Hey, I have been looking to buy an Icon golf cart recently, i’m questioning if i should get a 4 seater or 6 seater but your videos have really been helping me out, thanks! Subscribed 👍🏼
I really appreciate you letting me know! Means a lot so thank you! I bought the lifted 4 seater and it was great but it was pre-pandemic when prices were only about $1500 difference between the 4 and the 6 so I sold the four and bought the six for actually only $1000 more. But I know prices are crazy now and there’s a bigger gap between the 4 and the 6 seater at this point. For what it’s worth, the big difference between the 4 and the 6, except for the obvious size difference, is the stability at higher speeds and when going around curves is a lot better in the 6 seater. Best of luck!
Put Bigbattery 120 Ah Lithium Batteries in my L60, all utilities work but the cart won't move, I hear the click which seems to be the electric brake releasing but cart goes nowhere, checked the relay under the cup holder, it is not lit up, any advice is appreciated ?
Nice videos man! I have a 2021 icon i60 it’s all stock other than a reducer to put in a sound bar and led lights under it. the navitas controller is something I’m looking at going too, for more off the line power. mine has the 5kw ac motor and the 440 amp controller. it’s not lifted cause of my garage door is low sadly. and it does 29 100% charged down to 90% rest of the time it’s 27. didn’t know if you noticed the torque gets increased or not going to that controller. Be the stock one. and I need a winter project. Being when I bought it used at the end of 21 had low mileage the previous owner put all new batteries in it. so when those go. I’ll be going to lithium but not as of now. just wanted to have that out of the gate power to be really impressive. Like I see some 2 seaters popping a wheelie and gone. don’t need a 6 seater todo that but that kinda power out the hole would be cool vs the lazy take off it has now.
I appreciate it!! Thanks for watching! As far as the Navitas I think I have good and bad news so I’ll give you the good news first that is the Navitas will absolutely fix your take-take off speed/torque! Yes it will be best with lithium, but even with stock batteries it will launch out the gate if you have the Navitas turned up for fast take-off and that’s easy to do because of its “on-the-fly” controls that mount on your dash. The bad news is that it sounds like you have the newer generation Icon because you said you have the 440 amp controller if I’m not mistaken. If I’m correct that means they don’t have a Navitas controller for those newer Icons yet. It’s supposed to be 2021 and older that can use the Navitas I have linked in my accessories list on all of my videos, but your’s appears to technically be a 2022 but Icon doesn’t really sell their carts by “year”. Anyhow, for you to be certain you can’t use the Nevitas I linked in the description of my videos, you will need to see if your controller is the Toyota NEOS controller. If it is, then you can definitely use the Navitas I have listed and the one I have on my cart. But if it’s not a Toyota controller then as of now Navitas hasn’t come out with one that will work with your cart just yet unless they have very recently and I haven’t heard about it yet. I hope this helps but please let me know if you have any more questions.
Do you mean you have a Roy Pow battery installed and your trying to figure out how to get the new charger that came with the Roy Pow connected to the battery? Just making sure I understand the question.
So I’m not quite certain how you’re setting yours up because if you’re using the charger that came with the Roy Pow the wires coming in from your original charger shouldn’t be doing anything. I’m sure I’m just missing something in your set up but for mine, I basically used the lithium charger that came with my Roy Pow that was meant for a Club Car or maybe an EZ GoI I believe. This meant I needed to place the charger onboard beside the battery and splice the charging cord and place the brown wire on the positive post and the blue wire on the negative. Then I would simply have to lift the seat and grab the 110 cable that comes out of the charger’s other side and plug it into a wall outlet in the garage to charge the cart/battery. Once again I only did this for a little while because ultimately I was able to program my icons charger to charge the Roy Pow itself.
OK just let me know if I can help any further. Best of luck and please be safe. I realize you probably know this already but I always make sure the battery is powered off via the button on the side until everything is wired up.
Funny you say that, it’s one of the two things I keep saying I wanna do next. I want to add the step ups and maybe the front clay basket. Step ups for sure, still not sure about the front clay basket.
I wish I did but I’m not certain of the exact voltage. I only know two things that may help you: in that regard: When he programmed it I saw in the software briefly that there is an option for a lithium battery setting for setting the charger algorithm. And then also it may help you that the number he set it to matched up to what the charger that came with my Roy Pow said it would do if that makes sense? Also I can plug my cart in and look at my Navitas app and see exactly what voltage it is charging at if that would help you?
I just wanted to say thank you for taking the time to make this video. It was very helpful and you really took the time to put all the links to what you did to the cart. My wife and I just bought a 2022 red Icon I60L today. We love it, but it only goes 19 MPH and it does fit in our garage. It’s too tall. I have a lot of questions and I really trust your opinion. Would there be anyway you would feel comfortable talking to my wife and I on the phone when you have time? Is there anyway to get your contact information privately? Thanks you again and I look forward to speaking with you.
Hey, I was just talking to you on Facebook but I lost you. Facebook messenger won’t let me send you the video I just took for you. Can you reach me on Facebook again. Thank you.
Call the company called Plum Quick and order the Navitas from them made specifically for our cart and they will guide you. Please let me know if they don’t but I’m sure they will!!!
