You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar. Definitely saved video, liked and commenting for engagement. When I get back to it, will get the design from you too.
I did reach out to Bow before I released the video as I wanted to share my ideas with them, but they went quite after a while before a zoom call happened.
Just bought and used the 46" bow for my DeWalt job site saw today to rip 14 foot rough cut lumber. Used the t track to mount featherboards on the infeed and out feed, as well as one on the deck of the saw to add pressure against the fence on the infeed side. It was AMAZING. totally worth it. The fence maintained square with the table and stock fence. Haven't hung the bow off of the deck of the saw yet so I can't say much about the potential for sag, but I will say that the bow is shockingly heavy for what it is, and that's likely on purpose to get the rigidity. If a thinner extrusion like yours was viable for high pressure setups, I think they would have gone that route to make a more affordable and ubiquitous table saw fence extension.
I think possibly the main reason was they wanted an easy number, 1" thick, to make the addition really easy. I think for panelsaws the weight is not an issue. I do really like what they have done!!!!
A very well thought out design! Very impressive! Engineering development; skilled craftsmanship! That's how I like it. There are many YT videos that after watching, you know not to expect anything from this channel. After watching your video, I immediately subscribed to your channel and am excited to see what else I will discover!
I hope I can live up to your expectations! I have a tendency to over engineer and problems solve, not all my videos will be of interest to everyone, but stay with me and you will get some interesting nuggets every now and then ;)
The power of 3D printing & your ingenuity is a win. I’ll stick w/ the old school method and make a removable sacrificial fence w/ in & outfeed support from sheet goods off cuts, a piece of T-track (to hold the Bow featherboards), and a bit of hardware. I agree that there’s no practical substitute that provides the functionality of the Bow featherboards, but since I can’t justify buying a 3D printer, I guess the Bow brothers get my $, unless I can find a maker (such as on Etsy) who can print the feather holders less expensively. Bravo for all of your engineering and prototyping, and especially for your willingness to share your ideas (& lessons learned) with all.
Great video. I debated building my own but bought a Bow fence extender because I work in imperial and wanted to use the saws tape measure (yes, it’s exactly 1.00” thick). The clamps are an issue on the DeWalt because the thin rip fence gets in the way, so I made a wooden tool tray that wraps over the factory fence and attaches to Bow fence with star knobs. The whole set up makes my job site saw feel so much safer with long boards!
I already have the Bow fence extender, but I really enjoyed learning about your design process, etc, Since I leave my extender clamped to the fence, the extender's difference in weight is pretty insignificant to me. FWIW, I've found that the Bow clamps make good handles for picking up the whole assembly (for example, when I want to use a crosscut sled). One thing I prefer about the Bow design is the fact that I can run the extender forward or backward as desired. Mind you, I've never done this in practice, but...
@@richmorin424 I did consider the need to move the fence forward and backwards but just cant see a use case for me to do this, hence why I was happy to go this route with the clamping method. if I need to use a cross cut sled then I can easily take the whole fence off. But the claps do make great handles as you say.
So many ideas, and good thought process!!!! Love using the photo to model the end cap then stepped extrusion! I need to remember that one! Saves design iterations!!!
If you mount the foam fingers on your feather boards so the the have a slight cant towards your fence, it will help in keeping the material held against the fence as you push it through by adding a slight resistance if the material tries to move away from the fence.
You sir are BRILLIANT!!! Love watching your thought process with utilizing the 3D printer. QUESTION: Do the 3D print files come with a list of required hardware sizes?
No they don't, just print suggestions, but depending what you add to the fence will determine what you need. M6 or ¼" bolts and corresponding t-nuts for aluminium extrusion items like the calculator tray or tool tray. And for the supports a T-bolt on the rear and m6 or1/4" with t-nuts underneath. Lengths can be determined once printed. Sorry I ran out of time! Enjoy.
Brilliant. I've just started with 3d printing but I also have my share of woodshop projects on a contractor saw. I have been eyeing those bow extrusion pieces and thought they were way too much money and so glad that you have a less expensive solution that is more versatile.
Yep the price and weight and lack of flexiblity are the issues I had. You need to watch my last video then, all about getting started with a 3D printer and how easy it is !!!!
Time and well conceived effort sir, brilliant! Question, would you consider printing and shipping the accessories across the pond to Canada, as I don’t have a 3D printer? Merci buckets for your work.
I was in the process of making my own design, but after seeing yours.... I said screw that. Your design is way better than my ideas. Keep up the great work. Hopefully, there are some more tools that you can build or redesign.
Thanks! I had some already, for years, just sat there. I believe I got it from here... www.axminstertools.com/ujk-technology-universal-t-track-915mm-502717 But if you just google "t-slot mitre track" your will find it in different colours/makes. basically it normally is 19mm (standard mitre slot size) wide. You making your own one?
I have the 46 inch Bow system and I absolutely love it, and I don't have any problems on my small jobsite saw. The thing really does increase the safety and precision radically and it was well worth the money. That said, you've definitely nailed a couple of the things that need improvement! I love the idea of the channel in the in/outfeed support for a t-track for wide cuts. I keep finding reasons to get a 3d printer, and this is yet another reason. Could probably use these ideas to improve the existing Bow system without having to entirely start over. Awesome video.
Oh and one other thing - I have a thin rip jig that goes to the left of the blade for safely taking thin strips off of stock and it works very well and I feel better about the cut than trying to sneak a push stick to the right of the blade!
