@@ef7558 I don't think that Marge is Karen. She only thought that thouse cartoons where too violent for kids. The real Karen is Pasters Wife who though that Michaelangelo's statue is pornographic and she made a protests against it even though it's considered as art master peace.
@@Revenge128 argument from authority fallacy. No true Scotsman fallacy. Degree vs quality fallacy. False dichotomy fallacy. I could go on here and rearrange your entire worldview, but I’ve got more important things to do. Marge is a Karen, bro. The fact that Helen Lovejoy is far more of a Karen is immaterial.
Strange that he was there. He has nothing to do with Itchy and Scratchy. All he does is just show the cartoon but has nothing to do with making it or being in charge of the company. xD
@@agirlfromcambridge4517 Everything. Well he was a psychiatrist. So he could tell people how it may affect children. He has more to do with it than Krusty, who has no frame of reference here, other than the cartoon appearing on his show.
@@crypastesomemore8348 yup, they sure did, the world changed but the one thing that didn't, is the fact that every human is an arrogant piece of worthless shit, that includes you and me too, Sorry for the truth 😬 I know it hurts
@@aelix56 You can't summarize anything in 9 seconds. She did the best thing by asking for those who share her opinion, to call and complain the cartoon industry.
I like this scene. It's less about the cartoon violence that the discussion is actually about and focuses on how news programmes often have a set narrative they want to push which is pretty much decided from the start, while they pretend the obvious bias they are showing doesn't exist. This is particularly potent today (whether it's Fox News, CNN to use the main opposing American political sides), alhough it's obviously been around for ages.
The cherry-picked street interview is a classic. First they show 3 people who agree with the network's narrative, and all of them seem to be very good at explaining their reasoning. Then they show someone who disagrees, and that person appears to be a complete moron.
The moment I lost all illusion of @#$% news being a legitimate news source was when I saw an editorial that went almost exactly like this, only the one-of-four opposing viewpoint got even LESS talk time than Marge did here.
Always laughed at the fact Krusty was there. He literally is there because Itchy & Scratchy is on his show, no other reason. The fact he starts clowning about and enrages Kent Brockman makes it even funnier xD
“And joining us live from Vienna, the home of the most famous psychiatrist, Sigmund Freud, Dr. Marvin Monroe” lol the qualification being he’s live from Vienna, and a doctor, in that order.
When I was a kid I was low key convinced Roger Myers was actually Marge’s father who changed his name and took a different path after being a flight attendant.
Then again, a lot of Simpsons mainstays have blue hair. By your younger self's twisted logic nearly half the town is some kind of relative of Marge's or another.
That's true in some ways, but podcasts are giving long-form media tremendous popularity. The intelligent and thorough discussion you can easily find on the internet today wasn't really available to most afaik when this episode was aired.
I like how he makes a big deal about the crusades lasting 30 years when it was actually like 200 years. I also like that the psychiatrist is reporting from Vienna for no reason other than Freud was born there.
@@ianfinrir8724 Stalin stayed in Vienna for a few weeks. It was Trotsky, who actually lived in Vienna for a couple of years. He was known and ridiculed by the Austrian police as "Herr Bronstein vom Cafe Central" who was brooding over some improbable revolution in Russia. The Reconqusita lasted for some 750 years. Christians from the Iberian peninsular were actually banned from joining the first Crusade, in order not to weaken the Reconquista. Only later, for some 350 years, the term "crusade(s)" was also applied to the Christian-Muslim struggle on that peninsular.
Not only did Marge manage to get a prime time TV slot to discuss Itchy and Scratchy, she also got it with an "emmy award wining host", the Chairman of Itchy & Scratchy, the host of the show that distributes I&S and "the world's most famous psychiatrist". AND Marge managed to hold her own argument with exceptional skill against them in a "debate" that was, from the offset, biased against her. Absolute icon.
Seems appropriate considering she’s AGAINST cartoons. I know shes against violence in cartoons, but come on all the best toons revolve around violence, even Disney. In short, Cartoons fun Lady dumb. Thank you for your time
@@RANDOM-KNIGHT145 just because they disagree does not mean they should be disrespectful or talk over her. You only have to gang up on someone and talk over them if you're afriad of what they'll say
Marge does have a point. Humans are fucking stupid and will copy anything they see on TV. Children being the stupidest version of human's. So her wanting there to be less violence on children's television is a good point.
And Myers using all the violence in the world before cartoons were invented excuse, and mentioning the Crusuades. All of the pre-20th century wars fought before cartoons were invented such as the Crusuades, the 100 Years War, American Revolution, and The Civil War weren't acted for anyone's entertainment like violent cartoons like Itchy and Scratchy were. Those wars were fighting for freedom, fair trades and services, and for people's rights, defending one's honor and country, and they were not the same as displays of violence for an audience to watch for fun, so Myers' argument didn't cut it
I uploaded this 4 years ago, simply because I thought it was a great clip and was disappointed I couldn't find it anywhere on youtube. I never expected it to gain this much traction! I get a notification relating to it nearly every day, and it's interesting to see how it's generated discussion around a number of topics, including current world events. Recently I rewatched the whole episode and still found it to be funny and relevant. Long live seasons 1-10.
I can't hear the director of INS' voice without thinking of " Do you know who I am !? I'm Moe Greene ! I made my bones when you were going out with cheerleaders ". RIP to the great Alex Rocco.
Very subtle touch they refer to Freud at 0:40 as a psychiatrist instead of what he was, a psychologist, to show that they really don't care/aren't informed
also using an irrelevant fact (monroe is in vienna) to use the phrase "...the world's most famous phychiatrist..." while introducing him, making it sound like monroe is "the world's most famous psychiatrist" (even though fame is also irrelevant)
Also, the guy's qualification that he's from Vienna and a doctor, but they don't say what he's a doctor of, he could be an electrical engineer with a php and have absolutely no expertise on the subject matter.
