I think you're grossly mistaken. It's not that the amount of comedy is an annoying aspect of the marvel movies, it's that you're annoyed by the amount. The problem is not in the movies, The problem is you're annoyed. Solution, stop bitching about it and go do something you enjoy, thus you'll have a better life.
iamthatroby thank you for telling us the truth about marvel movies but can you to one saying why dc comics tv shows and why some dc comics movies is better than some marvel movies like Wonder Woman and Shazam and Aquaman and Batman v Superman
It originally felt like The Comics come to life during phase 1. There was the occasional screw up like Iron Man 3 but eventually we got to the point where Kevin Feige started taking too many liberties with the source material and started putting too much emphasis on comedy to the point it now feels like a parody of the Comics.
'There are moments when you really wanna feel something and the movie doesn't let you' I agree completely. When watching Thor and Asgard is blown up, it's this really intense scene and you start to think of the magnitude of what's just happened, but then it's just instantly cut by a joke. I enjoy the comedy in Marvel but sometimes it needs to hold back.
Its because they tried it out and it didn't hit the mark. The comedy version got better reactions so it makes the final cut. Marvel movies are not for drama, its for action and comedy. I don't sit there and am worried about the safety of any of the characters because the movie doesn't set itself up like a drama. Its more like a heist movie. Fun, action, and comedy. However, I will say there is more of that drama aspect in earlier films like Sam Raimi's spiderman movies where peter is struggling with just living a life as well as being a super hero. The only time humor got involved was when peter was saying a cute little comeback to a villain. But to me it seems like they stepped away from that and went full on fun for the kids summer blockbuster hollywood type movie.
@Unpopular Opinions I saw it recently. It wasn't all that dark. It was actually more fun than anything. I don't even think there is even a review where someone was crying for the whole population of Asgard. You might as well tell me that you cried when Frieza killed everyone on planet Vageta.
@@mcan-piano4718 imagine if Oscar Schindler was talking with the Jewish survivors about how he could've saved more people...... And out of nowhere, he farts and makes a weird face!! That's what the MCU has turned into.
My main problems with Marvel is: 1. There is just too much comedy and it’s sometimes not given at good times 2. They don’t really seem to fix the mistakes that they make in multiple movies, so they seem to consistently make the same mistakes in multiple movies
This is why I love The Incredible Hulk it's dark, and has a serious tone, where Edward Norton who is the best portrayal of the Hulk he showed no laughs or a sense of humor towards his situation he was scared and was on a mission not cracking jokes
I think in some occasions Marvel doesn’t trust the epicness of their build up... they are too afraid of being cheesy that they have to put some jokes everywhere to lighten the tension
That's why Sam Raimi Spider-man was great. Those movies never tried to deny what they were. Maybe it's an early 2000s thing. Audiences could handle the cartoonishness back then. Then again, who's to say it wouldn't work now? Has any big budget super hero movie really tried?
@@waldokleynhans6977 tbh with how people reacted to Wandavisions recent episode wanting action and comic character reveals instead of the emotional exploration of Wanda’s character it was, I don’t blame folk for saying the audience is base
This is my only problem with marvel movies. I loved them when they were dark and emotional. When the shit hit the fan and you actually feel the tension. Then they completely ruin it with some stupid ass joke. I noticed it in the first avengers movie and then I saw the next few movies that came out and it was the same thing. It just made me lose interest with the shitty written jokes forced into otherwise awesome scenes.
@@luiscach4944 yess but please notice that That movies was before Disney bought Marvel sooooo, it was real Marvel who has serious and dark character. The reason is ''''DİSNEYY BOUGHT MARVEL '''
@@SuperTonyony Pathos, Logos, ethos is was popular is old movies and yes noowwww. no pathos logos ethos, its all about bathosss. I hate ittt. They should know the difference between comedy movie and hero movieeeee.
I agree with it all, but IMO, I think Quill firing at his dad was not suppose to be funny, I think he is letting out his anger by trying to kill the man who killed his mother. However everything that followed was bad comedy and timing and what not.
I agree with you, I didn't find that scene funny at all. Quill just gets his anger out like that. He doesn't brood, he acts first and thinks later, just like any other Chris Pratt character.
I'd say it's even perfectly in character for Kurt Russel to act the way he does, the guy simply doesn't take anything seriously. He doesn't start quipping, he just acts like a dad punishing his son for misbehaving because that's how he sees it. He's just a deluded psychipath demigod so he takes it to an extreme. I think the one truly egregious moment comes during the final fight when Quill turns into Pacman. That just jumped the shark completely.
Totally agreed. I actually like how he turns into Hasselhoff. It shows how disconnected Ego really is from what actually matters to Quill. And it's another gut-punch to Starlord's fantasy of having a perfect dad- remember he wanted Hasselhoff to be his dad, but that's really a childish fantasy of his.
@@SuperTonyony Because if you are emotionally on one level the whole fight (on high tension) you lessen the impact when the participants start to get hurt.
The whole thing with Peter shooting Ego was not humor IMO. I actually thought it was one of the most emotionally driven and dark moments in the movie. It was very raw and not humorous at all. However, the David Hasselhoff thing was out of place and I agree about that.
Of course Peter immediately shoots. That's the kind of guy he is. His instincts kicks in. He barely knows Ego, and his Mother was the closest family he fondly remembers. Yeah, he's gonna shoot without question at the realization that Ego killed his mom. That was pure Rage. Ego transforms into David Hasselhoff to truly illustrate that everything Peter has seen is an illusion Ego crafted.
The unnecessary humor put me off all Marvel movies. That and the fact that most of the people can’t really act. Good things happen when you use people that can ACTUALLY act. Tom Hardy being a prime example
I agree with every point except for Gurdians vol. 2. I don’t belief that it was supposed to be comedic, Star Lord is developed as an immature, rash, and emotional throughout the two films, so it makes sense for him to fire is guns randomly in any attempt for revenge. Ego has a very high view of himself, as a god, so it makes sense for him to respond the way he does at first. Then, when becomes David Hasselhov, he’s not trying to be funny, he’s trying to emotionally manipulate his son with the image of the dad he always wished he had.
While I normally keep quiet about these things I cannot disagree more about yopur point in Guardians 2. Regarding the scene with Ego's confession about Quills mother. I thought that was not in any way funny. It's stated earlier in the movie that Quill would tell other kids that Hasslehoff was his father. Something that is both tragic and sad. Quill even admits this. The fact that Quill, without hesitation took action against the person he was so happy to see immediately made me emotional. He took away the most important person in his life. And he reacted in a very human way. Nothing about that was supposed to be funny. If you took it that way, fine. But looking at it from a writing and storytelling point of view it was not supposed to be funny.
I'm a fan of iamthatroby, but I agree with you Totally Not Mark. I think the Hasslehoff cameo here is excellent, and in context pretty disturbing, actually. Plus, Quill's reaction is totally consistent for his character, and when he instantly sees red I think it's actually an extremely human moment. I still love you iamthatroby, but I disagree about your assessment of Marvel movies.
Well, it was funny to him. It was funny to me. Whole cinema chuckled. You cannot blame the audience for it, that's the misstep of film makers. If you feel differently, well, ok... I have this feeling Americans and parts of the west Europe consider these movies to be so much better than they actually are, to the point where they refuse to see any flaws. I guess its a cultural thing, Captain America is a cultural icon and so on... Still, its weird to me.
This summed up everything I was thinking during this part of the video, (just without the immense swearing and visible anger) this part of the film can be funny to some people but to everyone else (myself included) this was meant to be emotional and it fits with Quill's character perfectly and you can even see that carry over into infinity war. I would never say that even one Marvel movie has no flaws because they all have some flaws, all movies have flaws (APART FROM THE DARK NIGHT THAT FILM IS A MASTERSTROKE AND NO ONE CAN CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE) but I still love almost all of them and the others I at least like, (apart from Black Panther, I'm not being racist I just think that some of the choices in the film's writing weren't as good as the could have been and also the CGI fight at the end was just stupid.) There, rant over, thank you for summing up what I was thinking, and now I must depart. YEET!!!
I totally agree with your criticism about Dr Strange, but criticising comedies for having jokes is a bit weird. The GotG movies and Thor: Ragnarok are straight comedies, so of course they're gonna build up a "serious" moment and then "ruin" it with a joke, that's how comedies work. Dr Strange, however, is not a comedy, and is full of serious and emotional moments (not that the comedies aren't), and on many occasions they undercut them with a joke, and it totally takes you off, but in the MCU comedies, this should be expected...
I disagree with his thoughts on Thor: Ragnarok but Guardians of the Galaxy does have a lot of bad humour in it. I understand comedy is subjective, but when humour gets in the way of a serious moment it's not good comedy. In Thor, I think the joke that followed the serious moment actually made that moment, and the subsequent scene better. David Hasselhoff showing up mid sentence in GotG2 just made me scoff. The joke undercut the whole point of the scene for me.
I agree that the David Hasselhoff scene there was badly timed, but I think the rest of the movie times its' humour much better. And the end sequence with Yondu's death is so efficient at making me emotional without breaking it with humour that I find myself loving the overall end product. I guess it might have been a bit more emotional had the revelation between Ego and Quill been done better, but to me I just don't feel like that so-so scene ruins the whole movie. It just fails to improve the whole movie.
Phillydip GoTG2 made me hate the Guardians when watching. I didn’t find it funny when Drax was being a dick to Mantis. Then the fued Rocket and Star Lord had was just unnecessary and made me ask why.
@@you12praise85 I'll be honest it's the best thing out of Phase 4 besides Moon Knight but the humor just wasn't landing. The emotional moments and climax were definitely worth it. Jsut my opinion though.
@@Ixe2077 look, if the humor wasn’t there all the time killing serious moments, then it would have somewhat been better. But the humor was so cringe and felt forced
@Exar kun The dark side cosmic entity And it makes the crossovers easier. If they had standalone movies or trilogies with very different tone, it would be impossible for them to make these retarded crossovers "retards in gay costumes assemble", and crossovers are apparently a cash cow because various people want to see them for various characters they like the most. Or this is what I think the executives think.
I wouldn’t say it doesn’t take itself seriously completely. Shang Chi and No Way Home were incredible films are some of my favorite movies ever and they were both in 2021.
I loved marvel movies back when I was like 16, I love the humor, bad or good--- love it, kinda immature but hey I'm still young that time. Now I'm 21, I can't watch those films anymore. it's like my mind doesn't want those kind of movies anymore, I don't know why.
