The deep, dark dangers of the R&R position - with Novus Ordo Watch
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- Mario Derksen joins the show to talk about a speech given by Michael Matt of the Remnant newspaper earlier in 2023. Matt shows - in his words - a clear lack of understanding of the papacy, his place as a layman and the Catholic Church as a whole.
It is dangerous rhetoric and Mario of NovusOrdoWatch.org explains exactly why.
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Hearing these shows makes me sick to my stomach. I grew up in the NO and did all of the things. This has trickled down and people do follow this. I don’t know how you do it, Mario. Thank you for all of the research! You are in our family’s prayers.
Great points!
Thank you, Gentleman. 🙏.
Patricia, you replied to me. Can't find it. So will say , I agree. Ty
A very sobering discussion. The part about Cardinal Müller was very helpful. Knowing what he believes and teaches according to his own words gives a good idea of who he truly is. In our difficult times it's very easy to clutch at any perceived shred of hope for the Church, and to see only what we want to see, ignoring the rest.
‘Above my pay grade’ is used frequently to avoid personal responsibility in deciding whether to follow seemingly lawful superiors. It is major problem in our time that applies also in the civil sphere!
As ‘sheep’ we have obligation to ‘know our shepherd’ before we obey him. This is from Christ himself…
Yes, it is! That excuse is indeed used too often. If that were true, how would we ever identify the false Gospel we were warned about?
@@pkk.9107 good point!
Lol’ing at the 1 hour mark, Kevin: “We’re gonna fight the church and we’re gonna fight the pope’, and nobody says anything?!” 😂 Yes! So true.
Michael Matt was my guru, he was my leader, he was my pope, for TEN YEARS. Thank God for people like Mario (and Dan Davis!) and many others for working with me and repeating what you said in this video AD NAUSEUM until I finally got it.
God bless you.
1870 Vatican Council, 4.3:9 condemned indult and sspx position.
"9. So, then, if anyone says that the Roman Pontiff has merely an office of supervision and guidance, and not the full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the whole Church, and this not only in matters of faith and morals, but also in those which concern the discipline and government of the Church dispersed throughout the whole world; or that he has only the principal part, but not the absolute fullness, of this supreme power; or that this power of his is not ordinary and immediate both over all and each of the Churches and over all and each of the pastors and faithful: let him be anathema."
(Read the first 8 verses and it strengthens!)
How you going to enforce this Sir? People who attend the SSPX are condemned?
Why would he have to enforce this? He’s merely pointing out their erroneous position.
@@E.C.2 we don't enforce anything we are laymen. We also don't tend to assume a level of culpability with laymen attending the SSPX or even the NO just for the fact the attend those. When an SSPX or NO attendee finally leaves the false Vatican 2 sect they aren't required to make an abjuration of error because the belief is their error was only material and they eventually came around to the truth.
But if they die there? Well, culpability is up to God and we can only know what the Church teaches about if orange and know there really is no invincible ignorance today. Everyone has the information at their fingertips.
@@CubeInspector Are people who attend the SSPX condemned,yes or no?
I think R&R are 100% set in their belief that the Chair of St. Peter must always have a warm body occupying it. Privately they may even think him to be an antipope. Having a continuity of occupants for them means the Church has not defected.
I believe it would be better stated that the hierarchy has defected, but never the Church!
They don't censor the people who want to "fight the papacy" because they want to destroy the entire concept of the papacy. Scattered sheep can be caught up by the wolves.
I think this is the same Michawl Matt conference where he wouldn't let the video of Archbishop Vigano's speech be played because Vigano questioned whether Francis is the pope or not.
No, Michael, his name is spelled Michael, postponed Vigano’s speech because he didn’t want Archbishop Strickland, who at the time was in danger of losing his Bishopric,to be associated with the strong truth of Vigano which might tip Francis’ hand to decide against Strickland.
Michael was looking out for Archbishop Strickland.
I too understood why MM did not play Vigano's sede leaning message. MM would break out in a rash, all over, super itchy, if Vigano did kinda support a sede position in any way or form.
The year before MM had a secret meeting with Vigano where he extolled his virtues to the hilt & practically worshiped the man. From highs to lows, MM needs to realize, like the slightly smarter Prelates, that the Church must not support a man who could not possibly be a true Vicar of Christ.
