@ Hi mate I’m an Aussie living overseas, and the amount of Ukrainian young men that fled their country as the tanks were massing on their border living in this particular country is unbelievable If my country Australia was under threat I’d be straight back I agree with you about the support, but what about their own people supporting Ukraine even though the ones who have fled leaving their parents sisters and others there to bear the brunt of what’s happening I would be ashamed
Should be looking at the Millions of Australian Dollars spent on private international foreign companies like BGIS Pty making millions attempting to supply facility and project services to defence. Money could be easily saved with in-house service personnel instead of profit for foreign companies.
The tanks are old not fit for purpose and more then half of them are only good for spare parts. This is criminal we are just dumping our garbage in Ukraine and trying to get kudos for it. Shameful.
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk What miracles most of the Abrams and Leopards have been destroyed or on display in Moscow and as an ex Armored corps I think it would be criminal to put people in this old garbage.
One is on display in Russia. Thing is that Abrams crew got out of their tank, unlike the 5 T-series it probably took out. Remember the challenger two video, surrounded by blown up t-series with only disabled tracks.
Senator we need to increase the number of Redback IFV to circa 400 as originally envisioned not the 129 which aren’t enough for a battalion. We have 4 mechanised battalions in the RAR. We need to be able to equip all 4 with the Redback. The Reserve battalions can be mechanised with the M113AS4 APC. As the new Redback comes on line any excess M113AS4 should be retired, painted solid green and passed to the Ukraine.
we are an island, mechanized at division or company sizes is completely pointless, our fight is in the air and sea beyond the archipelagos of indonesia, our money is best spent at what has been ordered, long range strike and area denial capability
@@kallenstandish7944we can do both. The cost of equipping the RAR mech battalions is not extreme. Plus the continued use of the M113AS4 for the foreseeable future creates a duality of equipment and doctrines which is wasteful.
@@andrewcombe8907 i believe we are getting a battalion sized mechanized force which for the purposes of territorial defense of Australia is sufficient, the age of drone and autonomous systems has pushed alot of these expensive machines into obsolescence
@@kallenstandish7944 redbacks can be modified to be equipped with lasers to shoot down drones. They can also be a mobile, versatile drone mothership as well?
The question is about cost 😅. Who would have thought moving heavy armour overseas is expensive? What a joke! Mobilisation of armour will cost one quarter of the original production cost because of weight. Now the government is upset because that money was earmarked for corruption and payoffs. Maybe the policymakers should have calculated the transport cost. Are we just figuring out we have lawnmowers in a F1 race? What a joke!
The deputy prime minister has now woken up after the burying the helicopters scandal. It's great that they are now actively looking to see what Australian retired equipment can be sent to Ukraine.
Well, the MRH90's were not safe. Easy enough to say hand them over but if one fell out of the sky (like what happened to us) it is the Australian government that cops the flak.
@Pedro-tj5qt The Taipan were safe. If you go back through Senator Fawcett youtube, you will see him grill the Australian defence force chief over their non-facts they sold to the aussie public. The rest of the world that has them still use them as they are safe. Ukraine looked at their usage capabilities and still wanted them. Burying them was wasteful.
AUS under orders from Israelistan 🇺🇸 supports Nazis in Ukraine and Nazionists committing GENOCIDE in Palestine then ponders the recruiting crisis. These officers should all be speaking out demanding they are not sent. Enough of our involvement as hired THUGS in Israelistans illegal wars.
Yep, to defend another non-nuclear country that was invaded by a nuclear power just like Australia could be. So if we don’t help others that get invaded, how could we ask other countries to help us? And just so you do actually realise this, the same countries that signed on the dotted line to defend Ukraine, have also promised to defend us.
@NevilleWran6666 yep, besides, why do they need to for us to help? I don't care about you (I don't know you), but I care enough about you to pay my taxes which help you, you do the same for me. If we do not support international borders then how do we complain if ours are breached? Furthermore it's the same countries that say they will defend us as those that said they will defend Ukraine so again, it is in our best interest to ensure they do
@@saberint Do you realise Australia is providing this equipment to a country that overthrew a Democratically elected government and is now controlled by a Government that refuses to hold elections and has made peace talks illegal.
The tanks are old not fit for purpose and more then half of them are only good for spare parts. This is criminal we are just dumping our garbage in Ukraine and trying to get kudos for it. Shameful.
Defend democracy? Then why did nato support the overthrow of the democratic elected Ukrainian government in 2024 by violent force? A pro Russian Ukrainian democracy, is democracy biased? Lol
@MrBeagleblue Ukraine asked for the tanks. They are better than a T72, still operating and able to fire. Disposal for high maintenance to keep and purchases of new tanks is the reason for the gift. Fight to defend democracy.
@@ferdluzzi3385 What democracy, Zelensky is a criminal Narcissist dictator who doesn`t want to relinquish power, no elections, no freedom of speech, no freedom of Religion, no freedom of language or ethnicity you talk absolute horse manure. And none of those tanks are fit for battle especially the theatre they are going to. Remember when we offered the F18`s and they called them flying trash well these are just tracked trash and it is criminal to put anyone in them on a battlefield even if they could get them up to standard which I doubt. I know I was in the the Australian Armored corps.
Ukraine is not at all democratic...Opposition arrested, banned, hell even churches are banned. Its clear you know nothing about Ukraine. Nor is the United States are democratic.
id be upset if these tanks didnt already prove them selves to be dog sh*t anyway, knowing the russians will make quick work of them. what i am upset about is the utter waste of tax payer money this clown virtue signal represents, and the sad inability of what we call government to withstand the external (from our dear allies (*american plantation masters)) pressure to make such poor, but also pointless decisions. we are in a sad state
It's been evident that whatever tanks that arrived in Ukraine has been dealt with by the Russians. Why waist anymore resources when you know that your only facing an uphill battle that really we have no reason to be involved in tbh@heyguyswhatshappening6210
Tanks ain’t much good for downing missiles! Trump is likely to remove US assets that “buffer us” to our Nth. Backroom deals with Xi will see them unchallenged to the Solomons and from there Cairns, Townsville all the way to Brisbane is within missile range. We probably need HIMARs and Patriots rather than tanks. We make sovereign built APC’s.
@@AntRielly It is. It's now more than $1.3 Billion out of Australia's defence budget. Just take a peek at the governments web site. All military aid under the Albanese government is taken out of our own defence budget.
@@uppy4849 We are getting 75 new tanks. The tanks we're gifting to ukraine have 160 million dollars worth of parts we were going to be using on the new tanks. We are now going to have to buy 160 million dollars worth worth of parts from the United States that we wouldn't of had to if we weren't gifting them to ukraine.
The senator’s first question about “request awareness” suggests we are still not proactively forward thinking about what we can gift to Ukraine. Why didn’t we approach Ukraine a year or more ago, knowing the timeline in planning these things. And are we proactively thinking about gifting our Tiger reconnaissance/ attack helicopters? Or are we planning to bury these like the Taipans? We are a nation in peace tine who seems to be incapable of understanding the urgency for a country defending its very existence.
AUS under orders from Israelistan 🇺🇸 supports Nazis in Ukraine and Nazionists committing GENOCIDE in Palestine then ponders the recruiting crisis. These officers should all be speaking out demanding they are not sent. Enough of our involvement as hired THUGS in Israelistans illegal wars.
