@@Rawdiswar If you watch it again, click settings (the screw like icon) then click English (auto-generated) you'll get something close enough to the subtitles.
15:25 Any pilgrims out there may be glad to know that the grave of Strauss is in Ludwigsburg (old cemetery) and not in Tübingen as the film might suggest.
"Even by (heroic) standards, his energy was prodigious". Amen to that! Got to get up pretty early in the morning to outwork Schweitzer, Wesley, or Bach!
I think that might be the case. It also takes the place of angels, as they are spiritual (sky) beings that have greater knowledge of the universe (God) and thereby relativizes human ego consciousness.
@@matthewkopp2391I thought the same when watching "Contact" with Jodie Foster, based on the book by Carl Sagan. Very clearly the aliens are a substitute for God in that movie since the universe felt too empty after losing faith.
Can anyone identify from which recording of Bach's Art of Fugue does that Contrapunctus 9 which closes the documentary and also plays along with the army manoeuvres come? I remembered it was wonderfully compelling and brought out the grave and profound quality of the writing, and hearing it again (thank you), it still seems like one to have.
alipitogen I checked the third party claims for this upload to see if that could help, but no claim has been made for that recording. Though they does confirm that the Bach you here from 28:59 (BVW 547) is, as it appears, played by Schweitzer himself.
Nigel Verney Thank you so much for your reply and for looking into my query. It was and is very much a shot in the dark but maybe some other Bach lover out there may see this and know. In the meantime, I am very grateful to you for posting one of the most compelling and sadly most misunderstood TV series I can remember.
I don’t agree with Albert Schweitzers historical interpretation, largely because I see it as besides the point. It is a historical literalist interpretation similar to the literalist interpretations of fundamentalists. Both are concerned with a historical accuracy. Such as David Strauss on the other hand I think was onto to what was important. We always create myths of historical people, Such as George Washington cutting down a cherry tree. The myths in many ways have a life of their own, and in ancient times the myth was often more important than historical accuracy. For example both Ceasar Augustus and Jesus were called the Son of God. A dissident of that time refusing Roman authority could insist they acknowledge the true son and not the imposter son. Etc. I am a theater artist. I have written several plays authored by myself. I also wrote over 20 plays as a collaborative ensemble member and was the head script writer along with the director. If I lived in an age where authorship was of lessor importance upon my death someone may find the plays and attribute them to me as the author when they were on fact group compositions. In fact many historians believe that this may have been the case with Shakespeare‘s work. Collaboratively written and performed but attributed to Shakespeare. And a couple hundred years after his death recognized as a singular genius. Why would this not be the case with the Gospels? After all the Gospels both agree and contradict one another. Jesus was probably a historical person. But the story of Jesus IMO was a collaborative myth. And as Shakespeare (may have said) the play IS the thing. The most mythic Gospel is the Book of John which is very different from the other three. John immediately begins the book with Jesus as a divine being who existed at the beginning of time. So what are dealing with is a cosmic myth.
I don't agree with Strauß on everything but I'm currently reading "Das Leben Jesu" from 1838 and it's fascinating. On the first 80 pages or so, he already gives a summary of all the points still being debated on TH-cam today. As a German theologian I wish more people knew about the history of German higher criticism.
I personally don’t think that is accurate, nor do I think the Gospels depict Jesus accurately but metaphorically. Origen of Alexandria the most popular Christian writer of 200 AD even stated that the miracles of Jesus were metaphor. So the intention of the Jesus narrative is mostly metaphor. I think the sayings of Jesus are likely what Jesus actually said and there is a good evidence that is likely the case. I think Jesus was a historical person. There were other historical people before Jesus that made the claim to be a God-man most notably Empedocles. Empedocles was part of the Pythagorean tradition as were the Jewish Essenes. Pythagoras‘s moral Statements are similar to that of Jesus. When you understand this the narrative makes historical sense. For example the statement that Joseph was a carpenter, is likely an allusion to Pythagoreanism. If his earth father or step father was a carpenter then Joseph knew mathematics. And if Joseph knew mathematics then he likely studied the Pythagorean tradition. And Jesus knew what Joseph knew. You can see Pythagorean references throughout the Gospels. The Pythagorean tradition could be described as Greeks influenced by Judaism and the earliest Christian as Hellenized Jews influenced by Greek philosophy. The result is Christianity who by no accident held to Platonist and Aristotlean ideas for almost 2000 years.
These older documentaries are absolute gold.
@@nigelverney9608 Sure seems like it.
@@Rawdiswar If you watch it again, click settings (the screw like icon) then click English (auto-generated) you'll get something close enough to the subtitles.
Thank you so much for this upload. This series is just as relevant today.
What a beautiful programme. Thanks 😊
15:25 Any pilgrims out there may be glad to know that the grave of Strauss is in Ludwigsburg (old cemetery) and not in Tübingen as the film might suggest.
"Even by (heroic) standards, his energy was prodigious". Amen to that! Got to get up pretty early in the morning to outwork Schweitzer, Wesley, or Bach!
Only if you work on something that brings you bliss otherwise you should work less because productivity as a believe onto itself is hollow.
Do you know where I could find the soundtrack of this series?
Thnx for the upload- I've watched each episode at least twice.
