There's a horror noir section of black culture that centers around all black horror movies and has a strong following that many black folk don't know they're already a part of. We support our horror noir actors and directors without needing the approval from yt folk or anyone else. The films will be small and obscure sometimes but they're niche and unapologetically our thing like that movie Spell. Black comics and animation need that same Renaissance so Blerds won't feel the need to blackify something that was never intended for us
I’m glad you pointed this out @mrcead, I had no idea about this black horror scene. I’ll have to check it out. But yes , I feel that blerds don’t want to build or support something from the ground up. They want the mainstream acceptance and like-ability. Instead of a decent grass roots independent creator made anime to support they would need something from Meg the Stallion to rally about.
When you don't control or gate-keep who you are, others can co-op your culture. Also, those who desire acceptance into the mainstream culture think it's flattering to have a non-Black interested in anything Black, they say it's okay. They give those individuals honorary status. Anime has its own issues of racism. The Japanese don't depict themselves ethnically. They view themselves as White, so your heroes will be depicted as such. Black people desire to be a part of something, so they will say characters like Piccolo are Black, and not going for the obvious character like Mr. Po-po.
For some strange reason this is a controversial or unpopular opinion among the younger generation. I said the exact same thing you said in our follow up to this video.
To be fair, the Japanese are infamously called the "White people" of Asians.I even saw a video where a zesty dude called straight Black men the "White people" of Blacks.
That "Japanese don't depict themselves ethnically" argument has been debunked too many times to count. Surprised there's anyone who believes that nonsense.
If this guy says “pacific” one more damn time…🤦🏽♂️ Lmao anyway, I just finished the video and I agree 100%. This is gonna be a controversial take and I’m gonna take it a bit further here, but…this is also the reason why I detest The Little Mermaid remake with Halle Bailey. The “black collective” keeps trying to turn characters who aren’t black into honorary black figures all for the sake of representation and inclusion. But it’s hella ironic because what they fail to realize is how this cheapens black culture and the black experience as a result. We protest about proper representation but we allow Disney to do the bare minimum by slapping black skin onto Ariel and while still making such a subpar box office movie…but we eat it up like candy because now she looks like us. Yet this could’ve been the perfect opportunity for Disney to turn one of Ariel’s black mermaid friend and fellow princess into a full-fledged movie of her own. We code Piccolo and Knuckles just because they have a more “black” personality/demeanor or because Knux was given a couple of rap tracks in SA2B. That doesn’t automatically make them black. I used to see people coding Shadow as black because he’s a ngga with a glock… Like first of all, is that how we really want to be represented? Second of all, that doesn’t correlate to Shadow being black in ANY way. I kinda gave up on the blerd community for this very reason. I just can’t fvck with it
Other than roasting the D Smith😂😂 I agree with you. That was the entire point I was trying to make. For some reason we caught a lot of heat for bringing this up as a topic. The blerds are falling for the okie doke. Thanks for checking us out 💯🥃
kinda true, colored folk back then watching and seeing these anime or game characters as they were being released in the 80s and 90s never were thinking that shit. thats def a modern thing.
They definitely were. I don't know who you hung out with where people were not saying that Sonic was definitely Black, but as the generation who he was created for, let me reassure you that we did indeed verify him as Black
@@Animefreak242 i was the only Sega kid i knew. had Seha Channel, Saturn, and Dreamcast day one and avoided all other consoles so i've been with Sonic since the beginning and not once did anyone ever think that shit, maybe about knuckles but that was after sonic 3 came out : P
Piccolo was based off a Black Moor clearly and we ascribe "Black" mannerisms to characters when we dont see ourselves in film. But they coulda just made these characters Black but thats too much like right.
I mean we had the racial draft with the Chappelle show but in the year 2024 is there really a need to even do it anymore with all the access to black characters in different mediums?
@@bhndtheseen9540 I hear you. It's definitely an artifact from a time when we had so little representation. It will probably go away in a few decades. I also think it's a part having our own culture appropriated so when we see a glimpse of it we try and take *something* back to have as our own.
