nice work dude. I like Goodmans, almost no warranty issues in Ohio. It is all about proper install. Heck, most use the same parts, from the same manufacturer, just have a different name. Love the videos keep em coming.
@@tomwalker9184 best warranty is york, in my area at least because we only have one york dealer but theyre service is incredible. But goodman is very good too in all aspects
Thats an interesting fault Steve! Don't think i ever seen the nut rust out before, but the rotalocks here are more like a king valve, they rust where the copper is soldered in, i keep a few in stock.
Not sure if I'll see the response: Would it help these units if the 'rotolock' had a coating of either fluid film or grease applied to the fittings once a year as a maintenance? Fluid film has been used for years to prevent rust and corrosion with automotive applications for decades... Just wondering if that would help extend the lift of the units.
I lived on the Gulf of Mexico. I think that power spikes were an issue, but no matter what the brand, no matter the maintenance schedule, we were lucky to get 5 years out of a compressor.
If you can live in a nice house like that.....you can buy a new dry charged condenser. I wouldn't want to attempt that roto lock removal and replacement. I know my luck...it would leak for sure! Your luck might be better than mine Steve.
Do you now this these units were rated for those kinda conditions? I know some are listed to handle salt and coastal air better. Never seen one so I dont know what the differences is.
how can you have only two outdoor units (condensers?) and 4 zones? i always thought you had to have an outdoor compressor (or is it condenser?) for every zone or are there two air handlers on each outdoor unit ? this is interesting
I had one just like that Steve, We changed the com and put on new roto locks, Had a problem with the bottom roto lock sealing, What a nightmare. Never again. I think that trane had a derailment. Hope you can get some video on the replacement.
there were 4 zones but 2 units, does that mean there are zone dampers on both the up and downstairs units supplying the east and west parts of the home? also what was the sqft of that house?
yes 4 zone dampers 2 on second 2 on first with 2 systems .i did not measure the sqaure footage of the house .the systems are over sized for house no dout.
Chad Tinsley depends ,all depends on job and if there is soft solder joints . i always change the line set if its easy to get to ,if its hard i might reuse it depends
Good video. Hey Steve have you had to take apart any fixed orifices at the Evaps this summer? Would love to see a video showing how to clean the strainer etc...
Well that's why I admitted I know nothing about the piston and wanted to see a video . I don't know why you called me a TRANE head or super tech though ... Especially considering my username is hvacrookie?
Good video steve. If you put in a goodman, take the trane logo off the front and put it onto the new unit. Im sure guys on youtube will get a good laugh.
steven lavimoniere When we have to buy OEM Trane parts for repairs we "pay heavily" for the parts. Special motor shaft sizes, factory draft inducer motors, etc. that you have to buy from them or try to "reinvent the wheel" to get an aftermarket part to work. In my world "it's the cost of doing business," but for service guys like yourself who resell the parts at a mark up, the customer must feel like they are being raped!
You pay for the reliability of a Trane. Sure it sucks parts are more money. A new compressor and roto-locks would fix that issue. Truthfully Trane's are engineered just a little better than the rest in my opinion but that's none of my business.... thanks for the video lav.
Very interesting video. Hey Steve! I heard on the news today that an ice cream truck driver got arrested for yelling at the kids. Glad to see it wasn't you...lol
usally 20 minites to the job i charge to travel there .if i work 8 hours i bill out for 8 travel is all part of it . i average 5 calls a day some days more
1/2 mile from any body of salt water presents a serious concern. Having lived and worked in the trades in such an environment for over 4 decades, has afforded me more than ample experience, allowing me to speak intelligibly about the topic. I have seen numerous occurrences where the longevity of items have been seriously diminished due to exposure to salt air. A/C Condensers (multiple makes and models), entry doors, joist hangers, galvanized fasteners, etc. etc. have failed to thrive. The moisture that settles out of the air in the evening has salt in it. When there is an on shore wind, it brings in salt. As we know all too well, Nor Easters drive salt laden air on shore at a tremendous volume.Marine grade stainless steel and other higher grade metals are designed to last in such an environment. If I found myself Discrediting any one particular product or manufacturer without accounting for it's Ambient environment, then I would find myself a fool. As mentioned multiple times by other individuals Rust was Definitely A factor that led to the demise of this unit. This response was not written in disrespect to any one particular individual. People look to internet sources, i.e. reviews and videos. both personal and technical. It is only fair that they be presented with accurate information in order for them to make intelligent well informed decisions. There Absolutely are products out there that will stand up to this environment. They just come at a higher cost..unfortunately..
