2024 Mustang GT S650 vs S550 Ford Mustang GT, more for less? Drag and Roll Race.
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- 2024 Mustang GT S650 vs S550 Ford Mustang GT, more for less? Drag and Roll Race.
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Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to everyone. 🎉
Merry Christmas/Happy New Year Sam!
I want to see 18-23... 10speed vs s650 gt 10speed
Im not selling my s550 anytime soon
put a supercharger on it
@@zero-by6ib already did
That S550 was cold as ice when he revved the heck out of it lol
These races simply came down to differences in Gearing and Driving Skill. 🤷🏻♂️
Honestly I feel like Ford is falling off personally, the S650 could have been good but I feel like it's just slower all around than the S550 in GT form despite the horsepower advantage. I've seen so many videos of stock vs stock where the S550 just walks the S650 most times.
Ford did what they've historically done with every generation. You have to wait for the refresh to get the updated engine. The engine in the gen 7 is damn near unchanged. This happened with the gen 6 in 2015, had to wait until 2018 to get the better performing car
2024 has paper hp, 2018-2021 put down more at the wheel.
first off, throttle house is wayy better than this channel in terms of accurate results. The new s650 mustang in the ten speed is actually way faster than the s550, they just happen to have a bad driver in a manual against a good driver in a tenspeed
@@FuriousCapCut not true, s550 walks the s650
Title should be tuned 2016 5.0 Exhaust + X Pipe vs stock 2024
Absolutely love the way Mustang V-8's sound. Best sounding muscle car there is and it's not even close.
392 hemi sounds way better
@@SARGENTDOODLE no it doesn’t
@@Tender_vigilante I’m not changing my mind. Now what?
@@restlessyouthproductions did I reply to you dipshit?
@@SARGENTDOODLE Hemi sounds good for sure, but it doesn’t rev out like the Mustang engine .
Nice Battle. The S550 Tuned wasn't messing around. Thanks for all the 2023 Showdowns and videos. Looking forward to 2024. HNY! 🥳
Shouldn’t have been too hard to find a 18-23 GT. That would have been the best comparison. The 17 and on back are slower because of less horsepower, but this one was tuned which equals things out and also isn’t a fair comparison
I agree, as soon as I saw 2016 and 460hp / 420tq I was like, “wrong!”
@@KC-eh6by No doubt, you can’t fool most hardcore car guys. I should have stopped watching it as soon as I heard that.
This channel never seems to find fair cars to race. Hands down the worst racing content creator lol
@@hemibugzy9547 I know right, it’s pretty worthless. You’re better off just going to the dragstrip and watching what shows up.
@spockistheman yeah but it's good to see that you dont need to spend too much money to beat a brand new Mustang.
Unless the cars are stock from the factory with the same trim level and options , these types of comparisons are meaningless.
Love the manual transmission races like this. Fantastic to watch compared to the dull automatic cars. Great job by both of the drivers. Personally I would much rather have the S550 over the ugly S650. I also don’t need a tv inside my car to drive so much prefer the prior gen Mustangs. New one is all about tech which does nothing for me
You sound over 35 yrs old
We understand that you are over 50 years old
The only thing keeping me from subscribing to your channel along with watching your content all the way through, is the complete lack of any time/speed measurements. 1/4 mile results along with trap speeds are a great way of conveying just how fast certain cars are... especially in comparison tests.
10 speed is definitely better to race. Happy holidays!!
Hard to find one at that time
@@SamCarLegionit must be a Canadian thing. In the states everyone has a 10 speed and it's hard to find a MT82 manual transmission
Not sure why you’d lean toward the 10 for racing. In a 1320 drag, it would never get to the upper gears. I guess this really depends on the diff gearing. My 6R80 w/3.55 rear, I think is the perfect combination.
@@liquidsmokemustang1537The 10 speed can shift real fast, and is usually faster than a manual.
@@garys2157 Yeah, it does shift really quick. I’m actually surprised how fast my 6R80 shifts in sport, sport+ or track modes.
