Shop Tour - BOSNIA STILL RUNS GERMAN WWII STEAM!?!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ย. 2024
- In Tuzla, Bosnia - these WWII German built "War Locomotives" - Kriegsloks are still in service as they have been since the mid 1940's, hauling coal from the mines to the thermal power plant. We were in Croatia, and figured we'd pop by and see what we could...
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I smiled just as hard as you did while watching this, Mark. Your mom is the best, and the love for steam really has no borders. What an experience! Closest thing I'll probably ever have to this is the time I got to have firing 611. The pure joy is tangible!
Dude! That must've been such a cool experience
@@Hyce777 It was THE COOLEST. She steamed so freely and so easily. Her actual fireman who was showing me the ropes said the even on the mainline, you can literally set it and forget it. Just kick your feet up and let her rip.
My Mom's partner used to be the Superintendent of Locomotives at NS in the 80's and was in charge of the 611.
@@Hyce777do you have a discord i could contact you by?
As a person who lives basically next to Roanoke, glad you got to run the Queen of Steam herself!
All the S060s ready to highball and derail lol
😂
Going from being told to go away to running one of there pieces of equipment is like, the best level up ever lol
What flag is that
@@RobertCraft-re5sf Asexual flag
Insane that slapped-together war locomotives are still running today. Proof of great German craftsmanship and great Bosnian maintenance
Nobody makes anything like they used to.
@@Zyo117 They do, actually; due to survivor bias. The garbage gets scrapped, leaving the impression that things were better before by the good stuff that survives.
Austerity engines in general were long lasting, S100, S160 WD 2-8-0 & 2-10-0 ontop of WD 0-6-0ST's all lasted till end of steam, the tank engines even beyond that as industrials.
@@davidty2006that's interesting, I wonder why? Could austerity engines just be cheaper and easier to maintain?
@@Yaivenov Yes. These types of locomotives were designed to be as simple to produce and maintain as possible. No fancy tech, no fine-trimming of the performance. They just needed to run wherever, whenever.
6:38 “ oh wow its tired” is the greatest description of a train in that condition ever
So tired the cab fell off 😂
"Be careful, there are snakes!"
"Good to know, stick to the short grass..." .. he says, looking up at the 060 with grass growing out of the top...
The translations provided by Hyce Mom are absolutely invaluable and truly make this video much better to view as someone who knows nothing of Bosnia! Amazing as always
That man is seemed so kind! I swear that anyone involved with steam locomotives has an amazing level of pride, in their dedication to this aging equipment!
You don't work on steam locomotives for anything else than pure love for them.
Anyone with a shared interest wants to do just that...share it.
I am sure the guy at the workshop got a memory of the joy he gave Hyce letting him look and touch stuff so freely....
9:20 can we just take a Moment to appreciate Hyce and his phone wallpaper of 491😂
You can tell they take pride in their jobs. Having someone who can translate to avoid all the hand flapping utterly transforms this as well. Props to Hyce Mum.
This is such a fantastic story and video. Thanks Hyce’s mom for all that she did to make this happen, to the guide who was so happy to share his passion with you and seeing you smile, and thank you Hyce for brining us along for the ride. I was smiling the entire time with you experiencing all of that, and having got a small taste of what is coming up, that last sentence “I got to run one” brought chills and a tear of joy.
SteamfanScott you said it
Wow, that's so cool! I was in Bosnia in 1997 as a NATO peacekeeper, so seeing you on vacation there makes me feel really good about what we did. I got to fly or convoy all over the country and while the rail network was still in disarray from the war, i did get to see a little action. Didn't see steam though.
I love how they were just very friendo during your entire Bosnia experience.
Thanks Hyce Mom! We appreciates you giving ALL OF US this opportunity to see this!
Wow, that is amazing! Hyce Mom deserves lots of credit and love for helping you get in and learn about the place. Can't wait for part 2!
