@@black_thunder2159 Radar slaving wouldnt have done anything there. It was clearly tracking the right target initially, and IR missiles dont care what you do at all after they are off the rails. Its really just f14 being hot AF and crossing in front of the original target. Spit didnt really do anything wrong there, especially since the f14 wasn't anywhere near his target when he fired. Just a case of shit luck or unfortunate circumstance.
@@black_thunder2159 That's why I called it an R-60M, the missile was tracking the enemy at first but then switched targets. R-60Ms will always go after the hottest target while the Aim-9L tends to stick to the intended target.
IRL the AIM-7M's upgrades over the 7F lies in its monopulse tracking system, think of it as a 7F but with smarter brains. Have no idea if that difference is even modelled in game though
Its interesting how I can agree with pretty much everything you say, and then you call having flares vs. not having flares a "minimal difference" in the 10.7-BR.. Whatever you smoked before recording it must have been real good :)
while it does make a difference in ease of survivability… both jets are just as capable of bagging kills as each other. There’s also precedent for vehicles in a similar situation being at the same BR. The Mirage IIIE and C are both 10.3 with the only real difference being flares and weight.
@@OtterMusician J35D only carries 2 9Js whilst the XS carries 6. That's a pretty significant difference in kill potential, especially when the guns on both of them are hot shit since they lost their tracers. Viggen's is useable since it has high velocity, low drop and high damage, whereas the ADENs on the Drakens are slow, high drop and love to spark
Ok I feel like I need to address this. In the context of the 20-odd seconds around this comment I make it clear that we currently lack the spacing of BRs to distinguish differences such as flares/no flares. This is also apparent with the Mirage IIIs. In the grand scheme of the game (ie, 12 BRs and a vast array of planes, it seems to be such that flares comprise of a “minute difference” in the overall capability of an aircraft to get kills and win matches and that difference is unable to constitute much in the way of BR separation. I clearly state that flares are definitely useful and they are especially at 10.7 but in context this should be understandable as nothing but a small differentiation in the design of the aircraft, or perhaps some comedic hyperbole rather than a statement on the capability of either aircraft.
5:20 THANK YOU, you're one of the first people I've seen use the HMS in the MiG-29 properly with free look to launch a 27T. About time, these things have been out like a month. Also personally the J-35D at 10.3 so long as the 21MF and SMT are there is fine with me. They've always been comparable planes but now the 35D doesn't have flares like the 21's do. It should at least be the same BR. It's flight performance doesn't make up for not having flares. That's why the XS is so good even though it only has 12 total flares/CM's.
We really need separate Ground and Air realistic BR for planes. I understand the issue of A-10/SU-25 (although always only when I play against them, mine is never OP :D ) but any movement of these planes from where they sit pretty much damages the Ground line-ups they are based around - especially the Gold standard of USSR 9.7
@@cammarlow3951 Oh sure it could, but then the marketing pitch is gone for Gaijin. This way there are 3 solid vehicles, same BR, all purchasable and "under 10.0"
@@cammarlow3951 And similar thing would be with the A-10, at least perception wise. Now it is matched with the first Abrams, so it shows as a milestone and gets people in. Would it not work at 10.3? Sure would. 10.7? Most likely. Then there is the careful balance of enjoyment of playing those planes vs playing against them - from being completely powerless with many gun SPAA being Mavericked from beyond your range on one side, to being shot down by beam-riding AA missile without getting a single radar warning, 8km out. Bottom line is, I understand the things are more of an issue in Air RB because they are truly disrupting, but frankly not as impactful in ground - here I think Helis are bigger issue.
Doesn't matter...Sabres are other subsonics are still facing all aspect missiles and supersonics. And ww2 heavy tanks are still getting insta penned by heatfs lobbing cold war tanks
I was so happy to see that my F4F wasn't gonna get shafted by 4th gens too much anymore, though I was disappointed as to how the su22 stayed on the same BR. Oh well, can't have everything.
As a person who plays the Starfighters in Italy a lot, I say that we need 12.3, the F-104S's are not capable enough against the higher tier vehicles. But giving them a down tier would make them unbalanced being able to meet 9.7 planes.
I think there is still issues at the o Low end of the jet BRs. Mainly everything from 7.7 to 8.7. Depending on what line in a tree you a grinding the first jets you start with are 8.3. In my case my first jet was the f2h. And immediately I was thrown into a situation where I could not learn how to fly a jet because I didn't have an opportunity to learn energy for jets. I just needed to turn a pull hard to dodge Aim9Bs. Fortunately I learned because I did out side research and got some tips. I now am playing the Japanese Saber at 8.7 and it is a complete pain trying to fight mig21 and 23s. I have to fight the yak 38's missles and the su-25k. It is a struggle. I can manage but for a new player I don't think they really can.
Skill issue on yak38 and mig21. Tho the su25s i can understand. And no offense. Literally 95% of players are on the same skill as you currently are on. But generally it is a very beginner unfriendly game. I recommend you just start doing 1v1s to maybe get a basic grasp on how to dogfight. And that in turn means you get to live longer as you will start understanding how to dodge guns better. Where to turn. But mig21s and yak38s arent really an issue for me personally. Even if i sit in an f35 sabre. The actual problem with these aircraft comes from them just decimating half your team within 20 seconds. And then you die as a result of your team being gone.
First thing I do when a new plane is available for research is to test drive it. See if I like it. If I do I dedicate quite a bit of time to practicing with it in test drive before I unlock it. Then once I have it I take it into test drive mission editor and spend a few hours doing head to head with AI to get a handle on it before I ever take it into matchmaking Rule #1 of War Thunder: Know your aircraft(what it’s capable of and being able to use it)
@@SPFLDAngler you know you can also just go to custom games man.... there you actually learn how to handle ur aircraft. All u need to do is ask for a 1v1
@@thunderousavenger2382 I have had countless games were those R-60 destroy the game. I have had multiple matches where I am even more than 5km away heading to base and right as I menuver to line up on the airfield. Boom R-60 that was stealth launched. I can handle myself I a dog fight in most case. But I can't stick to one with r-60s around.
I really don't think right now my issue is how to fly that Japanese f-86f-30. I have a positive KD and an ok win rate. But every bad match I have has the same things in common. Missles that are just not defeatable or aircraft that have every performance advantage over me. It is so hard forcing a miss play and capitalizing on it when there is that large of a discrepancy when It comes to performance.
BR decompression my ass,J-7D sees F16/MiG29 just as much as it did before,I challenge you to play 10 J-7D/F104S games and count the full uptier to downtier ratio.