Outstanding! Very well thought out and designed. Love the accessories and all of the engineering you put into this. Bow really should take note of the testing that you did and how you solved the deflection issue...maybe their next version will solve that. Either way I love the DIY path as it gives the option of 3D printing and being able to customize colors and function to fit your shop. I'm an orange and black guy (HD colors!) and I'd rather that than the green. I am ordering a Bambu printer soon, so I will be grabbing those files from you for sure. Thanks for your contribution to the community!
Thank you very much. Be sure to watch my beginners guide to 3d printing (last video) lots of tips and information you may find useful. Albeit on a Prusa MK4S. Fyi. I have both and the customer service a reliability of the Prusa is better, I am getting more reliability with the Prusa. Also in the comments I link to a video that explains modifiers.
I really liked what you’ve done with this. I’ve got a 3d printer coming and would love to do this but the aluminum extrusion I have is a different size. I have a whole lot of learning to do before I have the skills to design and build this for my size of extrusion. By the way after watching this video you made number 5 of people I’ve subscribed to. Very well done.
Have you thought about modifying your feather receiver shape on your feather boards and making your feather inserts out of TPU and manipulating your flexibility in them by changing your infill . This would pretty much throw any patent conflicts out the window because featherboards are nothing new. The insert idea and shape may be patent-able but it would be a stretch this way you could make accessories for Bow products just like after market automobile parts makers do for cars . It's a thought .
Great improvisation interesting watch. I’m not a wood worker but do own a cross cut mitre saw and use the same Ali extrusion as a back fence. My only thoughts are if your new fence is raised off the table saw bed to stop scratching it sawdust will get under it and into the bottom extrusion channel causing potential problems when placing your wood flat to the table when about to cut. I think your 1” sliding feet ? should go the full length rather than 3-4 little ones spread out. Look forward to part 2.
I really enjoyed the content and how thorough your presentation was, in addition to how thought out the components are. I’ve been eyeballing the bow fence as an addition for a series of built ins I am going to do. If my buddy can 3d print them for me, I’ll be giving it a whirl! Cheers.
great see your progression and thought in your sequence of tweaking your setup. just discovered your channel, can't wait to go through your other videos
Thanks! There are a couple of ok videos going back , but some are just getting my workshop sorted really. Hopefully this latest one is a sign of things to follow ;)
I thoroughly enjoyed watching this video because your ideas really are terrific. If I could make a suggestion it would be to have an optional tray to hold a remote for a dust collector and a place to store a magnetic digital angle cube for setting blade tilt. Thanks for sharing all of your creativity on this build.
Absolutely brilliant fella. Wonderful mix and match, and what i appreciate so much is your balanced view and promoting good value products where they exist. For some, price is an absolute, for others, convenience is a higher priority! Your system does have many observable and measureable upgrades too, which is a testament to your comprehensive understanding, based I'd guess from years of use. Only just discovered your channel, but I'll be hitting the back catalogue of videos shortly. Great video, keep em coming. As an idea,is there any mileage in considering extruded sleds vs wood just for weight savings etc?
Wow what an amazing job you did engineering this definitely going to give it a try would love to have the Bow system for my DeWalt job site saw but just can’t afford it. But I do have a 3D printer so Thank you for sharing your amazing work and ideas Sir.
Awesome video! Food for thought... Could you add a provision on the back of your tray for one of the small clamps to attach? This would allow the tray to also remove the bow that you mentioned.
Very nice build! Would probably do something similar if I had a 3d printer. Recently just went with the Woodpeckers Rip Fence and a set of Jessem stock guides. Surprised that those two were still cheaper than the Bow fence (spent $215+tax). Heavily recommend something like this, because I wasn’t satisfied with the cut quality on a job site saw
Liked it enough to order the files and parts to make one. The BOW system was nice. But hard to justify a $300 fence on a $280 portable table saw. So far waiting on the filament to arrive. I pick up the filament, and a friend will print it for me. Once that's here and the parts are printed ill post further. Haven't ordered the foam feathers or the hold downs yet. But I figure another $30 ish for those, and it will pretty much cover it. Probably be a couple weeks till the next step but this is more a nice to have rather than a need so no hurry for me on it. So far my costs are below. I expect it will be around $120 all in. $10 - Files $55 - 1000mm Aluminum Extrusion $35 - 2 rolls of PLA filament (4.4 lbs)
This is absolutely brilliant! Way better than the Bow system. What an example of a great engineering! How many hours did it take you to come to the final version through all the iterations? You should sell this as a package. I'd gladly buy one for the same price as the Bow system. This is so much better.
Thanks! Probably a full working week of my time, spread out over a month. I just wouldn’t have the time to package up these and sell them, sorry. I do appreciate the vote of confidence.
Very nice work. My only problem is going to be that my startrite fence ias shorter than the depth of the table - so there wouldn't be a clamp right at the other end.
Thank you for a clear explanation and development process. I have been looking at the Bow system for some time but thought there might be a way to use the same aluminum extrusion. I would love to DIY but, at my time in life, I do not need to or have the time for a new hobby. If I was younger....? As I am sure you know the is a great cottage market for such 3-D printed products. Is there any possibility you or perhaps someone on the American side of the pond could produce these items? I have purchased such products from sellers as far away as Australia. Any plans along this line? Thanks again and I do see the improvements compared to the Bow system.
Very much appreciate the interest! You could purchase the 3d Models and then use a local company to print them. This would be the most cost effective way to get this system.