@@markj3169 You make a valid point, it’s a layered issue. The acceptance of the appropriation is at the root of the point I was trying to make. There is no such thing as “a thing of ours” to borrow from the sopranos. BS all around imo.
Imagine if Magneto and Professor X were Black like Martin and Malcolm. We would have never knew them, because it would have got shut down. So sometimes we ascribe Black mannerisms to our favs because thats the closest we have in film that resembles us. Sad but true and you highlighting this may change that.
It’d would be great if it did bring about a change. Strangely enough there is a group of people who think it’s wrong to even bring up the questions asked in this particular video 🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
@bhndtheseen I get the point of this 9 mins, I understand his message, but this video could have been cut down to 1 min of value, the rest repetitive boredom, to deliver a message, the devaluation of ethnic culture happens with every culture in America, the more celebrations of everything of specific cultures devalues it more and more....like printing money the more the us dollar is printed the less value it holds, the memes aren't so worriesome, as alllllll the new holidays every culture and group is celebrating it gets watered down.
The devaluation of a culture when there is a monetary gain attached is a completely different issue that warrants a separate discussion. To devalue your culture for shits and giggles or a feeling of validation is even crazier. The area of concern is the lack of awareness in how this could be viewed.
I wasn't talking about devaluing a culture when it is related to monetary gain, at all..... You present a interesting point though, for example, and I've heard this argument for years, black people sometimes use the n word, a lot when they speak referring to friends or whomever, but when white people use it, it's evil and racist but the words been devalued by over use for a long time, so why can't white people use it too??.... But your argument solves that problem..... And I agree with it.... You are right, people don't understand the full extent of the consequences of their actions, then get mad when someone else wants to participate in the celebration of the joke. It's interesting
I get what the brother is saying and agree for the most part, but Piccolo and the Namekians are definitely based on Black people lol. Specifically the Moors. Could have used a better example. Peace 💯
@@bhndtheseen9540 lmao Mr popo is supposed to be a Genie. Toriyama definitely pulled from those old western cartoon/art stereotypes, and he wasn't the only one. Those depictions of us were broadcasted overseas as well. Unfortunately your gonna find that stuff in SOME older anime/manga. works.
@@Unclejack328 I watched a breakdown by modern Moors like a decade ago. Piccolo is literally wearing moorish garb. There is a picture out there of Malcolm X wearing something similar with the shoulder guards and everything.
Great points but since they didn't have race in Transformers cartoons I see Sound Wave as Black and GI Joe's Destro was a Brother dipped in silver. Lord Vader was Black in color and voice (James Earl Jones) but Anikan was white.
Is this a respectability politics argument? For blerds?!?!😭😭😭 The thing with that group is… they’re blerds. That’s why they like that shit. If they can put themselves into a story that’s captured their imagination they’re going to… I agree about the no honorary blacks but fantasy characters… or black coded head canon? This is how nerd fandoms work… it’s just Black specific when it’s Blerds. There IS a line but this ain’t it chief
If that’s the case then it’s nasty work all around respectfully. I’ve never been a blerd so my observation is from an outside perspective. My co-host was labeled anti-black for making an argument similar to the one I made.
@@Unclejack328 you ever see non Black people be REALLY into hip hop? Tapers, Wu Tang tattoos and all? That’s what the Blerds are. I could understand outside people thinking it’s corny but not an overall detriment to the community at large.
We used to say piccolo was black because he had the mannerism of a stoic black conscious moorish man. He was relatable because as smart as piccolo was he still was not seen as mighty as the blonde hair blue eyed super saiyan. Now we're in this generation where black men are more like their mothers so they don't relate or see why we compared. Or gave him the "honorary black card"
That’s an even bigger problem. I take being a black man and a father seriously. I’m not a fan of giving out invites to the cookout when we already have the greatest culture in history.
@@Unclejack328 you can't invite a cartoon character to a cook out. When we say piccolo was black were simply saying he's the most relatable character on the show. Blerds are seriously overthinking this 🤣🤣🤣
@@illuminated_crown 🤦🏾♂️. Clearly we are making two different points here, so let’s get to it. The issue here is not about fictional characters, the issue is black history month. Piccolo, Sonic, and all these characters that have been “coded” are not apart of black history. Pretending that they are defeats the purpose of celebrating real people who have made contributions to our history. Let’s talk about it.
