Prioritizing Identity Over Excellence & Competence is Destroying Us
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 พ.ค. 2024
- Our guest on this week's #NCFWhittle is Lionel Shriver, the acclaimed novelist and winner of the Orange Prize for Fiction for her novel "We Need to Talk About Kevin". Her new novel is "MANIA: What if calling someone stupid was illegal?" - and it could not be more relevant to our increasingly dystopian times. Order here: www.amazon.co.uk/Mania-latest...
"In a reality not too distant from our own, where the so-called Mental Parity Movement has taken hold, the worst thing you can call someone is 'stupid'.
"Everyone is equally clever, and discrimination based on intelligence is 'the last great civil rights fight'.
"Exams and grades are all discarded, and smart phones are rebranded. Children are expelled for saying the S-word and encouraged to report parents for using it. You don't need a qualification to be a doctor.
"Best friends since adolescence, Pearson and Emory find themselves on opposing sides of this new culture war. Radio personality Emory - who has built her career riding the tide of popular thought - makes increasingly hard-line statements while, for her part, Pearson believes the whole thing is ludicrous.
"As their friendship fractures, Pearson's determination to cling onto the 'old, bigoted way of thinking' begins to endanger her job, her safety and even her family.
"Lionel Shriver turns her piercing gaze on the policing of opinion and intellect, and imagines a world in which intellectual meritocracy is heresy. Hilarious, deadpan, scathing and at times frighteningly plausible, MANIA will delight the many fans of her fiction and journalism alike."
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DEI - Didn't Earn It.
Nice 😂. Mediocrity is the thing to which people aspire today. Sad times. The woke will see their gat though.... inbthe mea time we must suffer and watch.
The madness is older than you may think. Back in Springtime 1996 I was called to my son's Junior school as " a serious racial incident had occurred." I took time off work to attend the summons to the Head's office. Apparently my son and a girl had been name calling. She called him " Jamie, wamey, the big fat baby." Now came his dreadful reply. " Janine, Janine, the jelly bean." Taken aback I asked if any particular colour was used, maybe a green one? Nope. That was it. Janine was some ethnicity other than white so the teacher who heard it decided " racist." I removed him from school and started a grievance procedure against the Head. The Governors broke protocol ( I was a Governor elsewhere.) I took it to the LEA and a meeting was called. It was cancelled at the last minute. She took early retirement and thus did not need to attend. My son got 6 weeks extra holiday and moved onto senior school in the next term. The moral? Ban Jelly Beans. They are racist.
They😮 know the west😢 would be the har😢dest nut to crack.
How ridiculous!
That's a hell of a ruckus because a single incident of teasing one another. Maybe the Head was upset with feeling second hand embarassment as the rhyme of your son was definitely better.
(just joking)
Other than “jellyroll” was 1950s US black slang for sex or penis i am thinking this is this result of programmed hypervigelence. Itself aided by trauma programming like ridiculing a persons culture and ethics until they break. Basically woman are manipulated by skilled marxist revolutionaries, easily.
@maddoglep2127 - What a story! Sounds like you have the beginnings of a great little novella.
Worship of heroes got replaced by worship of victims, which encourages claims of meekness and suffering over demonstrations of courage and competence
That’s a very good point. Heroes became anti-heroes when I was a teen. Then it was the turn of the feminists, and men became toxic, and that spread to our nationality and then the entire west being toxic.
And replaced by the anti-hero. Growing up with Christopher Reeves as Superman set a tone that made the change to Dead Pool popular culture made a shock to my system
It happened in Rome too, and the empire fell.
Meritocracy never really was much of a thing.
The "fad" the author describes is more accurately called a moral panic, in which these two people are actively involved.
ROME @@kennethdubard9065
I remember when in Bristol 3 Somalian men expected me to get off the pavement so they could pass. As an old person I refused, but it was awake up call. As to the changes overtaking our country.
They presumably forgot the abominable culture they fled from.
I always felt that we didn’t complete the task in Somalia.
@@johnhall2708 They brought it with them, don't you know.
If I was to sum up this current era I would say it's mass psychosis, performative narcissism, virtue signalling and self hatred. However, I do feel there is a counter movement and a revival and interest in British history, virtues and what we are losing. Once again, thank you NCF for a wonderful show.
Yes. Have come to the same conclusion. I’d go one step further and say society lurches from one mass psychosis to the next and has done for centuries.
Must get around one day to reading the original version of “Madness of Crowds”.
Thats a popular introduction of fads, fashions etc. Girard’s (french) theory of mimetics gets to the heart of it. Some good youtube videos on it by an american. But essentially people copy not just materially but emotionallythen emotions grow out of control until there is a martyr .
Nicely put
All of the things you mention is a deliberate result of neo-Marxist (aka 'Woke') indoctrination - or rather idiot-rination over several decades.