And yes, asterisks on that "last revenue steam". I remember watching a documentary a few years ago about some narrow gauge steam still running in a corner of China, although I think that was passenger traffic, a mix of tourist and local trains. I don't remember if there was freight...it was on CuriosityStream, I could look it up again.
A lot of the Chinese stuff has recently ended from what I gather; not sure exactly which.
@Hyce777 Chinese steam finished in 2019 from memory
@@Hyce777 In Wolsztyn, Poland (not so far from your current location), they are still in regular service.
The fact that something like this still exists at all is truly incredible, and the fact that you actually got to see it is just… I don’t have any words other than “you lucky son of a gun” and “your mom is the absolute best!”
It is amazing that among many of WWII German locomotives that still in use is this class 52, a Kriegslok. They are mass produced to be a simplified version of DRG locomotives and built for this reason to fulfill the war needs. Longevity wasn’t what the builders were aiming for.
Next thing we know one of those are gonna 0-6-0s are gonna be on a boat heading to hyce headquarters lol
This made me grin so big, it absolutely warms my heart how much you and your mom just vibe and encourage each other. And the guy leading you around the shop! You could really tell that even halfway across the world with a language barrier, when people share a passion, it's always possible to find that connection c:
Ok Hycemom is wicked cool and wonderful to see Hyce in his happy space.
You should convince the museum to buy one of those S100 / S060 / Home Built Variant.
There is a copy S100 steaming at a British museum. I'll have to take another look at it online, and they could tell you more about it.
Funnily enough there's two similar in Niagara railroad museum in ontario
theres a few running S100s britain has one somewhere and the US does atleast...
@@lukemendel8197 I believe we have one running in the US, Granite Rock Co. #10 operates out of Sacramento
@@PowerTrain611 Nice! More steam engines is always better thou.
Hyce, I really hope you’ve told you mom to look over all the great comments she’s been getting for her work and for be a great sport.
This also goes for your sisters help to in the other vids
Hyce if youre Interested in German Narrow Gauge too then maybe you should Visit Ruegen. They still have a 750mm Narrow Gauge Railrode from Putbus to Goehren. It runs since 1895 and in the Last Years they have been improving and Modernizing this Railrode. As far as I remember is the oldest Locomotive from 1914 which was Built by Vulcan in Stettin
11:30 This… this is why 491 is going to break her front truck as soon as you get the rear one fixed, Birdman.
I can't change the fact that her firebox is too big because her boiler is from 1902. lol!
@@Hyce777 Baby's got back!
Why is 491 spoiler from 1902 when she was built in 28
@@landonbeatty6262 some D&RG locomotives were built using bigger gauge locomotive boilers, so ig
@@landonbeatty6262 The K-37's were built with hand-me-down boilers to save money.
I'll be honest the shop smell is one of the most pleasant smells there is. atleast in my mind, it's just. so comforting.
You found derail valley! Finally the fabled Kriegslok! Google translate tells me that's "War Locomotive" which is such a cool name.
well it is indeed a wartime engine.
Yup, they were called that because they were designed with wartime losses in mind. The Kriegsloks were made to be relatively cheap, no frills, easy to build and maintain in large numbers. They've lasted significantly longer than anyone intended them to.
"i got to run one" audible shock from me brother. Cant wait 😮😮
Same reaction over here too
Brings back memories of being deployed to Bosnia. I was serving in Lukavac at the coal coking plant and there were 0-4-0 switchers parked in the plant. The plant was still operational and it rained ash on us constantly.
So update on the project we talked about, it is taking longer than what I expected. I honestly thought I would have had something physical by now.
Also do you want it powered or static? (If you say powered, I would like for you to reimburse me for parts and liqueur.)
You are such a wonderful human mate. Powered would be ridiculous - don't sweat it. The trials and tribulations that go into that are not fun for anyone. Static is just fine. :)
@@Hyce777 I have a few other questions but I'll ask you on Discord
Emphasis on the liqueur right? XD Top sheld only ;)
Had the pleasure of 'Been there, seen it, done it' when i was there for the Kosovo War back in '98-'99 with Army National Guard 126th Medical. When i had some free time i would go wonder and check out the trains. Couldn't believe they still operated steam locomotives. It was a lifetime experience.