I recently got the SU 25 for 50% off (I know, people will hate me for that but I need to grind), and I completely agree with it being 10.0. I get like 3 kills per match, sometimes more, as well as a base and 10 to 20 ground targets... it's an insane plane at that BR.
It should be probably 10.3 you get 2 free kills with missiles and guns are really good and literally nobody uses it as a strike aircraft everyone just uses it As a fighter
The f4j and the viggen is not the same. The viggen gets two radar missiles and to aim 9 j meanwhile the f4j gets eight radas missiles and 4 aim 9 g so a total of 12 missiles versus 6
I agree the F14 should be 12.0. 10.0 may still get stomped by 11.0 but it may not be that bad but then again it's a shitload of premium spam at that BR.
I was close to starting the f14 grind and now I’ve got to get the f3d to a10 late to actually unlock rank 8 aircraft. Timing of these changes was so damn unlucky for me, not to mention the fact half of these changes are crap
A lot of these rely on the whole "it has aim-9L's" reason and that gives quite a bit of reason but I think flight performance and potential of a vehicle is more important. Because when everyone is empty and missiles are done and wasted the only reason I'm getting 5 kills every game compared to any other A-10 is knowing how to trap jets and aim the hardest hitting gun. It needs to go up but because of a load of reasons not just missiles.
I have many matches in A-6E when I just losing all my AIM-9L's 'coz everybody know how to avoid them with flares. I can partially agree to put all AIM-9L jets to at least 10.3 but what does it change? There are many jets with no countermeasures at 9.3-9.7 BR, and even some at 10.0-10.3.
I don't know if i'm saying a no sense, but i feel like the f104 could stay at 10.0/10.3, but they need countermeasures. The flight permormance are ok, missile are shit but you can make them work. Under 10.0 is bullshot, but to be enjoyable over 10, they need something to not die the second an A5 send a magic, or whatever missile is sent.
Having played the F-104A and C, they were perfectly fine at 9.7 - the only problems they face is the high G and all aspect missiles and that's the fault of the missile carriers, and not a reason for the F-104s to go down
@@pincopallinogek6032 fair fair, they're not too difficult to avoid if you're paying maximum attention but on average yeah they just come out of nowhere
@@splabooshkey3343 the problem isn’t that you can’t avoid them, it’s that if you stay high/far enough away, you can’t do anything. Can’t kill anyone, can’t groundpound, can’t effect the match in any way
I think being excited about these changes is the exact wrong move. Gaijin clearly doesn't want to decompress the MM. They essentially gave us an extremely milquetoast version of what we want so that they can say they did it without actually doing anything. They literally raised the ceiling by the absolute smallest amount possible, while not addressing anything like A-10/SU-25, SU-11, or any of the other blatantly overpowered planes. By hyping this up you are validating this strategy. We should have had 12.0 when the phantoms were added. Hell maybe even sooner with the F-100s. Instead we're getting it a month after they just added the F-16 and Mig-29. We should be calling Gaijin's bluff and demanding more.
19:20 do you mean coil whine? if so thats normal for high power systems like the 4090. Really the only way to minimise it is to put a FPS cap and undervolt the GPU.
F8E Crusader needs no relief. I knock out top-tier jets with it regularly. It can dogfight anything near or above it's tier and can dodge any missile, and it's cannons are potent enough to side shoot tanks.
@@kamoinar1905 only if you fly realistic. the crusader is still in my top tier lineup for arcade. always feels good to shoot down a jet that was made 20+ years after yours was.
The FW-190 A5/U2 going down to 4.0? I think I remember either the U12 or U2 having oddly good flight performance for the br. I assume that's the U12 then.
Are you sure that Yak-38 is fine where it is? It has been recently buffed to have 4 (!!!!) R-60s, which devastate no-flare planes. Yes, not the all-aspect ones, but that doesn’t mean that R-60s aren’t op for 9.7 (or 9.3, can’t remember, sorry). Especially with great acceleration of the VTOL, you literally can’t outrun it in any subsonic, and even many supersonics like MiG-19S. Yeah, you can easily outturn the Yak, but if it just runs at high speeds, it can easily dodge the attacks since it got quite nice handling (not manoeuvrability, but handling), it also can bleed and gain speed pretty much on par with MiG-19s or even faster, and strapping R-60s to that… Yeah, that’s sub ideal to say the least. At least as far as I see. What do you think of it? Maybe you missed the 4 R-60s incident or something, but I really don’t think it deserves its place
The one that I can agree with is the J35D staying at 10.7. It outclasses just about every 10.3 in that BR range. They keep the F-104's at 10.7 that are slightly faster than it with around the same armament yet horrendous turn times. Most of the F-104's don't even have flares as well, and now its at the exact same tier as the F-1 which the only thing that can compare to it is its AIM-9P's.
Oh forgot to add that they change most aircraft with SARH missiles up 0.3 BR yet the F4E stays at 11.0. Which I can understand that it doesn't really stack up well against other top tier jets, but it absolutely slaps people who are at 10.7-10.0 since it still has AIM-7E-2's.
I don't necessarily think it should have gone down, but if the mig21 smt and mf are down at 10.3 so should the draken, its got competitive flight performance with them, worse missiles and no flares. I understand f104's generally get shafted, but also the people kinda have forgotten that the mig21's are down at 10.3 and arguably cause more damage than the draken being at 10.3. The way I see it is that the draken and the 21's should be at 10.7.
For strike aircraft like the a10, su25 and the a6e, they should either go up to atleast 10.7, or be stripped from air rb, as in air rb, they are 99% of the time, used as fighters due to their criminally undertiered missiles. When they were all designed for strike missions, not murdering the korean era aircraft. Aircraft like the harriers and the a5c and the yak38, all that needs doing is them going up 1 or 2 battle ratings, the yak38 can carry 4 r60s at 9.3 and that is in desperate need for change.
The F1c should not go to 11.7, the 530F supers are Pulse and are massively outclassed by CW missiles. They are not reliable enough vs F14,16s or Mig-29s in the way the 530D are. If the F1c got the 530D, sure maybe, but not with Fs.
The mirage 3c needs to move down to 10.0 it has no flares and is an alright dogfighter, the missiles can be compared with those of the f4c which is at 10.0. the plane is a terrible pain to grind with.
The issue is having magics at 10.0 is an issue, as seen with the A5C which needs to move up. I don’t wanna see 30G missiles below 10.3, which I already disagree with on the A5C, SU25, A10, A6E, etc.
