he's secretly a daedric lord from the shivering isles, aiding in the creation of the great sweet roll pyramids. why do you think he knows of our location and is there to personally deliver us a message? he has god tier teleportation and clairvoyance.
@@frozenlizard7738 You have no fucking right to say that. The Aylieds would cut open children and use their guts as artwork. Those Elves were fucking horrible, and NOTHING the humans have done comes CLOSE to being bad by comparison.
@@frozenlizard7738 The Snow Elves who also murdered a bunch of children and their families, and destroyed an entire city in one night for seemingly no reason at all?
Reyda’s disappearance: when you ask Willhelm about Narfi, he tells you who Reyda is and that she disappeared. Then you can also ask him about the mysterious island to the east and he will tell you that people have seen lights and things around there and recommends that you don’t go there because “it didn’t do Reyda any good.” I have always felt that this was a clue as to what happened to her.
I always suspected Wilhelm of being the one that killed Reyda. He makes mention of the "small island" (with Geirmund's Hall) several times and also mentions that Reyda visited it regularly...but his commentary (both that he suspected she'd gone to the area and the "it didn't do Reyda any good") and her location point towards him doing something. The river in which she's found flows *towards* Geirmund's Hall, so she couldn't have floated there (since you can test the direction yourself)...
@Dick Grayson Sure you are kost definitely entitled to youre incorrect opinion. Considering how many people disagree with you, youre wrong by proxy of majority. Dont watch his vids if you dont like it.
The whole Matriarch theory sounds like there was a perfectly missed opportunity for quest chains either for Foresworn reclaiming the Reach or having the player help to wipe out the Foresworn once and for all
@@Gensolink There's a long list of reasons to think that the producers basically just gave the devs a deadline and the game wasn't really finished when shipped.
I think it's good they were left to linger. If it was possible to resolve that centuries-old problem along with a civil war, killing an armageddon dragon, stopping vampires from blotting out the sun and preventing an ancient dragonborn from enslaving an Elvish island seems like you're able to literally solve any problem with just a couple of dungeon crawls. I think it's a good thing for a couple of issues to be left out of the Dragonborn's hands.
I've always thought that the Forsworn were split into (at least) two factions: those following Madanach and those following the Matriarch. That would explain why, even if you side with the Forsworn in Markarth, all of the Forsworn in the Reach are still hostile to you EXCEPT the ones hanging out in that cave with Madanach. I see them more as the radicals. Most of the Forsworn are following their spiritual traditions and following their traditional spiritual leader (hagravens), trusting that they will eventually take back the Reach. Madanach and his buds didn't think that plan was moving fast enough and so started to take more direct action. It's kind of like how Ulfric calls himself High King of the Nords while half the country is like, "Lol, no."
@@thundergamespt99 I’m an imperial all the way. Ulfric is a traitor (murders his high king in cold blood) and a fool (reveals the secret loophole in the talos worship ban)
When you return to High Hrothgar to meet with Paarthurnax, it's Wulfgar that speaks up when Arngier refuses to allow it. I think that is another point in favor of Wulfgar being the friend writing the letters.
I was curious, so dug into the game files to see where the letter from a friend came from (as courier notes tend to be attached to their authors in the game scripting). And it is in fact given to the courier by... the Word Wall itself. That's either a bit of dull, completely meaningless implementation detail, or something rather spooky in itself.
sol1d gh0st you’re watching a video about a game where there are literally cat people, lizard people, and the main character is technically part dragon. You’re pretty slow, huh?
How about:- The couriers are actually the most powerful guild in Skyrim. How else do you explain the courier turning up with Severio Pelagia's inheritance the moment you step outside the Palace of the Kings in Windhelm after starting the questline for the battle of Whiterun? Knowing exactly where you are at all times? Knowing who you are perfectly despite you being a nobody to begin with? These guys find you no matter where you run to, how good your sneak is or even if you are a lvl 10 Puny McNo-Fame who has been power leveling smithing in Whiterun the entire time. Clearly they have access to an omnipotent, omnipresent source of power that can spot the unmistakable presence of a Player Character, and make sure that person gets their dang mail.
I always thought the letter was sent from Delphine. 1. The greybeards wouldn’t refer to the player as a friend. They’re much more like teachers than friends, while Delphine would be weird enough to call you a friend before you even meet her. 2. The greybeards don’t want the Dragonborn to use the thu’um for fighting (at least in the beginning, when you can get these letters), while the letter from a friend seems to suggest that intent. Delphine, on the other hand, encourages the player to use their thu’um for combat. 3. A lot of word walls that one can be directed to are the locations of dragon roosts. Delphine is OBSESSED with killing dragons, so it would make sense she would try and get to player to head to these places. 4. It would make sense for Delphine to have a lot of operatives all over Skyrim (for Blades reasons), so that could be how she finds out so fast. 5. When retrieving the horn of Jurgen Windcaller, it’s shown that Delphine adresses the player via notes.
1 I don't see why not 2 That's not accurate. If you ask argenier, he says the gods punished the nords for using shouts for war. They say the ability to shout is a gift from the gods that is only to be used for the worship of the gods. He also say the gift the dragonborn has is a gift from akatosh given directly to the player. And he asks who they would be to acknowledge one gift but deny the other. It is a separate gift with separate restrictions. The greybeards never intended to force the dragonborn into seclusion. This still leaves room for the individual greybeards to have additional nuance and one of the greybeards approving more than the others would explain why an alias was used. 3 Most of the locations that the player can be sent to are draugr tombs, not dragon roosts. 4 Delphine might keep tabs on where the dragonborn is. But delphine doesn't know how to determine when the dragonborn shouts or have any reason to record that. The speed of messages is almost certainly developer oversight. After all, the player can 'cause a stir' at their own home (outside of a city) or even in a daedric princes realm, which doesn't seem to be intended (and if it was, well there goes your delphine theory anyway as delphine doesn't have operatives in daedric realms). They simply set a trigger to send the note after the player had used a shout. Creating a system to delay the word usage and the message arrival would be additional work on their part.
@@Elrog3 the thing about daedric realms is a good point. What if the letters come from a daedric prince who wants to make a bit of a stir. But instead of just appearing and telling the Dragonborn directly, they play around a bit, giving only hints. The courier might even be a daedra (or their associates) in disguise. Which daedric prince it would be is a different question.
The Matriarch theory is interesting, it might also explain why the other Foresworn still attack you even if you side with Madanach, maybe he only leads the Markarth branch and his authority only goes so far.
@@EchoKnightYT Also, if you're curious, in Morrowind he says ""The Emperor is getting old. Don't know how much longer he'll hang on. So is the whole Empire, for that matter. Getting old, that is. The Emperor and the legions have held the Empire together for hundreds of years. It's been a good thing, by and large. But maybe it's time for a change. Time for something young and new. What? No idea. Because I'm old. Old dog doesn't get new ideas. But maybe young folks like you should try some new ideas. I don't know. Could be messy. But change is never pretty.""