If the 2016 Mustang Gt is manual and modified to 460 hp, it has lower gears than 2018 to 2024 for gas mileage reasons, that's why it's faster. I have a bone stock 2016 Gt with manual and I'm going to cold air intake it and tune it to be at about 460 hp and 420 lbs of torque. The 2015 to 2017 Mustang Gts are golden, they don't tick and shift better in my opinion than the newer and are more reliable. Great job driving Sam.
Gearing is everything here. In 2018 the manual trans was given much longer gears, 4th became the 1:1 ratio instead of 5th.
You are correct. My 2020 Mustang GT with Performance pack will hit the speed limiter (155) in 4th before it reaches 7500 RMP's.
Yup! Surprisingly, very few seem to know about this difference
And this is the thing that disappoints me the most about my GT. You have the rev it hard to get the torque and yet I can break every UK speed limit (70mph) in 2nd gear, 3rd gets exciting at around 85mph etc. Given the Coyotes torque characteristics it really needs much shorter gearing on the manual for any sensible fun on the road
Yep. 5th and 6th gears are only their for MPG. @@eprc7585
Merry Christmas Sam! Awesome race
You too!
What’s crazy is that 2011-2014 Mustang GT’s are a little faster than the 2015-2017 GT’s!! 😮😮
True. I love my 2020 6spd but my 2011 6spd was definitely a bit quicker.
@@mikeyfourbarrel8473 with manual's really, there is honestly no point in even spending the extra 10-14k on a newer gt unless you want less mileage (s550's and even s197's still can have under 30k miles) and more glamours interior technology because only with the 10 speed auto vs 6 speed auto is where performance will really make a difference and even then, a done up 6 speed can hold a 10 speed...i went with the 10 speed because i do alot of traveling long distance occasionally but overall, a low mileage s197 is a steal and as we see here, the s550 clearly is evenly matched with the s650 in manual, so there goes the extra proclaimed 20bhp and extra torque out the window😂..
@LilPsycho5.0 but it is tuned....
not just a little faster, a lot faster lol
How much power do you think a tune gives? 😂 it mostly just lets the car rev a little more
15 to 17 is absolutely my favorite of the S550 body style in Gt form. I really think the S650 will be great when tuning becomes available. An I am not talking about a Ford conjunction tune.
Thank you Sam !!! For the video amazing ..
Nice shifting there, Sam!
Should have went with a Gen 3 Coyote 10 speed…
I really don’t think the the 2024 weights less than the 2016 . I feel like the 2024 is atleast 3900 if not more
You are actually right, they are close to 4K
Yeah, wish they had addressed that elephant in the room, power might have gone up, but the Mustang needed to go on a diet.
depending on the trim and options, my gt base is actually 3708 wet so im almost exactly same to s550's
Quick question ❓❓❓ why don't you post the MPH trap speed along side the times?
11-17 GT/Boss manuals > 18+ GT/Bullitt manuals
Thing is that sam isnt the best manual transmission driver. He bogs almost every time he shifts
6th gen Camaro owner here 🙋 everyone in the car scene has seen the same outcome. A 20hp jump to the seventh generation mustang (which honestly is the same chassis), is underwhelming. And then pointing to the darkhorse, a more expensive package that aimed to be a "hellcat killer" that is only 14 hp more than the regular '24 mustang GT?!? This American car market is disgusting.
most underrated channel hands down best drag race
I've said it before this video ever came out, the new old mustang's won't be worth it, i hate the interior and the exterior is less aggressive to me, I'll keep my 19 pp1 10 speed
How is the 10R80 for daily driving? Does it usually keep itself in the right gear or does it jump from gear to gear a lot when you're just normal driving?
Ive got a 2023 gt that id let you use to run the 2024. We want to see the 2023 compared to the 2024. 10 speed auto. Does ford have a disclaimer on that? You cant find a video of this anywhere?
The best channel on TH-cam. Can't wait for the 10 speeds.
lol
I wonder what the final drives are in each. I bet that makes a difference.
Terrific video.
What is the mileage on the 2024? Motors need to be broken in for max performance.
I wonder which rear end ratio each car had. Finishing the 1/4 mile in 3rd gear versus 4th could be the difference between 3.31 and 3.73 rear end.
