Roland TD-27KV Review - 1st Look
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- I've never been a big fan of electronic drum kits. They always sounded "fake"...or so I thought. The last several years have seen some major changes to the way eDrums sound. As a result, I decided to jump in and test the water! This video is about my first impressions. You might be surprised!!
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Thank you, thank you. The only video I’ve found here that was not an over the top commercial advertisement as most others are. Very helpful comments. I’m upgrading from the most basic TD -11 to the TD-27, and can’t wait! Thanks again. Great playing BTW!
Hey man you're welcome! Glad you found it useful. I think overall you'll have a blast playing this kit, in spite of the flaws therein. And thanks for the compliment!
I have this exact Roland TD27KV. I had a Roland TD6 for years and this is a big upgrade. Once you dial in your own settings it’s awesome. I only use it at home and play a Tama Bubinga kit live but the transition from one to the other is seamless. Thoroughly recommend it.
I'm in the market for a new e-kit after 20+ years with another, so I've been doing my homework. I've watched countless video reviews, but none that were as brutally honest as this one. Thanks for an actually helpful review! Would love to get your take on the Alesis Strike Pro SE.
I really bought the Roland kit for recording, not live gigs. I wanted something that wouldn't take up a lot of space in my studio, and it seemed like the Roland kit was the better choice. Plus, I can do a direct multi-track recording over USB into Logic...in other words, the Roland TD27 Module can be an audio interface. The Alesis module only has direct analog outputs, so you'll use up a lot of inputs on your interface. However, I totally like the look of the Alesis kit better, and from what I've seen on YT it also sounds really good. I don't think one kit is better than the other..it really comes down to what you're needs are. Roland has the edge for recording, while the Alesis kit seems to be a better choice for live gigs. Plus the Alesis kit is significantly less expensive!
The kit at 2:00 is that acoustic or the TD 27?
awesome review. i'm a beginner at drumming. been playing guitar my whole life, and always liked playing my friends drum, so this year i started with lessons and i'm improving a lot already!
i plan to buy one of this to play in my house without bothering the neighbours too much, and also to be able te record them easily and maybe make some full instrument covers with this included.
the price is very high, especially where i live... but i'm sure it's not quite easy to build or transport so i guess it's kinda fair.
you are an amazing player, hope to see more from you playing this kit, for inspiration!
I'm learning the guitar asa total beginner. I'd say the guitar is much more difficult in the beginnigng than drums!! Thanks for the compliment! I did create a follow-up video that you can check out: th-cam.com/video/DoCmXeP8hGU/w-d-xo.html
This seems like an honest review and was very informative for me.
Glad it was helpful!
I felt like I just watched Marc Maron give a drum review. This was EXTREMELY helpful. I'm a lifelong acoustic drummer and technological luddite who wants it to work as I want it to, right out of the box... but I'm considering getting these as well. Many thanks!!!
Lol, Marc Maron. Love that comparison.
Great review. I have been wanting an e-kit for awhile. I currently have a dw Collector's Series and a Ludwig Classic Maple Downbeat kit set up. God I love both of these kits, but there are times when I need to minimize my audio presence in the house (and neighborhood) if you know what I mean. "It's midnight and I have my headphones. EVERYONE is happy!" The Roland TD-27KV kit seems like the perfect solution. Again, thank you for your honest review!
Hey sorry for delayed response! Yes the redued-noise factor is a significant plus, but you should be aware that they do make some noise.....as in stick-hitting-pad noise. That alone can be quite annoying. Then there's the vibrations, which travel through walls and such. Just something to be aware of. Thanks for the comment!
If noise constraints are a problem do not hesitate to try eDrums. I played acoustic for 40 years before trying them and they are a blast. Roland stuff is expensive but well built. I bought all of my Roland stuff used and it still functions very well.
always funny to read these roland comments. "they hold their value!!" and "always buy second hand!!" are the 2 main comments you see over and over again.
All the roland sets on ebay right now would cost me £100 in travel costs to pick up! and are all like £100-150 less than buying new anyway hah.
This is the best review of this kit I have seen. 100% serious. Its like you are actually reviewing the kit and explaining things instead of telling me its the most amazing thing ever created in hope that roland will see it and send you some sticks or something.
That said, I actually ordered a VAD 506 for two reasons and you hit on a few of them.
