One thing I believe makes this even better is cutting the foam earplugs into little pieces then filling the earmuffs with them. I was able to fit more foam in with less gap between foam. Also smaller pieces allows you to stuff the foam under the circuit board, wires, and corners.
Man, this video was 3 years ago but I just did this trick in my razors and it was night and day. I actually used extra dense sound proofing cut with an exacto knife and shooting with out my suppressors is very comfortable now. With the suppressors it’s perfect.
Just so you guys know, gel padded walkers have a nrr of 21 instead of 23 for similar models. I assume the gel pads arent as good for passively blocking noise. The small tradeoff for more comfort is up to you. With this trick though I'm sure it kicks the nrr up to safer levels. Thanks for the info!
I'm fairly certain the actual attenuation from the gels are better, the denser materials seems better at blocking firearm noises. The gels also seem to conform better and around hair which probably makes it better.
@@batman39400 It all depends on how the muffs are used. If you're getting bad seal without gel, then gel will definitely help. With my Peltor passive muffs though, when I reverted to non-gel, I noticed a huuuge difference in noise reduction. Most likely because I was getting a good seal either way. Even if the gels are infinitely more comfortable, I ended up reverting for when I'm at the range. Edit: Of course I'm talking about the cushions surrounding the ears.
Simple, relatively easy, cheap, effective, brilliant! Someone else had the suggestion to cut them up to fit even more in. Wonder how much 30+ foam plugs weigh though. Probably less noticeable at first, but ounces add up over hours. Still, more ear protection is better. Nice idea, definitely going to try it!
This is a great idea, lots of room in there for foamies. It's gotta help some! Finally found some use for those useless Walker foamies, since they won't stay in my ear anyway.
Walker razors where kinda lacking in the deadening department. I used poly fill for pillows from the fabric store, cut it in about 8" x 1" long strips and got it behind the speakers and really packed it in with a flat head. This worked wonderfully. Thank you! poly fill is also great as a cheap fish tank filter..
Now the real test is fill an entire shell with tube silicone like for a bathroom and let it dry. Cure times and viscosity are different for different colors when we use GE on the job site.
@@dougumbarger2758How is it possible that the electronics protect your ear? Stop trolling. Obviously ONLY the Plastic protects your ear. The electronic is just a microphone and loudspeaker. What's next? The earth is flat? Do I need to explain why stones falling on the ground because you doesn't believe in gravity? Are you dpmb? Are you serious?
@@dougumbarger2758Thats what normal people do- double up with foamies under the earmuffs. You just turn the volume up so you can still hear your surroundings with foamies in.
@@dougumbarger2758 ahhh just turn up the volume for talking to people. Double ear protection will always work better. We do this in the aircraft all the time (FA18 driver)
The wax style ear plugs are better than shown orange ones. Have you thought of filling the whole thing with wax style instead of orange style? Thank you
@@scienceofarms Yes. They really are the most proficient because an air seal is created. You'll see what I mean, then maybe you can better describe? Hey I just splurged $50 in California on those ear muffs with two AAA batteries, but here's the thing I am unable to tell if the volume knob is preventing external noise or increasing such? I wanted to return it and get ones that are not battery powered. So are the batteries actually resulting in what they call, "noise cancellation?" Are these battery powered ear muffs helping, even though I may not realize so? Thank you.
@@BrentAlanBeck I find that at a certain distance lets say 15-25 yards with pistols these muffs actually amplify loud noises so I always wear disposables underneath them and turn the knob at full volume. As far as the batteries I believe the quality of the battery affects performance of the noise cancellation. This also happens with red dot optics, if you use cheap batteries they do not perform as well as they do with nice quality batteries like energizers or Duracell pros/Duracell Optimum’s.