@@miquelescribanoivars5049 I think it’s fine with magics, especially since for the longest time the IIIC was the only viable fighter in the French TT since they’d been so neglected. And it did perfectly fine until all aspects were added, cuz I can outplay someone with R60s by just not giving him my burner, but R60M and 9Ls don’t care so there’s no counter play
@@Northern00 I'm well aware of the background behind the addition of the Mirage III in WT (who could forget Dozer's seething?). But the point still stands, we should had gotten the IIIE w/ flares instead of the IIIC back then. The IIIC is a 1960 plane (think Lighting, early MiG-21's and F-104's) and giving it Magic's forced it into fighting much more modern planes with access to CM's and heavier missile loads. Removing the Magic's would help to fill the gap between 9.3 to 10.3 while also putting the plane in a much more leveled playing field.
@@miquelescribanoivars5049 I see what you’re saying now, I agree to a point. But honestly look at the Milan, it’s in the exact position you just described, but is better overall in terms of engine power and bombs, and it still gets FUCKED in the mm. So I don’t think your suggestion would fix anything, and may kill the IIIC even more.
I feel like 11.0 BR is too high for the F-104S TAF, you get AIM-9Ps but everyone else at 11.0 would have all-aspect 30g missiles. Maybe 10.7 was better for it. Idk. Can someone tell me why the BR was moved up? Was it doing too well at 10.7?
It got flares. The F-104S, when played right, has great flight performance. The flares gave it an extra edge. Originally, it was a struggle to run from all aspect 30g missiles because you didn't have the maneuverability to shake them and couldn't outrun them. It made the sacrifice for speed>maneuverability useless. With flares, you can shake those missiles easily, making the boom and zoom much harder to counter
Hey spitflyer, do you have any methods to calm your heart rate, after I broke my mouse trying to spade the f4e a few months ago I literally can't touch air rb without my heart spiking to all hell as soon as I spawn
imagine what would make you do if you'd play the F-4F.. used to be 11.0, constant uptiers and *no* sparrows nor 9L's Agile Eagle does literally nothing to help it, it's still an F-4 and loses a fuckton of speed and energy in a turn
they always do this a month or so after, but they only do it slightly. We needed 12.7 for a while already and the F-14 has been OP and needing to be 12.7 ever since it's introduction which was wayyyyyy too early
@@evo3s75 I don't even play anymore after 2016, I miss the 2012 simplicity. It's just ridiculous now. Gaijin have made so many bad decisions and preying upon the addictive nature of the game to keep people churning profits
Hi mate! Love watching your videos. I just got into WT back after 3 years. I am currently at the mig19pt. I can’t believe how hard it is to go to the next tier to mig21s. I find it so hard to fight aim 9s with my 19pt…not fun at all. I also wanted to buy a premium to help with my grind but there isn’t any soviet 9.3 or 9.7 with decent missiles. Any tips?
"A5-C is a ground attacker", yeah, sure mate, a modification of Mig19 is definitely a purpose built ground attacker. Just like 104S TAF, wonder why that thing didn't get a 11.3.
I quote from Wikipedia here: “The Nanchang Q-5 (Chinese: 强-5; pinyin: Qiang-5; NATO reporting name: Fantan), also known as the A-5 in its export versions, is a 1960s-design Chinese-built single-seat, twin jet engine ground-attack aircraft based on the Shenyang J-6. The aircraft is primarily used for close air support.”
@@Spitflyer Yes, and J-6 is a rebranded Mig19P. It's not correct to put it into the same context as A10 and Su25. Magic 1s (you have only 2 of them) are pretty flareable rn (if you flare them from over 700 meters) they are not full aspect, and their seeker isn't sensitive enough for 90 degree side aspect shot either (except, maybe phantoms). It inherited the great flight performance of Mig19, but due to added armor it loses energy below 0.8 mach faster, yet keeping turning circle small. Another problem it has - it's not that fast, 1260 kph IAS is the limit and you reach 1200 at the deck. Guns are from prop era, only 18 CMs (but actually you have to run chaff because you fight US 24/7 and at the altitude you often meet lads like F8, F4C's and MigS with R3s, so in practice you only have 9 pops). At this BR it's a very good plane, and even if you put it on 10.3 nothing would change cause in those almost 500 games I did during my recent Chinese tree grind, I got 9.0's less than ten times. Problem with 10.3 placement is.... something like F5-C, F8-U and F8-E (FR) those planes are just better aircrafts with more missiles, also, should I mention SMT and MF? Probably not. We need 13.0 BR ranges for Air RB. Early Starfighters at 9.3 is a joke too (what Mig15 should do against F104 lol), but they get sompletely obliterated by R60's at 9.7 and so on. "Conservative" and "patient" gameplay can get you more kills, but you won't influence the outcome of the most the games, just because how these BRs are played rn (you can't be aggressive). All-aspect missiles at this low BR completely changed the matches + most of them belong to aircrafts theat can be obtained via donation, also try to flare 9L in A5-C in rear aspect, also caged 9D's are kinda scary rn. All of that combined it why I think 10.0 is a perfect BR for that aircraft 9.3 flight performance with 10.7 missiles and weird guns.
Gaijin needs to fix its naming because it’s misleading, there is no F-14 early or late, F-14A is one aircraft, the block system was not used with the F-14. Regardless of it gets 9Ls it needs to be moved up to the top
@@NGC2419- Let me explain it to you. The F14A Early has the wing inlets. It also does not have AIM9Ls, and that small pod thing on the nose. The F14A Late should get 9Ls, no wing inlets, and that small pod thing.
The J35D should be att 10.3. Its a straight downgrade from the Saab 35FS having two less missiles, so CMs and no IRST just to name the biggest differences. And keep in mind that the Mig-21Smt and MF sits at 10.3 with 30g r60s, CMs and decent flight performance.
I have a question. I was researching the f14 before it got moved to tier 8. I don't have tier 8 unlocked. Will I be able to purchase the f14 once I research it?
