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- We are all quite used to playing the good guy, the hero, the goody two shoes in most games. But what if your hero is just as, if not more evil than the villains? And I mean FULL STOP. No hesitation. No mercy. Jin Sakai's story proves that not every hero needs to follow boring clichéd rules of heroism. At least not on the surface. This and so much more makes Ghost of Tsushima such a special game.
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Hey there people!
2 quick things:
1. I didn't add spoiler warnings in this video. I entirely forgot that the PC community just got this game and potentially did not know the story yet. I will try to keep this in mind for future videos (or at least I will attempt to)
2. If you enjoyed this video, do you want me to cover the DLC? It explores Jin's past. If yes do say so with a comment
Update: The second video covering the DLC is up! Go check it out!
I would love to see the DLC honestly.
Yes, cover the dlc when you get the chance.
Icl I killed Lord Shimura because that fight was so annoying man
Would love that absolutely , thank you dude ^_^
Glad I seen this I haven't beaten it so I won't watch
“You have no honour”
“And you are a slave to it”
Gave chills
Even after replaying the game 3 times that line makes me shiver
@@deathvai364 frfr
Honour died on that beach
"I have no honor... but I will not kill my family."
@@Zennethe The ghost will be hunted for the rest of his days
Jin is not the Bad guy, he did want he could to minimise harm to his people and force out the invaders. Jin was completely justified, His Uncle however is not, he was willing to send his people into the meat grinder for no reason, and that's pretty evil.
Jin leaned too hard into his methods though in ways that made them sometimes backfire. When he snuck into Castle Shimura and discovered the Mongol trap that would have killed Shimura’s men if they attacked the bridge, instead of reporting back or doing something like prematurely blowing up the explosives to leave a massive opening, he continued with the poison plan for his own vengeance and eventually the Mongols would use this poison against Tsushima. Had Jin not let his emotions overwhelm him, he could have reported back to Shimura about the trap and while Shimura is honor bound, he won’t willing go into a trap if he knows it’s there. So they can probably reach a compromising strategy. Perhaps sending Jin and some other men along the side route to set off the Mongol explosives and attack the Mongol flank before sending in the main force. Both characters were blinded by their own ideologies. And it got the better of both of them.
@@kaijuslayer3334jinn honed these methods and used them successfully as the Mongols were repelled
@@kaijuslayer3334Jinn literally did worn shimura but he didn’t listen, so jinn snuck in, to take back castle shimura and help his uncle raise an army
@@kaijuslayer3334his poison was used successfully against the mongols, doesn’t matter if it backfired, most people died and yet the mongols were repelled
@@kaijuslayer3334again, jin literally warned him about the trap. If shimura not let his emotions overwhelm him and listened to jin then he wouldn’t send his people into a trap
I literally laughed when Jin was like "I am no thief" while i was pillaging all the supplies and parishables
It's not thievery if the owners are dead.
What about when you steal from a camp? @@carminescurse
@@Fatal_Error_san5extended borrowing
@@carminescursegrave robbing
Hahaha soo true
So apparently the wind is jins father guiding him as a spirit. If thats true, that means his dad agrees with his methods
Yea they outright state that he is the wind at his back, more in a metaphorical sense but you get the idea
@@ItsHawx ngl that's pretty cool
And the bird is his mother
@@MegaPokefan97 wait really?
There is a conversation between Jin and Yuriko (the old lady who looked after Jin in his childhood), he assumes that his father would not approve of the Ghost because of all the killings and the lack of honor and Yuriko tells Jin that his father was very open minded about achieving victory by any means necessary and how his ways of thinking and acting got him in a lot of heated arguments with Lord Shimura. In my opinion Jin's father would probably agree and even encourage him.
"Honour died on the beach..." the way the actor delivers it will always give me chills. Great video by the way
thank you! and yea the actor is so perfect.
I really hope we get that sequel and the movie is good
@@ItsHawx movie?! WHEN? HOW? And yes i wish for a secuel too, i want to see what will happends with jin and what is the destiny of lord shimura (i want to see if my choice to spare him is cannon)
@@Poja_0811 Director of John Wick Chapter 4 announced that he is working on a movie adaptation of GoT in 2021. Last we heard (like half a year or so ago) the movie is in "deep production" but will not release any time soon
@@ItsHawx FFFFFFFFFFFU-
@@ItsHawx WAIT WHAT WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SERIOUS THERE IS A MOVIE
The Samurai, especially lord Shimura, maintain this nebulous concept of honor in order to stay in power. They, having the best training and weaponry, enforce head-to-head combat so they always come out on top. The outsiders, mongols, care not for it and immediately crush them. Jin is a revolutionary. A terrorist to one side, and a liberator to another. He's not at all evil, but not good either. He's what's needed.