Over the last 3+ years many are beginning to see the light. Who knows, after MM gets his kids through College maybe he will "convert". 🙏
I would visit Tyler at Christmas. Mr. Strickland never offered me Mass of the Ages Not in union with an apostate.
Diocesan "indult" or FSSP, 1962 is non Catholic worship.
And, he wrote favorably of amoris laetecia.
Being 80% Catholic means you're not Catholic.
He was brave, ill give him that.
Mario, all very well said. Thank you. I like the logic with less cynicism. 🙂
This was wonderful! Great job guys - the emotional and confusing R&R trash that sways so many needs to be called out for what it is!
Where in the world do these NO apologists and semi-traditionalists come from? I have zero idea how someone who could leave fifty comments on all these videos and could still reject what’s right in front of them.
😢"The history of England cannot be read without tears, when we see that nation, formerly the most zealous in Europe for Catholicity, now become its persecuting enemy. Who will not be touched with Sarah to see a kingdom, so attached to the Faith, that it was called the Land of Saints, now buried in heresy? 15 English kings, and 11 queens removed the world and became religious in different Convents. 12 kings were martyrs, and 10 have been placed in the catalog of the saints. It is said that previous to the schism there was not a village in England which had not a patron saint born on the spot. How dreadful it is to behold this land the abode of schism and heresy..."
" ... To satisfy a debasing passion for a wicked woman, he pledged himself into a whirlpool crimes, and involve the nation in his ruin, and thus this unfortunate country, the glory of the Church, became a sink of wickedness and impiety."
" I have placed at the end of the historical portion of the work, the refutation of the principal heresies which infected the Church, but it is impossible to take any particular hold of the English schism, for it is not a religion in itself, so much as a mixture composed of every heresy excluding Catholicity, the only true religion. "
St Alphonsus, "The History of Heresies and their Refutation".
This last part St Alphonsus somewhat reminds me of the NO... A mixture of every religion excluding Catholic! In the same section he also wrote "Every religion, with the exception of the Catholic, is tolerated, but the Faithful are exposed to all the frightful severities of the penal laws, and there are among the secretaries, almost as many religions as individuals." The NO is 'one' religion that houses almost as many religions as it has individuals with the only immutable dogma is to obey it's constantly changing teachings and practices. Truly our Lady of Fatima's words of warning have been fulfilled: the errors of communism have spread throughout the whole world (using the excellent infrastructure of the Church).
The Anglican Schism is almost a perfect copy of the Novus Ordo. Both revised the Liturgy, both revised the Cathecism, both destroyed their own Apostolic Succession, both instituted all the mess in a hidden, official-only manner, so the people were little by little brought to a false religion. Almost identical!
Excellent program, thank you..🙏🏻
Keep up the good fight! God speed!
I wonder if Mario has ever explored the theory of R/R as a parallel to the unbelieving Jews. “I’m sticking with the Covenant! You people are leaving it, going out to follow some fringe group that say the Covenant is with YOU?”
I find many parallels here, not the least of which is obstinacy.
Very interesting
One cannot simultaneously follow Antipope Francis and practice actual Catholicism. The two are mutually exclusive.
Very good! Thank you
Christ will be a contradiction. The clear evidence you state makes me think Christ is getting closer. As contradiction increases, I pray Christ comes back to make all new again.
I feel for Mr Matt being in the Church and watching it falling into a total dissordered mess. I feel his pain and understand his position. Just before the conference he got a letter from Arch Bishop Vigano and he was to be a main speaker at the Unity Conference. The message of Unity was understandably not Viganos message, God Love Him. Matt freaked and had to make the hard fast choice to cancel Vigano. He was under a bunch of stress and criticism for this. I can't imagine being in his shoes that day. Not his best moment, but understandable.
You are in a wonderful position as ones that have settled on a position. Others aren't there yet and are hoping to influence changes within. Trust me that's a much harder place to be. I RESPECT Matt for his impossible stance. God Bless him. Please a little grace and charity with less arm chair quarterbacking from relative new comers. Matt and his dad have a 60 year legacy of reporting on Catholic issues.
