I have confidence to DIY from your video cause it’s been years since I’ve done a clutch job let alone a TOB job. Do you have an extended version from start from pulling apart the car to torque specs when installing? Really would be helpful!
Nice. I would love to see this applied to the WRX and STI. On a side note. The s13 KA transmission and I think the AE 86 used that same TOB design too. Nissan doesn't sell the closed face bearing anymore, which doesn't make sense as I can still buy it by the trade bearing name. If you ask Nissan, they recommend the TOB used for the SR on the KA now. A little thicker but still works. Aftermarket clutch kits do the same. This swap confuses people who do clutch jobs when they see the old closed face bearing and the thicker open face ones that comes with the kits My original closed face bearing had 235k before the clutch disc failed. I used open face one in the clutch job. Time will tell how long it lasts. I actually did buy the original closed bearing made by Nachi but wasn't sure if it would work with the Exedy clutch kit i had. Exedy was no help.
Check the application list in the description, this kit should fit many Impreza/WRX. STi use a pull style TOB that historically has not has issues. Ive done a few S-chassis clutches at the shop. The "open face" TOBs still have a rubber seal at the open part. The factory FRS TOB is completely open to the worlds filth
This is a great informative videos with plenty of pro tips. The only negative that I'm kicking myself for is that I did my clutch job 3 years ago before this video came out... 😖
@@CMAutohaus any statements from Dirtfish about the long term reliability as you sent them some units to test, any quantitative results from your own research and testing? Also what do you use for the low friction coating on the unit and what’s the life expectancy of it before it wears off. I haven’t found anything yet that helps me want to pull the trigger on one of these as I have a TOB to replace soon.
@@peterparker3668 We will post dirtfish testimonial on our site soon. The coating is Molybdenum Disulfide, typically used in high stress applications and is considered a premium surface treatment. This adds considerable cost to manufacturing these. Since the transmission quil is aluminum the carrier surface treatment should last a long time. Longer than the stock BRZ tob anyhow.
Are you the same one who suggested we send Dirt Fish racing school dog poop? I have a feeling no matter what evidence we provide, you are going to fight us every step of the way. @@peterparker3668
Can you make a video on removing the transmission/doing a clutch service on these cars? I've often wondered why transmission bell housings don't have a service window with a Zerk fitting for adding grease to a throwout bearing sleeve reservoir. Would go a long way to increasing service life. Or just have a beefier bearing.
Which exact grease are you using? I’m on the Amsoil website and there’s 2 different ones. Is it the off-road grease NLGI #1 or #2? Not sure if you guys still reply to this video, but it’s worth a shot. Thanks
Hey is there really no solution to using this with an ACT clutch? The product page says even OEM TOB's are affected by ACT clutches, so how could ACT really sell these if they don't work properly? I'd really like to use this with the Verus fork and pivot combo alongside an ACT SB7-HDSS clutch.
ACT and Southbend clutches have been notorious for engagement issues with the symptom being intermittently getting blocked out of 1st or Rev gear. I recently had to send back an ACT clutch on a VA STi that was defective out of the box, which means I had to pull the transmission TWICE and eat the lost labor time, and that a 1 day job turned into 1 week job and an upset customer. I used to highly recommend ACT clutches, but until they get their quality control together, Im sticking with Exedy
Stay away from ACT and Southbend clutches. Otherwise this TOB should solve your issues. If you are Forced induction, use the ORC clutch (comes with their own uprated fork and TOB)
@@CMAutohaus it’s shit because I bought a ACT during Covid because nobody could get an OEM one or exedy. Then I was told by the same shop who is owned by a Subaru master mechanic that southbend was a good choice and now I’m having weird noises from my clutch I posted a short with the noise. I’m about to trade in this piece of shit for something else even though I’ve put $10k in aftermarket parts into this damn car.
@@chanceharvey3172 I think the wrong people are working on your car. Locally we have a few great Subaru speciality shops, but they hardly work on 86 chassis' - the 86 deifnitly has its own quirks apart from Subaru .
@@CMAutohaus idk what to do at this point. If it goes bad I’ll just let my credit go to shit and ditch the damn car because I’m tired of spending all this money. It pisses me off because when the car drives fine I love it.
wish I seen this before I did my TOB. I have a 2013 that had the TOB go bad. Did the clutch and flywheel too while I was in there. Used the "updated" TOB at least but I wouldve done this instead.