What a great video!! I just bought a new jobsite saw and was looking at the bow system. I'm definitely gonna try this as luck would have it i also just ordered a 3d printer last week. Thank you
Simply brilliant! Now for the 64-million $ question for us that don't have 3D-Printers or possess the required expertise - are you going to sell your fence supports and finger boards??? Great if you do coz I would be certainly interested in being one of your first customers!! Cheers from Down Under
I won’t only because I am not set up to do so. You can get the 3d files and get some online company to print them for you very cost effectively though!
The problem of the track clamps pulling the extrusion off of plumb could be solved by putting a "bump" inside of your print to center the clamping force on the fence height. If that doesn't make sense, and if you modeled it in Fusion 360, you can send me the model and I can modify it and send it back to show what I mean.
I really love this system, great designing and extremely practical. However, when using the UK link for the extrusion none of the available types match the extrusion you used! Do you have the extrusion type number by chance?
i have my extrusion already. meant to get this done over christmass but it was delayed by that ferry jetty issue. very good video. i went for a 1500mm extrusion mostly because on site its longer pieces of skirting or arcitrave ect that need outfeed support. i dont think my extrusion will fit your plans sadly so will have to design my own
Cool! What is the cross section dimensions of the extrusion you have? Hopefully some of the ideas in my video will be of use.I am sure you have a few more of your own ;)
@@StuffIMade 80 x 40 i think. i bought it a bit spur of the moment and should have researched a bit more and got wider but 99% of what i cut like this is less than 25mm think
Fantastic work! Do the 3d files already include the modifiers for additional infill on the mounting holes or will we have to do that ourselves? Asking given I’m a rookie and have no 3d software experience. Thanks!
Thanks! Modifiers are added when you slice the files in the Slicer software. It is easy enough. In my video about thr track rails storage I cover this in detail - a few videos back, the second half of teh video.
This is fantastic! I’ve already purchased the 3D models and can’t wait to assemble everything. I noticed you moved your saw off to the side because the 3D-printed outfeed support was hitting your outfeed table. Do you have any suggestions for modifying the outfeed support file to keep the clamp support but remove the part that interferes with the outfeed table?
Thank you, It is a non issue for me as I still get the majority of my out feed support from the table/bench. Ascetically I t would be better for the table and saw to be aligned which I can do by just leaving a gap the width of the out feed support. Either way it works fine. But if this is an issue for you, as you have the STEP files (editable) you could shorten it. Hope this helps! Geoff
I did wonder if the extrusion bowed! My suggestion would have been to use track clamps in the extrusion slots so the clamping pressure is on the fence, rather than beyond it. I don't have a 3D printer, so I would just attach MDF to the bottom of the fence for the extenders and central support - unless you know of any reason not to do this.
Very thoughtfully designed! "Worst Workshop" did a *remarkably similar* video recently, and IMO the most important point he made was that some people have more money than time, whereas others have more time than money-and which camp you're in should inform your choice to buy vs. build. Being more constrained by time, I bought the Bow system for my last saw. If I change saws again, I'll probably buy another Bow extender. I could source and print parts for your version, and I'd even enjoy it-but I'd rather have at least a little bit of time to spend building things *with* my tools, rather than forever working on the tools themselves. (Also, since I work in inches, the width of the Bow version is perfect for me, but that .4mm would be absolute murder.)
Thanks, I just watched it. Yep Intros are similar, but after that not so much. I agree with his point about time vs money. I think my take is more around solving problems I saw with the Bow system, at least in my opinion. And trying to add some extras to the concept.
Since you raised the fence up slightly off the table, did you also lower Your input/output platforms so they are back in alignment with the saw table top? I don’t recall you mentioning this in the video.
I had compensated for this in the 3d model, it was a while ago so I had forgotten, but the thickness of the strips under the fence is removed from the supports inside surface.
This looks fantastic. Has anyone tried it for their Dewalt 7491rs? I would be interested in knowing how well it works. Also, do the 3d files come with print setting recommendations?
Not sure about anyone trying on the dewalt, but I can tell you it works amazingly! I am so pleased with the end result. Yes the fiels comes with a short doc suggesting the print recommendations. But having done more testing on the supports a wall thickness /perimeters of 5 means you do not need to add modifiers around the screw holes, or any L shaped modifiers, and with this only 20% gyroid infill is required. It will be the best upgrade to make for your tablesaw.
No, sorry, I am not set up to do this, but you can get the 3D files from me and tehn there are many online places that will print files for you, een if you just ask on your local Facebook groups someone in the community local to you will do this.
Is there a way to add the Jessem clear cut precision stock guides to the extrusion? I have the model that has depth adjustability and made to sit on top of the saw fence?
Yes, a simple 3d model to sit/clamp to the top, overlapping the edges would be one option, not sure if this would work on the height though. But the surface mounted ones would be easier to mout.
Phenomenally thought through. Custom fits your set up. Links to 3D-print our own, to custom-fit our set ups. Nice. But, I'm not doing this. Not yet. I do have the Bow system, don't have the deflection problems you illustrated, and it works for me. Kind of. I actually use my DeWalt jobsite saw as a jobsite saw. I'm in the middle of a months-long project of building out custom storage for my colleagues at work. It's my side gig, and very satisfying. Thing is, I don't have an indoor shop space there, so I'm literally wheeling out my table saw (thanks, DeWalt, for a very well made wheely-dealy system) to make my cuts when I work. I did bring my Bow with me, but the hassle of mounting and dismounting it (so as to fit through doorways) just got too much. As the storage systems I'm building have a bit more tolerance than other builds, I can live with the slightly less accurate ripping with the standard manufacturer fence. The only issue I have with your build is the end caps. Honestly, I think I'd just leave them off altogether. The raw ends of the extrusion are quick work with a file. I'd leave them bare so as to allow for any doodads I may want to slide on in the future. Last word, if I hadn't already invested in the Bow fence, I'd probably give your solution a shot. You're right--people have been making fence extensions forever, but Bow did do a very nice job in a visually-appealing package. Pricey, but the market is clearly tolerating the wallet pain for the mix of features. Your solution does solve the problems you mentioned and allows for greater customization. It encourages us to pay less cash and pay more attention. Investing in our brains is never a bad thing.