What's the link to the forum. I have a lot of questions. Just bought an i40 and it will be here in a month. I need to add, the bluetooth speaker bar like yours, sand bottles, ball washer, ice chest. Great video.
Glad it helped. Thanks. Here is a link to the forum on Facebook. Just let me know if you have any issues joining. If you request to join they will accept you within a day or probably earlier. facebook.com/groups/283409022761803/?ref=share
Curious, my lead acid batteries have 170AH rating, I see roypow has a couple 48v options one is 160Ah and one 105Ah rating, so wouldn’t I get more battery life out of the lead acid than the roypow? I know the lead acid will degrade in performance as they get lower…but seems like I might actually lose range if I upgrade instead of gaining range…any input for this question?
The best and easiest way to explain this is the performance degradation that you’re speaking of during each drive as the battery runs down…Well that performance degradation impacts range just as much. I can explain this further and give you examples if you’d like but I don’t wanna bore you. I’m gonna do some real time range tests in a video coming soon. .But just know it’s night and day the science behind Lithium versus lead acid technology. My guess is you would need a 300 ah lead acid battery system for example for you to even just come close to the performance and RANGE you’ll get from the 160 ah lithium battery. But please keep in mind I’m talking about driving at high speeds, I’m not talking about driving a cart around the golf course for example. Hope this helps. You have the Navitas controller correct? What batteries specifically do you have?
@@yourtechtoday9238 I have us batteries, 6 8V, rated at 170AH at 20hr rate. I know the lead acid will degrade, as well as losing the power after maybe 50-60% of battery is drained so I get that part, but I guess my though here was, 105 vs 170 AH, I’m only getting 2/3rd the ah, even if the LI battery does have better performance for the full charge, it seems like the math evens out, I run 2 hours on lithium ion before battery dies, and I run 3 hours on lead acid before battery dies, but only 2 hours on lead acid is quality performance the last hour I lose a lot of power because my charge gets lower at around 35%. Does that make sense? So the lead acid would actually run longer, but actual driving performance between the two would still be about the same? Maybe like you mentioned I don’t understand the difference but that was where my thinking was. And yes I have navitas 600a controller
I understand. So you have the original US batteries that came with your cart correct? If so, in my humble opinion, that is also part of your problem. I had an ICON that had the US batteries and when I sold it and got a newer ICON that had Trojan batteries the pulling power and range was so much better with the Trojan batteries. And I’ve heard several dealers tell me that’s a fact. I guess this is why Icon went to Trojan batteries. And I’m sorry if you already mentioned this, but do you have the I 40 L or the I 60 L or what model Icon/Advanced EV?
@@yourtechtoday9238 yes they are the originals, not sure why they aren’t Trojans, seems like everyone else has Trojans except me, maybe they got one over on me and gave me cheaper batteries, my example in previous comment was merely a hypothetical though, so far I seem to be running fine for the most part but we have some significant hills so battery life is a concern because of it…never been an issue yet but extending as much as possible is always welcome for me while not sacrificing speed or torque (navitas controller did wonders for the torque). I have an i60L, lifted, 23” tires. All things equal I’m curious if I would get less , more, or the same battery life, I know they’re lighter so there would be some benefit there, but aside from that seems like from the amp hour rating I’d still lose some overall life, but better quality of that life. Also was told running the roypow at 200a for 9 seconds will cut the battery off…no idea how many amps I draw when going up our biggest hills but I guess I should use the navitas app to track it so I know…would suck to spend a few grand and not be able to get up a hill because I’m drawing too much current. I saw you mentioned the navitas can be limited to only draw a certain amount which is nice but then I fall into the issue of reducing my torque so it doesn’t draw too much and shut it down…so you can see the predicament I’m trying to evaluate. Got controller for the torque, if I get lithium I might have to turn that torque down on some hills, plus am I really gaining more battery life (and not talking life cycle of the battery, I know they last much longer than lead acid in terms of needing to replace them).