I used to work on lathe that big, some even bigger.. when I repaired steam turbines.. been a machinist for 10 years, and still love it just as much as day 1! 🙌
Finally, it’s big train time
Really interesting to see the colors on the Kriegslok. Most museums and miniatures tend to depict them as they would look immediately after final assembly, with glossy black and striking red paint. This is a great look at how one of these engines would actually appear for most of its life, faded and dirty but running strong.
During war, they were covered in "Feldgrau" or field grey. Red and black locomotives were easier to see from the air and were thus more likely to be destroyed by allied planes. Also,they often did not have enough paint for these thousands of engines.
What a beauty these old engines are. Crazy
When the credits rolled I realized my face was hurting from smiling so hard. Thank you for sharing!
What a wonderful shop and a nice gent who showed you around! Some things just transcend everything - the smell and the grime and the love of old choochoos. It makes my soul happy too.
and thank you Hyce Mom for being there and translating it all! (on the spot and afterwards!)
Holy cow, you know what's weirder, we have some preserved Yugoslav S100's at the railway museum in Fort Erie, Ontario. Guy bought them for a local theme park but they were never used, so they ended up at the local rail museum, still painted up for the Yugoslavian railways. They look like those things!
Like a kid on Christmas morning, we love to see it :D
You should really check out Harzer Schmalspurbahnen in Germany. It's a 140km narrow gauge network running steam engines in revenue service, very impressive.
Very moving to just be the literal fly on the wall, as you (and Hyce-mom) enjoy this experience… Huge thanks for sharing…! 😊
12:48 the Br52 is designed to be not fuzzy about the quality of coal you feed it, you do get better results with ignite on a 39e boiler (DDR rebuilt 52), but the older design does a good job too.
13:35 starts to recall the whole coaling guide.
14:42 most sheds in Germany have special mounting racks for these, as the bolt patterns are standardised
16:11 there is a central lubrication unit on the fireman side, that runs everything that is not oiled from the outside
17:22 not only is it a 52, it also has most of the 'frostschütz' covers still fitted. The plates allow for extra insulation of the pipes and valves
17:39 pistons and a sand box of a 52
the german mines were lignite which is lowest of low when it comes to coal quallity last i heard.
Hi Mark that shop tour was ultra cool! So kind of the guide to take you and your mom around. As you were walking about, I could so imagine that iconic shop smell you mentioned. The gigantic lathe was impressive. Loved when you got into the cab to see things up close and, as you said, similar but different. And a shop filled with lots of parts was amazing, like a time capsule. So much to take in, it was beautiful! Many pause moments to analyze what you were filming. Echo shout out thanks to your mom for interpreting, and to you Professor many thanks for presenting this excellent video and sharing your experience with us! Oh so looking forward to part two. As always Mark cheers to you!
I had a chance to ride on one of them in Pojarevac in Serbia in the late 1980's when I was a 14 year old boy. They had one steamed up in readiness on standby and my cousins husband was friends to a locomotive driver. He let me hop into the cabin and ran about 200-300 meters back and forth on the shunting track where it was stationed. That was some unforgettable experience as a boy.
I have never seen a “grease pit” for a train before 🤠.
The weight sitting on those tracks with no center support makes my butt pucker🤣
Darn near every shop out there has them, just like that.
I had only recently learned about these engines being there considering I’ve been to Tuzla multiple times before with my relatives considering I’m a Bosnian myself
The words of your mom reminded me of Emir Kusturica's film "Život je čudo" (Life Is a Miracle) filmed on Šarganska osmica. I hope I could visit that narrow-gauge railroad some day 🤗
man.... what a rare look through a window of history that is very hard to find these days! what a wonderful opportunity your mom gave you as well! very cool man. Very much looking forward to the next one!