It's ironic how whilst watching this I couldn't decide if the presenter was one thing or another, yet I am supposed to trust every word I hear despite my brain is shouting "THIS IS WEIRD!" and ruining my concentration.
Humanity is well on it's way to dying out, the last thing we need is confusing mixed signals in our news!
My 7 yr old granddaughter is a real tom boy and we.are terrified for her. She will find herself without the interference of this toxic agenda . I love that statement I'm a woman and I can't tell how it feels to be a woman. Which debunks the statement I'm a man but I feel like a woman !!!! Love this lady
Maybe she can read some older (as in previous generation) girl's fiction? As I recall, there were plenty of books where girls went off and had adventures.
keep her out of public schools and off social media till her mind matures. Keep her away from the mind virus that is 100% real.
As a female tomboy from the late 70s, 80s, climbing trees, rough housing, the free roaming of the farm connecting to great grandparents. Thing about farms, there were always activities from carrying the stainless steel tanks to the balktanks, throwing hay bales. Sadly, back then, we were never inside except snowstorms, some cold raining, we swung as high as you could and jumped off the swings, jumping ramps we made, like Evel Knievel. When your young, if you are able to roam in nature you see through innocents, it's easier to find that I call it our secret inside worth, that place where you understand how everything is connected, we accept it just natural but we all are individuals, the zone is what it is also whether it's sports or house chores.
Its not what they say going against the grain, it's actually a deep understanding of just knowing we all have strengths and weaknesses which we all have our own paths to bring enlightenment to others that our individuality is our strength of being human. To know oneself truly is to truly love oneself and be content with yourself. Being alone brings inner strength, and you always be honest with others even if the truth hurts, better to not sugarcoat. The worst thing is not letting kids explore, get scrapped up, and test the boundaries on what our body can handle.
Books really boy or girls it matters not as long as it's a good adventure try any Laura Ingles Wilder books, Huckleberry Finn, Swiss Family Robinsons, Little Woman, Journey to the Center of the Earth, Joan of Ark, Adventures of King Arthur any King Arthur it's the possibility like Joan of Ark that no matter what we can all make a difference.
Movies Goonies, Bedknocks and Broomsticks, The Great Outdoors,95 Peter Pan with Robin Williams, Princess Bride, The Never-ending Story, Batteries Not Included, Short Circuit, Beverly Hills Cops.
Assuming the first part of the statement is true. Doesn't she write about male characters? This whole discussion is almost completely devoid of literary insight and psychological truth. Henry James? George Eliot? Their perception of both male and female self awareness was pretty good.
@@user-lh9ei6he1h She's 7
“Invasion day” is what some Australians call it. Born and bred in Melbourne and it’s absolute tyranny and madness here. Can’t even hold a meeting without reading out a welcome to country which is all about the shame we are meant to feel for colonisation.
As an anglo-saxon i think our parliament should be apologising for being on Trinavantes land and petition Italy for reparations for the ceasars Celtic holocaust.
Commiserations about living in Melbourne mate, it really seems to be the national epicenter of this nonsense. I was born in Sydney but lived in Perth for many years. These days I live in the south west of Western Australia and that shit doesn't fly down here, I guess it comes down to us actually having meaningful things to do, unlike the professional protesters who glue their hands to the road to disrupt everyone else's lives. When I watch the news and see this stuff going on I feel like a biologist peering through a microscope at some novel bacteria and thinking, "how very odd".
The same nonsense is going on here in Canada...sadly.
The trouble is Victoria is like California, most people vote for nonsense. My local council puts on an Australia Day BBQ every year, with no welcome to country
I think the Welcome to Country is not about making whites feel guilty, I think it is the first phase towards eternal reparations. When a lie such as 65000 years of continuous cultural (used to be 30000 then 40000 years) occupation, is told often enough, it will become the truth. Once the first lie is accepted a new truth can be built upon its foundation.
A dinner-party show-stopper where equality of outcome is being pushed is "Name me ONE job where competence doesn't come first". From airline pilot to surgeon to someone who cleans hospital toilets or prepares ramen noodles...which doesn't need competence?
Minefield clearance - done the original way, with enemy prisoners - doesn’t require competence. Not a great career outlook, however.
During the Vietnam war, the US went out of its way to recruit subnormal candidates, the idea being they’d barely be missed if lost in action. Turned out to be a disaster as they were a danger not just to themselves but to any competent soldiers or veterans accompanying them. The recruitment drive was quickly cancelled and the old IQ requirements were reinstated.
Jury service.
JUDGE...LOL..Sad but true
I don't know. In Australia toilet cleaners lost their job if they didn't get 💉. Seemed more important than competence
The only identity that matters here is that of indigenous British and Irish. Everyone else is a guest (even those born here - remember Brits were born in colonial India that didnt make them native) and if they cannot act with the utmost respect should be forcefully shown the exit.