OK so a couple things about your question, I would guess that my six 8 Volt batteries (48 volt) Trojan setup had the same capacity or more than your current US batteries. Probably more amp hours in real life usage regardless of what the spec sheets says. But when replacing those batteries almost 1500 miles ago with this 160 ah Roy Pow, I get almost 50 miles MORE in range with my new lithium battery even though I drive it hard. As I mentioned in the video, I very much believe that I can get 75 to 80 miles range out of this battery, and that’s driving at an average of 34 to 38 mph as much as possible. So I can’t really express enough to you that the amp hours is not reflective in the range you’re going to get if you compare the 170 amp hours of your US batteries to the 160 amp hours of a Roy Pow lithium. It’s just crazy to me to this very day how often me and my wife shake our head that we have driven so many miles and the battery gauge almost never moves LOL. We literally mention it all the time on a long trip because we know we would’ve been worrying about range when we had the Trojans on the same ride. That is the best way I can explain it I guess. It’s the technology of the lithium and how it acts just like the batteries in my Tesla. It’s also about the fact that I took away about 350 pounds of weight out of my cart by replacing those Trojans with this lithium battery that only ways 160 lbs vs the Trojans that I believe total close to 500. I don’t guess you have the same road tires that I do but I think that helps a small bit in my ultimate performance. But after what you have right now as a set up, if you get a lithium battery that is 140 amp hours or up, I think you’ll be blown away but that is just my personal belief. For the BMS issue you mentioned, our Navitas controller is supposed to prevent that as you mentioned how I talked about that in the video. But if you can find my battery in the P version you’ll have even more peace of mind in my opinion. But I don’t have a lot of hills so I understand your worry. Once again, you’re Navjtas should prevent the spike. And with that said, I’m not an engineer but I’ve done extensive research on this, and from what I’ve learned the amperage limit that the Navitas would put on the battery will only stop it from surging to a certain amperage when you first press the pedal but that does not equate to overall torque. Will it be affected for a milli-second? I don’t know, maybe. But I firmly believe that the Navitas is just stopping it from hitting that high amperage spike on a steep hill when you first push the pedal. So please don’t think that this would equate to you losing all the torque that you like so much with your Navitas and thus stopping you from going up a hill. Most every issue with Roy Pow batteries was because people were using the 105 or smaller on a six seater cart. And I’ve only heard of 2 stories where people had a ton of weight on a 6 seater going up a steep incline and had the BMS issue with a 160 Roy Pow. But I believe our Navitas controller would have prevented that happening on the 160. There are a bunch of new lithium battery makers so find one other than a Roy Pow if that gives you more peace of mind. But as I suggested earlier, please get some thing at least 140ah or bigger if you want to see the range and performance I’m talking about. Its better than night and day. That has been my experience and I hope you have the same once you make the jump. Best of luck but please keep me posted if you end up doing it one day.
@@yourtechtoday9238 I decided to start with the 6Trojan batteries it comes with. I read on some icon forums that the lithium is having issues and the cart locks up. Not sure what the cause is. Not taking that risk for a couple of grand.
@@Familyguy1262 I totally understand but it’s just dealers putting the wrong batteries in these carts. I think I’m gonna make a video on it one day because there is a ton of misinformation out there. But happy you are taking advantage of the batteries that come with the cart. Nothing wrong with that!
Thanks for your video. I have a few questions on if you were to do it today. What would you change? I have a 2018 icon 6 passenger lifted as it comes. Would love to learn what battery you would use, how to program the charger to work and how to adjust the computer vs getting a a different controller. Any help you can provide with contact info would be awesome.
It's pretty easy honestly, I work in quality control here in Arizona and you can use Trojans, agms, and a lithium ion battery I don't recall the name. It's pretty easy and in most cases you can use the same converter. The programs for both are super simplistic and universal. But you will have to take it to your dealer, most options are universal. My favorite is the trojan batteries, they make the cart turn into a rocket ship 🤣
We just got our I60L. Great cart. Did those tires lower the total height of the cart any? Ours is barely squeezing into the garage with the factory knobby tires and this might be a solution.
Your charger is set up for lead acid batteries if you using your original charger to the charge the roypow the gauge may read full do to surface charge, i recommend using a li charger that came with your roypow and if wire properly you can use your same cord
I’ve had the charger programmed for my current battery and about to drop a video where I’ve hit 30000 miles. Why are you saying this? Am I missing something because I have quite a few miles where charging has been zero issue since using the correct charging profile since getting the RoyPow battery…
Maybe I missed it. But Icon has a electric parking brake. If the BMS cuts out the parking brake locks up and throws people out of the cart. Very dangerous. Did you fix that or just ignore it? Remember the parking brake is normally lock with no power and power unlocks it. So a controller wont fix that problem. Not a great design.
Thanks man! Quick question, could you include a parts list with links in the description or here? I like your steering wheel and not sure of what hub I need to get on for mine! Also need to think about lithium, my lead batterys and the navitas controller just isnt giving me the performance I wanted.
Thanks Jim! Yes, I planned on doing that ASAP. I was just trying to get the video up for everyone as soon as possible yesterday and thought I’d add the links once I had more time. I will add a couple of links this morning. But I will be adding them all soon! Thanks for the support!
@@user-dl5xr2tw9f Hey man, I have a question about my I40L, Here in Tallahassee Florida, My ICON is only a year old and when new I noticed after charging it would not show 100% charge every time. I took it back to the dealer 2 hours away and it worked fine there. I realized it wasn't a big deal it's actually 100% even when reading like 78%. Recently the miles and the speedometer quit counting up or showing mph. Now just a couple days ago while unloading it at my property it didn't want to move, started making this weird jumpy move and shaking. I rolled it off the trailer and tried forward and reverse and it tries to move in reverse but cant make it's mind up if it's in forward or reverse as it wont move more than a couple inch's but is very concerning. It's fully charged Trojan batteries. This cart has been great. I love it. But I need an Idea what's caused it to act up. I can see and hear the relay under the dash clicking when turning it on. I'm not really wanting to travel 2 hours to where I bought it. I've seen you comment on several ICON videos so you seem to have great knowledge working with them. Any advice? Sorry for hijacking your video love the content as I'm looking for anyone else with similar issues. Thanks for any help.