So when it comes to narfi's sister, you can normally find her corpse by a couple of arrows that float out of the water near her remains, it is speculated that she was shot with a bow and arrow and her body was dumped in the river. The arrows will flow down river pretty quickly so it's easy to miss.
@@chibichan9586 I think it was Willhelm in the Inn. He's paranoid about hagravens with the mace and book about killing hagravens under his bar. Probably thought her interest in alchemy (she went to gather ingredients and has a bunch of rare ones on her when you find the skeleton) meant she had ties to that sort of "evil" magic
There is a possibility for a guard to say “pss, I know who you are, hail sithis” if you completed the DB quest line, hopefully this helps you with a video
I always assumed that the Forsworn "old gods" were Daedra. According to a book about the rebellion, it's mentioned that one of the first things Madanach did was legalize Daedra worship. Add that to the number of Daedric shrines in the Reach, and it all makes sense.
There is a journal for narif when you have to kill him for dark brotherhood, she fell and knocked herself out drowning, the inn keeper was watching her. He panicked
In my own head canon, the Reachmen/Forsworn worship a pantheon that is a blend of Daedra and Aedra. We know they worship and highly revere Hircine, and at least one clan also worshipped Namira. Some (but perhaps not all) worshipped Molag Bal as well. That said, I do not believe it is a coincidence that in nearly every Forsworn location one can find shrines of Dibella. We might suppose that the Reachmen are desecrating those shrines, but that doesn't seem to be the case. The Forsworn look to be behaving reverently toward the shrines, and the animal carcasses and gore seem to be sacrifices made to Dibella at the shrines. Besides all that, how would the Forsworn know there was a new Dibellan Sybil, much less how and where to find her? And upon finding her, why keep her alive, guarded by a Briarheart, no less? And when Enmon asks his daughter, the new Sybil, if the Forsworn hurt her, she responds, "Of course not. My spirit remains strong." It seems clear to me that the heart of the Reachman/Forsworn pantheon is dualistic in nature, chaos and order in balance, represented by Hircine and Dibella, a Daedric Prince (chaos/change) and an Aedric goddess (order/stasis). Other Daedra and Aedra may be worshipped to greater and lesser degrees among the different clans, but Hircine and Dibella seem to be the only two constants.
@@pepeberlusconi1736 Correct. And Khajiiti cosmology makes no inherent distinction between the two, seeing most of them as liter mates, children of Ahnurr and Fadomai. Those that are regarded as evil or adversarial spirits are so for reasons other than "because Daedra."
@@HickoryDickory86 I know this is beyond late but eso does have a book that goes into forsworn gods and they are all daedra the main three that all clans worship are Hircine Peryite and Namira its actually quite an interesting religion and one of my favourites of any race.
@@placeholder2586 Late or not, I'm qlways happy to discuss Elder Scrolls lore. Thanks for that insight? Was there no mention of Dibella in the book? If not, I find that very odd and very much a missed opportunity on the developers'/writers' part.
@@HickoryDickory86 There wasn't any mention of dibella in fact the first book in the series kinda denounces the aedra outright but the books do go on to say that the clans do have different beliefs and ways of worship so it's possible the one clan we meet in the skyrim quest did worship her. If your interested the books are called: The great spirits of the reach. I believe there are three volumes but I could be forgetting one or 2. OK nevermind I checked there are 5 books not 3.
Wheezing Laugh don’t the letters start being signed by Esbern after you meet him? I might be misremembering or it might have been from a mod but I remember them being written by Esbern
@@Xixion1123 oh i dont pay attention to the old guy when the main quest gets too close to where the blades want you to Murder Partysnax (i forgot how to actually spell it so i memed) so..
@@Xixion1123 that was probably from a mod. Normally the letter never changes, and who sent it has been the subject of furious debate since the release of skyrim. I think Nate even did a video on it.
I find it interesting how Hag's End isn't in the Reach, but in Haafingar. The Forsworn are running this massive operation from outside it's own claimed borders.
I always thought that the Matriarch (yes, I read the notes, too) was the hagraven at Karthspire. You can find her standing facing a primitive altar with a GIANT sacrificed upon it. She obviously killed it herself. Someone powerful enough to kill a giant for a sacrifice surely should have been the real leader of the Forsworn. I didn't even think of the disappearing and reappearing hagraven from Hag's End. I also thought the reason Madanach is the King of the Forsworn, but has no real power in the outside world, is because he's married to the hagraven leader, and the Forsworn are matriarchal, having the males be the subordinate to the females. It would be an interesting and very ancient concept Skyrim could have had.
Narfi gifted me a human heart when I gave him the necklace….idk if that happens every time or if it’s randomized etc but it was the first time I noticed it and it definitely freaked me out a bit lol
This community is great. A dude who loves to provide new insight into skyrim and all his followers discussing it and adding new information like respectful people. Thank Talos for that.
I must have misinterpreted something somewhere, because I thought all Forsworn were Daedra worshipers. Maybe it was something about the briar heart rituals or whatnot.
The stable master outside Markarth speaks a bit about the forsworn and their "old ways." He says some of the traditions should be left in the past, and specifically mentions daedra worship. That is why I, like you, assumed all forsworn were daedra worshipers, and the old gods were in fact the daedra.
Their enemies all say they are daedric worshippers, but as Nate states, that is not confirmed in game. Maybe, like many other peoples, they had no overarching cosmology and various clans worship their clan totems, which may or may not be Aedra or Daedra. Animal worship, or gods in the shapes of animals (as in ancient Egypt), is not unusual in totemic systems.
If you chose to side with the Foresworn, Madanach and his hang will return to a place called Druadach Redoubt. I went there and none of the Foresworn attacked me they just kept repeating the words, "The Reach Will Be Ours Again!" I couldn't even find Madanach. Only a few of his followers were there. Also, I found a random location where I had to release a Hagraven named Melka because supposedly her sister Petra caged her and stole the castle tower from her. So, I battled along side Melka to get rid of the Foresworn but unfortunately Petra overcame Melka and killed her, I ended up killing Petra. But, I did get that nice staff off of Melka's corpse, it's called "Melka's Eye" pretty neat side quest to do if you think about it.
Its sadly no one. Its just a scripted event to get you another shout. Nate said it himself that you can shout in apocrypha and he can hear you?! That would make that person have EXTRAORDINARY power so it's no one. Well maybe PartySnaxx.
Those are all some great theories. I really like the Matriarch one. It almost seems like Bethesda had a large side quest which they abandoned in favor of escaping from the prison. I also like the first one a lot - it definitely seems plausible that she was murdered to death by a vampire. If she’s the only one mentioned to be missing from Ivorstead, then I feel like it all lines up.
I have a feeling there is another aspect to the Reyda story no one seems to notice, according to the innkeeper, Reyna went missing about a year ago. In another conversation, he mentions Wyndelius or whatever his name is (the guy that turned himself into a ghost in the nearby barrow) showed up about a year ago. It seems a bit odd that the time frame matches in a town where not much happens.
