set of the year so far, probably will be when the year's over. the back and forth exchanges & zero-to-deaths, the edgeguards from both of them, and game 5 coming down to last stock last hit? melee is beautiful.
Matthew - mang0 Swedish was only hype Bc of mang0 come back, it was kinda sloppy melee for a while. It was clear that when mang0 started to put in effort, Swedish had no chance
for fox to escape every single possible edgeguard is just a display of incredible defense play from leffen also he didn't get tilted at ALL and literally held his own til the end Ive never seen someone play the fox matchup that perfectly against zain
also the same reason that zain was able to escape the waveshine upsmash at 0:31, the slant causes marth to touch the ground and be actionable on FoD and YS
@Roberto Centeno It’s not a melee specific thing. Honestly sm4sh had a set just as hype if not hyper than this. Not disrespecting this set cuz it was pretty hype but Elegant be Mkleo was tbh a little hyper than this (it was actually 2 sets that went to game five and each game was last his last stock)
been watchin alot of ultimate. thinking to myself "yeah some characters move pretty fast in this game. so fun to watch" then get this video recommended "oh yeah, i forgot" lmao. embodiment of hype and dedication this game. nice to see leffen's ultimate detour didn't make him lose too much of his edge.
bonzwah1 it’s too bad, ultimate could’ve been so good while also being a different game from melee. Still good, just doesn’t have that timeless feel that melee has
@@TeeKayDee i think in this case they actually can. a huge amount of what feels like input lag in ultimate is just the game buffering inputs for too long, combined with slow animations. by removing the buffer and speeding up certain animations the perceived lag should drop considerably, and be reduced to just the traditional controller + rendering lag that you get on Wii mods like project m
@@WookieChoi works because zain didn't horizontally sweetspot the ledge properly in this instance. I think Leffen has gone for this setup in past sets as well.
@@appleormac slippi is sort of a mod, it doesn't modify the game at all but it does parse the code from it and send it over to dolphin. think of it as more of an add-on than a mod. still not really that convinced that nintendo cares though.
Nah, anyone that still holds onto the ideology that Leffen is a bad person from years ago just don't know how to let shit go. Not sure what year you think it is, but Leffen is very well liked these days and is just straight up one of the greatest to ever touch the controller and the best fox of all time, and it's not even debatable.
I've only started watching Melee very recently. Can someone explain to me why Leffen rolls up from the ledge at 14:49? Wouldn't he have taken a stock if he remained on the ledge?
Not sure but it seems like he thought Zain wasn't gonna go for the ledge immediately like he did. Zain still had the option to side b stall, and Leffen could have punished the up-b following that side-b with either a quick ledge hog or downsmash I think. It was kind of a 50-50 situation and Zain guessed right on what Leffen wanted to do. At least, that's what it looks like haha
Leffen not playing at his best, but he really took advantage of Zain by game 4. You could really feel how much he wanted to win, and he put his heart into staying alive.
This Melee, this gameplay is delicious! The back and forth, the high level plays, the combos! Everytime Zain got a grab my heart stopped! Game 4 & 5 Leffen is my favorite Leffen. The movement was crisp and precise. I fucking popped off and I'm still at work!
To me it seemed like Lef wanted it more. Zain is arguably more talented, but with Lef you know that he always brings that full dedication for the win effort. Which also makes him look like a jerk, but whatever. And its not like he sux, because skill-wise Lef is actually a genuine elite player too (obviously).
The fact that this isn’t even Leffen at his best is somewhat terrifying. Dude just came back from Ultimate and was about to take a game off Zain on fd.
Leffen Winning on FD: "oh man, look how good leffen is playing, oh man man" Leffen Losing on FD: "Matchup is broken, there is nothing he can do dude, Marth just instantly wins lol"
its almost impossible to commentate melee, this shit is way tooooo fast. As soon as you want to say something literally something more important is happening haha. After watching a lot of ultimate lately I completely forgot what real speed looks like.
Absolutely crazy to me that people still say things like "fox privilege" even this set perfectly exemplifies so many of Marth's broken qualities. I think he's easily the best character in the game.
