Pain's philosophy in destroying the leaf village and Itachi's philosophy of slaughtering his clan but saving only his brother would be interesting perspectives too.
Arthur HY Au The music from around 24:24 at the end of the Nietzsche section is from the end of Wagner's Götterdämmerung. The pensive/reflective music used through most of the section I don't know; it might be an original composition by Nigel Osborne.
A person searching for god and failing to find him and therefore declaring ' god is dead ' , is like a person searching for their glasses and declaring them lost , even though they were on his head all along ........Great series 👍
No, God isn't like an always-worn but forgotten pair of glasses. I too believe in God, as you seem to, but God must be searched for. If you grew up in church and think you've never had to search for God, then you've never found Him.
@@grantsmythe8625 The story of the lost glasses ( there are others like this - the parable of the lost tenth man , or the zen story of swimming fish wondering if God exists ) is to express the ' fact ' that if ' god ' exists then they must be imminent and omnipresent . Infinity doesn't allow for finite parts within it . The question is not 'whether ' god ' exists or not , but rather ' whether anything exists but ' god ' . The mystical experience is that nothing exists but God . Throughout all the changes we experience from childhood onwards , the one consistent experience is that of our own Being - our ' I am ness ' . When Moses asked God 'His ' name He answered ' I am that I Am ' - that is to say that God is Being or Existence itself . When people asked Christ when the kingdom of heaven was coming He replied ' that the kingdom of heaven is within you ' ( Luke 17 Vs 21 ) . That is to say that God is here and now , and is non different from your own Being or Existence - for God is Being itSelf . Belief is very low on the hierarchy of ways to approach god . Today you believe , tomorrow you might not ! A deep instinct that something ' Higher ' exists is a good starting point to search for god , but if ye seek ye will find that the instinct is God themSelf and you will love others as thySelf because you will experience that there are no others and All is Self or God . ...Peace to you 🕊️✝️🕉️
Nigel Osborne is credited as the composer for the series. The music at 3.30 and later seems to me to be a Wagner inluenced variation of Osborne's series theme.
@@nigelverney9608 Thanks for the reply Nigel, but more importantly thanks for uploading this program. I think Don Cupitt did an amazing job summarising Nietzsche's best bits as a life affirmer and a yeasayer in a matter of a few minutes. I remember watching this series in 1984, but I was too young to appreciate how good it was. Now thanks to you I can watch it over and over again, particularly this episode on Nietzsche. It makes me feel better when I'm feeling depressed and inspires me to dig out my ancient copies of The Portable Nietzsche and The Basic Writings of Nietzsche by Walter Kaufmann.
I absolutely love these! I'm so glad I stumbled upon them. Thanks for preserving this series, for the 5% of people that find useful. The rest of the public is watching cat video's, while we ponder the meaning of life.. Damn ironic in my opinion lol
I find it interesting that Nietzsche never formulated any reasons as to why he espoused atheism. Atheism is the presupposition of his thought- not the conclusion of it. Immanuel Kant- arguably the greatest philosopher since the Enlightenment- was a believer and so was Hegel (the other great thinker since the Enlightenment). It seems to me that there are as many reasons to believe that God exists as there are to believe he does not- and I think people make the decision to believe or not believe not on the basis of reason so much but on the basis how they want to see themselves and the world. "Theory choice" would expect this to be the case anyway.
It's certainly possible to be a Nietzschean and still a believer. This documentary has made that suggestion. I have met philosophers who have described themselves as Nietzschean and yet still believed in God. Nikos Kazantzakis and Martin Scorcese in their respective works on "The last temptation of Christ" had overt Nietzschean interpretations on the figure of Jesus. Nietzsche solely thought that psychological understanding of ourselves discredited the existence of God but that you could never disprove it because truth and absolute certainty were impossible. His main problem with Christianity is its overt relationship to platonic philosophy and thought that these claims to "reason" and "truth" were false projections, a search for comfort. Nietzsche would be much more incline to agree with Kierkegaard who thought it wasn't reason that lead you to belief in God but a leap of faith. Nietzsche's Philosophy has original components but it is largely built on philosophical ideas before him. The pre-socratic Greeks, Plotinus, Marcus Aurelius, Hegel, Schopenhauer, Dostoevesky, Goethe and etc.
