@@kennethzheng3735 Pretty sure Axe will be seeded higher than him after this. It's weird because they both seem like they're on the come up, but Axe is really just a late bloomer. XD
I like both of them, they usually have pretty good input when it comes to commentary and recap which is a major reason I like both of them. Leffen has a bad history of being a sore loser and HBox is just straight up boring to watch (while simultaneously also winning enough big matches and tournaments for it to be kind of meaningless in the grand scheme). I'd rather watch either of them win any day over Mang0 because he's got enough ego to make up for the rest of the top 10 melee players while also being kinda boring to watch.
I feel like this comment was a joke but everyone's response was legit salty kids looking for an excuse. Hbox is amazing no doubt but this tournament has been more stacked in quite sometime. He cant win em all.
Reminds me of an old PPMD quote (when he was playing mang0: "Did you ever think I'm MAKING you play bad". Leffen played this MU pretty out of his mind, and his recovery was incredible the entire set. Seriously, watch the set and try and guess his recovery option. Hbox relies on a lot of recovery reads bc Puff is slow, and he had a rough time edgeguarding leffen.
Ngl hbox doesn't look like he's even playing close to how he usually does, just looks like he's missing a lot of things that have become common ground for him
I can work out whose gonna win just by the lengh of video and who wuns first game some times. Maybe all videos shod be standard 5 set match time to keep us guessing.
Hbox was def playing off. Almost any other player would've let him get away with it, but Leffen was taking full advantage of every flub Hbox did. There was no way Hbox was beating Leffen that day without playing his best. Huge respect for Leff.
Since no one has said it I will say it. This shows how accurate and precise HBOX is most of the time. You can see when he is off his game (most players are from time to time) he gets dominated, but normally HBOX wins and that’s is because he is so damn good. Hats off to Leffen though, he deserved this one. Also, does anyone really think puff is more boring than Peach? Peach is like watching grass grow to me. Anyways cheers y’all.
The balloon got robbed. Not talking about puff. The entire audience was playing don't let the balloon hit the floor and we delayed the match. A TO had to grab the balloon in order to keep things on schedule, and the crowd called it a DQ. Referenced at 2:52
Leffen saved melee but he could not save himself. His preparation for his fated duel with !Pink Emperor! Hungrybox left him unable to battle Sober!Mang0 and the main characters of Detective Pikachu. All was not lost, however, as the melee community had won a greater prize by his sacrifice, Mang0's redemption.
No Name If you think that Mango didn’t get a lot of shit for playing puff as well then idk what to tell you. People have hated puff since this game came out lol.
No Name And why can’t it be a little more nuanced than that. I don’t think Puff is OP, but his claim that the character is really easy to use, which makes the character more consistent in a tournament setting is nothing but true. Is he exaggerating? Yeah a bit, being that he demolished HBox at GOML, but his points aren’t exactly wrong. And yes HBox is also a very good player, he is part of the 5 gods for a reason, but it is very disingenuous to say that he isn’t helped by his character in terms of consistency.
@No Name Leffen has never explicitly said that HBox gets carried by the character, just that he is helped a lot by the character, which is true. Puff, being very easy to use requires a lot less effort from the player than any other character, the amount of concentration that is needed is less, the amount of practice that is needed is less etc. Also, dont compare peach to puff, peach is so much harder and a worse character in general, that's why no one complains.
From the first minute, i really liked how leffen single short hop lasered a bunch and then also tried to get under hbox by threatening the space with up tilts and back airs
theyre using a thing called slippi it mirrors the gameplay from a wii onto dolphin gamecube emulator so the resolution and other minor details can be enhanced for streaming and recording, it also saves data like average kill percent from each player, inputs per minute, amount of wavedashes done, etc theyre still playing regular melee
Bruh. I'm not trying to sound mean, but is H.Box depressed? I'm looking at him closely and man, he looks tired, he has bags under his eyes, he's slightly pale, and he's not playing like he usually does, is he? I mean, he's not edge guarding as much, he's not as aggressive, and lost 3-0. All and all, I'm legit worried for this man.
He got owned by Mango afterwards. And HBox usually owns Mango. So instead of thinking that Leffen played amazing, they focus on HBox playing bad. That said though, Leffen has said that he had trouble with fast matchups. This matchup was with Jiggs who is a slow character, hence he shined (pun may be intended). He played amazingly.
Ev'ixyn It really didn’t look like he was playing at his best. A lot of edgeguards he should’ve been able to intercept and he missed a lot of follow ups and combos he usually never misses except like once or twice in a set. He should’ve at least taken a game or two.
This is the Melee equivalent of Vegeta ripping off android 19's arms.
This is the equivalent of Perfect Cell breaking half of Vegeta’s body after murdering his son.