@@cgodwin336 Could be a few things but the way you said your cart is acting jumpy sometimes relates to low-voltage meaning your batteries are not charged. I know you believe that they are, but just to be certain, can you confirm that when the cart is plugged into the charger and you lift your seat up and look at the battery charger itself, do you see that the charger starts off red and then ultimately it has a bright green light once the batteries are fully charged? Regardless of what your dash percentage shows or any of that, the only true way to know that your batteries are fully charged is to look at that charger and see if the light is fully green. Can you confirm that please?
@@yourtechtoday9238 yes sir I plugged it in again checked under the seat and the blue charger started out red and charged over night turning green. I did take one battery positive and negative off and checked the voltage with my meter it reads about 48-50 volts dc. I’m pretty confident it’s charged. I could hear the batteries sizzling a little right after I plugged the charger. Good water levels in all batteries. Thanks for any help
What a great video. I just bought an I60l ICON that came with a Roy Pow s51160. The cart does 25 mph and I don't care to go any faster. It was doing great until the other day. Coming up a steep hill it dropped out and died. The power lights were only down two bars. After a while I was able to restart the battery by holding the on off button down for several seconds. Is this something that can be resolved by having the factory controller reprogrammed?
@@yourtechtoday9238 It only locked out on me once. It was only me and my dog who weighs 65 pounds. I have been up and down that hill probably 20 times before and no problems.
@@jt11255 so the only time you’ll have this issue is if you’re going on a very steep hill and/or you have a bunch of weight on the cart. You mentioned the hill is steep so the best thing I can suggest is to maybe try not to push the accelerator pedal down any further than you have to even though I realize you typically need a lot of power to get up a steep hill. This issue is really only found on the S version of the battery that we have and this is why Roy Pow now sells a P version of our battery that allows you to discharge more power from the battery without the BMS shutting down like it did for you on that hill. But to answer your original question, yes I do believe you could program your cart a little differently to help prevent this from happening. I would ask your dealer to see if he can assist with it. Ultimately it’s always going to be a problem but I’ve got almost 4000 miles on my battery and to this day it’s only happened once to me and that was because I had 6 people on the cart with 2 dogs and then I was pulling a trailer with 3 other people in the trailer. Way to much weight for me to be asking of this standard version of the battery. But once again to maybe help you with your problem I should mention that when it happened to me it only turned off when I put the pedal to the floor. Otherwise it was driving just fine with all of that weight. Also just let me know if you’d like me to tell you how to reset everything if this ever happens again instead of having to wait for the battery to restart.
@@MrDance4meh that is really the only easy way. Some people think that you can just restart the battery but I have not seen that to be true. The fix is to VERY carefully remove the positive terminal cable to the battery with a wrench, without letting it arch or anything crazy between the terminals, and then it will reset the battery. Please be careful…a lot of power in that battery…
Thanks Dennis! I love Schnauzer’s! Mine has serious separation anxiety so you’d be surprised the things I do to keep her happy. Us humans don’t deserve the love of dogs…I’m always going to keep the promise I made when I rescued her to give her the best life ever. I try my best for sure!! drive.google.com/file/d/1I52AFY6C1KmfGAeRej7ZxR5I5v3vgNp6/view?usp=drivesdk
@@yourtechtoday9238 my Gussie is 14.5 now...got him as a 11 week old puppy. He is the last surviving pure Schnauzers we’ve had... www.reddit.com/r/schnauzers/comments/o01fi5/my_old_man_gussie_snoozing_in_the_office_this/? Now we get our pups from a local shelter and we’ve got some great dogs from there.
Make sure you don not buy this model Navitas 10-000890-14 tac2 600a controller for the 450A controller replacement it does not fit the 450a harness ………it fits the 350a harness. I have a 2022 i40L and bought this to upgrade the cart and found out as soon as I looked at the harness they are both two different sizes. The i40L harness is wider by a good quarter inch. I called Navitas and they told me they have NOT made a controller yet that will for the 2022 year wider harness. So if you want to upgrade to the Navitas make sure you specify you have a 2022 model or up ……if you have the 350a controller you good.
We need some more ICON videos!! haha.
I'm trying to decide between the 40L and 60L but i'm 90% on the 60. Love your cart!
I’ll try to help you with that in the next few days! I too went down that path but I’ll explain more in the next video!
@@yourtechtoday9238 GREAT!! That sounds amazing. Thanks
Hey, I have been looking to buy an Icon golf cart recently, i’m questioning if i should get a 4 seater or 6 seater but your videos have really been helping me out, thanks! Subscribed 👍🏼
I really appreciate you letting me know! Means a lot so thank you! I bought the lifted 4 seater and it was great but it was pre-pandemic when prices were only about $1500 difference between the 4 and the 6 so I sold the four and bought the six for actually only $1000 more. But I know prices are crazy now and there’s a bigger gap between the 4 and the 6 seater at this point. For what it’s worth, the big difference between the 4 and the 6, except for the obvious size difference, is the stability at higher speeds and when going around curves is a lot better in the 6 seater. Best of luck!
Put Bigbattery 120 Ah Lithium Batteries in my L60, all utilities work but the cart won't move, I hear the click which seems to be the electric brake releasing but cart goes nowhere, checked the relay under the cup holder, it is not lit up, any advice is appreciated ?