Nietzsche was a moral relatvist and an egoist. He taught the will-to-power. I see all of this as antithetical to belief in God- if, by "God", we mean anything like what this term usually means for Jews, Christians and Muslims (not to mention versions of Hinduism, etc). "God" in these traditions usually implies some form of moral absolutism, selflessness, and the will-to-love. Nietzsche doubtless has many interesting insights. I think some of his critiques of Christianity are reasonable, especially certain "Platonic" interpretations of Christianity that advocate an unhealthy world-denial to the detriment of our bodily and psychic well-being. The point of Don Cupitt's documentary is to show that God does not exist as an objective reality but that the notion of God can still have some value once demthologized. Its the "Death of God" theologies. I have always thought this absurd. If God does not exist then we should forget about religion altogether as meaningless.
bayreuth79 Nietzsche actually admired Jesus. In a certain light Jesus is a relativist who claims he doesn't have to follow the law and yet he is here to fulfill it. The philosopher Hubert Dreyfus has an interesting video on TH-cam called "Nietzschean Christology" Regardless I can't speak for Nietzsche, I just said it's possible to be Nietzschean and a believer in God, one of my instructors was one, and she is/was a well respected scholar/authority on Nietzsche.But in my personal studies the text "will to power" is hardly a coherent piece. The consensus today is that Nietzsche saw the will to power (must understand he is a German, German philosophers have a nice way of fitting the term power in their philosophical concepts, and so doesn't hold that dreary Machiavellian sense necessarily) as a part of the goal to affirm life. The 4 texts largely carried over today are the birth of tragedy, the gay science, thus spoke zarathustra and the genealogy of morals. But anyway main point is Nihilism. Perhaps Nihilism is just a concern of anxious individuals fear of meaningless imposed by their society/culture. But if we are going to accept these notions like Nihilism ot "death of God" theology then we are looking for which values are indeed sustainable and do provide meaning. Plus it's a call to be authentic. I mean if you are indeed as self introspective as Nietzsche believes you should be able to identify your passions and the things that do indeed provide you meaning. You can have an authentic sense of faith I suppose. Though I'm not religious, if I thought that indeed I found some essence of truth in it, I personally wouldn't have a hard time bridging my philosophical interests in Nietzsche. there are aspects of religion that are indeed life affirming and stories of courage. I couldn't say religion's entire essence was draped in slave morality.
+bayreuth79 He was not a moral relativist in the sense of "any moral system is as good as any other". He believed that moralities were best understood as bring based in historical epochs, religions and other movements. He certainly thought biology, psychology were superior guides to the attainment of health - the ultimate morality for individuals and collectives - and was not anti-science ("long live physics!")unlike the many postmodernists who claim themselves as his heirs. As to the "Death of God" theologies, yes. Absurd. I also think they have little to do with Nietzsche's work as such. He maintained that ritual, festivals ("atonement") will always be a part of human life, and wondered what form these would take after the death of god (ie the possibility of belief is no longer feasible).
+bayreuth79 I think reading Schopenhauer and Darwin convinced him that god was no longer a good hypothesis to propose. Inference to the best explanation, parsimony - not arbitrary "theory choice". And the science works!
Really did not make much sense to pair Marx and Kierkegaard, who should have been paired with Nietzsche.. It might have been been too cliche, but there couldn't be a better example of two thinkers who discussed similar subjects, but came to opposite conclusions. Nietzsche has very little to do with Wittgenstein.
Enlightened ignorance, the only true foundation and source of mature faith. May we always have the freedom to walk in the way of our choosing. And deliver us from the scorn and persecution of militant atheists, among the worst of the unenlightened ignoramuses.
It is false that Nietzsche was the greatest philosopher after Darwin. There were many great philosophers of the 19th century, many of which are detailed in Fred Beiser's works on German philosophy after Hegel, which contradict the popular curriculum of Nietzsche Marx and Freud. Herman Cohen's first book, published in 1871, around the same time as Nietzsche's Birth of Tragedy, was a far great contribution to philosophy and critique. The great tradition of Schopenhauer and Nietzsche are being hijacked for profit. Guard your mind against this, my friends.
The wording used was "the first great philosopher since Darwin", which is still of course a subjective claim but far more easily defensible than "the greatest philosopher since Darwin." I've never heard of Cohen, how would you say he was more significant than Nietzsche?
@@paddyscott2328 I think Caroline has a point that there has been too much focus on Nietzsche at the expense of many interesting thinkers around at the same time, thinkers that he was responding to and that he learned from, for example Mainländer and Dühring. There were important intellectual movements and debates in the 1800's, and Nietzsche took part in them, but he was one of many. Neo-Kantianism was a strong and interesting movement with many good thinkers. Cohen was one of them, and his 1871 book on Kant's theory of experience was decisive for an understanding of Kant's philosophy, and of philosophy more generally. We will only understand Nietzsche if we put him in the context of his time.
