It's no better on the other side of the pond either. We have sports talk shows - thankfully I never watch them but snippets of them popping up on Twitter are unavoidable - of people giving rancid bad takes that are too inflammatory to possibly believe them to be true. Fucking Hollywood-type bullshit with the acting required. Lord knows I must have at least 100 really bad football/soccer takes and poor Inter fans have to see me type them regularly in our corner of the internet, but for better or worse at least I believe in what I'm saying when I initially write it. Maybe someone knocks some sense into me, makes me realize I'm a fucking moron, and I adjust my view after being given better perspective, but I'm not gonna call Inzaghi the greatest manager to walk the earth one week then be yelling for his dismissal the next either...I'm stupid but not that stupid and vapid.
The worst thing about the Club is they're very childish and immature about the Kick Off - Buvey calling out TG, doing a Tier List, saying the Kick Off fell off, pretending they never worked for the show... it's such an elephant in the room, it's embarrassing
I’ve not watched a single clip or video of The Club other than one that popped up on TH-cam of Buvey offering to fight True Geordie that I found hilarious
@Vizeh they did a Tier List of all football podcasts on their show recently and when it came to the Kick off they ranked it fairly lowly and said it's dropped off in quality. Just very cringey and disrespectful really
@Vizeh think the favourite quote was Buvey saying it doesn't offer any credible insight anymore. Coming from the podcast where 2/3 or the members are clipped up constantly for awful takes haha
I mean, it's not too surprising to be honest. To me, Lawrence has always seemed decent. McKola/Jennings/Buvey have always come across as massive bellends.
I think it shows that youtube is treated as a business ultimately. Mark was saying it as well, the competition is so cutthroat that you try to force yourself up the ladder. I have no problem with Rory, Adam and Buvey trying to do that, but the manner in which they did (setting up the club within a week for the kick off splitting up) was really sad to watch. Especially Rory, as i remember him thanking Geordie for saving his life on the kick off christmas podcast just a year prior.
They make money based on shows done, it was not like they were on salary. And that season full table shows were very rare, only 4/5 when it was almost mid season. So saying it was a week thing (launching the club)fails to address big issue with management that was ongoing. They couldnt do the shows and as lawerence mentioned they were not contractually obligated. Fair play to everyone, they moved on.
@@thebrainsinc5410like Mark said they were nobody’s till Geordie gave them this opportunity, and they backstab him the first chance they get, pretending he doesn’t even exist before now taking cheap shots at him. Pathetic really.
If they'd done it at any other time because they decided thanks TG, we've enjoyed it but now we're moving on, it would be cool. But they did it right at the moment that their friend who pretty much built their careers for them put his foot in it and was thrown under the bus right when he needed their support the most. Lost all personal respect. They could have the best opinions in the game and I won't watch a minute.
@@davyprendergast82take it you’ll never change from your very first job even if you get much more skilled with experience to get better opportunities as you owe your life to the first opportunity you get then?
@@cracchead123 What watching people watching football shouting and sreaming foul language for views oh please I d rather watch the football and for Mark Goldbridge he worst then The Sun.
Whilst I feel somewhat sorry for True Geordie. People often forget that Hughwizzy was treated similarly, once he left the Kick Off, and replaced by that odious cretin Mckola. Wizzy was essentially retconned from history, and suddenly the viewers had to pretend along with the kick off crew, that Mckola was "One of the lads" from the start. So, as far as I am concerned, it's a little bit of karma.
Aye I remember that now too. I got blocked by Kick Off on Twitter by asking about Hugh Wizzy when they did a photo shoot and presented it as if it was just them all along
How Huge was treated after he left. Was totally fucked up! Almost as if he never even existed. They never even acknowledge him, in a video they made about TKO's anniversary. The "New" intros, and graphics, were sickening. Like it was an attempt to brainwash viewers into accepting Mcrat.
@@WelshDragon180 I'm not sure what to make of this. Nobody knows who tells the truth in front of a camera, and I didn't see what if anything Hugh Wizzy had to say about it, but TG did address comments asking why Hugh wasn't there in an episode of the kick off, and he spoke kindly about him but said that ultimately because Wizzy had his own successful channel, the economics of him appearing on the kick off didn't work (presumably meaning Wizzy wanted more money, which is fair enough, as he did have his own significant YT presence so he could demand more. TG signed off by saying he has nothing but respect for him and loves the lad but they couldn't thrash out a deal.
What Brian did was wrong, I don’t believe The Club itself was wrong to go seperate eventually, however to do it so quick and ignore everything I just find cold
As a fan of The Kick Off back in the day I completely agree that it’s nice to finally hear someone from it speak. I thought Laurence came across really well and it was a brilliant interview by Mark. Really good video tho by urself too and a good take on things.
I think Rory has shown himself to be a fake clickbait merchant who'd do anything to get some views. From pretending to be Brian's pal and doing a heartfelt 'thank you' video less than a year before his departure; to then seemingly cut and run without a word during a time Brian was under siege shows his true character. As Mark said in the podcast, the space has become oversaturated with mediocre clickbait merchants all doing the same thing and trying to get clicks with wild takes or over the top, unimaginative wind up 'banter'. Genuinely hope Loz and Brian can reconcile, their chemistry together was amazing
@@matthalsey7808what makes u say that? U feel like thats a gotcha? Genuinely trying to understand because if u google mark goldbridge it says his real name , he's not hiding it.
@@kaboutertje1561He said on a TG Podcast due to working at West Midlands Police as a Fraud Detective he could do TH-cam but not as his birth name Brent De Ceasare so he choose Mark Goldbridge at that stuck, weather or not he has actually changed his name by Deedpol and legally to Mark Goldbridge now Idk but his actual Name wouldn't be On Google due to working in a high profile Job for the Police.
I don't really care about who fell out with who or for why. I just watch these podcasts because i find them entertaining. These people aren't my friends, I have my own life
Can you do a video on the downfall of Stoke mate, we are in serious trouble at the bottom on the championship with no way of getting out of it now, only a few years ago we were beating Liverpool and playing in Europe
It all started with the board/fans deciding Tony Pulis wasn't good enough anymore. Not sure what fans of a small city club can expect other than consistent mid table prem finishes. Stick or twist. They twisted and it didn't work.
Best part of MG's interview with Loz was when he called out "The Kickoff" for never or rarely ever reading super chats. There were whole live streams where you could see one super chat after another ($$$) and the hosts never said a word about it other than, "some people in the chat are asking about..."
I don't even think it is football youtube but all of forms of football media where the opinions are just rage bait. When football media does this and you then look at the fans responses to it, I question how is it that people don't understand the football games that they have watched. One of the biggest problems in football media and with fans opinion wise is getting rid of players and managers, when rome was not built in a day and they need time. Before with a young promising talent you would slowly integrate them into the squad over a period of years, but now they are instantly being chucked in and expected to produce results. A manager has a good season at a new job then is instantly wanted by other clubs.
I really don't understand the appeal of the club. Why would you want what is basically the kickoff except the two charismatic and likeable people aren't there.
I get what you're saying. Football TH-camrs need to realize that you can make people click on your content by bringing them intriguing topics, not necessarily hate towards players or clickbaity opinions.
Strong agree, I go to TH-cam football for the tactics and discussion on where a game is won and lost. Four four two are brilliant at this. Tifo used to, but haven’t gone off the boil
I liked the introspection from Lawrence on why the trio left to create the club, they did not give enough buy into the kickoff so as to show value to them as the creators.