Nice videos man! I have a 2021 icon i60 it’s all stock other than a reducer to put in a sound bar and led lights under it. the navitas controller is something I’m looking at going too, for more off the line power. mine has the 5kw ac motor and the 440 amp controller. it’s not lifted cause of my garage door is low sadly. and it does 29 100% charged down to 90% rest of the time it’s 27. didn’t know if you noticed the torque gets increased or not going to that controller. Be the stock one. and I need a winter project. Being when I bought it used at the end of 21 had low mileage the previous owner put all new batteries in it. so when those go. I’ll be going to lithium but not as of now. just wanted to have that out of the gate power to be really impressive. Like I see some 2 seaters popping a wheelie and gone. don’t need a 6 seater todo that but that kinda power out the hole would be cool vs the lazy take off it has now.
I appreciate it!! Thanks for watching! As far as the Navitas I think I have good and bad news so I’ll give you the good news first that is the Navitas will absolutely fix your take-take off speed/torque! Yes it will be best with lithium, but even with stock batteries it will launch out the gate if you have the Navitas turned up for fast take-off and that’s easy to do because of its “on-the-fly” controls that mount on your dash. The bad news is that it sounds like you have the newer generation Icon because you said you have the 440 amp controller if I’m not mistaken. If I’m correct that means they don’t have a Navitas controller for those newer Icons yet. It’s supposed to be 2021 and older that can use the Navitas I have linked in my accessories list on all of my videos, but your’s appears to technically be a 2022 but Icon doesn’t really sell their carts by “year”. Anyhow, for you to be certain you can’t use the Nevitas I linked in the description of my videos, you will need to see if your controller is the Toyota NEOS controller. If it is, then you can definitely use the Navitas I have listed and the one I have on my cart. But if it’s not a Toyota controller then as of now Navitas hasn’t come out with one that will work with your cart just yet unless they have very recently and I haven’t heard about it yet. I hope this helps but please let me know if you have any more questions.
Can you tell me what I need to do with the green and brown wire that came off charger to the upgrade roypow upgrade
Do you mean you have a Roy Pow battery installed and your trying to figure out how to get the new charger that came with the Roy Pow connected to the battery? Just making sure I understand the question.
Yes and it should the only wires I don't have accounted for are this green/black wire and brown wire which went into old charger
So I’m not quite certain how you’re setting yours up because if you’re using the charger that came with the Roy Pow the wires coming in from your original charger shouldn’t be doing anything. I’m sure I’m just missing something in your set up but for mine, I basically used the lithium charger that came with my Roy Pow that was meant for a Club Car or maybe an EZ GoI I believe. This meant I needed to place the charger onboard beside the battery and splice the charging cord and place the brown wire on the positive post and the blue wire on the negative. Then I would simply have to lift the seat and grab the 110 cable that comes out of the charger’s other side and plug it into a wall outlet in the garage to charge the cart/battery. Once again I only did this for a little while because ultimately I was able to program my icons charger to charge the Roy Pow itself.
Thanks I'm in touch with icon as well I'm an actual dealers mechanic but I don't recommend it much yet
OK just let me know if I can help any further. Best of luck and please be safe. I realize you probably know this already but I always make sure the battery is powered off via the button on the side until everything is wired up.
Ever thought of putting side and rear steps ? I did it to mine and my wife appreciates it !
Funny you say that, it’s one of the two things I keep saying I wanna do next. I want to add the step ups and maybe the front clay basket. Step ups for sure, still not sure about the front clay basket.
Do you know what algorithm profile he set for the Delta Q charger for the lithium battery?
I wish I did but I’m not certain of the exact voltage. I only know two things that may help you: in that regard: When he programmed it I saw in the software briefly that there is an option for a lithium battery setting for setting the charger algorithm. And then also it may help you that the number he set it to matched up to what the charger that came with my Roy Pow said it would do if that makes sense? Also I can plug my cart in and look at my Navitas app and see exactly what voltage it is charging at if that would help you?
I just wanted to say thank you for taking the time to make this video. It was very helpful and you really took the time to put all the links to what you did to the cart. My wife and I just bought a 2022 red Icon I60L today. We love it, but it only goes 19 MPH and it does fit in our garage. It’s too tall. I have a lot of questions and I really trust your opinion. Would there be anyway you would feel comfortable talking to my wife and I on the phone when you have time? Is there anyway to get your contact information privately? Thanks you again and I look forward to speaking with you.
That is really kind of you Tedd! Thank you for taking a minute. Your gonna love your cart! Great choice of color too!!
Are you on Facebook? If so give me your username and I’ll message you if that works.
Or just give me your number if that helps and I’ll delete the comment right after I get the number.
Hey, I was just talking to you on Facebook but I lost you. Facebook messenger won’t let me send you the video I just took for you. Can you reach me on Facebook again. Thank you.
What navitas 600 amp to buy from Amazon that you have? There’s multiple options. I have the same cart as you and don’t know which one to choose
Call the company called Plum Quick and order the Navitas from them made specifically for our cart and they will guide you. Please let me know if they don’t but I’m sure they will!!!