I am glad to hear clamp deflection is not a common problem on the BOW system. That is a very fair point on the end caps, and one I considered. I do have a habit of banging my head into sharp things hence the end caps ;) I hope BOW products upgrade their fence to include the support upgrades I mentioned. If they had I would have likely looked past the price and the weight and just purchased it. Then I would never have had to make this video :)
Just an FYI, 3D print strength is not derived much from fill factor. It's way more about number of outer layers and the fill pattern. Really like what you have done here - I have a bow system and I am looking at modifying my bow system to utilize some of your changes. Thank you sir!
You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar. Definitely saved video, liked and commenting for engagement. When I get back to it, will get the design from you too.
Glad you liked it.
Very nice! Only things I need to get now are a table saw and a 3d printer, and space for everything. Gosh darn it
lol... that is one big shopping list
Brilliant. Wish I saw this before I bought the whole Bow fence system. I'm not unhappy with it but the improvements you made are really great.
I did reach out to Bow before I released the video as I wanted to share my ideas with them, but they went quite after a while before a zoom call happened.
Hi Joe, can I ask a favour, could you measure the thickness of the surface protectors please on the bow fence and let me know?
Great work! That’s a lot of engineering and time spent, you’re definitely an inventor.
thanks a lot!
I don't have a printer. Would you sell this?
@ you could get the models and then it is really easy to find someone on Facebook who you can pay to print the files for you.
I just got a printer, in a few weeks I should be able to attempt it, but getting the Al fence may be a problem, I’m in Ontario, CA.
@1959mikel did the link I shared not work in Canada?
Brilliant, it saves money, for those of us that cant afford the bow setup...
yes it does for sure!
Great demonstration of why every workshop should have a 3D printer.
Totally agree. An invaluable tool!
Just bought and used the 46" bow for my DeWalt job site saw today to rip 14 foot rough cut lumber. Used the t track to mount featherboards on the infeed and out feed, as well as one on the deck of the saw to add pressure against the fence on the infeed side. It was AMAZING. totally worth it. The fence maintained square with the table and stock fence. Haven't hung the bow off of the deck of the saw yet so I can't say much about the potential for sag, but I will say that the bow is shockingly heavy for what it is, and that's likely on purpose to get the rigidity. If a thinner extrusion like yours was viable for high pressure setups, I think they would have gone that route to make a more affordable and ubiquitous table saw fence extension.
I think possibly the main reason was they wanted an easy number, 1" thick, to make the addition really easy. I think for panelsaws the weight is not an issue. I do really like what they have done!!!!
Great video. I appreciate learning from the evolution of your design.
Awesome, thank you!
These are fantastic upgrades, pure brilliance!! Loved the way you explained every step of your reasoning & design process. Inspiring!
Thanks so much!
A very well thought out design! Very impressive! Engineering development; skilled craftsmanship! That's how I like it. There are many YT videos that after watching, you know not to expect anything from this channel. After watching your video, I immediately subscribed to your channel and am excited to see what else I will discover!
I hope I can live up to your expectations! I have a tendency to over engineer and problems solve, not all my videos will be of interest to everyone, but stay with me and you will get some interesting nuggets every now and then ;)
@@StuffIMade I'm a German electrical engineer. They say we tend to "overengineering". So your approach is exactly my thing! 🤗
@@needfulthings2701 I have found my people! I just love things to be well considered :) glad you liked this. Did you subscribe? ;)
@@StuffIMade ✍🏻👍🏻
The power of 3D printing & your ingenuity is a win. I’ll stick w/ the old school method and make a removable sacrificial fence w/ in & outfeed support from sheet goods off cuts, a piece of T-track (to hold the Bow featherboards), and a bit of hardware. I agree that there’s no practical substitute that provides the functionality of the Bow featherboards, but since I can’t justify buying a 3D printer, I guess the Bow brothers get my $, unless I can find a maker (such as on Etsy) who can print the feather holders less expensively. Bravo for all of your engineering and prototyping, and especially for your willingness to share your ideas (& lessons learned) with all.
I agree with you 100% Bow is a great product and a really good option. thanks for the kind words!
If you are in Aus. Those fingerboards would probably cost about $10 each to get printed.
Great video. I debated building my own but bought a Bow fence extender because I work in imperial and wanted to use the saws tape measure (yes, it’s exactly 1.00” thick). The clamps are an issue on the DeWalt because the thin rip fence gets in the way, so I made a wooden tool tray that wraps over the factory fence and attaches to Bow fence with star knobs. The whole set up makes my job site saw feel so much safer with long boards!
Perfect solution is the one that works!!
I already have the Bow fence extender, but I really enjoyed learning about your design process, etc, Since I leave my extender clamped to the fence, the extender's difference in weight is pretty insignificant to me. FWIW, I've found that the Bow clamps make good handles for picking up the whole assembly (for example, when I want to use a crosscut sled). One thing I prefer about the Bow design is the fact that I can run the extender forward or backward as desired. Mind you, I've never done this in practice, but...
