I don't get the difference between double and quadruple tonguing. The tongue position seems the same but you are using a different vowel. But the vowel sound is more about jaw and lip shape, not tongue position. Can you clarify?
Tonguing is not about the vowels, just about the consonants. The consonants that do the job are those that linguists call "plosive" or "occlusive" consonants, which are the sounds [t], [d], [k], [g], [p], [b] and the glottal stop. What's more, the sounds in the sound-pairs [t]/[d], [k]/[g] and [p]/[b] are actually the same sounds: they differ only in a feature called "voicing", which is brought about by making the vocal cords vibrate. However, since a horn is played with the lips, the sounds [p] and [b] are useless when playing, because these sounds are articulated with the lips, which are already used for playing the horn. Thus, the sounds that can be used for "occluding the air-stream" and making plosive sounds on a horn are just those that can be made with the tongue and the glottis, which are [t], [k] and the glottal stop (ignoring difference in voicing). Now, the term double tonguing makes total sense, since there are two places ([t] and [k]) that can be used for articulation. But triple tonguing already doesn't make sense, since it is just made up of going back and forth between these two places - no third place is used! Perhaps if the glottal place of articulation (which resides in the throat) were used, one could speak of a "triple articulation", but to my knowledge very few horn players do this. Quadruple tonguing, while a nice venture, is just silly. Again, tonguing is about occluding the air-stream to create a plosive sound, and occlusion is only brought about by consonants, not by vowels: one could vary endlessly by tagging different vowels to a plosive consonant without ever changing the articulation on the horn. Hope this made sense.
Thanks as always Paul!! Still working on my double tonguing and can’t seem to get it down quite yet. But thank you so much these videos truly are a life saver and make such a difference in my playing and education!
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I've gotta disagree with Paul's conceptions around what constitutes double, triple and quadruple tonguing. Triple tonguing typically only involves two parts of the tongue but pulsed in groups of three e.g. TTK TTK or TKT TKT. Paul seems to think that in order for it to be considered triple tonguing it requires three parts of the tongue; then he equates that with using different vowel sounds i.e. dagadi. So, for paul, da is different enough from di that he considers it a different part of his tongue and therefore it fulfils his weird definition of multiple tonguing. Try saying Dididididi and move your tongue around your mouth and find the whole range of positions you can achieve that sound. Now do the same for Da. It's mostly overlap (these are also all the same places you can Ti and Ta so maybe we need updated teaching methods). I don't like this obsession with TK vs DG tonguing. To me it's all a moot point. D and G sounds are nothing more than vocalised T and K sounds and can be made in the exact same range of tongue positions. The difference between them isn't a harder or softer tongue but an activation of the vocal chords. That's not to say that there aren't a range of soft to hard articulations but brass teachers tend to talk at length about whether or not they use TK or DG and generally seem to not fully comprehend what's going on inside their own mouth and how that doesn't necessarily translate to the analogy they use to teach it.
We don't approve of the banana abuse at the end but hot diggity (another triple tonguing articulation!) that was some terrific trombone tonguing technique tips!
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My colleagues are gonna be so excited to hear my triple and quadruple tonguing techniques all day, everyday as I'm sat at my desk at work!
Quadruple = double
I don't get the difference between double and quadruple tonguing. The tongue position seems the same but you are using a different vowel. But the vowel sound is more about jaw and lip shape, not tongue position. Can you clarify?
You've got it figured out. Either Paul has some really weird ideas around tonguing or he's pretending quad tonguing exists for clickbait reasons.
david reinstein quadruple tonguing doesn’t have any new different syllables. It just a faster ta-ka
Still working on double tonguing and triple and here this man is quadrupling
UnKnwn Ai quadruple tonguing is literally just double but twice as fast
Tonguing is not about the vowels, just about the consonants. The consonants that do the job are those that linguists call "plosive" or "occlusive" consonants, which are the sounds [t], [d], [k], [g], [p], [b] and the glottal stop. What's more, the sounds in the sound-pairs [t]/[d], [k]/[g] and [p]/[b] are actually the same sounds: they differ only in a feature called "voicing", which is brought about by making the vocal cords vibrate. However, since a horn is played with the lips, the sounds [p] and [b] are useless when playing, because these sounds are articulated with the lips, which are already used for playing the horn. Thus, the sounds that can be used for "occluding the air-stream" and making plosive sounds on a horn are just those that can be made with the tongue and the glottis, which are [t], [k] and the glottal stop (ignoring difference in voicing). Now, the term double tonguing makes total sense, since there are two places ([t] and [k]) that can be used for articulation. But triple tonguing already doesn't make sense, since it is just made up of going back and forth between these two places - no third place is used! Perhaps if the glottal place of articulation (which resides in the throat) were used, one could speak of a "triple articulation", but to my knowledge very few horn players do this. Quadruple tonguing, while a nice venture, is just silly. Again, tonguing is about occluding the air-stream to create a plosive sound, and occlusion is only brought about by consonants, not by vowels: one could vary endlessly by tagging different vowels to a plosive consonant without ever changing the articulation on the horn. Hope this made sense.
