*Disney and lucasfilms sequel trilogy* Fans: This sucks we need George back *George Lucas's sequel ideas* Fans: This sounded so stupid I'm glad he didn't come back. Star wars fan logic.
I'd rather roll the dice on something new, than what we got. People get bent out of shape because the PT isn't like the OT. George never wanted it to be the same. He wanted it to be different. OK, some of it doesn't work. He should have had someone work more on the dialogue, given the actors more support, and it should have been edited tighter. Even so he pioneered a lot of ideas. And a lot of CG in the ST that people love is down to what ILM were doing then.
Those are probably different people. I'm glad Lucas sold Star Wars because while he may have had a lot of great general ideas for Star Wars, he also had a lot of really, really bad ideas. It's obvious when you look at most of the OT and the Prequels that what really made the OT great were the contributions made by the non-George Lucas people working on Star Wars and that the more control he had, the more poor choices were included in the films.
Batman's Left Nostril Yes George Lucas version in a nutshell here's my joke In this timeline: "Star Wars Episode VII: Honey, I destroyed the Skywalkers"
This link shows the end of the interview that Greedo conveniently didn't include. www.reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/comments/8qwz15/expanded_interview_with_george_lucas_and_james/ Lucas: "But I never got to finish. I never got to tell people about it." *Greedo says closed quote at this point. Cameron: "It's a creation myth and you can't build a world without a creation myth. Every religion, every mythology has a creation myth." Lucas: "If I'd held onto the company I could have done it, and then it would have been done. Of course a lot of the fans would have hated it, just like they did phantom menace, and everything but at least the whole story from beginning to end would have been told." Sounds like a man who is philosophical (maybe a little bitter too)
Qui-Gon: Seatbelts, everyone! Luke: Please let this be a normal field trip. Obi-Wan: With Master Qui-Gon... Everyone: No way! Luke: Aww. Cruising on down Coruscant Just relaxing with the Force Next thing that you know you’re seein Qui-Gon: Waaahooo! Midichlorians in the Neighborhood? Surfing down a X-Wing Swingin’ through the Stars Take a left at Jedha City Take your second right past Hoth On the Magic Force Bus Navigate the Kessel On the Magic Force Bus Spank Jar Jar, too Anakin: Take That! On the Magic Force Bus Raft a river of Whills On the Magic Force Bus Such a fine thing to do! Everyone: Whoa! So strap your lightsaber to your belt Come on in and don’t be shy Just to make your training complete, You might become a Jedi! On the Magic Force Bus Step inside it’s a wilder ride! Come on! Ride on the Magic Force Bus.
I never understood why all these kinds of "it was all predetermined" stories think themselves as smart, creative or interesting. This is the easiest way of storytelling. The prequels are by default (because they are "prequels") retroactive worldbuilding, and have nothing to do why the original trilogy was loved in the first place. I read many people "the prequels are garbage, but i would complain about every thing that doesn't look like the prequels".
The Whills have been referenced in Star Wars for a long time. It's not exactly new. In the first Draft of A New Hope, the Force was referred to as the Whills. Of course its evolved over time and has had different meanings in different drafts and stories including this one.
I am pretty sure Lucas was influenced by Scientology! Hubbard called his story a space Opera and so did George. Volcanoes had a big part in Scientology which we saw in Ep.3. A lot of Mormonism in Star Wars, probably a mix of a lot of religions????
@@Sups614 space opera is term used to reference a lot of things so it’s not exactly unique to Star Wars and Scientology. But like an earlier commented said, the founder of Scientology was a huge sci fi fan, and was around Lucas’s generation age. Also Star Wars does have a lot of inspiration from many religions.
Maybe so, but many of his ideas WERE incorporated into the ST -female protagonist teenage scavenger, Kira, became Rey -cocky teenage guy, Sam, became Finn -Luke exiled on an island (with a Jedi temple) and failed academy -underwater death star scavenging Of course Disney didn't want the protagonists to be teenagers because of all the hate children got in the PT. There was also said to be Jedi hunters and the return of Anakin. The original idea for 7 was that Kira went scavenging in the old underwater DS, with the Falcon also going underwater, and finding the Emperor's list of Jedi, which took her to Luke on his island. Sounds fun to me.
I said it before and I'll say it again. No matter who makes Star Wars whatever if it's George, JJ, Rian, Kathleen, a random Star Wars fan who grew up with it since the 70s, someone is going to nitpick it anyways.
and it’s 100% realistic talented filmmakers can make great Star Wars movies - I refuse to believe that George was As heavily involved in the scripts or hands on producing as alluded to - don’t get me wrong it was his vision but what the new talent did with ESB and to a lesser aspect RotJ which u can see Lucas implempted ideas like the Ewoks that were cringey at times And one thing people don’t understand is it was in Lucas / Ardnt that Starkiller was in fact their idea - one thing ppl complain about was the big 3 didn’t get a scene together but it simply wouldn’t have made sense - it would have been shoehorned in for the sake of it. It’s supposed to be sad they had a sorts of falling out without ever losing their love for each other and I don’t think it was a mistake at all - much like ANH we were dropped into TFA in the middle of the story and just as the first important story beat takes place is when we are dropped in - much like ANH and i wish films with tons of exposition to learn from this and how it lends to the pacing of the movie (TFA is so re-watchable because of the momentum, movement of story and characters it’s so well balance and according to M. Arndt he could not figure out how to bring Luke into the story at his age. Let’s say he shows up in act 2 as we are all following our new big 3 of ben, Rey, and Finn and he was finding out that no matter when he brought Luke into the story it brought it to a screeching halt of exposition info dump thakes away big time from the new cast to shine. George Lucas said for many sit downs or quotes their Script wasn’t good enough. So did Arndt
S Js perfectly said! I remember before the force awakens came out and I was trying to I imagine what would happen in the film. Everything I though of just seemed like it would be bad fan fiction, I couldn’t think of a way how they could bring back the original cast without it feeling like that. Then when I finally sat down to see it, I was satisfied. It didn’t feel like fan fiction at all. Just felt like the logical next step. There is no point in having the original three together again if the story doesn’t call for it. People complain about fan service, but that would be just that! I love the force awakens and the last jedi. Are they flawed? Of course but I don’t mind!
@@joshhunt4146 Sane here. I thought that episode 7-9 would be bad fan-fiction. But the good thing is it wasn't and the sequel trilogy renewed my love for Star Wars just the same way Kingdom of the Crystal Skull did for Indiana Jones. My only problem is I can't pick one favourite Star Wars movie because they're so many of them I like them all.
Darin Staley I like kingdom of the crystal skull aswell haha is it ridiculous? Of course but so are all the Indy films. I think if they hadn’t used so much cgi it would be just as good as the other three. Because of that reason I put it just below but it’s still a 4/5. Probably on par with temple of doom actually. My favourite will always be Empire but Empire is literally my favourite film of all time. But I can’t wait to see how episode 9 will close the saga. I just feel bad for the people who love to complain about them. The people who go in wanting to hate the film because they are missing out on so much.
@@sjs9869 Could it be that Disney intentionally avoided exposition so there were no comparisons with the PT? Is that why people said, "Where did the FO come from?" and "How does the republic work now?" They got blown up, but who cares because we didn't know who they were. In my opinion, you put the original three and Lando and Chewie and whoever else stick them in the Falcon, get it OUT OF THE WAY, and move on. Give the new cast (who are copies of the old characters anyway) the rest of the trilogy to make their own. Yeah, you got shoe horn it in. Who cares? They shoe horned in the Maz cantina scene because they wanted it. Of course it's "fan service" everybody knows that. TFA is full of fan service anyway. Kill off Han. Job done. By keeping Luke secret for fear of him overshadowing the new characters, it just built up expectation. Better yet start the story with Luke and Kylo and how the Jedi order went wrong, rather than a brief moment of flashback. That sounds way more interesting than Starkiller or Canto bight (regardless of who thought of it or wanted it). As for the ewoks, I heard it was meant to be Wookies but they couldn't afford the money for costumes. You're complaining about everything George did and then complaining that some fans complain about what you like about the ST. But it seems like you're implying you are right and they're wrong. Which is exactly what they do. The fundamental problem is they wanted the OT characters for the ticket sales, but wanted fans to love the new cast. I completely sympathise with them. But they can't have it both ways, and then shout at fans who didn't like what they got. I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong, but shouldn't they have seen all this coming?
I have seen other videos about this topic and the comments were all like "Still better than The Last Jedi / Disney Star Wars". It's interesting how this comment section is so completely different.
@@deadshot5007 It is possible to dislike things about the ST without being troll. The irony is fans of the ST often hate on GL and the PT, but can't accept the idea that some fans don't want a recycling of the OT. Lucas' point is that fans just want the same old thing.
@@Ruylopez778 Oh I don't hate people who like other stuff at all but most people who say that the reason the sequels suck is because of "SJW politics" which is just bs and I often find people who say on videos that the sequels suck without any valid reason trolling or being stupid
@@moist_captain The quote, even in this video, was that he never got to finish or tell anyone. What was stopping him from telling anyone other than him just not bothering to do it?
goldfishprime Why would he want to start another trilogy right after finishing the prequels? There were many other projects too. Did he not sell Lucasfilm partly because the company would have had to fire some people soon because of financial stuff?
@@rastarapha I believe it's probably because he finally came to realize that he was no longer the right person to helm this ship. If he hadn't sold it, it's possible we would "never" have seen anything new Star Wars-wise, aside from maybe some one offs or more cartoons. Or he just wanted a few more barrels of money. Who can say.
@@JohnPatrickAlexander for the money m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_2067145?guccounter=1&guce_referrer_us=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_cs=HmrOUpmn_7i5x1xmmt5q1A
@@JohnPatrickAlexander To safeguard the future of all the employees of the company he set up, for whom he felt a responsibility to. He only needed the film/toy/merch money to set up ILM and be free from the studio system. He's clearly not a man motivated by money
These ideas in movie form would have been a SUPER hard sell regardless of what the Prequel mega fans say (I mean no hate). I personally dig keeping the Force as a bit of a mystery especially for the sequel trilogy.
@@zbrown02 Everything. Just think back to what the story told. On the surface, it's the story of the exile and the new Jedi, but if you look deep enough, it's the tale of Kreia and her hatred for the force, for controlling everyone. She wanted freedom from it, and tried to destroy it, but failed. Just think, this is basically the template for how to write George's sequels successfully.
Mar Speedsman not really. KOTOR 1 and 2 are video games in the Star Wars universe full of choices back when the sith were powerful and in huge numbers George’s sequels would have included some bullshit story about how every choice in the saga wasn’t really a choice at all but coordinated by the whills. Whom basically control the midichlorians which would make the whills literally the force which is beyond dumb since the force shouldn’t be literal beings with a literal will. And it would’ve solidified the idea that the midichlorians give people the force. Hence taking away the spiritual aspects
George had a great original idea with the creation of Star Wars, but he needed lots of talented people around him to shape those ideas into something interesting for the masses. George as an auteur is a disaster. He's just not that type of filmmaker. He's at his best as a producer and at his worst as a writer.
Seb P I love the prequels bc I grew up on em, but I hate when people say originality equals a better movie. There is so much wrong with the prequels that it’s laughable to call them better movies than the sequels. Seriously, TLJ is worse than The Phantom Menace??? People who think its objectively worse blow my freakin mind
George can create concepts and worlds, same as Stan Lee did for Marvel. But Stan Lee left the film to filmmakers, George needed that for the prequels...
Raphael okay fine that’s a good point. But honestly the characters are more important. I just got out of Avengers Endgame last night and damn are there some plot holes. But hfs the character work and emotional weight is incredible. I loved the movie and am seeing it again tomorrow. It isn’t ALL about the characters, very true, but Lucas cared way too much about plot, and it shows.
He sold it to protect the future of the staff of his company, and guarantee their jobs. He didn't want to get involved with the ST when they told him they wanted to reboot and copy the OT. He didn't bother going ahead with the ST because of all the hate he got from the PT
And in many of those years he claimed that he had no plan for a sequel trilogy. After ROTS came out he claimed for years that he would not do another trilogy. When he started to write a Treatment for the Sequels and hired michael arndt to do the Scripts, he was allready planning on selling the company. Everyone who defends him forgets about that part. So yes he had forty years and he never did anything and after the Prequels he claimed he did not want to do anything more. So yes it is his own fault, no matter how you spin it.