The problem is he is spreading heretical views. Period.
The position of the R&R is a. Double Whammy......they want their cake and eat it,too. They are keeping a ' toe in the door' just in case.
No, we are afraid of Excommunication and Hell.
Me thinks their toe will be wildly blue & doubled in size quite soon! 🤔
What's wrong about the approach? We don't attack Mr Matt we attack what he said. Are we wrong about what he said? How so?
The video is great. Mario hit all the points right on target. The problem is those who have a shallow comprehension level. The R&R "Catholics" are Protestants. If they truly followed tradition, they would follow the principle of unity of that tradition (the pope). The R&R are modern day Gallicans.
It is sad that the false trads are unwilling to be honest or to debate Most Holy Family Monastery.
Well Rome might as well cozy up to the Anglicans. They have turned off the Orthodox for the most part.
"God desires us to use our intellect to know with certainty that it is He who has spoken, not to comprehend all that He asks us to believe."
(St. Alphonsus, 12 steps, Faith)
Faith is finding God's authority. It is an abuse of faith to take as faith that your church is God's authority! That is what our intellect is for! Faith starts once we find it!
I also reviewed that speech and much of that conference. It was a strange mix of orthodoxy and wacky things.
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The archbishop of Canterbury has also approved of a “90’s silence Disco in the Cathedral” for both the 8th & 9th February. Apparently the 9th is already sold out.
I need to toughen up as I guess we are only just beginning to see the unraveling of everything, but this has really upset me. I can’t fathom who would think this is appropriate. 😔
Great interview as always. 🙏🏻
But don't sedevacantists already have a pope and hence their principle of unity?
Cuba and Nicaragua and Venezuela are not false , only their regime . They will rise again like our glorious church
Why not get all of the Traditional Bishops who have been validly consecrated by a valid bishop under the pre 1964 rights to elect a valid pope and declare this person to be the true pope and the Novus Ordo leader as a invalid imposter. They could do this in Avignon.
Epikea bishops don’t have jurisdiction. And cardinals elect the pope, not bishops. The Palamarians tried this, as did the Pope Michael people. They are no more the pope than you or I.
@@Dr.WeezilI loved Pope Michael! Interesting character. He passed away several years ago
22:15 above our pay grade? Pope Paul IV and many others Popes, Saints say even simple laymen Must reject any apparent pope who teaches heresy.
Matt, you know you're catechism. C'mon
Michael Matt is king of the cringe
I’m fascinated by all the bickering and infighting among the various Protestant cults that have emerged since the second Vatican council, SSPX, sedevacantists, etc. It’s very interesting.
Ah, but if we were a protestant cult, Bergoglio would welcome us with open arms. :) The true Church has been persecuted from the very beginning. You have to ask why the Vatican 2 church is fine with Buddhists and Lutherans, but are out of their minds against traditional catholicism?
41:35, Mario on danger of following Francis. I bet all writings since 1958 will be put on index.
LOL, unite the clans includes sedevacantist? Man a got kick out that ;)-
Ephesians 6:11-13 The only piece of armor not mentioned is armor for the back. Soldiers never thought they would be stabbed in the back by their own. Treason. Until the consecration is changed, Christ is still present. Only three were at the cross on Passion Friday, the rest were at the pub mocking Him. Get back to the cross and stop making His pain more painful.
In practice, many of us are living as if Bergolio is not the pope, because we are NOT embracing any of this hot mess he promotes and teaches. Inconsistent? Yes. Our priests are valid through Lefebvre . It ISmadness. We live in a mad time.
Yay, review Michael Matt! He is unwatchable.
Hubris ! You slipped ! You wanted to say if we don’t follow this “podcast” you may be damned. You said yourself it’s a mystery in both sides so why leave ?
Michael Matt makes more sense when you also look into the warnings of the Marian Apparitions from Our Lady of Good Success forward. It's interesting how many Catholics dismiss the Apparitions. Also have you guys ever even looked into the WEF? Bella Dodd?
What does Bella dodd have to do with the issue of true and false popes?
@didymussumydid9726 Bella Dodd admitted to getting over 1100 communist men to become priest from 1930 to 1950
Plenty, if you knew the hidden agenda of freemasonry and its seed - communism.