I agree with most things, but not on your opinion to the J35D going down and that the JA37C should go up. You said, that the Draken shouldn't fight 9.3s, which I totally agree with, however at this BR you realy rarely get downtiers. It faces all-aspect dogfighting missiles all the times, atleast it doesn't have to fight good radar missiles now. You also said, that the Viggen should go up, however it currently has really bad armament compared to its enemys. Aim 9Js are truly underwhelming, Aim 7E2s are bad and don't like to track anymore (they miss easy head-ons in 50% of all times), its radar likes to lock onto chaff in PD mode since the last update and it has less countermeasures compared to its enemys. Also you where talking about the F-4EJ Kai and said that it has good Aim 7E2 Dogfight missiles, however the RJ Kai only has 7Es and 7Fs, so I assume you were talking about the 7Fs?
the F-4F is exactly where it belongs. AIM-9Js are honestly quite terrible for today's standards(against R-60s, 9Gs, etc), it doesnt get sparrows and lacks some of the ground ordnance of the F-4E for example(only 2 Mavericks). the J 35D going to 10.3 is perfect. it gets no flares, no rwr, you only get 4 9Js, no SARHs, terrible energy retention. Mirage 3s are at 10.3, MiG-21s are at 10.3 and the 35D is worse than most of those. it should not be 10.7, the past 1.5 years have proven that its not deserving of 10.7 JA 37C does not belong at 11.3 either. it also only gets 9Js, only 2 skyflashes and a radar that's been nerfed beyond recognition. flight performance mostly stayed meaning that its just as mediocre as before
i think they dont wanna put the F14 to max tier because they will add the next F14 that will be slightly better and they need to bait the wallet warriors into spending money
when i heard that 12.0 was going to be a thing i said the f14 should be 12.0 as well and my god did the american mains bitch and moan about it. I have the F14 I dont really like it all that much but i still think it should be 12.0 even people who are my friends bitched at me and called me stupid for saying it should be 12.0 💀
I don't understand why they can't add 12.7 and step everything up so that the current 8.7s and 9.0s don't have to fight the most popular and cancerous 9.7s and 10.0 premiums.
this literaly fixed nothing for the planes that suffer the most, and those are everything from 8.0 to 9.3 this br bracket is unplayable when uptiered, and a flat out massacre when downtiered. balanced matches almosr never happen because everyone who has grinded for months jumps into their new mig15, and gets absolutely shat on by all aspect missiles. this is the old times top tier(pre tanks and shit when the game was actualy good) and many players including me dont want to play against missiles in their korean era jets. real decompression would be adding a .5 br bracket for every era (1.0>1.3>1.5>1.7>2.0) or better yet make it .2(1.0>1.2>1.4>1.6>1.8>2.0) and make it so we can get up or downtiered up to .6.
I have the su-25k but IMO it’s not really that good but I shouldn’t be facing low br planes that don’t have flares. But if they set the br higher for it it won’t fit for a lot of ground tanks
@@icantsleepman even if american used it to train german pilots idgaf it should be in our tree even if it was a trainer it was still armed and everything
Not, US never owned the F-104G. They were still German owned and in German service, only in US to train the Luftwaffe pilots. Or else you could also give Germany the F-4E because they also trained on those in the US but never actually owned them (except for the RF-4E)
@@evo3s75 im just saying some viritety . like warthunder isnt 100% historically accuret with all its wounder weapons . could we just let this slide . its stupid to want to be realistic in a game where realism is often thrown out the window .
But spit, the Agile Eagle changes literally nothing to the insane amount of suffering the F-4F goes through. It's still an F-4, turn and you lose a lot of speed, turn with Agile eagle and you lose even more speed whilst getting only a bit more AoA Don't forget, it does *not* have sparrows nor does it have 9L's, it's only 9J's and a bit more maneuverable so the 10.7 br is completely deserved because it was getting absolutely shat on by literally everything in the same br or lower
3:00 Aim-9L had an identity crisis and thought it was an R-60M
guy dint radar slave + noone flared + F-14 is too hot
@@black_thunder2159 Radar slaving wouldnt have done anything there. It was clearly tracking the right target initially, and IR missiles dont care what you do at all after they are off the rails. Its really just f14 being hot AF and crossing in front of the original target. Spit didnt really do anything wrong there, especially since the f14 wasn't anywhere near his target when he fired. Just a case of shit luck or unfortunate circumstance.
@@black_thunder2159 That's why I called it an R-60M, the missile was tracking the enemy at first but then switched targets. R-60Ms will always go after the hottest target while the Aim-9L tends to stick to the intended target.
That’s what my 9L does, but when I play another nation at this BR, I dump all my flares and the 9L still tracks and turns me into fireworks
At 3:25, The AIM-7Ms are model as a carbon copy to the AIM-7F so it really wouldn't do anything.
IRL the AIM-7M's upgrades over the 7F lies in its monopulse tracking system, think of it as a 7F but with smarter brains. Have no idea if that difference is even modelled in game though
@@niggalini no it's not moddeled since every CW seeker acts the same in terms of ground clutter and stuff
Its interesting how I can agree with pretty much everything you say, and then you call having flares vs. not having flares a "minimal difference" in the 10.7-BR.. Whatever you smoked before recording it must have been real good :)
while it does make a difference in ease of survivability… both jets are just as capable of bagging kills as each other. There’s also precedent for vehicles in a similar situation being at the same BR. The Mirage IIIE and C are both 10.3 with the only real difference being flares and weight.
I know right lol, he has to be trolling
@@OtterMusician J35D only carries 2 9Js whilst the XS carries 6. That's a pretty significant difference in kill potential, especially when the guns on both of them are hot shit since they lost their tracers. Viggen's is useable since it has high velocity, low drop and high damage, whereas the ADENs on the Drakens are slow, high drop and love to spark
Ok I feel like I need to address this.
In the context of the 20-odd seconds around this comment I make it clear that we currently lack the spacing of BRs to distinguish differences such as flares/no flares. This is also apparent with the Mirage IIIs.
In the grand scheme of the game (ie, 12 BRs and a vast array of planes, it seems to be such that flares comprise of a “minute difference” in the overall capability of an aircraft to get kills and win matches and that difference is unable to constitute much in the way of BR separation.
I clearly state that flares are definitely useful and they are especially at 10.7 but in context this should be understandable as nothing but a small differentiation in the design of the aircraft, or perhaps some comedic hyperbole rather than a statement on the capability of either aircraft.
Sadly some of these are really bad...
It won't be Gaijin if they don't do something horrible.
The harrier gr7 is going up for some reason it should stay 11.3 or go back to its original 11.0
Not littlekittokattos fault for single handedly raising the BR of the Seafire FR 47 xD
Italy suffers.
@@MANNYzZ 11.0? Fuck no. That thing has 4 9Ls, really good acceleration and also shit load of countermeasures.
2:56 Everyone forgets that the pheonix's don't work anymore.
5:20 THANK YOU, you're one of the first people I've seen use the HMS in the MiG-29 properly with free look to launch a 27T. About time, these things have been out like a month.
Also personally the J-35D at 10.3 so long as the 21MF and SMT are there is fine with me. They've always been comparable planes but now the 35D doesn't have flares like the 21's do. It should at least be the same BR. It's flight performance doesn't make up for not having flares. That's why the XS is so good even though it only has 12 total flares/CM's.