@@scienceofarms "...these muffs actually amplify loud noises" - SoA That's what I determined; especially when I saw in another video maybe I think where it was said; that the volume knob/batteries/amplification, serve a sole purpose of hearing someone else speak & to hear what they're saying, and NOT to cancel out noise! That's called a rip-off, taking more money for something they're falsely claiming. It's got nothing to do with stopping noise but hearing what your pal says while hunting. Two completely different SOLE functions, and I think the company sucks, doing that. They also never answered my email I sent them about this. They think they can get away with it because they're two steps removed from the store in California I purchased them at. I'd purchase Clark if I could. Since these people don't answer emails it serves even more that they're trying to get away with something, and spending $60 is bad for consumers and highly profitable for them from a product that does not work at all let alone work how & why they say it will work! Evil rip off. You say to the store employee, "I want the best" and they sell you something that is no where near the best. Now, quality of the batteries is a solid argument, but I think they're already working though with current battery's that are only serving in making noises louder because I don't have any buddy's I'm talking to. By the way, I'm using my muffs for sleep in an environment where I have rude neighbors slamming their doors four times at like 4AM. So thanks for your comment! Your comment makes perfect sense and is what I suspected. Too bad the muff company couldn't own up to what you're telling me?! Thank you
@@norcalpbnation2612 I actually just recently bought a new pair of Od Green Patriots, went to change to gell cups and I noticed there was already factory inserted hard foam filling that empty space. Guess Walker’s seen everyone’s videos on this and made changes lol.
@@apsaffles531 yes it works well. Both methods work. If you use the foam ear plugs cut them up small. I cut each piece up in like 6-8 pieces. So I could fill all the small spots and just get it packed in pretty well.
The reason our ears are shaped like they are is so they catch sound. Think of sound from a firearm as fast moving air. With your ears covered alone the initial sound/rapid air movement into your ear is blocked by the muff itself. The sound is then manipulated by the electronics of the muff and then into your ear. The only thing your doing by filling it with earplugs is deadening outside sound more......when they're turned off. It does next to nothing for any actual use
Wrong. Electronic muffs protect your hearing by shutting off the speakers and working as passive muffs. Filling the inside of the cup with more sound deadening foam would make it work better as passive muffs. How do you think passive muffs provide such high NRR?
This mod will make it where you can turn the mic down as well. I put some sound deading mat in all my headphones. I have never done the in ear hearing protection stuffed into the cups but I'll bite. It is going to reduce resonance so I can see it having some benefits. I think I might try acoustic fiber like poly fill as well.
I thought that thumbnail was clickbait, but the video actually delivered.
Saw the mod yesterday and did it today. I could immediately tell the difference in my Peltor 500s.
One thing I believe makes this even better is cutting the foam earplugs into little pieces then filling the earmuffs with them. I was able to fit more foam in with less gap between foam. Also smaller pieces allows you to stuff the foam under the circuit board, wires, and corners.
Have you tried this and it works without damaging the circuit board?
Yeah, they survived a 4 hour long training class and one or two trips to the indoor range. Haven’t been to the range in a couple months since then
For non-electronic ones: why not use spray-foam gap-filler?
Man, this video was 3 years ago but I just did this trick in my razors and it was night and day. I actually used extra dense sound proofing cut with an exacto knife and shooting with out my suppressors is very comfortable now. With the suppressors it’s perfect.
Just so you guys know, gel padded walkers have a nrr of 21 instead of 23 for similar models. I assume the gel pads arent as good for passively blocking noise. The small tradeoff for more comfort is up to you. With this trick though I'm sure it kicks the nrr up to safer levels. Thanks for the info!
I'm fairly certain the actual attenuation from the gels are better, the denser materials seems better at blocking firearm noises. The gels also seem to conform better and around hair which probably makes it better.
Are you d0mb? Stop lying. It's the exact opposite of what you said.
Gel pads are safer.
But Yeah, you're right. The US MILITARY probably is just lying.
@@batman39400 It all depends on how the muffs are used. If you're getting bad seal without gel, then gel will definitely help.
With my Peltor passive muffs though, when I reverted to non-gel, I noticed a huuuge difference in noise reduction. Most likely because I was getting a good seal either way. Even if the gels are infinitely more comfortable, I ended up reverting for when I'm at the range.
Edit: Of course I'm talking about the cushions surrounding the ears.