You’re just as out of touch as the good senator. Ukraine had their chance to entirely avoid this conflict yet decided to roll the dice and came up snake eyes. There is absolutely no path to a military victory for Ukraine, so sending these tanks is just a complete waste and removes them from strategic stockpiles that may one day be vital for us to defend our own territory as our own military sustainment is entirely dependent upon ships and planes from across the Pacific and if any adversary can stop shipments to Australia to even a reasonable extent, we’re screwed…
@@awlhunt Being that Ukraine is really just a front for NATO and the US I am not sure they had a choice to avoid this conflict. Boris Johnson was sent to Zelensky on April 9th, 2022 to scuttled a peace agreement, that had been all but agreed by both sides. "According to Arahamiya, there were several reasons for Ukraine’s refusal, and one of them was direct Western influence on the peace talks. The lawmaker recalled that while the negotiations between Kyiv and Moscow were underway in Istanbul, Johnson unexpectedly arrived in Kyiv on April 9th, 2022, telling Zelensky that he shouldn’t sign anything with them at all-and let’s just fight. Furthermore, Aramahiya noted, such an agreement would have needed to modify the constitution first (since it contains the desire to join NATO). The third point was that Kyiv didn’t trust Moscow to hold up its end of the bargain and not invade again-especially not without international security guarantees. Officially, Ukraine left the peace talks because of the discovery of the Bucha massacre after the Russian army withdrew from the Kyiv area. However, the bodies of the murdered civilians in Bucha were discovered on April 1st, while the talks continued until after Johnson’s surprise trip. On April 12th, just three days after Johnson’s visit to the Ukrainian capital, Putin publicly declared the peace talks to be over, saying the negotiations “turned into a dead end.”"
@@polarxta2833 yes I do agree that they were thoroughly committed to the cause by that stage, so both personally and politically it would have been near impossible for any individual actor to have taken that option, more’s the pity. This has been a long-running neocon project to confront and attempt to diminish Russia, regardless of whether or not the Ukrainians knew that this is what they were signing up for originally. The challenge of course is that had they been more realistic in their assessment of the Russian potential to fight and sustain war, they would have taken an off-ramp many, many years ago, but then again neither the US, nor the the Kyiv regime actually care about the welfare of the Ukrainian citizenry, so it’s all about personal enrichment and ideological goals rather than the fate of the Ukrainian nation.
@@DaveCleasc The panel make it clear that the intent was to recover spare parts from the M1A1's for use in the new A2's; the value of which estimated around $150-160 million. Army has to now wear that cost of replenishing those spare parts and is NOT being allocated new funding by Gov. = cut in funding if not actual 'acquisitions'.
Im glad they've been receiving the dozens of emails requesting a significant increase in our support provided. Im extremely happy this has happened and very proud of our contribution to defending Ukraine keep it up they need it ASAP. We will never forget MH17.
What are you talking about no artillery? Even if they were waiting on it no one is getting anywhere near us in the near term with our navy and Air Force etc.
Most of the M1 tanks are still fighting , those that have been destroyed protected the crews . Many ruzzianz have been killed by M1 tanks , which is the ultimate reason for their use.
@robinwhitebeam3955 Visual confirmation of 24 / 31 Abrams destroyed or captured i.e. ~80%. By "most are still fighting", you must be referring to the scarce 20% still operational 😂
0:32 @@robinwhitebeam3955 Why do you want to kill Russian people ya grub. You must be aware of the situation leading up to the SMO if you can use Google.
I hope we are not paying to fix these tanks before shipping. They will be in a terrible condition thanks to CASG who could barely keep them running when we needed them.
Did these politicians ask the Australian taxpayers. Pretty generous with our money. Going to interesting next natural disaster in Australia 🇦🇺 what country offers Australia 🇦🇺 aid..
@@ancient1946 Really? Nearly all western nations suffer from the same problem and that is mass Criminal invasions of their country. Just about a decade ago Australia stopped this criminal invasion process dead it's tracks. Trump has just told Mexico to halt the Criminal Invaders coming across the border into the USA. and Mexico has done just that in one day. So I guess you are still sticking to your Woke "geopolitical" theory. Well good luck with that.
This is not the first time that Australia has sent military hardware to a foreign country. However it is the first time unmanned. Australian has surplus finances to burn.
When this war In Ukraine is over and if in the unfortunate event that Australia faces conflict with China will the Ukrainians reciprocate our generosity and send their considerable defence assets to assist Australia???…. No didn’t think so 😒
Yeah look, I see your point BUT given the Ukrainians have fought for years with limited support, numerous restrictions on the use of their capabilities and all the war crimes the Russians have committed against their people... well, you'd have to be quite a d!*k to ask it of them really 🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️
@@eriktreptow827 WTF? Ukraine has been given tens of thousands of missiles, thousands of vehicles and tanks. They had the largest and strongest army in NATO other than the US.
How dare the gift a functional us made item to Ukraine. These tanks can be refitted in the USA, we don't have enough of anything to mount even a half assed see defence of this country
The tanks are old not fit for purpose and more then half of them are only good for spare parts. This is criminal we are just dumping our garbage in Ukraine and trying to get kudos for it. Shameful.
Glad to see we are being sensible about it and politicians are interrogating the process if we are not careful we will be on the frontlines the situation in Ukraine is very similar to Europe in 1940-41
Thanks to our Australian cousins for their contribution and continuing help for Ukraine. A true allies and friend to Ukraine and to Europe and especially here the UK. Hopefully AUKUS will bring us even closer now after leaving the EU we can cooperate closer with our old trading partners. We should never have joined the EEC back in the day.
Unfortunately the M1A1 AIMS and the M1A2 Sepv3 are whilst being the "same" tank, are like comparing an analogue and a digital watch. Could we upgrade them? Yes we could, however that would involve sending them back to the Lima Tank plant in the United States and cost the same as a new tank. Also the Army Reserve simply does not possess the manpower to use these. Not only that but even having the Tanks in storage would require a larger support apparatus and full time RAEME personnel (which the Army has a shortage of) to maintain them (the Abrams has a tendency to stop turning on when you leave it for a while). I hope my spiel has got you thinking. That said I agree I would love a larger RAAC and a 'war" reserve would be great, it's just not realistic.
Agreed, they would be much better served here than sending them to become molten garbage in the Ukrainian disaster. Rather discuss peace in Ukraine than throwing our assets at an absolute dumpster fire.
No disrespect to Ukraine or to those who know far more about the relevance of tanks in modern warfare than I do but, the economics of this decision aside, we need more tanks, not less. Tanks will not be a spent force fighting on our own soil against most likely adversaries. Australia is not Ukraine and the battle will be remote over sparse areas with sparse concentrations of force including drones. Even with cluster munitions, manoeuvrable firepower will matter and we don’t have enough of it or enough artillery - well, enough of anything. We should have mothballed these M1A1s (not cannibalised them for spares). If an adversary lands here (I know we think that is unthinkable and our whole strategy is based on that very optimistic assumption) we would need them. Look at what Russia is doing with its ancient T62 stockpiles. The M1A1 tanks are far superior to them and will be viable against most likely adversaries for some time yet. This is a poor decision with no benefit to the country - a momentary headline and a warm feeling benefits nobody. This generosity won’t make a difference in Ukraine now and may be sadly regretted in 10 years by us - if an enemy armoured brigade is hurtling toward Brisbane, Sydney or Melbourne across open plains and we have nothing left but a drone or a Javelin. Give Ukraine a few hundred Hawkei PMVs. They want them and we don’t because we seem to be worried about the braking system. I really don’t understand our approach here, bipartisan as it is.
@Anthony77739 the US election is over, so they've got free time now. Our election is coming up, so unfortunately, these types of divisive online campaigns will increase exponentially. Foreign interference and all that jazz... 🙄🙄😒
The tanks are old not fit for purpose and more then half of them are only good for spare parts. This is criminal we are just dumping our garbage in Ukraine and trying to get kudos for it. Shameful.
@MrBeagleblue actually if you do a bit of research you'll find that they are old (they were purchased for Afghanistan), the Ukrainian Ambassador requested them (so they can't be unsafe or unusable) therefore we aren't dumping them in Ukraine. We are supporting Ukraine's effort to repel the illegal Russian invasion of their sovereign lands. You should probably watch the video before commenting, man.