Do not look to the sun or the moon or the stars but look to Allah.. (Noble Quran) ancient Egyptian parable the kingdom of heaven is within.. holy bible Jesus the kingdom of God is within.. points to His chest bone....
not a word on Wittgenstein being homosexual and being born and raised in a Jewish family? also I believe that Wittgenstein and Hitler were in the same school and were the same age (but were not in the same class).
Yes Witt and Hitler were in the same school but were two grades apart. I think the info provided was sufficient enough to make interested viewers find out more about both these thinkers. Also Cupitt had all the "creative control" and he might have felt it was unnecessary, although that does sound odd.
the entire series is better than many documentaries on the philosophers shown, to this date
A great series. Thank you so much Don Cupitt
This is great! In so many ways. What a treasure ive discovered in the algorithm! I really hope the people who made it are still alive and well
Wow, amazing series!
Awesome ending monologue.
Thanks for the upload!
"He who had thought that one should die like Socrates freely quickly and at the right moment lingered on for ten wretched years"
OUCH
Thanks for posting. And thanks Don Cupitt!
Thanks for uploading this.
Thanks and no worries
BTW I think this series is still available on DVD via the "Sea of Faith Network".
Dostoyevsky's Grand Inquisitor would offer an interesting perspective to this series and especially this episode.
Pain's philosophy in destroying the leaf village and Itachi's philosophy of slaughtering his clan but saving only his brother would be interesting perspectives too.
Present insane idea that anything Russian is evil.
Oh my, so good it leaves me in a strange emotional state i don't really know what to make of..
@37:00 - 42:10. Wittgenstein"s later worldview beautifully summed up in on 5 min session.
Through this screen you can receive messages from distant places and times
If he only knew 😭
Many thanks for sharing 😊👍❤️
Many thanks for this❤️
Great video, thank you very much , note to self(nts) watched …… 48:07
Brilliant series😊👍❤️
what is the name of the music piece that plays around 18:20
I think it's an original compostion by the series' composer Nigel Osborne.
Does anyone know the names of the music played in the Nietzche episode?
Arthur HY Au The music from around 24:24 at the end of the Nietzsche section is from the end of Wagner's Götterdämmerung. The pensive/reflective music used through most of the section I don't know; it might be an original composition by Nigel Osborne.
th-cam.com/video/2I7er6xaeTw/w-d-xo.html
What a great ending.
Brilliant
A person searching for god and failing to find him and therefore declaring ' god is dead ' , is like a person searching for their glasses and declaring them lost , even though they were on his head all along ........Great series 👍
No, God isn't like an always-worn but forgotten pair of glasses.
I too believe in God, as you seem to, but God must be searched for. If you grew up in church and think you've never had to search for God, then you've never found Him.
@@grantsmythe8625 The story of the lost glasses ( there are others like this - the parable of the lost tenth man , or the zen story of swimming fish wondering if God exists ) is to express the ' fact ' that if ' god ' exists then they must be imminent and omnipresent . Infinity doesn't allow for finite parts within it . The question is not 'whether ' god ' exists or not , but rather ' whether anything exists but ' god ' . The mystical experience is that nothing exists but God . Throughout all the changes we experience from childhood onwards , the one consistent experience is that of our own Being - our ' I am ness ' . When Moses asked God 'His ' name He answered ' I am that I Am ' - that is to say that God is Being or Existence itself . When people asked Christ when the kingdom of heaven was coming He replied ' that the kingdom of heaven is within you ' ( Luke 17 Vs 21 ) . That is to say that God is here and now , and is non different from your own Being or Existence - for God is Being itSelf . Belief is very low on the hierarchy of ways to approach god . Today you believe , tomorrow you might not ! A deep instinct that something ' Higher ' exists is a good starting point to search for god , but if ye seek ye will find that the instinct is God themSelf and you will love others as thySelf because you will experience that there are no others and All is Self or God . ...Peace to you 🕊️✝️🕉️
@@grantsmythe8625 he hides himself pretty well like a very timid snail that rarely leaves its shell.
@@paulatreides0777 Perhaps you don't know what you're looking for.
It's a nice screen.
he saw the void the death of faith had left..the death of restraint between nations
How can we as individuals decide alone, aren't we part and members of groups, community ect. Surly the individual does note live in isolation.
Who composed the music at 3.30?
Nigel Osborne is credited as the composer for the series.
The music at 3.30 and later seems to me to be a Wagner inluenced variation of Osborne's series theme.