@@richmorin424 I did consider the need to move the fence forward and backwards but just cant see a use case for me to do this, hence why I was happy to go this route with the clamping method. if I need to use a cross cut sled then I can easily take the whole fence off. But the claps do make great handles as you say.
Excellent video walking us through your discovery process - THANK YOU! Well done!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Brilliant! Excellent designs and great 3D printing tips.
Glad you like them!
So many ideas, and good thought process!!!! Love using the photo to model the end cap then stepped extrusion! I need to remember that one! Saves design iterations!!!
You are so welcome! Thanks!
If you mount the foam fingers on your feather boards so the the have a slight cant towards your fence, it will help in keeping the material held against the fence as you push it through by adding a slight resistance if the material tries to move away from the fence.
maybe, worth considering!!!!
Top video & what a pleasant surprise with the extremely reasonable charge for the files. It got me wanting a sawstop saw now 😅
Thanks! Lol, The saw stop is nice!!!
You sir are BRILLIANT!!! Love watching your thought process with utilizing the 3D printer.
QUESTION: Do the 3D print files come with a list of required hardware sizes?
No they don't, just print suggestions, but depending what you add to the fence will determine what you need. M6 or ¼" bolts and corresponding t-nuts for aluminium extrusion items like the calculator tray or tool tray. And for the supports a T-bolt on the rear and m6 or1/4" with t-nuts underneath. Lengths can be determined once printed. Sorry I ran out of time! Enjoy.
@@StuffIMade Thank you!!!
Brilliant. I've just started with 3d printing but I also have my share of woodshop projects on a contractor saw. I have been eyeing those bow extrusion pieces and thought they were way too much money and so glad that you have a less expensive solution that is more versatile.
Yep the price and weight and lack of flexiblity are the issues I had.
You need to watch my last video then, all about getting started with a 3D printer and how easy it is !!!!
Time and well conceived effort sir, brilliant! Question, would you consider printing and shipping the accessories across the pond to Canada, as I don’t have a 3D printer? Merci buckets for your work.
Thanks!! You could buy the models and then easily find someone on FB marketplace locally to print, or even an online service.
@ Thanks, will look into that.
I was in the process of making my own design, but after seeing yours.... I said screw that. Your design is way better than my ideas. Keep up the great work. Hopefully, there are some more tools that you can build or redesign.
I have a list as long as Peter Crouches arm :)
I think you just found a business! Nice job.
Thanks!!! I think BOW has this covered, they just need to upgrade their offering ;)
Thanks!
Wow, thanks dude! this is my first ever "SuperThanks". Very much appreciate you supporting the channel!!!
Awesome project. Where did you find the red aluminum for the crossover at 13:34?
Thanks! I had some already, for years, just sat there. I believe I got it from here... www.axminstertools.com/ujk-technology-universal-t-track-915mm-502717
But if you just google "t-slot mitre track" your will find it in different colours/makes. basically it normally is 19mm (standard mitre slot size) wide.
You making your own one?
Love the tray!
🙏 thanks
I have the 46 inch Bow system and I absolutely love it, and I don't have any problems on my small jobsite saw. The thing really does increase the safety and precision radically and it was well worth the money. That said, you've definitely nailed a couple of the things that need improvement! I love the idea of the channel in the in/outfeed support for a t-track for wide cuts. I keep finding reasons to get a 3d printer, and this is yet another reason. Could probably use these ideas to improve the existing Bow system without having to entirely start over. Awesome video.
Oh and one other thing - I have a thin rip jig that goes to the left of the blade for safely taking thin strips off of stock and it works very well and I feel better about the cut than trying to sneak a push stick to the right of the blade!
yep I agree, I need to make one ;)
in the works already! ;)
Outstanding! Very well thought out and designed. Love the accessories and all of the engineering you put into this. Bow really should take note of the testing that you did and how you solved the deflection issue...maybe their next version will solve that. Either way I love the DIY path as it gives the option of 3D printing and being able to customize colors and function to fit your shop. I'm an orange and black guy (HD colors!) and I'd rather that than the green. I am ordering a Bambu printer soon, so I will be grabbing those files from you for sure. Thanks for your contribution to the community!
Thank you very much. Be sure to watch my beginners guide to 3d printing (last video) lots of tips and information you may find useful. Albeit on a Prusa MK4S. Fyi. I have both and the customer service a reliability of the Prusa is better, I am getting more reliability with the Prusa. Also in the comments I link to a video that explains modifiers.
Amazing stuff. Great prototyping all along the way which I really appreciate. Keep it up.
Thanks a ton!
I really liked what you’ve done with this. I’ve got a 3d printer coming and would love to do this but the aluminum extrusion I have is a different size. I have a whole lot of learning to do before I have the skills to design and build this for my size of extrusion. By the way after watching this video you made number 5 of people I’ve subscribed to. Very well done.
Thanks!
Good luck on your journey with the 3d printer!!!
The files on the back of the fence will still work. The end caps and supports won’t
@ thanks
Wow. Amazing work on the design!
Thank you very much sir
Nice work! Such a well thought out system.
Thanks!
Have you thought about modifying your feather receiver shape on your feather boards and making your feather inserts out of TPU and manipulating your flexibility in them by changing your infill . This would pretty much throw any patent conflicts out the window because featherboards are nothing new. The insert idea and shape may be patent-able but it would be a stretch this way you could make accessories for Bow products just like after market automobile parts makers do for cars . It's a thought .
Nice idea!!!!
Brilliant! Heading over to buy your files shortly…
Thanks very much! Glad you liked it.