Well the Church can be in a state of tumult and confusion. It’s happened multiple times in history. During the great western schism we had 3 papal claimants. However God did eventually restore the Church to its proper order.
Amen.
I used to listen to Matt, but found his message more troublesome ( as well as emotional). When I found out he isn't even traditional, that was enough for me. He brags about the traditional Catholic upbringing he had, which swayed me for awhile. I complained to a priest friend that Mr. Matt should hold his peace about many things, to which my friend replied that there's not enough priests speaking out. That doesn't change the fact that Matt is a layman. If this "unite the clans" motto is a way to try to mix Trad groups with novus ordo goers, I am most certainly not interested.
Really like the necklace you are wearing Kevin, I have one of the same design of the good Shepherd.
Just looking at the youthful look of you two it is obvious you were baptized during Vatican II decades. So questions: how much have you studied the Church's teachings before Vat II? Also why would you call the 1962 missal something belonging to John XXIII of all people? Finally there is only ONE TRUTH. We cannot serve two masters. There are many similarities but also many chasms between Vat II and the pre-conciliar Church which is reflected in teachings between Catechism of the Catholic Church and the Baltimore III Catechism. Do you know differences? Have you been to at 0:13 least one month of Sunday attendance with the Latin Mass? If you are not well familiar with the differences, it is certain your where you remain in the faith. But there is only One Truth and unless you know both versions, you cannot make a righteous choice. And do you or don't you have an obligation to learn and discern the One Truth? Which Master and His teachings will you serve?
You are Bergoglio beating but your position the seat has been vacant for decades , right ? Stay in the boat through the storm. Read up on the Virgin of Umbe in Spain. She never lies.
Michael Matt is defending Jesus and his teachings in our church. The teachings that were handed down through the blood, that Jesus shed for us, as did the apostles to keep us united in the teachings in the word of God, and the word is Jesus Christ. You are very educated people, but you are misunderstanding what Michael Matt is saying. He is not defending himself. He is defending the word of God, who is Jesus Christ from being perverted, and contradicted by some of the leaders within the church.
Michael Matt is a false prophet, he may have good intentions but that does not excuse his false theology and false teachings.
Michael Matt is a false prophet, he may have good intentions but that does not excuse his false theology.
I love to listen to Mr. Matt review the numerous errors of the Council & defend the traditional Catholic teachings of the Faith. He is great at this. I also love to hear him state the obvious about the current "Pontiff " in White.
What is baffling is to hear, after a 30 minute Francis rant, that we must lift up Francis's intentions. Are you sure of his intentions. 🤔
I reviewed the same talk by Michael Matt. He was unhinged and disrespected the office instituted by Christ.
He is second wave of great apo. First, attack the faith. Second, the Pope is Your Enemy, the Enemy of the Faith, because he can't come to conclusion that Francis is not Catholic not pooe.
Sedevacantists: the pope is your friend, we just don't have one.
Btw, I believe I heard Matt call for Rats to be doctor of the church😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
Honestly, I'd rather face God as a wackadoodle Modernist Francis worshipper than as an R&R advocate. The wackadoodles at least understand the obedience owed to the Papacy.
This!! "I obeyed who I thought was the Pope" is much more solid ground than "I thought he was a bad Pope, so I disobeyed him" (schism).
R&R smells like a grift. He either is the Pope or he’s not. This middle ground position is NOT Catholic.
It's SSP-ten.
38 min-ish
"We're not allowed to listen to podcasters."
We're listening to podcasters. 😛
(HAD to)
Pray for a Catholic Pope/Hierarchy & traditional Catholic unity. Our opinions are good table talk but meaningless until we have a Pope. We need to love care for & be united as Catholics.
It's not meaningless. It's absolutely important to follow what the popes taught before Vatican II and recognize how the Vatican II "popes" contradict the teachings prior to Vatican II. Unity is only accomplished with obedience to past lawful successors.
@@juliarose9240 Meaningless meaning we have no jurisdiction nor an office in the Church. Fr Chazal & Fr Ringrose have stated Catholics who hold the Sede opinion are apart of the Church & trying to work w us.