@@nigelverney9608 Thanks for the reply Nigel, but more importantly thanks for uploading this program. I think Don Cupitt did an amazing job summarising Nietzsche's best bits as a life affirmer and a yeasayer in a matter of a few minutes.
I remember watching this series in 1984, but I was too young to appreciate how good it was. Now thanks to you I can watch it over and over again, particularly this episode on Nietzsche. It makes me feel better when I'm feeling depressed and inspires me to dig out my ancient copies of The Portable Nietzsche and The Basic Writings of Nietzsche by Walter Kaufmann.
@@ryokan9120 You're Welcome. I agree Cuppitt did an amazing job with this short series. His many books are interesting too.
Fantastic series: am half tempted to buy this dvd series.
I absolutely love these! I'm so glad I stumbled upon them. Thanks for preserving this series, for the 5% of people that find useful. The rest of the public is watching cat video's, while we ponder the meaning of life.. Damn ironic in my opinion lol
Those bloody Megrains!
As Don said "God is life,to love life,is to love God."
loving life is thin soup. Better to love our fellow human beings.
Excelent! Just one big thinker missing, this documentary should have had a last one chapter about Simone Weil
I find it interesting that Nietzsche never formulated any reasons as to why he espoused atheism. Atheism is the presupposition of his thought- not the conclusion of it. Immanuel Kant- arguably the greatest philosopher since the Enlightenment- was a believer and so was Hegel (the other great thinker since the Enlightenment). It seems to me that there are as many reasons to believe that God exists as there are to believe he does not- and I think people make the decision to believe or not believe not on the basis of reason so much but on the basis how they want to see themselves and the world. "Theory choice" would expect this to be the case anyway.
It's certainly possible to be a Nietzschean and still a believer. This documentary has made that suggestion. I have met philosophers who have described themselves as Nietzschean and yet still believed in God. Nikos Kazantzakis and Martin Scorcese in their respective works on "The last temptation of Christ" had overt Nietzschean interpretations on the figure of Jesus. Nietzsche solely thought that psychological understanding of ourselves discredited the existence of God but that you could never disprove it because truth and absolute certainty were impossible. His main problem with Christianity is its overt relationship to platonic philosophy and thought that these claims to "reason" and "truth" were false projections, a search for comfort. Nietzsche would be much more incline to agree with Kierkegaard who thought it wasn't reason that lead you to belief in God but a leap of faith. Nietzsche's Philosophy has original components but it is largely built on philosophical ideas before him. The pre-socratic Greeks, Plotinus, Marcus Aurelius, Hegel, Schopenhauer, Dostoevesky, Goethe and etc.
Nietzsche was a moral relatvist and an egoist. He taught the will-to-power. I see all of this as antithetical to belief in God- if, by "God", we mean anything like what this term usually means for Jews, Christians and Muslims (not to mention versions of Hinduism, etc). "God" in these traditions usually implies some form of moral absolutism, selflessness, and the will-to-love. Nietzsche doubtless has many interesting insights. I think some of his critiques of Christianity are reasonable, especially certain "Platonic" interpretations of Christianity that advocate an unhealthy world-denial to the detriment of our bodily and psychic well-being.
The point of Don Cupitt's documentary is to show that God does not exist as an objective reality but that the notion of God can still have some value once demthologized. Its the "Death of God" theologies. I have always thought this absurd. If God does not exist then we should forget about religion altogether as meaningless.
bayreuth79 Nietzsche actually admired Jesus. In a certain light Jesus is a relativist who claims he doesn't have to follow the law and yet he is here to fulfill it. The philosopher Hubert Dreyfus has an interesting video on TH-cam called "Nietzschean Christology"
Regardless I can't speak for Nietzsche, I just said it's possible to be Nietzschean and a believer in God, one of my instructors was one, and she is/was a well respected scholar/authority on Nietzsche.But in my personal studies the text "will to power" is hardly a coherent piece. The consensus today is that Nietzsche saw the will to power (must understand he is a German, German philosophers have a nice way of fitting the term power in their philosophical concepts, and so doesn't hold that dreary Machiavellian sense necessarily) as a part of the goal to affirm life. The 4 texts largely carried over today are the birth of tragedy, the gay science, thus spoke zarathustra and the genealogy of morals.