This is brilliant! Well done!
Thanks a lot, the next video may even be better!
Great improvisation interesting watch. I’m not a wood worker but do own a cross cut mitre saw and use the same Ali extrusion as a back fence. My only thoughts are if your new fence is raised off the table saw bed to stop scratching it sawdust will get under it and into the bottom extrusion channel causing potential problems when placing your wood flat to the table when about to cut. I think your 1” sliding feet ? should go the full length rather than 3-4 little ones spread out. Look forward to part 2.
Great idea!
I really enjoyed the content and how thorough your presentation was, in addition to how thought out the components are.
I’ve been eyeballing the bow fence as an addition for a series of built ins I am going to do.
If my buddy can 3d print them for me, I’ll be giving it a whirl! Cheers.
This is brilliant :) I'll be downloading the free files & when I am ready to build this, I will buy the infeed/outfeed & tool tray support files
I do recommend getting the files soon just in case I have to take them down
I absolutely love this, so much so I subscribed. Thank you. I’ll get back with you on the 3D print files on the feather boards.
thanks so much!!!!
lovely design, I might adjust it to work on my router table. good on ya'
Be sure to share pictures on Instagram with me :)
great see your progression and thought in your sequence of tweaking your setup. just discovered your channel, can't wait to go through your other videos
Thanks! There are a couple of ok videos going back , but some are just getting my workshop sorted really. Hopefully this latest one is a sign of things to follow ;)
I thoroughly enjoyed watching this video because your ideas really are terrific. If I could make a suggestion it would be to have an optional tray to hold a remote for a dust collector and a place to store a magnetic digital angle cube for setting blade tilt. Thanks for sharing all of your creativity on this build.
Two great suggestions, I will work those Into my two trays, thanks for the ideas!!!!
You have really thought this through, great job.
I appreciate that!
Fantastic system and great video. Thanks so much from a new subscriber.
Thanks and welcome.
Got me thinking about how to modify for my new table. Thanks!
Any time!
Brilliant! Well done!
Thanks!
Great work and well presented. One of my projects is to restore an old table saw so I will look into this when I do that project.
great to hear, thanks!
Absolutely brilliant fella. Wonderful mix and match, and what i appreciate so much is your balanced view and promoting good value products where they exist. For some, price is an absolute, for others, convenience is a higher priority!
Your system does have many observable and measureable upgrades too, which is a testament to your comprehensive understanding, based I'd guess from years of use.
Only just discovered your channel, but I'll be hitting the back catalogue of videos shortly.
Great video, keep em coming.
As an idea,is there any mileage in considering extruded sleds vs wood just for weight savings etc?
Thanks a lot! The extruded sleds, not sure I can visualise what you mean. But I guess if you protect the table surface maybe??
Wow what an amazing job you did engineering this definitely going to give it a try would love to have the Bow system for my DeWalt job site saw but just can’t afford it. But I do have a 3D printer so Thank you for sharing your amazing work and ideas Sir.
Thanks!
Appreciate the comment.
Get the files soon just in case I have take them down ;)
Amazing job
I have a couple of great ones to follow ;)
Brilliant engineering….. thank you for sharing
Glad you enjoyed it
Awesome video! Food for thought... Could you add a provision on the back of your tray for one of the small clamps to attach? This would allow the tray to also remove the bow that you mentioned.
Great idea!
Brilliant!! Great video and very informative 👌👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
appreciated!
I feel like I have seen this video somewhere else from a different creator. Almost didn’t click on it. Solid design well done.
Very nice build! Would probably do something similar if I had a 3d printer. Recently just went with the Woodpeckers Rip Fence and a set of Jessem stock guides. Surprised that those two were still cheaper than the Bow fence (spent $215+tax). Heavily recommend something like this, because I wasn’t satisfied with the cut quality on a job site saw
I lik the look of the woodpeckers one! what do you think of it?
Liked it enough to order the files and parts to make one. The BOW system was nice. But hard to justify a $300 fence on a $280 portable table saw. So far waiting on the filament to arrive. I pick up the filament, and a friend will print it for me. Once that's here and the parts are printed ill post further. Haven't ordered the foam feathers or the hold downs yet. But I figure another $30 ish for those, and it will pretty much cover it. Probably be a couple weeks till the next step but this is more a nice to have rather than a need so no hurry for me on it. So far my costs are below. I expect it will be around $120 all in.
$10 - Files
$55 - 1000mm Aluminum Extrusion
$35 - 2 rolls of PLA filament (4.4 lbs)
Cool! Be sure to message me over on Insatgram with some links to images of your build :)
FYI : if you want to know how to apply modifiers when 3D printing then watch the second half of this video - th-cam.com/video/eN9AaYcbZUc/w-d-xo.html
very impressed.... great idea....going to try in spring time.... thanks
Thanks, be sure to send pic on instagram :)
This is absolutely brilliant! Way better than the Bow system. What an example of a great engineering! How many hours did it take you to come to the final version through all the iterations?
You should sell this as a package. I'd gladly buy one for the same price as the Bow system. This is so much better.
Thanks! Probably a full working week of my time, spread out over a month.
I just wouldn’t have the time to package up these and sell them, sorry. I do appreciate the vote of confidence.
Very nice work. My only problem is going to be that my startrite fence ias shorter than the depth of the table - so there wouldn't be a clamp right at the other end.
Yep I appreciate it is not going to work for all circumstances, shame ;)
20:31 Ah you caught it! I was watching and wondering if I’d missed you considering the bow out at the center that end clamping could cause.
it only happens if I was to assertive with the side clamps. ;) but it is better with a t least one mini hold down in the middle.