1 Corinthians 1:10
Opinions can be found on R&R blogs. The teaching of the Catholic Church can be found by listening to Mario Derksen. Also it is wholly irrelevant whether Fr. Chazal thinks sedevacantists are in the Catholic Church.
@@chadhorton5879 So Mario D is the temporary Magisterium? Sede's and R+R can quote approved theologians who support their opinion. Fr Chazal is trying to get some type of ground base loose unity amongst traditional Catholics, that's why I said what I said. Bishop Ramolla and Fr Moylan are also trying to do the same as Fr Chazal. Lay "internet Cardinals" are not the answer. It's irrelevant what we think of R+R the shoe drops both ways.
Please read the Book of TRUTH as mentioned in Daniel 10.21 Our Lord said in vol 2 of the book. That Pope Benedict was the last Pope who suffered terrible cruelty. The one who comes after him is a false prophet so open your ears. Those who have ears listen then
Benedict and Francis are apostates.
More confusion piled high upon more confusion. Your adding zero to the discussion. Anyone who is Faithful will be led by Christ to truth period. Heretics and Apostasy comes and goes, stand firm in the Faith, frequent the Sacraments, stay on your knees.
I always like how criticism is very vague...no critique of any actual point just a 10-year-old's attempt at..."duhhhhhh you're wrong!"
That was a mature reply.
Thanks 👍
It's only confusing as long as you let it confuse you. Francis is either pope or he is not. If he is, then submit to him and don't resist him as the principle of unity. If he is not, then call him out for what he is. A wolf in sheep's clothing. Wolves are not shepherds. The new religion of Vatican II contradicts the Catholic Church. Therefore it is not the Catholic Church or else if it was the gates of hell already prevailed against the church, which is impossible.
Pray the Holy Rosary once or more weekly for a Catholic Pope/Hierarchy & traditional Catholic unity,please. Laymen arguing fighting & condemning each other is not productive.
Thank you but I dislike the pious myth that everything was OK before the death of Pius XII who was the real architect of Vatican II. You are never told that he set up the Cittadella in Assisi in 1939 for the coming together of the world's religions. No everything is blamed on John XXIII. If you can, buy the excellent book by Mary Ball Martinez entitled "The Undermining of the Catholic Church". I think it is out of print but maybe available as a download - not sure
Modernist/humanist infiltration of the Church goes back, at a minimum, to the French Revolution, and more likely all the way back to Luther. What changed with Vatican II was the official, universal promulgation of heresy.
Most Holy Trinity Seminary has a thorough seminary course on Pope Pius XII on their TH-cam . Highly suggest you check it out. There are also courses on modern errors from previous years, and a current session on modern errors as well.
Roman Catholic Institute. Most Holy Trinity Seminary.
'Novus Ordo sect'. That's where you lost me. I will say about Michael Matt that one thing I find disconcerting is his seeming constant tone of irony. That's where Alex Jones of Infowars started getting unbalanced many years ago. Because, as I see it, beneath the tone of irony, is pride. I realize, because it has afflicted me as well, that the impetus for the irony, or pride, may be a frustration at the inability of many people to connect the dots to understand what is going on. Humility is required, love is required, understanding is required. If the Novus Ordo Mass was good enough for St. Teresa of Calcutta, it is good enough for me.
Anjezë Gonxhe Bojaxhiu (Mother Teresa) didn't believe the Catholic Church was necessary for salvation. If she did, she would have exercised the spiritual works of mercy by telling the Moslems, Buddhists, and Hindus that they needed to be baptized and convert to the Catholic Church. Instead she said they needed to be better Moslems, Buddists, and Hindus and her books explains why members of her Order ought to pray with them.
Yes, Novus Ordo Sect is accurate because it is a new religion that contradicts what was believed before Vatican II. It's pride to turn a blind eye to that fact.
@@juliarose9240pride and/or ignorance... But could be other reasons too. Regardless of what religion someone converts from they usually have to change underlining principles.