I feel it's important to point out how Rory and Adam said in one Christmas podcast with TG that Brian saved them from deep shit, I remember Rory saying he had a child and was poor and Brian helped him out of there.
When Laurence started doing podcasts and the kick off with True Geordie, i really liked him. He was a good partner for Geordie and i wont forget those days. Hope the best for the guy.
The titles are absolutely an issue. I hate them too. But his general football opinion contradicts it a lot of the time and is fair. I wish he stopped with the bs titles but alas.
My only issue with Golbridge is the titles which are usually holding different option to the actual video. All rage bait titles. I get why he does it ultimately, but man, it is the one thing that does, and will always irk me. His football opinion on Liverpool is very fair away from Man U it needs saying too, this season in particular he has shown little to non bias, applying nuance and context to Liverpool, be it the call against Spurs, Arsenal and City this season, because not because he merely cares for Liverpool, but he cares for the state of football.
That’s a huge point, they were friends first for many of Sharky and the boys and built a platform off that, it feels genuine and that’s why it comes across so well
I love hearing your opinion because, more often than not, it mimics my own. It creates a connection and the authenticity you spoke about in this video. It's why I continually watch you nowadays. Keep up the good work. I look forward to watching your videos.
I can’t thank you enough for this comment, I don’t know exactly what I offer that’s different to have this community but this has truly made my day, thank you Thumper❤
This can be summed up in a couple of sentences. Football fans turn away from tv pundits because they're pompous, arrogant bellends... Watch "real fans" online and it's fun because it feels like you're down the pub with your mates... "Real fans" turn into pompous, arrogant bellends.
I would’ve agreed with you about The Club being wrong for leaving before I watched Laurence’s video. Laurence said they had no ownership, no contract for regular shows and things had been bubbling away under the surface. They (Rory, Adam, some extents Buvey) became 3/5 of the show but weren’t treated like that. So I don’t think it’s too surprising or unreasonable that they moved on.
Maybe, but that ignores them being able to push their own fledgling channels on back of kick off, often uploading stuff after the show. Their OTT reaction proved TG was right not to give them a piece of Kick Off. Mckenna is the worst of them.
The Kick Off was great but when they really started to bring Buvey in as a permanent member, I really believe the beginning of the end was happening. The dynamic didn't come across as authentic anymore and it also took a big hit after Hugh left for very justifiable reasons in his own right. I don't know Buvey but he gives the impression of a troublemaker and it wouldn't surprise me if he started to spin the wheels for the backstabbing that took place towards the kickoff. Sometimes people become the characters they portray and Buvey gave off a narcissistic rage-baiter vibe.
One issue for me.. Was when TTG appeared on Steven Bartlett's podcast, "The Diary of a Wanker". And he said out loud. Not just in his own brain. But in his indoor voice. "I DESERVE THIS.. I DESERVE TO BE LEADER IN MY OWN FIELD". That was one of the big moments I was like "yeahhhh, I don't like HIM anymore.." Also, towards the end of the old lineup, of TTG, Loz, Adam, Buvey and Roryboy. The videos they were uploading, were more and more fracturious and bitty. Like there was a video about the TV coverage of Erikkson's heart attack during the Euros. And it deteriorated into attacking Loz for basically saying "..the decision to cut away was wrong, but the BBC didn't have control of the camera feeds, and probably the guys back in the UK studio weren't ready to be cut back to. And yeah, it's really bad what was done". And it just got tense.. and boring...
1️⃣ Ragebait from footballing podcasts are just the natural product of clickbaiting and disingenuous retention, sucks it has to be that way 2️⃣ As a former Lawrence Mckenna hater, I will say that he's matured the most out of The Kick Off and genuinely feel bad that he had to deal with the brunt of the downfall. His opinions on his personal channel nowadays are usually well-thought while still coming from passion. 3️⃣ I tried watching The Club when it first came out, but it was so difficult to watch as it became so corporate. If I was a new viewer I would have refused that the guys were friends outside of the show with every member looking like they work at a dead-end part-time job. 4️⃣ I'm so thankful that football content creators can grow if they out enough passion and hard work into it and also reinvent themselves into better channels like you had done. I look forward to what else you got to say about the footballing sphere. Cheers.
It's one thing the guys from The Club going and doing their own thing, it's another pretending they were never on The Kick Off and slyly mocking it even, like they would be anything without Brian and that show. While I don't necessarily agree with the way they left, I do understand it, but to never give props to Brian for giving them a career is pretty grim. Side note, how anyone can actually watch The Club is beyond me, 10 minutes of their vacuous shtick gives me brain rot.
dont act like they didnt MAKE the show. The whole appeal of it was to watch them talk about their opinions ... Look at TKO now, it's a shadow of what it was
Tbf to Rio when you watch the whole clip you can tell he’s pretty much only saying that about Arteta to wind up the Arsenal fan - it was tongue-in-cheek as much as anything. Obviously, a comment like that from someone like him is always gonna create discourse, but it’s important to discuss these things in context
As a local rival fan, I actually enjoy your channel. If you are going to talk about Rovers, do so and not as a Burnley fan. Open and honest. We want them gone. The Rao’s and Waggott are ruining us.
Just because the industry is cutthroat doesn't mean fans shouldn't judge your character when you stab your friends in the back. Snakes. Fair play to Laurence for giving Brian some leeway and sticking by him after the incident.
@@micckeymol4396 Your view on this situation is very narrow-minded and too Brian based. It was also their time of need. Rory, Buvey and Adam did not have contracts for the Kick Off, and Brian and his idiotic loud mouth lost multiples sources of revenue which would have been used to pay these guys. You simply cannot expect three grown men with homes, families and responsibilities to stay in that environment. Brians own actions blew their trust, simple as. They were fully in their own right to leave in any fashion and do whatever they wanted. So no, they didn't stab him in the back, they did what they needed to, which was to provide for themselves and their families. If Brian valued them so much, he would've offered them contracts, but he didn't.
@@olliemccartney9850 the difference being that Brian simply made a mistake whereas those 3 made a conscious decision to completely abandon him. Imagine how anyone would feel if 3 of your close friends just discarded you in such a way after you made a mistake. They could've used this situation as leverage to get some shares in the company and thus give them more incentive to rebuild rather than quit. They didn't have no other option but to quit, and they didn't seem to even want to try and help. Snakes.
@@micckeymol4396 What do you think Rorys wife and daughter would want? For him to stay at a company where the boss doesn’t offer him a contract and jeopardises the already non-guaranteed payments, or for him to leave and gain financial stability elsewhere on a permanent contract? I think they’d prefer financial stability. If they were my close friends, I would have offered them permanent contracts and would not have jeopardised their families livelihoods. Conversely, if I had a company where I didn’t offer my friends contracts and I blew all of our sponsors, I would fully understand and actually expect them to part ways with me and go another path. I’d clearly not be trust worthy. It’s funny how you, a no one to these guys, calls them snakes and doesn’t understand their side of the story, but Lawrence, who ACTUALLY knew them and the in an outs of the situation, said he completely understands why they left and that they were in their own right to do so. I think I’ll trust him over you.