I wouldn't say Peter trying to kill his dad was meant to be comedic. It shows that above all, even after meeting his father and knowing that he's a literal God, Quill is still a little kid at heart that has nothing but love for his mom. Even Ego saying "Who in the hell do you think you are" doesn't ruin what's been going on, I think it shows just how pissed he is that his son would try murdering him. The moment that ruins the scene for me is when Ego transforms into Hasslehoff, which completely ruins the revelation and (in my opinion) Peter's appropriate reaction
This is why even the better movies of the mcu never will be great films. There is too much comedy, some of them is pretty bad / unfunny.. and sometimes it is placed at the exact wrong moment... the mcu just doesn't care enough about atmosphere, they rather install some cheap jokes to "entertain" people
Wonderful essay and I think as you say, the Raimi films are funny and cheesy and tongue-in-cheek yet none of that negates the emotion and stakes. I feel like instead of a lot of the comedy in these MCU films stemming naturally from the world and the characters, they feel tacked on a lot of the time. Like they hired another guy to come in and 'punch up' the script with jokes. Grimdark is not the only way that superhero stories can have stakes and real emotion, and there are several films which show that. Once you use humour to deflate most of the more dramatic elements of the film (and in some cases, quite literally after a moment of character building is supposed to happen), then it makes the whole thing feel empty. It is almost as if Marvel is afraid of having real weight in their films so they hide it behind humour. And the Cap, Bucky and Tony battle coupled with T'Challa's scene with Zemo is some of the best stuff, emotion-wise, Marvel has done. That and the entirety of TWS show that the Russos are great, and the real problem, as you say, lies with Marvel Studios and not necessarily the filmmakers they hired. (Exception to that would probably be Vol 2, as I think Gunn was given carte blanche in that case).
I didn't like the ending that much. That suit vs suit thing. I wish they came up with something more creative. Cause they did the same damn thing in Iron man 2. At least in IM3, the guy isn't wearing a suit.....Extremis....of course there are bigger probs to worry about in that film lol
Airport Battle must have had humor. What did you expect having Ant-Man and Spider-Man here? That Widow-Hawkeye moment isn't them two quipping around - it was Widow checking If Clint - her best friend - isn't upset that she chose a different side of the conflict. Clint being Clint - jokes. That's in his character. He's the one joking. Widow wasn't. And "If the tone remained mature" Mature doesn't mean dark.
MeehLaq And as for the civil war they aren’t trying to really hurt each other they are friends and have fought together . While Spider-Man and Ant-Man do most of the comedy since both don’t share the same connection to others and black panther is just going for the kill
secretagentman beciase they want to be highly ciritcal of sucess out of jealousy. The creator is a known dc fan. Some of his points are fair ( especially some pf ragnorok) but the civil war point falls flat
Plus, the very point of the battle is that the situation escalates...you need the fun in the beginning so that the ending hits harder. Not to mention that the final battle of the movie is everything but fun. Same with GotG Vol 2, the movie is full of jokes, but when it has to be serious, it is. There are a few moments in which they overdo it...ie at the end of Ragnarök....but it is hardly an ongoing problem. With so any movies, you are bound to have a few missteps once a while.
While I agree with the complaints about Thor and Dr. Strange, I disagree about Civil War. I found the airport scene to be realistic emotionally, most of the heroes fighting each other are friends, and have worked together for years. Clint and Natasha have a pre established relationship so the “we’re still friends right?” feels natural. Same goes for the banter between Hawkeye and Iron Man, even though they are fighting each other, they aren’t trying to kill each other (except Panther and Bucky). I don’t think there would be a way to write that scene without some bathos, without some levity. If the battle didn’t have the humor it would feel, I don’t know, melodramatic? I also think the end of act 2 needed to be light, in order to fully grasp the importance of the REAL fight (Steve v Tony), because that fight is real, it’s raw. Sorry for the rant! Great Video though man.
The final battle feels more of a rage kill, like Tony knows the dude was brainwashed and had no control? Tony is worse cause he had control. I feel Civil War is not as good, really wish they had kept it personal between Bucky and Captain America, and not brought the whole Avengers.
The airport fight was not emotional at all. A battle that should be taken seriously is ruined and sprinkled with jokes because Marvel doesn’t have the balls to adapt a dark story correctly.
Another problem I have with the entire MCU is that they barely deal with death Like when the heroes got dusted in infinity war, everybody knew that they would come back And even though Tony Stark and Natasha are dead, they will come back in the black widow movie then cap got old and lived in the past rumors say he's coming back Just giving out an opinion 👌
MY PROBLEM WITH MARVEL IS THAT THEY ALWAYS HAVE COMEDY ITS SO STUPID AND ANNOYING SPECIALLY THOR RAGNAROK THE WORST ONE YET, AND STILL THERE ARE MORE WITH THAT ISSUE. DIRECTORS NEVER LEARN?
It being “corporate feminist propaganda” is a valid criticism and actually proven by Bob Iger forcefully inserting Captain Marvel into the Infinity Saga. It’s just not it’s only problem nor it’s biggest
Dude this is where I feel anime does sooo much better. In shows like naruto, jujutsu kaisen, demon slayer, etc, there is balance. Like they have comedy but don’t use it when there are serious situations, making the viewer actually care for what’s about to happen. With marvel, I totally agree with what you said. Most of the time, they never allow the user to really feel any serious emotions because it’s always blocked off with corny humor.
@@eramos8916 It's a much wider medium than you think. Can't blame you for being dismissive of that type of thing, but that's mostly associated with surface level shows and genres.
My problem with Marvel movies is that they focus so much on trying to be funny and their cool CGI effects, that their 11 year old audience doesn't even care about the Plot/story, the movies are literally comedy and cool CGI, that's it, there's nothing really amusing about the story line most of the time.
Nowaday the turn all marvel characters into stand up comedians, that is really to much, even the cartoons had more seriousness than this movies, it is just too much of cool speeches and humour.
I realized the MCU wasn't really about respecting the source material but making everything a big joke. Most of their directors are known for making sitcoms. I get it, they couldn't use every character since they didn't have the rights. But whose fault was that? MARVEL 's! They only know the basics of every character and have to shove in dumb jokes to make up for the shitty writing. And I know the movies can't be 100% like the comics but they could atleast try to give them more depth instead of just being big dumb action movies. As bad as the DCEU is atleast they TRY to get to know those characters before they adapt them. Seems like Marvel Studios doesn't respect those characters at all but they know people will still go see them just because they see that big red logo. I used to be a big Marvel fan but once I got the wool from over my eyes I realized that these adaptations were just watered-down versions of the comics I used to read back in the day. And shoving Stan Lee in every one was just a cheap way of pandering IMO. I have no interest in the next phase of the MCU. They blew their load with ENDGAME.
Sadly I don’t ever think we’ll get another movie like iron man or captain America. The golden age of MCU movies were sadly short lived and the future looks like nothing but bland unoriginal generic lazy action comedy summer movie. Thor Ragnarok doesn’t make me feel the same way Thor did. Each movie was distinct and had their own twist. Show me clips from any movie after age of ultron and I could not tell you if it’s a different movie or what movie it is so sadly I think the MCU should just end before it becomes too much.
im sorry but the whole idea of 'tonal consistancy' makes no sense...LIFE ISNT TONALY CONSISTANT, PEOPLE LAUGH AT FUNERALS, PEOPLE GET UPSET AT CLOWNS AND STAND UP NIGHTS, like for real, things dont slowly transition between intended emotions, my family members have cracked jokes at funerals and people have taken a break from crying for that one moment and laughed, forcing a movie to stick to one emotion is boring and dull
FUCKIN YES THANK YOU why doesn't this comment have a million likes why does noone realise how utterly stupid that concept is even recently I went through something horrible but me and my mother were able to joke about a bit then argue then cry that just is how life is the people that believe in tonal consistency have probably never been through anything.
Well said. People get fixated on a certain aspect of movies, especially those that have taken film studies 101 and are now professional critics. lol. In all seriousness, its hard to poke holes in the MCU, so I guess something needs to be said at least. Not saying hes wrong in his video, its just not a strong argument whatsoever.
@@Anipixelz dude tonal consistency doesn't mean you can't have comedy. The Lord of the rings movies are dark fantast epics yet there are moments of levity constantly however what matters is when and how that humor is used and if it fits in the movie. Take Winter soldier the best marvel film by far the movie opens on quips with cap and falcon. It's used perfectly here because it feels natural and it's for the purpose of characters bonding. Now take civil war where the entire movie pauses whenever it feels like the movie is getting too serious. Bucky and falcon noddin in the car when cap kisses Carter's niece. A dramatic fight between being laden with quips and jokes eliminating virtually any stakes and the worst one of all at the end of the film Rhodes is paralyzed weve just had this dramatic climax and it ends on a joke with him saying Tony stank GET IT CUZ HIS LAST NAME IS STARK NOT STANK HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Tonal consistency is important in films and books and any type of story telling. I mean comedies can have drama and dramas can have comedy in them but if ur film can't seem to make up it's mind on which it wants to primarily be and the two tones are clashing then you've failed as a filmmaker. I'll use the Truman show as an example that movie is a freaking Master class in how to make a dramatic comedy, the comedy is never forced it comes from the character and his setting while the drama slowly builds over time as he slowly begins to learn his life is a lie then the movie is almost entirely a drama for it's final act. These tones are consistent they don't class they work perfectly together. Marvel has failed at this in almost every movie post guardians 1 because everything after that movie they've felt needs to be laugh out loud fun so any time they try to go darker they still feel forced to add forced humor. Infinity war did a slightly better job but still alot of humor was out of place and I still hate how they turned drax into a joke of a character.
Completely agree with everything you said. It's grown quite annoying. Almost as if marvel scared into taking things seriously. BP was everything I want from Marvel and more.
I know this is late, but recent MCU movies feel samey to me because, in a sense, they are. Almost everyone either ranges from awkward, to stoic, or to a overly silly. The jokes are pretty much all the same, awkward safe humor and references to old movies. I'm left wondering, "Do people actually talk like this? Just randomly bring up old movies in their jokes?" What I like about Wonder Woman (1st one) and what I like about Shazam is that those movies FEEL different from one another. Shazam is a cheesy, campy superhero movie, while Wonder Woman is a fish-out-of-water war movie from what I remember. I'm about positive that Shang-Chi will use the same boring awkward humor that the other MCU movies have. They'll probably be the cute, quirky girl protagonist and forced romance as well.
I disagree with the Thor Ragnarok being that tone deaf. Scenes like odins death, when the Valkyre girl remembers her past, Thor talking with Odin in the hela battle and the Thor/Loki chat in the ship were great moments not undercut by jokes. There were some like you pointed out but also good ones. But great essay, keep it up.
Thor Ragnarok is one of the best CBM of all time. Dont let this idiot fun-haters tell you otherwise. I dont go to watch these flying superpowered aliens to cry. It is just fun and better for it.
One of the best CBM of all time? Not even in the top 10 for me. Even though i had a great time watching that movie, I couldn't connect to any of the characters. Maybe Valkyrie a bit. And just cause it's a comedy movie doesn't mean i shouldn't care about or be invested in the characters or story. Hell, i even sympathized with Ace Ventura when he discovered that Einhorn is a man, but i didn't feel anything when Asgard got destroyed or when Odin died. Best Thor movie? Hell yes.
Yup. One of the best CBM of all time. Without a doubt. Remember that Laughter and Joy are also emotions. The movie has some of the best action and some of the best comedies ever in a comic book movie. It does what it sets out to do in the best possible way and it is the best version of what it wants to be. Also, there is no other CBM like it. If it didnt work for you, it is fine. But just lampooning on others for enjoying this movie, and sort of looking down upon comedy seems to be a trend these days, which I dislike.