Precisely
TBF, most of the Samurai weren't afraid to use "dishonorable" tactics, but they didn't openly flaunt it because they needed the peasantry to believe they needed them
@@chrisdiokno5600yeah, Jin has a line "Unfitting for a Samurai, but effective" when using thrown Kunai. Even though historically samurai were not above using concealed, thrown weaponry such as shuriken
He’s the middle ground between a code of proclaimed honor and doing what is merely needed for survival. Excellently worded and articulated my friend! 🖤
Jin Sakai’s journey was a very long, yet intensely brutal journey beyond the point of no return.
@@louiesatterwhite3885 Yup
The Spirit of Yarikawa said it best: No one survived. This is a land of ghosts...
Today we have ppl who believe others are npcs
Back then we had ppl who believe others are ghosts
😂
Jin is a hero to the common folk of Tsushima, a terrifying monster to the mongols, and a rogue traitor to the Samurai
Jin basically became the first shinobi or ninja although one could say given what is seen in the Iki Island expansion: His father was basically the Prototype ghost except instead of being stealthy he was brutal in open battle and with the implication that the wind that leads Jin both in directions (and even in ghost stance towards a enemy) being his father’s spirit, something tells me that Jin sakai’s dad agrees with the Ghost.
Is there a difference between shinobi and ninja? And if so what is the difference?
Cannot wait to actually play the Iki Island expansion
@@ItsHawx shinobi and ninja are different terms but still mean the same thing.
@@ItsHawx if I remember right Ninja is the occupation and Shinobi is a male ninja, with konuchi (think I missed spelled that) being the term for a female ninja.
@@knightofblackfyre7950 Thank you for the clarification
@@ItsHawx Technically shinobi and ninja are the same. Though ninjas are usually mercenaries if you want someone to infiltrate or assassinate. While the shinobi is a samurai who is trained in the ways of the ninja, but is still a samurai, not a mercenary. Real samurai actually use stealth tactics. These samurai who use these tactics are shinobi.
Basically this video is about the "Evil Paradox". Here's a quote, "What do you do if there is an evil you can not defeat with just means. Do you stain your hands with evil to destroy evil. Or do you remain steadfastly just and righteous even if that means surrendering to evil." - lelouch vi britannia
That is one of the dumbest things I ever heard and I heard a lot of dumb shit in my life. If you want to destroy evil than you won't do anything evil because that's just counter productive to what you want to accomplish. What you should do is make sure the evil dosn't spread, help as many people as possible get away from the evil and lock it in a place till you can destroy it. Acting like you can only fight with it right now or let them do evil is such a stupid thing that I'm not suprised the guy is fucking french. Only one of those frog eaters could say something so fucking stupid. Evidently some toxins from the froga got to his fucking brain because I refuse to belive someone can be so fucking stupid as to think of such a question and think it's a moral problem.
Here is the problem with this ethos, if the "EVIL" was a massive roided guy beating a child, and you can't beat him in a fight, do you shoot him or just continue letting him beat the child?
Philosophy might sound clever at first but usually falls apart when put into practice
@@ChemDuke7 What you are saying does not apply to the evil paradox. You just shoot him (or use any form of weapon), and save the child. That's justice not evil.
@@allanvang5056 it makes perfect sense, someone is perpetrating evil, to kill is evil, stop the evil or let it happen....
It's the exact same
@@ChemDuke7 Killing is not evil, it is objective. Base on your logic, Its like saying "We shouldn't kill Hitler and the Nazis. Were the good guys, so lets just watch and let them kill all the jews!", is nothing more moronic idealism because the world is not black and white.
Starving, poor, wretched refugee rescued by Jin: “Take this…it’s ALL I HAVE…” Jin: *yoink* (Rides off)
LOL
Are you Japanese, do you understand the culture and what giving a gift means to them let alone rejecting one?
If you reject the payment or gift it’s very offensive in Japanese culture.
I think the joke is how the person isn’t even thanked for the gift and Jin is not even surprised at receiving one. It’s like he just expects people to gift him no matter what.
@@damianmorningstar3150idk why it didn’t tag you but that message above was replying to your comment
Something interesting about Jin is that throughout the game he falls back onto his beliefs as a kid young Jin said to him Honor was fighting for those that can’t fight for themselves and in the end Jin was willing to do whatever it took to protect those that couldn’t fight back against the mongols
"A man rode in that night...and a Vengeful spirit returned"
That goes just as hard as "Honor died on the beach."
Oh thank you watching until the very end!
@ItsHawx i learned from Garand Thumb that its worth watching until the end...
And from comedic ADHD videos lol.
When you bow at Kazumasa's grave at Omi Village, the wind and leaves (your father essentially) embrace you, even after you kill Lord Shimura, and lose all sense of honor.