Im gonna comment on this year old comment calling you a weeb because the internet
@@defence-yt7jg ur cringe
EVO Leff is here today. A quick 3-0.
4-stocked by Mang0 into a 0-3.
That comment did not age well did it lmao
F
@@Zweiken Puff is way up there with Fox,Falco and Marth.
@@Zweiken Omg ive never heard a worse take in my life holy shit lmao.
3:50 Coolest rest I've seen
That's a clip
That was sick
Hbox has been playing too much Ultimate
That whole exchange was amazing
Who is this Z Fighter player 3 ohing Box?
For future reference, 3-0ing :)
@@Rez_97 NO. It's 3 OOOOOOHHHHHing
um excuse you my boy leff is a mvc3 player
@@veravera6571 this guy knows his stuff!!
@@veravera6571 nah my dude. He's super competitive with Brawl minus.
Hbox dropped a lot of shit this set, but Leffen rocked it out. Wasn't willing to let any of it by.
says the man who uploaded “100% PROOF 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!”
@@pubby4155 could you have responded with any more of a non sequitur? Why do dipshits like you always think this is some sort of gotcha?
@@pubby4155 that video is a classic
Dude what is GOML this year. Leffen coming back from Ultimate and 3-0ing hbox. Mango 3-0ing Leffen. Then a game 5 Mango Vs Axe. Melee is alive baby.
When zain takes more games than hbox
that just shows you that Zain is catching up. Easily top 5, if not top 3.
@@kennethzheng3735 Pretty sure Axe will be seeded higher than him after this. It's weird because they both seem like they're on the come up, but Axe is really just a late bloomer. XD
@@Dlord1PlayStation yeah that's true. Axe has always been solid, but remember, Zain's only been playing for ~4 years. He's a beast.
Kenneth Zheng Let’s also remember character choice. Pikachu is much harder to succeed with than Marth (as it should be).
Kenneth Zheng nah it goes
Hbox
Mango
Leffen
Axe
Zain/Plup
I'm so proud of Leffen. He has shown again and again that breaks from Melee do not hurt his game, but rather improve it. Never sleep on my man.
A head to head between two of the most talented and simultaneously unlikable Smash players.
I like them :(
@@dinospumoni5611
So do I.
Both of them.
I like both of them, they usually have pretty good input when it comes to commentary and recap which is a major reason I like both of them. Leffen has a bad history of being a sore loser and HBox is just straight up boring to watch (while simultaneously also winning enough big matches and tournaments for it to be kind of meaningless in the grand scheme). I'd rather watch either of them win any day over Mang0 because he's got enough ego to make up for the rest of the top 10 melee players while also being kinda boring to watch.
Once you get a crab thrown at you it kind of throws off your game
Legit seemed like Hbox was throwing the game, cause he'd randomly pop off with those rests at 25%
@@cokewtf he seemed upset
@@cokewtf He looked super tired. His eyes weren't even all the way open. He was missing a ton of reactions. He was completely out of it.
@billable Your pfp fire. Love that game
I feel like this comment was a joke but everyone's response was legit salty kids looking for an excuse. Hbox is amazing no doubt but this tournament has been more stacked in quite sometime. He cant win em all.
Felt like hungrybox could’ve played better
Ok Susceptible yea he was flubbin a lot here
@@billyhorchel5429 leffen gets wiped off the planet by mang0 afterwards
Technoflops not sure why you brought that up but yeah leffen was pretty rusty meanwhile mang0’s been training like hell and damn it showed
Reminds me of an old PPMD quote (when he was playing mang0: "Did you ever think I'm MAKING you play bad". Leffen played this MU pretty out of his mind, and his recovery was incredible the entire set. Seriously, watch the set and try and guess his recovery option. Hbox relies on a lot of recovery reads bc Puff is slow, and he had a rough time edgeguarding leffen.
That's what happens when you dedicate time to ultimate
Ngl hbox doesn't look like he's even playing close to how he usually does, just looks like he's missing a lot of things that have become common ground for him
Look at his eyes. He looks super tired and out of it.
Ruthieal that’s a little fishy, that seems like too much of a John since he decided to post on twitter to say “why he lost” lol
@@PakistanDefenseForum lmao more making excuses
HUGE LEEFFF
Leff of respectable size
I can work out whose gonna win just by the lengh of video and who wuns first game some times. Maybe all videos shod be standard 5 set match time to keep us guessing.
@CCRS Yeah I can't I'm in a different time zone.
@@curtismaize Yes you can by watching the VOD...
Or just watch it fullscreen so you cant see the timer...