We really need separate Ground and Air realistic BR for planes. I understand the issue of A-10/SU-25 (although always only when I play against them, mine is never OP :D ) but any movement of these planes from where they sit pretty much damages the Ground line-ups they are based around - especially the Gold standard of USSR 9.7
Ussr 9.7 grb could stand to go up as well though. Turms-T and 2s38 certainly could easily be 10.0
Don't agree at all with this
@@cammarlow3951 Oh sure it could, but then the marketing pitch is gone for Gaijin. This way there are 3 solid vehicles, same BR, all purchasable and "under 10.0"
@@CutePoisonEU very true
@@cammarlow3951 And similar thing would be with the A-10, at least perception wise. Now it is matched with the first Abrams, so it shows as a milestone and gets people in. Would it not work at 10.3? Sure would. 10.7? Most likely. Then there is the careful balance of enjoyment of playing those planes vs playing against them - from being completely powerless with many gun SPAA being Mavericked from beyond your range on one side, to being shot down by beam-riding AA missile without getting a single radar warning, 8km out.
Bottom line is, I understand the things are more of an issue in Air RB because they are truly disrupting, but frankly not as impactful in ground - here I think Helis are bigger issue.
10.3 get some relief finally. Totally agree with you about the F-14. It should be the highest if not one of the highest BR among all the top tiers now
Doesn't matter...Sabres are other subsonics are still facing all aspect missiles and supersonics.
And ww2 heavy tanks are still getting insta penned by heatfs lobbing cold war tanks
Not going to lie the F104 at 9.3 is extremely lucrative
G91YS fans watching from the background
I was so happy to see that my F4F wasn't gonna get shafted by 4th gens too much anymore, though I was disappointed as to how the su22 stayed on the same BR. Oh well, can't have everything.
As a person who plays the Starfighters in Italy a lot, I say that we need 12.3, the F-104S's are not capable enough against the higher tier vehicles. But giving them a down tier would make them unbalanced being able to meet 9.7 planes.
9:16 J35XS also carries 2 more 9Js than the J35D
I just found that out recently, what a joke
Everyone on the forums suggested the F-14 to go to 12.0, gaijins excuse, it already moved up 1 bracket
I think there is still issues at the o
Low end of the jet BRs. Mainly everything from 7.7 to 8.7. Depending on what line in a tree you a grinding the first jets you start with are 8.3. In my case my first jet was the f2h. And immediately I was thrown into a situation where I could not learn how to fly a jet because I didn't have an opportunity to learn energy for jets. I just needed to turn a pull hard to dodge Aim9Bs. Fortunately I learned because I did out side research and got some tips. I now am playing the Japanese Saber at 8.7 and it is a complete pain trying to fight mig21 and 23s. I have to fight the yak 38's missles and the su-25k. It is a struggle. I can manage but for a new player I don't think they really can.
Skill issue on yak38 and mig21. Tho the su25s i can understand.
And no offense. Literally 95% of players are on the same skill as you currently are on.
But generally it is a very beginner unfriendly game. I recommend you just start doing 1v1s to maybe get a basic grasp on how to dogfight. And that in turn means you get to live longer as you will start understanding how to dodge guns better. Where to turn.
But mig21s and yak38s arent really an issue for me personally. Even if i sit in an f35 sabre.
The actual problem with these aircraft comes from them just decimating half your team within 20 seconds. And then you die as a result of your team being gone.
First thing I do when a new plane is available for research is to test drive it. See if I like it. If I do I dedicate quite a bit of time to practicing with it in test drive before I unlock it. Then once I have it I take it into test drive mission editor and spend a few hours doing head to head with AI to get a handle on it before I ever take it into matchmaking
Rule #1 of War Thunder: Know your aircraft(what it’s capable of and being able to use it)
@@SPFLDAngler you know you can also just go to custom games man.... there you actually learn how to handle ur aircraft. All u need to do is ask for a 1v1
@@thunderousavenger2382 I have had countless games were those R-60 destroy the game. I have had multiple matches where I am even more than 5km away heading to base and right as I menuver to line up on the airfield. Boom R-60 that was stealth launched. I can handle myself I a dog fight in most case. But I can't stick to one with r-60s around.
I really don't think right now my issue is how to fly that Japanese f-86f-30. I have a positive KD and an ok win rate. But every bad match I have has the same things in common. Missles that are just not defeatable or aircraft that have every performance advantage over me. It is so hard forcing a miss play and capitalizing on it when there is that large of a discrepancy when It comes to performance.
F104J remain at 10.7 while j35D moves down (it need too) when both have the same problem
Only difference is that no one plays the F-104J so Gaijin got not data on it
I tried it for about 3 matches and got slapped silly by f14s every match
In the British now to reach rank 8 they need 4 aircraft but there are only three development a premium and a squadron, well done Gajjin again
2 jaguar and 2 phantoms what u talking about
the ejkai only gets Aim7Es and 7Fs not E2s
3:02 I dont blame the missle for getting confused, i play sim and enemy Allied aircraft does cause a LOT of issues 😭😭 missle not taking any chances 😂
Missile detects a heat signature - missile eliminates the heat signature, does not elaborate further
BR decompression my ass,J-7D sees F16/MiG29 just as much as it did before,I challenge you to play 10 J-7D/F104S games and count the full uptier to downtier ratio.
I recently got the SU 25 for 50% off (I know, people will hate me for that but I need to grind), and I completely agree with it being 10.0. I get like 3 kills per match, sometimes more, as well as a base and 10 to 20 ground targets... it's an insane plane at that BR.
It should be probably 10.3 you get 2 free kills with missiles and guns are really good and literally nobody uses it as a strike aircraft everyone just uses it
As a fighter
@@MANNYzZ At 10.3 you would face 11.3s...idk. The A10 yes. R60s are not nearly as good as the 9L, they go after every little flare.
The f4j and the viggen is not the same. The viggen gets two radar missiles and to aim 9 j meanwhile the f4j gets eight radas missiles and 4 aim 9 g so a total of 12 missiles versus 6
I agree the F14 should be 12.0. 10.0 may still get stomped by 11.0 but it may not be that bad but then again it's a shitload of premium spam at that BR.