@@maxkehm5080 I don't really see what your point is. This video sets out to say that George's ideas for the ST are horrible and that George is bitter that he didn't make the movies. It's rather biased don't you think? No real mention of WHY he sold the company, or how a load of fanboys cried their childhood was ruined? Not surprised he didn't really want to make them. Also, he maybe felt, at his age, that he just couldn't be bothered with all the BS that comes with distribution and promotion. I've heard him say he enjoys making movies for himself and friends. But he handed over his ideas in good faith, that his employee's futures would be safe and "his story" would get completed. What I infer from the interviews I've seen of him is that, he made the stories he wanted to, didn't like the criticism, and wasn't interested in compromising. I guess when he put his whole career basically into the SW franchise, he might have the right to feel people are a bit ungrateful, considering he's a human being with emotions. This video takes the idea of mythology out of context, as though his ideas were way out there, and therefore Disney saved SW from the guy who created the IP in the first place. So yeah, Greedo "spun it the way he wanted". He implied George is bitter, without saying why, and nearly everyone in the comments agrees. I don't claim he's perfect or a great writer. he doesn't either, he hates writing. Shame he gets misrepresented like this to prove a point, by a guy whose channel is largely based on the ideas of George. See the irony?
@@Ruylopez778 I agree with you, but this is not what I was talking about or how I understood greedos point. The point is that George claimed that he never got the chance to do it. But he had the chance, he just chose to not use it. And yes he had many good reasons for that, but it is still a fact that he could have done those movies, but decided not to make them. he himself declared the saga to be finished after ROTS so it was his decision. It´s not like he never got the chance.
When George speaks in absolutes such as "I had a plan" he means I had a bunch of ideas in my head or possibly in a notebook and I change my mind regularly and the "new plan" would become "the plan". Retconning is a thing for George. It isn't even all that unusual for him to retcon something from one movie to the next but then say it was always "the plan".
@@GladDori Luke's EU Jedi Order must be the true canon, because it's impossible that you have to break the character of Luke Skywalker by making him a hermit without context to force new characters into the story. The only things that Disney did right are The Clone Wars series, Rebels, Rogue One, comics and novels, The Mandalorian. Star Wars has hope to actually be good for TV series, they screwed it up by starting a new trilogy with JJ Abrams who also ruined Star Trek.
I heard about this in the news about a year ago. I thought it was so stupid but i didnt believe it. I thought it was just one of those silly things people put out. I still have massive respect for George because he created a franchise that i love (even the prequels). Yes i may not agree with all the decisions he made but i accepted it and moved on. I didnt hate on the stuff he did, i never went on the internet to complain my whole life, i simply moved on.
He didn't want to actually go into a subatomic level. He was just gonna explore the notion of microbes controlling you, while on an actual adventure. Think KotOR II, but with more midichlorians.
As much as I admire George, he's trying to fix what isn't broken. Each trilogy he does this with completely different directions but this is waaaaay to far out of the realm of what star wars represents
He was never interested in the tiny details people geeked out over. It was only there to make the world believable. He had a nine movie story in his head. He didn't care if people wanted the OT over and over again
@@sam.e.a6422 You have a fundamentally different idea of what SW is from George. You sound like you want everything to be the same as the OT. Sounds exactly like the kind of fan who hated on the PT. "George doesn't listen to the fans!" "Rian tells the story he wants, not what the fans want. That's so exciting!" People on this channel complain about "haters and their head canon" and you are doing exactly the same. You're also basing what he would do on an extract of an interview about mythology
Lol your telling the creator what is and isnt right for HIS owm creation? Do you not see how fucked that is? Also prequels being surface level is ridiculous theres a shit ton of detail to those movies
@@anomalyinc3239 you see. You're actually wrong. A good example is the book farenheit 451, that book across the bord is seen as having the theme that state sponsored censorship is bad, but ray Bradbury never intended for that to be the message, his message was originally that TV would ruin society and when he went to a college to discuss the themes of his own book they told him he was wrong. And now the books meaning has changed due to how the impact of the book had on the mass public. It's classic intent vs impact and to while the prequels are somewhat detailed they also contradict established canon and are very poorly executed because the main reason people like the movie now is because of one of two things. The first being serious nostalgia goggles and the second reason being that people enjoy how awful the writing is, just look at the nigh infinite number of memes about it.
That ending, thank you! I get so annoyed when people act as though George Lucas has been backstabbed and betrayed and stolen from. He sold the company and took a big fat cheque, and honestly who can blame him! I think: A.) It’s not as though he was a passive force in the whole affair. B.) He’s doing just fine.
Oh also, I feel like his ideas might be better as a book. It just seems like it’d be a lot of exposition that would honestly just be better on the page than on the screen.
OK, sure. 1. If there weren't so many people being dickheads about the PT maybe he would have kept going with his ST, which everyone would have hated again. But he pioneered a lot of technology. He didn't want to repeat himself. I'm not saying the PT doesn't have horrible dialogue and exposition. Of course it does. 2. He sold the company he created to protect the jobs of his staff
Raphael oh wow, that’s really cool! I wasn’t saying he was a bad person to sell it, or that I imagined he would be greedy, just that it’s not as though he’s been done quite as dirty as everyone seems to make out. But that’s amazing that he donated the whole lot - awesome guy
This link shows the end of the interview that Greedo conveniently didn't include. www.reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/comments/8qwz15/expanded_interview_with_george_lucas_and_james/ Lucas: "But I never got to finish. I never got to tell people about it." *Greedo says closed quote at this point. Cameron: "It's a creation myth and you can't build a world without a creation myth. Every religion, every mythology has a creation myth." Lucas: "If I'd held onto the company I could have done it, and then it would have been done. Of course a lot of the fans would have hated it, just like they did phantom menace, and everything but at least the whole story from beginning to end would have been told." Sounds like a man who is philosophical (maybe a little bitter too)
The concept itself isn't that bad at all. From an analytical point of view, it could very well fit into a book series, mainly because the argument it settles probably works better as a reading experience, as a personal lecture. Of course this is borderline religious, but that's what he was aiming for in the first place. My main issue with all of this lays on the fact that all the fun, all the character development, all the interesting concepts behind balance and world building he and his predecessors constructed would be almost obliterated as they were not part of someone's decisions, mistakes and thoughts. They were made by “someone above.” That kills the whole saga to me. I understand that there are people liking this concept better than the current sequel trilogy by mere hate towards Disney and what they made, but honestly I don't see them working not only as a movie, but as a sequel to such enduring story. It makes no sense to me.
The concept as some beings taking control of every event of the saga isn't that of the one seen in the three brothers arc of Clone Wars. That was more of a divine characterization that represented the force, not what's behind the concept itself. Aside from that, those were episodes of a series that you can stablish and develop in longer stories. Series work better with the whole explanation thing. Movies need to be precise, exciting, consistent. When you over explain and try to get all your ideas condensed in a 120~150 minutes they get boring and tedious. A cinematic experience turns into a documentary of some sort. The whole idea of the force was crafted as mystery on the first movie, without it being the central point. In the second it became tangible, you actually knew what it was capable of. By the time of the third one it showed what it consists of, why it's important from the very beginning. Then came TPM, which stated what it was “made of.” The rest of the films went around the force surrounding Anakin and why he was the materialisation of it. Episode VII was a copy of what's seen in IV, and VIII further explored and challenged what was established. As you see, it took a long way to see what the force was, and even then the deep understanding of it came from the expanded universe, not the movies itself.
Except that is actually reality on SW the Force ultimately has the final say nothing any of the characters does means nothing, because the Force intervenes at precise moments for "balance" if one can call it that when after the OT we have the sequel trilogy, I honestly just view the Force as Lovecraftian, it could give two shits about living beings, it just wants to feed off the living force and make sure it can reset the galactic board every time one side gets out of hand, why? I don't know, but balance from what I witnessed doesn't seem to be in the cards.
With all due respect to George Lucas because I admire him a lot as a filmmaker, I don't really like the sound of this microbiotic thing. I prefer my vision of the Force to remain as a spiritual and religious power rather than a pure phenomena of science within a universe. Mostly because having a power like this being so attached to science creates too many rules and restrictions as too what it could do, while having it as a spiritual power allows WAY more freedom in storytelling to do great and gigantic things without having to worry about scientific explanation as, in many real world religions and in fiction, spiritual power is a part of the story and doesn't require a scientific explanation as to why certain things happen.
Yup. Thank goodness for the influence of Gary Kurtz. He saved Star Wars from Lucas, IMO. It's a shame he couldn't have helped out with the prequels, too. They badly needed his input.
@Rough Collies Rock The Light Side is the true nature of the Force and, by extension, all life in the universe. The Dark Side is the Force broken and corrupted to serve a single strong-willed individual.
Ironic that the Whills, midichlorians and Kyber Krystals have their origins in unfinished or unused scripts for A New Hope. The fanbase never changes...
I think I like this idea. In original trilogy, you learn how to change things by ascending. In prequels, you learn that power can also lead you on the bad way. But the idea of whills controlling the Force is cool cause it would tell that : Sith seek to be gods and they will never succeed, because of the Whills ; whereas Jedis are trying to understand, not control anything and respect the will of the Whills. It's already said in Ep3 when Palpatine says that Plagueis could control midi-chlorians and that's a Sith stuff. When Cameron says : "you were creating religion", I see his point. But look at it that way : what's the ecology if not living with the Nature and understanding it rather than controlling it ? What's kindness if not trying to understand ppl around us instead of using them ? It would have brought the idea of the Force beyond that religion or nazism : it could have gone with transhumanism and mad scientists. About the time he had. He took so much time to do the prequels... I think he had a busy life with all those contracts to make SW toys, SW cons, SW rides, etc... Maybe he also wanted to wait for the idea to shape itself and it may take a long time. On top of that, ppl hated the prequels around 2008-2010 ; it must be hard to announce you're getting back on the saddle at the exact same time that ppl are shitting on your hardest work so far... Yet, I think he could write that story as a novel. Maybe changing names and stuff to avoid copyright issues and still tell us that story cause I'm curious what he has in mind.
I actually thought Luke's first lesson to Rey was the first time in the films where we did get more of a concrete answer about what the Force actually is, or at least a better sense of its role in the universe, and in a way that retained its spiritual mystery rather than... whatever the hell this would've been.
It's always interesting to see stuff like this. We all know George at this point: a man with a shit ton of good ideas inside his mind, but when he doesn't have a filter, you have the Prequels, and this. When he does have a filter The Clone Wars happens.
So that's how you lot see the Clone Wars. OGL doesn't need filters at most he needs OGL to the masses adepter. As for the PT look at Star Wars without OGL, around star and uninspired.
In my opinion is like when DC heads thought that people didn't like their movies just because they were too dark and serious. Yes some people complained about michlorians, but that is not a real problem. And the only use for Midichlorian is exposition: instead of showing how someone is strong with the force, they told it ("oh his Midichlorian levels are so high, he must be the Legendary super Saiyan the profecy told us about").
It basically brought Dragon Ball power levels into Star Wars and explained things that didn't really need to be explained and became less cool after they were explained. Adding a level of spiritualism and mystique to what is mostly a gritty, dirty space setting full of bounty hunters and scrappers is cool and (fairly) unique. Over-explaining that the spiritualism is basically microbial science in a way that is completely disconnected from the way our characters interact with the world around them is disappointing, imo.
People here like: "oh fans hate on the ST because it's not what they think SW should be." Also fans here: "That's not MY vision of what the force is. George is crazy."
@@kaleb749 A lot of fans wanted the PT to be just like the OT. Hence the backlash. Comments on this video say things like, "George doesn't know what made SW special". How my opinion relates to your original comment is open to your own interpretation of my opinion, I suppose.
DenzoGamin Personally, I don't really want another Star Wars movie. I want something original that's not Star Wars or goddamn super Heros. I loved endgame but I think that story should remain concluded and fewer releases from marvel every year.
@Da Denz Yes I would still prefer his trilogy. Not matter how good it may have turned out, star wars is still his story to tell and I don't think anyone else should have been the one to finish his story.
With the right talent helping him, it could have been really interesting. Really, I interpreted what he said here that after the Empire is dealt with and the galaxy is no longer at stake we can take a moment to breathe and figure out the cosmic implications of the Jedi vs Sith conflict. Maybe even, going forward, figure out a way to prevent having war after war that have cost billions if not trillions of lives since the light and dark siders started fighting each other
And people say Disney ruined Star Wars... Aw fuck it. They would’ve still burned George at the cross for this. No one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fanboys
Or to paraphrase Rush lyrics: You can choose from Phantom Menace fears // And kindness that can kill // I will choose a path that's clear // I will choose free Whill?