The 2016 has 3.55 an the 2024 has 3.15s
Why would you compare such different cars? A tuned 2016 with 3.55s vs……. Stock and 3.15s?
@@justinjones7238 S650 GT's come with 3.55 stock.
Means the better diff is gonna be faster 😊
S550 rear end looks way better
only thing this proves is that a tune s550 is faster then a stock s650 lol
Imagine buying a $200 intake on ur 8 year old car an its all it takes to beat the brand new model that's sad for the s650 I know buddy with that s550 an I beat him in my 19 gt (10spd) obvi but the s650 really ain't impressive at all especially that a intake in tune isnt that much more hp like 20ish so its won while being under powered not to say gearing doesn't play a big roll but regardless way more impressed by the s550
@@slaterelliott3780exactly. Gen 2 comes with 435 hp compared to 486 and I know for sure the tune doesn’t pick up 50 hp
@@whtclkshouldn't have really been a race yet it was s550 is no joke yeah sure the s650 cant be tuned yet but for all we know it might stay like that for a long time so i wouldn't spend all the money on a new model knowing a kid can spend a couple hundo on his car an gap me in a 8 year old car also who buys a stang to keep it stock
Was this with no lift shifting?
Would have preferred watching exactly stock for stock
To have a much better perspective on both👍🏻 still cool
S550 is the last best mustang
Since I was little I have always liked mustangs 🔥😎
I'm really in the ballpark. That I will never sell my 2019 S550 with the PP1 add on. The car is a monster. Just turbo'd BMW's usually pull on me on the highway. Crazy what they can produce in power. But I'm happy to see my girl can still beat the new kids on the block.
What differentials are in these?
considering the guy in S650 can't shift for sh*t and each car won 2 races a piece and only one of them is tuned this tells me that stock for stock the S650 is faster and when they can be tuned it stands to reason that they would sill be quicker than tuned S550's these races don't really tell us anything we don't already know tuned S550's can hang and occasionally beat stock S650's but almost no GT owner leaves thier car stock so run this again when the 650 can be tuned and you'll have your real answer
“when the s650 can be tuned” is the most important part. Especially since, as you say, most Mustang owners want to modify their cars
Nice video
Wait you had to modify a 2023 mustang to make the power a 2019 had?
Comparing stock vs a tune isn't even a fair comparison I dont even have to finish the video to know the results
Where are you located? I have a 2023 performance pack mustang you can borrow it for a video
Toronto, I think.
Great video as always Sam. Congrats!
Glad you enjoyed it!
The gearing in the mt82 from 15-17 is different from 18+. In the 15-17 1:1 is 5th gear and in 18+ 1:1 is forth
That's why you get a 10 speed with 3.15 gears
Don’t let this video fool you. With the right driver, the s650 should not have lost any of those races.
Better off just saving money and picking up an S550
Interesting outcome. Owning a ‘15 GT myself, I’ve often wondered how much difference is there in speed and quickness. Pretty much, the ‘16 either beat the ‘24 outright or hung right with you with just a few inches to a couple feet behind. Both being manuals, this boils down to driver experience with each machine. The ‘24, having many more horses should (at least on paper) be faster. Personally, I don’t like the direct injection Ford added to the Coyote. Obviously it’s not a major advantage and IMHO will just build up more carbon making the new design run worse as it ages. Direct injection is fine but, I’d rather be blown LOL.
The gen 3 and 4 coyote have direct injection in addition to port. Carbon shouldn't be a big issue
Not sure why , but the 18+ coyote engines are more problematic on the used wholesale side. You can routinely find 250k+ 17 f150s that are quiet, however most of the 18-19 seem to have an audible irregular tick, even with low miles. Think ford calls it "typewriter tick" . It is allegedly on all generations of the coyote but I only routinely see it on the 18+
@@johnnyhb89 No tick on my ‘15 GT. Although, I only have 16K miles.
Modded 16' vs stock 24'. And the 24's are heavier.
No its pretty common, more so on the 2018+. Its either the 32v powertrain or in the 18'+, Direct Injection. Sadly the 24's get GM's dreaded AFM cylinder deactivation which is not good.
S550 looks better and just as current looking! 9 years old to! They also got rid of the sharp crisp line down the side of the s650!