Not to cheapen the moment, but that happens with any non-mongol grave
I think this game is great at showing how war can changes one’s way of thinking. Jin really said “fuck honor I’m going for a kill steak”
When does he get the M.O.A.B.?
"Terror is not the weapon of the samurai". Dude, you're wearing helmets with demon faces attached to them.
Well... in the game not a single one of the samurai wear an oni mask
@@Coalproductionsfilmnigga that's Cap...Jin dad literally had a oni mask on when he got killed loo
@@CoalproductionsfilmJin's Father?
@@doodlehates_uttp living*
@@Coalproductionsfilm I see
you can make the argument that jin respected shimura enough to give him an honorable death kinda like a “this is the last time” moment
True, there is still a mutual respect and love between the two of them.
I honestly cannot say that either ending is less canon than the other. Both make sense and are in character
Only the sequel can say what the true ending is
@@ItsHawx it felt like the right ending though. Giving Lord Shimura the honorable death he deserves, or let him live in disgrace.
@@gilgameshthetreasurehunter2750 If Jin is dishonorable, the dishonorable thing to do is to not kill his uncle in the duel and just walk away, because at the end of the day, he still loves his uncle.
I personally chose to spare his uncle. I feel it's more in character for Jin. As the game progresses, Jin has slowly diverted away from the honor code. He even said "Honor died on that beach". This line feels like Jin has fully embrace the Ghost identity and has abandoned his samurai identity. Sparing his uncle made it seems like a statement. Stating that Jin Sakai no longer has honor, he is no longer a slave to it, so he for once has the choice to either follow the code for the last time, or fully abandon it. Though this is not the best ending, but I feel it's more fitting with Jin Sakai.
@@chalkyum i think both ending fit jin almost perfectly
A lot of games where the bad guy is kinda in the right, too. You get halfway through and think “hey, this antagonist is making a lot of sense”
I feel like it was in the 2010s where a lot of edgy games came out where the villains had a point
Honestly though villains with a point are the best
I love how much respect the game has for Mongol customs and culture and how despite how awful some of the things the Khan does are, he does make true on his word of kindness and respect to those who join. He's not right and he's still monstrous in his actions, but that underlying kindness and honesty do make him a much more compelling villain.
Jin did what his foolish uncle would never do. His uncle was plauged by a false sense of "honor". Jin is the necessary evil that Tsushima didnt want, but the evil they NEEDED. Without jin, the Island wouldve been razed and scorched to the ground. Sure, jin did some bad things to get rid of the mongols, but once again, Tsushima stood no chance of survival without jin abandoning his samurai honor. After all, honor is useless when you're dead
I'm quite sure tsushima did want jin, the people who didn't want the ghost was the samurai
One thing about the ending choice, jin gave ryuzo an honorable death, despite his betrayal, because he knew that everything ryuzo did was in service of the people he cared for, regardless of his own feelings, the same internal battle jin is fighting, and also partly because he cares for his childhood friend. So i dont believe jin's honor, or lack there of, is the determining factor of whether or not to kill shimura, but whether or not he believes shimura defended his people to the best of his ability, therefore earning the warrior's death
Or alternatively whether or not he is willing to kill his own father, Lord Shimura in a sense is a Slave To Honor. Lord Shimura didn't want to do this hence why he replies to Jin Stating "Taking it is my punishment!" He is ashamed of what he's about to do... But instead of just killing Jin, he gives Jin a chance to defend himself, spending their final day in peace... Before war! This is what ultimately made me decide to spare him regardless of the outcome. This wouldn't have been a Warrior's death, not that Lord Shimura didn't deserve a Warrior's death, but that it just.. wasn't his time, and certainly not by what is essentially his son of all people. If he was to die, he should've died at Komoda, not here, not by my hands. Not just that, but despite everything Jin had done this is the only time Young Sakai ever fights another Samurai outside of Friendly Duels or Self Defense... Actually scratch that there was that rouge Faction at the end of the Mosako Story Arc but besides those. This is the only time he actually fights an Actual Samurai, and he doesn't use his tools, he doesn't use anything but his skills. I just couldn't bring myself to finish it.
They run away because they can die😂😂 just because they are evil it dont mean they brave! Jin is a good guy!
Jin is not only a good guy, he is a great guy.
@ItsHawx, just because you are bad guy does not mean that you are bad guy
@@Hitikuroyeah like Jackie Estacado from the Darkness
He is neither neither he is a ghost
4:37 here while i was playing this section i immediately noticed the goal was written as “stab the mongol in the back" not something like “ assassinate the target or something like that" this line added much depth to jin's character for me as he was a proud warrior but now he have to take the unhonourable or disgraceful path to save his uncle
I noticed that too but I saw that someone had used that point in their review too so I didn't include it here cuz people would say "I stole content" :(
@@ItsHawx no problem brother at least people that will see this comment will notice
0:34 being afraid of someone because your people are deeply superstitious and genuinely believe him to be a spirit does not mean said guy is evil
Yea this dudes buggin, how is he evil if he’s only killing people who invaded his country ..