Also remember that the white population of the Raj was never more than 30 000. They all came back at independence. So if the "You colonised us, so now it's our turn" argument is thrown in your face, point this fact out to them.
@@DavePocklingtonI think it was 300,000 rather than 30,000 at the height of the Raj. Your point is still valid though. Revenge migration and reparations is a ridiculous argument, especially for most Indians who were ruled over by Mughals for longer than English...and I don't see people using that argument against Mughals whom, I believe, took origin in Uzbekistan...
No such things as "indigenous British," you mean "indigenous English" or "indigenous Welsh" etc. You're going down a dangerous path, there. It's only a matter of time before the Welsh insist that the English go back to Germany, where they came from. Then, the Irish will tell the Welsh to eff off back to France, and so on. :)
Ah, but what if they are 'competent', even 'excellent'? Never mind that all the competent of just India and China - and by some standards, perhaps even the 'excellent' - would blot us out completely. Even excellence may rightly come second to other considerations.
If we have equity, we aren't free. If we are free, then we can't have equity.
Equity Vs Equality is an important distinction.
1. We have a race and start at the same time... I win because I trained harder or perhaps was lucky enough to have physionomy more suited to running.
That is equality.
2. We have a race and everyone knows I'm going to win, so you get a head start and I carry a backpack with a dozen bricks in it, so that we finish even or ideally with you slightly ahead....
That is equity.
I would not even use the word Equity, use the word it really means, Identicality
@@mht5875 I think the actual quote used Equality. If man is equal, then he isn't free. If man is free, then he isn't equal. Because all men sure as heck aren't equally capable or lucky or gifted or tall or good looking or whatever.
Equity actually means the Totalitarian exercise of the superior moral and intellectual truth, values, morals, etc. of the Exalted Elites upon the Authority Of Their Superiority. In short, Equity is Authoritarian Totalitarianism. So you are not free nor are you doing anything to stop this. Enjoy the re-education camps!
My local radio station were talking about prostate cancer only a few days ago. The presenter kept using this term "people with prostates" all through the show and not once did he say the word "man". Because, at least in media institutions, we are already in a world where using the words "man" or "woman" is taboo.
If you ask me, it's phukkin rete-arrded.
Look, it's my right as a man to have babies!! Lol. Why don't you ask "Lionel" I am sure they would know.
Inclusive language. Wow. How dare they? So what do you say to someone assigned female at birth who discovers at puberty that she has a prostate?
@@opinion3742 You are making up a totally fantasy scenario, which is exactly what I said before not trustworthy.
Nobody on Earth develops a prostate at puberty real life doesn't work that way.
What an absurd comment! Hypocrites and liars I deleted this channel and blocked you and your fake accounts.
@@opinion3742 If someone with a prostate was assigned female at birth then that doctor made a very basic mistake.
The Japanese Science Institute named Great Britain as the most influential nation in the historical development of science. They know something which most British people don't. Get out the flags, we have a lot to be proud of! As for the shame, let's not forget that too so that it is not repeated there or someplace else. Some hope. I know.
I know very senior Japanese who are still in awe of Britain’s achievements. They cannot quite believe it possible for one tiny group of people to have done all we did.
@@madeinengland1212 Much of it by non British born people. There is nothing special about our race. We also stole much of the world's wealth and brutalized its people. So if you are going to acknowledge the past don't cherry pick it for reasons to be proud only. Or you could also be proud that many of us are trying to put some of that past right.
the major disappointment during Covid times was not only the abandonment of logic by the public but also by the scientific community. They also participated in the suppression of debate, less politely called censorship with even highly thought of rags such as the Lancet choosing to skew the debate.
It was a terrible sight to see.
This channel is an immense source of consolation for this beleaguered high school teacher - thank you.
Despite their lies and deception - DEI insanity is being pushed in public schools everywhere. How can you stand it?
The problem with self hatred is you are supposed to share it… and if you don’t you are despised…
Why is it when white people learn stuff about the past and see people trying to work toward a more just and equal society some think yea that is good and others get all up in arms and think they are under attack?
No one hates themselves, except those with mental problems. No British person hates Britain. What we do hate, some of us, is the version of Britain in which everything is managed in the same way it was in the 19th century because half the people we share the country with cannot deal with new ideas, dissolution and remaking of out-of-date social structures, the implosion of faith, complexity, *uncertainty,* and so they demand a simplicity to which they aren't entitled.
A wise brave and accountable lady, thats a rare find
Yes that is definitely what this person is.
My daughter is 38. She is gay and in a very happy lesbian marriage. She was always a tom boy and always knew she was gay as did we her parents. She now thinks that if she'd been living today she would probably have thought she really should have been a boy and would have wanted to go down the trans route. So many of today's young gay people are being swallowed up by the trans movement.