The way they went about it was wrong, but we can’t say after the Muslim joke, they didn’t want to get dragged with him . And ngl it’s seems like people like the club over the kickoff rn
Lawrence is a weird one because I think he was the most emotionally effected by this because his family, career and livelihood were affected more so than the other guys that stepped away. I think he’s a huge talent that isn’t getting recognition he deserves. Yeah his jokes and presentation wasn’t the best but I always saw it as a character to rile up the others rather than him genuinely. He has definitely been the worst hit and fair play to him for speaking while still being respectful to them all even when they hurt him and it’d be valid to be angry and bitchy about that scenario
Maybe he's turned it around in the last few years, I go out of my way to avoid his content, but Goldbridge absolutely made his name through rage bait. He spent years trying to recapture the magic of AFTV, just with United.
The Club is just a poor man’s Kick Off, I think. Their unseemly click bait takes and comments are really embarrassing at times. And I got the Impression that Lawrence wanted to give his perspective without creating drama when he was talking to Goldbridge. If he had been completely honest he would have just said the obvious - the Club lads had bitten the hand that fed them by dropping TG at the earliest opportunity and shamelessly trying to re-create the Kick off. The trio act like they had something BEFORE working with Brian , but they had nothing of note
but brian had NOTHING before them either. They were the whole appeal of TKO. Fact is, TKO is just bland now with a bunch of insufferable nonces with the personalities of a tree.
I watched the club a bunch when it first came out but honestly the quality of content just isn't good at all and very clickbaity. The nice thing of the Kick Off is that it did feel like more of a conversation.
The thing i have noticed about football TH-cam is content creators with Agendas...as an Arsenal fan we have a few members specifically in a location in Spain that enjoys Arsenal losing...I cant enjoy the club like i did the Kick Off...but maybe it is probably due to understanding most that what is said is for clicks and views...I do help out on on a few small podcasts but it is done for fun not clicks or views....great video ..keep up good work
i know who u mentioning cant stand the dude but one thing that annoys me more is that everytime a big club have a blip in their season with a few losses almost every football content creator calls it a crisis or thehy are like maybe we should sack the manager
reading some of the comments and its apparent many of you are young without family or responsibilities (beyond paying for things you want - kids, rent, bills, mortgage, future). I watched Mark Goldbridge's interview with Laurence and it was incredibly well done. I also think that Laurence was incredibly understanding of what occurred - very mature to understand that they had to do what they had to do to ensure they were ok. Rory has a young child I believe and honestly, no matter how difficult, that child would take precedence over friends - they have to. Laurence said he has been untouchable until recently. As a father of a young child, that would not have been thinkable for Rory. Could things have been done differently - yes! But Laurence admits they did things wrong. By keeping them on the "payroll" and not giving them part of the company (something Laurence said they should have done) TG and Laurence kept part of their relationship as business. I don't blame "the club" boys for doing the same. For all the commenting about how they put the kickoff down the list in the tiers, I didn't see that but honestly, it isn't what it was. It is a shadow of itself. It's what brought be back to watch EPL - I loved it. Like sitting with the gang watching and ribbing each other. It's not that anymore. I hope it does find its feet again.
The problem is that the average football fan wants to hear the outrageous, inflammatory stuff, so you get idiots like Rory and Lawrence all over the algorithm
This is why I hate when football youtubers are successful. I don't mean you doing well and making money. I mean, when you are so successful that it's not about the love of making content anymore. To them, they lose that passion and only want to do it for the money
My read on The Club situation is that Loz was fine with them doing it, but wishes they had gone about it a little differently. But I also take him at his word that the sting he felt from that has ebbed over time a bit, and he's kind of ready to just move past it. The failure to give those 3 guys a contract and cut them into a share of the steady KO income created a situation that was basically begging for them to be poached by someone trying to establish a competitor product. And that was TG and Loz's choice to let that situation linger. But, the coldness of the departure can still be critiqued.
Pitch side, and things like it. One look, one listen at their opinions, and i am immediately never watching any of it. The market is saturated when it comes to opinion shows and podcasts, and as such the worst and loudest voices will always make the biggest impact. The unsaturated markets are niche but intelligent coverage of the aspects of the game we love. ❤ keep it up vizeh
Was literally about to comment about pitch side. I couldn’t get through an episode of it. So unauthentic. That’s why I think Mark Goldbridge is so successful because love him or hate him, he is authentic and unapologetically himself
I just learned True Goerdie directed that "islamophobic" remarks towards Andrew Tate. Well, as a muslim let me say this: that pimp is the worst thing that happen to islam since the war on terror. I don't know what True Goerdie said, but I'll allow it.
Great video and some interesting insights. Though I’d still say we don’t know the full ins and outs of what went on, and likely (rightly) never will. In the podcast Loz actually says “me and Brian don’t have a relationship anymore”. Which is very very interesting because he continued to do stuff with him for a month or so after the incident. Think what you want about McKola, Rory and Buvey, but I think what is also fair to say is that they were left very exposed both financially and “reputationally” by the comments made. Also let’s remember that there was an ‘apology’ video made days after which could have saved the situation somewhat but was actually such a shambles that it made it worse and almost made a mockery of the situation. Loz pretty much admitted this too. And let’s be honest but who’s to say who should and who shouldn’t be offended by the comments made. What if certain individuals were offended and it made them think twice about wanting to be mates with someone who makes comments such as that? I don’t know, I do think that The Club lads need to stop poking little sly jibes here and there on their streams, a couple at first were relatively funny but after that it’s gotten a bit daft. Just pack it in. And I do think they should have had it out with TG, got round a table and aired it to each other, then go separate ways. But at the same time…. They do have their own careers, own lives, own families to think about and Brian had put his foot in it a few times, so can also see their reasoning for doing their own thing. Just trying to see both sides, I think a lot of videos weigh heavily one way or the other. And if you don’t like Buvey or Rory etc then it’s natural to want to label them as snakes etc. But good video. Subbed. some interesting stuff 👍🏼
Goldbridge was ridiculous when he began and you can see other creators trying to copy him. Now they do this while Goldbridge is becoming far more moderate and level headed but still gives a taster to the fans from the early days to keep them happy.
The reaction to TG joke was way OTT. The way the lads he'd brought through-whilst allowing them to push their fledgling YT channels-was ridiculous. What a sorry mob they are. Buvey, Mckenna and especially McKola have proved theyre not very good on their own. Mckenna especially is so vanilla its ridiculous.
I've never watched the Club even though to be honest I probably enjoyed McKola and Rory's craic more than True Geordie's, but I just couldn't stand the appalling disloyalty where they threw the guy who made their careers under the bus. I lost all personal respect for them so I couldn't care less whether they are good craic or not. Still watch the kick off even though I don't enjoy it quite as much anymore
I only like you more with every upload mate, really enjoy hearing your insight and getting a genuine perspective on things happening inside the football creator space, from someone inside the space. Keep it going brother 💪
Rory has shown himself to be pretty toxic … even about my beloved Chelsea .. he just spews so much click bait trash … and he is always attacking people (chill out Rory FFS ) … I’d much rather listen to Laurence any day. He just comes across as much nicer in general. I agree with everything you’ve said about the YT football scene … shout out for Football Therapy .. Yan is such a lovely fella… always analyses with a cool head and never is toxic … it’s the best place for a Chelsea fan. You ain’t bad yourself either Vizeh 😂 ..
Its the guys that treat football like it only started in the 90s. They have no understanding of football pre the PL. Imagine Maradona at the height of his powers playing today where no-one can really tackle him anymore, its frightening. Football tiday is a tame version of the game i grew up with its sanitised to within an inch of its life abd alk anyone cares about is money money money. Fans don't care if its a despotic dictatorship with an awful human rights record as long as it makes their club a challenger Fans are different from 30 years ago now its me me me.