Nileshkumar I completely agree. It's really pathetic that some people nit pick these movies this badly. They're marvel movies, not drama's. They shouldn't try to out serious the Dark Knight, the whole reason Marvel has been successful is because they're not taking it too seriously. People want to be entertained. And the best part about it is these movies usually do have amazing stories, and epic moments, while also having comedy. The comedy doesn't detract from jack shit. Just look at Deadpool too. Super dark, super hilarious. That's a good thing. Fuck off haters.
Odin dying doesn't even make sense, is just a sort of an anti-deux machinima, so the whole plot doesn't solve in 30 seconds. Then Loki suffers no consequence ir rage from Thor, despite Osama Bin Laden attack on New York and killing his dad. He treats him as if he were a kid that didn't eat his vegetables. A truly retarded film, I wish it were declared non-canon
I think you're not seeing how a scene can do more than one thing. It can be comedic but also say something more. The David Hasselhoff scene in GotGv2 shows how Ego is still trying to manipulate Peter, who stated in a previous scene that he had always dreamed about Hasselhoff being his dad. Same thing with the Ragnarök scene; 'Get Help' shows the former friendship between Thor and Loki. This inside joke between them is a great relationship moment as well as obivously having a comedic purpose. But I still get your point. I also don't like that Dr Strange moment and there are more like this all over the MCU. I just think you could have taken some better examples.
The MCU movies are pretty much dumbed down for the average movie watcher and kids/teens and follow the same formula. I watched Endgame once since I wanted to see how the current phase was going to end but I think I'm pretty much done with the MCU. I'll go back to manga and anime.
The Campy jokes are completely out of control. It seems they keep the same formula for every movie. I have figured out why this is. They need to reach people who are not necessarily fans of comics... So stupid people basically. They don't trust that the storyline and characters will be enough to hold their attention, so they throw humor in to break it up. Stupid people love jokes... especially really lame, campy ones. I think the humor is for the idiots who do not actually care about the plot or the characters.
I love jokes if they are executed and thought out while I do like the marvel movies i know there not strong movies the strongest superhero movie I've seen was batman v superman
Thor Ragnarok from the comics is supposed to be an extremely serious event with the fate of all of Asgard on the line, yet they made it one big unfunny shitty comedy.
I have seen many Marvel fanboys saying Martin Scorsese, christopher Nolan, James Cameron are overrate their movies are boring. They comparr the masterpieces with MCU movies and trash the good quality movie . they think 2-3 action scenes, cringe forced humour, that's movies for them. I use to think like this when I was 10-16 . Sad truth is many people are 20-50 still think MCU is a masterpiece and they trash Martin Scorsese, Nolan and many skilled director movies and call them overrated.... 🙄
I'm in the same boat as you. I was a huge fan of the MCU and I used to get super hyped up about Civil War and Infinity War and stuff but now as I've become an adult I've started to realise how generic and formulaic they really are. Every movie is basically the same, big CGI fights, generic orchestral music, lack of character depth, lame jokes, etc. When I think of Marvel, I think of Daredevil on Netflix, the X: Men films, Sam Raimi's Spider-Man films not the MCU. It doesn't try to do anything different or creative. They know that people will literally watch anything that they put out so they just keep bringing more generic shit out and that's the sad truth but I'm glad that DC is doing something different. For example, I'm super excited for The Batman and after seeing the last two Planet of The Apes films, I think Matt Reeves is gonna absolutely kill it!
Yep, I didn´t. I don´t think it was supposed to be funny. Starlord was angry and Ego tried to manipulate him through taking a form of his favourite actor from his childhood.
Totally get your complaints its not that the films have jokes it's their tendency to turn what could have been emotional moments into one liners for a quick laugh that takes away any weight or emotion the scene tried setting up. Great vid man
Almost all the main characters in Marvel are like this, all of them are immature and try to be funny, because people like the class clown, you see it? Sometimes when the character isn't likable, they add their shitty jokes in to make him/her likable.
THANK YOU. I couldn't really stand the humour even when I was younger, to be honest. I don't mind having a few laughs while watching serious actions scenes or whatever, don't get me wrong. It just that the kind that's used in these movies feels very, very cheap in my opinion. Update on my opinion after 1 year: So... everything Marvel sorta grew on me since the beginning of this year. Ngl even at the point of making this comment I was pretty uptight about superhero stuff. And I kinda regret it. I finally managed to let go of a sorta "higher than thou" attitude when it came to people liking this type of film and I ended up enjoying it myself. Have to agree that while some things don't land sometimes with the MCU, I'd say a whole lot do. Maybe not what you wanna hear as a person willing to hate on Marvel like I used to at some point, but idk I'm just being truthful rn. :))
Im sorry but Marvel movies are very forgettable and im not much hyped to re-watch them. To this day can re-watch the dark knight trilogy, Man of steel and batman superman because they are aging like fine wine and i dont care what critics say.
Best Marvels movies are the ones that are not produced by Disney. Movies like Logan, X Men Days of Future Past, X Men First Class, The Amazing Spider-Man, Sam Raimi's Spider-Man movies, X Men 1 and 2, Daredevil and Pu nisher on Netflix are some of the things based on Marvel comics. And the MCU movies after Thor 2011 started following this generic formula and basically every one of them feels the same with jokes that have to be made every 5 mins and characters not taking themselves to seriously
@alexander soelaiman Here's my list. I'll do top 10 just to keep it short: 1. Captain America 2 2. Iron Man 1 3. GOTG Vol.1 4. Thor 1 5 . Civil War 6. The Avengers 7. Captain America 1 8. Doctor Strange 9. Ant-Man 10. Avengers Endgame
i LOVE marvel, but i have to agree with you. one of the reasons why my favourite marvel movie so far is spiderman homecoming, is because it's humor doesn't feel out of place. and the scene where peter was just calling out for help really got to me and they didn't add jokes to the scene at all.
This is what I have been trying to tell people about. The movies now just have too many jokes in it. You can easily tell they increased their comedy use in the movies when you look back at the First Avengers and Age of Ultron vs Infinity War and Endgame.
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iamthatroby I have to echo the notion that Peter Quill shooting at Ego wasn't comedy, everything that followed was. He meant to seriously kill Ego, and Ego was only protected by his plot armour.
you are right, but you draw the wrong conclusions. Indeed, these movies are tonally all over the place, but it's only your problem: you want complex characters, gripping drama, themes, in short, you want serious movies. But you have to see that these movies are: 1: superhero movies, 2: blockbuster movies. Neither genre lends itself to too much seriousness. These movies have to cater to large audiences, and as you can see from the box office numbers, they succeed. If you want serious superhero movies, you have to look elsewhere: the Nolan movies, Watchmen, Super, Kick Ass, Mystery Men, Chronicle.... but since they are more serious, and less interested in spectacle, they in turn don't bring that much profit either, with maybe the exception of the Batman trilogy
I noticed it way before Civil War. One of the reasons I hate Thor TDW is because after a genuinely beautiful and sad funeral scene, we cut to Erik in a mental home having a breakdown... God forbid we have a moment to actually feel for the characters, nope, give laugh and keeping throwing your money at them.
I actually kinda disagree on your criticism of civil war losing its tone. Most of the comedy there is produced by ant man and spider man, both of whom are naturally funny and relatively new recruits who don't understand the magnanimity of the event and the stakes involved. SO technically they were just being themselves and helping out whoever asked them for help.
@@Jdudec367 finally someone who understands, like obviously starlord is gonna be starlord and antman is gonna be antman even in a team up movie, thats why the jokes in infinity war works so well, the quips are mostly from the character who naturally quips and joke around, ironman, spiderman, guardians, antman and so on
@@Jdudec367 finally someone who understands, like obviously starlord is gonna be starlord and antman is gonna be antman even in a team up movie, thats why the jokes in infinity war works so well, the quips are mostly from the character who naturally quips and joke around, ironman, spiderman, guardians, antman and so on
I loved the first part, because of how it didn't take itself seriously. In fact, maybe that's the only Marvel movie I genuinely enjoyed (I'm sure I'll love Ragnarök, but I didn't have the chance to see that yet). But in Guardians 2, I don't think the tonal shifts were the problem. I didn't really care about Peter and his daddy issues (or anyone's daddy issues) in the first place, and Ego is a typical comic book character so I couldn't take him seriously. However, I didn't mind these. What my problems were though is that the humour is much cheaper and wants to wink at us constantly (the only exception is Drax. I love that guy). The humour in the first one was charming and quirky. My other problem was that it became too much like the other Marvel movies, and the complete third act was just one big and overly drawn out setpiece.
Yes; I completely felt the exact same way about the movie; yet everyones been telling me "wow it was my favorite movie of the year and it was so funny" but no...
i love GOTG2 in fact it stands as my favorite MCU film so far but in my case this happens to me with doctor strange, antman, black panther, iron man sequels, etc.
This was my biggest problem with Infinity War. It's a good movie, all things considered, but I don't place it as high as a lot of people do, because the entire movie is a tonal mess. It was built up for years to be this big, dark, serious event that was going to push the heroes to their limit. But it's hard to take it seriously when it's constantly trying to get multiple laughs out of you every 2 minutes--including during what should be very serious, emotional scenes.
@The Cambot Tonal mess because it's hard to take anything seriously when almost every serious moment in the movie is undercut by, or followed up with a joke. The only time I felt the weight of what was happening was the last 20 minutes. Aside from that, my only other serious issue with both Infinity War and Endgame is that a lot of development and seemingly important stuff happens off-screen (for example: Hawkeye becoming Ronin, Thor's depression). Infinity War and Endgame easily could have been their own Phase of the MCU, instead of being an ending to Phase 3.
I agree that the comedy is sometimes poorly timed, but you can't call this a "big" problem for Marvel. Marvel is doing great, its one of the highest grossing franchises of all time and it regularly breaks box office records no matter the comedy level of each film. The movies aren't masterpieces of film but they're not meant to be. They're meant to be broad appeal money machines and they succeed at that more than any other franchise out right now. I agree that the comedy should be managed and that it COULD become a "big problem" for Marvel. But right now it's not a problem, people are still paying hundreds of millions to a billion to see each film. It's not a problem until the market says it is.
Look at the title of the video, man. This is MY problem. This is why I don't connect to these movies as much as I wish I could. The comedy ruins dramatic moments for me.
yutube jode Of course they’re are good movies. This is why people keep seeing them. You are a fucking dumbass. Or maybe you are a DCEU fan just jealous so much on Marvel’s success.
I feel that the Ant-Man films offer a nice blend of comedy and sincerity that most modern Marvel films seem to lack. The emotional moments always feel genuine because they are hardly ever undercut with jokes that come immediately after them; in fact the only joke I can think of that does this is in the first film is when Scott butts into Hank's emotional confession to Hope, something that all the characters comment on in the same scene. The worst offender in my eyes is the scene in GotG Volume 2 where Nebula answers a crewmember's question about what she'll do when she retrieves the 'batteries' by describing the trauma she sufferred at the hands of Thanos (and Gamora), only for him to respond with a stupid line about her buying jewellery. Then again, this could just be a by-product of James Gunn and Marvel's sh*tty treatment of women, but I digress. TL; DR: go watch the Ant-Man movies right now!
Yeah, and in spiderman: Far From Home they make a joke about the thanos snap. Something that made 4 billion people lost their love ones for 5 years, and would probably traumatize everyone, *is just play as a joke* . And it doesn't seem to affect anyone. It just seems like they don't care.