But anyway main point is Nihilism. Perhaps Nihilism is just a concern of anxious individuals fear of meaningless imposed by their society/culture. But if we are going to accept these notions like Nihilism ot "death of God" theology then we are looking for which values are indeed sustainable and do provide meaning. Plus it's a call to be authentic. I mean if you are indeed as self introspective as Nietzsche believes you should be able to identify your passions and the things that do indeed provide you meaning. You can have an authentic sense of faith I suppose. Though I'm not religious, if I thought that indeed I found some essence of truth in it, I personally wouldn't have a hard time bridging my philosophical interests in Nietzsche. there are aspects of religion that are indeed life affirming and stories of courage. I couldn't say religion's entire essence was draped in slave morality.
+bayreuth79 He was not a moral relativist in the sense of "any moral system is as good as any other". He believed that moralities were best understood as bring based in historical epochs, religions and other movements. He certainly thought biology, psychology were superior guides to the attainment of health - the ultimate morality for individuals and collectives - and was not anti-science ("long live physics!")unlike the many postmodernists who claim themselves as his heirs. As to the "Death of God" theologies, yes. Absurd. I also think they have little to do with Nietzsche's work as such. He maintained that ritual, festivals ("atonement") will always be a part of human life, and wondered what form these would take after the death of god (ie the possibility of belief is no longer feasible).
+bayreuth79 I think reading Schopenhauer and Darwin convinced him that god was no longer a good hypothesis to propose. Inference to the best explanation, parsimony - not arbitrary "theory choice". And the science works!
Really did not make much sense to pair Marx and Kierkegaard, who should have been paired with Nietzsche.. It might have been been too cliche, but there couldn't be a better example of two thinkers who discussed similar subjects, but came to opposite conclusions. Nietzsche has very little to do with Wittgenstein.
no way as good as the film version with Al Pacino
+Wayland Verner film version? All I know of is "When NIetzsche Wept" with Armand Assante
Nietzsche bores the tats off me but Wittgenstein was very interesting.
Enlightened ignorance, the only true foundation and source of mature faith. May we always have the freedom to walk in the way of our choosing. And deliver us from the scorn and persecution of militant atheists, among the worst of the unenlightened ignoramuses.
and fundamental christians and muslims
O please spare us Wittgenstupor. Such a bore : no one reads the Tractatus : Niietzsche should have been followed by Sartre and Camus
I'm gonna fall asleep bring me a sacrifice
Il
It is false that Nietzsche was the greatest philosopher after Darwin. There were many great philosophers of the 19th century, many of which are detailed in Fred Beiser's works on German philosophy after Hegel, which contradict the popular curriculum of Nietzsche Marx and Freud. Herman Cohen's first book, published in 1871, around the same time as Nietzsche's Birth of Tragedy, was a far great contribution to philosophy and critique. The great tradition of Schopenhauer and Nietzsche are being hijacked for profit. Guard your mind against this, my friends.
Thank you.
The wording used was "the first great philosopher since Darwin", which is still of course a subjective claim but far more easily defensible than "the greatest philosopher since Darwin." I've never heard of Cohen, how would you say he was more significant than Nietzsche?
@@paddyscott2328 I think Caroline has a point that there has been too much focus on Nietzsche at the expense of many interesting thinkers around at the same time, thinkers that he was responding to and that he learned from, for example Mainländer and Dühring. There were important intellectual movements and debates in the 1800's, and Nietzsche took part in them, but he was one of many. Neo-Kantianism was a strong and interesting movement with many good thinkers. Cohen was one of them, and his 1871 book on Kant's theory of experience was decisive for an understanding of Kant's philosophy, and of philosophy more generally. We will only understand Nietzsche if we put him in the context of his time.
this ended his career
but began his perennial significance.
Do not look to the sun or the moon or the stars but look to Allah.. (Noble Quran) ancient Egyptian parable the kingdom of heaven is within.. holy bible Jesus the kingdom of God is within.. points to His chest bone....
More shit for the shitpile.
not a word on Wittgenstein being homosexual and being born and raised in a Jewish family? also I believe that Wittgenstein and Hitler were in the same school and were the same age (but were not in the same class).
Interesting. I to be fair, I think Cupitt packs quite alot into six episodes.
@@nigelverney9608 , I agree. I just discovered this series. Was really interesting. Thanks for posting all the episodes!
Yes Witt and Hitler were in the same school but were two grades apart. I think the info provided was sufficient enough to make interested viewers find out more about both these thinkers. Also Cupitt had all the "creative control" and he might have felt it was unnecessary, although that does sound odd.
@@nigelverney9608 This is an excellent series and I thank you for uploading it. Nietzsche is frightening, if you take him seriously.
@@grantsmythe8625 You're welcome.
I took him pretty seriously for a while, but I came out the other side before I got too Raskolnikov.
Terrible documentary. Stylistic crap.