@@teresaj6374 I know how and what the deal was when they were purchased I was in the Armored corps, were you? What democracy, Zelensky is a criminal Narcissist dictator who doesn`t want to relinquish power, totally corrupt government, no elections, no freedom of speech, no freedom of Religion, no freedom of language or ethnicity you talk absolute horse manure. And none of those tanks are fit for battle especially the theatre they are going to. Remember when we offered the F18`s and they called them flying trash well these are just tracked trash and it is criminal to put anyone in them on a battlefield even if they could get them up to standard which I doubt. I know I was in the Australian Armored corps.
I agree, always interesting to see the pollies act like they didn't agree to literally every procurement decision defence makes. Interestingly enough from my understanding the army wanted newly built blackhawks 20yrs ago but the NH90 is alot more fancy so the government made that decision. Funny that they are being replaced with Blackhawks now.
Jmho, but I do not support the provision of support to Ukraine. Australia needs to be far more vigilant about the US’s propensity towards fostering proxy wars, especially as they seem to be gearing up for war with China, and we seem to be marching along blindly, as their “allies”. The recent article in the Financial Review about the Pentagon’s view of Australia, was nothing short of disturbing. I love America, but the world order is changing, and the US is an empire in decline: a time at which empires are at their most reckless and dangerous. They are facing expansions of conflict in Europe and the Middle East, and a new war on our doorstep. The world needs diplomacy, not war.
Hopefully the meatgrinder is turned off asap but Ukraine will remain as heavily armed as possible. The tanks are a great addition to Ukraine, even in peacetime.
All wearing medals their soldiers learnt them. AO, CSC, DSM...How about admission that if we go to war we would lose!Stop giving away money, weapons and Kit and build our military giving retired equipment to Warstocks.
Army asking Navy about their tanks... Classic. I suppose the Army will be running the new Nuclear subs then.. Ah, no wait. We will create a "space command" for that in conjunction with air Force.. Being in all ways expert with boats... Unlike Navy that likes Tanks and Army that controls air assets.
Got to love the Army General and his eighteen medal ribbons, digging into the weeds you could have an even money bet there is a classic case of "medals by appointment" in that cluster!
@ I have indeed, he served like most grunts in operations, however I don’t see SNCO’, NCO’s or JR’s with thirty years of service with that many gongs? It’s well known fact the senior army leadership are well known for nominating each other for commendations. Campbell being a perfect example!
It would be a legitimate goal of any future Coaliton to double the deterent and combat power of all services and increase the combat energy and interoperability with any allies with some mulitplying technology and changes in doctrine and organisation and dumping of horses and swords equipment. The Senator's broad genuine perspective of talking about refreshing and replacing unwanted un-needed and shelf-expired equipment gifted to Ukraine is laudable but in specific cases there is a pointless waste in replacing what will be swords and horses against drones and ballistic missiles. When it comes to towed and heli-lifted howitzers such as MH1777 there is the precedent of how the world's most elite and glorious muzzle-loading shrapnel shell equipped muzzle loading field artillery could suddenly be overpowered and outranged by seven or eight farmers with smokeless powder rifles. The Royal Horse Artillery still has pride of place at the front of any British Column of March. For Australia it's the Armour Corps. It does seem that artillery in Ukraine is acting as batteries of one often directed by it's own drone and regardless of all history and training it is ludicrious to think that any Australian artillery are in a fair fight against any conventional enemy when the simple use of cluster munitions as generally eight times more effective by themselves totally obviate any supposed advantage Australian artillery would have just in counter-battery fire let alone all other sorts of fire missions particulary when a large number of Austalian vehicles especially including Bullshitmaster are endangered by Australian support fires. And unable to advance close behind artillery in the way of the the first tanks of WW1 or through friendly and supressing fire in the way the West German Army began with it's rebirth and mechanized infantry in Infantry Fighting Vehicles (Infantry Tank Long) and which is part of the US Bradley and all US Army doctrine against a conventional enemy in that Mechanised Infantry are supposed to drive through disordered enemy with stopping to clear every foxhole and go on to destroy the main danger of the concentrated power of the enemy. The Australian Economy of Force Doctrine against a Conventional Enemy will invariably end up as a platoon being sent to everything and dismounting out of the taxis and starting into infiltration or laying an ambush or a foot patrol and as in Ukraine such normal taxi operations and in the first artillery salvo everyone is combat ineffective and a liability with the wounded, medics and rescuers being picked off by drones and any mission a complete failure and the entire honourable history of the Australian Army including disasters such as the Fall of Singapore forgotten in the unfolding disaster with absolutely none of the supposed adaptability of the self-proclaimed Best Small Army in the World. Which is now the best in Urban Terrain having learnt from the US Army and US Marines and their vast experience and pointless heavy casualties and who have now abandoned the exact Australian methods and doctrines as mistaken and flawed. The fact that Australia describes the very vulnerable Bullshitmaster battalion as Motorised which would be rapidly slaugthered forming up or maneuvring as has been seen in Ukraine with single and double vehicles of enemies with autocannons inflicting huge casualties on units that have no means of fighting back and are destroyed even though superior in all aspects of armour and weaponry and smoke dischargers to the deathtrap Bullshitmasters. And describes M113 as Mechanised and does not have a doctrine and organisation publically known for Hanwei where the UK calls the obsolete gifted Saxon trucks in some ways superior to Bullshitmaster Motorised Infantry, the Bulldogs as Mechanised and the Warrior as Armoured Infantry. Everything about Bullshitmaster was wrong compared to the firepower put out by South African police in Crowbar operations who could line up four or five machine guns firing out the side of their anti-mine trucks with plenty more being reloaded and having their barrel changed while also having the ability to easily bend ze knees and be behind armoured cover. Four or five machine guns across an arc so devastating compared to an Australian in a Bullshitmaster without a gunshield and shot from any hidden direction. All of the Bullshitmasters should be in Ukraine as armoured ambulances because they are a barrier to the Australian Army and all other services doubling their deterent and combat value. So are the MH1777 Howitzers unless they were being used like old Infantry Guns and Mountain Guns and the Saluting Gun in some hill fort on the edge of Empire by a Special Forces team in the usual certain-yet-again broken-record-repeat-failure Outpost Counter-Insurgency Fuk-Up whether it's called an Infrastructure or Training or Nation-Building or Hearts and Minds or anything other than Assasination Mission. Dumping MH177 on Ukraine doesn't mean the Australian Army and politicians wouldn't find a way to go through the same lies and re-enactments of the past by acquiring more at some point or some substitute such as impressive rapid-fire robotic 120mm mortars but at least dumping all the Howitzers and old ammunition on Ukraine allows Australia the chance to double it's combat energy. would be a legitimate goal of any future Coaliton to double the deterent and combat power of all services and increase in the combat energy and interoperability with any allies. The Senator's broad genuine perspective of talking about refreshing and replacing unwanted un-needed and shelf-expired equipment gifted to Ukraine is laudable but in specific cases there is a pointless waste in replacing what will be swords and horses against drones and ballistic missiles. When it comes to towed and heli-lifted howitzers such as MH1777 there is the precedent of how the world's most elite and glorious muzzle-loading shrapnel shell equipped muzzle loading field artillery could suddenly be overpowered and outranged by seven or eight farmers with smokeless powder rifles. The Royal Horse Artillery still has pride of place at the front of any British Column of March. For Australia it's the Armour Corps. It does seem that artillery in Ukraine is acting as batteries of one often directed by it's own drone and regardless of all history and training it is ludicrious to think that any Australian artillery are in a fair fight against any conventional enemy when the simple use of cluster munitions as generally eight times more effective by themselves totally obviate any supposed advantage Australian artillery would have just in counter-battery fire let alone all other sorts of fire missions particulary when a large number of Austalian vehicles especially including Bullshitmaster are endangered by Australian support fires. And unable to advance close behind artillery in the way of the the first tanks of WW1 or through friendly and supressing fire in the way the West German Army began with it's rebirth and mechanized infantry in Infantry Fighting Vehicles (Infantry Tank Long) and which is part of the US Bradley and all US Army doctrine against a conventional enemy in that Mechanised Infantry are supposed to drive through disordered enemy with stopping to clear every foxhole and go on to destroy the main danger of the concentrated power of the enemy. The Australian Economy of Force Doctrine against a Conventional Enemy will invariably end up as a platoon being sent to everything and dismounting out of the taxis and starting into infiltration or laying an ambush or a foot patrol and as in Ukraine such normal taxi operations and in the first artillery salvo everyone is combat ineffective and a liability with the wounded, medics and rescuers being picked off by drones and any mission a complete failure and the entire honourable history of the Australian Army including disasters such as the Fall of Singapore forgotten in the unfolding disaster with absolutely none of the supposed adaptability of the self-proclaimed Best Small Army in the World. Which is now the best in Urban Terrain having learnt from the US Army and US Marines and their vast experience and pointless heavy casualties and who have now abandoned the exact Australian methods and doctrines as mistaken and flawed. The fact that Australia describes the very vulnerable Bullshitmaster battalion as Motorised which would be rapidly slaugthered forming up or maneuvring as has been seen in Ukraine with single and double vehicles of enemies with autocannons inflicting huge casualties on units that have no means of fighting back and are destroyed even though superior in all aspects of armour and weaponry and smoke dischargers to the deathtrap Bullshitmasters. And describes M113 as Mechanised and does not have a doctrine and organisation publically known for Hanwei where the UK calls the obsolete gifted Saxon trucks in some ways superior to Bullshitmaster Motorised Infantry, the Bulldogs as Mechanised and the Warrior as Armoured Infantry. Everything about Bullshitmaster was wrong compared to the firepower put out by South African police in Crowbar operations who could line up four or five machine guns firing out the side of their anti-mine trucks with plenty more being reloaded and having their barrel changed while also having the ability to easily bend ze knees and be behind armoured cover. Four or five machine guns across an arc so devastating compared to an Australian in a Bullshitmaster without a gunshield and shot from any hidden direction. All of the Bullshitmasters should be in Ukraine as armoured ambulances because they are a barrier to the Australian Army and all other services doubling their deterent and combat value.