What??? I´ve never been a MCU fan, even the trailers look like boring and generic CGI mess... But this is just sick. It is as if they were making jokes about the destruction of Alderaan in Star Wars.
I really hated the scene on Infinity War when Thor arrived at Wakanda. The scene where he joked about Captain America copying his beard. It ruins the tone. Same with Endgame when Thor joked with Captain America, yet again, about using the Storm Breaker saying "you have the little one". It completely ruins the scene
Moreover *I* *went *for* *the* *head* , everyone laughed at thanos getting beheaded literally now from which side it seems thanos is likeable to these goons,thanos have emotions,lol
Another thing is that the comedy doesn’t really help when each movie has the same type of jokes and amount of jokes. It makes every movie feel like they were made by the same cast.
You missed the point, it's not about being "dark", is about having stakes and letting a moment breathe. If there's no consequences for the characters, why should we care?
Marvel's biggest problem here is Disney. The mouse isn't interested in elevating their movies. All that matters is the money they make. If test audiences overwhelmingly rate a movie's humor as being their favorite aspect then LA LA logic states that the more you add the more money it will make and from what we've seen thus far who can say their wrong. Just don't expect anything to rise too often above the level of brain dead entertainment. After all, success can always buy prestige in Hollywood. I'm not too much bothered by this because one can expect that 99% of anything will be crap but it's the 1% that bucks the average that makes it worthwhile. My problem is that it appears as though They've conditioned audiences to expect that all super hero movies must be popcorn comedies but comic book fans know better. We know that these characters are capable of far greater range than the house of the mouse will permit. Maybe with the recent acquisition of 20th Century Fox they can be moved under that banner for greater artistic flexibility. Time will tell.
I completely agree that marvel needs to reign in their use of bathos for comedic purposes, they shouldn't stop using it completely because if done right, it can really be meaningful and say something about the characters (adventure time has mastered this I find). But that doesn't stop guardians vol. 2 from being my favourite Marvel film.
LJLvids I think Bathos can work, it just depending on the timing. Good example in the MCU is when Hulk was beating up Loki mid-monologue in the Avengers. It undercuts Loki's dramatic speech, but doesn't actually undercut any legitimate drama. The issue with a lot of more recent MCU films is that their use of bathos impedes on legitimate dramatic moments.
6:40 This was not meant to be funny. That’s like saying Star Lord punching Thanos in Infinity War is intended to make the audience laugh. It’s a pivotal moment and Peter’s reaction is in line with his character. I respect your opinion overall but simply disagree. Most people that have serious beef with Marvel movies I’ve found hate the films for the same reasons that hundreds of millions love the films. I can’t do dry, ultra serious super hero films. I don’t think it’s inherently wrong to lighten moods with jokes. I think it’s a proven part of what has made marvel so successful, and a critical part in marvel maintaining its general public audience post End Game
My problem is that the mcu was popularized so much, to the point the one thing that made me unique was ruined by people who laughed at me for loving it a few months before the infinity war trailer was released. Remember when being a nerd wasn’t cool
In guardians 2 when he finds out his dad killed his mum, to me at least is not meant to be a comedic moment. Peter quill let’s his emotions control him essentially when it comes to people he loves, that moment is his anger and then fathers disgust as he thinks what he is doing is for peter. It’s a really good moment in the film and helps build his character so he can become the reason they cannot get the gauntlet in infinity war
Ì completely understand and agree with you, and I'm no expert but I have some things to say about that scene in ragnarok with thor and loki and your observation that the movie didn't 'give us time' to feel that bonding and zoomed straight into comedy. 1. The way I think Waititi structured the movie (even though it doesn't exactly align with the rest of MCU in that matter) is to have these characters face adversity and adventure in the same, constantly comic-spirited way. I think that to have thor and loki stop at that moment would have hurt the sanguine nature of the movie. 2. Think about the Avengers and the little scenes between the brothers in it. In one scene, the Black Widow tells thor of the havoc loki has wrecked and he replies with, 'he's adopted' and a shrug. Before that, when Tony and Cap first confront thor after he tries to take loki away, we see loki taking pleasure in Thor getting his ass kicked. I feel that these two have always been portrayed one way throughout the series and it wouldn't feel right to have a poignant moment like that between them when there's no big reason or inciting incident to break that norm (like their mother dying, which actually made that happen a little) They are, after all, comic characters. We want to believe that they'll live forever. That they'll keep on bickering and teaming up and bickering again long after we are gone. I mean, sure, when/if thor dies in infinity war I would not like to see the moment treated in a Waititi way, but still, this kinda made sense to me. (sorry for the rant idk why i got this intense)
STFU Taika Waititi Is Comedy Genius See his other movies and Ragnarok wasn't bad its flaw is he tried to make thor funny which he never was that's why it feels strange
Dude the scene where Gamora asks Star Lord to kill her if thanos gets her gets ruined for me by Drax's comedy, they should've made the scene be more serious.
That is sooo awkward. This is from the heart. I feel that stating outright that there is a ‘problem with marvel’ and then it turns out that ‘problem’ is literally some very minor moments is a little ridiculous... this is my ‘problem’ with peoples problem with things in general. People take VERY minute tiny things that rub them the wrong way and blow it up into that tiny thing being the ENTIRE thing... people, it’s okay to like things about things. Really, we can learn to better enjoy things, it’s okay! We can have gripes, but let them be gripes. Making ‘problems’ out of simple gripes is why the world is just drowning in negativity these days. And we can truly enjoy the wonderful life we live... live the dream my friends, may the force be with you!
My review of Avengers: Infinity War: th-cam.com/video/nTVrPubm3jc/w-d-xo.html
I'm not gonna watch it, because I haven't seen the movie.
i enjoy the randomness of the joke seem to work for me
then again i got use to anime and they tend to do that
I think you're grossly mistaken.
It's not that the amount of comedy is an annoying aspect of the marvel movies, it's that you're annoyed by the amount.
The problem is not in the movies, The problem is you're annoyed.
Solution, stop bitching about it and go do something you enjoy, thus you'll have a better life.
iamthatroby thank you for telling us the truth about marvel movies but can you to one saying why dc comics tv shows and why some dc comics movies is better than some marvel movies like Wonder Woman and Shazam and Aquaman and Batman v Superman
lol i love all the salty comments from the marvel fanboy 😆
Marvel is so focused on humor that they undercut what could and should be the most emotional moments of their films by cracking jokes.
It originally felt like The Comics come to life during phase 1. There was the occasional screw up like Iron Man 3 but eventually we got to the point where Kevin Feige started taking too many liberties with the source material and started putting too much emphasis on comedy to the point it now feels like a parody of the Comics.
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I even saw an MCU Shill say they wanted Jack Black to play The Beyonder in Secret Wars.
@@bradleyrenfroe2776 ...
@@bradleyrenfroe2776 Please God no
'There are moments when you really wanna feel something and the movie doesn't let you' I agree completely. When watching Thor and Asgard is blown up, it's this really intense scene and you start to think of the magnitude of what's just happened, but then it's just instantly cut by a joke. I enjoy the comedy in Marvel but sometimes it needs to hold back.
That scene is the worst moment of all Marvel films, even tied with Fantastic 4 and the uneccesarily remaked worse Amazing Spider-man scenes.
ragnarok is complete shit and an insult to the source material
Yeah and even though I enjoyed Thor ragnorak. They made one of the most darkest stories into a comedy
Its because they tried it out and it didn't hit the mark. The comedy version got better reactions so it makes the final cut. Marvel movies are not for drama, its for action and comedy. I don't sit there and am worried about the safety of any of the characters because the movie doesn't set itself up like a drama. Its more like a heist movie. Fun, action, and comedy. However, I will say there is more of that drama aspect in earlier films like Sam Raimi's spiderman movies where peter is struggling with just living a life as well as being a super hero. The only time humor got involved was when peter was saying a cute little comeback to a villain. But to me it seems like they stepped away from that and went full on fun for the kids summer blockbuster hollywood type movie.
@Unpopular Opinions I saw it recently. It wasn't all that dark. It was actually more fun than anything. I don't even think there is even a review where someone was crying for the whole population of Asgard. You might as well tell me that you cried when Frieza killed everyone on planet Vageta.
Agreed. Too much comedy. It’s become too predictable and boring now
Your alive?
@@lightninghood7876 Yup
I agreee. Now lDisney marvel acquired XMEN, brace urself for jokes with Wolverines Claws and Cyclops eyes.
@@lightninghood7876 I got your joke after reading his name lmao
@@mcan-piano4718 imagine if Oscar Schindler was talking with the Jewish survivors about how he could've saved more people......
And out of nowhere, he farts and makes a weird face!!
That's what the MCU has turned into.
My main problems with Marvel is:
1. There is just too much comedy and it’s sometimes not given at good times
2. They don’t really seem to fix the mistakes that they make in multiple movies, so they seem to consistently make the same mistakes in multiple movies
This is why I love The Incredible Hulk it's dark, and has a serious tone, where Edward Norton who is the best portrayal of the Hulk he showed no laughs or a sense of humor towards his situation he was scared and was on a mission not cracking jokes
Your comment aged well
They're comedy is cringe
I think in some occasions Marvel doesn’t trust the epicness of their build up... they are too afraid of being cheesy that they have to put some jokes everywhere to lighten the tension
That's why Sam Raimi Spider-man was great. Those movies never tried to deny what they were. Maybe it's an early 2000s thing. Audiences could handle the cartoonishness back then. Then again, who's to say it wouldn't work now? Has any big budget super hero movie really tried?
no, they do that because they KNOW that the audience is dumb
yutube jode *marvel audience is dumb!
McShweezy how are marvel fans dumb, just cause they like something, it's called an Opinion
@@waldokleynhans6977 tbh with how people reacted to Wandavisions recent episode wanting action and comic character reveals instead of the emotional exploration of Wanda’s character it was, I don’t blame folk for saying the audience is base
This is my only problem with marvel movies. I loved them when they were dark and emotional. When the shit hit the fan and you actually feel the tension. Then they completely ruin it with some stupid ass joke. I noticed it in the first avengers movie and then I saw the next few movies that came out and it was the same thing. It just made me lose interest with the shitty written jokes forced into otherwise awesome scenes.
Same here bro. sometimes i forget daredevil and the punisher are apart of the mcu...
That's why Captain America winter soldier was the best mcu movie imo, it was dark and very serious.
It's called "bathos". Every dramatic moment has its legs chopped off with a joke.
@@luiscach4944 yess but please notice that That movies was before Disney bought Marvel sooooo, it was real Marvel who has serious and dark character. The reason is ''''DİSNEYY BOUGHT MARVEL '''
@@SuperTonyony Pathos, Logos, ethos is was popular is old movies and yes noowwww. no pathos logos ethos, its all about bathosss. I hate ittt. They should know the difference between comedy movie and hero movieeeee.
I agree with it all, but IMO, I think Quill firing at his dad was not suppose to be funny, I think he is letting out his anger by trying to kill the man who killed his mother. However everything that followed was bad comedy and timing and what not.
I totally understand how someone can interpret it that way.
I agree with you, I didn't find that scene funny at all. Quill just gets his anger out like that. He doesn't brood, he acts first and thinks later, just like any other Chris Pratt character.