This concept would be amazing if it were used as the big twist in a ‘Star Wars’ LEGO Movie Parody, and the Whills would be in the shape of George Lucas himself with the Force being that of the fandom that wants what they can’t control.
They still think that TLJ was trying to tell us to let the past die, even though the only two people who felt that way were proven wrong by the end. Star Wars fans are idiots.
Disney SW Solo: Han can't think of ANY name to say to convince recruiter. Recruiter: "Han..... Solo." And then he kept that name his entire life. Great writing. Very creative.
So... that's certainly intriguing for sure. It may have been cool, however I'm kind of happy with TFA & TLJ and there ideas they have put forward. However if George had people working with him. Holding him back from going overboard like he did. We may have got something very cool from this.
But this doesn't seem something original in any way. And in a storytelling perspective, making a trilogy about how everything is predetermined by god (or the whills), means useless waste of time. Unless the trilogy is like a Silmarillion, but we already had the prequels that already did this.
This makes a lot of sense considering the fact that Dune was a huge inspiration for Star Wars. The themes are very similar in this regard, especially exploring ideas of Transhumanisn and Metaphysics. The idea of the Whills by the way was also something of that came out of the Original draft of Star Wars and they were going to big role within the story.
I do like the concept of immortal beings observing the galaxy and archiving the story. The Watchers are a thing in the Marvel Comics universe, perhaps The Whills would've been the same way.
For all the people shooting down George Lucas over this, all I have to say is that none of you actually understand what George is talking about. Go watch The Clone Wars, the final arc of Season 6 has Yoda communicating with the Force Priestesses, and through them he learns about the living and the cosmic Force, the Midichlorians, and is sent to various Force Sensitive locations, from Dagobah to Moraband. He has force visions, and even comes into contact with a remnant of Darth Bane. THIS is what George wanted, he wanted to get deep into the mystical enlightenment of the Force, where our characters are vessels in a much larger story and world, where we can get more fantastical stories and larger-than-life worlds and lessons to be learned. When he says he wanted to get deeper into the micro-biotic world of Star Wars, he did not literally mean we'd be studying Midichlorians in blood cells, nor did he mean characters were going to be shrunk down like ants. He wanted to take the concepts of the Force to the next level and show that the humans and aliens of the Galaxy aren't the owners of the force, they're vessels playing out stories and the wills of those beyond their comprehension. Almost like Greek Mythology and the Gods of Olympus. I for one think it had leagues more creativity, ingenuity and potential than the OT rehash and deconstruction that is the Sequel Trilogy.
@@Shapes_Quality_Control It wouldn't be for everyone but there are a lot of people who would have liked it. I'm not arguing about the quality of the potential stories that could have been told, I am simply arguing that people are judging the idea based on misconceptions. George had a vision and an idea and a story to tell, and the seed he planted for this story in The Clone Wars suggest that we could have got some very interesting and exciting stuff. People are mistakenly reading into this and imagining the ST was just going to be a 3-movie-long extension of the Midichlorian explanation scene, but that just isn't the case. We know that George, at its core, wanted the story to focus on Luke and his new apprentice as they figure this stuff out and most likely embark on a new adventure against a new threat. This lore would have just been expanding the mythos in which the story and characters are set.
cAnon Again your justification is “nerds like exposition heavy Deep Lore”. It’s not deep and it’s not clever. There is beauty in simplicity. This is why films like Halloween are works of art where Star Wars is just another popcorn flick. You can couch it in all the flowery language you want but it’s not any more profound.
I agree with @cAnon it is very obvious from Lucas words that the focus would be the Whills or whatever he would call them in the end, acting like some sort of gods through the use of the Force. And maybe an epic or tragic (or both) struggle seeking ultimate freedom from this. Or a better understanding of it. And whatever you say, the mentioned final arc of Clone Wars is pure beauty and many people liked it. Funny thing, some authors that do get how SW rules work and take that to the limit, actually reached similar conclusions... only not daring to personify the Force (but got very close). That s how we have KotOR II for example, where Kreia is basically seeking to destroy it, or to convince his last apprentice to become free of it. Of its tyranny. Knowing these bits of Lucas view, KotOR II interpretation is even more valid now. Sorry to say, but current Disney SW is what many fans deserve. Nothing different to "classic" good old OT (without Ewoks or course) is valid for you guys. Disney thought this as well and that is why out of 4 released movies 3 of them are based on nostalgia mostly. "Ironically", you did not like that very much either. The way many of you portray Lucas as a guy devoid of any talent and creativity that just got lucky is absurd. It s almost the other way around. You discourage creativity and promote fan service SW. How were we surprised with TFA completely rehashing OT then? With some luck Dave Filoni will be allowed to create interesting things.
It's strange that George would say the Whills "control the universe." That seems to contradict what Obi-Wan told Luke: that while the Force partially controls your actions, it also obeys your commands.
You don't know if he meant that literally or simply used a the word "controls" without thinking about what he was saying, so he meant a different word, such as "influence" or "guide". The point is, Lucas's idea for the Sequel Trilogy is far more respectable than what Disney did.
Somebody believes Lucas when he says everything was preconceived? Even if it is true, this has nothing to do with why i like the original trilogy. Maybe the secret is to have a Nice team around you.
Wow, that makes the weird shit from Rise of Skywalker look tame. I think that somehow would've been even more controversial than the sequel trilogy we got.
I’d love to live in an alternate time line and watch all the folks who cry Disney ruined Star Wars go on about how he made terrible sequels and should sell to someone like Disney
@@TheJmack90 That's George's whole argument. People don't want anything new. They want the same thing. When he came out with the original movie it wasn't the same old thing. I mean, assuming you liked ANH, maybe you didn't, I don't know.
RuyLopezQB6 I didn’t say I don’t want something new. I’m saying I vehemently dislike shit. And if the situation presented itself to pick something slightly new yet VERY entertaining over something innovative but lame af, I’m going to pick the former. I don’t care about innovation for innovation’s sake. I don’t give someone props simply by doing something different, you have to make it worth my time. I’m a strong advocate for Star Wars treading new ground and different stories. Even if that means leaving old characters behind. I know people love George, I love the man too. But George bullshits A LOT. “I wasn’t given the chance to tell my story”...George, yes you did...6 times!!! 3 of those times you had TOTAL CONTROL over your movies and you still struck out. The people who call for George’s return and shit on Disney for not giving the fans “what they want” REALLY don’t understand George. George was ten times worse. He was NOT CLOSE to engaging with his audience at all when it came to anything that had to do with the prequels or him tampering with the original trilogy. People checked out of Star Wars then, just as much as they do now. Entertaining and engaging with the audience that made you successful is most important.
@@TheJmack90 OK, but that's based on a short interview about mythology. You know that his concept for the ST was Luke sets up a Jedi academy and fails, and two protagonists Sam and Kira became what we now know as Finn and Rey. And there were also ideas of going scavenging in the Death Star underwater for Jedi artifacts or whatever, Jedi hunters, and the return of Anakin. So you're taking the interview somewhat out of context, as Greedo is doing to laugh at him. He's not saying, "Poor me I never got to finish!" That's Greedo's perspective. He's saying I never got to finish it because everyone hated what I did with the PT, and people didn't want what I had in mind and I sold my company to protect the future of my staff. He gave them all his ideas, and they chucked it out to do a reboot. And I don't have anything against a reboot, but c'mon it was pretty cynical in every way. I'm not saying George is perfect. I think there's a middle ground. If we'd had Filoni and Favreau working on George's ideas, the way that TCW expanded on the force that COULD have been much more interesting than what we got now.
Interesting commentary! It’s especially telling that instead of addressing the problem of answering a question nobody was asking, Lucas sees the issue as not being able to provide a more complete, expounded answer to a question nobody was asking.
I like the idea of that there’s still a mystery to something, something we can use to concoct our own theories at, to have our own head cannon to what we think. It might just be me but I don’t think everything has to have some 16 page explanation to something of WHY it is what it is
Yep. Some things need to be explained, but some things are better off with the bare minimum of explanation. The force was at its best when all we knew about was that it was the force that binds the universe together. We didn't need to know how, or why. It was just space magic and that was okay.
Thank you for the last line, we have to be more objective and understand what happened, sadly Mr. Lucas was not well advised and he should have kept a large percentage of the IP, that way he would have doubled what he got from the sale and also kept a grasp on the creative direction of the story and management of the franchise as a whole. But we have to understand the direction of the franchise as it is now, and I accept that it would be good that Lucas could at least publish under the legends banner his interpretation of the final chapters of the saga as a way to have a closing.
At least you you he had something planned out at least. But here's another problem just cause it sounds bad doest mean it will be bad and vice versa. Example TLJ to me actually sounded good on paper but it played out terribly and its basically literally destroyed star wars and same with batman vs superman sounds good but it came out terrible. So end of the day just cause its sounds bad doesn't mean it will be bad
@@teddyisaliar271 It didn't literally destroy anything. Stop with the needless hyperbole. It's okay to just not like a movie every once in a while and then move on with your life.
@@h4724-q6j have you not seen the divide in the fan add? Sure it's okay not to like a movie once In a while but lets say your someone like me who did not enjoy or started not liking the force awakens and Then TLJ come ong and then only further makes you hate what the company is doing then your literally destroying a franchise. Cause if you haven't noticed star wars isn't just some whatever franchise star wars is a huge deal cause we have books, novels, games, dedicated theme parks, 2 days dedicated and not to mention the star wars celebration. So simple terms the needless hyperhole isn't needed cause its actually a thing and again if you don't like something your gonna want to get your word out their cause you don't want to see the same things happen again
@@mariobadia4553 hahahahahahaha oh so judgemental you aren't you did I say it ruined my childhood? I wasn't like those pathetic original trilogy fans who croed George lucas ruined my childhood cause the of the prequels I'm saying that Disney is ruining star wars mainly the sequels cause its just been a whole giant mess only good things they have done is the spin offs rogue was good and solo is underrated to me cause that film was absolutely much better then TLJ and you see people like you are why star wars fans get a bad rap cause your blind loyalty and lack of care of what people have to say and jumping to conclusions and name calling without at least giving a valid argument is pathetic
Love the shirt Greedo! "Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known" Attributed to Carl Sagan, astronomer, science communicator, promoted the search for extraterrestrial life. An amazing man!
I would love it if we get to see some of these ideas used in The Rise of Skywalker. Like if we get to follow Luke as he enters The Force and gets to see midiclorians and whills and even some of the other deceased Jedi like Obi-Wan and Yoda.
these ideas have been incorporated into the clone wars series, so there is no huge mistery about how a star wars movie like that would have been...it would just be a star wars movie with sword fights and spaceship battles, and misterious characetsr talking about oooohhhhh the whillsss the power of the whillsss oooohhh
If you read Schopenhauer’s The world as Will and representation, preferably after reading Kant’s theory of Transcendental Idealism, you’ll find that is where Lucas got the idea for The Whill and The Force.
Well, not to spoil everything, but we kind of dip into that with the Yoda arc of The Clone Wars, but still, I'm not on board with the idea of what George had in mind in this conversation.
I don't think the sequel trilogy is exploring this concept (I don't think it's exploring any concept, but I'm not here to talk about how crappy Disney is) The only Star Wars content I know that seems to explore this (other than the journal, and the CW episodes that introduce them) is KotOR II. The whole game is a plot by kreia to kill the force, because she thought it controlled everything, after all. They didn't speak of whills, or midichlorians, but the themes are all there. George Lucas's sequel trilogy would probably be a continuation of the story. So now that I think about it, maybe fans would've loved the GL sequels after all.
GL, we really don't need heavy exposition about the Whills or Midichlorians which turned us fans off PT. We need to keep the mystery out of sight and let the characters figure it out for themselves as part of the Hero's Journey.
Potentially it could have been great... if they had everyone who was a big conduit for the force (everyone with a force ghost) comeback to fight the Whills who would be evil it would be insanely epic way of wrapping everything up... the moral of the story is that it's better for things not to be balanced but to be in the favor of good for everyone...
I’d rather the Force be a mysterious, abstract thing, rather than having a set of masters. If the Whills were either higher level servants/guardians of the Force (above the Jedi), rather than its makers, or high level mysterious observers, that would be more acceptable. The notion of anybody being “above” the Force seems totally wrong.