60-40 Marth is Leffen's opinion on the match up. But from sets that Leffen plays against Marth, M2K is usually the player that makes him think that way the most and is the only Marth he consistently loses to. I'm simply questioning Leffen's perspective on the match up.
He just blames the mu instead of his or his opponent's play. In reality he is great at the mu and destroys the next best main of that character (e.g. the other marths, the other puffs, the other falcos). I do like that even though he has a bad mentality when it comes to losing, he does continue to improve even though he says mu like marth and puff are 60-40 (he even said it's closer to 65-35 for marth lmaoo).
@@Dlord1PlayStation Wait, Leffen thinks that puff fox is 60-40 now? Roflmao. But yeah, it does seem like he doesn't really take into account play styles. M2K seems to be a style counter for Leffen whereas against Zain Leffen is more comfortable with which at this point Zain may as well be god tier status like M2K.
M2K is straight up better at punishing on FD. You'll notice zain going for regrabs at low percents where M2K knows to uptilt before the regrab. on FD marth has a clear advantage when taking human reaction times into account. its not just Leffen complaining, it's also a lot of scrubs assuming fox wins everything after watching a TAS combo video, and leffen trying to counteract that mindset so that the tier discussion can progress honestly.
last hit to win the set was total mind games because Leff knew Zain would think that Leff was going for another up-air so he totally messed up the DI gg
*Zain wins neutral several times against one of if not the best fox player in the world and fails to read one of his multitude of recovery options* Commentators: Wow big leff is really out here surviving a matchup that is so easy for marth lets go big leff
The match up is even imo and Armada still thinks fox wins. Fox Marth 60-40 is just a meme that people believed because Sfat kept on losing to Zain and Leffen kept on losing to M2K. Zain had to work for all of his kills. To me, it shows that M2K should get more respect for how consistent he is at edge guarding and beating leffen in neutral, instead of people saying he only wins because of the mu.
set of the year so far, probably will be when the year's over.
the back and forth exchanges & zero-to-deaths, the edgeguards from both of them, and game 5 coming down to last stock last hit?
melee is beautiful.
Yo nice profile picture
@@raidsrc ty!
Have to agree. Was actually a beautiful set
Already still isn't Mang0 Swedish already better
Matthew - mang0 Swedish was only hype Bc of mang0 come back, it was kinda sloppy melee for a while. It was clear that when mang0 started to put in effort, Swedish had no chance
Chillin casting leff is the best thing ever
Chillin is a brilliant caster.
@Headspin3d Agreed. Great ambassador for the community
@Headspin3d chillin and Birdman, alike
In hind sight, he should have bet that he never cast a Leffen game
Instant classic. One of the best sets of Melee of all time.
True. Probably top 10 or close
hbox armada 2016 still best imo
Mango leffen G4 best set ever hands down everybody knows that
for fox to escape every single possible edgeguard is just a display of incredible defense play from leffen
also he didn't get tilted at ALL and literally held his own til the end
Ive never seen someone play the fox matchup that perfectly against zain
Rusty leffen almost beat zain on fd
'rusty leff'
Leffen vs Zain at Full Bloom is also a great example of Leff holding his composure
sage798
As far as melee goes, yeah. Was mainly streaming Ultimate and Persona for quite some time.
fox dtilt at 0:35 misses because of the slight FOD slant changing the angle of the hitbox
Wtf i didn't know that ?!
Sick
also the same reason that zain was able to escape the waveshine upsmash at 0:31, the slant causes marth to touch the ground and be actionable on FoD and YS
@@darkatma_ Thank you! i was so confused trying to figure out how he got that
left the headset on the floor bm lol
Rod A Leffen the type of dude to not give his seat to the elderly ladies
And his redbull
lmfao he dropped it after the leffen vs ginger set before this one as well ahaha
@@robbyz512 even though there I have no reason to believe this I can see this happening
Let’s gooo. This is why we love melee.
I agree, the hype of melee sets it´s something that you don´t see in any other super smash brothers games, melee is just special.