I'd say it's even perfectly in character for Kurt Russel to act the way he does, the guy simply doesn't take anything seriously.
He doesn't start quipping, he just acts like a dad punishing his son for misbehaving because that's how he sees it.
He's just a deluded psychipath demigod so he takes it to an extreme.
I think the one truly egregious moment comes during the final fight when Quill turns into Pacman.
That just jumped the shark completely.
Totally agreed. I actually like how he turns into Hasselhoff. It shows how disconnected Ego really is from what actually matters to Quill. And it's another gut-punch to Starlord's fantasy of having a perfect dad- remember he wanted Hasselhoff to be his dad, but that's really a childish fantasy of his.
Ssalamanderr I couldn't agree more :)
The moment that asgard blew up... And it's played for laughs! Just wrong
Sure....but the airport fight in Civil war HAS to be more on the fun side in the beginning in order to create a proper escalation.
@@swanpride thats not true. Its just an unpopular opinion to not like it
@@swanpride "HAS to"? Why?
@@SuperTonyony Because if you are emotionally on one level the whole fight (on high tension) you lessen the impact when the participants start to get hurt.
It wasn't played for laughs though.
The whole thing with Peter shooting Ego was not humor IMO. I actually thought it was one of the most emotionally driven and dark moments in the movie. It was very raw and not humorous at all. However, the David Hasselhoff thing was out of place and I agree about that.
Of course Peter immediately shoots. That's the kind of guy he is. His instincts kicks in. He barely knows Ego, and his Mother was the closest family he fondly remembers. Yeah, he's gonna shoot without question at the realization that Ego killed his mom. That was pure Rage.
Ego transforms into David Hasselhoff to truly illustrate that everything Peter has seen is an illusion Ego crafted.
The thing that was really awful was when they ruined an epic moment by having starlord turn into PACMAN
BrownTownReviews I actually liked the PacMan thing, despite how dumb it was
BrownTownReviews Nah I feel that would actually happened based on his personality but if it was like any other character I would agree with you
it was meant to be humorous, kid
The unnecessary humor put me off all Marvel movies. That and the fact that most of the people can’t really act. Good things happen when you use people that can ACTUALLY act. Tom Hardy being a prime example
I agree with your point of the jokes but can you give some examples of people who did not act well in the MCU
@@apsvines you're looking to start a fight, Don't you?
Yeah that's not gonna happen...
@@apsvines Chris Hemsworth is a dogshit actor. There ya go.
RDJ's reaction to the reveal before the end fight in Civil War is quite possibly in the top 10 acted scenes I've seen.
Most of them can act? It’s the type of movies Marvel makes that doesn’t allow for the actors to shine, because the action and humor fills in
I agree with every point except for Gurdians vol. 2. I don’t belief that it was supposed to be comedic, Star Lord is developed as an immature, rash, and emotional throughout the two films, so it makes sense for him to fire is guns randomly in any attempt for revenge. Ego has a very high view of himself, as a god, so it makes sense for him to respond the way he does at first. Then, when becomes David Hasselhov, he’s not trying to be funny, he’s trying to emotionally manipulate his son with the image of the dad he always wished he had.
Guardians is a bad movie kid
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Yeah, I also don't think he was trying to be funny when he literally is staring at Ego with murderous intent, and Ego... well, is being egotistic lol
Is poorly done, so is imposible to care
The "marvel comedic universe"
The marvel cinematic universe
@@waldokleynhans6977 Whooooooosh.
Tony Midyett people make out the mcu to be a lot more comedic than it actually is, and the jokes really aren't that bad
@@waldokleynhans6977 You must have skipped Thor ragnarok
@@waldokleynhans6977 the jokes are awful. Marvel is an overrated dumpster fire. It’s a tv show but glorified because it makes money and kids like it
if the batman was written by marvel:
Batman:
" I am the vengeance"
"well that sounded a lot better in my head🤓"
"Let's stop the story every 5 minutes to tell a joke." -MCU
While I normally keep quiet about these things I cannot disagree more about yopur point in Guardians 2. Regarding the scene with Ego's confession about Quills mother. I thought that was not in any way funny. It's stated earlier in the movie that Quill would tell other kids that Hasslehoff was his father. Something that is both tragic and sad. Quill even admits this. The fact that Quill, without hesitation took action against the person he was so happy to see immediately made me emotional. He took away the most important person in his life. And he reacted in a very human way. Nothing about that was supposed to be funny. If you took it that way, fine. But looking at it from a writing and storytelling point of view it was not supposed to be funny.
I'm a fan of iamthatroby, but I agree with you Totally Not Mark. I think the Hasslehoff cameo here is excellent, and in context pretty disturbing, actually. Plus, Quill's reaction is totally consistent for his character, and when he instantly sees red I think it's actually an extremely human moment.
I still love you iamthatroby, but I disagree about your assessment of Marvel movies.
Exactly. Thank you
Your wrong it was clearly supposed to be funny which is why everyone laughed at it.
Well, it was funny to him. It was funny to me. Whole cinema chuckled. You cannot blame the audience for it, that's the misstep of film makers. If you feel differently, well, ok... I have this feeling Americans and parts of the west Europe consider these movies to be so much better than they actually are, to the point where they refuse to see any flaws. I guess its a cultural thing, Captain America is a cultural icon and so on... Still, its weird to me.
This summed up everything I was thinking during this part of the video, (just without the immense swearing and visible anger) this part of the film can be funny to some people but to everyone else (myself included) this was meant to be emotional and it fits with Quill's character perfectly and you can even see that carry over into infinity war. I would never say that even one Marvel movie has no flaws because they all have some flaws, all movies have flaws (APART FROM THE DARK NIGHT THAT FILM IS A MASTERSTROKE AND NO ONE CAN CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE) but I still love almost all of them and the others I at least like, (apart from Black Panther, I'm not being racist I just think that some of the choices in the film's writing weren't as good as the could have been and also the CGI fight at the end was just stupid.) There, rant over, thank you for summing up what I was thinking, and now I must depart. YEET!!!
I totally agree with your criticism about Dr Strange, but criticising comedies for having jokes is a bit weird. The GotG movies and Thor: Ragnarok are straight comedies, so of course they're gonna build up a "serious" moment and then "ruin" it with a joke, that's how comedies work. Dr Strange, however, is not a comedy, and is full of serious and emotional moments (not that the comedies aren't), and on many occasions they undercut them with a joke, and it totally takes you off, but in the MCU comedies, this should be expected...
there are a million ways to do a joke without ruining a good moment. there are 2 hrs+ of a movie you can have a joke in minus any serious scene.
I disagree with his thoughts on Thor: Ragnarok but Guardians of the Galaxy does have a lot of bad humour in it. I understand comedy is subjective, but when humour gets in the way of a serious moment it's not good comedy. In Thor, I think the joke that followed the serious moment actually made that moment, and the subsequent scene better. David Hasselhoff showing up mid sentence in GotG2 just made me scoff. The joke undercut the whole point of the scene for me.
I agree that the David Hasselhoff scene there was badly timed, but I think the rest of the movie times its' humour much better. And the end sequence with Yondu's death is so efficient at making me emotional without breaking it with humour that I find myself loving the overall end product. I guess it might have been a bit more emotional had the revelation between Ego and Quill been done better, but to me I just don't feel like that so-so scene ruins the whole movie. It just fails to improve the whole movie.
Phillydip GoTG2 made me hate the Guardians when watching. I didn’t find it funny when Drax was being a dick to Mantis. Then the fued Rocket and Star Lord had was just unnecessary and made me ask why.
I really liked GotG2 but I agree that the 'feud' wasn't well done.
I was thinking this throughout no way home, some were so out of character just so they can make unfunny and dragging jokes
Same! Just saw it today and I just hate how they ruin tension and serious scenes with humor. It really frustrates me
@@nickm.visuals that’s cause NWH was so trash
@@you12praise85 I'll be honest it's the best thing out of Phase 4 besides Moon Knight but the humor just wasn't landing. The emotional moments and climax were definitely worth it. Jsut my opinion though.
@@Ixe2077 look, if the humor wasn’t there all the time killing serious moments, then it would have somewhat been better. But the humor was so cringe and felt forced
Why can't MCU make movies like Logan? They should give more creative freedom to their directors?
@Exar kun The dark side cosmic entity And it makes the crossovers easier.
If they had standalone movies or trilogies with very different tone, it would be impossible for them to make these retarded crossovers "retards in gay costumes assemble", and crossovers are apparently a cash cow because various people want to see them for various characters they like the most. Or this is what I think the executives think.
I completely agree. The MCU doesn't take itself seriously, and I'm not gonna watch another Marvel movie till it does.
I wouldn’t say it doesn’t take itself seriously completely. Shang Chi and No Way Home were incredible films are some of my favorite movies ever and they were both in 2021.
@@jesuspernia8031 agreed
Moon Knight? It's not a movie but hey! it takes child abuse pretty seriously
I loved marvel movies back when I was like 16, I love the humor, bad or good--- love it, kinda immature but hey I'm still young that time. Now I'm 21, I can't watch those films anymore. it's like my mind doesn't want those kind of movies anymore, I don't know why.
@Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad Same.
@Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad yes
Watch dc movies like man of steel dark knight triology batman vs superman wonder woman aquaman and snyder cut justice league all great movies
@Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad same
Same for me
I wouldn't say Peter trying to kill his dad was meant to be comedic. It shows that above all, even after meeting his father and knowing that he's a literal God, Quill is still a little kid at heart that has nothing but love for his mom. Even Ego saying "Who in the hell do you think you are" doesn't ruin what's been going on, I think it shows just how pissed he is that his son would try murdering him. The moment that ruins the scene for me is when Ego transforms into Hasslehoff, which completely ruins the revelation and (in my opinion) Peter's appropriate reaction
he turned into hasslehoff because of the conversation peter and gamora had earlier in the movie. Ego is a celestial, he overheard their conversation.
Spot on. It's almost like they're afraid to be caught letting the characters or situations be serious.
This is why even the better movies of the mcu never will be great films. There is too much comedy, some of them is pretty bad / unfunny.. and sometimes it is placed at the exact wrong moment... the mcu just doesn't care enough about atmosphere, they rather install some cheap jokes to "entertain" people
You should watch “What Writers Should Learn From Wonder Woman” by Just Write, it delves in deeper with marvel’s humor problem and that civil war scene
With all do respect, Wonder Woman was a bland tripe that was overhyped to no end.
@@liampatrick3110 😂
@@liampatrick3110 atleast it is not cringe and ugly looking tv-show type movie
With Thor Love and Thunder this problem has tripled.
Wonderful essay and I think as you say, the Raimi films are funny and cheesy and tongue-in-cheek yet none of that negates the emotion and stakes. I feel like instead of a lot of the comedy in these MCU films stemming naturally from the world and the characters, they feel tacked on a lot of the time. Like they hired another guy to come in and 'punch up' the script with jokes.
Grimdark is not the only way that superhero stories can have stakes and real emotion, and there are several films which show that.
Once you use humour to deflate most of the more dramatic elements of the film (and in some cases, quite literally after a moment of character building is supposed to happen), then it makes the whole thing feel empty. It is almost as if Marvel is afraid of having real weight in their films so they hide it behind humour.