Seen many rotalocks rust through ... see a lot of them blowing charge from where the aluminum coil turns to copper both on bad joints and rub through ... never understood that connection with heat shrink around it ... I have over 75 goodman heat pumps and condensers out in the field and all but two been running solid with no problems ... I love how everyone bashes Goodman but I've ripped out more aluminum spiney fun junker coils than any copper tube aluminum fin and replaced with goodman even miss match runs better than that trane American Standard junk
So what lower part of the compressor was leaking? You pointed to what sounded like rotolock, i see the compressor oil. And ya it would lose it's R22 charge, buying a new outdoor unit is always expensive. Is that train outdoor unit R22?
I seen the leak in the rotolock when you zoomed in with the camera, and i seen the nitrogen test. It was holding it's pressure, i think he would need to save up the money. And just buy a new outdoor unit, because fixing that rotolock. It just might leak still, oh and i seen what looked liked four thermostats? Or was it just three, so i was thinking he had four outdoor units. And sorry about my auto-correct it spelled trane the wroung way.
Always gotta keep an eye on the dehumidifiers, My family up north went through 2 of them, both had rusted out the drain pans and wrecked a hardwood floor (twice). When going after the maker (Kenmore) they where told the lawsuit would have to be done in China, as that's where the maker is. Clearly a bunch of B/S as sears didn't want to deal with it. It finally hit the insurance company and their lawyers went after Sears. No wonder they folded like a cheap camera....
It's only my opinion, but that compressor might have alot of bearing wear because of oil starvation because the R22 charge left in the system was 't brining oil back to the compressor. I didn't catch it, but was the compressor ever running?
steven lavimoniere Lennox is not a laugh. Goodman is the one you should be laughing about. Lennox has the most efficient and most quite units on the market today. We're talking about 25 SEER condensers and %98 AFUE furnaces and air handlers.
+Alex Boston lol Lennox may claim to be efficient but all the new stuff is garbage. I had one customer have to change his evap coil 3 times within 4 years, and their varriable speed end bells are the most moisture sensitive thing I've ever seen, a drop of water from a clogged drain, or a drip of sweat from brow and they are toast!!
+Alex Boston The best comes down to proper installation. Brand name matters very little these days as many manufacturers have facilities south of the border. The difference between brands is nothing more than flashy advertising campaigns. What is proper installation? "It's invisible to the untrained eye." ~and there you go.
I have ran into units less then 5 months old pegs blown out of the compressor leaks in evap coils condenser coils and get bitched by customers goodman units evap coils maytag forget it did 5 in one week these new units really suck here in central Florida
I can not believe people can blame a Trane unit for it being rusted on the OUTSIDE of a component.... so are you saying it would have rusted no matter what the environment was ?? And other units would not have rusted in the same environment? .... even if that had been a premium line and not a construction grade line unit, the steel would have still rusted in that environment there. The roto-lock Climatuff is now gone anyway as we no longer build recip. compressors.
Ted Cook Heating Service not all videos i post will be pretty and shinny units .i post wat i see . some guys get all up in arms over real life stuff . its all good who really cares anyway . i post real life working videos . i have to admit i did say thats stuff about trane just to piss off the trane lovers and i guess it worked i could give to flipps about any brand as long as it keeps running and cooling . i am not loyal to any make or brand .i fix them all
Quality rotolocks, huh? How much more would good quality metal in the rotolocks raise the cost of the unit? I think they used mild steel for the nuts. Mild steel has very little corrosion resistance, whereas an alloy would do well.