“You have no honor”
“And you are a slave to it”
One of the best lines, if not
*"It takes to do evil to save the better good. And it takes a good man to take the fall"*
Where is this quote from?
@@ItsHawx A version of something I saw lol But the quote still stands, just "my" version of it.
Edit: meaning I don't remember the source
I can't believe you Senator Armstrong'd me :(
@@ItsHawx Well it seems the quote is more true and evil now when it comes to this point lol.
@@ItsHawxMY SOURCE IS THAT I MADE IT THE F**K UP
To Jin himself he didn’t lose any honor, honor to him meant helping people who can’t help themselves. He did exactly that the entire game
It hails back to the question Jin was asked as a young adult. What is the job of a samurai. Jin felt it was to protect the weak. For his uncle to was about always acting with honour. His uncle wasn't willing to compromise his honour even it meant people died. Jin was willing to compromise his honour because saving lives was more important.
Maaan I love this game
You can see that Shimura is at the same time a slave to honor, but also truly concerned with Jim's path
Jim is not wrong to forsake "honor" when it comes to actually save lives
They are at an impossible situation with no clear and easy answer
Also, the "Spare" ending is probably one of the best endings ever in gaming
Jim💪🏻💪🏻
You say not everything can be seen in black and white, but there is literally a game mode that makes everything black and white
ah ah ah black, white AND RED
But you win this time....
I love the game and the character but I find it funny that Jin is after thieves and bandits the whole time but proceeds to take everyone’s linen and supplies and wind chimes 😂
Samurai habits die hard I suppose 😂
I honored Shimura's wishes, because it would prevent him from suffering a worse end.
To spare him is to stubbornly stick to your principles, knowing it will cause suffering for others. I think refusing his request is to repeat his mistake.
But there a good arguments for both choices, a testament of the quality of the writing.
I mean thinking from the mongol side they were in the process of becoming the greatest ever when they took all of china and then had eyes on Tsushima maybe even Japan.
Well they most def had their eyes on japan
Iirc historically they wanted to use Tsushima as an FOB to invade the mainland
@@ItsHawx yeah but I wouldnt blame them since Japanese military leaders never really believed the mongols would come to attack them directly again under kubalai Khan and Genghis Khan had his reasons but I think the invading mentality started with kubalai Khan .
It honestly baffles me how, historically, the shogunate expected a few skirmish battles. Like bro they are invaders, not a hostile samurai clan I think their conquest is a bit more serious
I genuinely don’t understand how this video isn’t more popular. This man broke down the mentality of many main characters and described the psychological story of this game, all while being able to keep me engaged and yet it still only has 35 thousand views?
I appreciate the sentiment! Though I am already happy with the performance of this video. I didn't even expect it to reach 1k views, let alone 30k+
Ghost of Tsushima conveys really well what revenge is actually like for someone who has lost everything, none of that empty crap hollywood tends to peddle where the people go all regretful and emo after achieving their vengeance, or reconsider halfway through to just move on and let the people who harmed them get away with it to further harm others in the same way. If you have been harmed by others to this extend you crave revenge more than anything else, to the point that everything else becomes a secondary issue, you become stronger and more dedicated than you have ever been to achieve it, and if it works as you envisioned it you are thrilled, Norio getting revenge in his tale was a good representation, that man would achieve what he set out to do and no sane person would stand in his way. Only after finishing that chapter of your life can you hope to move on with it and build something new for yourself.
The only problem I have is that this game is an extreme case of black and white to any sane human being, q clear cut case of right and wrong, to rational and idiotic. This is because the mongol invaders are all presented as subhuman animals in this game who all deserve the ghosts wrath and then some, while Shimura is undeniably a weak minded fool who is all too eager to throw everyones life away because he is too cowardly to do what must be done for the good of Tsushima, even after seeing that the mongols basically began to genocide and burn the earth, losing to them would have meant extiction for the population of Tsushima.
I personally would have enjoyed it more had Jin been given an actual reason to struggle with his transition into the ghost and his actions, something that went further than him being brainwashed with this idiotic bushido code crap as a child that no samurai in real life ever gave two shits about during war anyway as to avoid the fate of the samurai in this game. As it was in this game though, only a complete fool would feel any pity for any of the mongol characters, or any of the traitors aiding them in their atrocities, or Shimura who would have kept throwing his soldiers into the meat grinder to lose the war, the same man who wanted to kill Jin for winning the war despite Shimura himself being a heavy beneficiary of the ghosts actions.