Oy mate, you can't "welcome the outcome" on behalf of the Australian people ! Everyone I have spoken to about this proxy war are against providing weapons of war to Ukraine. This is taxation without representation.
21st May of this year 2024, according to testimony, as the first formal engagement by the Ambassador in regards to the M1A1 Abrams tanks. The belated perplexing delay of this first formal diplomatic request in regards to the Abram tanks and all other elements of Ukraine's needs and wants since the full-scale invasion is a complete total disgrace and a scandal when everything has always been told to the Ambassador and Embassy and the Ukrainian community of the need for formal diplomatic requests. There has never been any excuse given by the Ukrainian Ambassador in Australia nor anyone else that I am aware of in all this time. And as a corollary to that, any formal diplomatic request for normal departmental funding through the normal processes that are part of budget estimates and all normal conventional Commonwealth funding of programs, policies, and outcomes. The evidence in the TH-cam video from the Senate is compelling and can only be interpreted by a fair-minded person on this and other evidence as conduct and failures that seem totally against the national interest of Australia and Ukraine, and the motives must be viewed in conjunction with other issues as being completely unacceptable and repugnant. And especially so in wartime with human life being lost and a failure of duty so profound across many aspects if other allegations that are too serious to mention publicly have any similar evidence.
This is nothing, the 4 main Australian Banks had $30 Billion profit last year alone.
"To be Americas enemy is dangerous, to be its friend, lethal". Henry Kissinger
General Blain, my OC in Malaysia 2002. Brilliant officer
It's easy to be generous with other people's money. Sickening.
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Yep business class
Politicians have no idea there parasites
I pay taxes, I support Ukraine, it's what allies do. I'd hate to be a friend of yours .
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Hi mate I’m an Aussie living overseas, and the amount of Ukrainian young men that fled their country as the tanks were massing on their border living in this particular country is unbelievable
If my country Australia was under threat I’d be straight back
I agree with you about the support, but what about their own people supporting Ukraine even though the ones who have fled leaving their parents sisters and others there to bear the brunt of what’s happening
I would be ashamed
@@michaelharper8407 Nice name bot. Whoever is paying you must be desperate.
Should be looking at the Millions of Australian Dollars spent on private international foreign companies like BGIS Pty making millions attempting to supply facility and project services to defence. Money could be easily saved with in-house service personnel instead of profit for foreign companies.
The tanks are old not fit for purpose and more then half of them are only good for spare parts. This is criminal we are just dumping our garbage in Ukraine and trying to get kudos for it. Shameful.
@@MrBeagleblue
If the Ukrainians perform their usual miracles they will at least give their crews better protection than their old T72s.....
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk What miracles most of the Abrams and Leopards have been destroyed or on display in Moscow and as an ex Armored corps I think it would be criminal to put people in this old garbage.
@@MrBeagleblue
You are a Russian troll bot....
One is on display in Russia.
Thing is that Abrams crew got out of their tank, unlike the 5 T-series it probably took out. Remember the challenger two video, surrounded by blown up t-series with only disabled tracks.
Senator we need to increase the number of Redback IFV to circa 400 as originally envisioned not the 129 which aren’t enough for a battalion. We have 4 mechanised battalions in the RAR. We need to be able to equip all 4 with the Redback. The Reserve battalions can be mechanised with the M113AS4 APC. As the new Redback comes on line any excess M113AS4 should be retired, painted solid green and passed to the Ukraine.
we are an island, mechanized at division or company sizes is completely pointless, our fight is in the air and sea beyond the archipelagos of indonesia, our money is best spent at what has been ordered, long range strike and area denial capability
@@kallenstandish7944we can do both. The cost of equipping the RAR mech battalions is not extreme. Plus the continued use of the M113AS4 for the foreseeable future creates a duality of equipment and doctrines which is wasteful.
@@andrewcombe8907 i believe we are getting a battalion sized mechanized force which for the purposes of territorial defense of Australia is sufficient, the age of drone and autonomous systems has pushed alot of these expensive machines into obsolescence
Well said. The Redback needs to be dramatically increased. Better bang for buck, and protecting the soldiers in the best way possible.
@@kallenstandish7944 redbacks can be modified to be equipped with lasers to shoot down drones. They can also be a mobile, versatile drone mothership as well?
The question is about cost 😅. Who would have thought moving heavy armour overseas is expensive? What a joke! Mobilisation of armour will cost one quarter of the original production cost because of weight. Now the government is upset because that money was earmarked for corruption and payoffs. Maybe the policymakers should have calculated the transport cost. Are we just figuring out we have lawnmowers in a F1 race? What a joke!
Why we can't keep of international wars games. We are multinational country and need to respect peace not to support war and killings.
We’re not a “multinational country” but I agree we shouldn’t have anything to do with this US/Ukraine money laundering scheme.
@@handlenameig
USA and UK greatly influence ALL geopolitical decisions made in the vassal state of Australia. Maybe that's what he means ?
Russia invaded the Ukraine, supporting peace is stopping Russia
The deputy prime minister has now woken up after the burying the helicopters scandal.
It's great that they are now actively looking to see what Australian retired equipment can be sent to Ukraine.
Well, the MRH90's were not safe. Easy enough to say hand them over but if one fell out of the sky (like what happened to us) it is the Australian government that cops the flak.
So we do away with our defense capability and give it to Ukraine
@@charliepyle1626 The 59 M1A1 AIMS is being replaced with 75 M1A1 SepV3 plus we are keeping 10 of the old ones for training.....
@charliepyle1626 The M1A1 are being retired. We are sending those retired M1A1 to Ukraine because we are already getting replacements.