Gotta wait until the refresh to get the updated engine and more performance in the gen 7. As is it's literally just a gen 6. I wouldn't buy a gen 6 because: 1 theyve held their value fairly well 2 they look outdated and 3 you should have no problem getting a really good deal on a new gt. There are brand new GTs for 40k right now if you look hard enough
I feel bad for the 2024 buyers. If sales lag, Ford will see the wave of underwhelming videos like this and beef it up so the 2025 is a tangible difference. You can’t go backwards.
The older model looks better, sounds better, is within a wisker performance-wise and is half the price🤯
S650 for me isnt worth the price difference. The looks of it has grown own me but id still take the 2018-2023 for the difference in price.
Bro race an automatic cars you simply cannot drive manual
Who do you think was driving? A ghost? Show him you can drive a manual mustang better? Waiting for your “masterful skills”
@@johnnybegood2078 everyone that follows this channel knows he doesn’t drive manual cars to their true potential.
💀
He struggles racing in automatic cars as well.
I dont by the 0-60 of 4.3 for the 24'... That 4.3 sec run makes it the quickest dricen 24' 6 spd yet, beating pro drivers in magazines and Fords own team. last I heard/read it was a consistant 4.8 sec with 6 spd and 4.3 with A10 tran.
The s550 responds very well to bolt ons.
They're close looks to be the bottom line.
They are both nice cars and I would happily drive either one.
Its a pretty sad world when people always think whatever car they have has to be the best and they defend it to the grave. Other people are allowed to have faster and nicer cars than you!
I will likely pick up a 2018+, but cant decide between the manual and auomatic. Then the decision will shift to which blower to put on it.
Shifting is fun for a while but gets really old quick and there’s no consistency if you’re a guy that enjoys racing. People will argue to the grave that they can be the same every time but being that we’re all human that is impossible. Go with the 10 speed, it’s consistent and top end is pure joy!!!
I would love to see a 10 speed race we all know the manuals are not that great
The 2018-23 A10 is almost 200 lbs lighter and quicker than the 24'
Wonder what rear gear each car had....
S550 3.55 s650 3.15
@@slaterelliott3780 I kinda thought that might be the case.
lol, I’ll take my 10R80 automatic (2019 GT performance)against either. That 10sp is for real!
A gen 3 would have walked that 24’
The dark horse should have been the new GT.
And that is a 2nd gen coyote. Interesting
So an 8yr old Mustang (probably about 25k) with just two minor mods beat a 50k 2024 S650….
What a load Ford. Do better. Smh
PS the back of that car in person is atrocious!
Believe it or not I’m a mustang fan too.
Not exactly fair but great race nonetheless
Rear end gears?
3.55 in the 2016 an 3.15s in the 2024
Not the most scientific test ever
We called some scientists but they were busy with Nasa - next time
2016 Tuned 5.0 vs 2024 Stock 5.0
I don’t understand why all these videos aren’t set to any standard. It’s random cars, transmissions, tires, bolt ons, tunes
To make this even worse the 2016 had 435 HP not 460 HP.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
While I could get used to the 2024’s exterior design I still much prefer the exterior of the 2023 Mustang. But when it comes to the interior I simply LOATHE the dash of the 2024. It now looks like a damned Kia with its juvenile video arcade instrumentation. Thats not a car interior for adults, but for attention challenged adolescents.
10 speed gt vs scatpack challenger!!!!
The scat gets smoked by the 10 speed Mustangs sir! 😉
@@Drako_1975 i dont think so 😂
@@tripplejjj7184countless videos on TH-cam of the Shitcat oops, I mean the Scatpack getting walked by 10r80 Mustangs!! Seen it in person as well. So stop smoking crack son!
@@Drako_1975 are you good😂😂
Was it out of y’all’s budget for a 2018? who wants to see a outdated old stock 16 gt 6 speed vs a 10 speed ?
I dislike roll races because they always have a margin of error of about half a car. It’s so difficult to line them up perfectly that one car is always slightly ahead before starting. In my opinion any roll race that’s within half a car or less is a tie.