And the Cap, Bucky and Tony battle coupled with T'Challa's scene with Zemo is some of the best stuff, emotion-wise, Marvel has done. That and the entirety of TWS show that the Russos are great, and the real problem, as you say, lies with Marvel Studios and not necessarily the filmmakers they hired. (Exception to that would probably be Vol 2, as I think Gunn was given carte blanche in that case).
Iron man 1 was good
Benjamin Sagman yup. Because i have zero expectations for a mcu debut
No sh*t
The only good movie from the MCU
Meh the end was better than the middle
I didn't like the ending that much. That suit vs suit thing. I wish they came up with something more creative. Cause they did the same damn thing in Iron man 2. At least in IM3, the guy isn't wearing a suit.....Extremis....of course there are bigger probs to worry about in that film lol
Airport Battle must have had humor. What did you expect having Ant-Man and Spider-Man here? That Widow-Hawkeye moment isn't them two quipping around - it was Widow checking If Clint - her best friend - isn't upset that she chose a different side of the conflict. Clint being Clint - jokes. That's in his character. He's the one joking. Widow wasn't. And "If the tone remained mature" Mature doesn't mean dark.
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And as for the civil war they aren’t trying to really hurt each other they are friends and have fought together . While Spider-Man and Ant-Man do most of the comedy since both don’t share the same connection to others and black panther is just going for the kill
Exactly. And aside from the airport scene, Civil War hardly has any humor at all. I don't get the issues people have.
secretagentman beciase they want to be highly ciritcal of sucess out of jealousy. The creator is a known dc fan. Some of his points are fair ( especially some pf ragnorok) but the civil war point falls flat
Plus, the very point of the battle is that the situation escalates...you need the fun in the beginning so that the ending hits harder. Not to mention that the final battle of the movie is everything but fun.
Same with GotG Vol 2, the movie is full of jokes, but when it has to be serious, it is.
There are a few moments in which they overdo it...ie at the end of Ragnarök....but it is hardly an ongoing problem. With so any movies, you are bound to have a few missteps once a while.
exactly
While I agree with the complaints about Thor and Dr. Strange, I disagree about Civil War. I found the airport scene to be realistic emotionally, most of the heroes fighting each other are friends, and have worked together for years. Clint and Natasha have a pre established relationship so the “we’re still friends right?” feels natural. Same goes for the banter between Hawkeye and Iron Man, even though they are fighting each other, they aren’t trying to kill each other (except Panther and Bucky). I don’t think there would be a way to write that scene without some bathos, without some levity. If the battle didn’t have the humor it would feel, I don’t know, melodramatic? I also think the end of act 2 needed to be light, in order to fully grasp the importance of the REAL fight (Steve v Tony), because that fight is real, it’s raw. Sorry for the rant! Great Video though man.
bullshit, Civil War was not emotional, it was not done that well for that
nah, it was emotional, at least for me and lot's of others, sorry that it couldn't hit you with that punch
Et Cogito Ergo Sum opinions
The final battle feels more of a rage kill, like Tony knows the dude was brainwashed and had no control? Tony is worse cause he had control. I feel Civil War is not as good, really wish they had kept it personal between Bucky and Captain America, and not brought the whole Avengers.
The airport fight was not emotional at all. A battle that should be taken seriously is ruined and sprinkled with jokes because Marvel doesn’t have the balls to adapt a dark story correctly.
this is my problem with the whole film industry. they want to make movies for everyone and ultimatly do movies for no one.
couldn't agree more. for any flaws spiderman hc stands to be the best "comedy" of the mcu by miles.
Homecoming is just a bad movie
How could it be the best by Miles, when he wasn't even in the movie!
Hassaan Aamer Looks like you never read a Spider-Man comic. He’s supposed to have a sense of humor.
yutube jode No it’s not you idiot.
@@Jonathanest90s i need you to re-read my comment.
Another problem I have with the entire MCU is that they barely deal with death
Like when the heroes got dusted in infinity war, everybody knew that they would come back
And even though Tony Stark and Natasha are dead, they will come back in the black widow movie then cap got old and lived in the past rumors say he's coming back
Just giving out an opinion 👌
The black widow movie will shows what Natasha did between civil war and infinity war
yea kinda like dragon ball z
This is the main reason why I moved onto DC because they know how to balance comedy and tragedy. They don’t over do comedy.
The scene where Rat-catcher 2 found her purpose in life was tear inducing.
@@sammy1552 Sorry I’m two weeks late, but yeah it really was, The Suicide Squad was a brilliant movie better than the 2016 one.
@@enderethan144 all the shit in the same toilet, you folks should at least be getting paid to advertise these trash films
Problem(s) with Marvel movies - Lack of creativity, comedy, and dumb/generic stories for their dumb down audience.
@Snehil Shrey that’s why all are mediocre. Nothing special or groundbreaking or challenges the audience at all.
MY PROBLEM WITH MARVEL IS THAT THEY ALWAYS HAVE COMEDY ITS SO STUPID AND ANNOYING SPECIALLY THOR RAGNAROK THE WORST ONE YET, AND STILL THERE ARE MORE WITH THAT ISSUE. DIRECTORS NEVER LEARN?
Finally an actual criticism and not " it's just corporate feminist propoganda and they're all the same"
It being “corporate feminist propaganda” is a valid criticism and actually proven by Bob Iger forcefully inserting Captain Marvel into the Infinity Saga. It’s just not it’s only problem nor it’s biggest
Dude this is where I feel anime does sooo much better. In shows like naruto, jujutsu kaisen, demon slayer, etc, there is balance. Like they have comedy but don’t use it when there are serious situations, making the viewer actually care for what’s about to happen. With marvel, I totally agree with what you said. Most of the time, they never allow the user to really feel any serious emotions because it’s always blocked off with corny humor.
Anime is also awful. Too much fanservice. It's great for teens and kids but it's not great overall.
@@eramos8916 It's a much wider medium than you think. Can't blame you for being dismissive of that type of thing, but that's mostly associated with surface level shows and genres.
My problem with Marvel movies is that they focus so much on trying to be funny and their cool CGI effects, that their 11 year old audience doesn't even care about the Plot/story, the movies are literally comedy and cool CGI, that's it, there's nothing really amusing about the story line most of the time.
I think you nailed the fact that the MCU goes overboard with the humor. It’s frustrating
Nowaday the turn all marvel characters into stand up comedians, that is really to much, even the cartoons had more seriousness than this movies, it is just too much of cool speeches and humour.
I realized the MCU wasn't really about respecting the source material but making everything a big joke. Most of their directors are known for making sitcoms. I get it, they couldn't use every character since they didn't have the rights. But whose fault was that? MARVEL 's! They only know the basics of every character and have to shove in dumb jokes to make up for the shitty writing. And I know the movies can't be 100% like the comics but they could atleast try to give them more depth instead of just being big dumb action movies. As bad as the DCEU is atleast they TRY to get to know those characters before they adapt them. Seems like Marvel Studios doesn't respect those characters at all but they know people will still go see them just because they see that big red logo. I used to be a big Marvel fan but once I got the wool from over my eyes I realized that these adaptations were just watered-down versions of the comics I used to read back in the day. And shoving Stan Lee in every one was just a cheap way of pandering IMO. I have no interest in the next phase of the MCU. They blew their load with ENDGAME.
I may sound nuts but I don't think the Hasselhoff part was meant to be funny, it was horrifying.
Count Deku exactly I found that scene pretty intense.
Hard agree- it was shocking and jarring, and completely in character for both Peter and Ego
I didn't know he was David Hasselhoff.
Sadly I don’t ever think we’ll get another movie like iron man or captain America. The golden age of MCU movies were sadly short lived and the future looks like nothing but bland unoriginal generic lazy action comedy summer movie. Thor Ragnarok doesn’t make me feel the same way Thor did. Each movie was distinct and had their own twist. Show me clips from any movie after age of ultron and I could not tell you if it’s a different movie or what movie it is so sadly I think the MCU should just end before it becomes too much.
im sorry but the whole idea of 'tonal consistancy' makes no sense...LIFE ISNT TONALY CONSISTANT, PEOPLE LAUGH AT FUNERALS, PEOPLE GET UPSET AT CLOWNS AND STAND UP NIGHTS, like for real, things dont slowly transition between intended emotions, my family members have cracked jokes at funerals and people have taken a break from crying for that one moment and laughed, forcing a movie to stick to one emotion is boring and dull
FUCKIN YES THANK YOU why doesn't this comment have a million likes why does noone realise how utterly stupid that concept is even recently I went through something horrible but me and my mother were able to joke about a bit then argue then cry that just is how life is the people that believe in tonal consistency have probably never been through anything.
Well said. People get fixated on a certain aspect of movies, especially those that have taken film studies 101 and are now professional critics. lol. In all seriousness, its hard to poke holes in the MCU, so I guess something needs to be said at least. Not saying hes wrong in his video, its just not a strong argument whatsoever.
@@Anipixelz dude tonal consistency doesn't mean you can't have comedy. The Lord of the rings movies are dark fantast epics yet there are moments of levity constantly however what matters is when and how that humor is used and if it fits in the movie. Take Winter soldier the best marvel film by far the movie opens on quips with cap and falcon. It's used perfectly here because it feels natural and it's for the purpose of characters bonding. Now take civil war where the entire movie pauses whenever it feels like the movie is getting too serious. Bucky and falcon noddin in the car when cap kisses Carter's niece. A dramatic fight between being laden with quips and jokes eliminating virtually any stakes and the worst one of all at the end of the film Rhodes is paralyzed weve just had this dramatic climax and it ends on a joke with him saying Tony stank GET IT CUZ HIS LAST NAME IS STARK NOT STANK HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Tonal consistency is important in films and books and any type of story telling. I mean comedies can have drama and dramas can have comedy in them but if ur film can't seem to make up it's mind on which it wants to primarily be and the two tones are clashing then you've failed as a filmmaker. I'll use the Truman show as an example that movie is a freaking Master class in how to make a dramatic comedy, the comedy is never forced it comes from the character and his setting while the drama slowly builds over time as he slowly begins to learn his life is a lie then the movie is almost entirely a drama for it's final act. These tones are consistent they don't class they work perfectly together. Marvel has failed at this in almost every movie post guardians 1 because everything after that movie they've felt needs to be laugh out loud fun so any time they try to go darker they still feel forced to add forced humor. Infinity war did a slightly better job but still alot of humor was out of place and I still hate how they turned drax into a joke of a character.
No one cracks that many jokes at funerals bro, no one
who the hell laughs at a funeral
Completely agree with everything you said. It's grown quite annoying. Almost as if marvel scared into taking things seriously. BP was everything I want from Marvel and more.
I know this is late, but recent MCU movies feel samey to me because, in a sense, they are. Almost everyone either ranges from awkward, to stoic, or to a overly silly. The jokes are pretty much all the same, awkward safe humor and references to old movies. I'm left wondering, "Do people actually talk like this? Just randomly bring up old movies in their jokes?" What I like about Wonder Woman (1st one) and what I like about Shazam is that those movies FEEL different from one another. Shazam is a cheesy, campy superhero movie, while Wonder Woman is a fish-out-of-water war movie from what I remember. I'm about positive that Shang-Chi will use the same boring awkward humor that the other MCU movies have. They'll probably be the cute, quirky girl protagonist and forced romance as well.