@Travis Galloway I did however watch the ending of Treehouse of Horror 29. It made me cry seeing Mrs. Skinner fly the family on her. She was a pterodactyl.
Just clearly not what they're trying to do 😂 they're trying to show how media coverage allows simplistic narratives to be pushed with no real opportunity for proper analysis or criticism, and how the media often unintentionally serves to support entrenched power
Exactly, and like one guy said, she also does nothing to keep Homer from choking Bart in anger and she seems to pretty much tolerate most of the antics Homer partakes in throughout the series.
And that she's completely okay with Homer strangling Bart and she even tried to strangle him a couple times when the whole family starts fighting So really, she's a hypocrite
Pretty layered joke. The fact that it's animated and the discussion is about animation. And then there' the small snicker of Kent laughing to his own joke, while we the audience are laughing at him and not with him.
Homer's just sitting and smiling with his head still wrapped in bandages. I love this episode in how it attacks the hypocrisy of parents' group who wanted the Simpsons canceled.
@@meyague I think that's the more daring suggestion really, it says maybe there isn't a 'right' group and maybe both sides should get their act together. (Creative teams should remember not to alienate or dismiss an audience that enjoy their product, and parents should maybe just take more responsibility for their kids instead of blaming everything bad they do on television or some other outside force.)
I'd say 90% of idiotic laws in this country happen because of either A) Woman has nanny take-away the toys unrealistic idea and gets disrespected by a man thereby getting sympathy B) Man has reckless and dangerous idea (think Archie Bunker handing airline passengers guns to stop hijackings) and gets disrespected by a woman thereby getting sympathy.
Such a good episode. I always sympathised with Bart and Lisa during this episode but have slowly come around to Marge's somewhat-hypocritical position as I've gotten older. People need to be a little more vigilant on what they expose young children too - there are too many hacks out there seeking attention with low quality and exploitative tripe.
To me the much bigger concern is not the kind of content you see on the simpsons or even the hyper violence of itchy and scratchy. There's a clear separation of most cartoon violence and reality, and it naturally scales up according to the appropriate viewing age. Kids _need_ danger and conflict in their media - it makes it interesting. Kids are also smarter than many adults treat them - they can watch Looney Tunes and know they shouldn't play with dynamite and stuff. The real harmful content for children today I think is in two ways - the willful evil of TH-cam content farms is the first. They do not care about children. They just want money from ads. So they make the most despicable trash, that can have violence far too inappropriate for the child's age, and worse, very sexual content. Obviously the parents are the major cause of this, but regardless, it is the worst thing being served to children these days. The second crappy thing in children's media is still motivated by greed, but is more subtle. It is simply a willingness to serve up bland movies and TV simply because it is for a family friendly audience. Illumination is the epitome of this in film. I look at stuff like Peppa Pig and compare it to older TV - to stuff like Arthur, Sesame street, etc. They did not talk down to their audience like so many shows today. They could be funny without resorting to toilet humor. They could be inspiring to the point that they make me feel something as an adult. If you want to make something that is truly good for kids, make something that you would want to watch as an adult.
March wasn’t trying to be vigilant for her kids she was literally trying to censor an art form. If she actually wanted to be a parents she would have stop the kids from watching the show. But no she wanted to blame the television because she didn’t want to blame herself.
@@TobiasTheWolf She DID stop them watching it - they just watched it at their friends' houses, remember? She had nothing against the cartoons after they removed the inappropriate violence, and it was a golden era for the children too.
Very true, people make fun of parents for saying something, but kids absorb stuff like sponges. Constantly seeing adults made fun of, violence like it’s nothing etc has bad effects. Maybe not encouraging the children to be violent, but altering how they perceive violence
I have to disagree somewhat. Marge is known for being a killjoy and will ruin things for people only because she has a problem with it. The easiest part is to not allow her kids to watch Itchy and Scratchy, largely Maggie because infants should not be exposed to something like that.
The last two are both still being used, and the first is being used at some point in the future, Matt Groening said so. So, not sure about this comment.
When Roger Myers should have said this instead that when France had the guillotine (until 1977) & had public executions (until 1939), parents would brought their kids to see it in action.
All these years later and you can still see people arguing about Marge hating cartoon violence. That isn't the point. The way she is interrupted in the beginning, the way a narrative is already set on the news program. Cartoon violence is my favorite thing, but I was still rooting for Marge, because nobody gave her a fair shake.... which is far more relatable.
Becuase her argument is just ridiculous. People always want to blame something other than themselves for thier child acting like an idiot.. Before video games it was cartoons. Before cartoons it was music. Before music it was books. Considering how shitty parents her and homer are they have no one to blame but themselves for Barts behavior and Lisa's obvious depression issues in earlier seasons.
She blamed Itchy and Scratchy because Maggie was influenced to harm Homer. I remember watching Oprah years ago and there was this woman who wrote to her claiming that her 2 year old daughter tried to "make out" with her after watching soap operas with her!
A smart way to put it to her is to let her have her point and then say "But should you really be doing more to monitor what your children watch? That's your responsibility as a parent." They should also (in-universe) have called out Roger Myers Jr. and I&S studios about the amount of gore on "Itchy and Scratchy". It's fine having T&J-style violence on a cartoon show aimed at kids, but having such explicit violence is more for teenagers and thus not appropriate for younger kids. Either market it as a afternoon kids' show or market it for teens who love slash horror by having it on something like Adult Swim/MTV. Don't have a teen-style violent cartoon aimed/marketed towards younger kids.