I’m a married lesbian as well and it’s soooo true…they would rather have a daughter than can at least “pass” as a son than to have a child who may be 😮 a lesbian! Most any gay/lesbian person will tell you, trans ideology is deeply homophobic. The most homophobic thing we’ve had to deal with in decades as society just keeps “transing the gay away” 😢
The trans movement is crushing the women's movement and the gay lobby .. what's not to like?
@@dcooner5969 the trans movement…just a bunch of heterosexuals pretending to be “queer” 🤪
Fortunately for literature, Lionel has the courage to suck it up. She's the Jonathan Swift of our time.
I wonder if she knows the L P Hartley distopian novel; (Facial justice) about a beta woman;Jail 97 accused of being facially over privileged, born with beauty, in a society where beauty is strictly policed, by a self loathing society in the wake of a nuclear war.
Thank you Peter for conducting this interview and thank you Lionel for not forgetting us in the UK.
We didn't inherit this crap from America, Orwell wrote about this crap in 1930's England.
Take this from a Yank.
The United States is the “great melting pot” and has been since the first colonies were formed. The nation and its people have seen every type of disagreement possible over emigration. It was founded, mostly, due to religious persecution within England. However, that persecution continued, here, until Lord Baltimore made the move to create a state that accepted every religion, and that was Maryland.
Stating the above, we've seen all the pros and cons of emigration, and if they're mentioned today, a small minority tries to label what's said as racism or some other “ism.” We've seen the crime increase several times with each wave of immigrants, and it was crimes that were unknown of before they arrived. We've also witnessed those who refuse to assimilate since the nation was founded from the original colonies, and we know what activities and actions they will perform to keep from assimilating and obeying the law. In other words, what we're seeing, today, in the US, is nothing new.
What I can say to my British cousins is, learn from us. Do not allow yourselves to be run roughshod over by a minority. Stand up, point out the problems, and speak the truth without fear.
The American experiment was always doomed to fail .
When anyone can be in your “ tribe “ then you don’t have a tribe / group.
By their nature tribes are exclusionary.
The same is now happening all over Europe.
No tribes and no land for whites .
Amen
Sadly, I feel that your warning has arrived too late. We in Britain, the English in particular, have for some years been encouraged to indulge in post colonial guilt, indoctrinated into a mass cultural cringe, while multiculturalism has become our religion, and by multiculturalism, it actually means any culture but our own.This has resulted in the majority population, who happen to be white, being demoted to second class citizens as their just punishment for past sins. Thus, all aspects of our history and culture are and have been raked over, and mostly denigrated as evidence of the evil British Empire. And one major result has been to see historical facts rewritten to include a new reality. A reality that perpetuates one great lie, that this country was always multicultural, and that Britain was built by immigrants. I will add that the self-destructive madness that has over taken the whole of the Western world was further ramped up by events in America. The unfortunate death of one drug fuelled criminal, whose probably inevitable demise was hastened by an over-zealous cop, somehow managed to influence the already guilt ridden Western lefty Liberals to further acts of self abasement. All this was never going to end well, and indeed the future of my, yours, and Western civilization as a whole looks doomed. Sorry, a depressing analysis i know, but looking at the state of both Britain and America, I feel entirely accurate.
@@christinerussell113 as an American, I concur…… the future looks abysmal. Our only hope lies in each other. We cannot expect the hordes to change their collective minds for they cannot conceive of much more than living in the hulk of our past great civilizations. We must bind together in the hope that our diminished future ancestors will see the greatness of our kind, and carry on.
England is way further down the road of leftism/multiculturalism than America! We still have an excellent chance of saving ourselves, because we fortunately have a huge number of loud-mouthed, unafraid conservatives. I fear for England, but not so much for America. America is going to be okay.
That "diversity" was made the cornerstone of all values is the height of absurdity.
@baingandinel7956 you are confusing diversity with sexuality
I do agree, but the word 'diversity' is a moving goalpost. It's a word that has a definition, but that definition isn't guaranteed when the word is used. For example, when it's being used in conversation, the first thing I do is ask the person what they mean by 'diversity'. I've actually started doing this with a number of words now. It's no longer safe to assume the person talking is being honest & transparent when words like 'diversity' are expressed.
@@martindenham2207I saw an American programme in which a panel of 5 black women with the same political beliefs as each other claimed to be the 'most diverse panel'
@@robinette4363 Exactly! So that tells you their definition of the word 'diversity' which isn't what most people understand the definition of 'diversity' to be. And that is the problem. James Lindsay talks about how they use the same words but with a secret meaning only they know which they exploit to manipulate you. This is the core of the action. If there's a lack of transparency, then they're up to no good. Such lovely people.
Except that it wasn't. So there is that to consider. Being aware that we are a diverse group of people living in this and other countries is there any reason we shouldn't value it? And given that we have a history of discrimination that continues to pervade the system we live under, why would we not want to do whatever is necessary to put it right? Or is that way of seeing it still the "height of absurdity" to you?
I love Lionel! She's my Spirit Animal ! Thrilled about her new book!