I’ve never been taught a proper way to do this. This is a great video Paul!
Well done, Paul!
IM really learn with your videos, thanks you
This is gonna help me so much! Thanks!
Excellent video. I was curious about quadruple tonguing and I found this video very helpful about how to do it!
Awesome video!!
I've never even thought about this. Very informational!
Loves your videos man. Keep doing what you do
Very helpful, triple and quad tonguing has always eluded my comprehension until now
You are awesome sir.
Thanks as always Paul!! Still working on my double tonguing and can’t seem to get it down quite yet. But thank you so much these videos truly are a life saver and make such a difference in my playing and education!
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Love it! Keep up the good work man!
Amazing video Paul
Paul you are amazing! You are my inspiration !
Really amazing!!
I've only just properly learnt tonguing after having used my throat beforehand! This is next level stuff!!
Have to try It out
Awesome video! Never knew about quadruple tonging
Love your videos!
Thanks Paul!
Quality vid paul!!♥♥♥
BROOOOO THAT WAS SO CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!
Excellent!
This is so cool
Wow I didnt even know the quadruple tonguing was a thing. THANk YOU
This is crazy!
Nice video! I want to check your book!!!
I can't triple tongue, I instead use doube in a triple meter. TKT KTK which is just TK TK TK with emphasis on different beats.
Great Video!
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I've gotta disagree with Paul's conceptions around what constitutes double, triple and quadruple tonguing. Triple tonguing typically only involves two parts of the tongue but pulsed in groups of three e.g. TTK TTK or TKT TKT.
Paul seems to think that in order for it to be considered triple tonguing it requires three parts of the tongue; then he equates that with using different vowel sounds i.e. dagadi. So, for paul, da is different enough from di that he considers it a different part of his tongue and therefore it fulfils his weird definition of multiple tonguing. Try saying Dididididi and move your tongue around your mouth and find the whole range of positions you can achieve that sound. Now do the same for Da. It's mostly overlap (these are also all the same places you can Ti and Ta so maybe we need updated teaching methods).
I don't like this obsession with TK vs DG tonguing. To me it's all a moot point. D and G sounds are nothing more than vocalised T and K sounds and can be made in the exact same range of tongue positions. The difference between them isn't a harder or softer tongue but an activation of the vocal chords.
That's not to say that there aren't a range of soft to hard articulations but brass teachers tend to talk at length about whether or not they use TK or DG and generally seem to not fully comprehend what's going on inside their own mouth and how that doesn't necessarily translate to the analogy they use to teach it.
I agree to some degree. Tu-tu-ku-tu-tu-ku becomes du-du-gi-du-di-gu when you add a nice stream of air.
Excellent bonus content 😂
Honestly here for the book, but I’ll watch the video
Thnk you Paul
So helpful your amazing
Learn more and more everyday
Can't wait to get better 😆
Good stuff 🐢never thought about tonguing like that
Nice vid!
I always find the first few are pretty strong in a sequence and then it just gets slower/fluffy after a while.
Hit that quadruple yeet
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Tu tu ku tu tu ku is how I learned how to triple tongue
Cool video. But what about quintuple tonguing if that even exists.
I love tounging on the trombone
I didn't even know quadruple tonguing was a thing
it isn't
Great video! Haha
I started laughing when you hit yourself with the banana 😂
I like the videos, but it would be practical if the same things could be said with one quarter of the words.
I'm here for the free books.
I'm still working on double tonguing
I am practicing flight of the bumblee
Quadruple?! I can’t even count that high
Like the into Paul
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I've been work on my double tonguing a lot lately but can't seem to keep it going for a long time
Is that even possible 😂😂? I only use double tonguing when i really have to lol and single most of the time.
Bonus content: banana and trombone pr0n
Mad
I could barely double tongue now I have to learn quadruple?(wish me luck)
I dont think i’ll ever make it to quadruple tonguing haha 😂
Woo
Shnarf
Bruh just double tongue twice
We don't approve of the banana abuse at the end but hot diggity (another triple tonguing articulation!) that was some terrific trombone tonguing technique tips!
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:) thanks Paul! loving your videos.
This is fake i asked a world class trumpet player and he said theres no way