Yea, awesome job Hyce Mom. Grade A job
491 “I heard you talkin smack”
In this case the use of these steam locomotives ( BR 52 the biggest class of built steamengines even after WW2, 7000+ units build ) is a no brainer.
Labour is dirt cheap, spare parts are still made and the fuel is free for the coalmines/powerplants in Bosnia.
Modern diesels would cost way more for them operating these veteran warhorses.
BR52's are so numerous they are even converted in other countries to use light fuel oil and even natural gas for scenic and heritage railroads.
A BR52 in the Netherlands restored and in original Wehrmacht livery even became a moviestar and used often in WWII movies/tv series.
Hé Hyce, on the 7 & 8 of september we have in the netherlands the event 'Terug naar Toen' its a event where round 10 german locomotives are running between Apeldoorn and Dieren at the Veluwse Stoomtrein Maatschappij. would be fun to see you there.
And see a 52 in something as close as possible to the factory color on the 52 3879, and its bigger 3 cylinder brother the mighty class 44
Fantastic! I was so happy to see, that there is a second video :)
These massive 2-10-0 locomotives are just the big guns of the rails, in WWII they were armored and cameo as well, they look fricking tough, i really want to go that place and see it in person.
You should visit to Japan they had the most sharpest steam locomotives there, and the trains are just cool as the Americans.
Armored?
Just when I thought your overseas videos couldn’t get any better. Holy crap dude-you’re living the dream! I’ll be ready with my popcorn and ES&Drink for tomorrow’s vid🤩
So crazy no matter where you are from or where you go railroaders always know how to show off the good things at work. Great video as always Hyce. Keep up the good work. Can’t wait to meet you in person when you come down to Kentucky.
I fired a Kriegslok on the Nene Valley railway in the early nineties, huge fire grate to fill.
Hey Hyce! I don’t know if you already know this but there is a really cool railway museum here in Strasshof, Austria, and there are some really cool engines to look at and even ride along on! They have the OESEK 52.100 and the KKSTB 310.23 running here every second Sunday, each time switching the engines out. I’ve been there like 4 times since April so I can only recommend!
Ive been waiting for this one and sure enough I had a huge grin the entire time. That shop is COOL. Who knows what else youd find around, just as spare parts or w/e. That lineup of air compressors was wild as was all the fittings on the shelves. Thanks to Hyce Mom for the translation, and honestly thank you to her for helping you with this rare opportunity to not only for you to see all of this, but thank you to her for helping you bring all of this to us.
Cant wait to see the running video.
In East Germany there are still some historical narrow gauge railways in daily commercial steam operation. (Passenger service)
They're worth visiting.
Nice man, we aint have time for the shop but cool to see a video.
Congratulations on this great experience, Hyce! Much love and thanks to mama Hyce as well. A moment that will stay with you for the rest of your days.
Two things...
First, I love getting to watch you nerd out over this.... like a kid in a candy store, only with massive eye candy of days of old..... thank you for taking this journey.
Second, the hospitality of those in foreign countries is a wonderful change of pace compared to what we see day to day... especially when the day to day is NY....
Amazing to see all of this, feels almost as if I'm there nerding out as well.
Hyce Mom is one of the best side characters, perhaps an even better side character than Brett and Leighton.
Amazing episode Hyce! The German steam locos are my favorites, truly awesome designs for their time. And how lucky you are your mom speaks Bosnian!
The easy way to tell if an S100 is American or Yugoslav is to look at the steam pipes running into the pistons. On the original the pipes are completely straight, in the copies the pipe bends part of the way down. The copies were made by Đuro Đaković in Croatia in the 1960s, around the time that revenue steam ended in the US.
It’s fun to listen to you geek out over these old engines.
I have no idea what I’m looking at - but enjoy listening to the conversation 🤠
The fact that those kriegsloks, despite being built as disposable engines with a VERY limited projected service life (like two years if memory serves), are still in operation and well cared for is absolutely lovely. It reminds me of the engines that were on the Hedjaz Jordan Railway in Syria and Jordan. There's a line from a documentary on that railway that I think rings true for these engines: "not preserved as such, but simply unchanged over the years."
