Has Identity Politics Done More Harm Than Good? - Lionel Shriver | Intelligence Squared
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- American author Lionel Shriver argues that, in the modern environment of identity politics, "prejudice translates into power”, and that identity politics has only done harm to our sense of self and social mobility.
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Lionel--a train to truth.
Devastatingly accurate
Yep.
Identity politics is inhumane
What an intelligent, eloquent woman 👏👏👏
One of the best 8 minutes of my life.
MUCH MORE HARM AS IT HAS DISTRACTED FROM PRIORITY PROBLEMS IN SOCIETY
I for one like her rendition with no apologies! Short, sweet and to the point.
What good has identity politics even done?
Depends on who you ask, ofc.
Provide jobs for the race hustlers
Zero. Zilch. Nada.
Oh make this woman President of the world!! She’s SUPERB!👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
Refreshing.
I'm a big fan of Lionel Shriver and that short, concise and humorous take on the poison othat is identity politics is one of the reasons why.
Brilliant.
It does seem like some people have trained themselves to actively seek to interpret almost anything as an opportunity to be offended and be a victim. There is an attribution effect to this sort of thinking; meaning something adverse happens and the issue is to what does one attribute the outcome - example one applies for a job and does not get it and one attributes the reason for not getting the job offer to racism, etc. when that may have nothing at all to do with the result. Perhaps there was just a better more experienced candidate.
Yes!
YES
All beautiful until one starts changing the meaning of words!
We get what we are ignorant of!
This is what conservatives have been saying for a long time.
I would like you to invite 2 religious advocators of different religion and let the audiances choose
I choose Satan
@@saymyname8925 its your choice
Sycophant is the Identity of all in these times of changing meaning’s of Words
This is from a while ago isn't it?
Identity is ego based.
The Rise it was designed
they seem to take care very effectively to show the black guy in the same frame as her telling a lot of truth probably unpleasant to him...and seeing his nervosity, she totally makes her point valid...he is piss off because nobody challenge him anymore in this media landscape...and the filmmaker take a stand
Define “Race?” Please. Where are the Humans Racing to ???
The Germans don’t know their history either
I don’t appreciate when any side of a debate uses a straw man argument. “These people are like this.”
We need to do better than this.
Learned enslavement
this is really old... why on earth re-post a clip from a video that is years old and don't include the date??
Because it remains a relevant as ever.
@@SirAntoniousBlock ok granted, but at least put the darn date. I thought it was new content. Grr
@@just_another32 There is nothing new under the sun.
@@SirAntoniousBlock Why you even answering to a slow 🐌 OCD metal patient who can't get over the fact they didn't post a date ? 😂🤣😂🤣 Victoria is the type of girl that is a nightmare to date. Damn if you do, damn if you don't, nothing is ever pitch perfect in her mind. I thinks it's call BPD 😂🤣😂
@@dee_seejay Yes, that's it. Thank you
Has it done any good?
Identity politics has damaged the Left greatly, Marx said _'Workers of the world unite!'_ Not divide according the race gender and religion.
It is a divisive distraction to the only important subject, economic equality because economic equality is effect is racial equality gender equality and religious equality.
Marx? Equally poor you mean?
@@heyhorinshi How do know I'm talking about Karl and not Groucho?
A lot of assumptions
The victim identity is a game played by an infantile mind that has never grown up enough to take responsibility for its own life direction.
The history of Woman’s Movement is not accurately told!
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Lionel Shriver speaks progress and diminishes fallacies, but is still male
Wow, haw irrelevant.
Interesting, but I expect a more scholarly treatment
Yes. Identity politics across the world has done both good and bad. It has brought about great movements like the civil rights movement, feminist movements and the social justice movements against caste discrimination in India. But it also has brought about the rise of extreme right-wing politics, polarisation and communal hatred.
Racist minds are formed with identity being the first & foremost important thing to being a racist. I come from a mixed family, I have had racism in my life all my life. It has come from both ends of the racial world in America 🇺🇸 Trust me we have become more racist than in the 1920’s in 2023.