For any of those wondering... I did some research, and Subaru released a service bulletin suggesting the use of alternative greases instead of the copper/graphite anti-seize that came standard on some cars. The grease in the video that he shows is superior spec-wise to all of the greases specified in the bulletin.
squeaky noise when cold/dry. Mine started making the noise two winters ago during first 5 min warm up. It was rather persistent last winter and finally gave up a few weeks ago at 86k miles. Ocassional burning smell after a harsh take off could be a sign as well. When it went out the clutch became super light and it didn't want to get into the gear, as well as engaging clutch was very rough/hard without stalling the car. After getting a new clutch/flywheel/bearings the shifting became too easy and far superior compared to before. Not sure if trans fluid flushing did the magic or new clutch kit, but I'm loving it! Had I known this much imorovement, I'd already done it 20k miles ago when I bought the clutct kit.
So my 2023 gr86 has been making the same sound as when you spun the "not so bad" OEM bearing since Day 1 with just 5 miles. It always happens at the end of the friction zone when releasing the clutch and sometimes faintly sitting at idle in neutral, no sound at full clutch in. It's quite annoying and worrisome, would this TOB kit get rid of that noise? Thanks!
Thats a cool design. But you have to keep in mind your customers are people that do their own work in their own garage, that being said most people dont have a press on hand. You should just press them onto the carrier before shipping them to the customers. That also will cut down on how many returns you get by customers damaging theirs trying to press theirs on in their garages.
@@CMAutohaus Well that clears things up maybe I missed that. Thanks for replying. I know I will be buying this product from you when the time comes. Love your videos! Very insightful! Keep up the good work making products people need!
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The National Aeronautics & Space Administration needs a guy like you! Thanks!
Phenomenal video! Finally somebody who has thought of it all and knows what they're talking about
Thank you for the kind words. Hoping to help the global community with this product!
I just installed this on my stock frs and feels amazing! Yall are amazing!
Great to hear! Thank you for the support!
No where immediately mentions about this problem especially gen 2! I'm definitely going to do this sooner than later!
Excellent video and great longevity fix for these cars. Glad to see you tackle other mechanical details than the RTV-in-the-old-pickup issue too.
Im not done beating the dead horse LOL jk
Fantastic video! I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on one for my '19 86 TRD... Thank you for all the great information!
Really good information, thank you. I love my 86 and want it to run forever. Thanks man
Helping out the next guy with the anti-seize. 👍
I have confidence to DIY from your video cause it’s been years since I’ve done a clutch job let alone a TOB job.
Do you have an extended version from start from pulling apart the car to torque specs when installing? Really would be helpful!
Two part video
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Nice. I would love to see this applied to the WRX and STI.
On a side note. The s13 KA transmission and I think the AE 86 used that same TOB design too. Nissan doesn't sell the closed face bearing anymore, which doesn't make sense as I can still buy it by the trade bearing name. If you ask Nissan, they recommend the TOB used for the SR on the KA now. A little thicker but still works. Aftermarket clutch kits do the same. This swap confuses people who do clutch jobs when they see the old closed face bearing and the thicker open face ones that comes with the kits
My original closed face bearing had 235k before the clutch disc failed. I used open face one in the clutch job. Time will tell how long it lasts. I actually did buy the original closed bearing made by Nachi but wasn't sure if it would work with the Exedy clutch kit i had. Exedy was no help.
Check the application list in the description, this kit should fit many Impreza/WRX. STi use a pull style TOB that historically has not has issues.
Ive done a few S-chassis clutches at the shop. The "open face" TOBs still have a rubber seal at the open part. The factory FRS TOB is completely open to the worlds filth
@@CMAutohaus Thanks for the note on the seal. Gives me more confidence of the clutch parts now.
This is a great informative videos with plenty of pro tips. The only negative that I'm kicking myself for is that I did my clutch job 3 years ago before this video came out... 😖
Any actual data on the effectiveness of this replacement TOB out yet? I read the FT86club forum and you provided no answer to this
What data are you looking for?