1: VAD doesn't have a rack, and I hate drum racks.
2: I really like the idea of the digital ride, snare and the module being able to multitrack record out.
3: Your hihat concerns are valid but to me the worst part is they are small, so I went all out and ordered the VH14
Anyway, its on backorder and i should have it next week or week after
Oh, and about the price, I could have sound proofed a room and got a high end acoustic kit for the same price, the Roland markup is real, but this is my once in a lifetime major purchase so .... well, it better be worth it.
Thanks for your feedback! Yea sucking up to Roland wasn't even on my radar. I don't trust anyone who has any sort of "relationship" with the company who''s product they're reviewing, even when they admit that fact up front....as if that somehow shows they're being objective.
As far as the multitrack thing, just be aware that when Roland says the TD27 module can output 28 tracks of audio, they really mean 14 STEREO tracks. And these tracks cannot be output as mono. To me that's misleading to the point of being dishonest. I don't even see why individual drums or cymbals need to be output in stereo to begin with!
Now that I've had the chance to mess with the HH settings, I'm still not happy with the response. I really don't mind the smaller size, but the amount of misfires and general lack-of-response when hitting the pad on the edge is downright annoying, and I have yet to figure out how to improve on that....as in I don't think you can! I'd love to hear what your experience is, so please let me know in the comments when you get your kit!
I think eDrums are here to stay, so the VAD concept seems like the next logical step. Overall I think you'll be pleased with the sounds and versatility of the TD27 module, and as I said in the video, the cymbals.....especially the ride cymbal, are really impressive! Ditto the snare!
Good luck with your new kit!
It would be interesting to hear your opinion on the new digital hi-hat.
I played my acoustic kit for years and was apprehensive to even consider an electronic kit but when I did yeah it did take some time to get into but once I started to realize that a lot of my energy I could conserve because I was not striking the heads as hard and smashing symbols so it became more of a finesse thing for me after a while but it's a lot of fun I enjoy playing electronic I will not go back to an acoustic kit there's no reason for me to I get everything I need out of electronic kit it's the pros versus the cons and the pros are a lot more than having an ol' acoustic kit lov the tech you get from a electronic kit
Can you say "run-on sentence"? Agreed, they really are a lot of fun!
Great review. With the 3500 dollar price point, you gotta take into consider the 27 individual tracks through usb. I cant tell you how much money i would have saved if something like that was available 10 years ago with the drums, interface, microphones etc i have bought
Good honest opinion, and cool playing. I’ve got the TD-17KVX now (which I love) and I’m saving up for the 27KV, so this video was very encouraging for me. Many Thanks!✊
So glad you found it helpful! I think the TD27 brain is a good combination of programmability vs using the built-in sounds out of the box. Still too expensive, but compared to the TD50 a bargain!
Good review man, you actually gave me clarity. I’m not spending 3500 just for 2 digital pads. That is SO much money and I simply can’t afford it. I’ll go with the td 17 kvx and maybe upgrade in a couple years. I’m curious to know what you think about the kit when paired with superior drummer or ez drummer 3. That’s what I plan on doing. My hope is it’ll be good enough to record with but I’m starting to think I’ll always need to record acoustic drums for final takes. 😔
hey man, good timing. im just about to get the 17kvx myself. seems like the best for mid line kits. I will be pairing it with addictive drums but for recording. I dont mind the brain kits when im just jamming by myself. overall the 17kvx seems like a great package for the price, although having to buy a hit stand and a kick pedal drives the price a bit. have you gotten yours yet? ive always been able to pull an amazing sound on the DAW but think the latency would be too much for live playing
I haven’t gotten mine yet, but I’ve actually done a complete 180. I found some videos that highlighted what positional sensing can do within superior drummer and I know I’d be let down if i couldn’t use it. So I’m getting the td 27 kv as soon as I move to my new apartment in a few weeks.
@@flipnap2112 I’m not sure about the latency but from everything I’ve read and watched I don’t think it’s an issue with vsts/you can adjust stuff to make latency minimal. That’d be sweet to use superior drummer at a live show, I don’t see why latency would be any higher than if in the studio.