I don't know if I trust the NPCs timelines that much. I was just in the College of Winterhold and asked about the missing apprentices. He said 'yeah they were in the batch before you. they've been missing for...about a month.' it's been like 2 years in-game since I went back to the College of Winterhold since I have no interest in ancano's shit. Not to mention I'm going to have to fight him while he's naked. One day he just turned up nude except for a thalmor cloak and he's sticking with his new signature look.
I kind of imagine that not much time passes while you’re in Skyrim, yes there are days, weeks and months, but Skyrim is set in a specific year, 4E 201, so when you get to the last day of the year, 31st of Evening Star (December), you just go back to the 1st of Morning Star (January) still in 4E 201. So if that logic is true, anything that happened about a year ago must have happened in the year 4E 200. This is reflected in Wyndelius‘ journal, which starts on the 18th of Morning Star 4E 200.
I got to Hag's End on accident when hopping through mountains trying to find Skyhaven Temple. I thought they'd be friendly because of the whole Cidna Mine thing... first actual Foreseorn I'd ever run into. I was wrong. Briarheart murdered me. Respawned and was more careful. Killed a couple of briarhearts and that hagraven. She'd obviously made the briarheart dude. All other camps disappointed me thenceforth.
The Knights of the Nine were a very small faction, similar in size to the Knights of the Throne, and actually smaller than the Knights of the True Horn, both of which were considered minor factions. I think it's safe to assume the Knights of the Nine either re-disbanded or were destroyed.
I think the letters come from Talos himself. He is known to intervene in times of crisis and maniphesting himself to the great heroes in many forms (Wulf the Legionnaire in Morrowind, the Dragon that Martin Septim turns into in Oblivion). Maybe Talos wanted to make sure the Dragonborn is well-prepared to defeat Alduin?
7:00 in ESO's Markarth expansion, the forsworn we help do in fact worship, or at least honor, several daedric princes including Hircine. So this theory is pretty much confirmed.
The letter from the last theory references a forsworn tribe talking about how they’ve accused the matriarch of sort of softening them, and I’m thinking that this accusatory tribe could have broken away and been lead by what’s-his-face the king in rags.
Regarding the "Letter from a Friend" one, the fact that you can get a letter from anywhere, be it Apocrypha, Breezehome, Blackreach, or wherever the hell it is -- that's merely a consequence of the game's radiant engine. Beyond that, I always assumed it wasn't any particular person, just some random guy in whatever location the player Shouted. Some guy demonstrated a godly power (Thu'um) in Whiterun or whatever and and it gets the people talking. One person overhears the rumors at the tavern and just so happens to know about a word wall in a nearby tomb. This person then decides to write an anonymous letter to this "Dragonborn" giving him/her a friendly tip.
I'd like to imagine its actually Talos, back in Morrowind, you can actually encounter him in ghostgate before you go to the final showdown, Talos as an old soldier will give you a lucky coin. So I'd imagine Talos sends those letters, from one Dragonborn to another.
It's simple: Madanach is a front, a distraction. With him imprisoned for so long, no one would have thought to go looking for some other unifying figure among the Forsworn, thereby keeping The Matriarch safe. It wouldn't be the first time a hidden power was manipulating a throne. Heck, it even seem to be happening with that vampire in the court of Solitude.
I had come to assume the friend was THAT THING, one of the most powerful beings in all of Skyrim, the courier. (since they seem to always know your whereabouts) One time walking through the forest in Falkreath at night I just saw one standing there "nope sorry nothing"
I think the friend writing us those letters is the courier. He seems to check all those boxes for what you said about the friend and his capabilities and skills.
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That is the complete opposite of what is stated in the missive. The matriarch is the one with the army and despises political scheming. A sycophant is someone who licks upward and kicks downward to get what they want, politically.
@@Tatwinus It looks like there are actually factions among the Forsworn. One group, mostly located towards the eastern parts of the Reach, following the Matriarch and whose camps generally have a hagraven around somewhere. Another, mostly located towards the western parts, following Madenach with nary a hagraven in sight. This would explain the note despising those who deal with rabble., which is exactly what Madenach and his bunch are doing: making deals with the Silverbloods, who would certainly be considered rabble by any self-respecting Forsworn.
@@Tatwinus Well maybe madenach is political while the matriach is the general, either way, i think its likely that madenach is sort of like a second in command
How do we know the matriarch is a single person? Maybe a matriarch is like the forsworn version of a chief, and each matriarch mentioned is the chief of a different tribe. I mean, it seems like every major forsworn area has a hagraven at the very end, near some word wall or boss chest, like they are the leader of that place. Maybe those are the matriarchs.
I didn't know it was a mystery who the Matriarch was, I always thought it was the Hagraven at Hag's End. I also just thought of her as a war leader type.
I thought the “old gods” referred to Kyne and her group. The old nord gods. I mean, we DO meet the hunter who kept up the traditions and transferred to us the way of how to receive them.
Kyne and Shor, and others, are the old NORDIC gods. The Reachmen identify with their Breton ancestors, not the Nords who invaded their land, even if there is some Nord DNA in their bloodlines.
Glitch Demon oh when you say phase u mean when you get addicted to a game and then a few days later just stop watching any video about it and not being interested anymore
@@missingindy with me it's more like a month or two, and even afterwards I'll still like the game, I just won't talk about it as much also I kinda regret saying that now because I feel like I'm being judged, and I most likely am, people are just like that
Bethesda also have a habit of releasing half-baked games with half-assed quests and stories and never going back to finish (or at least flesh out) most of them.
I always assumed it was a daedra with the l3tters. They're pretty weird as it is and it took me a long time to stop thinking they were traps and actually follow them.
Hey you, yes you, you were caught while watching a nate video, damn TH-cam algorithm terminating subscribers out of the blue. We were captured in the comments section.
I just stumbled upon your channel after what feels like millions of years, ahhh the memories I’ve been quoting you near daily for all that time too XD “Murdered to death” and “Elder Scrolls Five Skyrim” being my two most quoted quotes, i dunno, it’s just the way you’ve always said those two sentences XD I wasn’t allowed to subscribe when I was watching your videos all those years ago so now that i am allowed ima finally do it
Madenac was only a front to let the people of Markarth think that they are at a position of strength having the forsworn “leader” behind bars, but in reality the matriarch is in full control organizing her followers, relaying orders, and planning her take over with the perfect cover in “The King in Rags”.
Man that narfee quest made me sad. Seeing him regress to the childlike state after his sister dying, and him not understanding who what when where why it happened.
Addressing the knights of the nine, did anyone else notice that the dawnguards heavy armor looks very similar in structure, but its color matches that exact shade of the flag the warrior on top of the hill holds? And if they would've kept striking new threats that plagued the earth, they may have settled on vampires when they learned their skill? Also, if you pay attention to the dialogue when speaking to Isran, he mentions something about the elves. This supports your theory
Ooooh you should check out the one theory about the 'Note from a friend' where they come to the conclusion that you are that friend. That you in the future used a shout or something (don't entirely remember it) to send yourself that note because only you can know where you were at that perticular moment in time.
The scariest theory is that the courier, and the sweet roll thief, are one and the same...