I related to Shriver's point about not trashing the civilisation that brought you into being. As someone who was formerly left-liberal (and self-hating working class), I used to do precisely that. Until I realised it was not just a destructive impulse, but also a deeply ungrateful, spoiled, and entitled one. There is nothing more despicable than spitting on and laughing at white working class Britain, just to earn yourself brownie points with those who despise you.
Welcome
💯agree
I am so happy to listen to Lionel Shriver discuss Mania! At last, another person who awoke from Woke some years ago. I am American, 76 years of age, a former leftist from the’60’s UC Berkeley and grateful to Lionel for articulating my outlook!
There would be no woke if there was no anti-woke. Anti-woke is a straw man set up to push a whole different agenda. And it is that agenda that should concern people.
I'm sorry to admit I've not heard of her before, but she expressed more common sense and useful analysis in 50 minutes than I could have imagined. Thanks for having her on.
How could you imagine what someone you have never heard of is going to say?
As an American living in Canada I've had the same experience. Ashamed of my accent and country. I'm not anymore. Canadians also don't fly flags until now. You see many more flags since the trucker protest. Canadians are now becoming the thing they hated about Americans and that's healthy, in my opinion.
@Clem62 - Well, "Canadians" fly Palestinian flags nowadays! It's also become fashionable to wear keffiyehs in some Canadian cities.
That work "vulnerable". Several of our close friends (to say nothing of posters in our NHS hospital and clinic) during 'THE JOHNSON YEARS' (Covid) would proclaim our need to care for the "vulnerable"; much like we used to speak of "The Blind". They would do this in front of me, without noting the irony; now a 72-year-old, kept alive by a 'cardiac generator' on full-drain, since I have been in Complete Cardiac Block since January 2008, aged 55, with insulin-dependent Type II Diabetes (manifest after a compulsory course of Hepatitis-B injections), in renal failure, and constantly falling over (I currently have a fractured left humerus). Who exactly are these "vulnerable"; about whom we hear so frequently?
Best wishes, Mark.
@@Morbius1963 Ta, Morbius!
🙏🌹🙏🌹🙏
Only a couple of years ago I was seriously told off by a 5 year old. I said - about my dog - "oh, she's not stupid." The small girl looked very uncomfortable and replied "oh, that's a bad word, we're not allowed to use that word at school". So "What if calling someone stupid was illegal?"" - It already is in schools.
@zillie8167 I'
m middle aged, but I was raised not to call other people stupid, and not to say 'shut up'. Back then it was just called good manners. We could say we ourselves had done something stupid. As adult to adult in a teasing way with nearest and dearest we could say 'well that was a stupid thing to do!'...but not say 'You are stupid'. Difference between a stupid act as opposed to a stupid person. We were taught not to demean others.
However, you were talking about your dog, but a 5 year old is seeing it in a simplistic way...they are 5, they haven't worked out the nuance yet.
Its not a bad thing that 5 year olds are taught not to call each other stupid.
“Baffled helplessness” exactly describes the feeling as we witness the disestablishment of our culture and values. It’s good to come here and listen to two people talking with awareness and rationality, sadly just a temporary respite.
Thank you, Lionel. THIS ought to become the novel of the year. (Or years.)
Thank you Lionel Shriver for this interview. I take comfort knowing there are still people who view the world with the same lens I do. Your bravery to speak the truth as we understand it is admirable.
She is two a penny these days. Nothing brave about being a dick. The internet is flooded with this crap.
As expected, everything Lionel Shriver said is bang on.
I lived and worked in the states through the 90s, and I can’t believe or relate to the current culture, it has fallen 😢
The US is in decline - first slowly, now suddenly.
A breath of fresh air. Thank you.
She always makes so much sense
From every river to the sea
Britania will be free.
I prefer the channel to the north sea myself.
@@jmlaw8888 do you get the reference?
@@Deepfake820 Yes and many people are using it but some work better than others.
True story: Just this past week, a friend from Hawaii posted, on Facebook, an award her young-teen son brought home from school-- it was a laminated certificate honoring him for NOT getting an "F" and for good attendance! The mother could not believe it; the student tossed it out, considering it ridiculous; and i was flabbergasted.
Wish i could post a photo of it here. It read, in part, "Certificate of Achievement. Proudly presented to xxxxx xxxxx. 95%+ attendance rate, No F's, No Class A or B offenses." Signed by the teacher, et. al.
I for one need to see that to believe the story.
@@opinion3742 Can't post a jpg image here. Give me an email or (is it possible to just send directly to your youtube identity?-- i don't know, i'm kind of an old fart re: technology) and i will send it to you. I found it hard to believe, too. Talk about lowering the bar!
@@lauracooskey9481 If true it is has to be some kind of joke. Or it was just notice of grades achieved. If they only laminated As and Bs that would be odd. As for the offenses - really?