@@CMAutohaus any statements from Dirtfish about the long term reliability as you sent them some units to test, any quantitative results from your own research and testing? Also what do you use for the low friction coating on the unit and what’s the life expectancy of it before it wears off. I haven’t found anything yet that helps me want to pull the trigger on one of these as I have a TOB to replace soon.
@@peterparker3668 We will post dirtfish testimonial on our site soon. The coating is Molybdenum Disulfide, typically used in high stress applications and is considered a premium surface treatment. This adds considerable cost to manufacturing these.
Since the transmission quil is aluminum the carrier surface treatment should last a long time. Longer than the stock BRZ tob anyhow.
@@CMAutohausstill no answer?? Or you don’t have anything to show for it?
Are you the same one who suggested we send Dirt Fish racing school dog poop? I have a feeling no matter what evidence we provide, you are going to fight us every step of the way. @@peterparker3668
Finally a awesome fix to the trash release bearing issue can't wait to grab one of these😏🔥
Can you make a video on removing the transmission/doing a clutch service on these cars? I've often wondered why transmission bell housings don't have a service window with a Zerk fitting for adding grease to a throwout bearing sleeve reservoir. Would go a long way to increasing service life. Or just have a beefier bearing.
Already done
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When are these available for purchase?! I need it ASAP.
@@evanbudd3243 Link in description
Which exact grease are you using? I’m on the Amsoil website and there’s 2 different ones. Is it the off-road grease NLGI #1 or #2? Not sure if you guys still reply to this video, but it’s worth a shot. Thanks
NLGI #2. Product Code: GPOR2CR-EA
Niiiiice. Thanks bruh
Excellent video and product. Thanks!
Glad you liked it!
Hey is there really no solution to using this with an ACT clutch? The product page says even OEM TOB's are affected by ACT clutches, so how could ACT really sell these if they don't work properly? I'd really like to use this with the Verus fork and pivot combo alongside an ACT SB7-HDSS clutch.
ACT and Southbend clutches have been notorious for engagement issues with the symptom being intermittently getting blocked out of 1st or Rev gear.
I recently had to send back an ACT clutch on a VA STi that was defective out of the box, which means I had to pull the transmission TWICE and eat the lost labor time, and that a 1 day job turned into 1 week job and an upset customer.
I used to highly recommend ACT clutches, but until they get their quality control together, Im sticking with Exedy
Awesome! I'm having some bearing sounds on my brz at 65k miles. Will definately be using this! Does the kit come with bearing clips?
Does NOT come with the 3 clips
@@CMAutohaus roger that! thanks!
Can replace the throwout by removing the bearing from the carrier and keep using the carrier by buying another throwout bearing?
Yes
I’ve gone through 3 clutch kits cuz of TOB issues and I’m getting the TOB noise again. I’m about to burn my car down.
Stay away from ACT and Southbend clutches. Otherwise this TOB should solve your issues. If you are Forced induction, use the ORC clutch (comes with their own uprated fork and TOB)
@@CMAutohaus it’s shit because I bought a ACT during Covid because nobody could get an OEM one or exedy. Then I was told by the same shop who is owned by a Subaru master mechanic that southbend was a good choice and now I’m having weird noises from my clutch I posted a short with the noise. I’m about to trade in this piece of shit for something else even though I’ve put $10k in aftermarket parts into this damn car.
@@chanceharvey3172 I think the wrong people are working on your car. Locally we have a few great Subaru speciality shops, but they hardly work on 86 chassis' - the 86 deifnitly has its own quirks apart from Subaru .
@@CMAutohaus idk what to do at this point. If it goes bad I’ll just let my credit go to shit and ditch the damn car because I’m tired of spending all this money. It pisses me off because when the car drives fine I love it.
promising looking product sir, thank you
Thanks for the support! Yes we have a lot of these in the field already including one car with over 10,000 miles on the Ultimate TOB kit
wish I seen this before I did my TOB. I have a 2013 that had the TOB go bad. Did the clutch and flywheel too while I was in there. Used the "updated" TOB at least but I wouldve done this instead.
Thank you for the video, I found it very informative! Big help for next time I do a clutch.
cant we just use these on all subarus?
So no break in period?