Well said
Is no one gonna talk about the soundtrack of GoT?, this game has one of the best, if not, THE best soundtrack I have ever listened to, each song can match the exact mood and enhance the emotion of every scene in this game. The brawl music during the first minuite and a half in “The Way of the ghost” OST, then when Jin has to either kill of spare him, the sadness and the vocals step in. This game has single-handedly made me shed a tear in the end of the game, because of joy from this game, but also the ending.
Shumira: "Noooo you must be honorable!"
Kazumasa: "Do em dirty in front of they dad!"
Wait, shouldn't it be do em dirty in front of they child, considering how he died
Also Kazumasa Sakai was what irl samurai were like in battle, brutal and ruthless along with killing civvies, in short Samurai were not that completely honorable but makes sense cause its survival or fighting for life when in battle.
Edit: Except the civilian offing but that was common in times like that.
The beauty of the game is how it leaves it up to you to decide whats justifiable or not
I absolutely love the combat in ghost of tsushima which is why i usually never use stealth cause its just so much fun squabbling with the mongols. Fun fact: anything that does not have a long range attack will not attack simultaneously. Usually if youre fighting three or more sword guys only one will ever attack at one time, this helps when youre going for these precious precious perfect parries.
Part of what made the story so interesting to me was just how hypocritical even the most honourable warriors could get. You're supposed to look your opponent in the eye before you kill them, but then using bows is fine? That seems contradictory tbh. Shimura sparing a thief going against the orders of the Shogun? When Goro was delivering the Letter to the Shogun, Shimura allows Jin to use the Hwacha. Asking Jin to sell out someone that genuinely helped with Castle Kaneda and Castle Shimura just to save his own skin? It all seems to be more lip service sometimes than actual practice
"A man rode in that night. And a vengeful spirit returned."
As hard of a line as "Honor died on the beach." this line of yours goes just as hard. Well done!
Jin is a hero. He just has to do what he has to do, and he's mercyless, but he's always helping the innocent and weak
I think the moral of the story of "The Ghost of Tsushima" is that there is no such thing as an ideal hero: in the real world of monsters, if you always try to play fair and act honorably, most likely you will put a lot of innocent lifes at stake (especially when your enemy has no intentions of acting in the same way), and thus you will be forced to act in "unconventional ways" to save lifes, with collateral damage as the negative consequence.
Because Lord Shimura was a slave to ineffective honor codes and always seeked to be an extreme loyal servant to the Shogun, he goes down the path of becoming the anti-villain of the story. By sending dozens of men to die in a meaningless charge towards an invasion force they alone could not stop (and also leading to him becoming a prisioner), his actions are what led to Jin going down his "Ghost" path in the 1st place. Then he tries to be manipulative and put the blame on Yuna for Jin´s "defiance" against him for using poison to take back Shimura castle, and by the end of the game, he still refuses to learn the error of his ways and selfishly desires to kill his own adopted son and former heir (even bragging to him about wanting to form a new family) because if he doesn´t, he will be disrespecting the Shogun´s orders and be on his "naughty list" along with Jin. That is a BIGGER betrayal than any other: betraying your own family, the only one who is left of it.
On the other hand, I guess you can say that besides the Mongols, traitors and bandits, the unseen Shogun is one of the main villains of the story, since if it wasn´t for him, Shimura most likely wouldn´t be under the hierarchical pressure from his superior that would force him to lash out at Jin due to his methods and betray him.
I waited 4 years for the game to come on PC and it was well worth the wait, absolutely fantastic game with a great story.
What scares me is if got 2 releases it will take more than 6 years for me to play on pc. 🥲
Get a ps5 from a pawn shop where I live they’re 300-370
Imagine Jin’s mythic tale is about a samurai warrior who died at Komoda beach and came back as a ghost and the reward is the ghost stance
I have never given two shits about digital creatures, until that damn horse. I actually felt that one. Both love and hate when a game dose this to me.
Honestly same. Idk how since Nobu never really did more than transport me around. I don't understand why it was so much more impactful
Hmmm probably cause the horse got more ninja skill than jin, and the fact you use the horse a bed from time to time. And now that I'm replaying it, I also noticed when he'll comfort you when you do the questionable stuff. All in all good side kick animal.imho
Ghost of Tsushima & RDR2 are the only games that I’ve treated the horses like my own 😢
The fact that Shimura was willing to blame yuna to save face shows that he doesn't care about actual honor, just everyones perception of his honor
Well yes and no, Samurai's obligation was to his lord. That fact that his disregard his lord is considered unhonorable
In real life, a Samurai was obligated to KILL anyone who he deemed had disrespected him- and many innocent Japanese died at the hands of 'honorable' Samurai.
Jin isn't evil. His motives were completely justified. He had the skills and shinobi techniques necessary to save the people of Tsushima and reduce needless deaths, unlike Shimura, who sent his own dudes into the meat grinder for no reason.