@Pedro-tj5qt The Taipan were safe. If you go back through Senator Fawcett youtube, you will see him grill the Australian defence force chief over their non-facts they sold to the aussie public. The rest of the world that has them still use them as they are safe. Ukraine looked at their usage capabilities and still wanted them. Burying them was wasteful.
It stinks that these Public Servants are paid corporate private sector level salaries!
If Russia didn't keep their old tanks as reserve stocks , they would of run out a long time ago....
Russia is doing just fine. They are outproducing their losses which are grossly overstated in the West.
Senator Fawcett and Senator Patterson are first class.
AUS under orders from Israelistan 🇺🇸 supports Nazis in Ukraine and Nazionists committing GENOCIDE in Palestine then ponders the recruiting crisis. These officers should all be speaking out demanding they are not sent. Enough of our involvement as hired THUGS in Israelistans illegal wars.
That war is lost .Trumps in ,it's over . We need those tanks for ourselves
Why they are literally being replaced ny M1A2 tanks. We don't have the ability to wield twice the number of tanks.
Absolute insanity , dont worry its just tax payer money youre gifting away
Yep, to defend another non-nuclear country that was invaded by a nuclear power just like Australia could be. So if we don’t help others that get invaded, how could we ask other countries to help us? And just so you do actually realise this, the same countries that signed on the dotted line to defend Ukraine, have also promised to defend us.
@@saberint great comment!
@NevilleWran6666 yep, besides, why do they need to for us to help? I don't care about you (I don't know you), but I care enough about you to pay my taxes which help you, you do the same for me. If we do not support international borders then how do we complain if ours are breached? Furthermore it's the same countries that say they will defend us as those that said they will defend Ukraine so again, it is in our best interest to ensure they do
@@saberint Do you realise Australia is providing this equipment to a country that overthrew a Democratically elected government and is now controlled by a Government that refuses to hold elections and has made peace talks illegal.
There's obviously a cost in disposing of the tanks that can be taken away from the$160mil for new parts. Slava Ukraine, defend democracy.
The tanks are old not fit for purpose and more then half of them are only good for spare parts. This is criminal we are just dumping our garbage in Ukraine and trying to get kudos for it. Shameful.
Defend democracy? Then why did nato support the overthrow of the democratic elected Ukrainian government in 2024 by violent force? A pro Russian Ukrainian democracy, is democracy biased? Lol
@MrBeagleblue Ukraine asked for the tanks. They are better than a T72, still operating and able to fire. Disposal for high maintenance to keep and purchases of new tanks is the reason for the gift. Fight to defend democracy.
@@ferdluzzi3385 What democracy, Zelensky is a criminal Narcissist dictator who doesn`t want to relinquish power, no elections, no freedom of speech, no freedom of Religion, no freedom of language or ethnicity you talk absolute horse manure. And none of those tanks are fit for battle especially the theatre they are going to. Remember when we offered the F18`s and they called them flying trash well these are just tracked trash and it is criminal to put anyone in them on a battlefield even if they could get them up to standard which I doubt. I know I was in the the Australian Armored corps.
Ukraine is not at all democratic...Opposition arrested, banned, hell even churches are banned. Its clear you know nothing about Ukraine. Nor is the United States are democratic.
Well done Senator 👏 ✔️
Jesus this is like an episode of Utopia, I dont any of them have a clue whats going on.
dont want to answer the questions
government made a decision & dumped it on defence! that's the way it works in a democracy
id be upset if these tanks didnt already prove them selves to be dog sh*t anyway, knowing the russians will make quick work of them. what i am upset about is the utter waste of tax payer money this clown virtue signal represents, and the sad inability of what we call government to withstand the external (from our dear allies (*american plantation masters)) pressure to make such poor, but also pointless decisions. we are in a sad state
you know the Russians do you?
It's been evident that whatever tanks that arrived in Ukraine has been dealt with by the Russians. Why waist anymore resources when you know that your only facing an uphill battle that really we have no reason to be involved in tbh@heyguyswhatshappening6210
Fully support Ukraine
Would much rather we put more time effort and resources into our own military
Yep well we don’t need to defend Australia do we Labor
I am far from Labour supporter, but not backing Ukraine now means we will have troops in Europe sooner.
@@waynetowers5828 nope. They and the other political parties are too busy creating more loopholes for migrants and multinational corporations...
Do you remember the shirtfront?
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Yep
@@waynetowers5828 That should give this some context then.
We should be rebuilding these tanks and add them to our inventory not giving them away.
Tanks ain’t much good for downing missiles!
Trump is likely to remove US assets that “buffer us” to our Nth.
Backroom deals with Xi will see them unchallenged to the Solomons and from there Cairns, Townsville all the way to Brisbane is within missile range.
We probably need HIMARs and Patriots rather than tanks.
We make sovereign built APC’s.
Russia is modernising their T90's.
@@russrh we are already receiving newer replacements 🙄
1.3 $B to Ukraine, yet we cant keep our own equipment serviceable due to lack of funds. Charity begins at home !
It's not 1.3B to Ukraine. It's Tanks.
@@AntRielly It is. It's now more than $1.3 Billion out of Australia's defence budget. Just take a peek at the governments web site. All military aid under the Albanese government is taken out of our own defence budget.
those tanks have been decommissioned, and we are getting an order of about 200 new abrams, so please know before you speak.
@@uppy4849 We are getting 75 new tanks. The tanks we're gifting to ukraine have 160 million dollars worth of parts we were going to be using on the new tanks. We are now going to have to buy 160 million dollars worth worth of parts from the United States that we wouldn't of had to if we weren't gifting them to ukraine.
The senator’s first question about “request awareness” suggests we are still not proactively forward thinking about what we can gift to Ukraine.
Why didn’t we approach Ukraine a year or more ago, knowing the timeline in planning these things.
And are we proactively thinking about gifting our Tiger reconnaissance/ attack helicopters?
Or are we planning to bury these like the Taipans?
We are a nation in peace tine who seems to be incapable of understanding the urgency for a country defending its very existence.
AUS under orders from Israelistan 🇺🇸 supports Nazis in Ukraine and Nazionists committing GENOCIDE in Palestine then ponders the recruiting crisis. These officers should all be speaking out demanding they are not sent. Enough of our involvement as hired THUGS in Israelistans illegal wars.
You’re just as out of touch as the good senator. Ukraine had their chance to entirely avoid this conflict yet decided to roll the dice and came up snake eyes. There is absolutely no path to a military victory for Ukraine, so sending these tanks is just a complete waste and removes them from strategic stockpiles that may one day be vital for us to defend our own territory as our own military sustainment is entirely dependent upon ships and planes from across the Pacific and if any adversary can stop shipments to Australia to even a reasonable extent, we’re screwed…
@@awlhunt Being that Ukraine is really just a front for NATO and the US I am not sure they had a choice to avoid this conflict. Boris Johnson was sent to Zelensky on April 9th, 2022 to scuttled a peace agreement, that had been all but agreed by both sides.
"According to Arahamiya, there were several reasons for Ukraine’s refusal, and one of them was direct Western influence on the peace talks.
The lawmaker recalled that while the negotiations between Kyiv and Moscow were underway in Istanbul, Johnson unexpectedly arrived in Kyiv on April 9th, 2022, telling Zelensky that he
shouldn’t sign anything with them at all-and let’s just fight.
Furthermore, Aramahiya noted, such an agreement would have needed to modify the constitution first (since it contains the desire to join NATO). The third point was that Kyiv didn’t trust Moscow to hold up its end of the bargain and not invade again-especially not without international security guarantees.
Officially, Ukraine left the peace talks because of the discovery of the Bucha massacre after the Russian army withdrew from the Kyiv area. However, the bodies of the murdered civilians in Bucha were discovered on April 1st, while the talks continued until after Johnson’s surprise trip.