What's the link to the forum. I have a lot of questions. Just bought an i40 and it will be here in a month. I need to add, the bluetooth speaker bar like yours, sand bottles, ball washer, ice chest. Great video.
Glad it helped. Thanks. Here is a link to the forum on Facebook. Just let me know if you have any issues joining. If you request to join they will accept you within a day or probably earlier. facebook.com/groups/283409022761803/?ref=share
can you DM me the software for the programing? I cant find it online
Curious, my lead acid batteries have 170AH rating, I see roypow has a couple 48v options one is 160Ah and one 105Ah rating, so wouldn’t I get more battery life out of the lead acid than the roypow? I know the lead acid will degrade in performance as they get lower…but seems like I might actually lose range if I upgrade instead of gaining range…any input for this question?
The best and easiest way to explain this is the performance degradation that you’re speaking of during each drive as the battery runs down…Well that performance degradation impacts range just as much. I can explain this further and give you examples if you’d like but I don’t wanna bore you. I’m gonna do some real time range tests in a video coming soon. .But just know it’s night and day the science behind Lithium versus lead acid technology. My guess is you would need a 300 ah lead acid battery system for example for you to even just come close to the performance and RANGE you’ll get from the 160 ah lithium battery. But please keep in mind I’m talking about driving at high speeds, I’m not talking about driving a cart around the golf course for example. Hope this helps. You have the Navitas controller correct? What batteries specifically do you have?
@@yourtechtoday9238 I have us batteries, 6 8V, rated at 170AH at 20hr rate. I know the lead acid will degrade, as well as losing the power after maybe 50-60% of battery is drained so I get that part, but I guess my though here was, 105 vs 170 AH, I’m only getting 2/3rd the ah, even if the LI battery does have better performance for the full charge, it seems like the math evens out, I run 2 hours on lithium ion before battery dies, and I run 3 hours on lead acid before battery dies, but only 2 hours on lead acid is quality performance the last hour I lose a lot of power because my charge gets lower at around 35%. Does that make sense? So the lead acid would actually run longer, but actual driving performance between the two would still be about the same? Maybe like you mentioned I don’t understand the difference but that was where my thinking was. And yes I have navitas 600a controller
I understand. So you have the original US batteries that came with your cart correct? If so, in my humble opinion, that is also part of your problem. I had an ICON that had the US batteries and when I sold it and got a newer ICON that had Trojan batteries the pulling power and range was so much better with the Trojan batteries. And I’ve heard several dealers tell me that’s a fact. I guess this is why Icon went to Trojan batteries. And I’m sorry if you already mentioned this, but do you have the I 40 L or the I 60 L or what model Icon/Advanced EV?
@@yourtechtoday9238 yes they are the originals, not sure why they aren’t Trojans, seems like everyone else has Trojans except me, maybe they got one over on me and gave me cheaper batteries, my example in previous comment was merely a hypothetical though, so far I seem to be running fine for the most part but we have some significant hills so battery life is a concern because of it…never been an issue yet but extending as much as possible is always welcome for me while not sacrificing speed or torque (navitas controller did wonders for the torque). I have an i60L, lifted, 23” tires. All things equal I’m curious if I would get less , more, or the same battery life, I know they’re lighter so there would be some benefit there, but aside from that seems like from the amp hour rating I’d still lose some overall life, but better quality of that life. Also was told running the roypow at 200a for 9 seconds will cut the battery off…no idea how many amps I draw when going up our biggest hills but I guess I should use the navitas app to track it so I know…would suck to spend a few grand and not be able to get up a hill because I’m drawing too much current. I saw you mentioned the navitas can be limited to only draw a certain amount which is nice but then I fall into the issue of reducing my torque so it doesn’t draw too much and shut it down…so you can see the predicament I’m trying to evaluate. Got controller for the torque, if I get lithium I might have to turn that torque down on some hills, plus am I really gaining more battery life (and not talking life cycle of the battery, I know they last much longer than lead acid in terms of needing to replace them).