One of the best documentary series' I've watched.
thats the first I knew of it....the rationalisation of aliens is a result of our loneliness - aloneness- in the universe.
I think that might be the case. It also takes the place of angels, as they are spiritual (sky) beings that have greater knowledge of the universe (God) and thereby relativizes human ego consciousness.
@@matthewkopp2391I thought the same when watching "Contact" with Jodie Foster, based on the book by Carl Sagan. Very clearly the aliens are a substitute for God in that movie since the universe felt too empty after losing faith.
Thanks for inspirational documentary.
Wonderful documentation. I think we are in need for more post-theism in christianity.
Wherein can one find the verses at 15:32 : "I long to travel | now I do not leave..."?
I don't know... to me It sounds like it might be taken from a letter of Strauss's or maybe his diary.
@@nigelverney9608 I shall look , then. It is odd that Zeller's monograph on Strauss had shown none of these.
If you are reaaly interested & stuck you could try asking asking Cupitt himself.
www.doncupitt.com/contact-Don-Cupitt
Can anyone identify from which recording of Bach's Art of Fugue does that Contrapunctus 9 which closes the documentary and also plays along with the army manoeuvres come? I remembered it was wonderfully compelling and brought out the grave and profound quality of the writing, and hearing it again (thank you), it still seems like one to have.
alipitogen I checked the third party claims for this upload to see if that could help, but no claim has been made for that recording. Though they does confirm that the Bach you here from 28:59 (BVW 547) is, as it appears, played by Schweitzer himself.
Nigel Verney Thank you so much for your reply and for looking into my query. It was and is very much a shot in the dark but maybe some other Bach lover out there may see this and know. In the meantime, I am very grateful to you for posting one of the most compelling and sadly most misunderstood TV series I can remember.
Does anybody knows what Bach piece is played in the broken piano when he says mr. Schweitzer used to play at night in the cottage?
Amazing 👌
Does anyone know where we can find the subtitles?
I'm sorry but I don't know; the DVD does not have any.
There was a book that accompanied the series, I don't know if that would be of any help to you.
@@nigelverney9608 Thanks
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I don’t agree with Albert Schweitzers historical interpretation, largely because I see it as besides the point. It is a historical literalist interpretation similar to the literalist interpretations of fundamentalists. Both are concerned with a historical accuracy. Such as
David Strauss on the other hand I think was onto to what was important. We always create myths of historical people, Such as George Washington cutting down a cherry tree. The myths in many ways have a life of their own, and in ancient times the myth was often more important than historical accuracy. For example both Ceasar Augustus and Jesus were called the Son of God. A dissident of that time refusing Roman authority could insist they acknowledge the true son and not the imposter son. Etc.
I am a theater artist. I have written several plays authored by myself. I also wrote over 20 plays as a collaborative ensemble member and was the head script writer along with the director. If I lived in an age where authorship was of lessor importance upon my death someone may find the plays and attribute them to me as the author when they were on fact group compositions. In fact many historians believe that this may have been the case with Shakespeare‘s work. Collaboratively written and performed but attributed to Shakespeare. And a couple hundred years after his death recognized as a singular genius.
Why would this not be the case with the Gospels? After all the Gospels both agree and contradict one another.
Jesus was probably a historical person. But the story of Jesus IMO was a collaborative myth. And as Shakespeare (may have said) the play IS the thing.
The most mythic Gospel is the Book of John which is very different from the other three. John immediately begins the book with Jesus as a divine being who existed at the beginning of time. So what are dealing with is a cosmic myth.
I don't agree with Strauß on everything but I'm currently reading "Das Leben Jesu" from 1838 and it's fascinating. On the first 80 pages or so, he already gives a summary of all the points still being debated on TH-cam today. As a German theologian I wish more people knew about the history of German higher criticism.
I agree. I'd also add that myths still have a lot of value as allegories.
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Consider for 5 seconds, Jesus was a fictional character with no reality....like Soap star!
Might as well ask people to consider that there isn't a final meaning to life... Everyone has.
Consider for 5 seconds that it's not about rational logical reasoning, but rather about a message one agrees on
I personally don’t think that is accurate, nor do I think the Gospels depict Jesus accurately but metaphorically. Origen of Alexandria the most popular Christian writer of 200 AD even stated that the miracles of Jesus were metaphor. So the intention of the Jesus narrative is mostly metaphor. I think the sayings of Jesus are likely what Jesus actually said and there is a good evidence that is likely the case.
I think Jesus was a historical person. There were other historical people before Jesus that made the claim to be a God-man most notably Empedocles. Empedocles was part of the Pythagorean tradition as were the Jewish Essenes. Pythagoras‘s moral Statements are similar to that of Jesus.
When you understand this the narrative makes historical sense. For example the statement that Joseph was a carpenter, is likely an allusion to Pythagoreanism. If his earth father or step father was a carpenter then Joseph knew mathematics. And if Joseph knew mathematics then he likely studied the Pythagorean tradition. And Jesus knew what Joseph knew. You can see Pythagorean references throughout the Gospels.
The Pythagorean tradition could be described as Greeks influenced by Judaism and the earliest Christian as Hellenized Jews influenced by Greek philosophy. The result is Christianity who by no accident held to Platonist and Aristotlean ideas for almost 2000 years.