On April 12th, just three days after Johnson’s visit to the Ukrainian capital, Putin publicly declared the peace talks to be over, saying the negotiations “turned into a dead end.”"
@@polarxta2833 yes I do agree that they were thoroughly committed to the cause by that stage, so both personally and politically it would have been near impossible for any individual actor to have taken that option, more’s the pity. This has been a long-running neocon project to confront and attempt to diminish Russia, regardless of whether or not the Ukrainians knew that this is what they were signing up for originally. The challenge of course is that had they been more realistic in their assessment of the Russian potential to fight and sustain war, they would have taken an off-ramp many, many years ago, but then again neither the US, nor the the Kyiv regime actually care about the welfare of the Ukrainian citizenry, so it’s all about personal enrichment and ideological goals rather than the fate of the Ukrainian nation.
Love your work senator
So how long has Australia been cutting defence acquisitions to fund ukraine?
This is happening because of defence aquisitions, not gonna need the A1s now we're getting the new ones from the US.
What makes you think we are cutting acquisitions? We give old equipment when new equipment is received. Where's the cutting?
@@DaveCleasc The panel make it clear that the intent was to recover spare parts from the M1A1's for use in the new A2's; the value of which estimated around $150-160 million. Army has to now wear that cost of replenishing those spare parts and is NOT being allocated new funding by Gov. = cut in funding if not actual 'acquisitions'.
@@DaveCleasc Like the new 120 bushmasters, missiles, artillery shells etc adding up past 1.3B dollars all coming out of the ADF'S BUDGET?
Were giving our old tanks because we're acquisitiond new ones 🤔
Im glad they've been receiving the dozens of emails requesting a significant increase in our support provided. Im extremely happy this has happened and very proud of our contribution to defending Ukraine keep it up they need it ASAP. We will never forget MH17.
Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦
@@TheNicky12882 Heroiam Slava
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@@brianlove8413 An inconvenient truth.
@@brianlove8413 enjoy driving a UAZ-452, eating buckwheat and a key interest rate of 21% forever, katsap.
@@Graeme-r2f the inconvenient truth is Australians hate Russians with a passion, most people do accept North Koreans.
Get involved with what other people are involved in..🤔
Senator our reserves have no artillery yet you can give tanks to Ukraine. What a disgrace !!
What are you talking about no artillery? Even if they were waiting on it no one is getting anywhere near us in the near term with our navy and Air Force etc.
@@MusicalMemeology You mean the Collins class subs? Cool story bro.
Go on, give them our tanks 😂 You think it will tip the scales? The first delivery of M1's by the USA got absolutely decimated.
Most of the M1 tanks are still fighting , those that have been destroyed protected the crews . Many ruzzianz have been killed by M1 tanks , which is the ultimate reason for their use.
@robinwhitebeam3955 Visual confirmation of 24 / 31 Abrams destroyed or captured i.e. ~80%.
By "most are still fighting", you must be referring to the scarce 20% still operational 😂
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@@robinwhitebeam3955
Why do you want to kill Russian people ya grub.
You must be aware of the situation leading up to the SMO if you can use Google.
@@Behemoth29 The trained Ukrainian crews that survived are waiting for new tanks.
@@Behemoth29and Russia has lost 1000's of of tanks. That happens in war.
I hope we are not paying to fix these tanks before shipping. They will be in a terrible condition thanks to CASG who could barely keep them running when we needed them.
In the the words of an old aussie rock band " The US forces give the nod, its a setback for your country"
I have not given consent to this!! What about the 5000 personnel from Australia in Ukraine?
Did these politicians ask the Australian taxpayers. Pretty generous with our money. Going to interesting next natural disaster in Australia 🇦🇺 what country offers Australia 🇦🇺 aid..
its a rare thing for me to say the government has done something good, well ya done something good . i just hope its not to late.
Would they donate half their own pay for Ukraine?
Equipment takes time money does not..
They are only worth 150 million when we give them away. But cost us 20 trillion to buy them
What a total idiotic thing to do. Australians atre odd their rocker to support this gatbage.
@@ancient1946 Really? Nearly all western nations suffer from the same problem and that is mass Criminal invasions of their country. Just about a decade ago Australia stopped this criminal invasion process dead it's tracks. Trump has just told Mexico to halt the Criminal Invaders coming across the border into the USA. and Mexico has done just that in one day. So I guess you are still sticking to your Woke "geopolitical" theory. Well good luck with that.
Hey Peter, it’s spelt ‘garbage’ not ‘gatbage’ .
@@bens461 Oops thank you!
@@peterturner6497 it’s no problem Peter. It’s also spelt ‘off their rocker ‘ and not ‘atre odd their rocker ‘ .
So, there is now a $150 million spare parts requirement for the new tanks that needs to be funded.
This is not the first time that Australia has sent military hardware to a foreign country. However it is the first time unmanned. Australian has surplus finances to burn.
Waste of money giving these away for free.
Why did we buy the Abrams in the first place?
Gottem for nothing
How about our 155mm shells which have used to kill civilians over there?
Shame on us.
This is 5th columinist behaviour
When this war In Ukraine is over and if in the unfortunate event that Australia faces conflict with China will the Ukrainians reciprocate our generosity and send their considerable defence assets to assist Australia???…. No didn’t think so 😒
Considerable Ukrainian defence assets? And what would those be exactly? The tiny drip-feed of a missile here, a tank there and a few obsolete F-16s?
@@clintfulford8103 How would you know? It's more likely after we've supported them. Plus they're in a more precarious position than Australia.
Yeah look, I see your point BUT given the Ukrainians have fought for years with limited support, numerous restrictions on the use of their capabilities and all the war crimes the Russians have committed against their people... well, you'd have to be quite a d!*k to ask it of them really 🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️
@@eriktreptow827 WTF? Ukraine has been given tens of thousands of missiles, thousands of vehicles and tanks. They had the largest and strongest army in NATO other than the US.
Total waste our our resources.
This poor head of Army being shafted by labor
Albanesy should escort them to Ukraine,,, another chance to leave the country and get his photo taken for his scrapbook.
Duttons worth 400 million and charged the tax payer 200,000 in flights the last year alone
Again they don't or cant answer the questions. They wafle. It is a worry that these people are responsible for our defence. conscripted and that wasnt
What about digging into the Thales defence contract corruption allegations. . .
Happy the equipment has gone to Ukraine 🇺🇦
These generals are blubbering idiots
Good to see things happening, thanks.
Should’ve been placed in war stores and parts. Lost over $100 million and replacement parts receive no funding.
How dare the gift a functional us made item to Ukraine. These tanks can be refitted in the USA, we don't have enough of anything to mount even a half assed see defence of this country
Russian bots strong here..
The tanks are old not fit for purpose and more then half of them are only good for spare parts. This is criminal we are just dumping our garbage in Ukraine and trying to get kudos for it. Shameful.
Is that the best you can do. Cope better that some people have brains.
@@MrBeagleblue
If the Ukrainians perform their usual miracles they will at least give their crews better protection than their old T72s....
Should of been given to the reserves. They are running around with wooden rifles and cardboard replica's
Not when I was in. We had real rifles. Keep being negative
Glad to see we are being sensible about it and politicians are interrogating the process if we are not careful we will be on the frontlines the situation in Ukraine is very similar to Europe in 1940-41
Why are you giving away our reserve military hardware when where heading strait into world war
yes and not replacing it
Thanks to our Australian cousins for their contribution and continuing help for Ukraine.
A true allies and friend to Ukraine and to Europe and especially here the UK. Hopefully AUKUS will bring us even closer now after leaving the EU we can cooperate closer with our old trading partners. We should never have joined the EEC back in the day.
An absolute disgrace
They would have made a good armoured reserve for own army.