Nope sorry...nothing
he's secretly a daedric lord from the shivering isles, aiding in the creation of the great sweet roll pyramids. why do you think he knows of our location and is there to personally deliver us a message? he has god tier teleportation and clairvoyance.
I just subbed like 2 weeks ago haha been binge watching all of his small detail videos
He accepts payments in sweet rolls and simply decided to save everyone the hassle of an invoice. This is why you read the fine print
@@ElectromagNick read? HAH, this is skyrim, if its not said with a weapon or spell in hand, nobody cares. :P
We not gonna talk about the guy getting his head ground in the beginning
Guess not
Hmm better cut down on the ale. Been seeing things! *AAAAARGH!*
That's actually naturally in game irrc
Andrew Drumwright it does show it for like a second and a half in the beginning.
Lol, yup
Imagine being a courier in skyrim and having to climb hrothgar every single day
majomember1000 calves 100
Nah dragon delivery
Never skipped leg day
@@daleyhuard3675 Every day is leg day
The Elder Stranding
"enslaved pretty much every human being they came across"
"humans got pretty annoyed"
lmao
Humans weren't to nice themselves in the early days.
@@frozenlizard7738
You have no fucking right to say that. The Aylieds would cut open children and use their guts as artwork. Those Elves were fucking horrible, and NOTHING the humans have done comes CLOSE to being bad by comparison.
@@Alizudo Wasn't talking about the aylieds, was talking about the snow elves.
@@frozenlizard7738
The Snow Elves who also murdered a bunch of children and their families, and destroyed an entire city in one night for seemingly no reason at all?
@@Alizudo I feel like those don't always just reflect on the entire Snow Elves race and doesn't warrant absolute genocide towards them.
Reyda’s disappearance: when you ask Willhelm about Narfi, he tells you who Reyda is and that she disappeared. Then you can also ask him about the mysterious island to the east and he will tell you that people have seen lights and things around there and recommends that you don’t go there because “it didn’t do Reyda any good.” I have always felt that this was a clue as to what happened to her.
I like to headcanon she was trying to find out the "forbidden legend" Thing much like we are after hearing about it or something.
I always suspected Wilhelm of being the one that killed Reyda. He makes mention of the "small island" (with Geirmund's Hall) several times and also mentions that Reyda visited it regularly...but his commentary (both that he suspected she'd gone to the area and the "it didn't do Reyda any good") and her location point towards him doing something. The river in which she's found flows *towards* Geirmund's Hall, so she couldn't have floated there (since you can test the direction yourself)...
The phrase “Murdered to death” will never get old.
Just like most of the people l murder to death in the Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim!
@Dick Grayson Thats your incorrect opinion
@Dick Grayson Sure you are kost definitely entitled to youre incorrect opinion. Considering how many people disagree with you, youre wrong by proxy of majority. Dont watch his vids if you dont like it.
@Dick Grayson I dont see why you feel the need to bash something that clearly everyone here enjoys.
@@BOGSNIPERfromPS3 "everyone"
The whole Matriarch theory sounds like there was a perfectly missed opportunity for quest chains either for Foresworn reclaiming the Reach or having the player help to wipe out the Foresworn once and for all
Adam Baker I agree 100%. It's a shame we never got anything else story-wise in regards to the Forsworn outside of two side quests.
the forsworns in general are a missed opportunity, they are mostly a bunch of crazy primitive bandits
@@Gensolink There's a long list of reasons to think that the producers basically just gave the devs a deadline and the game wasn't really finished when shipped.
iT JusT wOrKs!
I think it's good they were left to linger. If it was possible to resolve that centuries-old problem along with a civil war, killing an armageddon dragon, stopping vampires from blotting out the sun and preventing an ancient dragonborn from enslaving an Elvish island seems like you're able to literally solve any problem with just a couple of dungeon crawls. I think it's a good thing for a couple of issues to be left out of the Dragonborn's hands.
I still cant believe he is still doing this
He really is an og
With you all the way nate
Yeah he is, he is an awesome OG
Til the end of the line
Well. Skyrim constantly getting rebooted for the cashgrab doesn't make it better, but also stops it from getting old.
@@FifinatorKlon it's a catch 22
This didn't age well
I've always thought that the Forsworn were split into (at least) two factions: those following Madanach and those following the Matriarch. That would explain why, even if you side with the Forsworn in Markarth, all of the Forsworn in the Reach are still hostile to you EXCEPT the ones hanging out in that cave with Madanach. I see them more as the radicals. Most of the Forsworn are following their spiritual traditions and following their traditional spiritual leader (hagravens), trusting that they will eventually take back the Reach. Madanach and his buds didn't think that plan was moving fast enough and so started to take more direct action. It's kind of like how Ulfric calls himself High King of the Nords while half the country is like, "Lol, no."
The elf loving half!
@@Thor-Orionnome of them like the Thalmor
@@RevanReborn3950BBYSHHHHHH we hate the imperial half, we worship the True High King Ulfric
@@thundergamespt99 I’m an imperial all the way. Ulfric is a traitor (murders his high king in cold blood) and a fool (reveals the secret loophole in the talos worship ban)
@@RevanReborn3950BBY counter argument: his armor is cooler, and he can do funni shout.
“Their entire existence is predicated on dunking on elves with a superiority complex” LMFAO
Like my brother. Lol
When you return to High Hrothgar to meet with Paarthurnax, it's Wulfgar that speaks up when Arngier refuses to allow it. I think that is another point in favor of Wulfgar being the friend writing the letters.
I like wulfgar mostly because his name is epik and cool
Isnt it einaerth that spraka up to arngeir
‘Speaks i mean, stupid autocorrect
Wait, you mean it wasn't? I always figured the friend was the head of the dudes that shouted at the start of the game.
Actually, it comes from the word wall that you're led to
I was curious, so dug into the game files to see where the letter from a friend came from (as courier notes tend to be attached to their authors in the game scripting). And it is in fact given to the courier by... the Word Wall itself. That's either a bit of dull, completely meaningless implementation detail, or something rather spooky in itself.
Probably akatosh then
You:Looking in code to find the truth
Todd Howard: lol you thought
sol1d gh0st you’re watching a video about a game where there are literally cat people, lizard people, and the main character is technically part dragon. You’re pretty slow, huh?
@@doubtful_seer We've all secretly been furries this whole time...
YoshiCookiesZDX oshit
How about:- The couriers are actually the most powerful guild in Skyrim.
How else do you explain the courier turning up with Severio Pelagia's inheritance the moment you step outside the Palace of the Kings in Windhelm after starting the questline for the battle of Whiterun?
Knowing exactly where you are at all times?
Knowing who you are perfectly despite you being a nobody to begin with?
These guys find you no matter where you run to, how good your sneak is or even if you are a lvl 10 Puny McNo-Fame who has been power leveling smithing in Whiterun the entire time.
Clearly they have access to an omnipotent, omnipresent source of power that can spot the unmistakable presence of a Player Character, and make sure that person gets their dang mail.