Jins' actions and motivations are justifiable, understandable, effective, and most importantly, worked. He beat Khotun Khan and saved Tsushima. His enemies may fear him, but the people idolise him. He's the Batman of Tsushima.
Jin isn't evil.
Yup wholly agree. With one exception. I think Jin is a better character than Batman
You're right, Ryuzo is the dark twin of Jin. Jin would give up his closest friends to save Tsushima, but Ryuzo would destroy it all for his men.
I dont think Mongols needed to be tought archery... but it is cool that they included this story point in gameplay.
Yeah, that bothered me too. Because in reality, archery, mainly their horse archers WAS what made the Mongols so terrifying. I waa honestly bumped why the game never had Mongol world bossess who roamed around on horseback. Who you could only beat with archery.
Which is why i loved thus game so much. Jin is the hero of his own story but the villain of everyone elses
My god a person who got saw the game in the exact same way I did! Hoooooooly shit
One nitpick though he was the villain to everyone but himself and the common folks of tsushima
Ghost is my favourite game of all time for the same reason that the Batman was my favourite movie of 2022: In our world, the only way to truly defeat evil is by being able to understand evil, and to understand evil, you must be part evil yourself. Ie, to defeat a monster, you must become one.
In the beginning, you say that Jin Sakai wants his revenge, and that is what tears apart his identity. I, however, always saw his identity breaking over his desire to free and save the people of Tsushima. The issue being that the pride and honor of a Samurai are so rigid that the mongols can use it to their advantage.
I'm not trying to be a dick or nothing. Ghost of Tsushima is probably my favorite game, and is the best story!
Interesting video. I disagree completely but see where you are coming from. To me he just did whatever needed to be done to free the island from the invaders.
If anything I'd say he is too nice: a samurai lord who makes no demands of the peasantry, and is so unintimidating they don't even offer any assistance in gathering the resources he needs to restock weapons.
For a large part of the game he's kind of a superhero lackey running chores for the needy and expecting nothing useful in return.
Yea I do agree he is somewhat idealized, hence the section where I added the wikipedia excerpt where it stated that the samurai used their status to essentially take advantage of people
@@ItsHawxI don't think he was idealised. The cutscenes portray him as a conflicted character but the gameplay makes him a bamboo farmer who has no authority over any of his serfs
The game makes him out to be someone who sees himself on the same level as his people. Compare that to how knights/samurai/any other protector of a people actually was he is somewhat idealized
Somewhat idealised sounds ok-ish to me, but not entirely lol .
Honestly I'd rather he was more of a feudal monster who doesn't have to pick up his own yew twigs and who inspired his people through terror, but that's not something AAA games would take a punt on @@ItsHawx cheers
That does sound like a damn cool idea
And yea Triple A is too "safe" for such themes
"Jin didn't return from Komoda. It wasn't just honour that died on the beach, like how everyone in the game keeps saying. There weren't any survivors amongst the samurai. A man rode in that night - and a vengeful spirit returned." Perfect ending to the video.
I like to think that Jin is like a japanese version to Zorro. Both use stealth tactics, fight invaders, and are persecuted by their goverment, but have the support of the people. Zorro is literally fox in spanish. And foxes are really important in Ghost.
But honestly, Jin tactics just works against the mongols. The Shogun should have recruited Jin to use his legend as a way to keep invaders of Japan and put their faith on his rule.
Nice analysis of an awsome game. Just finished it and still can't fathom how great it is. The story, aestetics, soundtrack... chills!
I still don’t understand how this wasn’t the game of the year
Yeah it was way better than dog shit last of us 2 but i guess in terms of game play and details last of us 2 was better
@@rohamebrahimi7844 it was better in terms of agenda
this reminds me of a line from kotor 2
"The triumph of the Jedi teachings are a cold thing when there is no one left alive to appreciate them."
I really like this video because I would love for more videos about the masterpiece that is Ghost of Tsushima keep it up
If enough people express the desire for it I may make a video on the DLC
Please do!
so far only 3 have expressed interest. not quite sure if people are too keen on it
You cannot fight a dishonorable enemy with honorable tactics. Jin learns this thru out the game and it is why in the end he embraces his Ghost identity. It cost him everything but he saved his land, his people, and he lived up to his own moral code. The love and lives of his people were worth losing his status and family.
Exactly. Which is why I spared Shimura at the end. He says Jin has no honor, and then expects him to act honorably at the end.