@@dwanedibly8129 two outlines of The Simpsons characters. "Which two popular Simpsons characters were written or killed off?" Shows the outlines being Dr. Marvin Monroe and "Bleeding Gums" Murphy. "If you guessed Dr. Marvin Monroe and "Bleeding Gums" Murphy, you are wrong. They were never popular."
@@dwanedibly8129 Harry Shearer had a terrible time doing his gruff sounding voice, and Matt hated the voice enough to make the character die off screen which is why he's only seen in the first 3 seasons.
@@Yabuturtle He meant Carrot Cake. It's easy to get the two confused, so I understand why he thought a heathen dish such as Banana Bread could possibly save us, Carrot Cake on the other hand...
I miss those simpsons episodes when i was a kid. In the late 1990s I was like: "sheila broflovski from south park reacts to violence just like marge did"
@@acidraindrops6657 Most men have that kind of addiction its just that most of us cant do it as often as we want to. The so called sexoholiks are just the ones that can do it more often than most men.
Sheila was way worse and actually committed murder against Terrence and Phillip. She is way more of a control freak and Marge at her worst would not have done what Sheila did.
"with our local Emmy award host..." This either their way to insult the Emmys, or they're implying that Kent Brockman is a talented at something other BUT being a newscast.
@@OscarMaris Well, I learned something new today! (non-American here) I always thought it was meant as "our local host who has won an Emmy", instead of "our host who has won a local Emmy".
Lisa: You know, I think that if parents would spend less time worrying about what their kids watch on TV, and more time worrying about what's going in in their kid's lives, this world would be a much better place. Bart: Yeah, I think that parents only get so offended by television because the rely on it as a babysitter, and the sole educator of their kids.
Haven't anyone notice that in the earlier seasons marge was always trying to oppose something actively all the time just like when she was trying to get the burlesque house shut down, but as the seasons went on she slowly started being less contradictive of people's actions and went with the flow
Yea they shifted that too Lisa and it seems like the Writers as the years went on took from that season 5 episode barts inner child where marge decided to go along with the flow and less naggy and actively trying to oppose things to flesh out her character more
Will say that it isn't because Itchy and Scratchy are not just violent, but rather gory as well. I think both sides are right in a way. We know there was violence back then. I don't have a problem with violent cartoons, but if something is marketed for children, you try to make something that's appropriate for children. Marge had some points, but her problem is that instead of taking responsibility and just simply monitoring what her children watch, she wants to ruin it for everyone. I would do what I can to monitor what my kids watch. I mean, that's what a parent should do. I know full well there ARE some inappropriate things on children's programming. So that's why I watch it first. I know that kids DO mimic a lot of things on tv. Their minds are young and easy to mold and anyone who has kids knows what I'm talking about. Now I don't think kids become lunatics if they watch something violent at an early age. Often when they do something like that, they hung with the wrong crowd or were crazy to begin with. But TV really DOES have a huge influence over children and there's a lot of garbage on tv, internet, ect. I know some will say that because they watched violent stuff when they were young, that means it's ok. Ok, why not just let them see rated r movies and how about porno while they're at it? How about no? There are some things that they do NOT need to see at that age. Not when they are so easily influenced. People really forget how easily it is to mold a child's mind with stuff. There's no real reason for them to see so much incredible violence and sex at such a young age. Not that they never should see something like that. It can be introduced gradually over time as they get older, when they can better process such scenes. Parents need to actually be parents and monitor what their kids watch, but studios are going to have children as their target audience, make stuff that should be for children. Don't take things that are meant for adults and try to market it that way. You can however do a balance like with the Batman Animated Series or Gargoyles tv show, where it can appeal to both children and adults. They had dark scenes, but nothing really "inappropriate" for children. But don't make so many scenes that are clearly violent or have so much sexual innuendos, weird disturbing stuff ect. and try to market it to children. If you want more adult stuff, then market it for adults or at least teenagers, if you want something that's somewhat adult.
Tipper Gore tried to ruin music for everyone after she was appalled at a Prince album that her 11 year old daughter was listening to. I sided with the musicians on that case.
@@mckenzymcneal5157 Speaking from me, I've saw quite a bit of "Dexter's", but never thought of it as too violent/inappropriate. Just a *good but not great* cartoon to spend a Saturday morning. Can *really* remember the "Omelette de Fromage" episode. PS: I am from the UK and can remember it being on "SM:TV", which was on free-TV. As for the others, seen bits-and-pieces of "Johnny Bravo" at my cousin's house who had pay-for TV and just remember a buff tool dancing around with girls and getting beat up by living teddy bears. So again, seemed like silly, cartoonish nonsense, but nothing too inappropriate. *Heard off but never watched* the other three cartoons you've mentioned, so I cannot comment for those.
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It’s wild to see Krusty so “on”, considering how burned out and tired of the kids he becomes by, like, season 5.
Yeah, I feel like this version of Krusty wouldn't have let his day camp be turned into a sweatshop.
This was season 2
yo, where's your profile pic from?
@@Pyro-Moloch This: m.th-cam.com/video/SVkt-o-X-8o/w-d-xo.html
He was always burned out. This is just a social veneer
Marge's 9-second summary was astonishingly good.
Yeah and it seemed to work.
Because she’s a Karen
@Nordic Tyr Because it's not true
@@ef7558 I don't think that Marge is Karen. She only thought that thouse cartoons where too violent for kids. The real Karen is Pasters Wife who though that Michaelangelo's statue is pornographic and she made a protests against it even though it's considered as art master peace.
@@Revenge128 argument from authority fallacy. No true Scotsman fallacy. Degree vs quality fallacy. False dichotomy fallacy. I could go on here and rearrange your entire worldview, but I’ve got more important things to do. Marge is a Karen, bro. The fact that Helen Lovejoy is far more of a Karen is immaterial.