St. Teresa of Calcutta's devotion to the Blessed Sacrament, demonstrated by many quotes attributed to her, are of a kind one would expect from a canonized Saint. There is no way of getting around the fact she is speaking of devotion to Eucharistic species consecrated by Novus Ordo priests. Her evangelical efforts must be seen in proper context. For any Latin Mass proponent to suppose they have a more correct understanding of Jesus, his teachings, or of Catholicism than her is laughable.@@LOOregano
To VeronicaMarie; But St. Teresa knew that salvation comes only through Jesus. In your misplaced understanding you imagine someone other than who she was. Thousands of articles and books have been written about her life. Surely you're not just looking at Protestant information. Don't you realize you are creating division within the Church by making a caricature of her.
@@ichthus1890her own interviews and meditations man - is she too a Protestant in your eyes ? Though of course she was indifferentist in actuality.
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One may note how flimsy the sedevacantist position is by asking a question - What is above the pay grade of the sedevacantists when . . .?
1) Determining the Papal chair of Peter is vacant without reference to any current church authority.
2) Determining when the Papal chair is re-occupied after apparent Papal vacancy with or without reference to any modern church authority.
3) Determining a vacant Papal chair whilst knowing many other Popes in church history held and taught heresy or theologcal error whilst remaining a reigning pope.
4) The sedevacantists cannot locate any authoritative church document or church decree detailing the criteria to determine if a Papal chair is vacant whilst an elected Pope sits in the chair of Peter.
5) The sedevacantists cannot locate any authoritative church document or church decree detailing any authority in any sedevacantist movement to determine the chair of St Peter as vacant. Any references to St robert Bellarmine are only references to the non binding opinion of one Cardinal without any reference to magesterial teaching.
Typically, the sedevacantists connect erroneous Papal teaching with a vacant Papal chair, when the church documents and church teaching never teaches the vacant Papal chair associated with erroneous Papal teaching. Therefore Pope Francis' theological and moral errors do not conclude to a vacant Papal chair.
Modern sedevacantism is sinfully in the error of schism from Papal authority regardless of the problems associated with the liturgy and reforms since Vatican II.
This attack on Michael Matt is so sad. Just because your view of the solution is not the same. Many Catholics are very confused about the way to go with so much infighting within separatism. They are holding on a little longer because of the real fear of being excommunicated and going to Hell. I think that having an honest dialogue with Mr Matt would be the only respectful way to do this. Not this sickening "Bash Matt Show". I know you guys are the only ones above reproach. Must be comforting. No respect.
Hear hear.
This wasn't personal. Did you listen to the show? His theology in this video is deplorable. It's not like I'm happy about that. I want him to get it right and I want him to be saved as I dearly hope I will too. Don't get attached to WHO Is saying something but rather what is being said.
@@catholicfamilypodcast5501 ok. Let's say you only were attacking his theology. Though I saw it as more of a attack on his approach to a solution. What was your end goal. Your target audience must have been Novus Ordo's that are on the fence. I am one. There is a CMRI church available to me and an SSXP. Or I hang on like Matt. When all I see is finger pointing and infighting I just get more unsure.
Michael Matt's solution is to unite the clans as if he is the principle of unity. It's his pope, which he rejects. Therefore, we are left with only one conclusion.
Laymen,including Michael Matt,arguing & fighting,no jurisdiction nor an office in the Church. Can we make a day once weekly in which we pray the Holy Rosary for a Catholic Pope Hierarchy and traditional Catholic unity.?
Matt makes more sense to me than you both do. Where would you have us go? Stay with the church and trust God to sort it out
Read the teachings of the Church. That'll make more sense than anyone.
Pray for Catholic unity,we need each other. Sedevacantists and Resistance-SSPX could make good friends. Fr Chazal accept us as part of the Church,keep praying for a Catholic Pope and Hierarchy.
You can save your soul without the Mass, but you can't save your soul without the Faith. Live and practice the Faith as best you can. That keeps you free from participating in a false religion and false worship.
@@fr.timothygeckle1119 Shouldn't we focus on what we have in common w SSPX-Resistance-SSPX and SSPX,then try talking and working w each other? Rumor is the SSPX is Consecrating new Bishops this summer. If so that means they're not apart of the Novus Ordo anti-Church.