I was close to starting the f14 grind and now I’ve got to get the f3d to a10 late to actually unlock rank 8 aircraft. Timing of these changes was so damn unlucky for me, not to mention the fact half of these changes are crap
Was this recorded at night? I hear crickets in the background
Yeah Aussie summer lol. I had to have a door open too bc it was 30C in my room
@@Spitflyer haha same I'm from Australia and its so hot
A lot of these rely on the whole "it has aim-9L's" reason and that gives quite a bit of reason but I think flight performance and potential of a vehicle is more important. Because when everyone is empty and missiles are done and wasted the only reason I'm getting 5 kills every game compared to any other A-10 is knowing how to trap jets and aim the hardest hitting gun. It needs to go up but because of a load of reasons not just missiles.
I have many matches in A-6E when I just losing all my AIM-9L's 'coz everybody know how to avoid them with flares. I can partially agree to put all AIM-9L jets to at least 10.3 but what does it change? There are many jets with no countermeasures at 9.3-9.7 BR, and even some at 10.0-10.3.
@@superbuster11 it would at least get them away from 9.0's people quit playing
I don't know if i'm saying a no sense, but i feel like the f104 could stay at 10.0/10.3, but they need countermeasures. The flight permormance are ok, missile are shit but you can make them work. Under 10.0 is bullshot, but to be enjoyable over 10, they need something to not die the second an A5 send a magic, or whatever missile is sent.
Having played the F-104A and C, they were perfectly fine at 9.7 - the only problems they face is the high G and all aspect missiles and that's the fault of the missile carriers, and not a reason for the F-104s to go down
@@splabooshkey3343 i agree, but i lost the hope to not see 30g or all aspect missil€$ XD
@@pincopallinogek6032 fair fair, they're not too difficult to avoid if you're paying maximum attention but on average yeah they just come out of nowhere
USAF F-104's never got CM
@@splabooshkey3343 the problem isn’t that you can’t avoid them, it’s that if you stay high/far enough away, you can’t do anything. Can’t kill anyone, can’t groundpound, can’t effect the match in any way
I think being excited about these changes is the exact wrong move.
Gaijin clearly doesn't want to decompress the MM. They essentially gave us an extremely milquetoast version of what we want so that they can say they did it without actually doing anything. They literally raised the ceiling by the absolute smallest amount possible, while not addressing anything like A-10/SU-25, SU-11, or any of the other blatantly overpowered planes.
By hyping this up you are validating this strategy. We should have had 12.0 when the phantoms were added. Hell maybe even sooner with the F-100s. Instead we're getting it a month after they just added the F-16 and Mig-29.
We should be calling Gaijin's bluff and demanding more.
top tier jets need + - 0.7 br not + - 1.0
He-100d going down in br perplexes me, it's easily the fastest vehicle til like 4.0 and the guns really aren't that bad against even 2.0s.
19:20 do you mean coil whine? if so thats normal for high power systems like the 4090. Really the only way to minimise it is to put a FPS cap and undervolt the GPU.
It’s definitely not cool whine. The buzzing increases if I stress test the CPU while gaming so yeah definitely PSU
J35XS got changed to the Saab 35FS... Alright Gaijin. Focus on that. Be proud. Ignore the problems.
Where is the "Pincard on the Top" with the F14 video? Cant find it..
1 sec
3:08 what kind of bullshit was that?
F8E Crusader needs no relief. I knock out top-tier jets with it regularly. It can dogfight anything near or above it's tier and can dodge any missile, and it's cannons are potent enough to side shoot tanks.
well, no more mixed battles against F-14s atleast. Can't complain
@@kamoinar1905 only if you fly realistic. the crusader is still in my top tier lineup for arcade. always feels good to shoot down a jet that was made 20+ years after yours was.
The FW-190 A5/U2 going down to 4.0? I think I remember either the U12 or U2 having oddly good flight performance for the br. I assume that's the U12 then.
Are you sure that Yak-38 is fine where it is? It has been recently buffed to have 4 (!!!!) R-60s, which devastate no-flare planes. Yes, not the all-aspect ones, but that doesn’t mean that R-60s aren’t op for 9.7 (or 9.3, can’t remember, sorry). Especially with great acceleration of the VTOL, you literally can’t outrun it in any subsonic, and even many supersonics like MiG-19S. Yeah, you can easily outturn the Yak, but if it just runs at high speeds, it can easily dodge the attacks since it got quite nice handling (not manoeuvrability, but handling), it also can bleed and gain speed pretty much on par with MiG-19s or even faster, and strapping R-60s to that… Yeah, that’s sub ideal to say the least. At least as far as I see.
What do you think of it? Maybe you missed the 4 R-60s incident or something, but I really don’t think it deserves its place
They could've given the F-4F the AIM-9Ls that it fielded. The platform we have, one capable of using Mavericks, historically flew with AIM-9Ls.
The one that I can agree with is the J35D staying at 10.7. It outclasses just about every 10.3 in that BR range. They keep the F-104's at 10.7 that are slightly faster than it with around the same armament yet horrendous turn times. Most of the F-104's don't even have flares as well, and now its at the exact same tier as the F-1 which the only thing that can compare to it is its AIM-9P's.
Oh forgot to add that they change most aircraft with SARH missiles up 0.3 BR yet the F4E stays at 11.0. Which I can understand that it doesn't really stack up well against other top tier jets, but it absolutely slaps people who are at 10.7-10.0 since it still has AIM-7E-2's.
I don't necessarily think it should have gone down, but if the mig21 smt and mf are down at 10.3 so should the draken, its got competitive flight performance with them, worse missiles and no flares. I understand f104's generally get shafted, but also the people kinda have forgotten that the mig21's are down at 10.3 and arguably cause more damage than the draken being at 10.3. The way I see it is that the draken and the 21's should be at 10.7.
For strike aircraft like the a10, su25 and the a6e, they should either go up to atleast 10.7, or be stripped from air rb, as in air rb, they are 99% of the time, used as fighters due to their criminally undertiered missiles. When they were all designed for strike missions, not murdering the korean era aircraft.
Aircraft like the harriers and the a5c and the yak38, all that needs doing is them going up 1 or 2 battle ratings, the yak38 can carry 4 r60s at 9.3 and that is in desperate need for change.
I love how the can give us decompression without decompression
Still need a much higher br to decompress
Finally can start using some of my other jets
The F1c should not go to 11.7, the 530F supers are Pulse and are massively outclassed by CW missiles. They are not reliable enough vs F14,16s or Mig-29s in the way the 530D are. If the F1c got the 530D, sure maybe, but not with Fs.
It would be awesome if you covered more props :)
Got some props coming!
brb going to club some seals with he100d
hey since they make the f2h2 7.3 can you make a video about it being the NEW sea jesus
The mirage 3c needs to move down to 10.0 it has no flares and is an alright dogfighter, the missiles can be compared with those of the f4c which is at 10.0. the plane is a terrible pain to grind with.