I for one, valued Krusty's input
I agree, that pie in the face gag really added to the conversation.
Strange that he was there. He has nothing to do with Itchy and Scratchy. All he does is just show the cartoon but has nothing to do with making it or being in charge of the company. xD
I for one, welcome our new insect overlords
@@Yabuturtle Well what on Earth did Dr. Marvin have to do with it? 😆
@@agirlfromcambridge4517 Everything.
Well he was a psychiatrist. So he could tell people how it may affect children. He has more to do with it than Krusty, who has no frame of reference here, other than the cartoon appearing on his show.
Fascinating. And this was BEFORE cartoons were invented? 😂😂😂
@@crypastesomemore8348 no u
@@crypastesomemore8348 yup, they sure did, the world changed but the one thing that didn't, is the fact that every human is an arrogant piece of worthless shit, that includes you and me too, Sorry for the truth 😬 I know it hurts
@@trapkingswag5709 Oh god you're one of those people LOL
We're all primitiv fools
@@trapkingswag5709 Im not a pice of shit, YOU ARE.
Gotta give Marge credit....she said what needed to be said in under the 9 seconds that was allotted to her at the end by Kent Brockman.
Heck yeah she did. Very smart to have the many speak for the few.
And it crushed him in the end
She didn't, he asked for a summary of her viewpoints and all she did was call for action.
aelix56 she was playing the game
@@aelix56 You can't summarize anything in 9 seconds. She did the best thing by asking for those who share her opinion, to call and complain the cartoon industry.
The way Kent yells at Krusty makes me die laughing
lmao KRUSTY!!
I think Krusty been on the tequila pre-interview.
He was so patient & then snaps for a moment.
@@wrigleyextra11 I jumped, lol
Lol
I love how pleased Kent is with his "animated discussion" quip. He worked on that
I like this scene. It's less about the cartoon violence that the discussion is actually about and focuses on how news programmes often have a set narrative they want to push which is pretty much decided from the start, while they pretend the obvious bias they are showing doesn't exist. This is particularly potent today (whether it's Fox News, CNN to use the main opposing American political sides), alhough it's obviously been around for ages.
The cherry-picked street interview is a classic. First they show 3 people who agree with the network's narrative, and all of them seem to be very good at explaining their reasoning. Then they show someone who disagrees, and that person appears to be a complete moron.
I like how kent brockman says, "This animated discussion." I'm pretty sure that's a Conan joke.
You think CNN is extreme? If CNN is the "extreme-left" America truely is doomed.
The moment I lost all illusion of @#$% news being a legitimate news source was when I saw an editorial that went almost exactly like this, only the one-of-four opposing viewpoint got even LESS talk time than Marge did here.
@@thetumans1394 Just as bad as Fox News really. But if lets play that game: If FOX NEWS is the "extreme-right" America "truely" is doomed.
Always laughed at the fact Krusty was there. He literally is there because Itchy & Scratchy is on his show, no other reason. The fact he starts clowning about and enrages Kent Brockman makes it even funnier xD
Hahahahaah
To funny
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Lol
most people would say "no, of course not... what kind of stupid question is that?"
this line kills me it's so subtly savage
True too 😁
That's what I say when someone asks if I support gun control
Media does influence kids tbh
“And joining us live from Vienna, the home of the most famous psychiatrist, Sigmund Freud, Dr. Marvin Monroe” lol the qualification being he’s live from Vienna, and a doctor, in that order.
well he can't be in vienna as there are mountains there and Vienna has no mountains...😂
Should have made that line "home of the only known psychiatrist to Americans, and therefore the most famous; Sigmund Freud"
@@RedDeathShinigami Youre joking, right? Right?
@@RedDeathShinigami sure?
@@hasan_z uh yes, lived there almost 10 yera
When I was a kid I was low key convinced Roger Myers was actually Marge’s father who changed his name and took a different path after being a flight attendant.
Then again, a lot of Simpsons mainstays have blue hair. By your younger self's twisted logic nearly half the town is some kind of relative of Marge's or another.
you-whaaaa????
The worst part is that political discourse has gone DOWN hill in the years since
That's true in some ways, but podcasts are giving long-form media tremendous popularity.
The intelligent and thorough discussion you can easily find on the internet today wasn't really available to most afaik when this episode was aired.
@J Holt political doesn't just mean Democrat or Republican.
Fascinating. And this AFTER cartoons were invented?
@@seronymus uh... huh.
Thank Reagan and their lackeys for throwing objectivity out of the news in the 80s. The usa is the paradise of ignorance and misinformation
Snuggling up with a bowl of popcorn, dimming the lights and watching classic Simpsons til I laugh myself silly sounds really good right now
I like how he makes a big deal about the crusades lasting 30 years when it was actually like 200 years.
I also like that the psychiatrist is reporting from Vienna for no reason other than Freud was born there.
Freud was not born in Vienna. Just for the record.
The Reconquista lasted 400 years. Also, Freud, Stalin and Hitler all lived in Vienna at the same time.
@@ianfinrir8724 Stalin stayed in Vienna for a few weeks. It was Trotsky, who actually lived in Vienna for a couple of years. He was known and ridiculed by the Austrian police as "Herr Bronstein vom Cafe Central" who was brooding over some improbable revolution in Russia.
The Reconqusita lasted for some 750 years. Christians from the Iberian peninsular were actually banned from joining the first Crusade, in order not to weaken the Reconquista. Only later, for some 350 years, the term "crusade(s)" was also applied to the Christian-Muslim struggle on that peninsular.
@@andy99ish I still say Hitler, Stalin and Freud all living in Vienna is a sitcom waiting to happen.
@@ianfinrir8724 Not a sit-com, but a lay-down-on-the-couch-com, as Freud is involved.