@@flipnap2112 I’m actually quite confident latency is a non issue, just watch drum Tec and other vsts triggered with e kit videos
@@mitchmcturtle6890 oh interesting! I was eyeballing that kit as well but its another 1600 bucks. worth it but I dont have that much. digital seems to be the way to go for sure, its the future of edrums. positional snare is super rad without a doubt. the VST issue would be from the DAW. theres always about a 5ms or so and im not sure theres a way around that. man good luck on the swap out. prismatic modeling is tight! good luck brother
SUPER helpful review! I am seriously on the fence about buying these & your review helped me. Still on the fence, but with your friendly opinion nestled comfortably in my head now it gives me some important things to consider! I do see where this setup sells for around $2,600, seems a bit more reasonable, but still pricey. (curious what your thoughts are on that price vs $1k more?) I'm fairly illiterate at anything programming related, so i am very apprehensive & intimidated about taking the leap into edrums. & ALL THOSE WIRES! My god why hasn't one of these companies invented either wireless (Bluetooth?) so there is NO pad/cymbal wires OR hide all the wiring inside the tube rack with jacks on the frame to simply plug a short 6" cable from the tom or a 24" cable from the cymbal into?? Motorcycles have all the lighting wires hidden in the tube frame, why not edrum wires?! Anyway, I'm very appreciative of your review, it's exactly what I was looking for. & your drumming: really sharp my friend. (I think you made those edrums sound far better than you even realize!)
First of all thanks for your kind words! As far as the price: I found out there was a price drop but didn't realize you could buy this kit for $2600. That's definitely more reasonable, relative to the retail price when I bought them. But again, value is a personal thing....only you can decide if $2600 is worth it. I don't know if you're aware, but Roland just bought DW Drums, and introduced.....wait for it.....WIRELESS eDrums! Of course, no indication as to the price or when they'll be available beyond "2023". They unveiled a "sort-of" hybrid kit: acoustic shells that allow you to interchange mesh heads and WIRELESS(!) triggers vs real drum heads that convert the kit to total acoustic....but not both simultaneously, so it's either-or. Not really sure how practical that will be. Since Roland did not release any details beyond developing wireless triggers, I don't know what to think about all this. I know many drummers aren't too keen on the "aesthetics" of eDrum pads, hence the latest crop of eDrums that look like acoustic drums. I don't really care that much, but then again I have yet to use my TD27kv live. BTW I created a follow-up video that may interest you: th-cam.com/video/DoCmXeP8hGU/w-d-xo.html. Anyway, thanks for the comment!
Bluetooth adds whats called latency meaning your sounds and playing arent in sync. You hit a note and its delayed from your actual strike. Some of the Roland racks have internal cabling.
The price is whats keeping me back and that high hat. Get it together Roland. You’re not quite there yet.
Have you tried the Efnote 3X....if not please do and give your thoughts....I am between the TD-27-KV2 and the 3X for smaller venues where space and loudness are an issue....the 3X is better price but the TD-27-KV2 has way more adjustments on the head unit......so I'm really looking for the best basic sound and playability for the price....
I was only able to review the Roland kit because I bought it. I can't try the EFNOTE 3X unless I were to buy that kit too.
THANKS!
You're welcome!
I can’t decide between the td 17 or td 27. I’m very dedicated to music/drumming and am willing to go all out because I want to record with these, but I definitely can’t afford these and would have to go into debt. Is positional sensing that massive of an upgrade or should I just go with the 17 and save up for the 27 later. It’s been years since I’ve had a drum set to play so waiting longer isn’t an option, I need a kit NOW lol
Also, are these even good enough to record “final takes” with? Because if not I’ll just get the 17 to practice on and record demos with and still record my acoustic kit.
Either way i recommend to try recording with a VST like ezdrummer, addictive drums, or others, they sounds gets really realistic for recordings
Although my main instrument is the bass guitar, I got the TD27-KV2 just as it came out, in fact I had already ordered the TD27-KV1 but added another £350.00 and changed the order. I However realised that for £1500.00 less the TD17KV1 and 2 do exactly the same thing with some minor losses in flexibility. The only difference between the two models was my Ego!
I see this is a year old, so assuming you figured out where all the settings are since everything mentioned is very tweak able. The 27KV2 is my 3rd set, and 2nd Roland. Great value for the money since it's very close to the TD50 which is much more expensive.
Agreed. and yes, I have been able to figure out how to customize the available settings to my liking. The v2 kit has the digital hats....sold separately for $1149. If they weren't so expensive I'd be checking them out. The Lemon hats are serviceable though....more playable than the VH-10 that came with my kit.