Unfortunately, and I say this as an '87 guy. I am borderline the age demograph who would have got into football youtube. Anyone older will have already established themselves in other avenues. Tbh I 'd love to do some football podcast myself but I am a full time teacher. So it's just not feasible from my end only just starting. Guys like Goldbridge and Robbie are more the exception to the rule. Albeit in the latter's case, age, doesn't mean you know much given his awful takes. Especially over the last 2 years, but I would argue for several years lol.
Last month I left a mildly questioning critical comment on a Laurence video, and he absolutely exploded on me. Wrote an entire condescending, backhanded screed. I was astounded, I've never been written such a rude, baiting, passive-aggressive message in my life, and I've been online a long time. It's not like I usually comment, or was harassing him--rarely do I even bother writing anything. So to me it felt unwarranted to berate me that way. Who knows, perhaps I caught him on a bad day/at a bad time, or accidentally used a word or phrase that sets him off, but even still he went too far. Lost all respect for him, and I didn't have more than a basic level to begin with. By contrast, Rory's only ever been genuine and polite in replying to me, likewise JLA & Flav and that lot, so perhaps it isn't all or most footballtubers like this, just Laurence.
@@connorfrost195 until he went off on me unprovoked, I did like and enjoy him to a mild curious degree. Was never a fan per se, but I didn't dislike him either. After the one exchange though, it's hard to see him in a good light.
@@connorfrost195 well it was about 5 weeks ago as I say, but iirc the gist was that I just said that there is disproportional outrage and upset about certain things in the mens' game, and then he decided to lecture me about respecting everyone's feelings (except mine that in his view don't count, apparently).
Bunch of Amateurs is a great channel. Dorking has taken the headlines in the National League and is a huge part of the channel. But they now follow Raynes Park Vale (another non league club) and they do a great job getting the fan perspective while taking you behind the scenes at a pro/semi-pro football club.
The Club really just strikes me as a bunch of guys who know absolutely nothing about football talking about football. It really is terrible, the balding guy and the brummie sound utterly clueless at all times.
ngl they getting that money and views but people like buvey honestly are the worst thing to happen in football youtube even back in his 90min days there is a difference between trolling and downright arrogance and bias
Rage bait as u put it is nothing knew. It was one of the key asspects to sports radio shows. Adrian Durham was the master of saying things he might not agree with but knew would get people to phone in yet being able to loosely back up his opinion. After all there a reason he held radio show for over 20 years.
Goldfish and the United Stand are the worse he supports Forrest to start off with, he's so far up he's own arse it's unreal and he makes loads of stuff up too
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This is how I feel when an AwayDays guest has the audacity to do their own content
This is why we love ya
Just found out about you channel and I like you guys work.
Awaydays and Liam to me are the future of football youtube
That's why your the best
Dont forget Smiv. Hes the goat of travelling england for football@aclockworkreview
It’s very obvious that a lot of these podcasts don’t really believe the opinions they put out…
Love your content, and as a fellow united fan we shall suffer together😂
It's no better on the other side of the pond either. We have sports talk shows - thankfully I never watch them but snippets of them popping up on Twitter are unavoidable - of people giving rancid bad takes that are too inflammatory to possibly believe them to be true. Fucking Hollywood-type bullshit with the acting required. Lord knows I must have at least 100 really bad football/soccer takes and poor Inter fans have to see me type them regularly in our corner of the internet, but for better or worse at least I believe in what I'm saying when I initially write it. Maybe someone knocks some sense into me, makes me realize I'm a fucking moron, and I adjust my view after being given better perspective, but I'm not gonna call Inzaghi the greatest manager to walk the earth one week then be yelling for his dismissal the next either...I'm stupid but not that stupid and vapid.
100%, good to see you here man! Hope you’re well!
@@Vizeh Cheers, same to you, man! I'm always watching in the background haha.
You, Vizeh, HITC Sevens, Maqwell and maybe Statman Dave are the only football TH-camrs that are really solid.
…the rest are full of sh*t 😕
The worst thing about the Club is they're very childish and immature about the Kick Off - Buvey calling out TG, doing a Tier List, saying the Kick Off fell off, pretending they never worked for the show... it's such an elephant in the room, it's embarrassing
I’ve not watched a single clip or video of The Club other than one that popped up on TH-cam of Buvey offering to fight True Geordie that I found hilarious
@Vizeh they did a Tier List of all football podcasts on their show recently and when it came to the Kick off they ranked it fairly lowly and said it's dropped off in quality. Just very cringey and disrespectful really
@@tpfootballanalysis6752 hahaha wow that is something, need to see that
@Vizeh think the favourite quote was Buvey saying it doesn't offer any credible insight anymore. Coming from the podcast where 2/3 or the members are clipped up constantly for awful takes haha
I mean, it's not too surprising to be honest. To me, Lawrence has always seemed decent. McKola/Jennings/Buvey have always come across as massive bellends.
I think it shows that youtube is treated as a business ultimately. Mark was saying it as well, the competition is so cutthroat that you try to force yourself up the ladder. I have no problem with Rory, Adam and Buvey trying to do that, but the manner in which they did (setting up the club within a week for the kick off splitting up) was really sad to watch. Especially Rory, as i remember him thanking Geordie for saving his life on the kick off christmas podcast just a year prior.
It was a fantastic video from Mark, I wished it just went better in end
They make money based on shows done, it was not like they were on salary. And that season full table shows were very rare, only 4/5 when it was almost mid season.
So saying it was a week thing (launching the club)fails to address big issue with management that was ongoing. They couldnt do the shows and as lawerence mentioned they were not contractually obligated. Fair play to everyone, they moved on.
@@thebrainsinc5410like Mark said they were nobody’s till Geordie gave them this opportunity, and they backstab him the first chance they get, pretending he doesn’t even exist before now taking cheap shots at him. Pathetic really.
If they'd done it at any other time because they decided thanks TG, we've enjoyed it but now we're moving on, it would be cool. But they did it right at the moment that their friend who pretty much built their careers for them put his foot in it and was thrown under the bus right when he needed their support the most. Lost all personal respect. They could have the best opinions in the game and I won't watch a minute.
@@davyprendergast82take it you’ll never change from your very first job even if you get much more skilled with experience to get better opportunities as you owe your life to the first opportunity you get then?
The days of KickTV live streams and then early Kickoff streams was a thing a beauty to be real with ya'll
The Hughwizzy and Statman Dave days🕊️
They even had Behzinga on as well, they were unmatched in their prime
@@cracchead123 What watching people watching football shouting and sreaming foul language for views oh please I d rather watch the football and for Mark Goldbridge he worst then The Sun.
@@cracchead123Yes I don't understand it.
@@MattGFC1977 Isn't that basically watching football anywhere? 😂😂 Have you ever watched football in a pub or with friends?
We can never forget prime kick off…
Go home
Theo your dad is a mug
Your moma@@carl-johankirchgassner9847
@@carl-johankirchgassner9847this ain’t twitter, shut the fuck up
Hugh Wizzy🕊️
Whilst I feel somewhat sorry for True Geordie. People often forget that Hughwizzy was treated similarly, once he left the Kick Off, and replaced by that odious cretin Mckola. Wizzy was essentially retconned from history, and suddenly the viewers had to pretend along with the kick off crew, that Mckola was "One of the lads" from the start. So, as far as I am concerned, it's a little bit of karma.