Alex Rocco was great as Roger Meyers Jr. Very underrated actor and voice actor.
Moe Green.
A shame that his home planet needed him.
At the time of this show, he had just done a short-lived sitcom called *The Famous Teddy Z,* which won him an Emmy.
Not only did Marge manage to get a prime time TV slot to discuss Itchy and Scratchy, she also got it with an "emmy award wining host", the Chairman of Itchy & Scratchy, the host of the show that distributes I&S and "the world's most famous psychiatrist". AND Marge managed to hold her own argument with exceptional skill against them in a "debate" that was, from the offset, biased against her. Absolute icon.
spend some time outside
Uhhh, okay.
Every Simpson character is an icon. In general Springfield is iconic
Marge is the best. My favorite Simpson.
How dare you not mention Krusty
The comically absurd level of disrespect they show Marge seems rather kind compared to now :(
Sad but true
Seems appropriate considering she’s AGAINST cartoons.
I know shes against violence in cartoons, but come on all the best toons revolve around violence, even Disney.
In short,
Cartoons fun
Lady dumb.
Thank you for your time
@@RANDOM-KNIGHT145 it was very polite of you to thank me for the time spent reading. puts it all in a wholesome context and made me cheese
check out the Jam festival clip from The Day Today
@@RANDOM-KNIGHT145 just because they disagree does not mean they should be disrespectful or talk over her. You only have to gang up on someone and talk over them if you're afriad of what they'll say
Wow krusty was so happy here lol
Because when those cameras are on him he just can't help it
This was before they turned his character into a burned out, washed off alcoholic lol.
*HI KIDS uHUhHuHuHuHuhHuh!*
I think he's drunk!
"There was a little thing called THE CRUSADES!" (drops the mic)
"little!?"
How many countries was affected by these crusades?
I love how Marvin Monroe's qualification for the debate is that he's in Vienna
The way he yells Krusty, it gets me everytime.
This was before Dr. Marvin Monroe became very sick.
All that over buttery popcorn
@@concernworker8836 Too much buttery popcorn, if you ask me
"He was never popular!"
He was shilling hard on this one.
@Frederic Menjivar god you're an idiot
This scene is great because I 100% disagree with Marge's point but still take her side because of how god-awfully corrupt this "Debate" format is.
Most are
Exactly
Marge does have a point. Humans are fucking stupid and will copy anything they see on TV. Children being the stupidest version of human's. So her wanting there to be less violence on children's television is a good point.
And Myers using all the violence in the world before cartoons were invented excuse, and mentioning the Crusuades. All of the pre-20th century wars fought before cartoons were invented such as the Crusuades, the 100 Years War, American Revolution, and The Civil War weren't acted for anyone's entertainment like violent cartoons like Itchy and Scratchy were. Those wars were fighting for freedom, fair trades and services, and for people's rights, defending one's honor and country, and they were not the same as displays of violence for an audience to watch for fun, so Myers' argument didn't cut it
@@None-Trick_Pony Yep, see my above reply
0:18 I love how Lisa exciting to see her mother on T.V. despite the fact she's trying to get rid of her favorite cartoon.
I uploaded this 4 years ago, simply because I thought it was a great clip and was disappointed I couldn't find it anywhere on youtube. I never expected it to gain this much traction! I get a notification relating to it nearly every day, and it's interesting to see how it's generated discussion around a number of topics, including current world events.
Recently I rewatched the whole episode and still found it to be funny and relevant.
Long live seasons 1-10.
Dam right bro! Dam right!!
Thanks for sharing
I see, fascinating
I can't hear the director of INS' voice without thinking of " Do you know who I am !? I'm Moe Greene ! I made my bones when you were going out with cheerleaders ".
RIP to the great Alex Rocco.
This would pass for intelligent, insightful, and civilized commentary on any network in 2022.
2:28 Krusty! When I was a kid I laughed so hard the first time I heard that.
Marge actually made her point in 8 seconds, with a whole second to spare.
She used her 9 seconds extremely well.
... while still being wrong 😂
It is even better considering how over-the-top the Itchy and Scratchy violence was as a sendup of 50's era cartoons.
Very subtle touch they refer to Freud at 0:40 as a psychiatrist instead of what he was, a psychologist, to show that they really don't care/aren't informed
also using an irrelevant fact (monroe is in vienna) to use the phrase "...the world's most famous phychiatrist..." while introducing him, making it sound like monroe is "the world's most famous psychiatrist" (even though fame is also irrelevant)
Can you imagine if Freud *was* a psychiatrist? He’d probably prescribe hormone suppressors for shits and giggles 😂
If they wanted to really refer to what he was, they'd be much less kind.
Freud was a psychiatrist. Who later started what he called psychoanalysis.
Also, the guy's qualification that he's from Vienna and a doctor, but they don't say what he's a doctor of, he could be an electrical engineer with a php and have absolutely no expertise on the subject matter.
Kent was generous. In reality the mainstream media would only give the dissenting speaker 3 seconds to summarize their position.
I love how Kent wipes the tear from his eye while laughing
"this animated discussion" is such good writing. It works on 3 levels all at once
I didn't even realize the third level until you mentioned it. A discussion ABOUT animation. Clever.
now try to find that quality with today's shitshows, good luck. in some cases, the "they don't make them like they used to" really is true
I find this scene reather bland to be honest. the writing wasn't very simpsony yet.
@@canobenitez bitch, it WAS very simpson-esque
2:24 Probably the most happiest Krusty has been on TV ever
Krusty has often been happy on TV, it's off the cameras when he's unhappy, grouchy, and into booze
2:26 KRUSTY!
A fantastic example of satire! My god The Simpsons was as sharp as a tack back in its prime. Real top notch writing and voice acting.