I disagree with the Thor Ragnarok being that tone deaf. Scenes like odins death, when the Valkyre girl remembers her past, Thor talking with Odin in the hela battle and the Thor/Loki chat in the ship were great moments not undercut by jokes. There were some like you pointed out but also good ones. But great essay, keep it up.
Thor Ragnarok is one of the best CBM of all time. Dont let this idiot fun-haters tell you otherwise. I dont go to watch these flying superpowered aliens to cry. It is just fun and better for it.
One of the best CBM of all time? Not even in the top 10 for me. Even though i had a great time watching that movie, I couldn't connect to any of the characters. Maybe Valkyrie a bit. And just cause it's a comedy movie doesn't mean i shouldn't care about or be invested in the characters or story. Hell, i even sympathized with Ace Ventura when he discovered that Einhorn is a man, but i didn't feel anything when Asgard got destroyed or when Odin died.
Best Thor movie? Hell yes.
Yup. One of the best CBM of all time. Without a doubt. Remember that Laughter and Joy are also emotions. The movie has some of the best action and some of the best comedies ever in a comic book movie. It does what it sets out to do in the best possible way and it is the best version of what it wants to be. Also, there is no other CBM like it. If it didnt work for you, it is fine. But just lampooning on others for enjoying this movie, and sort of looking down upon comedy seems to be a trend these days, which I dislike.
Nileshkumar I completely agree. It's really pathetic that some people nit pick these movies this badly. They're marvel movies, not drama's.
They shouldn't try to out serious the Dark Knight, the whole reason Marvel has been successful is because they're not taking it too seriously. People want to be entertained. And the best part about it is these movies usually do have amazing stories, and epic moments, while also having comedy. The comedy doesn't detract from jack shit. Just look at Deadpool too. Super dark, super hilarious. That's a good thing.
Fuck off haters.
Odin dying doesn't even make sense, is just a sort of an anti-deux machinima, so the whole plot doesn't solve in 30 seconds. Then Loki suffers no consequence ir rage from Thor, despite Osama Bin Laden attack on New York and killing his dad. He treats him as if he were a kid that didn't eat his vegetables. A truly retarded film, I wish it were declared non-canon
I think you're not seeing how a scene can do more than one thing. It can be comedic but also say something more. The David Hasselhoff scene in GotGv2 shows how Ego is still trying to manipulate Peter, who stated in a previous scene that he had always dreamed about Hasselhoff being his dad. Same thing with the Ragnarök scene; 'Get Help' shows the former friendship between Thor and Loki. This inside joke between them is a great relationship moment as well as obivously having a comedic purpose. But I still get your point. I also don't like that Dr Strange moment and there are more like this all over the MCU. I just think you could have taken some better examples.
bullshit, the comedy is just awful, and not all mcu needs to be brainles comedies for dumb kids
Et Cogito Ergo Sum aww you dont like the film and you hate people giving good points about its cool story and such?
Rocket Raccoon yeah, I feel like the little jokes like these make the characters feel more human
The MCU movies are pretty much dumbed down for the average movie watcher and kids/teens and follow the same formula. I watched Endgame once since I wanted to see how the current phase was going to end but I think I'm pretty much done with the MCU. I'll go back to manga and anime.
The Campy jokes are completely out of control. It seems they keep the same formula for every movie. I have figured out why this is. They need to reach people who are not necessarily fans of comics... So stupid people basically. They don't trust that the storyline and characters will be enough to hold their attention, so they throw humor in to break it up. Stupid people love jokes... especially really lame, campy ones. I think the humor is for the idiots who do not actually care about the plot or the characters.
I love jokes if they are executed and thought out while I do like the marvel movies i know there not strong movies the strongest superhero movie I've seen was batman v superman
I mean I don't think just because a movie has deaths in it its automatically a dark movie
would it be a big problem if I said the raimi trilogy is much better than the marvel we have now?
Thor Ragnarok from the comics is supposed to be an extremely serious event with the fate of all of Asgard on the line, yet they made it one big unfunny shitty comedy.
I have seen many Marvel fanboys saying Martin Scorsese, christopher Nolan, James Cameron are overrate their movies are boring.
They comparr the masterpieces with MCU movies and trash the good quality movie . they think 2-3 action scenes, cringe forced humour, that's movies for them.
I use to think like this when I was 10-16 .
Sad truth is many people are 20-50 still think MCU is a masterpiece and they trash Martin Scorsese, Nolan and many skilled director movies and call them overrated.... 🙄
I'm in the same boat as you. I was a huge fan of the MCU and I used to get super hyped up about Civil War and Infinity War and stuff but now as I've become an adult I've started to realise how generic and formulaic they really are. Every movie is basically the same, big CGI fights, generic orchestral music, lack of character depth, lame jokes, etc. When I think of Marvel, I think of Daredevil on Netflix, the X: Men films, Sam Raimi's Spider-Man films not the MCU. It doesn't try to do anything different or creative. They know that people will literally watch anything that they put out so they just keep bringing more generic shit out and that's the sad truth but I'm glad that DC is doing something different. For example, I'm super excited for The Batman and after seeing the last two Planet of The Apes films, I think Matt Reeves is gonna absolutely kill it!
finally someone talk about it!! I always find jokes in marvel movie odd and forced. Iron man 1 is probably the last marvel movie I enjoyed
Yeah man the last Marvel Movie I actually enjoyed was Deadpool 2.
Tbh the only Marvel Movies I like are ones not owned by Disney or SONY.
same man. Iron man 1 is the best mcu movie for me.
Have you reviewed Suckerpunch I feel weird being the one guy in friend group thar praises it
I’m certainly interested in looking at it
Do Marvel think they're Monty Python or something?
Comic wise, yes
Who THE FUCK laughed during Quill Shooting Ego and him turning into Hasselhoff?
Yep, I didn´t. I don´t think it was supposed to be funny. Starlord was angry and Ego tried to manipulate him through taking a form of his favourite actor from his childhood.
Totally get your complaints its not that the films have jokes it's their tendency to turn what could have been emotional moments into one liners for a quick laugh that takes away any weight or emotion the scene tried setting up. Great vid man
this aged quite well given recent mcu outputs
Almost all the main characters in Marvel are like this, all of them are immature and try to be funny, because people like the class clown, you see it? Sometimes when the character isn't likable, they add their shitty jokes in to make him/her likable.
This is why I consider Thor Ragnarok the WORST FILM in the MCU.
THANK YOU. I couldn't really stand the humour even when I was younger, to be honest. I don't mind having a few laughs while watching serious actions scenes or whatever, don't get me wrong. It just that the kind that's used in these movies feels very, very cheap in my opinion.
Update on my opinion after 1 year: So... everything Marvel sorta grew on me since the beginning of this year. Ngl even at the point of making this comment I was pretty uptight about superhero stuff. And I kinda regret it. I finally managed to let go of a sorta "higher than thou" attitude when it came to people liking this type of film and I ended up enjoying it myself.
Have to agree that while some things don't land sometimes with the MCU, I'd say a whole lot do. Maybe not what you wanna hear as a person willing to hate on Marvel like I used to at some point, but idk I'm just being truthful rn. :))
where's that jl sigh show video? can't find it, it was so funny
WB took it down because of "copyright"
Im sorry but Marvel movies are very forgettable and im not much hyped to re-watch them. To this day can re-watch the dark knight trilogy, Man of steel and batman superman because they are aging like fine wine and i dont care what critics say.
Best Marvels movies are the ones that are not produced by Disney. Movies like Logan, X Men Days of Future Past, X Men First Class, The Amazing Spider-Man, Sam Raimi's Spider-Man movies, X Men 1 and 2, Daredevil and Pu nisher on Netflix are some of the things based on Marvel comics. And the MCU movies after Thor 2011 started following this generic formula and basically every one of them feels the same with jokes that have to be made every 5 mins and characters not taking themselves to seriously
@alexander soelaiman Damn son! 😲
@alexander soelaiman no, I meant that I was amazed by your scores and calculations. Good job.
@alexander soelaiman Here's my list. I'll do top 10 just to keep it short:
1. Captain America 2
2. Iron Man 1
3. GOTG Vol.1
4. Thor 1
5 . Civil War
6. The Avengers
7. Captain America 1
8. Doctor Strange
9. Ant-Man
10. Avengers Endgame
@alexander soelaiman Forget MCU. What are you top 10 comic book movies?
Spider-Man No Way Home destroyed Doctor Strange with the stupid humor
i LOVE marvel, but i have to agree with you. one of the reasons why my favourite marvel movie so far is spiderman homecoming, is because it's humor doesn't feel out of place. and the scene where peter was just calling out for help really got to me and they didn't add jokes to the scene at all.
This is what I have been trying to tell people about. The movies now just have too many jokes in it. You can easily tell they increased their comedy use in the movies when you look back at the First Avengers and Age of Ultron vs Infinity War and Endgame.
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I like it.
iamthatroby I have to echo the notion that Peter Quill shooting at Ego wasn't comedy, everything that followed was. He meant to seriously kill Ego, and Ego was only protected by his plot armour.
you are right, but you draw the wrong conclusions. Indeed, these movies are tonally all over the place, but it's only your problem: you want complex characters, gripping drama, themes, in short, you want serious movies. But you have to see that these movies are: 1: superhero movies, 2: blockbuster movies. Neither genre lends itself to too much seriousness.
These movies have to cater to large audiences, and as you can see from the box office numbers, they succeed.
If you want serious superhero movies, you have to look elsewhere: the Nolan movies, Watchmen, Super, Kick Ass, Mystery Men, Chronicle.... but since they are more serious, and less interested in spectacle, they in turn don't bring that much profit either, with maybe the exception of the Batman trilogy
Minor grammar thing: it’s Les Cinéphiles
That starlord scene is no where near funny 😑
Starlord shoots him cause he found out he killed his mom. This was a reach
Yh. This reviewer is trippin
WHO LAUGHED????!!!!
"Marvel needs to control their sense of humor"
Sounds like Marvel turning into Chandler Bing
What's the name of the music you used? I would really appreciate a response.
DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THE OVERUSE OF COMEDY
I noticed it way before Civil War. One of the reasons I hate Thor TDW is because after a genuinely beautiful and sad funeral scene, we cut to Erik in a mental home having a breakdown... God forbid we have a moment to actually feel for the characters, nope, give laugh and keeping throwing your money at them.
I actually kinda disagree on your criticism of civil war losing its tone. Most of the comedy there is produced by ant man and spider man, both of whom are naturally funny and relatively new recruits who don't understand the magnanimity of the event and the stakes involved. SO technically they were just being themselves and helping out whoever asked them for help.
Unless you're a comic book fan, that argument falls flat.
@@FieldMarshalFeels eh...not here with the characters. I mean I think they do get it but they are still rather comedic at times
@@Jdudec367 finally someone who understands, like obviously starlord is gonna be starlord and antman is gonna be antman even in a team up movie, thats why the jokes in infinity war works so well, the quips are mostly from the character who naturally quips and joke around, ironman, spiderman, guardians, antman and so on
@@Jdudec367 finally someone who understands, like obviously starlord is gonna be starlord and antman is gonna be antman even in a team up movie, thats why the jokes in infinity war works so well, the quips are mostly from the character who naturally quips and joke around, ironman, spiderman, guardians, antman and so on
@@abdmin3268 yep
Captain America the winter solider was the only marvel movie without packed comedy.