I loved seeing such historic steam engines blown away by the size of the engines and the fact they run is amazing a testament of how well they are taken care of
The Sembaro Sugar Mill in Indonesia and the Chongjin Steel Mill in North Korea still use steam engines for regular work. Even if it's only once in my entire life, I just want to see a steam engine doing REAL WORK!!!!
This was such a treat to watch! The shop worker who showed you around and spoke with your mom was so kind! What a wonderful adventure to have, I can't wait to see the next video too! It was really touching the way that even when you couldn't exchange all of the words to describe things, there was a mutual understanding of a love for the old locomotives and the shop and all the work involved. The shop worker's comment about seeing the smile in your soul really hit me with the feelings. What a great guy!
I'm betting if they are machining parts like they are, things will keep going for a while. He seemed like such a kind, loving man. They really keep things in good shape. Dirty, but square!
What a wonderful experience to have with your mother. Make anytime with her precious because you miss them when they go
"That one's carrying an extra main rod"
I think that's THE main rod lol
It's incredible to see kriegsloks still working the same line for almost 80 years. I honestly think this should become a national monument. The dedication of the workshop crews and everyone else envolved is truly admirable.
And if you're looking fkr a similar experience then you should come to Wolsztyn in Poland where you can whitness the last steam operated daily passenger service and once a year the international parade of steam locomotives. Las year we had representatives from Czechia, Luxembourg, Germany and Belgium aside from the native Polish fleet.
What a wonderful video!
12:35 like Burek almost 😂😂
Thanks hyce mom for this. It was great and great to see you happy exploring with Mark
Thank you Hyce for the video, and thank you Hycemom for making this tour possible! 😊
So are these the type of engines that Derail Valley modeled their steam after? I see a lot of similarities in design. Also kudos to Hyce-Mom! She built quick repertoire with that guy and got you basically unrestricted access! You probably made that guys day. Not everyday he meets tourists that share a common interest in nostalgic steam let alone one that works on them
The 0-6-0's are the the exact ones, yeah! The other engines no.
@@Hyce777 I just saw the reverser wheel? was similar in the 2-10-0 that you see in the S282 so I figured the 282 control cab may have shared some similarities based on the Kriegsloks... Side note hopefully ALTFUTURE includes an update expanding on their steam locomotives even though I can't seem to operate them to save my life lol
Grease and old iron smell the same everywhere I guess. The smile on the face of that gentleman as he noticed he just brought a kid to a toy store. 😂
Oh and thanks to mama Hyce for translating.
Manual Transmission.... Becoming as rare as seeing Steam on a mainline lol
Technically speaking, there is also the Harzer Schmalspurbahnen HSB in Germany, a narrow gauge railway that operates all year round and to a timetable, mainly with steam locomotives
Wow a historic locomotive. Fantastic . Have a great vacation
4:33 looking at those S100's with financially reckless intent. The inner preservationist says "Get one, bring it to America & restore it to running condition", fully knowing I have absolutely nowhere to put it.
That dude is awsome, and so is hyce mom. Itd be kinda funny to see what she said to the dude to get hyce and herself into the yards
Very cool you got see it, and very cool of Hycemom for translating! The bosnian dude was chill with you guys.
And you got to see the S060 for real! Maybe you'll be kinder to it now that you got to meet it in person.
If you ever plan a trip to Europe again. Make sure to visit the Netherlands and go to the VSM (Veluwsche Stoomtrein Maatschappij) museum railway and museum station/depot in Beekbergen. They have a bunch of these kriegloks in working condition. I would recommend attending their two-day event Terug Naar Toen (return to back then) when they have multiple steam locomotives active on an intense time table with both passenger trains and freight trains. Terug Naar Toen always takes place during the first full weekend of September.
10:56 climbes up ladder, RO!-Classics starts playing^^
21:00 Oh yea, just another shop tour, maybe a bit more... and then... Kenosha
China, one of the last countries still using steam just recently phased out their last steam locomotive in jan 14 of this year, which makes your visit all the more special, as you’re in the last bastion of these magnificent beasts.