It was god like. It's a shame today's kids can't even appreciate why it's so clever.
@jay dabs he's right
Hey when I watched this episode as a kid I did not get why it was so clever lol. I am 32 btw.
Gotta agree, I watched a episode from season 28 a few days ago and didn’t laugh once
@Travis Galloway I did however watch the ending of Treehouse of Horror 29. It made me cry seeing Mrs. Skinner fly the family on her. She was a pterodactyl.
This is an example of the good Simpsons where all sides of the debate are looked at. Even if it is in an "everyone is a moron" type way.
Totally agree.
Quinn Fletcher or like debating why wwe decided to make pg instead of TV 14//
To be fair, everyone IS a moron.
Just clearly not what they're trying to do 😂 they're trying to show how media coverage allows simplistic narratives to be pushed with no real opportunity for proper analysis or criticism, and how the media often unintentionally serves to support entrenched power
What do you mean all sides are looked at? Roger was being very dismissive of Marge's side in this.
What amazing non-bias commentary from Kent Brockman. He deserves an Emmy.
It’s funny that Marge thinks that Itchy and Scratchy are bad influences on her kids while she has been living with an abusive alcoholic in Homer
Plus she never steps in to prevent Homer strangling Bart.
Facts
A self righteous hypocrital parent? Who'd have thought such a thing could exist?
Exactly, and like one guy said, she also does nothing to keep Homer from choking Bart in anger and she seems to pretty much tolerate most of the antics Homer partakes in throughout the series.
And that she's completely okay with Homer strangling Bart and she even tried to strangle him a couple times when the whole family starts fighting
So really, she's a hypocrite
“Also with us for this animated discussion”… so meta
Pretty layered joke. The fact that it's animated and the discussion is about animation. And then there' the small snicker of Kent laughing to his own joke, while we the audience are laughing at him and not with him.
*"You know what I did some serious research"*
Lol that research part was sarcasm
This is just like real news debates: they have people who are motivated by profit give their opinion.
Who else would they interview outside of the viewer and producers?
2:26 Krusty!!!!! (Krusty) oh (horn hoots
Always nice to see Krusty.
Homer's just sitting and smiling with his head still wrapped in bandages.
I love this episode in how it attacks the hypocrisy of parents' group who wanted the Simpsons canceled.
except in this episode they paint the cartoonists as the bad people
@@meyague I think that's the more daring suggestion really, it says maybe there isn't a 'right' group and maybe both sides should get their act together. (Creative teams should remember not to alienate or dismiss an audience that enjoy their product, and parents should maybe just take more responsibility for their kids instead of blaming everything bad they do on television or some other outside force.)
I'd say 90% of idiotic laws in this country happen because of either
A) Woman has nanny take-away the toys unrealistic idea and gets disrespected by a man thereby getting sympathy
B) Man has reckless and dangerous idea (think Archie Bunker handing airline passengers guns to stop hijackings) and gets disrespected by a woman thereby getting sympathy.
Simpsons are to clever
@@LS-bw7jt as meatballs are to delicious?
Such a good episode. I always sympathised with Bart and Lisa during this episode but have slowly come around to Marge's somewhat-hypocritical position as I've gotten older. People need to be a little more vigilant on what they expose young children too - there are too many hacks out there seeking attention with low quality and exploitative tripe.
To me the much bigger concern is not the kind of content you see on the simpsons or even the hyper violence of itchy and scratchy.
There's a clear separation of most cartoon violence and reality, and it naturally scales up according to the appropriate viewing age.
Kids _need_ danger and conflict in their media - it makes it interesting. Kids are also smarter than many adults treat them - they can watch Looney Tunes and know they shouldn't play with dynamite and stuff.
The real harmful content for children today I think is in two ways - the willful evil of TH-cam content farms is the first. They do not care about children. They just want money from ads. So they make the most despicable trash, that can have violence far too inappropriate for the child's age, and worse, very sexual content. Obviously the parents are the major cause of this, but regardless, it is the worst thing being served to children these days.
The second crappy thing in children's media is still motivated by greed, but is more subtle. It is simply a willingness to serve up bland movies and TV simply because it is for a family friendly audience. Illumination is the epitome of this in film.
I look at stuff like Peppa Pig and compare it to older TV - to stuff like Arthur, Sesame street, etc. They did not talk down to their audience like so many shows today. They could be funny without resorting to toilet humor. They could be inspiring to the point that they make me feel something as an adult.
If you want to make something that is truly good for kids, make something that you would want to watch as an adult.
March wasn’t trying to be vigilant for her kids she was literally trying to censor an art form. If she actually wanted to be a parents she would have stop the kids from watching the show. But no she wanted to blame the television because she didn’t want to blame herself.
@@TobiasTheWolf She DID stop them watching it - they just watched it at their friends' houses, remember? She had nothing against the cartoons after they removed the inappropriate violence, and it was a golden era for the children too.
Very true, people make fun of parents for saying something, but kids absorb stuff like sponges. Constantly seeing adults made fun of, violence like it’s nothing etc has bad effects. Maybe not encouraging the children to be violent, but altering how they perceive violence
I have to disagree somewhat. Marge is known for being a killjoy and will ruin things for people only because she has a problem with it. The easiest part is to not allow her kids to watch Itchy and Scratchy, largely Maggie because infants should not be exposed to something like that.
Kent Brockman snapping at Krusty was hilarious
When you realize Itchy and Scratchy is a show within a show (the Krusty show) within a show (The Simpsons).
Within a show (The Tracey Ullman Show).
@@donaloflynn Within a show (We live in a simulation)
Like "The Simpsons" themselves originally were (The Tracey Ullman Show).