Sam Wicks
They also have no fear and stop you in a middle of a fight for giving you the message
If only they used their powers for good, then there wouldn't even be a need for the last Dragonborn
@@kaleidoscope1693 maybe they r connected to akatosh and they r keeping the timeline in order
Only if my UPS man was like that instead I get it extremely late or never even get my mail
Omg I knew it! Seriously tho that guy is so annoying, you can’t even get rid of him!
I love the fact that the Knight of the Nine is now the Daedric God of Madness, hilarious
Pelinal would be proud
I always thought the letter was sent from Delphine.
1. The greybeards wouldn’t refer to the player as a friend. They’re much more like teachers than friends, while Delphine would be weird enough to call you a friend before you even meet her.
2. The greybeards don’t want the Dragonborn to use the thu’um for fighting (at least in the beginning, when you can get these letters), while the letter from a friend seems to suggest that intent. Delphine, on the other hand, encourages the player to use their thu’um for combat.
3. A lot of word walls that one can be directed to are the locations of dragon roosts. Delphine is OBSESSED with killing dragons, so it would make sense she would try and get to player to head to these places.
4. It would make sense for Delphine to have a lot of operatives all over Skyrim (for Blades reasons), so that could be how she finds out so fast.
5. When retrieving the horn of Jurgen Windcaller, it’s shown that Delphine adresses the player via notes.
This is what I aways assumed even if you do the main quest she wouldn't want people to see who is sending you these letters
You can still get letters from the friend, even if you tell Delphine to fuck off during the Paarthurnax dilema
1 I don't see why not
2 That's not accurate. If you ask argenier, he says the gods punished the nords for using shouts for war. They say the ability to shout is a gift from the gods that is only to be used for the worship of the gods. He also say the gift the dragonborn has is a gift from akatosh given directly to the player. And he asks who they would be to acknowledge one gift but deny the other. It is a separate gift with separate restrictions. The greybeards never intended to force the dragonborn into seclusion. This still leaves room for the individual greybeards to have additional nuance and one of the greybeards approving more than the others would explain why an alias was used.
3 Most of the locations that the player can be sent to are draugr tombs, not dragon roosts.
4 Delphine might keep tabs on where the dragonborn is. But delphine doesn't know how to determine when the dragonborn shouts or have any reason to record that. The speed of messages is almost certainly developer oversight. After all, the player can 'cause a stir' at their own home (outside of a city) or even in a daedric princes realm, which doesn't seem to be intended (and if it was, well there goes your delphine theory anyway as delphine doesn't have operatives in daedric realms). They simply set a trigger to send the note after the player had used a shout. Creating a system to delay the word usage and the message arrival would be additional work on their part.
I always assume it was the Fucking Esbern, because in all my playthrough, i only got it after i unlock Akaviri's Temple
@@Elrog3 the thing about daedric realms is a good point.
What if the letters come from a daedric prince who wants to make a bit of a stir. But instead of just appearing and telling the Dragonborn directly, they play around a bit, giving only hints. The courier might even be a daedra (or their associates) in disguise.
Which daedric prince it would be is a different question.
The Matriarch theory is interesting, it might also explain why the other Foresworn still attack you even if you side with Madanach, maybe he only leads the Markarth branch and his authority only goes so far.
Remember that Talos manifested in Morrowind as an old soldier named Wulf.
Wulfgar. Knows you shouted in other planes.
Just think about it.
My. Fucking. God.
Luke Ramsey So are you saying that Wulfgar the Greybeard is really Talos?
@@EchoKnightYT An aspect manifested. Not the whole oversoul of course. But it is likely Talos is keeping an eye on the Dragonborn.
Luke Ramsey I like this theory, because I find the implications interesting.
@@EchoKnightYT Also, if you're curious, in Morrowind he says
""The Emperor is getting old. Don't know how much longer he'll hang on. So is the whole Empire, for that matter. Getting old, that is. The Emperor and the legions have held the Empire together for hundreds of years. It's been a good thing, by and large. But maybe it's time for a change. Time for something young and new. What? No idea. Because I'm old. Old dog doesn't get new ideas. But maybe young folks like you should try some new ideas. I don't know. Could be messy. But change is never pretty.""
The weirdest spooky theory is why Nate hasn't reached 1 million subs yet, only TH-cam knows the answer and TH-cam isn't talking
@Little Shmuplet The answer is that Jeffrey Epstein didn’t kill himself.
@@Longshanks1690 also Jeffrey Eppstein didn't kill himself
Your points may be true but I think Jeffrey Epstien didn't kill himself...
The hebrew word for Skyrim is Hkde... spelled backwards is EDKH... which stands for... Epstein Didn't Kill Himself
Well when we look at the clues, it's pretty easy to see TH-cam doesn't care
So when it comes to narfi's sister, you can normally find her corpse by a couple of arrows that float out of the water near her remains, it is speculated that she was shot with a bow and arrow and her body was dumped in the river. The arrows will flow down river pretty quickly so it's easy to miss.
Hmmm!!! Weird!! Some say He killed her but idk
@@chibichan9586 I think it was Willhelm in the Inn. He's paranoid about hagravens with the mace and book about killing hagravens under his bar. Probably thought her interest in alchemy (she went to gather ingredients and has a bunch of rare ones on her when you find the skeleton) meant she had ties to that sort of "evil" magic
There is a possibility for a guard to say “pss, I know who you are, hail sithis” if you completed the DB quest line, hopefully this helps you with a video
That is epic.
You’re acting like it’s rare..
You don't have to have done the whole thing. I cometed like 3 or 4 west's and got this. It was really funny to hear though
Idk if it's a bug or not but I got this when I just joined them before doing any actual assassination
I didn't know that, that's really interesting!!
"Hey dragonborn. It's me, todd howard. I wanted to let you know you can unlock more shouts by subscribing to fallout first"
4.99 a month.
1000$ a month gets you Todd Howard's voice to lull you to sleep in game during the sleep animation! I already bought 2!
@@ns0557212 And brings back adoring fan!
My spooky theory is TheEpicNate has made a deal with Hermaeus Mora to get the knowledge to STILL KEEP PUTTING THESE VIDEOS OUT.
I must say this is true
@Mad Hatress Souffle Have we ever seen both of them in the same room? We have not.
This theory could really go somewhere. There's alot of valid points
I agree to this message as well
I love these comment sections. All hail EpicNate Hermaus Mora!
This game was amazing it came out in 2011 and in 2019 still finding new things that's insane.
Skyrim is THE game
TURTLE SNAPLER STAPLED THR WEENY
I always assumed that the Forsworn "old gods" were Daedra. According to a book about the rebellion, it's mentioned that one of the first things Madanach did was legalize Daedra worship. Add that to the number of Daedric shrines in the Reach, and it all makes sense.
I read the book of sithis I agree with this message
I hope that the Knights of the nine, appear in Elder Scrolls 6, maybe a blades like faction.
Human resistance
1: It’s possible that Bethesda might not ruin TES VI.
We can only hope
I M P O S S I B L E
@@e1357 perhaps the archives are incomplete
I hope so :(
Press "X" to doubt. XXXXXX
I’ve never been this early. Hey how’s it going Nate it’s guys here.