Aye I remember that now too. I got blocked by Kick Off on Twitter by asking about Hugh Wizzy when they did a photo shoot and presented it as if it was just them all along
How Huge was treated after he left. Was totally fucked up! Almost as if he never even existed. They never even acknowledge him, in a video they made about TKO's anniversary. The "New" intros, and graphics, were sickening. Like it was an attempt to brainwash viewers into accepting Mcrat.
@@WelshDragon180 I'm not sure what to make of this. Nobody knows who tells the truth in front of a camera, and I didn't see what if anything Hugh Wizzy had to say about it, but TG did address comments asking why Hugh wasn't there in an episode of the kick off, and he spoke kindly about him but said that ultimately because Wizzy had his own successful channel, the economics of him appearing on the kick off didn't work (presumably meaning Wizzy wanted more money, which is fair enough, as he did have his own significant YT presence so he could demand more. TG signed off by saying he has nothing but respect for him and loves the lad but they couldn't thrash out a deal.
With Hugh from what I gathered it was a case of financial disagreement, I really wish he stayed on man
@@Vizehyea i heard this too. Although have no clue what their relationship to Hugh is nowadays, probably was always just business
Definitely made my feel a bit bad for Brian.
I can't be sure, but I don't think he deserved to be abandoned the way he was.
What Brian did was wrong, I don’t believe The Club itself was wrong to go seperate eventually, however to do it so quick and ignore everything I just find cold
Bruh no offence to westerners but this is the western way.
As soon as someone is about to get cancelled people flee.
@@yungslack7311true
Yep. Cowards
@@yungslack7311England is apart of western society so it tracks
I’d rather pull my ears off than listen to any of the PitchSide lads talk about football
they take a similar approach by pulling their brains out before each stream
As a fan of The Kick Off back in the day I completely agree that it’s nice to finally hear someone from it speak. I thought Laurence came across really well and it was a brilliant interview by Mark. Really good video tho by urself too and a good take on things.
Thank you mate, good to finally get some closure on it
I'm pretty new to football youtube and I randomly found Lawrence's channel without knowing his history. I enjoy his videos.
Likewise
That’s actually really cool
I think Rory has shown himself to be a fake clickbait merchant who'd do anything to get some views. From pretending to be Brian's pal and doing a heartfelt 'thank you' video less than a year before his departure; to then seemingly cut and run without a word during a time Brian was under siege shows his true character.
As Mark said in the podcast, the space has become oversaturated with mediocre clickbait merchants all doing the same thing and trying to get clicks with wild takes or over the top, unimaginative wind up 'banter'.
Genuinely hope Loz and Brian can reconcile, their chemistry together was amazing
The goldbridge McKenna interview was a gem
I really loved their 2nd half of the video when they delved deep into TH-cam and how it contrasts to mainstream entities
It’s Brent de cesare
@@matthalsey7808yes he is named after a medical procedure
@@matthalsey7808what makes u say that? U feel like thats a gotcha? Genuinely trying to understand because if u google mark goldbridge it says his real name , he's not hiding it.
@@kaboutertje1561He said on a TG Podcast due to working at West Midlands Police as a Fraud Detective he could do TH-cam but not as his birth name Brent De Ceasare so he choose Mark Goldbridge at that stuck, weather or not he has actually changed his name by Deedpol and legally to Mark Goldbridge now Idk but his actual Name wouldn't be On Google due to working in a high profile Job for the Police.
much needed discourse in the football social media space, thank you for your service
Thank you Antoine
I love how since the Goldbridge interview football TH-cam is now being referred to as 'the space' 🤣🤣
I don't really care about who fell out with who or for why. I just watch these podcasts because i find them entertaining. These people aren't my friends, I have my own life
Can you do a video on the downfall of Stoke mate, we are in serious trouble at the bottom on the championship with no way of getting out of it now, only a few years ago we were beating Liverpool and playing in Europe
Great shout, got plans of a Stoke video in near future
@@Vizehthanks mate, look forward to it - love the videos
@@Vizehcan you do millwall
It all started with the board/fans deciding Tony Pulis wasn't good enough anymore. Not sure what fans of a small city club can expect other than consistent mid table prem finishes. Stick or twist. They twisted and it didn't work.
HITC Sevens, sure they did a video of downfall of Stoke
The club never reached the heights of kick off and felt disconnected from day 1
The Kick Off was ELITE back then
I really wished Hugh Wizzy stayed😢
Hugh leaving sparked the downfall for me, and especially the elephant in the room as it was never addressed.
@@TheBigFish9 They actually adressed that. Basically Hugh thought he was more money worth, than TG offered.
@@fredsflintstone3702 now you’ve said it that does ring a bell he said it in one of his streams about worth. 👍
I too am part of the "few friends in football YT" club.🤝
Have we just become best friends?
@@Vizeh by default but also by choice.💘
we love you Adrian ‼️
Best part of MG's interview with Loz was when he called out "The Kickoff" for never or rarely ever reading super chats. There were whole live streams where you could see one super chat after another ($$$) and the hosts never said a word about it other than, "some people in the chat are asking about..."
They did read them out a lot
I just have one question; if we throw PR out of the window, who is really at fault for this and who could have prevented all of this and why???
I don't even think it is football youtube but all of forms of football media where the opinions are just rage bait. When football media does this and you then look at the fans responses to it, I question how is it that people don't understand the football games that they have watched.
One of the biggest problems in football media and with fans opinion wise is getting rid of players and managers, when rome was not built in a day and they need time. Before with a young promising talent you would slowly integrate them into the squad over a period of years, but now they are instantly being chucked in and expected to produce results. A manager has a good season at a new job then is instantly wanted by other clubs.
That’s a very good point, especially in Football Journalism it’s much down one form of content and any other route is thrown to the side
I really don't understand the appeal of the club. Why would you want what is basically the kickoff except the two charismatic and likeable people aren't there.
Damn
A bit harsh
except the club is much better than TKO now with their crew of insufferable nonces
I get what you're saying. Football TH-camrs need to realize that you can make people click on your content by bringing them intriguing topics, not necessarily hate towards players or clickbaity opinions.
It can be a mix but you got to have it balanced I feel
How will they realize when what they are doing works, gets views and is much easier?
Strong agree, I go to TH-cam football for the tactics and discussion on where a game is won and lost. Four four two are brilliant at this. Tifo used to, but haven’t gone off the boil
Mark Goldbridge is the epitomy of a clickbait youtuber
He's probably the worst one
We are getting spoiled this week
Cheers Marcos
I liked the introspection from Lawrence on why the trio left to create the club, they did not give enough buy into the kickoff so as to show value to them as the creators.
The whole The Club crew did True Geordie so wrong
It all happened so fast, utterly shameless... U can just tell Rory is a horrible little shit show of a human being... A bitter little snake.
No they didn’t. They had every right to leave.
@@iseekq Not the way they did. Laurence did it the right way. The rest of them took advantage
@@donnyannessa654 What do you mean "the way they left"? They just left. End of.
@@iseekq Stole sponsors.
That Chavski Cnut Rory is the worst
I feel it's important to point out how Rory and Adam said in one Christmas podcast with TG that Brian saved them from deep shit, I remember Rory saying he had a child and was poor and Brian helped him out of there.
When Laurence started doing podcasts and the kick off with True Geordie, i really liked him. He was a good partner for Geordie and i wont forget those days. Hope the best for the guy.