People hating on the Sequels should really appreciate the fact that Disney bought Star Wars. Yes, you might not like the new movies, but holy sh*t George Lucas' plan for the franchise was awful. At least the new movies feel like Star Wars. Maybe you disagree with the way they've handled Luke or the fact that Snoke didn't turn out to be a new Emperor Palpatine-ish villain, but the new movies are still so much better than what George Lucas wanted to do.
I've watched that season, and I don't think differently, because what George Lucas described was not that. The Galaxy was at peace for 30 years. Where did you get the "remaining at war" from? And where did you get the "...grew larger than the Empire ever was" from? We've literally only seen the First Order having a presence in the Outer Rim. Oh, and you want to explore the inner layers of the Force, but when it gave us Rey and worked it's mysterious ways, you're complaining? And the 3 days-thing is again something you've made up. At no point are we told how long she's on Ahch-To. Just like we don't know for how long Luke trains with Yoda on Dagobah in TESB. Stop making stuff up to fit your narrative.
It may be an unpopular opinion with the fandom, but I find the prequels, for all their flaws, much more interesting than the disney reboot. I believe the fandom got what they deserved with the last jedi, a kind of cosmic karma.
The biggest problem with the reboot trilogy is they don't explain anything. Maybe the First Order conquered many planets, maybe none at all, maybe everyone is terrified of them or maybe no one cares at all. Maybe the Republic government opposes them, maybe not, maybe it doesn't even exist. If it does exist, it might be affiliated with the Resistance, but it might not be. The Jedis are probably gone but even that isn't totally clear.
@@handsomebrick Allot of the book,comics,video games released around the TFA cover it. But I'll save you time and money, here's the backstory... 18 months after Endor the New Republic and the Imperial Remnant have one final major engagement above Jakku. Which ends in victory for the New Republic, instead of hunting down the diminished Imperial Remnant. They sign a piece treaty and allow all remaining IR force to retreat to the unknown regions. The New Republic begins an almost immediate demilitarization, to show the Galaxy that peace had returned. Decades later the New Republic begins to see the signs of a major industrial build up by the Imperial Remnant now First Order...and the deiced to ignore them under the belief that the First Order would never break the tray and attack. Leia however will not be quite about the First Order, so she's eventually given literal hush money and use it to wage a private war against the First Order with a private militia that she calls the Resistance. Small scale clashes between the Resistance and the First Order happen, the New Republic denies all connection to the Resistance;which is a lie because they are still giving Leia hush money. Ben Solo goes berserk and destroys Luke's academy save for a small number of students that become the Knights of Ren.
This concept would be good for a story arc or spin off, as in something that happens in an obscure corner of the SW universe that adds a small possible topping to the SW universe, but doesn't replace or alter the canon or legends proper. Like don't make a trilogy about it, but make a few episode story arc and a reference in an anthology film about this particular take on the force, and have their be a Force sub religion about it, sort of like that guy from Rogue One. Then you can expand on this idea for an adventure romp in Star Wars in an isolated setting without knocking everything established off balance.
You're not the only one. I hope that one day some of these ideas are presented to us more fleshed out, in any format. Maybe notes from Lucas, sketches, perhaps a short series by Dave Filoni with George's guidance. At least they started with Mortis and Yoda's last episodes of Clone Wars.
Why do you assume that there WOULD be a character "turning to the camera and explaining" anything?!? Lucas has always handled exposition brilliantly and efficiently.
Except this involved something going too deep into science rather than the actual story. There's definitely a philosophical side in the ST, it's just that it didn't involve a microbiotic world. That said, I would like to see his version of the ST in a different trilogy after the episodic Skywalker Saga, to me his ideas just doesn't fit in here, but we'll see.
@@supreme_leader5135 We can't know from an interview how scientific it would have got. He said the whole saga is about families. That's the way he restructured it when he decided on "Dad Vader". The ST also shows that Rey can master the force quickly to be equal to the dark side which is fine if that's what they want to go with, whatever, but it's completely at odds with how the protagonist used to be told to be patient and train. So no wonder some fans are confused about Rey. This ST doesn't know what it wants to be. On the surface it is a cynical copy of the OT and under the surface it's inconsistent with what it was supposed to be about
@@Ruylopez778 I never got the whole training thing, Yoda simply says in ESB that the reason Luke fails is nothing to do with his lack of training, but his lack of faith. Rey was thought that the force is more than just lifting rocks and the deep philosophical part of it, in the end, she was able to lift rocks. But whatever, that's just my interpretation. I fully respect your opinion if you dislike the ST.
@@supreme_leader5135 Yoda tells Obi-Wan "he's too old to be the training." They specifically show young Jedi being trained in the PT. The whole PT is about Anakin craves power and can't control his emotions. It's a metaphor for having to work hard. I'm not saying they have to show Luke running around and jumping for 20 minutes, it's a montage. Vader says "Obi-Wan has taught you well." Both Luke and Anakin tread a fine line between going to dark side several times. Rey kind of downloads it like Matrix style. That's fine if it's the direction they want to go. Narratively I don't find it compelling when the hero learns things easily. I'm saying some fans are still trying to make Rey connected to someone or having been trained in the past and forgotten about it as an explanation to her power. So the story now clearly doesn't connect with everyone. And Rey hasn't failed or made bad decisions like Luke and Anakin did. On top of that she's already beaten Kylo in the first movie (and Snoke talks about she had no training - why mention it if it's not important?) and the second was a draw. And then by the end of the movie her powers were even stronger. So were are the stakes? The sad thing is that because Rey grew up on planet alone [which we didn't even she] and therefore people imagined she struggled, they seem certain she is well written character. I disagree.
When I first saw _The Phantom Menace_ and Qui Gon was explaining The Force™ and mentioned midi-chlorians, I LITERALLY yelled "NOOO!!!!" in the movie theater. To me, that immediately took the mystery out of it. From a mystical force to something you'd hear on an episode of Star Trek The Next Generation. I think if this had been the focus of the sequel trilogy, it would have fared even worse than the disastrous _The Last Jedi._
JustWasted3HoursHere the problem is George wanted a "quick and easy way" to explain why Anakin was so powerful, so he decided to "quantify" the force. It just didn't work. It's an ok idea, but not one that was (or maybe could be) told subtlety, unfortunately. That's why most didn't like it, and were vocal about it. It made it seem like you had to be special to have and use the Force, yet in the original film, it was something that resided in all living things. It was inspirational "go out, believe in yourself, and do it yourself." After the midichlorian thing, it seemed more like you have to have enough "Force points" to succeed. That's where it stumbled.
He's speaking to his audience. They say: "People hate on the ST because it's not what they wanted in their head canon" They also say: "Ugh this Whills idea is horrible! This is not MY vision of what the force is." They also say: "All the comments here are so positive."
Creative and interesting - yes, but it isn't for Star Wars, they aren't that type of movies. It would be better suited to it's own movie that has nothing to do with SW or the force. If he'd have done this, the franchise would be in a much worse state than anything Disney have done.
Yup. This comment section shows why he sold it. It's a vague concept laid out and all of you are hating with limited info. It sounds more interesting than the sequel trilogy
George Lucas of course had to sell the company because he was really depressed about the hate when the fans complained about the Medicloreins and The prequels.
*Disney and lucasfilms sequel trilogy*
Fans: This sucks we need George back
*George Lucas's sequel ideas*
Fans: This sounded so stupid I'm glad he didn't come back.
Star wars fan logic.
nvb99 1999 I’ve been saying it for years. The fans don’t know what they want other then they want to complain about something.
@@Shapes_Quality_Control lol exactly. It's sad what the fanbase has become.
I'd rather roll the dice on something new, than what we got.
People get bent out of shape because the PT isn't like the OT. George never wanted it to be the same. He wanted it to be different. OK, some of it doesn't work. He should have had someone work more on the dialogue, given the actors more support, and it should have been edited tighter. Even so he pioneered a lot of ideas. And a lot of CG in the ST that people love is down to what ILM were doing then.
Those are probably different people. I'm glad Lucas sold Star Wars because while he may have had a lot of great general ideas for Star Wars, he also had a lot of really, really bad ideas. It's obvious when you look at most of the OT and the Prequels that what really made the OT great were the contributions made by the non-George Lucas people working on Star Wars and that the more control he had, the more poor choices were included in the films.
RuyLopezQB6 hmm yes. What could possibly go wrong with micro biotic midgets!
yeah... All those people complaining about the sequels, that George Lucas should have made the films himself instead of selling his company....
In an alternate timeline:
"Star Wars Episode VII: Honey, I Shrunk the Skywalkers"
Genius
Batman's Left Nostril that is pretty funny 😂
Batman's Left Nostril
Yes George Lucas version in a nutshell here's my joke
In this timeline:
"Star Wars Episode VII:
Honey, I destroyed the
Skywalkers"
"Never got to finish?!"
How many times did he say there was *NEVER* going to be an Episode 7, and that the story was finished?!
For about 20 years.
You can excuse him for that after the negative feedback for the Prequels
This link shows the end of the interview that Greedo conveniently didn't include.
www.reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/comments/8qwz15/expanded_interview_with_george_lucas_and_james/
Lucas:
"But I never got to finish. I never got to tell people about it."
*Greedo says closed quote at this point.
Cameron:
"It's a creation myth and you can't build a world without a creation myth. Every religion, every mythology has a creation myth."
Lucas:
"If I'd held onto the company I could have done it, and then it would have been done. Of course a lot of the fans would have hated it, just like they did phantom menace, and everything but at least the whole story from beginning to end would have been told."
Sounds like a man who is philosophical (maybe a little bitter too)
@@mar_speedman and now. the prequels have a higher ranking compared with the disney SW movies.
@Buzzcraft Productions I don't think Disney will let him buy it
Sounds like he planned a Magic School Bus Star Wars episode
SmugStick
Star Wars fans: “Please let this be a normal trilogy!”
GL: “With midi-chlorians? NO WAY!!!”
OMG A NEW HOPE 2.0. Star Wars is Back!!!!!
And then The Last Jedi came and Solo failed at the Box Office...
Qui-Gon: Seatbelts, everyone!
Luke: Please let this be a normal field trip.
Obi-Wan: With Master Qui-Gon...
Everyone: No way!
Luke: Aww.
Cruising on down Coruscant
Just relaxing with the Force
Next thing that you know you’re seein
Qui-Gon: Waaahooo!
Midichlorians in the Neighborhood?
Surfing down a X-Wing
Swingin’ through the Stars
Take a left at Jedha City
Take your second right past Hoth
On the Magic Force Bus
Navigate the Kessel
On the Magic Force Bus
Spank Jar Jar, too
Anakin: Take That!
On the Magic Force Bus
Raft a river of Whills
On the Magic Force Bus
Such a fine thing to do!
Everyone: Whoa!
So strap your lightsaber to your belt
Come on in and don’t be shy
Just to make your training complete,
You might become a Jedi!
On the Magic Force Bus
Step inside it’s a wilder ride!
Come on!
Ride on the Magic Force Bus.
@@christianpaystrup4427 you know what to do Disney 😏
I'll take that over Rose Tico saving space horses.
So.... It was the Whill of the Force all along.
👏👏👏👏
I never understood why all these kinds of "it was all predetermined" stories think themselves as smart, creative or interesting. This is the easiest way of storytelling.
The prequels are by default (because they are "prequels") retroactive worldbuilding, and have nothing to do why the original trilogy was loved in the first place.
I read many people "the prequels are garbage, but i would complain about every thing that doesn't look like the prequels".
@@davidv4018 wut
The Whills? Midichlorians? We're vessels?
Why does this sound like Scientology?
The Whills have been referenced in Star Wars for a long time. It's not exactly new. In the first Draft of A New Hope, the Force was referred to as the Whills. Of course its evolved over time and has had different meanings in different drafts and stories including this one.
Exactly what I was thinking.
Remember when Star Wars was about saving the princess and killing baddies with a laser sword? I 'member.
I am pretty sure Lucas was influenced by Scientology! Hubbard called his story a space Opera and so did George. Volcanoes had a big part in Scientology which we saw in Ep.3. A lot of Mormonism in Star Wars, probably a mix of a lot of religions????
@@Sups614 space opera is term used to reference a lot of things so it’s not exactly unique to Star Wars and Scientology. But like an earlier commented said, the founder of Scientology was a huge sci fi fan, and was around Lucas’s generation age. Also Star Wars does have a lot of inspiration from many religions.
People would have hated this. I guarantee it. Sound like a completely different movie series altogether
I hate it already.
Maybe so, but many of his ideas WERE incorporated into the ST
-female protagonist teenage scavenger, Kira, became Rey
-cocky teenage guy, Sam, became Finn
-Luke exiled on an island (with a Jedi temple) and failed academy
-underwater death star scavenging
Of course Disney didn't want the protagonists to be teenagers because of all the hate children got in the PT.