He and Miyamoto Musashi have a lot in common when it comes to going against samurai tradition; That's definitely someone he should come across and learn from in the sequal,
The video game was awesome through-and-through one of the best I've seen and played thus far, (next to red dead redemption 2) keep up the good work sucker punch; As far as the character of jin sakai goes I do not consider him a hypocrite or a tratior to honor at all, He continued to show himself to be the most honorable, more so than his uncle due to the fact that he valued innocent lives more than the need to appease the rigid dogma of the bushido code for the sake of his uncle and the shogun, they were facing an enemy that was using their code against them to take over the land and the people and jin saw no other choice but to break away from that in order for his people and his country to survive the murderous onslaught of the mongols, Thus it forced him down a path that he was Initially resistant to but ultimately embraced for the good of everyone Which in turn has made him a beloved living legend among his people as well as tsushima's very own japanese zorro, He may have sacrificed and lost everything because of the harsh choices he was forced to make, but he also gained a whole lot more from his willingness to sacrifice and lose everything for the greater good of all and he for a video game character has my utmost respect for that.
His uncle however is the villain of his own story because he was willing to sacrifice an innocent woman like jin's friend yuna to the shogun and blame the poisoning of the mongols on her; something a man of honor should never do, so I personally don't care about lord shimura's pain, he deserves it and what better way for him to suffer more than to be spared and live with the humiliation of having his own nephew and "son" go on to become a better person and greater legend than him, the shogun and the entire class of the samurai. LONG LIVE THE GHOST!!! 🔥💯😉😁👍
I interpreted this differently. You have to understand in war there is no good or evil. These are simply perspectives
Man I enjoyed the editing 😂
Thank you! I appreciate the kind words!
Definitely the best part of this game. It doesn’t try to inject the characters with a modern sense of morality. They’re very much a product of their time, even Jin to the extent that (after everything he has been through) he quickly becomes proud to parade around dismembered opponents to instill fear in the enemy.
Jin have grown during the war, and he know better what to do and how
So, I am into Japanese Martial Arts for over 15 years now, specializing in Ninjutsu and I love the detail in the game.
You really feel like becoming and finding out, what means to be a Shinobi, without having that label, yet.
And part of the Ninja code is: Surviving is winning, at any means necessary.
But it also has "Protect others from harm", "only fight the battles, you can win"
And Jin really feels like that. Its so well done.
I really hope, that when Yotei comes out, we learn about Jin, that he wandered off and opened the first Shinobi school. Honed his skills and taught them to others.
Thats how I depict it.
Jin Sakai is not evil, it's not so black and white, he's morally challenged every step of the way, but he's still loyal to the people of Tsushima, not evil, not good, he's just on their side, a perfect antihero
Btw not only is jins father the wind guiding him, but he also fought with shimura a lot on using "dishonorable" methods. Jin fights the same way his father did in the stories we saw of him. He is just like his father
It’s one thing to have the protagonist do all the stuff the bad guy does through the game.
It’s another for the bad guy to LEARN from the protagonist.
I know right? The fact that they believed "Oh shit we are falling behind" because of him using poison just goes to show what an insane amount of respect Jin has gathered
"And others clearly too zooted to move" has got to be one of the funniest things I've heard in a while! 😂
Also, this is a fucking incredible video my dude. Probably one of the best videos on TH-cam I've seen in a while. That was entertaining and really really interesting and your voice and accent are pleasant to listen to, phenomenal job, honestly! You definitely earned another subscriber today!
i still think there should have been version of the game where we kill Khotun Khan at the bridge and follow the samurai way to clear the island with many other bosses in various territories of various clan but still i appreciate the game but i am more like lord Shimura who would have followed the Honor cause i believe that if someone breaks or goes against out honor doesn't mean we have to go against it too.
Here is the problem with the Samurai code of honor... it's focused on the INDIVIDUAL and not about the many. So a Samurai would believe his personal honor is more important than thousands of innocent people. We saw that rise again in WWII, when they were willing to sacrifice everyone and anyone just to preserve the 'honor' of the emperor. They would have been willing to sacrifice every Japanese life, if the U.S. wouldn't have allowed the emperor to remain. It's a very sad way of thinking, and IMO, is in direct conflict with both Buddhism and Shintoism; it's putting the self above even their own deities.
For those who insist on Samurai being 'honorable'... take a look at the ACTUAL history of Samurai brutality. th-cam.com/video/S1t41xmWNaI/w-d-xo.html
fermented horse milk is good, well it does need an aquired taste but good
What does it taste like?
There is no honor in death, only dirt, decay and my enemies.
This needs more views
Thank you! I put a lot of effort in this video so if more people did I would be really happy
Shadow of war is kind of like this too. The more you upgrade your skills you become more and more of a monster to the point that you realize you're a demon way before you become a nazghul
Imagine being an adult and still believing in good and evil...