@@opinion3742 "No Class A or B offenses" i don't think has to do with grades, it just means no acting out anti-socially. Not sure what their classes of offense are, but i imagine a Class A Offense is something really serious and Class B a bit less. So this kid had NONE of those. And we have no idea what his grades were, just that they were not F's. Yay, a real scholar!
@@lauracooskey9481 And it still doesn't add up to me. I remain skeptical about the whole thing.
A very sensible intelligent and thoughtful woman. I haven't read any of her books but I think I'll give her work a shot.
She is a fabulous writer, but choosing the right first book is a tricky one. Do you read a lot?
@M123OCT What qualifies as a lot? Which book would you suggest?
@@doctorbritain9632 I'm just aware that Shriver's books are generally not quick/easy reads, so choosing the right one to kick off with is probably quite important.
I would suggest a good one to start with could be "Big Brother", or even her most well-known book, "We Need to Talk About Kevin", which takes a while to get going, but is utterly gripping once you get into it.
I'm sure you'll love her books, and I hope you enjoy them. 👍
@@M123OCT Great, thanks for the help.
@@doctorbritain9632 Let me know how you get on. 👍
Fascinating interview with a wonderful talented woman!
Another good one, keep it up guys.
Very pertinant and interesting.
17:46 "when everyones the same, everyones rubbish" everyones DEAD luv
I had a brief conversation with Dr. Philip Kiszely at The New Culture Forum conference last October and he told me that teachers at Universities are no longer allowed to mark down for spelling and grammar mistakes as this is seen a a kind of discrimination. So this is absolutely happening, and I'm seeing it with the NVQ I'm doing now compared to 12 years ago when I did a similar qualification.
Not surprised, I have seen that pressure in school too, so that the foreigners and mongs get better marks and aren't sad.
It's only a short leap to allowing mistakes to happen in surgery because the foreign surgeon wasn't fully qualified or at least at a lower level than their indigenous colleagues.
@@RichardEnglander and yet they say WE are fragile......
@@SteeeveO it is already happening, especially foreign medics making mistakes.
It was back in the 90's that teachers started being told not to mark work in red pen.
Lionel Shriver’s writing is sublime. Great interview.
Brilliant Peter ..love Lionel everything she says is true..especially on migrants. Our country is been destroyed...Dublin
You can not rebalance the scales of "fairness" or ability - it's a ludicrous proposition, the idea of the intellectually corrupt or insane.
Don't let the black man fly the plane! We will crash and die! Is that what you mean?
I'm a non-left sci-fi author. My characters and plots are purely in service of the story, nothing else. There are literally tens of us left.
EDIT: For those asking, the info is on my bio 🙂
Fed up of seeing black female starship captains with names like Michael O’Malone. 😵💫
Directors and producers these days seem to have so little imagination they can’t even think up suitable new names!
I applaud your integrity and respect for the art.
I will say, though, that the left’s willingness to prioritise activism over all else, including the integrity of their work, their principles, the true, the good, and the beautiful, is actually why they have won. They end up steering the passive feminine masses in their direction. I do wonder if this is why leftism seems virtually unstoppable and ends up running it’s terminal course time and time again. Keep up the good work and hopefully your work helps some people get through this trying time.
@@NFSCfan You make a good point. The difficulty is it's hard enough to write politically neutral stories in today's climate, let alone ones that challenge the narrative. Unless you have a huge, established reader base, good, well-written stories are often the most that non-activist authors can strive for. We might be able to move the needle over time, but people need to vote with their wallets.
@@NFSCfanwell put
There are more of us than you think, but we're all keeping our heads down (or forced into obscurity by the impossibility of getting an agent, let alone a publisher, when you're the exact opposite of their tick-boxes).
Personally, I'm hoping to do my part to change that - looking for additional places for a self-published author to push my work, I put my books on Steam. I'm currently putting the final touches to a tool that I will hopefully also make available via Steam that allows other authors to package their work in such a way that stores - like Steam - that normally don't sell books, will do so.
Assuming Steam itself gives me the go-ahead, I'm anticipating having the tool available in the next couple of months.
With regards to the increasing animosity towards traditional beauty, the NCF should look into the SweetBaby/DEI Consulting scandal unfolding within the gaming industry right now. There is a conscious de-feminisation of female characters in video games, usually justified by “refusing to appeal to the male gaze”, meaning conventional human beauty standards.
If I may say this is a really good piece - thank you Peter... Best wishes, John Morton
“Nature is not fair and they do not like that.” Well said Lionel. That seems to sum up much of it
Lionel is a hypocrite, are we supposed to trust this "non birthing person" now?
Nature is not fair, bad nature! Take drugs and get the chop, that's more fair than nature.
We are screwed, humanity is over.
Thank you to both Peter and Lionel for the fascinating conversation. NCF is rapidly becoming my favourite channel on YT.