There was also said to be Jedi hunters and the return of Anakin. The original idea for 7 was that Kira went scavenging in the old underwater DS, with the Falcon also going underwater, and finding the Emperor's list of Jedi, which took her to Luke on his island. Sounds fun to me.
I would have love it.
@@Ruylopez778 Finn? Cocky?? Are you sure? lol
I agree with you and George that most fans would've hated it, but personally, I'm interested. And with KotOR level writing, it could even work
I said it before and I'll say it again. No matter who makes Star Wars whatever if it's George, JJ, Rian, Kathleen, a random Star Wars fan who grew up with it since the 70s, someone is going to nitpick it anyways.
and it’s 100% realistic talented filmmakers can make great Star Wars movies - I refuse to believe that George was As heavily involved in the scripts or hands on producing as alluded to - don’t get me wrong it was his vision but what the new talent did with ESB and to a lesser aspect RotJ which u can see Lucas implempted ideas like the Ewoks that were cringey at times And one thing people don’t understand is it was in Lucas / Ardnt that Starkiller was in fact their idea - one thing ppl complain about was the big 3 didn’t get a scene together but it simply wouldn’t have made sense - it would have been shoehorned in for the sake of it. It’s supposed to be sad they had a sorts of falling out without ever losing their love for each other and I don’t think it was a mistake at all - much like ANH we were dropped into TFA in the middle of the story and just as the first important story beat takes place is when we are dropped in - much like ANH and i wish films with tons of exposition to learn from this and how it lends to the pacing of the movie (TFA is so re-watchable because of the momentum, movement of story and characters it’s so well balance and according to M. Arndt he could not figure out how to bring Luke into the story at his age. Let’s say he shows up in act 2 as we are all following our new big 3 of ben, Rey, and Finn and he was finding out that no matter when he brought Luke into the story it brought it to a screeching halt of exposition info dump thakes away big time from the new cast to shine. George Lucas said for many sit downs or quotes their
Script wasn’t good enough. So did Arndt
S Js perfectly said! I remember before the force awakens came out and I was trying to I imagine what would happen in the film. Everything I though of just seemed like it would be bad fan fiction, I couldn’t think of a way how they could bring back the original cast without it feeling like that. Then when I finally sat down to see it, I was satisfied. It didn’t feel like fan fiction at all. Just felt like the logical next step. There is no point in having the original three together again if the story doesn’t call for it. People complain about fan service, but that would be just that! I love the force awakens and the last jedi. Are they flawed? Of course but I don’t mind!
@@joshhunt4146 Sane here. I thought that episode 7-9 would be bad fan-fiction. But the good thing is it wasn't and the sequel trilogy renewed my love for Star Wars just the same way Kingdom of the Crystal Skull did for Indiana Jones. My only problem is I can't pick one favourite Star Wars movie because they're so many of them I like them all.
Darin Staley I like kingdom of the crystal skull aswell haha is it ridiculous? Of course but so are all the Indy films. I think if they hadn’t used so much cgi it would be just as good as the other three. Because of that reason I put it just below but it’s still a 4/5. Probably on par with temple of doom actually. My favourite will always be Empire but Empire is literally my favourite film of all time. But I can’t wait to see how episode 9 will close the saga. I just feel bad for the people who love to complain about them. The people who go in wanting to hate the film because they are missing out on so much.
@@sjs9869 Could it be that Disney intentionally avoided exposition so there were no comparisons with the PT? Is that why people said, "Where did the FO come from?" and "How does the republic work now?"
They got blown up, but who cares because we didn't know who they were.
In my opinion, you put the original three and Lando and Chewie and whoever else stick them in the Falcon, get it OUT OF THE WAY, and move on. Give the new cast (who are copies of the old characters anyway) the rest of the trilogy to make their own. Yeah, you got shoe horn it in. Who cares? They shoe horned in the Maz cantina scene because they wanted it. Of course it's "fan service" everybody knows that. TFA is full of fan service anyway. Kill off Han. Job done. By keeping Luke secret for fear of him overshadowing the new characters, it just built up expectation. Better yet start the story with Luke and Kylo and how the Jedi order went wrong, rather than a brief moment of flashback. That sounds way more interesting than Starkiller or Canto bight (regardless of who thought of it or wanted it).
As for the ewoks, I heard it was meant to be Wookies but they couldn't afford the money for costumes. You're complaining about everything George did and then complaining that some fans complain about what you like about the ST. But it seems like you're implying you are right and they're wrong. Which is exactly what they do.
The fundamental problem is they wanted the OT characters for the ticket sales, but wanted fans to love the new cast. I completely sympathise with them. But they can't have it both ways, and then shout at fans who didn't like what they got.
I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong, but shouldn't they have seen all this coming?
I have seen other videos about this topic and the comments were all like "Still better than The Last Jedi / Disney Star Wars". It's interesting how this comment section is so completely different.
This is why I like HelloGreedo's channel. Less negatively
Sounds like the typical trolls with no logic
Except JJ made a big deal about "talking" with George before he wrote IX (supposedly)
@@deadshot5007 It is possible to dislike things about the ST without being troll.
The irony is fans of the ST often hate on GL and the PT, but can't accept the idea that some fans don't want a recycling of the OT. Lucas' point is that fans just want the same old thing.
@@Ruylopez778 Oh I don't hate people who like other stuff at all but most people who say that the reason the sequels suck is because of "SJW politics" which is just bs and I often find people who say on videos that the sequels suck without any valid reason trolling or being stupid
He needed another 40 years to finish his draft.
What do you mean?
@@moist_captain George had all the time in the world to write down his ideas, but decided not to and then claims he didn't have time.
@@goldfishprime I don't think he ever claimed he didn't have time? Maybe money was the issue or he didn't complete the scripts obviously.
@@moist_captain The quote, even in this video, was that he never got to finish or tell anyone. What was stopping him from telling anyone other than him just not bothering to do it?
goldfishprime Why would he want to start another trilogy right after finishing the prequels? There were many other projects too. Did he not sell Lucasfilm partly because the company would have had to fire some people soon because of financial stuff?
5:10 - 5:22 YEEEP. Exactly. George Lucas, I love you, warts and all. But, my dude... c'mon.
The real question is "why he sold it"
@@rastarapha I believe it's probably because he finally came to realize that he was no longer the right person to helm this ship. If he hadn't sold it, it's possible we would "never" have seen anything new Star Wars-wise, aside from maybe some one offs or more cartoons.
Or he just wanted a few more barrels of money. Who can say.
@@JohnPatrickAlexander for the money m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_2067145?guccounter=1&guce_referrer_us=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_cs=HmrOUpmn_7i5x1xmmt5q1A
@@JohnPatrickAlexander To safeguard the future of all the employees of the company he set up, for whom he felt a responsibility to. He only needed the film/toy/merch money to set up ILM and be free from the studio system. He's clearly not a man motivated by money
Raphael you know he went bankrupt twice during the production of ANH but he still pressed on because he wanted to tell the story.
These ideas in movie form would have been a SUPER hard sell regardless of what the Prequel mega fans say (I mean no hate). I personally dig keeping the Force as a bit of a mystery especially for the sequel trilogy.
ShotgunDolphin yep. Midichlorians basically ruined the spiritual aspect of the force let’s not ruin it more.
No it would've been. It's practically already been told. And I bet you enjoyed the experience, too. Remember KotOR II?
Mar Speedsman what does KOTOR 2 have to do with anything.
@@zbrown02 Everything. Just think back to what the story told. On the surface, it's the story of the exile and the new Jedi, but if you look deep enough, it's the tale of Kreia and her hatred for the force, for controlling everyone. She wanted freedom from it, and tried to destroy it, but failed.
Just think, this is basically the template for how to write George's sequels successfully.
Mar Speedsman not really. KOTOR 1 and 2 are video games in the Star Wars universe full of choices back when the sith were powerful and in huge numbers
George’s sequels would have included some bullshit story about how every choice in the saga wasn’t really a choice at all but coordinated by the whills. Whom basically control the midichlorians which would make the whills literally the force which is beyond dumb since the force shouldn’t be literal beings with a literal will.
And it would’ve solidified the idea that the midichlorians give people the force. Hence taking away the spiritual aspects
This would have been a train wreck. People don’t like what Disney did, imagine if this was the direction it went
Kyle McGowen Yeah, the fan reaction would have been really bad.
George had a great original idea with the creation of Star Wars, but he needed lots of talented people around him to shape those ideas into something interesting for the masses. George as an auteur is a disaster. He's just not that type of filmmaker. He's at his best as a producer and at his worst as a writer.
Seb P I love the prequels bc I grew up on em, but I hate when people say originality equals a better movie. There is so much wrong with the prequels that it’s laughable to call them better movies than the sequels. Seriously, TLJ is worse than The Phantom Menace??? People who think its objectively worse blow my freakin mind
George can create concepts and worlds, same as Stan Lee did for Marvel.
But Stan Lee left the film to filmmakers, George needed that for the prequels...
Kyle McGowen but of course people would say they loved it
4:03... Did you just try to Jedi mind trick us?
He is the sith lord! Would also explain why he always wears a helmet. To hide the grey sith skin that would give away his dark secret :O
Mind tricks do not work on me, only fan service.
There were 66 likes before I liked
@@orangypteco8858 xD
He gets too lost in plot and exposition when it’s really all about the characters. Writing believable dialogue is where he really struggled
Nop, you think it's about the character, nuance
Raphael what?
@@DrMuffin1080 It's not all about the characters, YOU think it's all about the characters
Raphael okay fine that’s a good point. But honestly the characters are more important. I just got out of Avengers Endgame last night and damn are there some plot holes. But hfs the character work and emotional weight is incredible. I loved the movie and am seeing it again tomorrow. It isn’t ALL about the characters, very true, but Lucas cared way too much about plot, and it shows.
@@DrMuffin1080 I agree. On an unrelated note, how would you rate Endgame? Just curious as I'm seeing it tomorrow.
"Ya had forty years... and ya sold the company.." BOOM!
He sold it to protect the future of the staff of his company, and guarantee their jobs.
He didn't want to get involved with the ST when they told him they wanted to reboot and copy the OT. He didn't bother going ahead with the ST because of all the hate he got from the PT
Many of those years he was raising his adopted children many of those years he was harrassed by the internet
And in many of those years he claimed that he had no plan for a sequel trilogy. After ROTS came out he claimed for years that he would not do another trilogy. When he started to write a Treatment for the Sequels and hired michael arndt to do the Scripts, he was allready planning on selling the company. Everyone who defends him forgets about that part. So yes he had forty years and he never did anything and after the Prequels he claimed he did not want to do anything more. So yes it is his own fault, no matter how you spin it.
@@maxkehm5080 I don't really see what your point is. This video sets out to say that George's ideas for the ST are horrible and that George is bitter that he didn't make the movies. It's rather biased don't you think?
No real mention of WHY he sold the company, or how a load of fanboys cried their childhood was ruined?
Not surprised he didn't really want to make them. Also, he maybe felt, at his age, that he just couldn't be bothered with all the BS that comes with distribution and promotion. I've heard him say he enjoys making movies for himself and friends. But he handed over his ideas in good faith, that his employee's futures would be safe and "his story" would get completed. What I infer from the interviews I've seen of him is that, he made the stories he wanted to, didn't like the criticism, and wasn't interested in compromising. I guess when he put his whole career basically into the SW franchise, he might have the right to feel people are a bit ungrateful, considering he's a human being with emotions.
This video takes the idea of mythology out of context, as though his ideas were way out there, and therefore Disney saved SW from the guy who created the IP in the first place.
So yeah, Greedo "spun it the way he wanted". He implied George is bitter, without saying why, and nearly everyone in the comments agrees.
I don't claim he's perfect or a great writer. he doesn't either, he hates writing. Shame he gets misrepresented like this to prove a point, by a guy whose channel is largely based on the ideas of George.
See the irony?
@@Ruylopez778 I agree with you, but this is not what I was talking about or how I understood greedos point. The point is that George claimed that he never got the chance to do it. But he had the chance, he just chose to not use it. And yes he had many good reasons for that, but it is still a fact that he could have done those movies, but decided not to make them. he himself declared the saga to be finished after ROTS so it was his decision. It´s not like he never got the chance.