Wow, you have some crazy engineering skills! Wish I had a 3D printerbut unfortunately o don't. Great design. Do you print out parts for sale?
No sorry but you can buy the models and find someone very easily on market place to print them.
You're a genius
Can you tell my wife?
Thank you for a clear explanation and development process. I have been looking at the Bow system for some time but thought there might be a way to use the same aluminum extrusion. I would love to DIY but, at my time in life, I do not need to or have the time for a new hobby. If I was younger....? As I am sure you know the is a great cottage market for such 3-D printed products. Is there any possibility you or perhaps someone on the American side of the pond could produce these items? I have purchased such products from sellers as far away as Australia. Any plans along this line? Thanks again and I do see the improvements compared to the Bow system.
Very much appreciate the interest! You could purchase the 3d Models and then use a local company to print them. This would be the most cost effective way to get this system.
What a great video!! I just bought a new jobsite saw and was looking at the bow system. I'm definitely gonna try this as luck would have it i also just ordered a 3d printer last week. Thank you
Congrats on both purchases! What printer did you get? Definitely watch my last video and the one I mention in the comments about using modifiers!
Simply brilliant! Now for the 64-million $ question for us that don't have 3D-Printers or possess the required expertise - are you going to sell your fence supports and finger boards??? Great if you do coz I would be certainly interested in being one of your first customers!! Cheers from Down Under
Oops - meant feather boards, not finger boards! Cheers
I won’t only because I am not set up to do so. You can get the 3d files and get some online company to print them for you very cost effectively though!
The problem of the track clamps pulling the extrusion off of plumb could be solved by putting a "bump" inside of your print to center the clamping force on the fence height.
If that doesn't make sense, and if you modeled it in Fusion 360, you can send me the model and I can modify it and send it back to show what I mean.
I do know what you mean and I considered this, but I didn't want the extra width really. Thanks for the kind offer though!!!
I really love this system, great designing and extremely practical. However, when using the UK link for the extrusion none of the available types match the extrusion you used!
Do you have the extrusion type number by chance?
this was the exact buyer, but they are out of stock. 15120. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334577226418
Looks like the link I supplied is now out of stock for the 15120 x 1000mm, I will find and update the link
@@StuffIMade Many thanks for your speedy reply, as you say stocks of 15120 in 1m lengths are proving difficult to source 😟
@@mikewood3334 I updated the link now so hopefully it works
this is a ton of useful info. thank you!
Glad you think so!
Well thought ! I love it !
Thanks
Brilliantly amazing!!
Very kind!
i have my extrusion already. meant to get this done over christmass but it was delayed by that ferry jetty issue. very good video. i went for a 1500mm extrusion mostly because on site its longer pieces of skirting or arcitrave ect that need outfeed support. i dont think my extrusion will fit your plans sadly so will have to design my own
Cool! What is the cross section dimensions of the extrusion you have? Hopefully some of the ideas in my video will be of use.I am sure you have a few more of your own ;)
@@StuffIMade 80 x 40 i think. i bought it a bit spur of the moment and should have researched a bit more and got wider but 99% of what i cut like this is less than 25mm think
@@MelbourneAlan will be sturdy for sure!
if what you cut is thin then maybe the supports i designed will fit your needs. The other two trays will fit for sure.
@@StuffIMade that was my though process as well. my saw is a site saw so its in and out of the van regularly. i wanted it robust
Fantastic work! Do the 3d files already include the modifiers for additional infill on the mounting holes or will we have to do that ourselves? Asking given I’m a rookie and have no 3d software experience. Thanks!
Thanks! Modifiers are added when you slice the files in the Slicer software. It is easy enough. In my video about thr track rails storage I cover this in detail - a few videos back, the second half of teh video.
This is fantastic! I’ve already purchased the 3D models and can’t wait to assemble everything. I noticed you moved your saw off to the side because the 3D-printed outfeed support was hitting your outfeed table. Do you have any suggestions for modifying the outfeed support file to keep the clamp support but remove the part that interferes with the outfeed table?
Thank you, It is a non issue for me as I still get the majority of my out feed support from the table/bench. Ascetically I t would be better for the table and saw to be aligned which I can do by just leaving a gap the width of the out feed support. Either way it works fine. But if this is an issue for you, as you have the STEP files (editable) you could shorten it.
Hope this helps! Geoff
This is incredible. Giving you the like and sub. Will let you know if/ when I get around to building this or similar
Thanks so much!!!
Awesome job.
Thank you! Cheers!
On my list to make. Thx!
Nice to hear!
I did wonder if the extrusion bowed! My suggestion would have been to use track clamps in the extrusion slots so the clamping pressure is on the fence, rather than beyond it.
I don't have a 3D printer, so I would just attach MDF to the bottom of the fence for the extenders and central support - unless you know of any reason not to do this.
MDF could work for sure
Great video. The Free feather board link is no longer working.
Someone has advised me not to give them away (or sell them) as they are likely infringing on a Bow Patent, unlike the other upgrades.
What about an adjustable horizontal featherboard or wheel fitted in the infeed left side mitre slot. To hold the work against the fence.
Yes like the JessEm ones for example. This would be a great addition for sure.
What a great system
Thanks you so much!