Melee is my fucking gameeeee
Hell yea
Same
@Roberto Centeno
It’s not a melee specific thing. Honestly sm4sh had a set just as hype if not hyper than this. Not disrespecting this set cuz it was pretty hype but Elegant be Mkleo was tbh a little hyper than this (it was actually 2 sets that went to game five and each game was last his last stock)
Leffen got very lucky at 17:04. The can almost spilled
Haha nice catch
been watchin alot of ultimate. thinking to myself "yeah some characters move pretty fast in this game. so fun to watch" then get this video recommended "oh yeah, i forgot" lmao. embodiment of hype and dedication this game. nice to see leffen's ultimate detour didn't make him lose too much of his edge.
bonzwah1 it’s too bad, ultimate could’ve been so good while also being a different game from melee. Still good, just doesn’t have that timeless feel that melee has
@@BaconMix42 meh only real prob imo is the online
@@BaconMix42 once we get some good mods for ultimate it's going to be insane. it is only a few slight mechanical tweaks away from being really good
@@rumfordc Mods can't fix input lag. Just mod Melee instead tbh
@@TeeKayDee i think in this case they actually can. a huge amount of what feels like input lag in ultimate is just the game buffering inputs for too long, combined with slow animations. by removing the buffer and speeding up certain animations the perceived lag should drop considerably, and be reduced to just the traditional controller + rendering lag that you get on Wii mods like project m
Such a high octane set. The most exhilarating set of GOML thus far.
what the fuck does octane even mean. it has 8 fucking sides or what?
@@ElDrHouse2010 that's an octagon. High octane is something people say to mean that it is really intense.
You can hear Rishi at 15:25 quietly to himself say "I combo like that"
cannot BELIEVE he did not spill that drink at 17:06
homygodwtf goodNESS you guys are observant and i love it lol
It's because the ends weren't tied or anything. It was able to just come apart.
5:41 was that crouch cancel > SDI in > shine spike? I've never seen that before.
It was normal cc shine, marth up b hit with the back hitbox so it pushed leffen off stage
@@billybopeep That's a whack interaction with dolphin slash lol
I don't know how leffen turned around after the cc'd hitstun of dolphin slash. CC > PC Drop > shine?
@@StaggaLags you turn to where you got hit. He got hit behind him, so he was turned around
@@WookieChoi works because zain didn't horizontally sweetspot the ledge properly in this instance. I think Leffen has gone for this setup in past sets as well.
9:22 - 9:45 That whole sequence was gold
It's always great to see a major in Canada :)
The FPS is really bad, please fix FPS for tomorrow on top 8
They're not using slippi because nintendo doesn't allow mods. That's why graphics suck
@@Brando550 | I don't know, I feel like the FPS in Shiz vs M2K might be better. I think it was the stream.
If you want frame data it'll all be exported and saved by Slippi anyway; just enjoy the set - I didn't even notice the frame drops until I read this
@@y.f8139 slippi isn't a mod
@@appleormac slippi is sort of a mod, it doesn't modify the game at all but it does parse the code from it and send it over to dolphin. think of it as more of an add-on than a mod. still not really that convinced that nintendo cares though.
Love chillin's commentary lately!
This Set was mind-blowing.
Don't think I've ever seen a Marth player respond with such a powerful punish game as strong as Zain's this game.
this was beautiful, what a game, leffens fox movements were awesome to watch.
watching this battle between these legends was truly satisfiying.
This tourney has been so hype. Can't wait for tomorrow.
I love how things I have never seen keep happening. WHEN WILL THIS GAME GET OLD? NEVER??
THE set of GOML thus far!!
Mang0 vs Swedish Delight was pretty sick too.
Hello to everyone watching in 2021
Yo that's me
Yo that's almost me
The hell, was this comment almost 2 years ago or what XD
Holy moly this set was insane
Did y’all see the gc cord that wrapped around the can at the end? When big Leff pulled up the cord it just grazed the can without knocking it over!
Big leff? The dudes a twig
Feels so good to be a leff fan rn.
This aged poorly
Leffen is a lil bitch
He's an annoying and bratty weeb. He's also historically one of the worst with sportsmanship.
@@281cu6 exactly, the dude is a 16 year old boy at heart.