The best part about roll races is it becomes obvious who is making more power. I had a run with a Mustang GT a few nights ago where I started a few cars behind and I ended the race nearly beside him. I lost by all standards of a roll race but he was not interested in a rematch. 🙂
Yay for Sam !!!!!
The older mustang would have done better against the M2. Seeing the outcome of these two mustangs pitted against one another.Why would anyone want to spend all that extra money for the newer and slower car. Especially when there is no major difference to the exterior.
because when the S650 can be tuned it will absolutely be quicker than a tuned S550 there are people out there hitting high 9's in the S650 will just suspension and wieght reduction and a stock ECU when they can be flashed then everyone will be singing a different tune about the 650 so eveyone get your shots in now because this won't be the case when tuning is available
Save some $ and get an older one!
GDEAR WITH THE DRIVER MOD
S550= Foxbody s650 = Sn95 🤷♂️
"I passed the quarter mile in 3rd gear. The gears are so long between..." @5:44
That's why the S650 lost the first roll race...it was in the wrong gear to start. I probably should've been in 1st instead of 2nd.
He ain't a good manual driver
@@Awkwamanwitdastang To be fair, there's a certain amount of IDGAF to banging the gears properly. This isn't Sam's personal car, so out of respect, Im sure that there's a certain amount "it ain't mine, so Im not going to be 100% aggressive" going on when he drives.
@@Boblib1970 That and the aggressiveness / experience with the vehicle required to pull off a quick 1st to 2nd gear shift like that are very uncommon even with the owners of said vehicles.
The older Mustang must have a lower final drive, otherwise the newer mustang should have left it behind.
Man these 2024 mustangs are very sub par that they cant even take on a 2015-2017 mustang which is what is in this video. This is not a 460hp s550 gen 3. If you had it against a 2018+ mustang the 2024 would have gotten gapped hard.
Wow can’t believe this channel is this big when he doesn’t even know a clutch definitely helps with shifting. On top of that the tune helps raise the rpm limiter… And he says the gen 2 has a muffler so does the gen 4 coyote xD. 15 minute research can fix all this.
Rearend gears must be different
Lol, Lets race a Lambo and a Porsche! I couldn't find a Lambo so I grabbed a Z06! Its almost the same.
New one very impressive
Sam can’t shift , it’s a fact 😂
Hey if you can do better show him. Upload a video and let's see it. Otherwise just cheap talk
@@thatr34monster49 It’s a fact !
@thatr34monster49 it's a fact even he know that he spoke before abd admitted it he said iam not the best drag racer and im not pro
Shifting was slow and seemed short.
Buying an used S550 Mustang GT in good condition (lucky if got at mint condition) is totally worth every penny instead buying this S650 as brand new. Trust me, lol.
I agree. Last week I purchased a low mileage 2020 Oxford White Mustang GT. Initially thought about the new s650 but I was out the door with the s550 for 27k.
@@AaronRobinProductions Funny when I bought my 2016 Base GT "new" in Canada it was 47K out the door and heard that Lebanon Ford in the US was selling them superchargerd with a warranty for around 50K brand new! It's amazing to see how much less US car buyers are paying for the same cars...
En España mi modelo 2022 GT automático rondaba como mínimo 50000€.
@@peterwho9380 Still way better than in India lol. Here Mustang GT is in high demand that, even used mustangs (5.0 GT Fastback) are being sold for around $90K. Ford quitted India couple years back, no way of getting a brand new from showroom. When Ford was there, selling mustangs directly by themselves in India, it was $110K out the door. And what's more interesting is, the gas price. Mustang usually gives around 15 MPG on average and here one gallon gasoline costs $4.6 💀 and i guess i need not to tell about the road conditions of India, how terrible it is 💀💀 with lots of speed bumbs..
@@peterwho9380I think you’re forgetting about the exchange rate . $50k USD is about $66k CAD , I’m assuming you could get the supercharger installed for the $19k difference and technically be at the same price .
S650 sounded like a Harley
The S650 is a blast to drive and the tech improvements make it worth the money. These race videos sway one way or the other depending on what the producers narrative is. Get the S650.
if you can just fund a 10 speed one , would be even better 👍
He is shifting like a grandma no chance😂