My favorite channels are the smaller ones covering low coverage leagues like the Belgian League or League of Ireland
The Sweeper is a fantastic podcast that covers some incredible topics like that!
Personally the original kick off was the best. Pitchside is the worst, they’re on their phones half the time. Anyway a good vid sir.
You're a thoughtful guy, dude. That's a superpower these days.
mark goldbridge titles every video with "DISGRACE" or "CRISIS" literally the biggest grifter out of all of them
👍 100%
I’d much rather Paddock.
The titles are absolutely an issue. I hate them too. But his general football opinion contradicts it a lot of the time and is fair.
I wish he stopped with the bs titles but alas.
Thats how to mkve on youtube. Its the content that matters.
His actual content is fine and he seems fair and balanced, even for a Manchester United fan. Agreed about the ridiculous video titles though. 😅
My only issue with Golbridge is the titles which are usually holding different option to the actual video. All rage bait titles. I get why he does it ultimately, but man, it is the one thing that does, and will always irk me.
His football opinion on Liverpool is very fair away from Man U it needs saying too, this season in particular he has shown little to non bias, applying nuance and context to Liverpool, be it the call against Spurs, Arsenal and City this season, because not because he merely cares for Liverpool, but he cares for the state of football.
You’re right mate, it was a lovely bit of closure. I used to watch the old kick off, religiously.
I still have love for Loz & TG.
Was a great video by Mark
SdS is clear now anyways. Guys that actually grew up with each other and part of friendship circles from school with a few guests that have helped
That’s a huge point, they were friends first for many of Sharky and the boys and built a platform off that, it feels genuine and that’s why it comes across so well
@@Vizehabsolutely
Mckola was absolutely not irrelevant before kick off lol goldbridge said that for such obvious reasons 😂😂😂...
I love hearing your opinion because, more often than not, it mimics my own. It creates a connection and the authenticity you spoke about in this video. It's why I continually watch you nowadays. Keep up the good work. I look forward to watching your videos.
I can’t thank you enough for this comment, I don’t know exactly what I offer that’s different to have this community but this has truly made my day, thank you Thumper❤
This can be summed up in a couple of sentences. Football fans turn away from tv pundits because they're pompous, arrogant bellends... Watch "real fans" online and it's fun because it feels like you're down the pub with your mates... "Real fans" turn into pompous, arrogant bellends.
I would’ve agreed with you about The Club being wrong for leaving before I watched Laurence’s video. Laurence said they had no ownership, no contract for regular shows and things had been bubbling away under the surface. They (Rory, Adam, some extents Buvey) became 3/5 of the show but weren’t treated like that. So I don’t think it’s too surprising or unreasonable that they moved on.
Maybe, but that ignores them being able to push their own fledgling channels on back of kick off, often uploading stuff after the show.
Their OTT reaction proved TG was right not to give them a piece of Kick Off.
Mckenna is the worst of them.
The football TH-cam space especially on the fan pundit side seems like a snakepit
Sadly it’s just how it goes, it’s so important to build your own platform than rely on others
James Lawrence Allcott and Mark Goldbridge are great for footy content, TG is good for fight/boxing stuff though.
Very true, anfield agenda is annoying, most of it is click bait.
Oh it's fucking awful. And he's such a fucking cry baby.
Was one of his first 250 subscribers. Unsubscribed 3 months ago. Pure clickbait and a lot of talking down to his subs.
@@wdred Exactly. And getting upset when Klopp says pretty reasonable stuff like 'Our fans should have reasonable expectations.'
The Kick Off was great but when they really started to bring Buvey in as a permanent member, I really believe the beginning of the end was happening. The dynamic didn't come across as authentic anymore and it also took a big hit after Hugh left for very justifiable reasons in his own right. I don't know Buvey but he gives the impression of a troublemaker and it wouldn't surprise me if he started to spin the wheels for the backstabbing that took place towards the kickoff. Sometimes people become the characters they portray and Buvey gave off a narcissistic rage-baiter vibe.
One issue for me.. Was when TTG appeared on Steven Bartlett's podcast, "The Diary of a Wanker".
And he said out loud. Not just in his own brain. But in his indoor voice. "I DESERVE THIS.. I DESERVE TO BE LEADER IN MY OWN FIELD".
That was one of the big moments I was like "yeahhhh, I don't like HIM anymore.."
Also, towards the end of the old lineup, of TTG, Loz, Adam, Buvey and Roryboy. The videos they were uploading, were more and more fracturious and bitty. Like there was a video about the TV coverage of Erikkson's heart attack during the Euros. And it deteriorated into attacking Loz for basically saying "..the decision to cut away was wrong, but the BBC didn't have control of the camera feeds, and probably the guys back in the UK studio weren't ready to be cut back to. And yeah, it's really bad what was done". And it just got tense.. and boring...
1️⃣ Ragebait from footballing podcasts are just the natural product of clickbaiting and disingenuous retention, sucks it has to be that way
2️⃣ As a former Lawrence Mckenna hater, I will say that he's matured the most out of The Kick Off and genuinely feel bad that he had to deal with the brunt of the downfall. His opinions on his personal channel nowadays are usually well-thought while still coming from passion.
3️⃣ I tried watching The Club when it first came out, but it was so difficult to watch as it became so corporate. If I was a new viewer I would have refused that the guys were friends outside of the show with every member looking like they work at a dead-end part-time job.
4️⃣ I'm so thankful that football content creators can grow if they out enough passion and hard work into it and also reinvent themselves into better channels like you had done. I look forward to what else you got to say about the footballing sphere. Cheers.
It's one thing the guys from The Club going and doing their own thing, it's another pretending they were never on The Kick Off and slyly mocking it even, like they would be anything without Brian and that show. While I don't necessarily agree with the way they left, I do understand it, but to never give props to Brian for giving them a career is pretty grim. Side note, how anyone can actually watch The Club is beyond me, 10 minutes of their vacuous shtick gives me brain rot.
that's why u should never give someone a career. Now I understand why mark is so serious about anyone going and doing content with someone else.
dont act like they didnt MAKE the show. The whole appeal of it was to watch them talk about their opinions ... Look at TKO now, it's a shadow of what it was
I hope this channel grows! This guy is authentic and I like how you focus on teams away from the big league.
Tbf to Rio when you watch the whole clip you can tell he’s pretty much only saying that about Arteta to wind up the Arsenal fan - it was tongue-in-cheek as much as anything. Obviously, a comment like that from someone like him is always gonna create discourse, but it’s important to discuss these things in context
As a local rival fan, I actually enjoy your channel. If you are going to talk about Rovers, do so and not as a Burnley fan. Open and honest. We want them gone. The Rao’s and Waggott are ruining us.
Just because the industry is cutthroat doesn't mean fans shouldn't judge your character when you stab your friends in the back. Snakes.
Fair play to Laurence for giving Brian some leeway and sticking by him after the incident.
I don’t blame them for wanting to leave, I just think the transparency had to be key and from Brian’s comments it’s clear that it was all cold hearted
@@Vizeh it's not just the transparency, it's the the fact they abandoned him in a time of need.
@@micckeymol4396 Your view on this situation is very narrow-minded and too Brian based.
It was also their time of need. Rory, Buvey and Adam did not have contracts for the Kick Off, and Brian and his idiotic loud mouth lost multiples sources of revenue which would have been used to pay these guys. You simply cannot expect three grown men with homes, families and responsibilities to stay in that environment. Brians own actions blew their trust, simple as. They were fully in their own right to leave in any fashion and do whatever they wanted.