Awesome Idea! Should try this with Dynamat... perfectly cut out to fit, then layer it.
Let me know how that dynamat works out!
Edit: I read your comment wrong, Ill try it out with dynamat for sure!
@@scienceofarmsdid you try it?
Did it work??😂
i Tried it and worked great good job man and thank you for the info.
Simple, relatively easy, cheap, effective, brilliant! Someone else had the suggestion to cut them up to fit even more in. Wonder how much 30+ foam plugs weigh though. Probably less noticeable at first, but ounces add up over hours. Still, more ear protection is better. Nice idea, definitely going to try it!
This is a great idea, lots of room in there for foamies. It's gotta help some! Finally found some use for those useless Walker foamies, since they won't stay in my ear anyway.
Walker razors where kinda lacking in the deadening department. I used poly fill for pillows from the fabric store, cut it in about 8" x 1" long strips and got it behind the speakers and really packed it in with a flat head. This worked wonderfully. Thank you!
poly fill is also great as a cheap fish tank filter..
Now the real test is fill an entire shell with tube silicone like for a bathroom and let it dry. Cure times and viscosity are different for different colors when we use GE on the job site.
Thank you for your support!
I tried this. I couldn't notice a difference at all. I'm not impressed with the Walkers Razor at all. I will be returning them
This is a great tip. I will be buying some foam to try this out.
Lol i did this with my OpsCore Amps, which has pretty bad dB protection. Super weird since they are $2k+
This worked well on my razors
freakin awesome, thank you ! would you say these helped with indoor ranges ? i always double up but it would be nice if this mod makes them better
That’s insane that it’s just a freaking plastic shell, I really don’t understand how that deadens anything either lol
The electronics do the job- not the plastic!
@@dougumbarger2758Are you d0mb? Stop trolling. it's not even funny.
@@dougumbarger2758How is it possible that the electronics protect your ear? Stop trolling.
Obviously ONLY the Plastic protects your ear. The electronic is just a microphone and loudspeaker.
What's next? The earth is flat?
Do I need to explain why stones falling on the ground because you doesn't believe in gravity?
Are you dpmb? Are you serious?
@@dougumbarger2758the electronics don't deaden anything.
@@dougumbarger2758no it doesn’t moron lol
Society if the manufacturer just stuffed ear plugs in their headsets from the factory
Those are foam pads on the Caldwel's, not gel pads.
I seen someone did this but they used spray foam n just used a razor blade to trim it
That's what I'm thinking.
Careful with expanding spray foam. It can be destructive
Wow that’s insane thanks for the tip I’m going to try this out
This is a good idea but it's a lot easier and likely at least as effective to just use the plugs along with.
Very true, how about doing both methods in tandem?!?! LOL
Wrong! NOT as good if you have electronic earmuffs- if you put in earplugs then you can't hear what's around you and your electronics are negated.
@@dougumbarger2758Thats what normal people do- double up with foamies under the earmuffs. You just turn the volume up so you can still hear your surroundings with foamies in.
@@dougumbarger2758 ahhh just turn up the volume for talking to people. Double ear protection will always work better. We do this in the aircraft all the time (FA18 driver)
The wax style ear plugs are better than shown orange ones. Have you thought of filling the whole thing with wax style instead of orange style? Thank you
No I actually have never even tried the wax ones. I will definitely try them soon though.
@@scienceofarms
Yes. They really are the most proficient because an air seal is created. You'll see what I mean, then maybe you can better describe?
Hey I just splurged $50 in California on those ear muffs with two AAA batteries, but here's the thing I am unable to tell if the volume knob is preventing external noise or increasing such?
I wanted to return it and get ones that are not battery powered. So are the batteries actually resulting in what they call, "noise cancellation?" Are these battery powered ear muffs helping, even though I may not realize so?
Thank you.
@@BrentAlanBeck I find that at a certain distance lets say 15-25 yards with pistols these muffs actually amplify loud noises so I always wear disposables underneath them and turn the knob at full volume. As far as the batteries I believe the quality of the battery affects performance of the noise cancellation. This also happens with red dot optics, if you use cheap batteries they do not perform as well as they do with nice quality batteries like energizers or Duracell pros/Duracell Optimum’s.