Sure, it's opinion not fact
like yours
@@pouetpouetdaddy5 one I'm entitled to hold & act on
Like yours too 😉 #AfterThought
I understand her feelings, but that’s all this speech is, and it leaves a terrible aftertaste. She frames the whole problematic badly; she does not even believe the idea that a group can be marginalized (note scare quotes at 1:47). To the point about fear of saying the wrong thing: that’s easy: educate yourself. Narcissist, willfully myopic (complete opposite of what a novelist should be). If she’s not a bigot, she’s stupefyingly undereducated and uninformed. Either way, it’s not intelligence, but as she suggested, insidiousness. Yes. Exactly.
To ignore the fact that identity politics emerged as an intellectual response to injustice is simply wrong.
Thank you. Sounds like social sciences don't exist for this lady, and there's no material inequalities behind it. It's not mainly an identity question, or a mere way to find a purpose - it's a way of living. It's a way of casting light on a collective experience that was not, after all, entirely individual. That's what she tackled herself when she evoked the relatively shared ambivalence towards motherhood. To a certain level, that was universal... But particularly relevant to women and mothers, as a collective experience. Of course, everybody strives to be an individual and to access dignity. But we don't meet the same interferences as groups. Maybe an author who met success too early can't really swallow that she was perhaps, particularly lucky to be granted enough advantages and support (by class, colour, education) to be much more confident in her own talent than many other women.
What you call injustice I call ressentiment. I can think of little more narcissistic than the demand that others treat a person's delusions as something that must be affirmed as "real" (whatever "real" is to the pomos and standpoint epistemologists).
@@michaelc9287 Hopeless.
@@marlenebouvet2403not a science at all more like a scam.
What Shriver has completely ignored is the intersectionality of race, sexuality and other identities with class (social economic position) and the power that comes with social position or privilege. This power is hugely hierarchical and intersects with other markers of identity, which coincide to keep specific groups of people predominately out of positions of political, economic, academic and social positions of power.
While her individualistic focus cuts off the importance of history augmenting intergenerational responsibilities invalid. She frames this as white privileged males being made to feel guilty for past crimes, such as colonial murder/genocide and decimation of cultures. However, this isn't about guilt, it is about having an honest reckoning with history, rather than saying because huge technological advancements were made through colonialism and colonial wars there should be no apology and acceptance of atrocities. Her position does not focus or cover the institutions and systems that caused these crimes against humanity, and how these institutions and systems function today to maintain power imbalances.
Yes 💯
Intersectionality is faith-based dogma that epitomizes the oppression Olympics of identity politics. The facts that "marginalized" groups are reduced to whining about "microaggressions," that various "marginalized" groups have MORE power and privilege in many contexts, etc. is proof enough that the high priestesses of identity politics are the sick, resentful doctors offering orgies of feeling to the sick masses.
You didn’t listen all all. You must be a college professor
I got 3 mins into it before I had to bail - anyone had the strength to watch further?
Yeah, I listened to the whole thing. I'm not threatened. Apparently you are.
@@malcolmdean2303 I bailed at 2 min. It just means I'm not willing to stand for total illogical BS, I guess u are, you judgemental 🍆 I bet her husband & you share the same qualities. 😂
why's that?
@@just_another32 Don't instigate, move on.
victimhood at his best, never able to listen others confronting opinions, they shouldn't exist for you...keep hearing your echo chamber
A textbook example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect. Shriver’s massive privilege prompts her to say “there is no privilege but victimhood”…
privileges she works for...what you've done beside ranting on social media? nothing...but use your victimhood who gives you the impression of being a better human being...and if you had listen more than 3 minutes ( and you take the right to comment without listening...such a woke trope) you would see that she recognize her privilege at the end
Dunning-Kruger Effect, a tenuous psycho babble rebuttal of people you disagree with.
Naa, too clever. Hear the message, stop hating the messenger.
No one cares about your attempts to sneak communism back into the mainstream. Keep your Hegelian dialectics to yourself.
She certainly does. Huge privilege and particularly for someone who confesses to have not lived in the US for most of her life, she has not seen the plight of many or the environment with which she professes to be an expert on.
The Germans don’t know their history either