Nah, anyone that still holds onto the ideology that Leffen is a bad person from years ago just don't know how to let shit go. Not sure what year you think it is, but Leffen is very well liked these days and is just straight up one of the greatest to ever touch the controller and the best fox of all time, and it's not even debatable.
That set was absolutely sick
Angry Westballz to M2K: "I can't challenge ledge, invincibility will win every time!"
Leffen: 6:44
We’ll probably never see the peak of Melee but this set was definitely a glimpse. Both pushing there characters to the limit
13:38 Spongebob needs water
3:57 insane
One of the best sets I've ever seen
Dang this is Leffen at his prime. No one else to go but down. This man played and moved insanely this set. Big ups.
Horrendous A/V desync throughout the clip. Any links to a better version?
one of the best sets i've seen in a hot minute
this set was OD, LETS GO BIG LEFF!!!
That's not Avelino Caceres you idiot, that's BOLOGNESI
This was the best melee set all year so far! Great melee
the most back and forth game 5 ive ever seen. besides Mango vs Armada WSF at tbh6
Vish and Chillin were a great commentary combo. I was hyped the whole set!
I know we're all gonna be excited because of the outstanding melee that just occurred but 17:40 needs to be discussed
I was thinking the same thing... “my b”
what happened
1:12 are you kidding thats a patented M2K ™️ advancement
I've only started watching Melee very recently. Can someone explain to me why Leffen rolls up from the ledge at 14:49? Wouldn't he have taken a stock if he remained on the ledge?
Not sure but it seems like he thought Zain wasn't gonna go for the ledge immediately like he did. Zain still had the option to side b stall, and Leffen could have punished the up-b following that side-b with either a quick ledge hog or downsmash I think. It was kind of a 50-50 situation and Zain guessed right on what Leffen wanted to do. At least, that's what it looks like haha
This set and Mang0 vs. Swedish Delight both nail-biters. I love it.
The fact that there still tournaments of this game just blows my mind
This melee play has been GODLIKE the most of top 32.
Best set of the year.
Leffen not playing at his best, but he really took advantage of Zain by game 4. You could really feel how much he wanted to win, and he put his heart into staying alive.
Nobody gonna talk about how Zain peaced him out at 420 on the clock at 10:43?
This Melee, this gameplay is delicious! The back and forth, the high level plays, the combos! Everytime Zain got a grab my heart stopped! Game 4 & 5 Leffen is my favorite Leffen. The movement was crisp and precise. I fucking popped off and I'm still at work!
7:23 just showed game knowledge
Actually. One of the best sets I've ever seen
0:36 anyone else notice that upward angled down tilt? Never seen that before.
i think its because of that weird edge of the stage on FOD, the floor's uneven
This is my favourite set that I've seen in a long time.
What an entertaining set! Great play by both guys.
Greatest set of all time
Leffen always seems to put the best performances doesnt he? What an entertaining guy.
Can we finally accept that melee is fucking nasty??
this was just amazing! both are soo good !
Big Leff was fucking balling. Leff seemed like a underdog because he’s been off from melee so long, but he clutch out some OG SHIT on Zain.. crazy
Probably one of the best sets I’ve ever seen
Battle of the god-slayers doesn't disappoint :O
To me it seemed like Lef wanted it more. Zain is arguably more talented, but with Lef you know that he always brings that full dedication for the win effort. Which also makes him look like a jerk, but whatever. And its not like he sux, because skill-wise Lef is actually a genuine elite player too (obviously).
The two players I want to see in the Grand Final.
Zain lost his first stock in the first game in the same way he lost his last stock in the last game wtf!
no surprise, Marth's recovery is one of the few liabilities the character has
I've never shouted "YES" so many times during a round 5 ever
Thank you, Chillin, for actually calling it a KEN COMBO these days.
That's what it's called. Everyone calls it that.
what else would you call it?
The fact that this isn’t even Leffen at his best is somewhat terrifying. Dude just came back from Ultimate and was about to take a game off Zain on fd.
I was surprised at how much I enjoyed Chillin's commentary. Has he gotten better recently or is it just me?