No break in period for the TOB. Break in a new clutch/flywheel per manufacture procudure
Good stuff as always
What temp range of grease did you use for this? or Amsoil Part Number? thanks in advance!
found your other comment:
amsoil code gpor2cr-ea
The FSM for my 2006 Forester suggests using copper anti-seize grease for the pivot points. Should I use your specified grease instead?
For any of those wondering... I did some research, and Subaru released a service bulletin suggesting the use of alternative greases instead of the copper/graphite anti-seize that came standard on some cars. The grease in the video that he shows is superior spec-wise to all of the greases specified in the bulletin.
What are the beginning signs/symptoms of a throw out bearing going bad? I apologize if you mentioned it and I missed it.
Squeaky clutch, crunchy clutch feel at the end and during a shift. Things like that.
squeaky noise when cold/dry. Mine started making the noise two winters ago during first 5 min warm up. It was rather persistent last winter and finally gave up a few weeks ago at 86k miles. Ocassional burning smell after a harsh take off could be a sign as well. When it went out the clutch became super light and it didn't want to get into the gear, as well as engaging clutch was very rough/hard without stalling the car. After getting a new clutch/flywheel/bearings the shifting became too easy and far superior compared to before. Not sure if trans fluid flushing did the magic or new clutch kit, but I'm loving it! Had I known this much imorovement, I'd already done it 20k miles ago when I bought the clutct kit.
@@Denverian thank you, I think I gotta do mine now at 42k miles
Does this include the 22-23 BRZ?
it's the same transmission so it'll work. main differences are internals, so those external components will be almost identical -- it'll fit.
Yes also works for Gen 2
Added the application list to the description
why wouldnt a car go into second after replacing the clutch?
Does the gr86 have this problem too or just frs/86/gt86?
GR86 also has this problem.
These are back in stock!
So my 2023 gr86 has been making the same sound as when you spun the "not so bad" OEM bearing since Day 1 with just 5 miles. It always happens at the end of the friction zone when releasing the clutch and sometimes faintly sitting at idle in neutral, no sound at full clutch in. It's quite annoying and worrisome, would this TOB kit get rid of that noise? Thanks!
CMA and BGRS 🥹 thank you
Thanks for the support! V2 of this should in in stock soon!
Any in stock rn?
Looks like still pre-order, but you can email them directly to find out for sure.
damn I wish this was around when I had my brz. I went through 4 of those things.....
shows you Subaru engineers do not know it or have your best interest in mind, especially over a relatively simple product like a bearing.
Can I use this on my 2017 Toyota 86? How much?!
Yes. $160 retail. Link in description
Thats a cool design. But you have to keep in mind your customers are people that do their own work in their own garage, that being said most people dont have a press on hand. You should just press them onto the carrier before shipping them to the customers. That also will cut down on how many returns you get by customers damaging theirs trying to press theirs on in their garages.
The bearing and carrier come pressed together when you buy
@@CMAutohaus Well that clears things up maybe I missed that. Thanks for replying. I know I will be buying this product from you when the time comes. Love your videos! Very insightful! Keep up the good work making products people need!
@@downt3mpo Thank you for the kind words!
@@CMAutohaus Thank you that cleared up my confusion as well
Impressive! Will this fit an automatic transmission too? Or will you guys make one for that?
Auto trans do not use a throw out bearing. This does not apply
Shows you OEM engineers are not the be all and end all, as I read on the forurms.."oh if Subaru did not think of it then no one else knows any better"
I definitely think the OEM TOB was a cost cutting measure
Can change to a different transmission like a t56 transmission
i think i need a cigarette
I keep seeing you everywhere Allie. Thanks for the support!
5:24 6:13 🤭😘😏 can you at least bring us out to dinner first?
Lol glad you caught that
Feels like there are too many things wrong with these car from the factory. Would rather spend my money on something else to save myself the trouble
I get where you're comming from, but its a tough call - low priced FR layout in manual trans? Isnt it just the Miata?
manual transmissions DO NOT have the same backing because they are not as common
So it is full of problems. RTV, Bearing and more. I will go with the Nissan Z.
“And more”? What else? Have fun with your new Z with no LSD
Bros 16 years old and said he's 10 year automotive field. 😂
Bro is cool and gives great advice, stop hating