@@BrentAlanBeck I highly recommend getting 33db in ear plugs and wearing these electronic ear muffs over them.
@@scienceofarms "...these muffs actually amplify loud noises" - SoA That's what I determined; especially when I saw in another video maybe I think where it was said; that the volume knob/batteries/amplification, serve a sole purpose of hearing someone else speak & to hear what they're saying, and NOT to cancel out noise! That's called a rip-off, taking more money for something they're falsely claiming. It's got nothing to do with stopping noise but hearing what your pal says while hunting. Two completely different SOLE functions, and I think the company sucks, doing that. They also never answered my email I sent them about this. They think they can get away with it because they're two steps removed from the store in California I purchased them at.
I'd purchase Clark if I could.
Since these people don't answer emails it serves even more that they're trying to get away with something, and spending $60 is bad for consumers and highly profitable for them from a product that does not work at all let alone work how & why they say it will work! Evil rip off.
You say to the store employee, "I want the best" and they sell you something that is no where near the best.
Now, quality of the batteries is a solid argument, but I think they're already working though with current battery's that are only serving in making noises louder because I don't have any buddy's I'm talking to.
By the way, I'm using my muffs for sleep in an environment where I have rude neighbors slamming their doors four times at like 4AM.
So thanks for your comment! Your comment makes perfect sense and is what I suspected.
Too bad the muff company couldn't own up to what you're telling me?!
Thank you
Sounds Good! I think I'll listen.
This is hilarious! Thank you.
Why not just use expanding foam or something?
The expansion process would most likely over-expand and cause damage.
Then just use non expanding foam
@@norcalpbnation2612 I actually just recently bought a new pair of Od Green Patriots, went to change to gell cups and I noticed there was already factory inserted hard foam filling that empty space.
Guess Walker’s seen everyone’s videos on this and made changes lol.
Why not just use spray foam ? Then trim excess after it expands
I was just thinking about this. I wonder if it’s too dense/crispy enough when set up to transfer that sound through it
@@MastaBlasta242 i dont know maybe an open cell foam may work possibly something like a window foam. It would be an interesting experiment for sure
As the foam expands (and hardens) it could screw up the electronics/wiring, etc... Soft foam is the way to go!
I have an old set I’m going to experiment with this weekend they work for sound but the mic stoped working
The "sale" is now $15.72, incredible inflation, the regular price was jacked 5 bucks.
Don't go cheap with your hearing. Once it's gone, it's gone for good.
These Ones? You mean these or this one.
Cut up yoga mat works wsh better
I have also filled them with apoxy
Did it work out well for you?
@@apsaffles531 yes it works well. Both methods work. If you use the foam ear plugs cut them up small. I cut each piece up in like 6-8 pieces. So I could fill all the small spots and just get it packed in pretty well.
Seems like this would only apply more plastic??
The reason our ears are shaped like they are is so they catch sound. Think of sound from a firearm as fast moving air. With your ears covered alone the initial sound/rapid air movement into your ear is blocked by the muff itself. The sound is then manipulated by the electronics of the muff and then into your ear. The only thing your doing by filling it with earplugs is deadening outside sound more......when they're turned off. It does next to nothing for any actual use
Wrong. Electronic muffs protect your hearing by shutting off the speakers and working as passive muffs. Filling the inside of the cup with more sound deadening foam would make it work better as passive muffs. How do you think passive muffs provide such high NRR?
Your reasoning is not logic
What outside sound?? OH, you mean the GUNSHOT??? LMAO!! Exactly what you want deadened? HAHAHA!
This mod will make it where you can turn the mic down as well. I put some sound deading mat in all my headphones. I have never done the in ear hearing protection stuffed into the cups but I'll bite. It is going to reduce resonance so I can see it having some benefits. I think I might try acoustic fiber like poly fill as well.
If you got to go that far extensive work to make them better my new pair and get rid of the f****** garbage you've got