I understand, but, the seal is nor contingent upon the thread condition unless they are rotted off. The seal is made at the teflon gasket. I understand just like a flare is sealed at the face of the flare, because of our lack of faith in these seals we tend to use Nylog or Leak Lock as a back up, I do the same. I'm trying to get out of that habit. It's hard to break. as an experiment, I made a bad flare to purposely leak, and nylogged the flare nut, refrigerant had no problem getting through the sealant. The proper technique is to put refrigerant oil on the face of the flare. when its copper to steel, use copper flare gaskets, or double flare.
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I'm rehabbing a back injury and I am binge watching "Dr. Steve's" videos.....couldn't get any better
Wow that's a big arse house! That salt air is killing that unit!! Good work Steve!
***** something stopped these trane trash units
Great vid Steve, I like the way you went through the system to determine the problem, keep up the good work
Marcus English thanks for watching man
always remember a unit is no better than the installer or the maintainer. if neither is done right it will fail!
+tomcat27557 good comment very true
nice work dude. I like Goodmans, almost no warranty issues in Ohio. It is all about proper install. Heck, most use the same parts, from the same manufacturer, just have a different name. Love the videos keep em coming.
All Hours Maintenance thanks for the comment
It's hard to stop a GOODMAN
BEST WARRANTY IN THE HVAC INDUSTRY.
LARGEST MANUFACTURER IN THE WORLD
NO PROBLEM GETTING PARTS FROM DISTRIBUTOR.
@@tomwalker9184 best warranty is york, in my area at least because we only have one york dealer but theyre service is incredible. But goodman is very good too in all aspects
Paying Trane prices on a compressor and rotolock's for a builders model unit that would be crazy. Just replace the condenser and be done with it.
Larry Cole i gave the guy a price on a replacement condenser .not sure i want to play with that rusted out rotolock
I don't blame you!!
steven lavimoniere just change out the condenser. Those roto locks are so bad you will never get them off the compressor. Quality diagnosis.
Rob HVAC ya i gave him a price on condenser replacement .
Thats an interesting fault Steve! Don't think i ever seen the nut rust out before, but the rotalocks here are more like a king valve, they rust where the copper is soldered in, i keep a few in stock.
heavydiesel trane came up with this design and i see a lot of leaks at them dumb idea .for sure
Not sure if I'll see the response: Would it help these units if the 'rotolock' had a coating of either fluid film or grease applied to the fittings once a year as a maintenance? Fluid film has been used for years to prevent rust and corrosion with automotive applications for decades... Just wondering if that would help extend the lift of the units.
I lived on the Gulf of Mexico. I think that power spikes were an issue, but no matter what the brand, no matter the maintenance schedule, we were lucky to get 5 years out of a compressor.
Excellent work. Very interesting...thanks for posting.
Great work Steve!
Would the installation of a zink corosion grenade on the suction line of prolonged the rotor locks from deterioration?
If you can live in a nice house like that.....you can buy a new dry charged condenser. I wouldn't want to attempt that roto lock removal and replacement. I know my luck...it would leak for sure! Your luck might be better than mine Steve.
Fireship1 not sure i could get that roto lock off .. i told the guy that ,,replacement is a sure thing
Great video Steve. I would replace the unit because of the age of it.
teh60 thats what i was leaning to just replace the condenser
It's hard to start a Trane.
Do you now this these units were rated for those kinda conditions? I know some are listed to handle salt and coastal air better. Never seen one so I dont know what the differences is.
+Edward Sessum trane is great equipment high end if you can afford it .
Great video Steve
Harry Dickson trane is over rated
how can you have only two outdoor units (condensers?) and 4 zones?
i always thought you had to have an outdoor compressor (or is it condenser?) for every zone
or are there two air handlers on each outdoor unit ?
this is interesting
Temp there are 2 zone dampers inside at air handlers for each unit
I had one just like that Steve, We changed the com and put on new roto locks, Had a problem with the bottom roto lock sealing, What a nightmare. Never again. I think that trane had a derailment. Hope you can get some video on the replacement.