@@Unclejack328 well I'm part of the generation that said piccolo was black. We said it as a JOKE. We wasnt saying piccolo should be listed amongst George Washington Carver or WEB Dubois. We just jokingly said "piccolo a niqqax". Now here come yall gen z with this super introspective review of the origins of why we "coded" this character black. .....it was not that serious then. And it shouldn't be a debate now. It was a joke. For fun. We were fully aware japanese creators wasn't thinking about us when making piccolo. That's literally half the joke in itself. We stole him .
@@illuminated_crown I’m sorry man. I love dragon ball z and Piccolo but I can’t give Toriyama the credit for basing the Namekians on Moors and black culture while at the same time he designed Mr. Popo.
There's a horror noir section of black culture that centers around all black horror movies and has a strong following that many black folk don't know they're already a part of. We support our horror noir actors and directors without needing the approval from yt folk or anyone else. The films will be small and obscure sometimes but they're niche and unapologetically our thing like that movie Spell. Black comics and animation need that same Renaissance so Blerds won't feel the need to blackify something that was never intended for us
I’m glad you pointed this out @mrcead, I had no idea about this black horror scene. I’ll have to check it out. But yes , I feel that blerds don’t want to build or support something from the ground up. They want the mainstream acceptance and like-ability. Instead of a decent grass roots independent creator made anime to support they would need something from Meg the Stallion to rally about.
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When you don't control or gate-keep who you are, others can co-op your culture. Also, those who desire acceptance into the mainstream culture think it's flattering to have a non-Black interested in anything Black, they say it's okay. They give those individuals honorary status.
Anime has its own issues of racism. The Japanese don't depict themselves ethnically. They view themselves as White, so your heroes will be depicted as such. Black people desire to be a part of something, so they will say characters like Piccolo are Black, and not going for the obvious character like Mr. Po-po.
For some strange reason this is a controversial or unpopular opinion among the younger generation. I said the exact same thing you said in our follow up to this video.
Right on Marv.
To be fair, the Japanese are infamously called the "White people" of Asians.I even saw a video where a zesty dude called straight Black men the "White people" of Blacks.
That "Japanese don't depict themselves ethnically" argument has been debunked too many times to count. Surprised there's anyone who believes that nonsense.
I agree but Japanese people do not see themselves as white. Japan is historically a culture that is nationalist and homogeneous.
If this guy says “pacific” one more damn time…🤦🏽♂️
Lmao anyway, I just finished the video and I agree 100%. This is gonna be a controversial take and I’m gonna take it a bit further here, but…this is also the reason why I detest The Little Mermaid remake with Halle Bailey. The “black collective” keeps trying to turn characters who aren’t black into honorary black figures all for the sake of representation and inclusion. But it’s hella ironic because what they fail to realize is how this cheapens black culture and the black experience as a result. We protest about proper representation but we allow Disney to do the bare minimum by slapping black skin onto Ariel and while still making such a subpar box office movie…but we eat it up like candy because now she looks like us. Yet this could’ve been the perfect opportunity for Disney to turn one of Ariel’s black mermaid friend and fellow princess into a full-fledged movie of her own.
We code Piccolo and Knuckles just because they have a more “black” personality/demeanor or because Knux was given a couple of rap tracks in SA2B. That doesn’t automatically make them black. I used to see people coding Shadow as black because he’s a ngga with a glock…
Like first of all, is that how we really want to be represented? Second of all, that doesn’t correlate to Shadow being black in ANY way.
I kinda gave up on the blerd community for this very reason. I just can’t fvck with it
Other than roasting the D Smith😂😂 I agree with you. That was the entire point I was trying to make. For some reason we caught a lot of heat for bringing this up as a topic. The blerds are falling for the okie doke. Thanks for checking us out 💯🥃
I gotta get on this podcast
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kinda true, colored folk back then watching and seeing these anime or game characters as they were being released in the 80s and 90s never were thinking that shit. thats def a modern thing.