I have never been this early
@@lossnt557 fr
I've never been this late though...
@@mergen3125 hm me neither
Nate: What's up guys it's Nate here.
Guys: (Uses an Uno reverse card) What's up Nate it's guys here
That's brilliant
I know a scary theory: my mother in law finding out where me and my wife moved
Dark Prophit, Ok how is that a theory? And if you’re married but can’t spell “Prophet” I feel bad for your “wife”
Terrifying!
Steven ? Is that you ?
@@oxyu3533 you're trash
Oxyu sad
There is a journal for narif when you have to kill him for dark brotherhood, she fell and knocked herself out drowning, the inn keeper was watching her. He panicked
I never noticed that the symbol on the Vilemyr Inn sign is actually just the treble clef on it’s side 🤔. 2:53
He has a sign mod on I have it too and it makes some pretty good looking and some cute signs.
In my own head canon, the Reachmen/Forsworn worship a pantheon that is a blend of Daedra and Aedra.
We know they worship and highly revere Hircine, and at least one clan also worshipped Namira. Some (but perhaps not all) worshipped Molag Bal as well.
That said, I do not believe it is a coincidence that in nearly every Forsworn location one can find shrines of Dibella.
We might suppose that the Reachmen are desecrating those shrines, but that doesn't seem to be the case. The Forsworn look to be behaving reverently toward the shrines, and the animal carcasses and gore seem to be sacrifices made to Dibella at the shrines. Besides all that, how would the Forsworn know there was a new Dibellan Sybil, much less how and where to find her? And upon finding her, why keep her alive, guarded by a Briarheart, no less? And when Enmon asks his daughter, the new Sybil, if the Forsworn hurt her, she responds, "Of course not. My spirit remains strong."
It seems clear to me that the heart of the Reachman/Forsworn pantheon is dualistic in nature, chaos and order in balance, represented by Hircine and Dibella, a Daedric Prince (chaos/change) and an Aedric goddess (order/stasis). Other Daedra and Aedra may be worshipped to greater and lesser degrees among the different clans, but Hircine and Dibella seem to be the only two constants.
Well the Khajiit pantheon is also a mix of Daedra and Aedra, even though it has nothing to do with forsworns. So it isn't as farfetched of an idea.
@@pepeberlusconi1736 Correct. And Khajiiti cosmology makes no inherent distinction between the two, seeing most of them as liter mates, children of Ahnurr and Fadomai. Those that are regarded as evil or adversarial spirits are so for reasons other than "because Daedra."
@@HickoryDickory86 I know this is beyond late but eso does have a book that goes into forsworn gods and they are all daedra the main three that all clans worship are Hircine Peryite and Namira its actually quite an interesting religion and one of my favourites of any race.
@@placeholder2586 Late or not, I'm qlways happy to discuss Elder Scrolls lore.
Thanks for that insight? Was there no mention of Dibella in the book? If not, I find that very odd and very much a missed opportunity on the developers'/writers' part.
@@HickoryDickory86 There wasn't any mention of dibella in fact the first book in the series kinda denounces the aedra outright but the books do go on to say that the clans do have different beliefs and ways of worship so it's possible the one clan we meet in the skyrim quest did worship her.
If your interested the books are called: The great spirits of the reach.
I believe there are three volumes but I could be forgetting one or 2.
OK nevermind I checked there are 5 books not 3.
I thought it was Delphine who sent the letters?
Since her letter in Ustengrav was written by "A Friend"
Wheezing Laugh don’t the letters start being signed by Esbern after you meet him? I might be misremembering or it might have been from a mod but I remember them being written by Esbern
@@Xixion1123 oh i dont pay attention to the old guy when the main quest gets too close to where the blades want you to Murder Partysnax (i forgot how to actually spell it so i memed) so..
@@khaztheconfuser1466 bro partysnax is a much better name lmao
@@Xixion1123 that was probably from a mod. Normally the letter never changes, and who sent it has been the subject of furious debate since the release of skyrim. I think Nate even did a video on it.
@@khaztheconfuser1466 Well, how would Delphine even know all that stuff?
I find it interesting how Hag's End isn't in the Reach, but in Haafingar. The Forsworn are running this massive operation from outside it's own claimed borders.
Cough Bin Laden in Pakistan Cough.
Similarly to the Polisario Front, who claims Western Sahara but the Headquarter is in Algeria
I always thought that the Matriarch (yes, I read the notes, too) was the hagraven at Karthspire. You can find her standing facing a primitive altar with a GIANT sacrificed upon it. She obviously killed it herself. Someone powerful enough to kill a giant for a sacrifice surely should have been the real leader of the Forsworn. I didn't even think of the disappearing and reappearing hagraven from Hag's End. I also thought the reason Madanach is the King of the Forsworn, but has no real power in the outside world, is because he's married to the hagraven leader, and the Forsworn are matriarchal, having the males be the subordinate to the females. It would be an interesting and very ancient concept Skyrim could have had.
Not even a theory. That's what it IS.
Narfi gifted me a human heart when I gave him the necklace….idk if that happens every time or if it’s randomized etc but it was the first time I noticed it and it definitely freaked me out a bit lol
This community is great. A dude who loves to provide new insight into skyrim and all his followers discussing it and adding new information like respectful people. Thank Talos for that.
I will always have TONS of respect for people who still make skyrim content, THANKS YOOOOU!!
I must have misinterpreted something somewhere, because I thought all Forsworn were Daedra worshipers. Maybe it was something about the briar heart rituals or whatnot.
The stable master outside Markarth speaks a bit about the forsworn and their "old ways." He says some of the traditions should be left in the past, and specifically mentions daedra worship. That is why I, like you, assumed all forsworn were daedra worshipers, and the old gods were in fact the daedra.
Their enemies all say they are daedric worshippers, but as Nate states, that is not confirmed in game. Maybe, like many other peoples, they had no overarching cosmology and various clans worship their clan totems, which may or may not be Aedra or Daedra. Animal worship, or gods in the shapes of animals (as in ancient Egypt), is not unusual in totemic systems.
This is honestly amazing. I’m so glad to see this content still being done for Skyrim and the Elder Scrolls in general. Thank you.
0:10 oh so thats how plastic surgery is done by the Forsworn! "just place your face on the grindstone and i will get right to work sir"
If you chose to side with the Foresworn, Madanach and his hang will return to a place called Druadach Redoubt. I went there and none of the Foresworn attacked me they just kept repeating the words, "The Reach Will Be Ours Again!" I couldn't even find Madanach. Only a few of his followers were there. Also, I found a random location where I had to release a Hagraven named Melka because supposedly her sister Petra caged her and stole the castle tower from her. So, I battled along side Melka to get rid of the Foresworn but unfortunately Petra overcame Melka and killed her, I ended up killing Petra. But, I did get that nice staff off of Melka's corpse, it's called "Melka's Eye" pretty neat side quest to do if you think about it.
Anyone else wonder if the Knights of the Nine are related to the Knights Who Say Nee?
Golden Knight What a stupid question. Who'd doubt that, to begin with?