The issue is having magics at 10.0 is an issue, as seen with the A5C which needs to move up.
I don’t wanna see 30G missiles below 10.3, which I already disagree with on the A5C, SU25, A10, A6E, etc.
IMO IIIC shouldn't have gotten Magic's and a 9.3-9.7 br.
@@miquelescribanoivars5049 I think it’s fine with magics, especially since for the longest time the IIIC was the only viable fighter in the French TT since they’d been so neglected.
And it did perfectly fine until all aspects were added, cuz I can outplay someone with R60s by just not giving him my burner, but R60M and 9Ls don’t care so there’s no counter play
@@Northern00 I'm well aware of the background behind the addition of the Mirage III in WT (who could forget Dozer's seething?). But the point still stands, we should had gotten the IIIE w/ flares instead of the IIIC back then. The IIIC is a 1960 plane (think Lighting, early MiG-21's and F-104's) and giving it Magic's forced it into fighting much more modern planes with access to CM's and heavier missile loads. Removing the Magic's would help to fill the gap between 9.3 to 10.3 while also putting the plane in a much more leveled playing field.
@@miquelescribanoivars5049 I see what you’re saying now, I agree to a point.
But honestly look at the Milan, it’s in the exact position you just described, but is better overall in terms of engine power and bombs, and it still gets FUCKED in the mm. So I don’t think your suggestion would fix anything, and may kill the IIIC even more.
Finally j35D on 10.3 🙌
Su-17M2 FINALLY at 10.7
still no flares/chaff, still only 4 R-60, still sucks.
Wait but didnt the list update with the su-11 appearing?
For a 4090 I wouldn't go lower than a 750w psu. Recently with my rx6600 I upgraded to a 650w from a 500w.
Am i the only person to see that missle kill at 3:04 haha
11.0 is still basically flying 12.0 right now so yeah in 20 games 20 were 12.0
kinda late to report these changes imo
I feel like 11.0 BR is too high for the F-104S TAF, you get AIM-9Ps but everyone else at 11.0 would have all-aspect 30g missiles. Maybe 10.7 was better for it. Idk. Can someone tell me why the BR was moved up? Was it doing too well at 10.7?
It got flares. The F-104S, when played right, has great flight performance. The flares gave it an extra edge. Originally, it was a struggle to run from all aspect 30g missiles because you didn't have the maneuverability to shake them and couldn't outrun them. It made the sacrifice for speed>maneuverability useless. With flares, you can shake those missiles easily, making the boom and zoom much harder to counter
Hey spitflyer, do you have any methods to calm your heart rate, after I broke my mouse trying to spade the f4e a few months ago I literally can't touch air rb without my heart spiking to all hell as soon as I spawn
Side climb don’t be aggressive
@@dafunk100k thats what I do, I do usually manage to get a few kills but my heart is still insane
You care to much. Its just a game
imagine what would make you do if you'd play the F-4F.. used to be 11.0, constant uptiers and *no* sparrows nor 9L's
Agile Eagle does literally nothing to help it, it's still an F-4 and loses a fuckton of speed and energy in a turn
@@evo3s75 don’t fucking play it then. Play a plane you don’t need as much skill in then
No way they start the decomp now
I think they still need 12.7 for new generation jets
they always do this a month or so after, but they only do it slightly.
We needed 12.7 for a while already and the F-14 has been OP and needing to be 12.7 ever since it's introduction which was wayyyyyy too early
@@evo3s75 I don't even play anymore after 2016, I miss the 2012 simplicity. It's just ridiculous now. Gaijin have made so many bad decisions and preying upon the addictive nature of the game to keep people churning profits
Hi mate! Love watching your videos. I just got into WT back after 3 years. I am currently at the mig19pt. I can’t believe how hard it is to go to the next tier to mig21s. I find it so hard to fight aim 9s with my 19pt…not fun at all. I also wanted to buy a premium to help with my grind but there isn’t any soviet 9.3 or 9.7 with decent missiles. Any tips?
SU11
The SU-25K has 2 R60Ms. It is a very OP plane
You better get Yak-38M or Su-25 tech tree. It is the best 9.7 with 30g missiles
Thought the Su11 was going to 7.7?
Said 7.3 but og decided against it.
"A5-C is a ground attacker", yeah, sure mate, a modification of Mig19 is definitely a purpose built ground attacker. Just like 104S TAF, wonder why that thing didn't get a 11.3.
I quote from Wikipedia here: “The Nanchang Q-5 (Chinese: 强-5; pinyin: Qiang-5; NATO reporting name: Fantan), also known as the A-5 in its export versions, is a 1960s-design Chinese-built single-seat, twin jet engine ground-attack aircraft based on the Shenyang J-6. The aircraft is primarily used for close air support.”
@@Spitflyer Yes, and J-6 is a rebranded Mig19P. It's not correct to put it into the same context as A10 and Su25. Magic 1s (you have only 2 of them) are pretty flareable rn (if you flare them from over 700 meters) they are not full aspect, and their seeker isn't sensitive enough for 90 degree side aspect shot either (except, maybe phantoms). It inherited the great flight performance of Mig19, but due to added armor it loses energy below 0.8 mach faster, yet keeping turning circle small. Another problem it has - it's not that fast, 1260 kph IAS is the limit and you reach 1200 at the deck. Guns are from prop era, only 18 CMs (but actually you have to run chaff because you fight US 24/7 and at the altitude you often meet lads like F8, F4C's and MigS with R3s, so in practice you only have 9 pops). At this BR it's a very good plane, and even if you put it on 10.3 nothing would change cause in those almost 500 games I did during my recent Chinese tree grind, I got 9.0's less than ten times. Problem with 10.3 placement is.... something like F5-C, F8-U and F8-E (FR) those planes are just better aircrafts with more missiles, also, should I mention SMT and MF? Probably not. We need 13.0 BR ranges for Air RB. Early Starfighters at 9.3 is a joke too (what Mig15 should do against F104 lol), but they get sompletely obliterated by R60's at 9.7 and so on. "Conservative" and "patient" gameplay can get you more kills, but you won't influence the outcome of the most the games, just because how these BRs are played rn (you can't be aggressive). All-aspect missiles at this low BR completely changed the matches + most of them belong to aircrafts theat can be obtained via donation, also try to flare 9L in A5-C in rear aspect, also caged 9D's are kinda scary rn. All of that combined it why I think 10.0 is a perfect BR for that aircraft 9.3 flight performance with 10.7 missiles and weird guns.