Why is leffen using his shine Jigglypuff doesn't have any projectiles Kappa
spooK_xd right
Back air is pretty much a projectile
I know and he keeps jumping while shooting, making it harder to aim those lasers man. What a scrub
Just fucking aim at her bro!
12:05 what did leffen did there? jab run jump cancel up smash? I didnt understood what happened after jab.
Lazule Wavedash forward -> jab -> dash forward -> JC upsmash
Hbox was def playing off. Almost any other player would've let him get away with it, but Leffen was taking full advantage of every flub Hbox did.
There was no way Hbox was beating Leffen that day without playing his best.
Huge respect for Leff.
Leffen saving melee one match at a time
Since no one has said it I will say it. This shows how accurate and precise HBOX is most of the time. You can see when he is off his game (most players are from time to time) he gets dominated, but normally HBOX wins and that’s is because he is so damn good. Hats off to Leffen though, he deserved this one.
Also, does anyone really think puff is more boring than Peach? Peach is like watching grass grow to me. Anyways cheers y’all.
gigantic leff
B I G L E F F
I love this game and these sets, hope melee never dies.
Glad hes back in the melee scene!!! I need this kind of entertainment
The balloon got robbed.
Not talking about puff. The entire audience was playing don't let the balloon hit the floor and we delayed the match. A TO had to grab the balloon in order to keep things on schedule, and the crowd called it a DQ.
Referenced at 2:52
What if Leffen got better at the Hbox matchup because of Ultimate's slower gameplay?
What if hbox got worse at the fox matchup because of ultimate's slower gameplay?
what if it’s both
im really not a fan of leffen.. but he played absolutly amazing this tourney! :O
Good to see Leffen going back to a game he can shine in, no pun intended.
That was some disappointing play from Hbox :/
He was worrying about the 🦀
he certainly didn't disappoint leffen fans
this can be a commentary in every hbox set
Good
Leffen saved melee but he could not save himself. His preparation for his fated duel with !Pink Emperor! Hungrybox left him unable to battle Sober!Mang0 and the main characters of Detective Pikachu.
All was not lost, however, as the melee community had won a greater prize by his sacrifice, Mang0's redemption.
dog jiggly looked like a joke when h box plays bad maybe it isn't the character after all
Every character looks like a joke when played bad, especially the easier ones, it doesnt mean anything.
No Name If you think that Mango didn’t get a lot of shit for playing puff as well then idk what to tell you. People have hated puff since this game came out lol.
No Name And why can’t it be a little more nuanced than that. I don’t think Puff is OP, but his claim that the character is really easy to use, which makes the character more consistent in a tournament setting is nothing but true. Is he exaggerating? Yeah a bit, being that he demolished HBox at GOML, but his points aren’t exactly wrong. And yes HBox is also a very good player, he is part of the 5 gods for a reason, but it is very disingenuous to say that he isn’t helped by his character in terms of consistency.
@No Name Leffen has never explicitly said that HBox gets carried by the character, just that he is helped a lot by the character, which is true. Puff, being very easy to use requires a lot less effort from the player than any other character, the amount of concentration that is needed is less, the amount of practice that is needed is less etc.
Also, dont compare peach to puff, peach is so much harder and a worse character in general, that's why no one complains.
From the first minute, i really liked how leffen single short hop lasered a bunch and then also tried to get under hbox by threatening the space with up tilts and back airs
Leffen neutral game looks like Armada.
Was this really played on a Gamecube/Wii? graphics look sharp af
That's the Melee
8:45 pretty sure that was just a phantom, wasn’t it?
10:02 did they really forget about the offstage rest that quickly?
Not an hbox fan but man he didn't look great at all. Good shit to big leff tho
Once you get a crab thrown at you it kind of throws off your game
@@billable1861
yea last time i had a crab thrown at me i just wasnt myself anymore :/
@@billable1861 Had a crab thrown at me in 86 and I have not felt an inkling of joy in my life ever since
K.Louis lmao
7:58 honestly what was hbox doing with those bairs
Fox’s everywhere
Marths have to step it up.
I hate bias crowds dude. They really don’t care about HBox. What a shame.
What's the music that starts playing at the very end?
What version of Melee is it? The graphics seem to be much better than gamecube can possibly handle.
theyre using a thing called slippi it mirrors the gameplay from a wii onto dolphin gamecube emulator so the resolution and other minor details can be enhanced for streaming and recording, it also saves data like average kill percent from each player, inputs per minute, amount of wavedashes done, etc
theyre still playing regular melee
Oh no is this going to be Leffen’s 3rd GOML win?
Not if Mang0 has anything to say about it
Spoke too soon
I love that pic lol
Wife beater won
maru 24476 Hol up
Btw, why aren't there anymore interviews?
Man I love melee
Is it 2015 again
What did KJH said to leffen about Puff?