OK so a couple things about your question, I would guess that my six 8 Volt batteries (48 volt) Trojan setup had the same capacity or more than your current US batteries. Probably more amp hours in real life usage regardless of what the spec sheets says. But when replacing those batteries almost 1500 miles ago with this 160 ah Roy Pow, I get almost 50 miles MORE in range with my new lithium battery even though I drive it hard. As I mentioned in the video, I very much believe that I can get 75 to 80 miles range out of this battery, and that’s driving at an average of 34 to 38 mph as much as possible. So I can’t really express enough to you that the amp hours is not reflective in the range you’re going to get if you compare the 170 amp hours of your US batteries to the 160 amp hours of a Roy Pow lithium. It’s just crazy to me to this very day how often me and my wife shake our head that we have driven so many miles and the battery gauge almost never moves LOL. We literally mention it all the time on a long trip because we know we would’ve been worrying about range when we had the Trojans on the same ride. That is the best way I can explain it I guess. It’s the technology of the lithium and how it acts just like the batteries in my Tesla. It’s also about the fact that I took away about 350 pounds of weight out of my cart by replacing those Trojans with this lithium battery that only ways 160 lbs vs the Trojans that I believe total close to 500. I don’t guess you have the same road tires that I do but I think that helps a small bit in my ultimate performance. But after what you have right now as a set up, if you get a lithium battery that is 140 amp hours or up, I think you’ll be blown away but that is just my personal belief. For the BMS issue you mentioned, our Navitas controller is supposed to prevent that as you mentioned how I talked about that in the video. But if you can find my battery in the P version you’ll have even more peace of mind in my opinion. But I don’t have a lot of hills so I understand your worry. Once again, you’re Navjtas should prevent the spike. And with that said, I’m not an engineer but I’ve done extensive research on this, and from what I’ve learned the amperage limit that the Navitas would put on the battery will only stop it from surging to a certain amperage when you first press the pedal but that does not equate to overall torque. Will it be affected for a milli-second? I don’t know, maybe. But I firmly believe that the Navitas is just stopping it from hitting that high amperage spike on a steep hill when you first push the pedal. So please don’t think that this would equate to you losing all the torque that you like so much with your Navitas and thus stopping you from going up a hill. Most every issue with Roy Pow batteries was because people were using the 105 or smaller on a six seater cart. And I’ve only heard of 2 stories where people had a ton of weight on a 6 seater going up a steep incline and had the BMS issue with a 160 Roy Pow. But I believe our Navitas controller would have prevented that happening on the 160. There are a bunch of new lithium battery makers so find one other than a Roy Pow if that gives you more peace of mind. But as I suggested earlier, please get some thing at least 140ah or bigger if you want to see the range and performance I’m talking about. Its better than night and day. That has been my experience and I hope you have the same once you make the jump. Best of luck but please keep me posted if you end up doing it one day.
You can buy i60l with lithium now. Wonder if there good
That’s great to hear. It depends on what lithium they’re using. Do you know?
@@yourtechtoday9238 it sure I am speaking to the dealer now. I will get you the brand of battery and let you know.
@@yourtechtoday9238 I decided to start with the 6Trojan batteries it comes with. I read on some icon forums that the lithium is having issues and the cart locks up. Not sure what the cause is. Not taking that risk for a couple of grand.
@@Familyguy1262 I totally understand but it’s just dealers putting the wrong batteries in these carts. I think I’m gonna make a video on it one day because there is a ton of misinformation out there. But happy you are taking advantage of the batteries that come with the cart. Nothing wrong with that!
@@yourtechtoday9238 can you do a video of how you converted to lithium? Also do you think the motors are rated for higher speeds
Thanks for your video. I have a few questions on if you were to do it today. What would you change? I have a 2018 icon 6 passenger lifted as it comes. Would love to learn what battery you would use, how to program the charger to work and how to adjust the computer vs getting a a different controller. Any help you can provide with contact info would be awesome.
I’m sorry I missed this comment. I am uploading a video today and will answer your question. Sorry for the delay.
@@yourtechtoday9238 thank you. Look forward to seeing it and learning so I can convert my icon 60L
It's pretty easy honestly, I work in quality control here in Arizona and you can use Trojans, agms, and a lithium ion battery I don't recall the name. It's pretty easy and in most cases you can use the same converter. The programs for both are super simplistic and universal. But you will have to take it to your dealer, most options are universal. My favorite is the trojan batteries, they make the cart turn into a rocket ship 🤣
Go to whatever icon dealership is by you or give them a call where you bought it.
We just got our I60L. Great cart. Did those tires lower the total height of the cart any? Ours is barely squeezing into the garage with the factory knobby tires and this might be a solution.
Good question. I honestly don’t know. Let me know your total height right now and look and see how high mine is to compare.
Your charger is set up for lead acid batteries if you using your original charger to the charge the roypow the gauge may read full do to surface charge, i recommend using a li charger that came with your roypow and if wire properly you can use your same cord
I’ve had the charger programmed for my current battery and about to drop a video where I’ve hit 30000 miles. Why are you saying this? Am I missing something because I have quite a few miles where charging has been zero issue since using the correct charging profile since getting the RoyPow battery…
Maybe I missed it. But Icon has a electric parking brake. If the BMS cuts out the parking brake locks up and throws people out of the cart. Very dangerous. Did you fix that or just ignore it? Remember the parking brake is normally lock with no power and power unlocks it. So a controller wont fix that problem. Not a great design.
Thanks man! Quick question, could you include a parts list with links in the description or here? I like your steering wheel and not sure of what hub I need to get on for mine! Also need to think about lithium, my lead batterys and the navitas controller just isnt giving me the performance I wanted.
Thanks Jim! Yes, I planned on doing that ASAP. I was just trying to get the video up for everyone as soon as possible yesterday and thought I’d add the links once I had more time. I will add a couple of links this morning. But I will be adding them all soon! Thanks for the support!
You should talk to your dealer, we also have agm batteries that work way better then the Trojans!!!