S100's/ Class 62 (Yugo Yankee Tanks) are great locomotives. Quite a few S100's in the UK and 2x Class 62s as well, Made to look like the S100's With 30075 been on the footplate a few times when first restored.
That is so cool ! Seems like you have and an old soul . Keep passing the rail love !
Still in use for it's intented purpose hauling freight, after over 80 years, not a bad track record for a design to last for only about 8 years during a wide ranging war.
To me personally the Kriegslok designs (42/50/52), and their Allied Austerity counterparts to a degree too, are the best showcase of just how robust steam machines can and will be. They were build with the absolute minimum required amount of features to make them work and safe, with the expectation that they'd be running for 5 or so years before being worn down. And yet it were these Kriegsloks, cheap and economical as they are, that continued to be at the forefront of revenue steam wherever it remained beyond the 'normal' time period in which steam was fased out.
These Bosnians are in that regard of course the prime example: 80 years of almost uninterupted service out of machines that were build for 5.
On a sidenote: Sometimes, if the stars align, steamers sometimes pull revenue trains in Germany too. Earlier this summer, for example, when in Thuringia, in protest against bad track maintenance (the maximum axle load was forcefully lowered beneath the weight of the diesels in service because the track was too bad) a forestry line ran a Kriegslok as a substitute for its regular motive power, because it was allowed on the lowered axle load. Seeing an 80 year old steam engine get an over 1000 tonnes heavy rolling is an amazing sight. There's video's of this on TH-cam too for anyone interested.
That protest was the coolest crap. What a great move by the railway.
@@Hyce777 Then there was the time on December 21st 2009 that the snow shut down the 3rd rail system south of the Thames and it was "all hands on deck". By sheer coincidence, the country's newest express passenger locomotive happened to be on hand, and so a certain 100 mph Pacific was sent charging out into the snow with a trainload of commuters en route from London to Dover!
Or December 16, 1994, when SP 2472 had to deadhead down the Peninsula to San Jose, so at the last minute they coupled her onto the 7:00 out of San Francisco! According to the regularly scheduled engineer, he only learned about it when she backed down onto his F40PH! He then reports that aside from some help accelerating out of stations, 2472 did most of the work.
@@00Zy99 Oh yeah Tornado just entered service in 2008.
soon to be joined by another engine by the same group in their darlington works.
The One legged miner from Tecopa mines is in the general area touring the legendary Wieliczka salt mine in Wieliczka, Poland
Great video! On that note... You should visit Nördlingen in Germany or the harz narrow gauge railway.
"i got to run one" O_O
well now im excited for the next part :D
Oh man they scraped all the derail valley shutters 4:55
Those S100s look like they would be right at home on the ES&D
In Ljubljana, in the railway museum, the same locomotive, which drove the museum's trains until 2019, is better preserved, as well as 2 more locomotives. All these three locomotives are in the workshop, which is closed to the public and is in the same building where the rest of the non-working locomotives are parked. This workshop is located behind a door marked with an employee only sign.
That makes a lot of sense.
That was great Hyce, and BIG THANKS to Momma Hyce for translating, I bet it went a long way with your guide in the shop. Looking forward to tomorrows video where you run a Kriegslok. Interesting you burn bituminous in your engines, it's what I use in my forge. I just assumed you guys burned anthracite. I'll need to have a talk with my neighbour he started on the CPR back in the days of steam. The town I live in was a CPR divisional point once upon a time, gravity feed coaling shed, water tower, round house, all gone by the time I am able to remember. Although I do remember playing as a kid in the ruims of the roundhouse foundations, (depending who the yard watchman was at the time)
Anthracite is generally uncommon in locomotive usage. Some eastern roads like the Lehigh Valley, Lehigh & New England, Reading, and some Pennsy engines did IIRC; but it was not super common west-wise.
Between this and the railroader vid, we all love hyce mum!!