Please answer me a question. I have to choose between roland td30 or roland 27 kv2. Which do you think is better?
I'm so sorry but I'm not familiar with the TD30 so can't really comment. All I know about the TD30 is that it's been discontinued. That may be a factor in your decision?
You can turn the edge trigger/rim trigger gain and sensitivity up
Dude I've done all of that and more. I pretty confident I've got the HH about as good as it can get. I've long since gotten used to the limitations so I can adjust my playing accordingly. Not ideal but I can live with it.
Roland’s are the best in quality of any brand out there You can tweak and perfect them or down load other drum set sounds you want You can do so much with this module the triggers are the best in the market along with that snare and ride cymbal You can get digital hi hats that Roland had now if you need them but for me this set is great and I love them
Except the hi-hats....they suck. :) And yea, if you are willing to spend $1200 more you can get better hats! You left that part out. But hey....I'm glad you love your kit! That's really all that matters Thanks for your comment!
Review your squeaky drum throne 😏
Great video. I’m not a big E Drum fan and also not happy with price and the need to work on adjustment to get dynamics of n pads on any e kit played.
This is the kit I would invest in if the price was right. But to get into a good e kit you have to pay 3500 or more.
Thanks for the comment! FYI after reading the manual and messing with the adjustments, I'm not anywhere near happy with the HH response. So frustrating!
@@thecreativedrummer5546 im sure you know more than I do about that, but ive heard some people mention you have to calibrate it carefully.
Hello, I accidentally lost the spring from the hi-hat mechanism. I thought I would have to buy a new one and was kind of annoyed at myself, but for the time being until I could order one and have it sent I'll just have to put the hat pad back on and see what I can do with it. It works way better and the action is basically perfect. Hope that helps.
looks like you might have the hi-hat rotated wrongly. Make sure the Roland logo is farthest from you and try the response again.
I have this kit and I didn't like the kick pad also.
I upgraded kick pad KD120. KD-120 is way way better.
High hat is so so.
I am thinking upgrading high hat also but too expensive $1200 VH-14D. Waiting until price go down around $500. hahaha! Great review! Thank you!
I converted a 16x16 floor tom to an ekick drum using the OVAL trigger and a mesh head. Much better!! Thanks for the comment!
Pretty funny - you mentioned you wanted to get the bad stuff out of the way and end on a high note, but the chapter headings are "Things I don't like" and "Negatives"
Busted. 😁
I could definitely hear the ghost notes on the ride?
??? Are you talking about the specific spot where I solo'd the ride cymbal track, or in general?
@@thecreativedrummer5546 overall I could hear it
@@graykekoadrumz I was specifically referring to one instance where the ghost notes did not get recorded. I double checked the ride cymbal audio track and they definitely didn’t. However, that only happened once and overall the ride cymbal works great. I haven’t had that issue happen again. Weird….
not a fan but you do them justice
Haha.....yea Ricky I figured you'd react that way! :) I was hoping they'd go away, but in the end I caved. I can see some real-world uses; practicing quietly, band rehearsals, recording, to name a few. I can even see using them on a gig.....but only if there's a killer PA + monitor system involved. The bottom line is they're pretty fun to play, and they aren'g going away anytime soon. They'll never replace the real thing though, at least not in our lifetime. Of that I'm certain!
Man... you gotta fix that sweeky chair!!!
Oh well...
Those toms really do sound terrible. I might get this kit and run Superior drummer 3
Real drums huh…. Funny.
Don't use the phrase "real drums" So you think a Fender Strat isn't a real guitar ? Its acoustic drums and electronic drums please
BUSTED! I happen to agree with you. Words matter! Using "real" drums would imply edrums were "fake" drums. Wait....but they are! They are literally fake drums!! OK I'm just kidding with you. One thing I've learned after spending many hours behind the TD27 kit is that edrums must be approached as such. Your point about electric vs acoustic guitar is spot on. Electronic drums are a different beast, and it's up to the musician to discover creative ways to use them. That's one of the main reasons I was willing to spend such an obscene amount on these things.🙂Anyway, thanks for your comment!
Appreciate your reply I have a TD27 kit which I gig on a regular basis No longer a fan of acoustic drums but good to hear your views Thank you