I just wanna be able to use the buccaneer without fight phantoms and mig21s
su-11 at 12.0 please
EJ-Kai gets Aim-7F
Was going to comment this lol.
EJ-kai has the AIM-7F
As a 11.3 mig23 player, I still only see f16s in RB
Bravo, this changes almost nothing.
This is such a tiny br decompression I won't even notice.
There's literally nothing than should be above 8.7 to 9.0 that doesn't have flares
They should fix 8.7-9.7 too much bs with the missile buses
EJ Kai received AIM-7Fs last year so I think I can justify it going to 11.7.
Yeah you’re right. L for me lol
Moving Su-11 from 7.0 to 7.3 is Gaijin's fu..ing joke 🤬
Is the venom still 8.7?
Ye gaijin is stupid it should be 7.7
I think F14A (Early) should stay where it is, as it is and leave the AIM-9L for F14A (Late).
Gaijin needs to fix its naming because it’s misleading, there is no F-14 early or late, F-14A is one aircraft, the block system was not used with the F-14. Regardless of it gets 9Ls it needs to be moved up to the top
@@NGC2419- Let me explain it to you.
The F14A Early has the wing inlets. It also does not have AIM9Ls, and that small pod thing on the nose.
The F14A Late should get 9Ls, no wing inlets, and that small pod thing.
The J35D should be att 10.3. Its a straight downgrade from the Saab 35FS having two less missiles, so CMs and no IRST just to name the biggest differences. And keep in mind that the Mig-21Smt and MF sits at 10.3 with 30g r60s, CMs and decent flight performance.
I have a question. I was researching the f14 before it got moved to tier 8. I don't have tier 8 unlocked. Will I be able to purchase the f14 once I research it?
Yes, you will be able to research and purchase it still, you just won’t be able to research anything else at rank 8
@@NGC2419- let's goooo
3:50 EJ Kai has aim 7Fs,you recording late again ccc :)
Rip hunter at 10.0
I agree with most things, but not on your opinion to the J35D going down and that the JA37C should go up.
You said, that the Draken shouldn't fight 9.3s, which I totally agree with, however at this BR you realy rarely get downtiers. It faces all-aspect dogfighting missiles all the times, atleast it doesn't have to fight good radar missiles now.
You also said, that the Viggen should go up, however it currently has really bad armament compared to its enemys. Aim 9Js are truly underwhelming, Aim 7E2s are bad and don't like to track anymore (they miss easy head-ons in 50% of all times), its radar likes to lock onto chaff in PD mode since the last update and it has less countermeasures compared to its enemys.
Also you where talking about the F-4EJ Kai and said that it has good Aim 7E2 Dogfight missiles, however the RJ Kai only has 7Es and 7Fs, so I assume you were talking about the 7Fs?
Ej Kai has aim7f and aim7e. Not aim7e-2
F-5C won’t see any F-14s anymore🤷♂️
You won after so many years hahaha
poor f14 that got tk ed
Literally the best plane in the game
Xm803, pls save it from thermal hell and turms :(
banger
balls👍
I'm 9.0 BR fighting 11.0!! It ain't easy!!😬
the F-4F is exactly where it belongs. AIM-9Js are honestly quite terrible for today's standards(against R-60s, 9Gs, etc), it doesnt get sparrows and lacks some of the ground ordnance of the F-4E for example(only 2 Mavericks).
the J 35D going to 10.3 is perfect. it gets no flares, no rwr, you only get 4 9Js, no SARHs, terrible energy retention. Mirage 3s are at 10.3, MiG-21s are at 10.3 and the 35D is worse than most of those. it should not be 10.7, the past 1.5 years have proven that its not deserving of 10.7
JA 37C does not belong at 11.3 either. it also only gets 9Js, only 2 skyflashes and a radar that's been nerfed beyond recognition. flight performance mostly stayed meaning that its just as mediocre as before
So gripen when?
2033
Can confirm the f100 is borderline unplayable
No one gon talk about the tk 😂 missile was on drugs
yeah, decompress that will have fuckall effect
i think they dont wanna put the F14 to max tier because they will add the next F14 that will be slightly better and they need to bait the wallet warriors into spending money
when i heard that 12.0 was going to be a thing i said the f14 should be 12.0 as well and my god did the american mains bitch and moan about it. I have the F14 I dont really like it all that much but i still think it should be 12.0 even people who are my friends bitched at me and called me stupid for saying it should be 12.0 💀
I don't understand why they can't add 12.7 and step everything up so that the current 8.7s and 9.0s don't have to fight the most popular and cancerous 9.7s and 10.0 premiums.
Souce
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this literaly fixed nothing for the planes that suffer the most, and those are everything from 8.0 to 9.3 this br bracket is unplayable when uptiered, and a flat out massacre when downtiered. balanced matches almosr never happen because everyone who has grinded for months jumps into their new mig15, and gets absolutely shat on by all aspect missiles. this is the old times top tier(pre tanks and shit when the game was actualy good) and many players including me dont want to play against missiles in their korean era jets. real decompression would be adding a .5 br bracket for every era (1.0>1.3>1.5>1.7>2.0) or better yet make it .2(1.0>1.2>1.4>1.6>1.8>2.0) and make it so we can get up or downtiered up to .6.
I have the su-25k but IMO it’s not really that good but I shouldn’t be facing low br planes that don’t have flares. But if they set the br higher for it it won’t fit for a lot of ground tanks
when is america going to get its damn F-104G and F-104S . like damn it i want my damn tip tanks and better performance .
They were both export versions so they're not coming to the US tech tree
@@icantsleepman are you sure about that . because the US had them in their inventory
@@icantsleepman even if american used it to train german pilots idgaf it should be in our tree even if it was a trainer it was still armed and everything
Not, US never owned the F-104G. They were still German owned and in German service, only in US to train the Luftwaffe pilots. Or else you could also give Germany the F-4E because they also trained on those in the US but never actually owned them (except for the RF-4E)
@@evo3s75 im just saying some viritety . like warthunder isnt 100% historically accuret with all its wounder weapons . could we just let this slide . its stupid to want to be realistic in a game where realism is often thrown out the window .
But spit, the Agile Eagle changes literally nothing to the insane amount of suffering the F-4F goes through.
It's still an F-4, turn and you lose a lot of speed, turn with Agile eagle and you lose even more speed whilst getting only a bit more AoA
Don't forget, it does *not* have sparrows nor does it have 9L's, it's only 9J's and a bit more maneuverable so the 10.7 br is completely deserved because it was getting absolutely shat on by literally everything in the same br or lower
Becouse of small maps in high tier I uninstall game forever... is a fucking counter strike with planes.