When George speaks in absolutes such as "I had a plan" he means I had a bunch of ideas in my head or possibly in a notebook and I change my mind regularly and the "new plan" would become "the plan". Retconning is a thing for George. It isn't even all that unusual for him to retcon something from one movie to the next but then say it was always "the plan".
Soooooo, basically Osmosis Jones, but Star Wars?
When obi wan is struck down... he actually just shrinks. And uses osmosis to enter vaders microbiome.
@@cousinharry2.0 xD
Lmao I pictured it more like the anime Mushishi but in Star Wars. Luke just traveling to the weirder places in the galaxy and learning about the Force
Gonna be honest, I hate the idea.
Some things don't need explaining, and this is one of those things.
I think it's for the better we never had a sequel about the whills
Will Smith and his son. Hmmmm...that reminds me of a film.
@@TheKaiTetley That was actually kind of funny.
Yes, because JJ Abrams the plagiarist or the master of reboots isn't any different...
May the Force be with this fandom.
@@saricubra2867 "plagiarist" ah so you don't understand themes and characters? Bet that you think that ant man and ironman are the same movie too
@@GladDori Luke's EU Jedi Order must be the true canon, because it's impossible that you have to break the character of Luke Skywalker by making him a hermit without context to force new characters into the story.
The only things that Disney did right are The Clone Wars series, Rebels, Rogue One, comics and novels, The Mandalorian.
Star Wars has hope to actually be good for TV series, they screwed it up by starting a new trilogy with JJ Abrams who also ruined Star Trek.
I heard about this in the news about a year ago. I thought it was so stupid but i didnt believe it. I thought it was just one of those silly things people put out. I still have massive respect for George because he created a franchise that i love (even the prequels). Yes i may not agree with all the decisions he made but i accepted it and moved on. I didnt hate on the stuff he did, i never went on the internet to complain my whole life, i simply moved on.
Soooooou George Lucas wanted to do an ant-man movie?
motor4X4kombat Sounds like it. Or the SciFi New Age
He didn't want to actually go into a subatomic level. He was just gonna explore the notion of microbes controlling you, while on an actual adventure.
Think KotOR II, but with more midichlorians.
@@mar_speedman i like kotor, but i hate midichlorians.. so no thanks
@@motor4X4kombat Pfft! Midichlorianophobic! :P
No, he wanted to tell a story that had subtext and themes instead of the SWINO shit we're getting now.
As much as I admire George, he's trying to fix what isn't broken. Each trilogy he does this with completely different directions but this is waaaaay to far out of the realm of what star wars represents
Yes, far be it for the person who actually created it to know what it represents.
He was never interested in the tiny details people geeked out over. It was only there to make the world believable. He had a nine movie story in his head. He didn't care if people wanted the OT over and over again
No it's not what the PT and OT had been, why not go weired?
@@Youcancallmeishmaell because that's just ridiculous. You're literally extracting any wonder the original story had
@@sam.e.a6422 You have a fundamentally different idea of what SW is from George. You sound like you want everything to be the same as the OT. Sounds exactly like the kind of fan who hated on the PT.
"George doesn't listen to the fans!"
"Rian tells the story he wants, not what the fans want. That's so exciting!"
People on this channel complain about "haters and their head canon" and you are doing exactly the same.
You're also basing what he would do on an extract of an interview about mythology
this sounds good, but not for Star Wars
Rorcknar I agree
@Buzzcraft Productions but he's not so great at executing his ideas. That's the problem
Lol your telling the creator what is and isnt right for HIS owm creation? Do you not see how fucked that is?
Also prequels being surface level is ridiculous theres a shit ton of detail to those movies
@Buzzcraft Productions If you honestly believe that. You've been sipping the G.L koolaid to much my friend
@@anomalyinc3239 you see. You're actually wrong. A good example is the book farenheit 451, that book across the bord is seen as having the theme that state sponsored censorship is bad, but ray Bradbury never intended for that to be the message, his message was originally that TV would ruin society and when he went to a college to discuss the themes of his own book they told him he was wrong. And now the books meaning has changed due to how the impact of the book had on the mass public. It's classic intent vs impact and to while the prequels are somewhat detailed they also contradict established canon and are very poorly executed because the main reason people like the movie now is because of one of two things. The first being serious nostalgia goggles and the second reason being that people enjoy how awful the writing is, just look at the nigh infinite number of memes about it.
That ending, thank you! I get so annoyed when people act as though George Lucas has been backstabbed and betrayed and stolen from. He sold the company and took a big fat cheque, and honestly who can blame him! I think:
A.) It’s not as though he was a passive force in the whole affair.
B.) He’s doing just fine.
Oh also, I feel like his ideas might be better as a book. It just seems like it’d be a lot of exposition that would honestly just be better on the page than on the screen.
OK, sure.
1. If there weren't so many people being dickheads about the PT maybe he would have kept going with his ST, which everyone would have hated again. But he pioneered a lot of technology. He didn't want to repeat himself. I'm not saying the PT doesn't have horrible dialogue and exposition. Of course it does.
2. He sold the company he created to protect the jobs of his staff
For the big fat cheque he take
m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_2067145
Now try to think over greedo ending...
Why lucas sold star wars ?
Raphael oh wow, that’s really cool! I wasn’t saying he was a bad person to sell it, or that I imagined he would be greedy, just that it’s not as though he’s been done quite as dirty as everyone seems to make out. But that’s amazing that he donated the whole lot - awesome guy
This link shows the end of the interview that Greedo conveniently didn't include.
www.reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/comments/8qwz15/expanded_interview_with_george_lucas_and_james/
Lucas:
"But I never got to finish. I never got to tell people about it."
*Greedo says closed quote at this point.
Cameron:
"It's a creation myth and you can't build a world without a creation myth. Every religion, every mythology has a creation myth."
Lucas:
"If I'd held onto the company I could have done it, and then it would have been done. Of course a lot of the fans would have hated it, just like they did phantom menace, and everything but at least the whole story from beginning to end would have been told."
Sounds like a man who is philosophical (maybe a little bitter too)
The concept itself isn't that bad at all. From an analytical point of view, it could very well fit into a book series, mainly because the argument it settles probably works better as a reading experience, as a personal lecture. Of course this is borderline religious, but that's what he was aiming for in the first place.
My main issue with all of this lays on the fact that all the fun, all the character development, all the interesting concepts behind balance and world building he and his predecessors constructed would be almost obliterated as they were not part of someone's decisions, mistakes and thoughts. They were made by “someone above.” That kills the whole saga to me. I understand that there are people liking this concept better than the current sequel trilogy by mere hate towards Disney and what they made, but honestly I don't see them working not only as a movie, but as a sequel to such enduring story. It makes no sense to me.
The concept as some beings taking control of every event of the saga isn't that of the one seen in the three brothers arc of Clone Wars. That was more of a divine characterization that represented the force, not what's behind the concept itself.
Aside from that, those were episodes of a series that you can stablish and develop in longer stories. Series work better with the whole explanation thing. Movies need to be precise, exciting, consistent. When you over explain and try to get all your ideas condensed in a 120~150 minutes they get boring and tedious. A cinematic experience turns into a documentary of some sort. The whole idea of the force was crafted as mystery on the first movie, without it being the central point. In the second it became tangible, you actually knew what it was capable of. By the time of the third one it showed what it consists of, why it's important from the very beginning. Then came TPM, which stated what it was “made of.” The rest of the films went around the force surrounding Anakin and why he was the materialisation of it. Episode VII was a copy of what's seen in IV, and VIII further explored and challenged what was established. As you see, it took a long way to see what the force was, and even then the deep understanding of it came from the expanded universe, not the movies itself.
@Buzzcraft Productions You're right, I'm sorry. Haven't seen the finale of that season. What's the story of those episodes?
Except that is actually reality on SW the Force ultimately has the final say nothing any of the characters does means nothing, because the Force intervenes at precise moments for "balance" if one can call it that when after the OT we have the sequel trilogy, I honestly just view the Force as Lovecraftian, it could give two shits about living beings, it just wants to feed off the living force and make sure it can reset the galactic board every time one side gets out of hand, why? I don't know, but balance from what I witnessed doesn't seem to be in the cards.
With all due respect to George Lucas because I admire him a lot as a filmmaker, I don't really like the sound of this microbiotic thing. I prefer my vision of the Force to remain as a spiritual and religious power rather than a pure phenomena of science within a universe.
Mostly because having a power like this being so attached to science creates too many rules and restrictions as too what it could do, while having it as a spiritual power allows WAY more freedom in storytelling to do great and gigantic things without having to worry about scientific explanation as, in many real world religions and in fiction, spiritual power is a part of the story and doesn't require a scientific explanation as to why certain things happen.
Yup. Thank goodness for the influence of Gary Kurtz. He saved Star Wars from Lucas, IMO. It's a shame he couldn't have helped out with the prequels, too. They badly needed his input.
@Rough Collies Rock The Light Side is the true nature of the Force and, by extension, all life in the universe. The Dark Side is the Force broken and corrupted to serve a single strong-willed individual.
Well it is a microbiotic thing regardless. All because of that one line by Qui-Gon Jinn...
Ironic that the Whills, midichlorians and Kyber Krystals have their origins in unfinished or unused scripts for A New Hope. The fanbase never changes...
@@saricubra2867 Indeed.
I think I like this idea.
In original trilogy, you learn how to change things by ascending. In prequels, you learn that power can also lead you on the bad way.
But the idea of whills controlling the Force is cool cause it would tell that : Sith seek to be gods and they will never succeed, because of the Whills ; whereas Jedis are trying to understand, not control anything and respect the will of the Whills. It's already said in Ep3 when Palpatine says that Plagueis could control midi-chlorians and that's a Sith stuff.
When Cameron says : "you were creating religion", I see his point. But look at it that way : what's the ecology if not living with the Nature and understanding it rather than controlling it ? What's kindness if not trying to understand ppl around us instead of using them ?
It would have brought the idea of the Force beyond that religion or nazism : it could have gone with transhumanism and mad scientists.
About the time he had. He took so much time to do the prequels... I think he had a busy life with all those contracts to make SW toys, SW cons, SW rides, etc... Maybe he also wanted to wait for the idea to shape itself and it may take a long time. On top of that, ppl hated the prequels around 2008-2010 ; it must be hard to announce you're getting back on the saddle at the exact same time that ppl are shitting on your hardest work so far...
Yet, I think he could write that story as a novel. Maybe changing names and stuff to avoid copyright issues and still tell us that story cause I'm curious what he has in mind.
Same
I think the sequels should answer the question ''What's the Force'' instead of ''What's the porgs?'' :P
I actually thought Luke's first lesson to Rey was the first time in the films where we did get more of a concrete answer about what the Force actually is, or at least a better sense of its role in the universe, and in a way that retained its spiritual mystery rather than... whatever the hell this would've been.
I want a book on George’s sequel trilogy. He’s done with Star Wars though...
I want a non canon comic of it.
Yes please. It’s been too long for this franchise to not properly incorporate a multiverse. Put this idea into some AU tale.
Now that's a great idea. A book instead of a movie.
If Lucas worked with someone to make a Legends book trilogy that would be awesome
It's always interesting to see stuff like this. We all know George at this point: a man with a shit ton of good ideas inside his mind, but when he doesn't have a filter, you have the Prequels, and this. When he does have a filter The Clone Wars happens.
(when somebody else makes the show)
So that's how you lot see the Clone Wars.
OGL doesn't need filters at most he needs OGL to the masses adepter.
As for the PT look at Star Wars without OGL, around star and uninspired.
Clone wars was the good ones
The introduction of midichlorians never bothered me.
In my opinion is like when DC heads thought that people didn't like their movies just because they were too dark and serious.
Yes some people complained about michlorians, but that is not a real problem. And the only use for Midichlorian is exposition: instead of showing how someone is strong with the force, they told it ("oh his Midichlorian levels are so high, he must be the Legendary super Saiyan the profecy told us about").
It basically brought Dragon Ball power levels into Star Wars and explained things that didn't really need to be explained and became less cool after they were explained. Adding a level of spiritualism and mystique to what is mostly a gritty, dirty space setting full of bounty hunters and scrappers is cool and (fairly) unique. Over-explaining that the spiritualism is basically microbial science in a way that is completely disconnected from the way our characters interact with the world around them is disappointing, imo.
Just more proof that George Lucas gave up the franchise because of the prequel backlash
People here like: "oh fans hate on the ST because it's not what they think SW should be."