@@raelaash4759 Maybe by the time of Skyrim they've changed their name to "Ekki-Ekki-Ekki-Ekki-PTANG. Zoom-Boing. Z'nourrwringmm?"
You... you just might have a point there.
I don’t know... IT’s a bit of a stretch
Ni!
My theory is that the “friend” is Mai’iq the Liar
why would kitty cat god meddle in the affairs of us lowly mortals
Or ebony warrior
Its hermaus Mora in my opinion, he knows where you are when you do that shouting. He is a god afterall.
Its sadly no one. Its just a scripted event to get you another shout. Nate said it himself that you can shout in apocrypha and he can hear you?! That would make that person have EXTRAORDINARY power so it's no one.
Well maybe PartySnaxx.
Kai Crow I mean there’s a couple theories that Mai’iq is a god so there’s that.
Those are all some great theories. I really like the Matriarch one. It almost seems like Bethesda had a large side quest which they abandoned in favor of escaping from the prison. I also like the first one a lot - it definitely seems plausible that she was murdered to death by a vampire. If she’s the only one mentioned to be missing from Ivorstead, then I feel like it all lines up.
"Murdered to death" as opposed to..?
@@AB-gb6zz Well, a Vampire can murder you to undead...
@@AB-gb6zz Maybe he just borrowed the phrase from Nate, who says "murdered to death" a lot.
I have a feeling there is another aspect to the Reyda story no one seems to notice, according to the innkeeper, Reyna went missing about a year ago. In another conversation, he mentions Wyndelius or whatever his name is (the guy that turned himself into a ghost in the nearby barrow) showed up about a year ago. It seems a bit odd that the time frame matches in a town where not much happens.
I don't know if I trust the NPCs timelines that much. I was just in the College of Winterhold and asked about the missing apprentices. He said 'yeah they were in the batch before you. they've been missing for...about a month.' it's been like 2 years in-game since I went back to the College of Winterhold since I have no interest in ancano's shit. Not to mention I'm going to have to fight him while he's naked. One day he just turned up nude except for a thalmor cloak and he's sticking with his new signature look.
I kind of imagine that not much time passes while you’re in Skyrim, yes there are days, weeks and months, but Skyrim is set in a specific year, 4E 201, so when you get to the last day of the year, 31st of Evening Star (December), you just go back to the 1st of Morning Star (January) still in 4E 201. So if that logic is true, anything that happened about a year ago must have happened in the year 4E 200. This is reflected in Wyndelius‘ journal, which starts on the 18th of Morning Star 4E 200.
The innkeeper mentioned something about a vampire looking for “food” around the time Reyna went missing 🤔
@@explodingplant2 bro wat
Just lay back and relax as everyone's favourite uncle Nate tells us all a bedtime story about a magical land called Skyrim 😂
Nate explaining how the unnamed Hag raven was the Matriarch.
Me: “Ohhhh... yeah I just killed her... several times... on every play through...”
Tiid
13:47 omg a couple years ago nate called it the "thumb". My boys growin up im so proud!
I got to Hag's End on accident when hopping through mountains trying to find Skyhaven Temple. I thought they'd be friendly because of the whole Cidna Mine thing... first actual Foreseorn I'd ever run into. I was wrong. Briarheart murdered me. Respawned and was more careful. Killed a couple of briarhearts and that hagraven. She'd obviously made the briarheart dude. All other camps disappointed me thenceforth.
The Knights of the Nine were a very small faction, similar in size to the Knights of the Throne, and actually smaller than the Knights of the True Horn, both of which were considered minor factions. I think it's safe to assume the Knights of the Nine either re-disbanded or were destroyed.
No faction is called the Nights of the Nine.
@@beepboop9712 in the other games my guy
the real theory is , who shot the guard on the knee?
That's a question, not a theory
Evil Monster Gaming that’s where you’re wrong my friend
umpa lumpa maybe your character in Skyrim shot him in the knee and then fled to try and escape Skyrim and was caught
@@TJLikePiggy and how's that? It wasn't a theory though. It was a question
Taking an “arrow to the knee” is old Norse slang for getting married
Next title "Top 5 Times the Geneva Convention has been broken in Skyrim"
I would be down
I think the letters come from Talos himself. He is known to intervene in times of crisis and maniphesting himself to the great heroes in many forms (Wulf the Legionnaire in Morrowind, the Dragon that Martin Septim turns into in Oblivion). Maybe Talos wanted to make sure the Dragonborn is well-prepared to defeat Alduin?
7:00 in ESO's Markarth expansion, the forsworn we help do in fact worship, or at least honor, several daedric princes including Hircine. So this theory is pretty much confirmed.
The letter from the last theory references a forsworn tribe talking about how they’ve accused the matriarch of sort of softening them, and I’m thinking that this accusatory tribe could have broken away and been lead by what’s-his-face the king in rags.
In the elder scrolls offical book series it is CONFIRMED that the forsworn worship hircene specifically the more beastly elements.
Regarding the "Letter from a Friend" one, the fact that you can get a letter from anywhere, be it Apocrypha, Breezehome, Blackreach, or wherever the hell it is -- that's merely a consequence of the game's radiant engine.
Beyond that, I always assumed it wasn't any particular person, just some random guy in whatever location the player Shouted.
Some guy demonstrated a godly power (Thu'um) in Whiterun or whatever and and it gets the people talking. One person overhears the rumors at the tavern and just so happens to know about a word wall in a nearby tomb. This person then decides to write an anonymous letter to this "Dragonborn" giving him/her a friendly tip.
I'd like to imagine its actually Talos, back in Morrowind, you can actually encounter him in ghostgate before you go to the final showdown, Talos as an old soldier will give you a lucky coin. So I'd imagine Talos sends those letters, from one Dragonborn to another.
It's probably Hermaeus Mora
Kaleb Patterson *installs non essential Nazeem* your powers now longer work here MORTAL
Seriously I have myself god like amounts of heatg
@@privatepessleneck talos in Morrowind was named Wulf..
Skyrim is many many years after Morrowind, but...WULFgar? 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
*Sees Nate has posted a vid*
*Murders notification to death*
"What are you doing?" "Sharpening this sword." "There's a corpse on the grind wheel." "So?"
Gotta keep the grindstone lubricated
"I missed the part where that's my problem"
13:54 I've got a letter that reads "you caused a bit of a stir in the soul cairn when you demonstrated the power of your Thu'um" 😂
Todd Howard is everyone's friend, you know that one who gets way too drunk and pukes in the beer cooler. That guy.
It's simple: Madanach is a front, a distraction. With him imprisoned for so long, no one would have thought to go looking for some other unifying figure among the Forsworn, thereby keeping The Matriarch safe. It wouldn't be the first time a hidden power was manipulating a throne. Heck, it even seem to be happening with that vampire in the court of Solitude.
I had come to assume the friend was THAT THING, one of the most powerful beings in all of Skyrim, the courier. (since they seem to always know your whereabouts)
One time walking through the forest in Falkreath at night I just saw one standing there "nope sorry nothing"
I think the friend writing us those letters is the courier. He seems to check all those boxes for what you said about the friend and his capabilities and skills.