Perfect clip to illustrate how great the show was during season 2. A lot of people act like it didn't get get until 4, or at least 3
And that's how Apu, Carl and Dr Hibbert got cancelled.
And why I stopped watching.
Who cares? To me, the show ended in 2000. It's been a zombie show since then.
@@SuperTed19021 *1998
The last two are both still being used, and the first is being used at some point in the future, Matt Groening said so. So, not sure about this comment.
@@dustinprewitt To me, "Behind the Laughter" (Season 11 finale) was it.
When Roger Myers should have said this instead that when France had the guillotine (until 1977) & had public executions (until 1939), parents would brought their kids to see it in action.
Karl Ahlf Yeah I remember being a kid in 1976, my dad taking me out to watch a guillotine execution.
@@Ahbenmautadine They were not public in 77, according to Karl. You were to excited when responding.
T100 It was a typo, I meant 1876. You see im immortal...
And Marge should have responded (with ignorance) that this might be the reason for the violence in World War II.
Aaah the good old days..
I keep missing that line about Sigmund Freud being the world’s most famous psychiatrist and then cutting to Marvin Monroe is hilarious.
Weird how Lisa seems excited to see Marge on TV even though the reason Marge is there is to cancel Lisa's favorite cartoon
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All these years later and you can still see people arguing about Marge hating cartoon violence. That isn't the point. The way she is interrupted in the beginning, the way a narrative is already set on the news program. Cartoon violence is my favorite thing, but I was still rooting for Marge, because nobody gave her a fair shake.... which is far more relatable.
Becuase her argument is just ridiculous. People always want to blame something other than themselves for thier child acting like an idiot.. Before video games it was cartoons. Before cartoons it was music. Before music it was books. Considering how shitty parents her and homer are they have no one to blame but themselves for Barts behavior and Lisa's obvious depression issues in earlier seasons.
I agree. Not all for censorship and it would be hypocritical to silence your opponents.
That wouldn't be a debate.
She blamed Itchy and Scratchy because Maggie was influenced to harm Homer. I remember watching Oprah years ago and there was this woman who wrote to her claiming that her 2 year old daughter tried to "make out" with her after watching soap operas with her!
@@PurpleBunnySlippers This is cancel culture in it's early stages going after cartoon characters for some idiotic reason.
A smart way to put it to her is to let her have her point and then say "But should you really be doing more to monitor what your children watch? That's your responsibility as a parent." They should also (in-universe) have called out Roger Myers Jr. and I&S studios about the amount of gore on "Itchy and Scratchy". It's fine having T&J-style violence on a cartoon show aimed at kids, but having such explicit violence is more for teenagers and thus not appropriate for younger kids. Either market it as a afternoon kids' show or market it for teens who love slash horror by having it on something like Adult Swim/MTV. Don't have a teen-style violent cartoon aimed/marketed towards younger kids.
“Do you know who I am? I’m Roger Meyers! I made my bones when you were banging cheerleaders!!”
Krusty: 🤡
Kent: KRUSTY!!!!! 😈
Krusty: …oh. 😰
2:24 this had me wheezing 😂
KRUSTY!!!
Oh, uh *honk* sorry.
2:14 Hi Krusty! 👋🤡
I love Dr. Marvin Monroe.
“Well, we have a very simple method: Whoever has that stamp on his hand is insane!”
Marvin Monroe was such an underused character.
@@dwanedibly8129 two outlines of The Simpsons characters.
"Which two popular Simpsons characters were written or killed off?"
Shows the outlines being Dr. Marvin Monroe and "Bleeding Gums" Murphy.
"If you guessed Dr. Marvin Monroe and "Bleeding Gums" Murphy, you are wrong. They were never popular."
@@dwanedibly8129 Harry Shearer had a terrible time doing his gruff sounding voice, and Matt hated the voice enough to make the character die off screen which is why he's only seen in the first 3 seasons.
Krusty was a LOT more wholesome in the first 3 or 4 seasons.
He turned into such an asshole as the show went on. 😂
“So much for YOUR viewpoint!”
'I'M MOE GREENE!!!! I was making my bones when you were still banging cheerleaders'. Rest In Peace Alex Rocco, here playing Roger Myers Junior 🙂
Not to mention disasters happen and they are violent.
I expected them to cut off Marge before the nine seconds was up.
Only banana bread can save us from these evil cartoons.
Banana Bread?! What the hell were you thinking?!
@@Yabuturtle He meant Carrot Cake. It's easy to get the two confused, so I understand why he thought a heathen dish such as Banana Bread could possibly save us, Carrot Cake on the other hand...
Krusty made the best points
I miss those simpsons episodes when i was a kid. In the late 1990s I was like: "sheila broflovski from south park reacts to violence just like marge did"
yeah there's an obvious parallel between itchy & scratchy and T&P
Alex Rocco is the voice of Roger Meyers Jr. He played Moe Greene in The Godfather.
What does Moe Green know about making cartoons? He made his bones when you were going out with cheerleaders!
I wish all public debates were this entertaining, stimulating and 'animated' 😁
Sexoholism
Maybe a funny way to name it, but the that type of addiction is real
@@acidraindrops6657 Most men have that kind of addiction its just that most of us cant do it as often as we want to.
The so called sexoholiks are just the ones that can do it more often than most men.
I'm a sexoholic, I just can't live without Sexohol!
😮😮I never realized how deep all of the episodes were. It hits right in the spot
Marge Simpson, the Sheila Broflovski of her day.
ShyGuy83 kyles mums a big fat bitch
Sheila was way worse and actually committed murder against Terrence and Phillip. She is way more of a control freak and Marge at her worst would not have done what Sheila did.
Let me finish !
@@Yabuturtle that's just because South Park is considerably more fucked up than the Simpsons.