They definitely were. I don't know who you hung out with where people were not saying that Sonic was definitely Black, but as the generation who he was created for, let me reassure you that we did indeed verify him as Black
@@Animefreak242 i was the only Sega kid i knew. had Seha Channel, Saturn, and Dreamcast day one and avoided all other consoles so i've been with Sonic since the beginning and not once did anyone ever think that shit, maybe about knuckles but that was after sonic 3 came out : P
@@krono5elFacts
Piccolo was based off a Black Moor clearly and we ascribe "Black" mannerisms to characters when we dont see ourselves in film. But they coulda just made these characters Black but thats too much like right.
So what about Mr. Popo and Officer Black?
DBZ is racist as is the creator
Dropping bars with this one. All heat right here.
They not hearing me bro!!
My counter point is that for better or for worse it is part of Black culture to make fictional characters that we identify with, Black.
I mean we had the racial draft with the Chappelle show but in the year 2024 is there really a need to even do it anymore with all the access to black characters in different mediums?
@@bhndtheseen9540 I hear you. It's definitely an artifact from a time when we had so little representation. It will probably go away in a few decades. I also think it's a part having our own culture appropriated so when we see a glimpse of it we try and take *something* back to have as our own.
@@markj3169 You make a valid point, it’s a layered issue. The acceptance of the appropriation is at the root of the point I was trying to make. There is no such thing as “a thing of ours” to borrow from the sopranos. BS all around imo.
Can i opt out of this section of black culture on my taxes?
@@Unclejack328 I can dig it. 🤜🏿
Imagine if Magneto and Professor X were Black like Martin and Malcolm. We would have never knew them, because it would have got shut down. So sometimes we ascribe Black mannerisms to our favs because thats the closest we have in film that resembles us. Sad but true and you highlighting this may change that.
It’d would be great if it did bring about a change. Strangely enough there is a group of people who think it’s wrong to even bring up the questions asked in this particular video 🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Would X-Men be the same if they were black 🤔
@@bhndtheseen9540 Could’ve sworn they did this last year 😅
@bhndtheseen I get the point of this 9 mins, I understand his message, but this video could have been cut down to 1 min of value, the rest repetitive boredom, to deliver a message, the devaluation of ethnic culture happens with every culture in America, the more celebrations of everything of specific cultures devalues it more and more....like printing money the more the us dollar is printed the less value it holds, the memes aren't so worriesome, as alllllll the new holidays every culture and group is celebrating it gets watered down.
The devaluation of a culture when there is a monetary gain attached is a completely different issue that warrants a separate discussion. To devalue your culture for shits and giggles or a feeling of validation is even crazier. The area of concern is the lack of awareness in how this could be viewed.
I wasn't talking about devaluing a culture when it is related to monetary gain, at all.....
You present a interesting point though, for example, and I've heard this argument for years, black people sometimes use the n word, a lot when they speak referring to friends or whomever, but when white people use it, it's evil and racist but the words been devalued by over use for a long time, so why can't white people use it too??.... But your argument solves that problem..... And I agree with it.... You are right, people don't understand the full extent of the consequences of their actions, then get mad when someone else wants to participate in the celebration of the joke. It's interesting
Thanks for the input @jamesgianoulakos854. We’ll definitely do a short of this vid. Appreciate the comment . Respect.
@@jamesgianoulakis854🤝🏾💯🥃
I get what the brother is saying and agree for the most part, but Piccolo and the Namekians are definitely based on Black people lol. Specifically the Moors. Could have used a better example. Peace 💯
So if Toriyama used the Moors as a reference for the Namekians what did he use for Mr. Popo and other big lipped niggas in the show ?
That’s giving Toriyama ALOT of credit without it ever being confirmed by the man himself.
imagine believing that we wuz kangz nonsense.
@@bhndtheseen9540 lmao Mr popo is supposed to be a Genie. Toriyama definitely pulled from those old western cartoon/art stereotypes, and he wasn't the only one. Those depictions of us were broadcasted overseas as well. Unfortunately your gonna find that stuff in SOME older anime/manga. works.