It felt like Hbox was playing like you play ultimate, like buffering a dash (which results into walking ). Hope he will play at his best next time
That set had so many Hbox flubs
3:52 did leffen chuckle? Lol that play was pretty hype tho
Kalindi has made leffen even larger.. now he's laser landing oh gawd
leffens movement is fucking nuts. those moonwalk wavedashes are insane
And so, Leffen is the Savior of Melee.
No lobster?
Good stuff to leffen!
Hbox step up your game you’re breaking my heart.
Classic lesser of two evils situation. Beating Hxbox twice on Dreamland? What a BEAST!
KAIJU LEFF
Leffen is the only fox on this caliber. It's not surprising Hbox struggled after not playing any fox as good for so long
Here waiting for the “Melee is alive!” Or “Melee is back!” Comments.
Hungrybox throwing games 😂
GOML 2014 CHAMP
- mang0
GOML 2015 CHAMP
- Hbox
GOML 2016 CHAMP
- Leffen
GOML 2017 CHAMP
- Leffen
GOML 2018 CHAMP
- Hbox
GOML 2019 CHAMP
- mang0
Shit is like a narrative sandwich.
So....has Leffen officaly quit Ultimate?
Bruh. I'm not trying to sound mean, but is H.Box depressed? I'm looking at him closely and man, he looks tired, he has bags under his eyes, he's slightly pale, and he's not playing like he usually does, is he? I mean, he's not edge guarding as much, he's not as aggressive, and lost 3-0. All and all, I'm legit worried for this man.
The founder of groove rings is HBox's dad maybe
I thought leffen was using young link to beat hungrybox’s puff? Was practice these few weeks and just goes back to fox lol
Wtf, he was playing a mod that buffed every character and YL was the funniest char
That run by shine is crazy
leffen選手必死になってプレイしてる姿がとても子供みたいで本当にこのゲームが好きなんだなと思った。ていうか可愛い。
feels good
That 0 to death was wild
I expected a wash in this set especially knowing moki took hbox to gm 5 while playing super good.
That's what years of research looks like, people
"HBox vs a Fox"
:\
Video is 12 minutes
:O
10:18 SO SICK
BIG LEFF
Hbox looked super tired. Like he was going to pass out right there on stage. Jeez.
I know!
Why is everyone down playing Leffen?
He got owned by Mango afterwards. And HBox usually owns Mango. So instead of thinking that Leffen played amazing, they focus on HBox playing bad.
That said though, Leffen has said that he had trouble with fast matchups. This matchup was with Jiggs who is a slow character, hence he shined (pun may be intended). He played amazingly.
Hbox is doing big things in life right now cut him so slack he doesn't have hours upon hours to dedicate to this game as he once used to.
New Melee drinking game: take a swig every time you see an Hbox apologist making excuses for him in the comments section
He's looking so solid
Rip hbox win streaks
Hbox was completely off. What am I reading about crabs?
Damn I was hoping Hbox would win, oh well
Leffen deserved it tho.
Big Leff is back!!
did no one else see that hit at 7:00
GALACTIC LEFF
If only leffen knew what would happen to him soon after this match
I'm a big hbox fan need to see moar rest
Too bad hbox got clutched on
LET'S GO LEFF
BRUTAL Big Leff
Is Hungrybox okay?
I sure hope so, Honestly it didnt look like he gave it his all, and I mean I doubt he wants another crab thrown at him for winning.
Is this UCF?
Don't think so, could be wrong
3:43
FUCK YEAH, LEFF
30 THAT MAN
Somebody pls tell hbox that this is not ultimate
Hbox didn't play as clean as usual and it seems like he wants to make his gameplay more creative.
Despite how leffen was playing i feel like hbox threw.
He wasn’t feeling good man. He probably got nervouse
@@miniwoona402 lol yea maybe he saw someone in the crowd with a seafood platter
Jaej he probably got blackmailed so they don’t throw a lobster
Hbox did alright considering he only hit 3 rests, and 2 of them were stock trades.
yo this video quality is cleaaaaan
Hungry box had missed a lot of edge guards and was playing at his best.
Ev'ixyn It really didn’t look like he was playing at his best. A lot of edgeguards he should’ve been able to intercept and he missed a lot of follow ups and combos he usually never misses except like once or twice in a set. He should’ve at least taken a game or two.
Nice Leffen picked up Sheik. Fox this time.
As a true leffen fan and true respect for both hbox as well... hbox gave this to leffen, not you hbox.. not you
Gave it to him?
So a free win is what you are saying
@@Kishotto that is what hes saying yes
@@Kishotto Leffen played it well, but Hbox def didn't play even close to as well as he usually does. It was sad to watch honestly.