Arnie Grote i gave the guy a price on replacement he though i was high o well
there were 4 zones but 2 units, does that mean there are zone dampers on both the up and downstairs units supplying the east and west parts of the home?
also what was the sqft of that house?
yes 4 zone dampers 2 on second 2 on first with 2 systems .i did not measure the sqaure footage of the house .the systems are over sized for house no dout.
Epiccatsandkittens
If you switch to a 410a system would you have to change the lineset?
Chad Tinsley depends ,all depends on job and if there is soft solder joints . i always change the line set if its easy to get to ,if its hard i might reuse it depends
Ok thanks
I keep it simple, affordable, durable. Aluminum or copper evaps, copper condensers. Scrolls in particular now days, and I always look for a Copeland!
Good video. Hey Steve have you had to take apart any fixed orifices at the Evaps this summer? Would love to see a video showing how to clean the strainer etc...
Hvacrookie86 there is no strainer on a piston
thats right none of us are perfect .so get of your might horse . and play nice
Well that's why I admitted I know nothing about the piston and wanted to see a video . I don't know why you called me a TRANE head or super tech though ... Especially considering my username is hvacrookie?
Hvacrookie86 i was not calling you a trane head ..i was to the other guy that was leaving comments .
Great diagnostic work Steven
LOL@can't stop a trane my ass
dklucas1 trane is overrated
Good video steve. If you put in a goodman, take the trane logo off the front and put it onto the new unit. Im sure guys on youtube will get a good laugh.
PHC Apprentice I did that one time
talyn875 i should make a sign you can't stop a goodman ....would piss of the trane heads
steven lavimoniere yep. They anger easily.
Hey what h10 is that..with the loud buzzer
steven lavimoniere
That Frigidaire dehumidifier had a recall on it. They were catching fire I believe. They gave me full price for it. More money for ice cream ma!
Brian Barker not sure about any warrenty
it's just under 10 years, whats a trane warranty 5 or 10 years?
Dennis Noone its over 10 years old
Damn that salt air Steven!!! Trane parts are $$$$$$$$$!!!
Brad1237202 i gave the guy a price to change out the condenser he tough it was high ..
steven lavimoniere When we have to buy OEM Trane parts for repairs we "pay heavily" for the parts. Special motor shaft sizes, factory draft inducer motors, etc. that you have to buy from them or try to "reinvent the wheel" to get an aftermarket part to work. In my world "it's the cost of doing business," but for service guys like yourself who resell the parts at a mark up, the customer must feel like they are being raped!
You pay for the reliability of a Trane. Sure it sucks parts are more money. A new compressor and roto-locks would fix that issue. Truthfully Trane's are engineered just a little better than the rest in my opinion but that's none of my business.... thanks for the video lav.
+Carlos Caballero thanks for the comment
Just truth ChicagoModzz I wish they did pay me.... It all dies at some point, and that's where techs make $$$$
Very interesting video. Hey Steve! I heard on the news today that an ice cream truck driver got arrested for yelling at the kids. Glad to see it wasn't you...lol
Nicholas CeeA no not me i am well behaved
I live in a humid area, Norfolk Virginia. My home is 1260 sq ft, I was told we would need a 3 ton 16 Seer unit, is this true?
Yes
Just curious, what is the average stick time driving, you have on the road in a day?
usally 20 minites to the job i charge to travel there .if i work 8 hours i bill out for 8 travel is all part of it . i average 5 calls a day some days more
holy crap! You must not have to hit Rte 3 very much. What do you use for supply houses? RI Ref? Falmouth?
Yeah Steve salt water bad , nice find.
justin henning i do not believe its a salt water issue water is like 1/2 mile aways . and location of condensers are on back of house in a alcove .