@@E.C.2 I see what you're getting at, but what do we have in common? They recognize a heretic as Pope, and then they disobey him (schism). We cannot "all just get along" with schismatics. What we CAN do is pray for them and do our best to convince them to stop their schism and come back to the unity of Faith.
Michael Matt is the best .
I agree! His show and conferences are wonderful.
Did you listen to the episode? His theology has been codemned by the Catholic Church. Bergoglio cannot be the Pope of the Catholic Church.
"For the Catholic Church has always considered schismatic all those who obstinately resist the authority of her legitimate prelates, and especially her supreme pastor, and any who refuses to execute their orders..."
-Pope Pius IX, encyclical Quartus Supra, January 6, 1873.
"And this is why, when we love the Pope, we do not dispute whether he commands or requires a thing, or seek to know where the strict obligation of obedience lies, or in what matter we must obey; when we love the Pope we do not say that he has not yet spoken clearly - as if he were required to speak his will in every man’s ear, and to utter it not only by word of mouth but in letters and other public documents as well. Nor do we cast doubt on his orders, alleging the pretext which comes easily to the man who does not want to obey, that it is not the Pope who is commanding, but someone in his entourage. We do not limit the field in which he can and ought to exercise his authority; we do not oppose to the Pope’s authority that of other persons - no matter how learned - who differ from the Pope. For whatever may be their learning, they are not holy, for where there is holiness there cannot be disagreement with the Pope."
(Address to the Priests of the Apostolic Union, Nov. 18, 1912; in Acta Apostolicae Sedis 4 [1912], p. 695; excerpted in Papal Teachings: The Church, n. 752) -Pope St. Pius X
"The Pope is the Teacher and Shepherd of the whole Church, thus, the whole Church is so bound to hear and follow him that if he would err, the whole Church would err.
Now our adversaries respond that the Church ought to hear him so long as he teaches correctly, for God must be heard more than men.
On the other hand, who will judge whether the Pope has taught rightly or not? For it is not for the sheep to judge whether the shepherd wanders off, not even and especially in those matters which are truly doubtful. Nor do Christian sheep have any greater judge or teacher to whom they might have recourse. As we showed above, from the whole Church one can appeal to the Pope yet, from him no one is able to appeal; therefore necessarily the whole Church will err if the Pontiff would err."
(De Romano Pontifice, Book IV, Chapter 3; Grant translation.)
"...The assent of the mind, which is required, by its nature demands that the faithful hold with their internal mind the very same thing that the Supreme Pontiff enunciates, and that they very directly affirm the very same thing that he himself asserts. Therefore, when the decrees say that some doctrine is safe or not safe, it must be held that it is such-safe or not safe; however, when they propose a doctrine as certain or erroneous, as true or false, then we must hold and affirm that it really is certain or erroneous, true or false, as the decrees precisely enunciate it, according to the clear mind of Leo XIII. (Immortale Dei)" - Theologian, Joachim Salaverri, S.J.
The Roman Pontiff has never erred in matters of faith or morals 171ff., 273, 1723, 1836 (not even Liberius 93); for this reason he is rightly called the protagonist of the faith 129, whose office is to define and defend the truths of faith 466, 5709, 1836, which is never done to the detriment of science 1679, 1712. Assent and obedience are due to his decrees, even if they do not pertain to the dogmas of faith and morals 1698."-Denzinger's Sources of Catholic Dogma
Pius IX Quartus Supra #10: ...this See possesses the right of judging the whole Church, and no one may judge its judgment.”
"...The assent which the Holy See requires is called religious, that is, to be offered because of the motive of religion; this is deduced from the fact that obedience is demanded to authentic decrees under the pain of serious guilt: D 3503, 3543-3547" -Joachim Salaverri, S.J.
Michael Matt is the best
The best at preaching very poor theology.
Wow are you wrapped up tight... Give me a break going after Michael Matt. Who are you? How old are you?
I think that if you would listen to this with an open mind, you would realize that they are not attacking the man but the twisted theology that he disseminates. We can believe that someone means well while at the same time point out that what they say contradicts Church teaching and is dangerous.
Congratulations, you just further separated the "clans". Mario, you are just another layperson of many with an opinion.
And are his opinions wrong or?.......................
You both are ridiculous.
You are ridiculous. So there. Great discussion!