@@Unclejack328 I watched a breakdown by modern Moors like a decade ago. Piccolo is literally wearing moorish garb. There is a picture out there of Malcolm X wearing something similar with the shoulder guards and everything.
Great points but since they didn't have race in Transformers cartoons I see Sound Wave as Black and GI Joe's Destro was a Brother dipped in silver. Lord Vader was Black in color and voice (James Earl Jones) but Anikan was white.
GI Joe’s Destro is sort of like Spider-Man’s Tombstone. I can see that.
LETS TALK ABOUT IT
Every year my friend. Every year.
Same energy 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
Sonic the hedgehog . That’s my boy but he a hedgehog not a black person . Yes a freedom fighter . But these new blacks are goofy
I understand the love and reverence for these characters but we gotta draw a line man.
All I can say is that I agree, they jumped out the window this year.
Go ahead and let us know who the voice actor for Sonic the hedgehog is since inception
@@Animefreak242are you asking for the first voice actor for Sonic ? That would be Takeshi Kusao
@@Animefreak242 🤦🏾♂️
The saga continues……
Always
Is this a respectability politics argument? For blerds?!?!😭😭😭 The thing with that group is… they’re blerds. That’s why they like that shit. If they can put themselves into a story that’s captured their imagination they’re going to… I agree about the no honorary blacks but fantasy characters… or black coded head canon? This is how nerd fandoms work… it’s just Black specific when it’s Blerds. There IS a line but this ain’t it chief
If that’s the case then it’s nasty work all around respectfully. I’ve never been a blerd so my observation is from an outside perspective. My co-host was labeled anti-black for making an argument similar to the one I made.
@kingjoeblack5 the blerds want it all.
@@bhndtheseen9540 of course they do… they’re into escapist fantasy.
@@Unclejack328 you ever see non Black people be REALLY into hip hop? Tapers, Wu Tang tattoos and all? That’s what the Blerds are. I could understand outside people thinking it’s corny but not an overall detriment to the community at large.
@@kingjoeblack5 I can respect that point of view. Again I’m not a gatekeeper or a hater. I’m just standing on my opinion 🤝🏾🥃
We used to say piccolo was black because he had the mannerism of a stoic black conscious moorish man. He was relatable because as smart as piccolo was he still was not seen as mighty as the blonde hair blue eyed super saiyan. Now we're in this generation where black men are more like their mothers so they don't relate or see why we compared. Or gave him the "honorary black card"
That’s an even bigger problem. I take being a black man and a father seriously. I’m not a fan of giving out invites to the cookout when we already have the greatest culture in history.
@@Unclejack328 you can't invite a cartoon character to a cook out. When we say piccolo was black were simply saying he's the most relatable character on the show. Blerds are seriously overthinking this 🤣🤣🤣
@@illuminated_crown 🤦🏾♂️. Clearly we are making two different points here, so let’s get to it. The issue here is not about fictional characters, the issue is black history month. Piccolo, Sonic, and all these characters that have been “coded” are not apart of black history. Pretending that they are defeats the purpose of celebrating real people who have made contributions to our history. Let’s talk about it.
@@Unclejack328 well I'm part of the generation that said piccolo was black. We said it as a JOKE. We wasnt saying piccolo should be listed amongst George Washington Carver or WEB Dubois. We just jokingly said "piccolo a niqqax". Now here come yall gen z with this super introspective review of the origins of why we "coded" this character black. .....it was not that serious then. And it shouldn't be a debate now. It was a joke. For fun. We were fully aware japanese creators wasn't thinking about us when making piccolo. That's literally half the joke in itself. We stole him .
@@illuminated_crown I’m sorry man. I love dragon ball z and Piccolo but I can’t give Toriyama the credit for basing the Namekians on Moors and black culture while at the same time he designed Mr. Popo.
maybe you can figure out how to say the word shit even more often. does a lot to promote the idea of the value of black culture.
😂😂😂 any other useful feedback you care to share?
On a scale of 1-10 how cooked is the culture ?
don't say "shit" when you are trying to be taken seriously discussing cultural matters!!@@Unclejack328