1/2 mile from any body of salt water presents a serious concern. Having lived and worked in the trades in such an environment for over 4 decades, has afforded me more than ample experience, allowing me to speak intelligibly about the topic. I have seen numerous occurrences where the longevity of items have been seriously diminished due to exposure to salt air. A/C Condensers (multiple makes and models), entry doors, joist hangers, galvanized fasteners, etc. etc. have failed to thrive. The moisture that settles out of the air in the evening has salt in it. When there is an on shore wind, it brings in salt. As we know all too well, Nor Easters drive salt laden air on shore at a tremendous volume.Marine grade stainless steel and other higher grade metals are designed to last in such an environment. If I found myself Discrediting any one particular product or manufacturer without accounting for it's Ambient environment, then I would find myself a fool. As mentioned multiple times by other individuals Rust was Definitely A factor that led to the demise of this unit. This response was not written in disrespect to any one particular individual. People look to internet sources, i.e. reviews and videos. both personal and technical. It is only fair that they be presented with accurate information in order for them to make intelligent well informed decisions. There Absolutely are products out there that will stand up to this environment. They just come at a higher cost..unfortunately..
The one that died what kind of compressor is it radial?
the rotto locks rotted of the compressor and lost the charge .it was a trane weathertron compressor
+steven lavimoniere ok
Seen many rotalocks rust through ... see a lot of them blowing charge from where the aluminum coil turns to copper both on bad joints and rub through ... never understood that connection with heat shrink around it ... I have over 75 goodman heat pumps and condensers out in the field and all but two been running solid with no problems ... I love how everyone bashes Goodman but I've ripped out more aluminum spiney fun junker coils than any copper tube aluminum fin and replaced with goodman even miss match runs better than that trane American Standard junk
dennis postek good point i do believe trane is over rated .
So what lower part of the compressor was leaking? You pointed to what sounded like rotolock, i see the compressor oil. And ya it would lose it's R22 charge, buying a new outdoor unit is always expensive. Is that train outdoor unit R22?
Matchbox201000 yes it was r22 ,and yes buying a new unit is pricey . if the guy wants cooling he will have to pay the cash to get it fixed
I seen the leak in the rotolock when you zoomed in with the camera, and i seen the nitrogen test. It was holding it's pressure, i think he would need to save up the money. And just buy a new outdoor unit, because fixing that rotolock. It just might leak still, oh and i seen what looked liked four thermostats? Or was it just three, so i was thinking he had four outdoor units. And sorry about my auto-correct it spelled trane the wroung way.
2 system with zone dampers so 4 tsats
Steve, does the H 10 sense nitrogen?
thanks Jeff,
bradley morey no it senses r22 if you put nitrogen on top of r22 it will pick it up there was only 4 lbs in system anyway
thanks Steve,
Always gotta keep an eye on the dehumidifiers, My family up north went through 2 of them, both had rusted out the drain pans and wrecked a hardwood floor (twice). When going after the maker (Kenmore) they where told the lawsuit would have to be done in China, as that's where the maker is. Clearly a bunch of B/S as sears didn't want to deal with it.
It finally hit the insurance company and their lawyers went after Sears. No wonder they folded like a cheap camera....
the older ones dont rot out as quickly they are made of better metals.
It's only my opinion, but that compressor might have alot of bearing wear because of oil starvation because the R22 charge left in the system was 't brining oil back to the compressor. I didn't catch it, but was the compressor ever running?
ritewayguy not sure if the compressor was running 4 lbs standing pressure . not good . the guy ran it all weekend .
nice work.. :)
***** thanks man
steven lavimoniere ur welcome. :)
Is Trane the best HVAC on the market? I thought it was Lennox.
Alex Boston lennox lol thats a laugh
steven lavimoniere Lennox is not a laugh. Goodman is the one you should be laughing about. Lennox has the most efficient and most quite units on the market today. We're talking about 25 SEER condensers and %98 AFUE furnaces and air handlers.
+Alex Boston lol Lennox may claim to be efficient but all the new stuff is garbage. I had one customer have to change his evap coil 3 times within 4 years, and their varriable speed end bells are the most moisture sensitive thing I've ever seen, a drop of water from a clogged drain, or a drip of sweat from brow and they are toast!!