My god these two, what a game!! O.O
You see this?! This is good melee!
I've never seen Leffen play so good and so fast, he was literally schmoving x) Wow
Almost forgot to watch this today
why is zain sponsored by panda i thougthb they were disbanded
dude this was like 4 YEARS ago
@@poleon2003 my bad
leffen need to pick up dat rockstar can bruh
Leffen Winning on FD: "oh man, look how good leffen is playing, oh man man"
Leffen Losing on FD: "Matchup is broken, there is nothing he can do dude, Marth just instantly wins lol"
Leffen vs PPMD apex 2015 on steroids
its almost impossible to commentate melee, this shit is way tooooo fast. As soon as you want to say something literally something more important is happening haha. After watching a lot of ultimate lately I completely forgot what real speed looks like.
That was a great set
If it weren't for the mango vs small leff set, this would be best of the tourney
Absolutely crazy to me that people still say things like "fox privilege" even this set perfectly exemplifies so many of Marth's broken qualities. I think he's easily the best character in the game.
gumbleinvegas I say top 5 characters in melee all are pretty close together
@@MarthMain For sure, but it seems pretty obvious to me that Marth outperforms everyone.
Both played amazing! Leffen looking clutch
Also, is it really that Marth Fox is 60-40 Marth? Or is it just that Leffen gets tilted by M2K? Leffen clearly is good at the match up.
Top players have different opinions on the matchup. I believe leffen thinks Marth wins, armada thinks fox wins, mango thinks it’s even.
60-40 Marth is Leffen's opinion on the match up. But from sets that Leffen plays against Marth, M2K is usually the player that makes him think that way the most and is the only Marth he consistently loses to. I'm simply questioning Leffen's perspective on the match up.
He just blames the mu instead of his or his opponent's play. In reality he is great at the mu and destroys the next best main of that character (e.g. the other marths, the other puffs, the other falcos). I do like that even though he has a bad mentality when it comes to losing, he does continue to improve even though he says mu like marth and puff are 60-40 (he even said it's closer to 65-35 for marth lmaoo).
@@Dlord1PlayStation Wait, Leffen thinks that puff fox is 60-40 now? Roflmao. But yeah, it does seem like he doesn't really take into account play styles. M2K seems to be a style counter for Leffen whereas against Zain Leffen is more comfortable with which at this point Zain may as well be god tier status like M2K.
M2K is straight up better at punishing on FD. You'll notice zain going for regrabs at low percents where M2K knows to uptilt before the regrab. on FD marth has a clear advantage when taking human reaction times into account. its not just Leffen complaining, it's also a lot of scrubs assuming fox wins everything after watching a TAS combo video, and leffen trying to counteract that mindset so that the tier discussion can progress honestly.
last hit to win the set was total mind games because Leff knew Zain would think that Leff was going for another up-air so he totally messed up the DI gg
Best smash set I've ever seen
Best set at GOML so far
Best set of all time.
That set was exceptional.
Leffen's recoveries were fuckin insane
*Zain wins neutral several times against one of if not the best fox player in the world and fails to read one of his multitude of recovery options*
Commentators: Wow big leff is really out here surviving a matchup that is so easy for marth lets go big leff
The match up is even imo and Armada still thinks fox wins. Fox Marth 60-40 is just a meme that people believed because Sfat kept on losing to Zain and Leffen kept on losing to M2K.
Zain had to work for all of his kills. To me, it shows that M2K should get more respect for how consistent he is at edge guarding and beating leffen in neutral, instead of people saying he only wins because of the mu.
Best melee i've ever seen!
Why couldn’t Zain counterpick to FD game 5?
Because he already won on his counter pick (game 3) on FD
Ok, thanks.
Such an amazing game both players so good
Wow this set is so fucking good, can't wait to see them go at it on LAN again
Insane set
13:38 eeooUUGHoooeh
Leffen playing at a 10 starting game 4 last stock, beautiful stuff
Vish sounded like Jerry the King Lawler on commentary
Yo! Let's go Big Leff.
13:29 that was insane
Zain Vs The Melee Evo Champ 2018