So no, they didn't stab him in the back, they did what they needed to, which was to provide for themselves and their families. If Brian valued them so much, he would've offered them contracts, but he didn't.
@@olliemccartney9850 the difference being that Brian simply made a mistake whereas those 3 made a conscious decision to completely abandon him.
Imagine how anyone would feel if 3 of your close friends just discarded you in such a way after you made a mistake.
They could've used this situation as leverage to get some shares in the company and thus give them more incentive to rebuild rather than quit.
They didn't have no other option but to quit, and they didn't seem to even want to try and help.
Snakes.
@@micckeymol4396 What do you think Rorys wife and daughter would want? For him to stay at a company where the boss doesn’t offer him a contract and jeopardises the already non-guaranteed payments, or for him to leave and gain financial stability elsewhere on a permanent contract? I think they’d prefer financial stability.
If they were my close friends, I would have offered them permanent contracts and would not have jeopardised their families livelihoods. Conversely, if I had a company where I didn’t offer my friends contracts and I blew all of our sponsors, I would fully understand and actually expect them to part ways with me and go another path. I’d clearly not be trust worthy.
It’s funny how you, a no one to these guys, calls them snakes and doesn’t understand their side of the story, but Lawrence, who ACTUALLY knew them and the in an outs of the situation, said he completely understands why they left and that they were in their own right to do so. I think I’ll trust him over you.
The way they went about it was wrong, but we can’t say after the Muslim joke, they didn’t want to get dragged with him . And ngl it’s seems like people like the club over the kickoff rn
of course they do. It's basically TKO without the bad side
Buisness and Entertainment in the past: Make People happy = Money.
Buisness and Entertainment today: Make people upset and angry = Money
Lawrence is a weird one because I think he was the most emotionally effected by this because his family, career and livelihood were affected more so than the other guys that stepped away. I think he’s a huge talent that isn’t getting recognition he deserves. Yeah his jokes and presentation wasn’t the best but I always saw it as a character to rile up the others rather than him genuinely. He has definitely been the worst hit and fair play to him for speaking while still being respectful to them all even when they hurt him and it’d be valid to be angry and bitchy about that scenario
Maybe he's turned it around in the last few years, I go out of my way to avoid his content, but Goldbridge absolutely made his name through rage bait.
He spent years trying to recapture the magic of AFTV, just with United.
The Club is just a poor man’s Kick Off, I think. Their unseemly click bait takes and comments are really embarrassing at times. And I got the Impression that Lawrence wanted to give his perspective without creating drama when he was talking to Goldbridge. If he had been completely honest he would have just said the obvious - the Club lads had bitten the hand that fed them by dropping TG at the earliest opportunity and shamelessly trying to re-create the Kick off. The trio act like they had something BEFORE working with Brian , but they had nothing of note
but brian had NOTHING before them either. They were the whole appeal of TKO. Fact is, TKO is just bland now with a bunch of insufferable nonces with the personalities of a tree.
I watched the club a bunch when it first came out but honestly the quality of content just isn't good at all and very clickbaity. The nice thing of the Kick Off is that it did feel like more of a conversation.
The thing i have noticed about football TH-cam is content creators with Agendas...as an Arsenal fan we have a few members specifically in a location in Spain that enjoys Arsenal losing...I cant enjoy the club like i did the Kick Off...but maybe it is probably due to understanding most that what is said is for clicks and views...I do help out on on a few small podcasts but it is done for fun not clicks or views....great video
..keep up good work
i know who u mentioning cant stand the dude but one thing that annoys me more is that everytime a big club have a blip in their season with a few losses almost every football content creator calls it a crisis or thehy are like maybe we should sack the manager
@harrypotterstories3291 it's seems abnormal...I watch other sports and don't see the irrational reactions that I do in this sport...
Saw you on Back of the Net with Sam today, enjoyed your honesty and passion and started following your channel.
reading some of the comments and its apparent many of you are young without family or responsibilities (beyond paying for things you want - kids, rent, bills, mortgage, future). I watched Mark Goldbridge's interview with Laurence and it was incredibly well done. I also think that Laurence was incredibly understanding of what occurred - very mature to understand that they had to do what they had to do to ensure they were ok. Rory has a young child I believe and honestly, no matter how difficult, that child would take precedence over friends - they have to. Laurence said he has been untouchable until recently. As a father of a young child, that would not have been thinkable for Rory.
Could things have been done differently - yes! But Laurence admits they did things wrong. By keeping them on the "payroll" and not giving them part of the company (something Laurence said they should have done) TG and Laurence kept part of their relationship as business. I don't blame "the club" boys for doing the same. For all the commenting about how they put the kickoff down the list in the tiers, I didn't see that but honestly, it isn't what it was. It is a shadow of itself. It's what brought be back to watch EPL - I loved it. Like sitting with the gang watching and ribbing each other. It's not that anymore. I hope it does find its feet again.
The problem is that the average football fan wants to hear the outrageous, inflammatory stuff, so you get idiots like Rory and Lawrence all over the algorithm
Name one outrageous take I’ve had.
for the most part chasing views for interaction and money has become more important than offering any rational insight into football.
This is why I hate when football youtubers are successful. I don't mean you doing well and making money.
I mean, when you are so successful that it's not about the love of making content anymore. To them, they lose that passion and only want to do it for the money
I think that happens with a lot of people, it’s healthy to have a group of mates outside the space
I think you have a bigger problem with The Club than Loz. He's just done a video with Rory. I think he understands now, why they made those moves
It's also fascinating that Rory and Lawrence did a video together like 3 days ago 👀
On sky or
@@wesley5900 on Rory's channel. Day before EFL Cup final
I saw, hope to see Loz be given more opportunity
@@Vizeh same.
@@wesley5900 on Rory's channel before the EFL Cup game.
I agree with you about the clip bait and saying outrageous things for views, but that has been happening in mainstream media for years and years
not only that, they invented it
As a Blackburn fan, I might avoid the next one.
The irony is that this video is exactly what the TH-camr is criticising
No, Just no
@@-venomblustudios-7069Yeah considering that this video is certainly rage bait
My read on The Club situation is that Loz was fine with them doing it, but wishes they had gone about it a little differently. But I also take him at his word that the sting he felt from that has ebbed over time a bit, and he's kind of ready to just move past it. The failure to give those 3 guys a contract and cut them into a share of the steady KO income created a situation that was basically begging for them to be poached by someone trying to establish a competitor product. And that was TG and Loz's choice to let that situation linger. But, the coldness of the departure can still be critiqued.
Pitch side, and things like it. One look, one listen at their opinions, and i am immediately never watching any of it.
The market is saturated when it comes to opinion shows and podcasts, and as such the worst and loudest voices will always make the biggest impact.
The unsaturated markets are niche but intelligent coverage of the aspects of the game we love. ❤ keep it up vizeh
The pitch side lads are good guys but it’s clear that the marketing strategy is aimed
Was literally about to comment about pitch side. I couldn’t get through an episode of it. So unauthentic. That’s why I think Mark Goldbridge is so successful because love him or hate him, he is authentic and unapologetically himself
@@samgeelzzz2229 and contradicts himself constantly.
I don't understand how everything has now become a The Club hitpiece. They doing their own thing, let them do it. Football TH-cam drame is so cringe.