I love your content! It's always consistently good and there's such a relaxing feeling to your voice and I love learning more about Skyrim each time you upload! Great content and videos, keep up the good work!
When you're watching the new lady and the tramp but Nate posts 🏃♂️
Nate: you might not know who Pelinal is...
Me: did you guy's pay Attention to Vigilant? that Mod's got 200k downloads.
Sorry I've been gone for so long Nate, but it's great to be back! Love your videos!
Oh my god you still say murdered to death
I like how he said “malicious bandits” and cuts to a Forsworn running a grinding wheel against some dude’s face.
"They can sense when you shout"
My unlimited shouts character: *Heavily sweating*
i abuse the whirlwind spring shout to go around faster 😂 greybeards must be PISSED
Now that I think about it Skyrim is just a video game version of dungeons and dragons
Interesting
Quin Brown you'll love to find out how early TES encounter systems work
Maybe Madenach is like the Forsworn General whereas the Matriarch is the more political type leader
Your theory makes a lot of sense
That is the complete opposite of what is stated in the missive. The matriarch is the one with the army and despises political scheming.
A sycophant is someone who licks upward and kicks downward to get what they want, politically.
@@Tatwinus It looks like there are actually factions among the Forsworn. One group, mostly located towards the eastern parts of the Reach, following the Matriarch and whose camps generally have a hagraven around somewhere. Another, mostly located towards the western parts, following Madenach with nary a hagraven in sight. This would explain the note despising those who deal with rabble., which is exactly what Madenach and his bunch are doing: making deals with the Silverbloods, who would certainly be considered rabble by any self-respecting Forsworn.
@@Tatwinus
Well maybe madenach is political while the matriach is the general, either way, i think its likely that madenach is sort of like a second in command
How do we know the matriarch is a single person? Maybe a matriarch is like the forsworn version of a chief, and each matriarch mentioned is the chief of a different tribe. I mean, it seems like every major forsworn area has a hagraven at the very end, near some word wall or boss chest, like they are the leader of that place. Maybe those are the matriarchs.
Ah yes the Geneva convention of Skyrim
I received a letter from a friend while I was doing the clockworks mod, I was like to the courier “how did you get here?” and I laughed
My mom thought I was studying weird ancient history, thanks for helping
😂😂😂😂😂😂
When you're so early it says there's 10 comments but doesn't show them
I didn't know it was a mystery who the Matriarch was, I always thought it was the Hagraven at Hag's End. I also just thought of her as a war leader type.
I thought the “old gods” referred to Kyne and her group.
The old nord gods.
I mean, we DO meet the hunter who kept up the traditions and transferred to us the way of how to receive them.
Aress Epelu Froki 👍🏻
Kyne and Shor, and others, are the old NORDIC gods. The Reachmen identify with their Breton ancestors, not the Nords who invaded their land, even if there is some Nord DNA in their bloodlines.
I remember the quest but not where to find it and I have been looking. Where is it?
Logan Goerks It’s somewhere in between Falkreath and Riften, I think.
Up in the mountains. There should be the cabin where old Froki lives.
@@aressepelu9046 Thank you I thought it was somewhere behind Riften.
I can't get over "murdered to death" haha I love these videos!
Lmao that forsworn grinding the guys head 6:18
I frickety frackin love this channel, I'm having a Skyrim phase at the moment and I love all your videos, keep up the good work 👌👌👌👌👏👏👏👏👏👏👍
Glitch Demon oh when you say phase u mean when you get addicted to a game and then a few days later just stop watching any video about it and not being interested anymore
missingindy that is frighteningly true
@@missingindy with me it's more like a month or two, and even afterwards I'll still like the game, I just won't talk about it as much also I kinda regret saying that now because I feel like I'm being judged, and I most likely am, people are just like that
Just say the words .
19:12 when a patriarch goes missing, a matriarch mist take leadership
“Bethesda won’t confirm.......Bethesda won’t say.......Bethesda won’t clarify.....”.....well....they are pretty busy screwing everyone over with Fallout 76 right now.....and that’s pretty exhausting.........sooooo......
THEY TICKLE WICKLE MY TOES TIL MY MOM MON HOLE WAS EMBTY
Bethesda also have a habit of releasing half-baked games with half-assed quests and stories and never going back to finish (or at least flesh out) most of them.
this is a new addition to my spooktober watchlist, thank you again for the well researched videos!
“Their whole deal was dunking on Elves with a superiority complex” is possibly the greatest sentance ever made
oh hey posted 2 minutes ago.
and yes i'm definitely contributing to this comment section.
Thank you for your contribution.
BREATHE IN THE AIR OF THE MEAT GODDENS
“Reads disappeared a few months ago.”
Wilemyr: “His sister Reyda went missing *over a year ago.*”
I always assumed it was a daedra with the l3tters.
They're pretty weird as it is and it took me a long time to stop thinking they were traps and actually follow them.
I have the Skyrim main menu up while I watch this and the music is perfectly in sync, life is good
The courier send the notes. He knows all, he sees all, he sends all
Finally playing Skyrim again after 10 months of moving out of my mom's house... It's a beautiful as I remember.
Why do you upload while I'm at work :(
Your boss will understand!
Get back to work!
I watch at work
Hey you, yes you, you were caught while watching a nate video, damn TH-cam algorithm terminating subscribers out of the blue. We were captured in the comments section.
AHHHHHHHH
I would like to believe that the ebony warrior is sending those letters
I just stumbled upon your channel after what feels like millions of years, ahhh the memories
I’ve been quoting you near daily for all that time too XD
“Murdered to death” and “Elder Scrolls Five Skyrim” being my two most quoted quotes, i dunno, it’s just the way you’ve always said those two sentences XD
I wasn’t allowed to subscribe when I was watching your videos all those years ago so now that i am allowed ima finally do it
Madenac was only a front to let the people of Markarth think that they are at a position of strength having the forsworn “leader” behind bars, but in reality the matriarch is in full control organizing her followers, relaying orders, and planning her take over with the perfect cover in “The King in Rags”.
Man that narfee quest made me sad. Seeing him regress to the childlike state after his sister dying, and him not understanding who what when where why it happened.
"...murdered her to death..."
As opposed to what Nate? Murdered her back to life?
It's a meme you dip
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Addressing the knights of the nine, did anyone else notice that the dawnguards heavy armor looks very similar in structure, but its color matches that exact shade of the flag the warrior on top of the hill holds? And if they would've kept striking new threats that plagued the earth, they may have settled on vampires when they learned their skill? Also, if you pay attention to the dialogue when speaking to Isran, he mentions something about the elves. This supports your theory
The entire Knights of the Nine can totally be summed up by your description. “Dunking on elves with superiority complexes” 😂😂😂
Ooooh you should check out the one theory about the 'Note from a friend' where they come to the conclusion that you are that friend. That you in the future used a shout or something (don't entirely remember it) to send yourself that note because only you can know where you were at that perticular moment in time.