Also fans here: "That's not MY vision of what the force is. George is crazy."
toxic fans, the prequels were brilliant
RuyLopezQB6 what does that have to do with my comment
@@kaleb749 A lot of fans wanted the PT to be just like the OT. Hence the backlash. Comments on this video say things like, "George doesn't know what made SW special". How my opinion relates to your original comment is open to your own interpretation of my opinion, I suppose.
@@flamehiro Same prequel fan: The Last Jedi sucked and I hope Rian dies!!
Having read all the articles of people wishing Lucas' version of the sequel trilogy had of been made instead of what we got.... Are you guys sure now?
DenzoGamin
Personally, I don't really want another Star Wars movie. I want something original that's not Star Wars or goddamn super Heros. I loved endgame but I think that story should remain concluded and fewer releases from marvel every year.
@@rjdiggs738 There are movies and movie franchises other than Marvel and Star Wars already.
@Da Denz
Yes I would still prefer his trilogy. Not matter how good it may have turned out, star wars is still his story to tell and I don't think anyone else should have been the one to finish his story.
With the right talent helping him, it could have been really interesting. Really, I interpreted what he said here that after the Empire is dealt with and the galaxy is no longer at stake we can take a moment to breathe and figure out the cosmic implications of the Jedi vs Sith conflict. Maybe even, going forward, figure out a way to prevent having war after war that have cost billions if not trillions of lives since the light and dark siders started fighting each other
And people say Disney ruined Star Wars...
Aw fuck it. They would’ve still burned George at the cross for this.
No one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fanboys
Thank you, you're right. No matter what the third trilogy would have been, people would have hated it regardless.
Or to paraphrase Rush lyrics: You can choose from Phantom Menace fears // And kindness that can kill // I will choose a path that's clear // I will choose free Whill?
This concept would be amazing if it were used as the big twist in a ‘Star Wars’ LEGO Movie Parody, and the Whills would be in the shape of George Lucas himself with the Force being that of the fandom that wants what they can’t control.
If I know Star Wars fans, they do need it spelled out
They still think that TLJ was trying to tell us to let the past die, even though the only two people who felt that way were proven wrong by the end. Star Wars fans are idiots.
@@peterkorman77 I can only imagine how much better they'd take Luke if Vader had said "Luke ur a bitch bro" in Episode VI
Disney SW Solo:
Han can't think of ANY name to say to convince recruiter.
Recruiter: "Han..... Solo."
And then he kept that name his entire life. Great writing. Very creative.
@@Ruylopez778 "there's a dumb line 0/10" fortunately stuff like this only counts for new Star Wars movies
I don't think it would have worked
So... that's certainly intriguing for sure. It may have been cool, however I'm kind of happy with TFA & TLJ and there ideas they have put forward.
However if George had people working with him. Holding him back from going overboard like he did. We may have got something very cool from this.
But this doesn't seem something original in any way. And in a storytelling perspective, making a trilogy about how everything is predetermined by god (or the whills), means useless waste of time. Unless the trilogy is like a Silmarillion, but we already had the prequels that already did this.
This makes a lot of sense considering the fact that Dune was a huge inspiration for Star Wars. The themes are very similar in this regard, especially exploring ideas of Transhumanisn and Metaphysics. The idea of the Whills by the way was also something of that came out of the Original draft of Star Wars and they were going to big role within the story.
Prequels = Father
Originals = Son
George Lucas' Sequels = Holy Spirit
I wouldn't be surprised if this was indeed George's idea
I do like the concept of immortal beings observing the galaxy and archiving the story. The Watchers are a thing in the Marvel Comics universe, perhaps The Whills would've been the same way.
NeoParzival829 all those ideas were in clone wars show there’s like a 3 part story of the wills
Eep. What's the tune playing at the end of the video? Love those synths.
SW fans: star wars was better until disney ruined it
George lucas:
For all the people shooting down George Lucas over this, all I have to say is that none of you actually understand what George is talking about. Go watch The Clone Wars, the final arc of Season 6 has Yoda communicating with the Force Priestesses, and through them he learns about the living and the cosmic Force, the Midichlorians, and is sent to various Force Sensitive locations, from Dagobah to Moraband. He has force visions, and even comes into contact with a remnant of Darth Bane.
THIS is what George wanted, he wanted to get deep into the mystical enlightenment of the Force, where our characters are vessels in a much larger story and world, where we can get more fantastical stories and larger-than-life worlds and lessons to be learned.
When he says he wanted to get deeper into the micro-biotic world of Star Wars, he did not literally mean we'd be studying Midichlorians in blood cells, nor did he mean characters were going to be shrunk down like ants. He wanted to take the concepts of the Force to the next level and show that the humans and aliens of the Galaxy aren't the owners of the force, they're vessels playing out stories and the wills of those beyond their comprehension. Almost like Greek Mythology and the Gods of Olympus.
I for one think it had leagues more creativity, ingenuity and potential than the OT rehash and deconstruction that is the Sequel Trilogy.
cAnon a bunch of Deep Lore style metaphysics does not make a story interesting or compelling. More often then not simpler is better.
@@Shapes_Quality_Control It wouldn't be for everyone but there are a lot of people who would have liked it.
I'm not arguing about the quality of the potential stories that could have been told, I am simply arguing that people are judging the idea based on misconceptions. George had a vision and an idea and a story to tell, and the seed he planted for this story in The Clone Wars suggest that we could have got some very interesting and exciting stuff.
People are mistakenly reading into this and imagining the ST was just going to be a 3-movie-long extension of the Midichlorian explanation scene, but that just isn't the case. We know that George, at its core, wanted the story to focus on Luke and his new apprentice as they figure this stuff out and most likely embark on a new adventure against a new threat. This lore would have just been expanding the mythos in which the story and characters are set.
cAnon Again your justification is “nerds like exposition heavy Deep Lore”. It’s not deep and it’s not clever. There is beauty in simplicity. This is why films like Halloween are works of art where Star Wars is just another popcorn flick. You can couch it in all the flowery language you want but it’s not any more profound.
Ok, that sounds good.
I agree with @cAnon it is very obvious from Lucas words that the focus would be the Whills or whatever he would call them in the end, acting like some sort of gods through the use of the Force. And maybe an epic or tragic (or both) struggle seeking ultimate freedom from this. Or a better understanding of it. And whatever you say, the mentioned final arc of Clone Wars is pure beauty and many people liked it.
Funny thing, some authors that do get how SW rules work and take that to the limit, actually reached similar conclusions... only not daring to personify the Force (but got very close). That s how we have KotOR II for example, where Kreia is basically seeking to destroy it, or to convince his last apprentice to become free of it. Of its tyranny. Knowing these bits of Lucas view, KotOR II interpretation is even more valid now.
Sorry to say, but current Disney SW is what many fans deserve. Nothing different to "classic" good old OT (without Ewoks or course) is valid for you guys. Disney thought this as well and that is why out of 4 released movies 3 of them are based on nostalgia mostly. "Ironically", you did not like that very much either.
The way many of you portray Lucas as a guy devoid of any talent and creativity that just got lucky is absurd. It s almost the other way around. You discourage creativity and promote fan service SW. How were we surprised with TFA completely rehashing OT then?
With some luck Dave Filoni will be allowed to create interesting things.
It's strange that George would say the Whills "control the universe." That seems to contradict what Obi-Wan told Luke: that while the Force partially controls your actions, it also obeys your commands.
You don't know if he meant that literally or simply used a the word "controls" without thinking about what he was saying, so he meant a different word, such as "influence" or "guide". The point is, Lucas's idea for the Sequel Trilogy is far more respectable than what Disney did.
Somebody believes Lucas when he says everything was preconceived? Even if it is true, this has nothing to do with why i like the original trilogy. Maybe the secret is to have a Nice team around you.
@Mr O Do you know a fallacy when you see it?😬
Thank the Whills George Lucas wasn't heavily involved in the sequel trilogy.
😬 not a fan of Star Wars: Horton Hears a who
Wow, that makes the weird shit from Rise of Skywalker look tame. I think that somehow would've been even more controversial than the sequel trilogy we got.
I’d love to live in an alternate time line and watch all the folks who cry Disney ruined Star Wars go on about how he made terrible sequels and should sell to someone like Disney
At least it sounds original, even if it turned out to be shit
RuyLopezQB6 I’d rather take something rehashed and entertaining.
@@TheJmack90 That's George's whole argument. People don't want anything new. They want the same thing.
When he came out with the original movie it wasn't the same old thing. I mean, assuming you liked ANH, maybe you didn't, I don't know.
RuyLopezQB6 I didn’t say I don’t want something new. I’m saying I vehemently dislike shit. And if the situation presented itself to pick something slightly new yet VERY entertaining over something innovative but lame af, I’m going to pick the former. I don’t care about innovation for innovation’s sake. I don’t give someone props simply by doing something different, you have to make it worth my time. I’m a strong advocate for Star Wars treading new ground and different stories. Even if that means leaving old characters behind.
I know people love George, I love the man too. But George bullshits A LOT. “I wasn’t given the chance to tell my story”...George, yes you did...6 times!!! 3 of those times you had TOTAL CONTROL over your movies and you still struck out.
The people who call for George’s return and shit on Disney for not giving the fans “what they want” REALLY don’t understand George. George was ten times worse. He was NOT CLOSE to engaging with his audience at all when it came to anything that had to do with the prequels or him tampering with the original trilogy. People checked out of Star Wars then, just as much as they do now. Entertaining and engaging with the audience that made you successful is most important.
@@TheJmack90 OK, but that's based on a short interview about mythology.
You know that his concept for the ST was Luke sets up a Jedi academy and fails, and two protagonists Sam and Kira became what we now know as Finn and Rey. And there were also ideas of going scavenging in the Death Star underwater for Jedi artifacts or whatever, Jedi hunters, and the return of Anakin.
So you're taking the interview somewhat out of context, as Greedo is doing to laugh at him. He's not saying, "Poor me I never got to finish!" That's Greedo's perspective. He's saying I never got to finish it because everyone hated what I did with the PT, and people didn't want what I had in mind and I sold my company to protect the future of my staff. He gave them all his ideas, and they chucked it out to do a reboot. And I don't have anything against a reboot, but c'mon it was pretty cynical in every way.
I'm not saying George is perfect. I think there's a middle ground. If we'd had Filoni and Favreau working on George's ideas, the way that TCW expanded on the force that COULD have been much more interesting than what we got now.
Interesting commentary! It’s especially telling that instead of addressing the problem of answering a question nobody was asking, Lucas sees the issue as not being able to provide a more complete, expounded answer to a question nobody was asking.
So........... what if Palpatine comes back as THE WHILLS? Could be the intriguing but ridiculous "full circle" theme they've been teasing.
Imagine all the memes if george decided to make the sequel trilogy
George should write a book about this.
That would be epic.
I haven’t watched your videos before. This is the first one. Became a huge fan right away. You got one more subscriber.
Causation takes my brain straight to BERSERK everytime...
Causation is a reason to not tell a story.
@@davidv4018 meant as in it reminds me of causality
I like the idea of that there’s still a mystery to something, something we can use to concoct our own theories at, to have our own head cannon to what we think. It might just be me but I don’t think everything has to have some 16 page explanation to something of WHY it is what it is
Yep. Some things need to be explained, but some things are better off with the bare minimum of explanation. The force was at its best when all we knew about was that it was the force that binds the universe together. We didn't need to know how, or why. It was just space magic and that was okay.
I actually think that the Mediclorean concept is one thing that The Phantom Menace did right
Thank you for the last line, we have to be more objective and understand what happened, sadly Mr. Lucas was not well advised and he should have kept a large percentage of the IP, that way he would have doubled what he got from the sale and also kept a grasp on the creative direction of the story and management of the franchise as a whole. But we have to understand the direction of the franchise as it is now, and I accept that it would be good that Lucas could at least publish under the legends banner his interpretation of the final chapters of the saga as a way to have a closing.
Well, The Clone Wars is going to be interesting for Greedo when he gets to season 6...
Nice Carl Sagan shirt there.
Yikes, glad we didnt get THIS. This woulda been... bad. Sorry George. But that whole thing about the Whills and a microbiotic world sounds awful
At least you you he had something planned out at least. But here's another problem just cause it sounds bad doest mean it will be bad and vice versa. Example TLJ to me actually sounded good on paper but it played out terribly and its basically literally destroyed star wars and same with batman vs superman sounds good but it came out terrible. So end of the day just cause its sounds bad doesn't mean it will be bad
@@teddyisaliar271 It didn't literally destroy anything. Stop with the needless hyperbole. It's okay to just not like a movie every once in a while and then move on with your life.