There was a prescient novel written about mass immigration. "The Camp of the Saints" (French: "Le Camp des Saints"). It is a 1973 French dystopian fiction novel by author and explorer Jean Raspail.
Some great insights on conformity, human behavior, biology, and our modern times in relation to how things have always been.
The incomers have a religion that is also their politics, they are fervent and motivated unlike the UK citizen who has become apathetic about politics and doesn't see it as something that affects them. It does of course but they can't be bothered with it because they can't trust anything prospective candidates say, they've been lied to for so many years, unlike the new people who all think with one mind and put forward a representative of them and their beliefs.
Why has no one mentioned Kurt Vonnegut's great short story of about 70 years ago predicting imposed equality through use of handicaps imposed on individuals by a central government?
Orwell discusses the uppermiddle class self (English/British) deprecation in 'Road to Wigan Pier'
"Hatred of Western civilisation is dependent on Western civilisation." Fair enough. I'd also add how this started (for convenience's sake), around the time of the enlightenment, in a hatred for traditional Christianity, all the while being very much dependent on it. This is seldom appreciated by classical liberals.
Welcome to idiocracy
When we started trusting gender-swappers to give us our opinions, we were immediately screwed. It's over for normality until the war hits.
Lionel Thank you1
all by stealthy design. Ms Shriver... like a fine wine. kudos!
Britain is not a meritocracy: just look at our falling social mobility rates and the huge amount of research showing that parents' socio-economic status at birth has more impact on children's occupational outcomes than any other variable. That said, decreasing standards to allow less privileged people access to higher education or certain jobs is much less preferable than improving education and reducing poverty.
Love Lionel Shriver.
My first choice for fantasy dinner party guest. Be good to have Peter too along with Rod Liddle, Bill Bryson , Julie Burchill and Andrew Doyle.
JK Rowling has spoken out loudly.
Sure, right after supporting and promoting 90% of the madness 🙄
She got burnt with just one little thing
That's whatever get by tolerating evil and waking up too late, trying to put boarder and lines not to cross far too late , when you said "A" ....
JK Rowling ain’t drinkin the koolaid and we love her for that!
@@azimuth5620 You love her for her general bigotry.
@@opinion3742 I love that she doesn't throw around tired language like "bigot" to describe anything she doesn't agree with and because I am gay and she sees what we all see - that trans ideology is just the latest form of conversion therapy for young gay people. LGB✂TQ+
@@opinion3742saying that "trans women" are biologically different than women and therefore should not be in places like women's public showers and dressing rooms is not bigotry.
Excellent article, this Lady needs to be listened to..
Spent all evening on this. A great evening.
The problem isn’t that we have deprioritised meritocracy in favour of “identity politics”, it’s that we prioritise other identities interests over our own.
I just bought your new book, Lionel. Look forward to reading it. I hardly read any novels written after 2005
Socially regressive! Absolutely bang on!
Wow! How could I not have heard about this MAGNIFICENT AUTHOR? I write. But I have stopped reading any modern literature, because it is all the same; - it all reaks of poorly disguised Marxism as interpreted by an Idiot!
Thank you to The New Culture Forum for bringing this Author and her Books to my attention! 👍 Wonderful Discovery! 👍
What an incredible lady Lionel Shriver is. Such wisdom and truth.
Why is the UK's percentage share of global income and global wealth dropping rapidly? Why does the UK have less than 2/3rds of US per capita income and a lower per capita income than African Americans and South Korea?
Why is Labour likely to win in a landslide when Labour might reduce UK per capita income to less than that of Malaysia?
Reform NEEDS Farage!
I’m a massive fan of LS. Mania is excellent. Funny as well as very dark and uncomfortable given the current climate. I wondered how the book would end and was not at all disappointed. She understands so well the likely implications of such trends.
Can’t wait for her next offering.
We Need to Talk About Feminism
Men are better at feminism than women these days. All these blokes keep winning women of the year and miss beauty pagents 😂
Lol
We really do. The marxist-feminist threat has gone unchallenged for far too long.
@@ibexdnb2879 How many of these 'blokes' are winning these competitions? Put a number on it please.
@@ibexdnb2879 We need to talk about bigotry
many, many years go was reading a biography of Maria Von Trapp (of Sound of Music fame. You can see how long ago it was). At one point, she said "you never realize how much you love your country until it's gone." That has always stayed with me.
Our patriotism came for a long time from winning the last war. But if you are going to denigrate men and above all, the working classes, then you also denigrate the soldiers who won it for us.
We have also denigrated the idea of strategy...military and otherwise. Because we believe in this magical "love and peace."
In middle school we read Harrison Bergeron. Shriver's book reminded me instantly of it.
Great to have Lionel on the show again. Tells it like it is, and always a good listen.
"the conceit that they can opt out" great point
I think many in the global woke have a huge amount of self hatred and despise their families, communities, culture and nation. They don't fully opt out.