What-What-What-WHAT!!?
Your average "balanced" discussion on news broadcasts
This was funny when they made her in to a concerned squirrel.
"Don't do that! Don't do that! HEY, DON'T DO THAT!"
Homer: Take that you dumb squirrel! Where do they get their ideas?
“The darn thing went on for 30 years!”
What a stacked panel. Something like that would never happen in real life because we live in a world where such shows are weighted equally. 🙂
"And what's wrong with that?"
"Not a thing"
"with our local Emmy award host..."
This either their way to insult the Emmys, or they're implying that Kent Brockman is a talented at something other BUT being a newscast.
Local Emmys are a thing. They're pointless so they are just making fun of them.
@@OscarMaris Well, I learned something new today! (non-American here)
I always thought it was meant as "our local host who has won an Emmy", instead of "our host who has won a local Emmy".
MosoKaiser I love learning new things too
Kent Brockman is my favorite non-family character on the show
Homers expecting facial expression and the compressory tape on his head stand in stark contrast to each other
When I was a kid I only processed the part with Krusty and payed no attention to the discussion
Marge is such a badass i love it
Kent Brockman “Krusty!!” lol
The golden years of the Simpsons
Seasons 2-9, so *yep!*
2:26 the part of Kent Brockman makes me laugh 😂🤣🤣🤣
2:22 I fucking lost it 🤣
Lisa: You know, I think that if parents would spend less time worrying about what their kids watch on TV, and more time worrying about what's going in in their kid's lives, this world would be a much better place.
Bart: Yeah, I think that parents only get so offended by television because the rely on it as a babysitter, and the sole educator of their kids.
I don't think Marge has the right to say anything about bad influences when she pretty much tolerates every stupid thing Homer does.
And Bart too. Remember that episode where he tried to do that Evel Kneivel stunt in the canyon?
@@itsjemmabond Well Bart is a product of her tolerating Homer.
this is the real simpsons
Marge was badass here
Lol. Ok
Right.....
Nope, she was an SJW Karen here
this explains why the itchy and scratchy show has been portrayed as non-violent the last 23 years
Haven't anyone notice that in the earlier seasons marge was always trying to oppose something actively all the time just like when she was trying to get the burlesque house shut down, but as the seasons went on she slowly started being less contradictive of people's actions and went with the flow
With a few significant exceptions, of course, like Burns' casino.
Rck Dz and would then be seen as a total stay-at-home mom with no outside life whatsoever.
Yea they shifted that too Lisa and it seems like the Writers as the years went on took from that season 5 episode barts inner child where marge decided to go along with the flow and less naggy and actively trying to oppose things to flesh out her character more
I also see nothing wrong with laughing myself silly.
2:23 I think Krusty is on something 🤣
“What the hell is wrong with that??!!” 😂
Will say that it isn't because Itchy and Scratchy are not just violent, but rather gory as well. I think both sides are right in a way. We know there was violence back then. I don't have a problem with violent cartoons, but if something is marketed for children, you try to make something that's appropriate for children. Marge had some points, but her problem is that instead of taking responsibility and just simply monitoring what her children watch, she wants to ruin it for everyone.
I would do what I can to monitor what my kids watch. I mean, that's what a parent should do. I know full well there ARE some inappropriate things on children's programming. So that's why I watch it first. I know that kids DO mimic a lot of things on tv. Their minds are young and easy to mold and anyone who has kids knows what I'm talking about. Now I don't think kids become lunatics if they watch something violent at an early age. Often when they do something like that, they hung with the wrong crowd or were crazy to begin with. But TV really DOES have a huge influence over children and there's a lot of garbage on tv, internet, ect.
I know some will say that because they watched violent stuff when they were young, that means it's ok. Ok, why not just let them see rated r movies and how about porno while they're at it? How about no? There are some things that they do NOT need to see at that age. Not when they are so easily influenced. People really forget how easily it is to mold a child's mind with stuff. There's no real reason for them to see so much incredible violence and sex at such a young age. Not that they never should see something like that. It can be introduced gradually over time as they get older, when they can better process such scenes. Parents need to actually be parents and monitor what their kids watch, but studios are going to have children as their target audience, make stuff that should be for children. Don't take things that are meant for adults and try to market it that way. You can however do a balance like with the Batman Animated Series or Gargoyles tv show, where it can appeal to both children and adults. They had dark scenes, but nothing really "inappropriate" for children. But don't make so many scenes that are clearly violent or have so much sexual innuendos, weird disturbing stuff ect. and try to market it to children. If you want more adult stuff, then market it for adults or at least teenagers, if you want something that's somewhat adult.
I agree this is the parents' responsibility not the Government.
Tipper Gore tried to ruin music for everyone after she was appalled at a Prince album that her 11 year old daughter was listening to. I sided with the musicians on that case.
Whoa, Yabuturtle. You *actually* talked a lot of sense here. Those points you made are exactly it.
In that case, what do you think of cartoons like Ed Edd n Eddy, Dexter's Laboratory, Johnny Bravo, Powerpuff Girls, Courage The Cowardly Dog etc.?
@@mckenzymcneal5157 Speaking from me, I've saw quite a bit of "Dexter's", but never thought of it as too violent/inappropriate. Just a *good but not great* cartoon to spend a Saturday morning. Can *really* remember the "Omelette de Fromage" episode. PS: I am from the UK and can remember it being on "SM:TV", which was on free-TV. As for the others, seen bits-and-pieces of "Johnny Bravo" at my cousin's house who had pay-for TV and just remember a buff tool dancing around with girls and getting beat up by living teddy bears. So again, seemed like silly, cartoonish nonsense, but nothing too inappropriate. *Heard off but never watched* the other three cartoons you've mentioned, so I cannot comment for those.