@@h4724-q6j have you not seen the divide in the fan add? Sure it's okay not to like a movie once In a while but lets say your someone like me who did not enjoy or started not liking the force awakens and Then TLJ come ong and then only further makes you hate what the company is doing then your literally destroying a franchise. Cause if you haven't noticed star wars isn't just some whatever franchise star wars is a huge deal cause we have books, novels, games, dedicated theme parks, 2 days dedicated and not to mention the star wars celebration. So simple terms the needless hyperhole isn't needed cause its actually a thing and again if you don't like something your gonna want to get your word out their cause you don't want to see the same things happen again
@@teddyisaliar271 Great another 'it ruined muh childhood' guy.
@@mariobadia4553 hahahahahahaha oh so judgemental you aren't you did I say it ruined my childhood? I wasn't like those pathetic original trilogy fans who croed George lucas ruined my childhood cause the of the prequels I'm saying that Disney is ruining star wars mainly the sequels cause its just been a whole giant mess only good things they have done is the spin offs rogue was good and solo is underrated to me cause that film was absolutely much better then TLJ and you see people like you are why star wars fans get a bad rap cause your blind loyalty and lack of care of what people have to say and jumping to conclusions and name calling without at least giving a valid argument is pathetic
Yoda kind of becomes a Whill representative, maybe indirectly.
Whills? That's a terrible pun
I would kill to be able to read all of Lucas's notes about this idea.
Georges ideas are so much better than the sequel BS.
Lucas > Kennedy
Half of George's ideas break star wars, and by fucking God have people tried to minimize those bad ideas from reaching the final product
Fans: Nobody could have made worse sequels than Disney.
George Lucas: Hold my alien milk.
Love the shirt Greedo!
"Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known"
Attributed to Carl Sagan, astronomer, science communicator, promoted the search for extraterrestrial life. An amazing man!
I would love it if we get to see some of these ideas used in The Rise of Skywalker. Like if we get to follow Luke as he enters The Force and gets to see midiclorians and whills and even some of the other deceased Jedi like Obi-Wan and Yoda.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Robb Hays why not
Off topic, but George's face in the thumbnail is great
Personally his idea for a sequel trilogy don't sound great and I'm not that fussed he didn't do them
Thank god George never got to tell me about the Whills.
already done. check Clone Wars !
these ideas have been incorporated into the clone wars series, so there is no huge mistery about how a star wars movie like that would have been...it would just be a star wars movie with sword fights and spaceship battles, and misterious characetsr talking about oooohhhhh the whillsss the power of the whillsss oooohhh
If you read Schopenhauer’s The world as Will and representation, preferably after reading Kant’s theory of Transcendental Idealism, you’ll find that is where Lucas got the idea for The Whill and The Force.
They never should have dropped his story. It was about something. Now it's about nothing.
Well, not to spoil everything, but we kind of dip into that with the Yoda arc of The Clone Wars, but still, I'm not on board with the idea of what George had in mind in this conversation.
I don't think the sequel trilogy is exploring this concept (I don't think it's exploring any concept, but I'm not here to talk about how crappy Disney is)
The only Star Wars content I know that seems to explore this (other than the journal, and the CW episodes that introduce them) is KotOR II.
The whole game is a plot by kreia to kill the force, because she thought it controlled everything, after all. They didn't speak of whills, or midichlorians, but the themes are all there.
George Lucas's sequel trilogy would probably be a continuation of the story.
So now that I think about it, maybe fans would've loved the GL sequels after all.
Does this guy wear a stormtrooper helmet in every video?!!
GL, we really don't need heavy exposition about the Whills or Midichlorians which turned us fans off PT. We need to keep the mystery out of sight and let the characters figure it out for themselves as part of the Hero's Journey.
Potentially it could have been great... if they had everyone who was a big conduit for the force (everyone with a force ghost) comeback to fight the Whills who would be evil it would be insanely epic way of wrapping everything up... the moral of the story is that it's better for things not to be balanced but to be in the favor of good for everyone...
I’d rather the Force be a mysterious, abstract thing, rather than having a set of masters.
If the Whills were either higher level servants/guardians of the Force (above the Jedi), rather than its makers, or high level mysterious observers, that would be more acceptable.
The notion of anybody being “above” the Force seems totally wrong.
People hating on the Sequels should really appreciate the fact that Disney bought Star Wars. Yes, you might not like the new movies, but holy sh*t George Lucas' plan for the franchise was awful. At least the new movies feel like Star Wars. Maybe you disagree with the way they've handled Luke or the fact that Snoke didn't turn out to be a new Emperor Palpatine-ish villain, but the new movies are still so much better than what George Lucas wanted to do.
I've watched that season, and I don't think differently, because what George Lucas described was not that.
The Galaxy was at peace for 30 years. Where did you get the "remaining at war" from? And where did you get the "...grew larger than the Empire ever was" from? We've literally only seen the First Order having a presence in the Outer Rim.
Oh, and you want to explore the inner layers of the Force, but when it gave us Rey and worked it's mysterious ways, you're complaining? And the 3 days-thing is again something you've made up. At no point are we told how long she's on Ahch-To. Just like we don't know for how long Luke trains with Yoda on Dagobah in TESB. Stop making stuff up to fit your narrative.
It may be an unpopular opinion with the fandom, but I find the prequels, for all their flaws, much more interesting than the disney reboot. I believe the fandom got what they deserved with the last jedi, a kind of cosmic karma.
In the wake of TLJ even many ardent haters are missing OGL.
The biggest problem with the reboot trilogy is they don't explain anything. Maybe the First Order conquered many planets, maybe none at all, maybe everyone is terrified of them or maybe no one cares at all. Maybe the Republic government opposes them, maybe not, maybe it doesn't even exist. If it does exist, it might be affiliated with the Resistance, but it might not be. The Jedis are probably gone but even that isn't totally clear.
@@handsomebrick There is an explanation...but the put it in the side material.
@@Youcancallmeishmaell What side material? What is it?
@@handsomebrick Allot of the book,comics,video games released around the TFA cover it.
But I'll save you time and money, here's the backstory...
18 months after Endor the New Republic and the Imperial Remnant have one final major engagement above Jakku.
Which ends in victory for the New Republic, instead of hunting down the diminished Imperial Remnant. They sign a piece treaty and allow all remaining IR force to retreat to the unknown regions.
The New Republic begins an almost immediate demilitarization, to show the Galaxy that peace had returned.
Decades later the New Republic begins to see the signs of a major industrial build up by the Imperial Remnant now First Order...and the deiced to ignore them under the belief that the First Order would never break the tray and attack.
Leia however will not be quite about the First Order, so she's eventually given literal hush money and use it to wage a private war against the First Order with a private militia that she calls the Resistance.
Small scale clashes between the Resistance and the First Order happen, the New Republic denies all connection to the Resistance;which is a lie because they are still giving Leia hush money.
Ben Solo goes berserk and destroys Luke's academy save for a small number of students that become the Knights of Ren.
Somebody tell George to make a graphic novel
I agree
true
I bet if he made this people would have hated it just like the TLJ
And if you don't think so well than you are lost
from my point of view, Disney is evil!
Swish Fish well then you are found! 😂
@@jeffjeff6078 Woah, I was lost, then I was found! Now, I'm hungry, like a wolf!
@Scott Memelord still doesn't mean your opinion matters to anyone else
@Scott Memelord because you replied to me
This concept would be good for a story arc or spin off, as in something that happens in an obscure corner of the SW universe that adds a small possible topping to the SW universe, but doesn't replace or alter the canon or legends proper. Like don't make a trilogy about it, but make a few episode story arc and a reference in an anthology film about this particular take on the force, and have their be a Force sub religion about it, sort of like that guy from Rogue One. Then you can expand on this idea for an adventure romp in Star Wars in an isolated setting without knocking everything established off balance.
I bet I'm the only one who thinks this, but this sounds super cool and I wish we got it.
You're not the only one. I hope that one day some of these ideas are presented to us more fleshed out, in any format. Maybe notes from Lucas, sketches, perhaps a short series by Dave Filoni with George's guidance. At least they started with Mortis and Yoda's last episodes of Clone Wars.
Why do you assume that there WOULD be a character "turning to the camera and explaining" anything?!? Lucas has always handled exposition brilliantly and efficiently.
So George was going to go real philosophical and allow Star Wars to grow but instead we get the same vague hero story again
Exactly but more cynical and less well described
Except this involved something going too deep into science rather than the actual story. There's definitely a philosophical side in the ST, it's just that it didn't involve a microbiotic world. That said, I would like to see his version of the ST in a different trilogy after the episodic Skywalker Saga, to me his ideas just doesn't fit in here, but we'll see.
@@supreme_leader5135 We can't know from an interview how scientific it would have got. He said the whole saga is about families. That's the way he restructured it when he decided on "Dad Vader".
The ST also shows that Rey can master the force quickly to be equal to the dark side which is fine if that's what they want to go with, whatever, but it's completely at odds with how the protagonist used to be told to be patient and train. So no wonder some fans are confused about Rey. This ST doesn't know what it wants to be.
On the surface it is a cynical copy of the OT and under the surface it's inconsistent with what it was supposed to be about
@@Ruylopez778 I never got the whole training thing, Yoda simply says in ESB that the reason Luke fails is nothing to do with his lack of training, but his lack of faith. Rey was thought that the force is more than just lifting rocks and the deep philosophical part of it, in the end, she was able to lift rocks.
But whatever, that's just my interpretation. I fully respect your opinion if you dislike the ST.
@@supreme_leader5135 Yoda tells Obi-Wan "he's too old to be the training." They specifically show young Jedi being trained in the PT. The whole PT is about Anakin craves power and can't control his emotions. It's a metaphor for having to work hard. I'm not saying they have to show Luke running around and jumping for 20 minutes, it's a montage.
Vader says "Obi-Wan has taught you well."
Both Luke and Anakin tread a fine line between going to dark side several times.
Rey kind of downloads it like Matrix style.
That's fine if it's the direction they want to go. Narratively I don't find it compelling when the hero learns things easily.
I'm saying some fans are still trying to make Rey connected to someone or having been trained in the past and forgotten about it as an explanation to her power. So the story now clearly doesn't connect with everyone. And Rey hasn't failed or made bad decisions like Luke and Anakin did. On top of that she's already beaten Kylo in the first movie (and Snoke talks about she had no training - why mention it if it's not important?) and the second was a draw. And then by the end of the movie her powers were even stronger. So were are the stakes? The sad thing is that because Rey grew up on planet alone [which we didn't even she] and therefore people imagined she struggled, they seem certain she is well written character. I disagree.
When I first saw _The Phantom Menace_ and Qui Gon was explaining The Force™ and mentioned midi-chlorians, I LITERALLY yelled "NOOO!!!!" in the movie theater. To me, that immediately took the mystery out of it. From a mystical force to something you'd hear on an episode of Star Trek The Next Generation.
I think if this had been the focus of the sequel trilogy, it would have fared even worse than the disastrous _The Last Jedi._
JustWasted3HoursHere the problem is George wanted a "quick and easy way" to explain why Anakin was so powerful, so he decided to "quantify" the force. It just didn't work. It's an ok idea, but not one that was (or maybe could be) told subtlety, unfortunately. That's why most didn't like it, and were vocal about it. It made it seem like you had to be special to have and use the Force, yet in the original film, it was something that resided in all living things. It was inspirational "go out, believe in yourself, and do it yourself." After the midichlorian thing, it seemed more like you have to have enough "Force points" to succeed. That's where it stumbled.
You hated midichlorians. I didn't. Who is now "We all"?
He's speaking to his audience.
They say: "People hate on the ST because it's not what they wanted in their head canon"
They also say: "Ugh this Whills idea is horrible! This is not MY vision of what the force is."
They also say: "All the comments here are so positive."
Sounds way more creative and exciting then what Disney has given us thus far.
Creative and interesting - yes, but it isn't for Star Wars, they aren't that type of movies. It would be better suited to it's own movie that has nothing to do with SW or the force. If he'd have done this, the franchise would be in a much worse state than anything Disney have done.
Yeah that is a fair point. Its a fascinating concept but it is a little bit too high brow for StaWars.
Still a hell a lot better than this garbage we have
This was one of your best videos. Loved it
Yup. This comment section shows why he sold it. It's a vague concept laid out and all of you are hating with limited info. It sounds more interesting than the sequel trilogy
Theses "fans" is why he solid it and now we have crap
George Lucas of course had to sell the company because he was really depressed about the hate when the fans complained about the Medicloreins and The prequels.