Many woke people are suicidal or borderline suicidal.
I want to see 🇬🇧 🏴 flags. As a drone pilot hobbyist, it’s nice to be able to upload some photos and videos to drone groups and have people around the world say “ohhhh, England!! 💂”
One major problem, as these two touch on, is we are no longer permitted to analyse feminine hysteria.
You need to ask yourself....do you always need to ask for permission 🤔 Are you a responsible adult or a child?!
I ws staggered to discover the other day that the Greek root of hysteria, hystera, simply means uterus.
The feminism cancer is to blame. Women are no longer responsible for their dreadful behaviour. Equality = accountability
Sure you are, just first you need to dress up as a woman for 3 months and change your pronouns.
@@annapachaclarke2392 Jeez. Relax won't you! I meant societally - one of the first 'feminist' attacks on psychoanalysis was the attempt to degrade Freud and others for their thinking on hysteria as related to women. I could say your response is a little hysterical!
A brilliant and interesting idea.. This is already where we are going with social justice. Very forward thinking of Lionel. Thank you 🙏
If I had anything like the talent or reach of this lady, I would be using it in exactly the same way.
Fascinating conversation! Always good to hear from Lionel and Peter. Thanks.
Will get her new book.
Fantastic interview. Regarding the final segment discussing plays/films addressing migration issues, I'd recommend watching The Street. It's based in London and mainly showcases the impact of gentrification in Hoxton, however it is closely linked to this issue. Whether it's boujie international hipsters of lower class migrants impacting settle communities, it is all profoundly damaging and plain to see now.
Writers and comedians seem to be our last line of defence. Thank god for entertainers like Lionel schriver for helping shine a light on this bizarre religion
A very bright and interesting lady
Very candid discussion with Lionel Shriver....she says what the silenced majority in our countries today can not say...cheers to her and thank you Peter Whittle for speaking with her!
Vulnerable is the get out of jail free card.
Some people even work harder than others in order to improve. Shame on them!
"Envy was once considered to be one of the seven deadly sins before it became one of the most admired under it's new name, "social justice."
Thomas Sowell.
So interesting - I can remember the 60s too. It only affected a small minority.
If you can remember the 60s, you weren't there.
@@manchegocheese997pardon?
@@manchegocheese997 I was there.
@@manchegocheese997 Only the elite and the ignorant say that.......the rock stars, the fashionistas, some feted photographers, movie makers etc. The ordinary folk lived ordinary lives which didn't include getting off their faces on drugs and drink. They were too busy trying to keep body and soul together working in hell-holes on a pittance of a wage.
The woke cartoon representation of "equity" is giving a short person a box to stand on so that he can see as far as a tall person. A realistic cartoon would show the short person stood next to a tall person who's had his legs chopped off.
I’m definitely going to pick up this book.
People are programmable - their brains get rewired.
Yes, and you are a prime example of that no doubt.
Why else does fashion in thought, dress, music, etc exist? People are not the rational beings they imagine themselves to be - hence the insanity of BLM and the "Transgender" movement etc, in which people will eagerly denounce and fire from their jobs anyone pointing out that "All lives matter", and willingly destroy the lives of impressionable people through grotesque mutilation. Now anti-Semitism is the height of fashion once more - try not to join in.
Great choice of guest.
I'd rather live among incompetent members of my own people than excellent and competent imported strangers. This whole thing is folly.
To a degree, yes. Because if ever lines were drawn. Your well educated muslim doctor neighbour would not in amillion years join you on your side if the barrier.
Most (or many) people I know have taken the stance to stop watching, reading or celebrating anything where thy smell woke. If the only groups that matter are the so called opressed and marginalised then they can be the consumers of that. It is so obvious in movies adverts and series where a woke scene or character is thrown in just to tick a box. I was watching In the Mand of Saints & Sinners set in 1974 rural Ireland and I thought well surely they cant cast POC IRA members or something but sure enough sooner or later a character or scene competely unrelated to the story pops up. Its very easy to spot now that we even wait for the scene and character to appear. Most series are so stupid they now announce it as if it adds to the reason to wacth it e.g. Wolf Hall. Even the recent film Civil War is littered with it yet the sales trailer stuck to one character that was only in the film for 4 minutes to dupe you into thinking what the film was about when it wasnt
I saw an excerpt from "Eastenders" where the vaccine was being pushed and the "anti-vaccer" ridiculed. "So, Dot, you're an epidemiologist now, are we".
Damn the BBC.
Ok. I’m in. Just bought the audio version.
John Steinbeck's novel The Grapes of Wrath was a controversial book which was fashioned on migration, albeit domestic migration in the US, that did not have a happy ending. Fast forward a century and Lionel Shriver may have the next incarnation of The Grapes of Wrath.
Excellent thanks 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Most excellent conversation!
What a brilliant woman this is!!
All hail the honest novelist!!
This is a smart lady.