@@user-dl5xr2tw9f Hey man, I have a question about my I40L, Here in Tallahassee Florida, My ICON is only a year old and when new I noticed after charging it would not show 100% charge every time. I took it back to the dealer 2 hours away and it worked fine there. I realized it wasn't a big deal it's actually 100% even when reading like 78%. Recently the miles and the speedometer quit counting up or showing mph. Now just a couple days ago while unloading it at my property it didn't want to move, started making this weird jumpy move and shaking. I rolled it off the trailer and tried forward and reverse and it tries to move in reverse but cant make it's mind up if it's in forward or reverse as it wont move more than a couple inch's but is very concerning. It's fully charged Trojan batteries. This cart has been great. I love it. But I need an Idea what's caused it to act up. I can see and hear the relay under the dash clicking when turning it on. I'm not really wanting to travel 2 hours to where I bought it. I've seen you comment on several ICON videos so you seem to have great knowledge working with them. Any advice? Sorry for hijacking your video love the content as I'm looking for anyone else with similar issues. Thanks for any help.
@@cgodwin336 Could be a few things but the way you said your cart is acting jumpy sometimes relates to low-voltage meaning your batteries are not charged. I know you believe that they are, but just to be certain, can you confirm that when the cart is plugged into the charger and you lift your seat up and look at the battery charger itself, do you see that the charger starts off red and then ultimately it has a bright green light once the batteries are fully charged? Regardless of what your dash percentage shows or any of that, the only true way to know that your batteries are fully charged is to look at that charger and see if the light is fully green. Can you confirm that please?
@@yourtechtoday9238 yes sir I plugged it in again checked under the seat and the blue charger started out red and charged over night turning green. I did take one battery positive and negative off and checked the voltage with my meter it reads about 48-50 volts dc. I’m pretty confident it’s charged. I could hear the batteries sizzling a little right after I plugged the charger. Good water levels in all batteries. Thanks for any help
What a great video. I just bought an I60l ICON that came with a Roy Pow s51160. The cart does 25 mph and I don't care to go any faster. It was doing great until the other day. Coming up a steep hill it dropped out and died. The power lights were only down two bars. After a while I was able to restart the battery by holding the on off button down for several seconds. Is this something that can be resolved by having the factory controller reprogrammed?
Thank you! When you are going up the hill how many people were on the cart?
@@yourtechtoday9238 It only locked out on me once. It was only me and my dog who weighs 65 pounds. I have been up and down that hill probably 20 times before and no problems.
@@jt11255 so the only time you’ll have this issue is if you’re going on a very steep hill and/or you have a bunch of weight on the cart. You mentioned the hill is steep so the best thing I can suggest is to maybe try not to push the accelerator pedal down any further than you have to even though I realize you typically need a lot of power to get up a steep hill. This issue is really only found on the S version of the battery that we have and this is why Roy Pow now sells a P version of our battery that allows you to discharge more power from the battery without the BMS shutting down like it did for you on that hill. But to answer your original question, yes I do believe you could program your cart a little differently to help prevent this from happening. I would ask your dealer to see if he can assist with it. Ultimately it’s always going to be a problem but I’ve got almost 4000 miles on my battery and to this day it’s only happened once to me and that was because I had 6 people on the cart with 2 dogs and then I was pulling a trailer with 3 other people in the trailer. Way to much weight for me to be asking of this standard version of the battery. But once again to maybe help you with your problem I should mention that when it happened to me it only turned off when I put the pedal to the floor. Otherwise it was driving just fine with all of that weight. Also just let me know if you’d like me to tell you how to reset everything if this ever happens again instead of having to wait for the battery to restart.
@@daynemaasdorp357 how do you reset it easily? I know you could also remove the battery cable?
@@MrDance4meh that is really the only easy way. Some people think that you can just restart the battery but I have not seen that to be true. The fix is to VERY carefully remove the positive terminal cable to the battery with a wrench, without letting it arch or anything crazy between the terminals, and then it will reset the battery. Please be careful…a lot of power in that battery…
Hey man. Wanted to talk to you if you have time. Can you reach out?
No problem. Just give me your cell and I’ll call you if you give me a time window that works for you. Or tell me how you’d like to connect.
Sweet Schnauzer girl! Wish my Gus would do that :)
Thanks Dennis! I love Schnauzer’s! Mine has serious separation anxiety so you’d be surprised the things I do to keep her happy. Us humans don’t deserve the love of dogs…I’m always going to keep the promise I made when I rescued her to give her the best life ever. I try my best for sure!!
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@@yourtechtoday9238 my Gussie is 14.5 now...got him as a 11 week old puppy. He is the last surviving pure Schnauzers we’ve had...
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Now we get our pups from a local shelter and we’ve got some great dogs from there.
@@phlydude this is fantastic! That picture made me smile. Blessings to you and Gus! So happy you have had so many wonderful years and counting!
Can you send me pic. And information. Thank you.
Make sure you don not buy this model Navitas 10-000890-14 tac2 600a controller for the 450A controller replacement it does not fit the 450a harness ………it fits the 350a harness. I have a 2022 i40L and bought this to upgrade the cart and found out as soon as I looked at the harness they are both two different sizes. The i40L harness is wider by a good quarter inch. I called Navitas and they told me they have NOT made a controller yet that will for the 2022 year wider harness. So if you want to upgrade to the Navitas make sure you specify you have a 2022 model or up ……if you have the 350a controller you good.