Unfortunately the M1A1 AIMS and the M1A2 Sepv3 are whilst being the "same" tank, are like comparing an analogue and a digital watch. Could we upgrade them? Yes we could, however that would involve sending them back to the Lima Tank plant in the United States and cost the same as a new tank. Also the Army Reserve simply does not possess the manpower to use these. Not only that but even having the Tanks in storage would require a larger support apparatus and full time RAEME personnel (which the Army has a shortage of) to maintain them (the Abrams has a tendency to stop turning on when you leave it for a while). I hope my spiel has got you thinking. That said I agree I would love a larger RAAC and a 'war" reserve would be great, it's just not realistic.
Agreed, they would be much better served here than sending them to become molten garbage in the Ukrainian disaster. Rather discuss peace in Ukraine than throwing our assets at an absolute dumpster fire.
Abrams have been comprehensively exposed as being unsuitable for war. Don't forget to change the air filter every 100 hours or the tank gets totalled.
No disrespect to Ukraine or to those who know far more about the relevance of tanks in modern warfare than I do but, the economics of this decision aside, we need more tanks, not less. Tanks will not be a spent force fighting on our own soil against most likely adversaries. Australia is not Ukraine and the battle will be remote over sparse areas with sparse concentrations of force including drones. Even with cluster munitions, manoeuvrable firepower will matter and we don’t have enough of it or enough artillery - well, enough of anything. We should have mothballed these M1A1s (not cannibalised them for spares). If an adversary lands here (I know we think that is unthinkable and our whole strategy is based on that very optimistic assumption) we would need them. Look at what Russia is doing with its ancient T62 stockpiles. The M1A1 tanks are far superior to them and will be viable against most likely adversaries for some time yet. This is a poor decision with no benefit to the country - a momentary headline and a warm feeling benefits nobody. This generosity won’t make a difference in Ukraine now and may be sadly regretted in 10 years by us - if an enemy armoured brigade is hurtling toward Brisbane, Sydney or Melbourne across open plains and we have nothing left but a drone or a Javelin. Give Ukraine a few hundred Hawkei PMVs. They want them and we don’t because we seem to be worried about the braking system. I really don’t understand our approach here, bipartisan as it is.
A lot of Russian trolls on here.
@Anthony77739 the US election is over, so they've got free time now. Our election is coming up, so unfortunately, these types of divisive online campaigns will increase exponentially. Foreign interference and all that jazz... 🙄🙄😒
The tanks are old not fit for purpose and more then half of them are only good for spare parts. This is criminal we are just dumping our garbage in Ukraine and trying to get kudos for it. Shameful.
@MrBeagleblue actually if you do a bit of research you'll find that they are old (they were purchased for Afghanistan), the Ukrainian Ambassador requested them (so they can't be unsafe or unusable) therefore we aren't dumping them in Ukraine. We are supporting Ukraine's effort to repel the illegal Russian invasion of their sovereign lands.
You should probably watch the video before commenting, man.
@@teresaj6374 I know how and what the deal was when they were purchased I was in the Armored corps, were you?
What democracy, Zelensky is a criminal Narcissist dictator who doesn`t want to relinquish power, totally corrupt government, no elections, no freedom of speech, no freedom of Religion, no freedom of language or ethnicity you talk absolute horse manure. And none of those tanks are fit for battle especially the theatre they are going to. Remember when we offered the F18`s and they called them flying trash well these are just tracked trash and it is criminal to put anyone in them on a battlefield even if they could get them up to standard which I doubt. I know I was in the Australian Armored corps.
@@MrBeagleblue
If the Ukrainians perform their usual miracles they will at least give their crews better protection than their old T72s....
It is cheaper to keep what we have..
Government commitees asking defence about government decisions...sounds like arse covering
I agree, always interesting to see the pollies act like they didn't agree to literally every procurement decision defence makes. Interestingly enough from my understanding the army wanted newly built blackhawks 20yrs ago but the NH90 is alot more fancy so the government made that decision. Funny that they are being replaced with Blackhawks now.
Broken Dawn
@@jason4273 Senator Fawcett is in the Liberal party.
Jmho, but I do not support the provision of support to Ukraine.
Australia needs to be far more vigilant about the US’s propensity towards fostering proxy wars, especially as they seem to be gearing up for war with China, and we seem to be marching along blindly, as their “allies”.
The recent article in the Financial Review about the Pentagon’s view of Australia, was nothing short of disturbing.
I love America, but the world order is changing, and the US is an empire in decline: a time at which empires are at their most reckless and dangerous.
They are facing expansions of conflict in Europe and the Middle East, and a new war on our doorstep.
The world needs diplomacy, not war.
This will be redundant within days as the meatgrinder will be turned off.
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Hopefully the meatgrinder is turned off asap but Ukraine will remain as heavily armed as possible.
The tanks are a great addition to Ukraine, even in peacetime.
@@malcolmpearce3932 zero chance of that. Absolute zero.
Even if some insane Ukrainian leader agreed, Europe categorically would not.
You clever scrap metal dealer you. Steptoe Inc
I don’t welcome it.
Could’ve auctioned them off and redeemed some of our taxes.
Scandalous.
I wonder whether your attitude would be the same if the wolf was at our door...
@@lyndonkain4749correct answer.
It is allegedly.
@@lyndonkain4749 fallacy
All wearing medals their soldiers learnt them.
AO, CSC, DSM...How about admission that if we go to war we would lose!Stop giving away money, weapons and Kit and build our military giving retired equipment to Warstocks.
Army asking Navy about their tanks... Classic. I suppose the Army will be running the new Nuclear subs then..
Ah, no wait. We will create a "space command" for that in conjunction with air Force.. Being in all ways expert with boats...
Unlike Navy that likes Tanks and Army that controls air assets.
they are senior leaders and are across all 3 services
@@kenfowler1980 I was joking. I know how it works. The ADF is an "intergrated" service.
@@fluffybunnyslippers2505 Cool sorry
@@kenfowler1980 Mate, that is not a problem.
Got to love the Army General and his eighteen medal ribbons, digging into the weeds you could have an even money bet there is a classic case of "medals by appointment" in that cluster!
suggest you look up his history before denigrating the guy.
@ I have indeed, he served like most grunts in operations, however I don’t see SNCO’, NCO’s or JR’s with thirty years of service with that many gongs? It’s well known fact the senior army leadership are well known for nominating each other for commendations. Campbell being a perfect example!
@@petermcgraw7759 In my time mate those of us below the rank of officers didn't get gongs - so i guess you are right
Excellent news 👍
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Sounds like a very well conducted operation.
It would be a legitimate goal of any future Coaliton to double the deterent and combat power of all services and increase the combat energy and interoperability with any allies with some mulitplying technology and changes in doctrine and organisation and dumping of horses and swords equipment. The Senator's broad genuine perspective of talking about refreshing and replacing unwanted un-needed and shelf-expired equipment gifted to Ukraine is laudable but in specific cases there is a pointless waste in replacing what will be swords and horses against drones and ballistic missiles. When it comes to towed and heli-lifted howitzers such as MH1777 there is the precedent of how the world's most elite and glorious muzzle-loading shrapnel shell equipped muzzle loading field artillery could suddenly be overpowered and outranged by seven or eight farmers with smokeless powder rifles. The Royal Horse Artillery still has pride of place at the front of any British Column of March. For Australia it's the Armour Corps.
It does seem that artillery in Ukraine is acting as batteries of one often directed by it's own drone and regardless of all history and training it is ludicrious to think that any Australian artillery are in a fair fight against any conventional enemy when the simple use of cluster munitions as generally eight times more effective by themselves totally obviate any supposed advantage Australian artillery would have just in counter-battery fire let alone all other sorts of fire missions particulary when a large number of Austalian vehicles especially including Bullshitmaster are endangered by Australian support fires. And unable to advance close behind artillery in the way of the the first tanks of WW1 or through friendly and supressing fire in the way the West German Army began with it's rebirth and mechanized infantry in Infantry Fighting Vehicles (Infantry Tank Long) and which is part of the US Bradley and all US Army doctrine against a conventional enemy in that Mechanised Infantry are supposed to drive through disordered enemy with stopping to clear every foxhole and go on to destroy the main danger of the concentrated power of the enemy.