Mike Ranochak So what's a better brand in your opinion?
+Alex Boston The best comes down to proper installation. Brand name matters very little these days as many manufacturers have facilities south of the border. The difference between brands is nothing more than flashy advertising campaigns. What is proper installation? "It's invisible to the untrained eye." ~and there you go.
Higher level mama!!!
I have ran into units less then 5 months old pegs blown out of the compressor leaks in evap coils condenser coils and get bitched by customers goodman units evap coils maytag forget it did 5 in one week these new units really suck here in central Florida
Good video. hey where's that hackedfree dude now?
Cooll Asice he is shining/polishing his goodman units in the back yard there still running lol
Those rota locks dont do well in a salt air environment. I think now they make em all stainless steel
See good mate hove a great day mate
I can not believe people can blame a Trane unit for it being rusted on the OUTSIDE of a component.... so are you saying it would have rusted no matter what the environment was ?? And other units would not have rusted in the same environment? .... even if that had been a premium line and not a construction grade line unit, the steel would have still rusted in that environment there. The roto-lock Climatuff is now gone anyway as we no longer build recip. compressors.
Ted Cook Heating Service lol i do not hate trane just busting the trane heads lol lmao
steven lavimoniere Yea I hear ya man.... you still got the best channel on youtube for us HVAC guys hands down !!
Ted Cook Heating Service not all videos i post will be pretty and shinny units .i post wat i see . some guys get all up in arms over real life stuff . its all good who really cares anyway . i post real life working videos . i have to admit i did say thats stuff about trane just to piss off the trane lovers and i guess it worked i could give to flipps about any brand as long as it keeps running and cooling . i am not loyal to any make or brand .i fix them all
The trane left the building!!!
I just replaced a compressor and the rotolock fittings.
First Choice Service LLC ( StL MO) i bet it was big money
Wait til u try to gettem apart then one of your wrenches will shred that turd aluminum coil now the coil a leaker!
dennis postek lol @ turd aluminum coil don't let the trane heads see that they will shit a turkey lol
steven lavimoniere
Yeah it was a decent payout.
dennis postek
You have to have wrenches in all sizes, extensions works wonders.
Rust stopped the Trane!
ESDI80 lol pretty much
Can't stop a trane lol 😆 can't start one either lol
Trane,what a pain!
Nice
LOL!!!!!!! Good One!!!! Can't Stop A Trane my ASS!!!!!
Quality rotolocks, huh? How much more would good quality metal in the rotolocks raise the cost of the unit? I think they used mild steel for the nuts. Mild steel has very little corrosion resistance, whereas an alloy would do well.
ritewayguy rotolocks suck trane is overrated
Good tech
why not spend the ten bucks for a replacement Roto Loc? The compressor was fine…
threads were all rusted /rotted out ,not always that easy
I understand, but, the seal is nor contingent upon the thread condition unless they are rotted off. The seal is made at the teflon gasket. I understand just like a flare is sealed at the face of the flare, because of our lack of faith in these seals we tend to use Nylog or Leak Lock as a back up, I do the same. I'm trying to get out of that habit. It's hard to break. as an experiment, I made a bad flare to purposely leak, and nylogged the flare nut, refrigerant had no problem getting through the sealant. The proper technique is to put refrigerant oil on the face of the flare. when its copper to steel, use copper flare gaskets, or double flare.
10 year warranty out, if it was me I wouldn't mess around with it, new unit, harvest good parts from the old.
Truckguy900 Truckguy900 good advice
Those a.c. Units sound terrible
Thats what you get for throwing tools and parts into your bucket
Anyone who soft solder a condenser or heatpump lineset should have there teeth smashed out with steel toe logger boots.
you have nice videos but you do to unnecessary talking and playing around, some people wanna see straight action no talking and playing
Here's the replacement video
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Trane is overpriced JUNK
Steve was that unit close to salt water? if so i bet that is the reason it rotted like it did.
jm69charternet i believe a dog pissed on it .offen