As an alternative to the double sided tape, could you leave a hole in the slot so you can put a screw in from below?
yes true, I think I made the double sided tape look more difficult than it was, but the whole through is a good idea
Very thoughtfully designed! "Worst Workshop" did a *remarkably similar* video recently, and IMO the most important point he made was that some people have more money than time, whereas others have more time than money-and which camp you're in should inform your choice to buy vs. build.
Being more constrained by time, I bought the Bow system for my last saw. If I change saws again, I'll probably buy another Bow extender. I could source and print parts for your version, and I'd even enjoy it-but I'd rather have at least a little bit of time to spend building things *with* my tools, rather than forever working on the tools themselves. (Also, since I work in inches, the width of the Bow version is perfect for me, but that .4mm would be absolute murder.)
Thanks, I just watched it. Yep Intros are similar, but after that not so much. I agree with his point about time vs money. I think my take is more around solving problems I saw with the Bow system, at least in my opinion. And trying to add some extras to the concept.
FYI love the logo /icon you have going on !!!
@@StuffIMade Yeah, the aesthetics of your two solutions are noticeably divergent :)
You remind me of Sean Connery
😂 thanks, maybe in a future video I will do my Sean Connery impression ;)
Since you raised the fence up slightly off the table, did you also lower Your input/output platforms so they are back in alignment with the saw table top? I don’t recall you mentioning this in the video.
I had compensated for this in the 3d model, it was a while ago so I had forgotten, but the thickness of the strips under the fence is removed from the supports inside surface.
This looks fantastic. Has anyone tried it for their Dewalt 7491rs? I would be interested in knowing how well it works. Also, do the 3d files come with print setting recommendations?
Not sure about anyone trying on the dewalt, but I can tell you it works amazingly! I am so pleased with the end result. Yes the fiels comes with a short doc suggesting the print recommendations. But having done more testing on the supports a wall thickness /perimeters of 5 means you do not need to add modifiers around the screw holes, or any L shaped modifiers, and with this only 20% gyroid infill is required. It will be the best upgrade to make for your tablesaw.
Nice job. I do not have a 3D printer. Do you sell your pieces shown for this fence system?
No, sorry, I am not set up to do this, but you can get the 3D files from me and tehn there are many online places that will print files for you, een if you just ask on your local Facebook groups someone in the community local to you will do this.
Is there a way to add the Jessem clear cut precision stock guides to the extrusion? I have the model that has depth adjustability and made to sit on top of the saw fence?
Yes, a simple 3d model to sit/clamp to the top, overlapping the edges would be one option, not sure if this would work on the height though. But the surface mounted ones would be easier to mout.
Very good video. Thank you.
Nice of you to say!
T track clamp should also work to clamp onto fence
yes, they don't fit in the 6mm slot on the aluminium I used though, but could be modified/narrowed to work. Like you thinking!
Is that a job site saw by saw stop??
Yes sir
Phenomenally thought through. Custom fits your set up. Links to 3D-print our own, to custom-fit our set ups. Nice.
But, I'm not doing this. Not yet. I do have the Bow system, don't have the deflection problems you illustrated, and it works for me. Kind of. I actually use my DeWalt jobsite saw as a jobsite saw. I'm in the middle of a months-long project of building out custom storage for my colleagues at work. It's my side gig, and very satisfying. Thing is, I don't have an indoor shop space there, so I'm literally wheeling out my table saw (thanks, DeWalt, for a very well made wheely-dealy system) to make my cuts when I work. I did bring my Bow with me, but the hassle of mounting and dismounting it (so as to fit through doorways) just got too much. As the storage systems I'm building have a bit more tolerance than other builds, I can live with the slightly less accurate ripping with the standard manufacturer fence.
The only issue I have with your build is the end caps. Honestly, I think I'd just leave them off altogether. The raw ends of the extrusion are quick work with a file. I'd leave them bare so as to allow for any doodads I may want to slide on in the future.
Last word, if I hadn't already invested in the Bow fence, I'd probably give your solution a shot. You're right--people have been making fence extensions forever, but Bow did do a very nice job in a visually-appealing package. Pricey, but the market is clearly tolerating the wallet pain for the mix of features. Your solution does solve the problems you mentioned and allows for greater customization. It encourages us to pay less cash and pay more attention. Investing in our brains is never a bad thing.
I am glad to hear clamp deflection is not a common problem on the BOW system.
That is a very fair point on the end caps, and one I considered. I do have a habit of banging my head into sharp things hence the end caps ;) I hope BOW products upgrade their fence to include the support upgrades I mentioned. If they had I would have likely looked past the price and the weight and just purchased it. Then I would never have had to make this video :)
Looks great. That AliExPress link for the T slot extruded piece (US) says can’t be shipped to US. 😮
ok let me look at thsi
great job. please invent a saw stop 'stop blade in a mSec' system. 😉
I wish! and also one that can micro adjust the blade height. LOL
very nice. well done
Thank you very much!
Just an FYI, 3D print strength is not derived much from fill factor. It's way more about number of outer layers and the fill pattern. Really like what you have done here - I have a bow system and I am looking at modifying my bow system to utilize some of your changes. Thank you sir!
Glad to be of help! I have some interesting ideas in the next video so be sure to sub 😉
Excellent!
Glad you liked it!
Thats great......👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌
thanks
Great video. I ordered some 30x120 extrusion about 4 days ago to make my fence upgrade. If I buy the print files can I adapt them for the 30x120?
They are the STEP files so if you know what you are doing with 3d software then yes.
@@StuffIMade Thank you
Brilliant!
Thanks 🙏
Get or make a thin strip jig to cut the thin strips from outside of the board, with the majority of the board on the fence side
Yep that is a great option for sure!!!