The Australian Economy of Force Doctrine against a Conventional Enemy will invariably end up as a platoon being sent to everything and dismounting out of the taxis and starting into infiltration or laying an ambush or a foot patrol and as in Ukraine such normal taxi operations and in the first artillery salvo everyone is combat ineffective and a liability with the wounded, medics and rescuers being picked off by drones and any mission a complete failure and the entire honourable history of the Australian Army including disasters such as the Fall of Singapore forgotten in the unfolding disaster with absolutely none of the supposed adaptability of the self-proclaimed Best Small Army in the World. Which is now the best in Urban Terrain having learnt from the US Army and US Marines and their vast experience and pointless heavy casualties and who have now abandoned the exact Australian methods and doctrines as mistaken and flawed.
The fact that Australia describes the very vulnerable Bullshitmaster battalion as Motorised which would be rapidly slaugthered forming up or maneuvring as has been seen in Ukraine with single and double vehicles of enemies with autocannons inflicting huge casualties on units that have no means of fighting back and are destroyed even though superior in all aspects of armour and weaponry and smoke dischargers to the deathtrap Bullshitmasters. And describes M113 as Mechanised and does not have a doctrine and organisation publically known for Hanwei where the UK calls the obsolete gifted Saxon trucks in some ways superior to Bullshitmaster Motorised Infantry, the Bulldogs as Mechanised and the Warrior as Armoured Infantry. Everything about Bullshitmaster was wrong compared to the firepower put out by South African police in Crowbar operations who could line up four or five machine guns firing out the side of their anti-mine trucks with plenty more being reloaded and having their barrel changed while also having the ability to easily bend ze knees and be behind armoured cover. Four or five machine guns across an arc so devastating compared to an Australian in a Bullshitmaster without a gunshield and shot from any hidden direction. All of the Bullshitmasters should be in Ukraine as armoured ambulances because they are a barrier to the Australian Army and all other services doubling their deterent and combat value.
So are the MH1777 Howitzers unless they were being used like old Infantry Guns and Mountain Guns and the Saluting Gun in some hill fort on the edge of Empire by a Special Forces team in the usual certain-yet-again broken-record-repeat-failure Outpost Counter-Insurgency Fuk-Up whether it's called an Infrastructure or Training or Nation-Building or Hearts and Minds or anything other than Assasination Mission. Dumping MH177 on Ukraine doesn't mean the Australian Army and politicians wouldn't find a way to go through the same lies and re-enactments of the past by acquiring more at some point or some substitute such as impressive rapid-fire robotic 120mm mortars but at least dumping all the Howitzers and old ammunition on Ukraine allows Australia the chance to double it's combat energy. would be a legitimate goal of any future Coaliton to double the deterent and combat power of all services and increase in the combat energy and interoperability with any allies. The Senator's broad genuine perspective of talking about refreshing and replacing unwanted un-needed and shelf-expired equipment gifted to Ukraine is laudable but in specific cases there is a pointless waste in replacing what will be swords and horses against drones and ballistic missiles. When it comes to towed and heli-lifted howitzers such as MH1777 there is the precedent of how the world's most elite and glorious muzzle-loading shrapnel shell equipped muzzle loading field artillery could suddenly be overpowered and outranged by seven or eight farmers with smokeless powder rifles. The Royal Horse Artillery still has pride of place at the front of any British Column of March. For Australia it's the Armour Corps.
It does seem that artillery in Ukraine is acting as batteries of one often directed by it's own drone and regardless of all history and training it is ludicrious to think that any Australian artillery are in a fair fight against any conventional enemy when the simple use of cluster munitions as generally eight times more effective by themselves totally obviate any supposed advantage Australian artillery would have just in counter-battery fire let alone all other sorts of fire missions particulary when a large number of Austalian vehicles especially including Bullshitmaster are endangered by Australian support fires. And unable to advance close behind artillery in the way of the the first tanks of WW1 or through friendly and supressing fire in the way the West German Army began with it's rebirth and mechanized infantry in Infantry Fighting Vehicles (Infantry Tank Long) and which is part of the US Bradley and all US Army doctrine against a conventional enemy in that Mechanised Infantry are supposed to drive through disordered enemy with stopping to clear every foxhole and go on to destroy the main danger of the concentrated power of the enemy.
The Australian Economy of Force Doctrine against a Conventional Enemy will invariably end up as a platoon being sent to everything and dismounting out of the taxis and starting into infiltration or laying an ambush or a foot patrol and as in Ukraine such normal taxi operations and in the first artillery salvo everyone is combat ineffective and a liability with the wounded, medics and rescuers being picked off by drones and any mission a complete failure and the entire honourable history of the Australian Army including disasters such as the Fall of Singapore forgotten in the unfolding disaster with absolutely none of the supposed adaptability of the self-proclaimed Best Small Army in the World. Which is now the best in Urban Terrain having learnt from the US Army and US Marines and their vast experience and pointless heavy casualties and who have now abandoned the exact Australian methods and doctrines as mistaken and flawed.
The fact that Australia describes the very vulnerable Bullshitmaster battalion as Motorised which would be rapidly slaugthered forming up or maneuvring as has been seen in Ukraine with single and double vehicles of enemies with autocannons inflicting huge casualties on units that have no means of fighting back and are destroyed even though superior in all aspects of armour and weaponry and smoke dischargers to the deathtrap Bullshitmasters. And describes M113 as Mechanised and does not have a doctrine and organisation publically known for Hanwei where the UK calls the obsolete gifted Saxon trucks in some ways superior to Bullshitmaster Motorised Infantry, the Bulldogs as Mechanised and the Warrior as Armoured Infantry. Everything about Bullshitmaster was wrong compared to the firepower put out by South African police in Crowbar operations who could line up four or five machine guns firing out the side of their anti-mine trucks with plenty more being reloaded and having their barrel changed while also having the ability to easily bend ze knees and be behind armoured cover. Four or five machine guns across an arc so devastating compared to an Australian in a Bullshitmaster without a gunshield and shot from any hidden direction. All of the Bullshitmasters should be in Ukraine as armoured ambulances because they are a barrier to the Australian Army and all other services doubling their deterent and combat value.
Lol what?
Good stuff.
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Oy mate, you can't "welcome the outcome" on behalf of the Australian people !
Everyone I have spoken to about this proxy war are against providing weapons of war to Ukraine.
This is taxation without representation.
21st May of this year 2024, according to testimony, as the first formal engagement by the Ambassador in regards to the M1A1 Abrams tanks. The belated perplexing delay of this first formal diplomatic request in regards to the Abram tanks and all other elements of Ukraine's needs and wants since the full-scale invasion is a complete total disgrace and a scandal when everything has always been told to the Ambassador and Embassy and the Ukrainian community of the need for formal diplomatic requests. There has never been any excuse given by the Ukrainian Ambassador in Australia nor anyone else that I am aware of in all this time. And as a corollary to that, any formal diplomatic request for normal departmental funding through the normal processes that are part of budget estimates and all normal conventional Commonwealth funding of programs, policies, and outcomes. The evidence in the TH-cam video from the Senate is compelling and can only be interpreted by a fair-minded person on this and other evidence as conduct and failures that seem totally against the national interest of Australia and Ukraine, and the motives must be viewed in conjunction with other issues as being completely unacceptable and repugnant. And especially so in wartime with human life being lost and a failure of duty so profound across many aspects if other allegations that are too serious to mention publicly have any similar evidence.
Those tanks - like every bushmaster have and will be destroyed. So we can spend another trillion buying more from merca.