I just learned True Goerdie directed that "islamophobic" remarks towards Andrew Tate. Well, as a muslim let me say this: that pimp is the worst thing that happen to islam since the war on terror. I don't know what True Goerdie said, but I'll allow it.
Great video and some interesting insights. Though I’d still say we don’t know the full ins and outs of what went on, and likely (rightly) never will. In the podcast Loz actually says “me and Brian don’t have a relationship anymore”. Which is very very interesting because he continued to do stuff with him for a month or so after the incident.
Think what you want about McKola, Rory and Buvey, but I think what is also fair to say is that they were left very exposed both financially and “reputationally” by the comments made. Also let’s remember that there was an ‘apology’ video made days after which could have saved the situation somewhat but was actually such a shambles that it made it worse and almost made a mockery of the situation. Loz pretty much admitted this too. And let’s be honest but who’s to say who should and who shouldn’t be offended by the comments made. What if certain individuals were offended and it made them think twice about wanting to be mates with someone who makes comments such as that?
I don’t know, I do think that The Club lads need to stop poking little sly jibes here and there on their streams, a couple at first were relatively funny but after that it’s gotten a bit daft. Just pack it in. And I do think they should have had it out with TG, got round a table and aired it to each other, then go separate ways. But at the same time…. They do have their own careers, own lives, own families to think about and Brian had put his foot in it a few times, so can also see their reasoning for doing their own thing.
Just trying to see both sides, I think a lot of videos weigh heavily one way or the other. And if you don’t like Buvey or Rory etc then it’s natural to want to label them as snakes etc.
But good video. Subbed. some interesting stuff 👍🏼
The people who switched up in loz and Brian were never true fans, the real ones understood.
Goldbridge was ridiculous when he began and you can see other creators trying to copy him. Now they do this while Goldbridge is becoming far more moderate and level headed but still gives a taster to the fans from the early days to keep them happy.
Would love to see your own podcast in the styles of your videos
I think a podcast of me talking for hours people may hate
Separating Goldbridge from the rage/click-baiters is extremely charitable.
Thoughts on HITC Sevens channel? Their content is super informative and well spoken.
being well spoken doesn't mean being truthful
The reaction to TG joke was way OTT. The way the lads he'd brought through-whilst allowing them to push their fledgling YT channels-was ridiculous.
What a sorry mob they are. Buvey, Mckenna and especially McKola have proved theyre not very good on their own. Mckenna especially is so vanilla its ridiculous.
I've never watched the Club even though to be honest I probably enjoyed McKola and Rory's craic more than True Geordie's, but I just couldn't stand the appalling disloyalty where they threw the guy who made their careers under the bus. I lost all personal respect for them so I couldn't care less whether they are good craic or not. Still watch the kick off even though I don't enjoy it quite as much anymore
what are you on about "made their career" do you really believe people were watching TKO for geordie ? come on man you cant be this dense ...
I only like you more with every upload mate, really enjoy hearing your insight and getting a genuine perspective on things happening inside the football creator space, from someone inside the space. Keep it going brother 💪
Great video Viz! Was hoping you’d make a video about the interview and you jumped right on it, keep up the good work mate!
Cheers man, means a lot
Nothing wrong with them leaving but to leave the way they did was terrible. Not even a thank you to the guy who gave them a career.
the guy who gave them a career ? they GAVE HIM a show. There would be no kick off to talk about if it werent for them ... think maybe ?
Rory has shown himself to be pretty toxic … even about my beloved Chelsea .. he just spews so much click bait trash … and he is always attacking people (chill out Rory FFS ) … I’d much rather listen to Laurence any day. He just comes across as much nicer in general.
I agree with everything you’ve said about the YT football scene … shout out for Football Therapy .. Yan is such a lovely fella… always analyses with a cool head and never is toxic … it’s the best place for a Chelsea fan. You ain’t bad yourself either Vizeh 😂 ..
Its the guys that treat football like it only started in the 90s. They have no understanding of football pre the PL. Imagine Maradona at the height of his powers playing today where no-one can really tackle him anymore, its frightening. Football tiday is a tame version of the game i grew up with its sanitised to within an inch of its life abd alk anyone cares about is money money money. Fans don't care if its a despotic dictatorship with an awful human rights record as long as it makes their club a challenger Fans are different from 30 years ago now its me me me.
Unfortunately, and I say this as an '87 guy. I am borderline the age demograph who would have got into football youtube. Anyone older will have already established themselves in other avenues. Tbh I 'd love to do some football podcast myself but I am a full time teacher. So it's just not feasible from my end only just starting.
Guys like Goldbridge and Robbie are more the exception to the rule. Albeit in the latter's case, age, doesn't mean you know much given his awful takes. Especially over the last 2 years, but I would argue for several years lol.
Humbly disagree. Mark Goldbridge has the worst takes and blatantly lies about various things which I wonder if he just says to get clicks.
Last month I left a mildly questioning critical comment on a Laurence video, and he absolutely exploded on me. Wrote an entire condescending, backhanded screed. I was astounded, I've never been written such a rude, baiting, passive-aggressive message in my life, and I've been online a long time. It's not like I usually comment, or was harassing him--rarely do I even bother writing anything. So to me it felt unwarranted to berate me that way. Who knows, perhaps I caught him on a bad day/at a bad time, or accidentally used a word or phrase that sets him off, but even still he went too far. Lost all respect for him, and I didn't have more than a basic level to begin with. By contrast, Rory's only ever been genuine and polite in replying to me, likewise JLA & Flav and that lot, so perhaps it isn't all or most footballtubers like this, just Laurence.
Watch videos of people you enjoy then, why are you even bothered what Laurence has to say if you don't like him?
@@connorfrost195 until he went off on me unprovoked, I did like and enjoy him to a mild curious degree. Was never a fan per se, but I didn't dislike him either. After the one exchange though, it's hard to see him in a good light.
@@pendafen7405 what did you say and what did he reply?
@@connorfrost195 well it was about 5 weeks ago as I say, but iirc the gist was that I just said that there is disproportional outrage and upset about certain things in the mens' game, and then he decided to lecture me about respecting everyone's feelings (except mine that in his view don't count, apparently).
@@pendafen7405 hard for me or anyone to judge without knowing exactly what was said
Bunch of Amateurs is a great channel. Dorking has taken the headlines in the National League and is a huge part of the channel. But they now follow Raynes Park Vale (another non league club) and they do a great job getting the fan perspective while taking you behind the scenes at a pro/semi-pro football club.
The Club really just strikes me as a bunch of guys who know absolutely nothing about football talking about football. It really is terrible, the balding guy and the brummie sound utterly clueless at all times.
It's quite telling that The Kick Off has deleted all of the videos containing the guys from The Club from its channel...
ngl they getting that money and views but people like buvey honestly are the worst thing to happen in football youtube even back in his 90min days there is a difference between trolling and downright arrogance and bias
Laurence used to be hilarious in True News.
Rage bait as u put it is nothing knew. It was one of the key asspects to sports radio shows. Adrian Durham was the master of saying things he might not agree with but knew would get people to phone in yet being able to loosely back up his opinion. After all there a reason he held radio show for over 20 years.
Goldfish and the United Stand are the worse he supports Forrest to start off with, he's so far up he's own arse it's unreal and he makes loads of stuff up too
Man stay away from youtube football drama for the love of god. It's a never ending toxic fest
Don’t worry, normal video out on Friday
This channel used to be about football 😔
Your platform is full of negativity you are the same thing you’re preaching against.