I completely agree, and I've said this to multiple people.
I said to everyone but they always loved jokes and fun. I cant understand others
Guardians 2 is the PEAK of your thesis for me. Guess that’s why I keep forgetting it came out last year
Thanks dude!
Love your content
I loved the first part, because of how it didn't take itself seriously. In fact, maybe that's the only Marvel movie I genuinely enjoyed (I'm sure I'll love Ragnarök, but I didn't have the chance to see that yet). But in Guardians 2, I don't think the tonal shifts were the problem. I didn't really care about Peter and his daddy issues (or anyone's daddy issues) in the first place, and Ego is a typical comic book character so I couldn't take him seriously. However, I didn't mind these. What my problems were though is that the humour is much cheaper and wants to wink at us constantly (the only exception is Drax. I love that guy). The humour in the first one was charming and quirky. My other problem was that it became too much like the other Marvel movies, and the complete third act was just one big and overly drawn out setpiece.
Ragnarok was it actually, that was awful
Yes; I completely felt the exact same way about the movie;
yet everyones been telling me
"wow it was my favorite movie of the year and it was so funny"
but no...
i love GOTG2 in fact it stands as my favorite MCU film so far
but in my case this happens to me with doctor strange, antman, black panther, iron man sequels, etc.
This was my biggest problem with Infinity War. It's a good movie, all things considered, but I don't place it as high as a lot of people do, because the entire movie is a tonal mess.
It was built up for years to be this big, dark, serious event that was going to push the heroes to their limit. But it's hard to take it seriously when it's constantly trying to get multiple laughs out of you every 2 minutes--including during what should be very serious, emotional scenes.
@The Cambot Tonal mess because it's hard to take anything seriously when almost every serious moment in the movie is undercut by, or followed up with a joke. The only time I felt the weight of what was happening was the last 20 minutes.
Aside from that, my only other serious issue with both Infinity War and Endgame is that a lot of development and seemingly important stuff happens off-screen (for example: Hawkeye becoming Ronin, Thor's depression).
Infinity War and Endgame easily could have been their own Phase of the MCU, instead of being an ending to Phase 3.
This is actually the reason I stopped caring for Marvel films. I apreciate you bringing this problem up.
I agree that the comedy is sometimes poorly timed, but you can't call this a "big" problem for Marvel. Marvel is doing great, its one of the highest grossing franchises of all time and it regularly breaks box office records no matter the comedy level of each film. The movies aren't masterpieces of film but they're not meant to be. They're meant to be broad appeal money machines and they succeed at that more than any other franchise out right now.
I agree that the comedy should be managed and that it COULD become a "big problem" for Marvel. But right now it's not a problem, people are still paying hundreds of millions to a billion to see each film. It's not a problem until the market says it is.
Look at the title of the video, man. This is MY problem. This is why I don't connect to these movies as much as I wish I could. The comedy ruins dramatic moments for me.
It is the biggest and main problem with the mcu, the sucess does not mean they are actual good movies, kid
yutube jode Of course they’re are good movies. This is why people keep seeing them. You are a fucking dumbass. Or maybe you are a DCEU fan just jealous so much on Marvel’s success.
Alicia Changsan no Bollywood us a crap on bother level where i literally see fault in almost every scenes
I feel that the Ant-Man films offer a nice blend of comedy and sincerity that most modern Marvel films seem to lack. The emotional moments always feel genuine because they are hardly ever undercut with jokes that come immediately after them; in fact the only joke I can think of that does this is in the first film is when Scott butts into Hank's emotional confession to Hope, something that all the characters comment on in the same scene.
The worst offender in my eyes is the scene in GotG Volume 2 where Nebula answers a crewmember's question about what she'll do when she retrieves the 'batteries' by describing the trauma she sufferred at the hands of Thanos (and Gamora), only for him to respond with a stupid line about her buying jewellery. Then again, this could just be a by-product of James Gunn and Marvel's sh*tty treatment of women, but I digress.
TL; DR: go watch the Ant-Man movies right now!
Yeah, and in spiderman: Far From Home they make a joke about the thanos snap. Something that made 4 billion people lost their love ones for 5 years, and would probably traumatize everyone, *is just play as a joke* . And it doesn't seem to affect anyone. It just seems like they don't care.
What??? I´ve never been a MCU fan, even the trailers look like boring and generic CGI mess... But this is just sick. It is as if they were making jokes about the destruction of Alderaan in Star Wars.
I really hated the scene on Infinity War when Thor arrived at Wakanda. The scene where he joked about Captain America copying his beard. It ruins the tone. Same with Endgame when Thor joked with Captain America, yet again, about using the Storm Breaker saying "you have the little one". It completely ruins the scene
Moreover *I* *went *for* *the* *head* , everyone laughed at thanos getting beheaded literally now from which side it seems thanos is likeable to these goons,thanos have emotions,lol
Well you predicted the future
Another thing is that the comedy doesn’t really help when each movie has the same type of jokes and amount of jokes. It makes every movie feel like they were made by the same cast.
Agree 100% Ragnarok and Guardians 2 just can't let a moment sink in, is joke after joke. I hope Infinity War gets its shit together
It's the Russo Bros, so I'm sure it'll be good at worst, fantastic at best.
Looking at Black Panther, it's likely that they will get their shit together on this.
You missed the point, it's not about being "dark", is about having stakes and letting a moment breathe. If there's no consequences for the characters, why should we care?
@Snehil Shrey that doesnt matter. Batman's about a billionare dressing up as a bat yet that works as a dark story.
Marvel's biggest problem here is Disney. The mouse isn't interested in elevating their movies. All that matters is the money they make. If test audiences overwhelmingly rate a movie's humor as being their favorite aspect then LA LA logic states that the more you add the more money it will make and from what we've seen thus far who can say their wrong. Just don't expect anything to rise too often above the level of brain dead entertainment. After all, success can always buy prestige in Hollywood.
I'm not too much bothered by this because one can expect that 99% of anything will be crap but it's the 1% that bucks the average that makes it worthwhile. My problem is that it appears as though They've conditioned audiences to expect that all super hero movies must be popcorn comedies but comic book fans know better. We know that these characters are capable of far greater range than the house of the mouse will permit. Maybe with the recent acquisition of 20th Century Fox they can be moved under that banner for greater artistic flexibility. Time will tell.
I completely agree that marvel needs to reign in their use of bathos for comedic purposes, they shouldn't stop using it completely because if done right, it can really be meaningful and say something about the characters (adventure time has mastered this I find). But that doesn't stop guardians vol. 2 from being my favourite Marvel film.
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I think Bathos can work, it just depending on the timing. Good example in the MCU is when Hulk was beating up Loki mid-monologue in the Avengers. It undercuts Loki's dramatic speech, but doesn't actually undercut any legitimate drama. The issue with a lot of more recent MCU films is that their use of bathos impedes on legitimate dramatic moments.
Just a Lonely Blobfish that's kinda what i said wasn't it? I said they overuse it and because if used apropriately it can be really effectieve
LJLvids Oh sorry, must have misinterpreted you.
Just a Lonely Blobfish don't worry about it, things like that happen.
but that does not stop Guardians 2 from being a bad film
6:40 This was not meant to be funny. That’s like saying Star Lord punching Thanos in Infinity War is intended to make the audience laugh. It’s a pivotal moment and Peter’s reaction is in line with his character.
I respect your opinion overall but simply disagree. Most people that have serious beef with Marvel movies I’ve found hate the films for the same reasons that hundreds of millions love the films. I can’t do dry, ultra serious super hero films. I don’t think it’s inherently wrong to lighten moods with jokes. I think it’s a proven part of what has made marvel so successful, and a critical part in marvel maintaining its general public audience post End Game
My problem is that the mcu was popularized so much, to the point the one thing that made me unique was ruined by people who laughed at me for loving it a few months before the infinity war trailer was released.
Remember when being a nerd wasn’t cool
In guardians 2 when he finds out his dad killed his mum, to me at least is not meant to be a comedic moment. Peter quill let’s his emotions control him essentially when it comes to people he loves, that moment is his anger and then fathers disgust as he thinks what he is doing is for peter. It’s a really good moment in the film and helps build his character so he can become the reason they cannot get the gauntlet in infinity war
Ì completely understand and agree with you, and I'm no expert but I have some things to say about that scene in ragnarok with thor and loki and your observation that the movie didn't 'give us time' to feel that bonding and zoomed straight into comedy.
1. The way I think Waititi structured the movie (even though it doesn't exactly align with the rest of MCU in that matter) is to have these characters face adversity and adventure in the same, constantly comic-spirited way. I think that to have thor and loki stop at that moment would have hurt the sanguine nature of the movie.
2. Think about the Avengers and the little scenes between the brothers in it. In one scene, the Black Widow tells thor of the havoc loki has wrecked and he replies with, 'he's adopted' and a shrug. Before that, when Tony and Cap first confront thor after he tries to take loki away, we see loki taking pleasure in Thor getting his ass kicked. I feel that these two have always been portrayed one way throughout the series and it wouldn't feel right to have a poignant moment like that between them when there's no big reason or inciting incident to break that norm (like their mother dying, which actually made that happen a little)
They are, after all, comic characters. We want to believe that they'll live forever. That they'll keep on bickering and teaming up and bickering again long after we are gone. I mean, sure, when/if thor dies in infinity war I would not like to see the moment treated in a Waititi way, but still, this kinda made sense to me. (sorry for the rant idk why i got this intense)
You know why taika waititi refused to direct GOTG 3.
because he used all his crappy jokes in thor Ragnarok.
STFU Taika Waititi Is Comedy Genius See his other movies and Ragnarok wasn't bad its flaw is he tried to make thor funny which he never was that's why it feels strange
Please do more videos like this. Thanks to u , I feel being understood among all those Disney MCU fans who love those jokes and movies
Dude the scene where Gamora asks Star Lord to kill her if thanos gets her gets ruined for me by Drax's comedy, they should've made the scene be more serious.
That is sooo awkward. This is from the heart. I feel that stating outright that there is a ‘problem with marvel’ and then it turns out that ‘problem’ is literally some very minor moments is a little ridiculous... this is my ‘problem’ with peoples problem with things in general. People take VERY minute tiny things that rub them the wrong way and blow it up into that tiny thing being the ENTIRE thing... people, it’s okay to like things about things. Really, we can learn to better enjoy things, it’s okay! We can have gripes, but let them be gripes. Making ‘problems’ out of simple gripes is why the world is just drowning in negativity these days. And we can truly enjoy the wonderful life we live... live the dream my friends, may the force be with you!
Welcome to video essay culture where minor gripes are turned into pretentious 15 minute thinkpieces.
LOL, its just made up for content dude.
just watch it or leave it. or laugh at it like me :D
That scene with Peter and Ego was comedic? I honestly took that scene seriously.
IMO marval films are very corny and cringe. I understand that they are lighthearted films but still
Dc is better
Logan film its the only serious one