One interaction that change it all for me was with the side quests, Ishikawa towards the end tells you to not be consumed by the Ghost like he was consumed by the Demon Sensei, he lost it all due to that, Same with Adachi, at her end there was nothing left, only pain, so when the ending came around I chose to kill Lord Shimura to at the very least preserve a little of the identity of Jin before the Ghost, though it felt as if regardless of choice I was wrong
Honor is not a measure of good and evil
The Mongols doesn't deserve honor!
- Jin Sakai
If you think Jin was evil at any point, then you must be ridiculously naive, or you have a very warped modernist perspective on morality. Succumbing to inaction and refusing to kill genocidal savages doesn't make you a good guy, it makes you evil instead. Jin was strict to his moral code, which includes defending the weak and punishing the wicked.
And yes, evil is terrified of good, that is the very basis of all religious texts on morality, and even the LOTR does a good job of showing it. That doesn't make them switch places and make us sympathize with evil all of a sudden.
Your comment is an interesting counter to someone else's comment where someone said that jin is nothing but evil.
But you may have misunderstood or I may have not done a good job at presenting my standpoint:
I think Jin did the right thing but progressively used more extreme measures to the point where even the mongols thought they were lacking, i.e. when they used wolfsbane for their ends after he used it to poison them
The mongols are still evil. I just wanted to point out Jin's path towards his brutality in the name lf his people
Jin is not evil he just a man that did thing do save ppl he try to be moral but end up failing to beat a snaked you have to become like them , to think like them yeah he was brutal to them but the END JUSTIFIED THE MEANS!
"Jin decides that lord shimura is being cringe" is fire
Pretty sure killing people make ypu a pretty bad person. 99.999% of games consistt of that killing things
I mean...if you look at it that way yea...you are correct
In simple words "If you want to defeat the evil, you have to become a bigger evil."
Mongols: We can invade and beat you cuz your honor holds you back!
Jin: (fights without honor)
Mongols: 😮
“Taught the Mongols archery”
I always thought that was funny.
His father died to someone without honour and realized that's what tsushima needs. So now he helps Jim through the wind.
Bushido didn’t even exist as a concept until the edo period, in earlier periods of Japan the Samurai were not very honourable
Exactly. Which is where the ninja developed, from the samurai. SP stated this game was not based on historical accuracy, but set in a historical period.
The whole reason for Shimura’s adherence to the Samurai code was based on their flashback conversation where Tsushima was previously said to have been ruled / overrun by bandits. He saw how *order* brought stability to the island, and that’s all he knew as the antidote against disorder. With the Mongols coming in as a new form of order, it made total sense for Jin to use the tactics of disorder to fight the Khan.
Shimura’s failure to adapt his mindset to suit the new reality is ironically how the Taira lost against the Minamoto in the decades prior
Technically this is exactly what happened during the two invasions of Japan by the mongols. The first time, they were almost wiped out because of them not being able to adapt. The second invasion, of the main island, they learned their lessons and adapted new tactics to fight the mongols. Thankfully storms and confusion caused the mongols to lose and never return, but the Japanese were prepared for them the second time too.
MASSIVE respect to u when u tried to bow to Taka even tho the game wouldn’t let u, first thing h did was try to bow 👍
He was a good boy. It was only right to at least respect his courage in some way
Also I did not expect anyone to notice that
Inside me there are two wolves
One wants to spare Shimura because it feels like the moral thing to do
The other wants the white color pallete you get for killing him because bling is king
Ghost of tsushima might be a game that nothing will attract me to it like that game, it's a masterpiece, and I love how jin changes throughout the story ngl
“Sometimes, the world doesn’t need another hero, Sometimes what it truly needs is a monster.” -Dracula Untold
I will die on this hill. Vanilla is not plain, it is a valid flavour of ice cream. There is nothing plain about a flavour
For me, Jin is not a bad guy, rather a radical figure, specifically The Ghost. A face the common folk has never seen before, that during the worst times for the island, he was there when none other couldn't, he defeated the enemie by any means necessary, showing that without a code, there was a chance, there was still hope for Tsushima, even if it meant losing it's honor. And what kind of noble wants that? To let the common citizen knows he doesn't need to stay quiet while you rule them? If there's a figure out there proving even the mightiest of enemies can be taken down by "vile" means, why they should just let you rule instead of deciding it for themselves? Jin is a problem for Japan because his whole personna in Tsushima goes against their way of living, and by such, he must be taken down. Though unfortanely, that would probably just turn him into a martyr
Jin is only doing this because Lord Shimura is so fucking obsessed with this honor code, he is sacrificing his samurai just to stop the mongols. Jin is being more justified with the killing he inflicts, so he isn’t the villain.
If you fight a demom for long enough, you become one.
I like jin portrayed as force of nature, or equivalent reaction.
The mongols invade and kill the samurai, he shall avenge their honor. Then they start torturing them and doing other horrible things. That is when the ghost awakens. Only someone as vile as the mongols deserve the wrath of the ghost.