You did a great job. Definitely continue with this man! Personally I prefer the rodecoaster since I own it but I was watching videos on the Zoom just to compare. Lack of noise gate is a big difference for people like me that breath heavier. One thing I wish both the zoom and rodecaster would add is reverb and pitch change affects that you can adjust on the fly similar to the Go XLR. The rodecster will be a perfect unit once they add those in which can be done with a firmware update.
Thanks! Rodecaster is actually getting Reverb. It was in a beta firmware a little while ago but then they removed it due to bugs. I'd assume we'll see it come back out soon. thanks for watching!
@@M.Montgomery I got the rodecaster pro for its ability to handle both cell phone calls via trrs with mix-minus and Bluetooth in addition to USB inputs fwiw~ (also the rcp can output multitrack via memory card or USB FYI
Good stuff Dave - I've long been a fan of the RCP but it was nice to learn more about the Podtrak. One point of clarification - with the recent firmware update to the Rode, you CAN output your audio as separate wave files for each channel. No need to extract from the poly wav.
Thanks Jon. I have the latest firmware (2.1) on the RCP but it still records in Polywave and needs to be "exported" through the companion app in order to have separate tracks. The Zoom has separate tracks immediately stored to the SD card. No export needed. I've found the export process can take a LONG time if the recording is 1-2 hours for instance. Am I missing something here? You mention there's no "extract" but I still need to "export" which is just as time consuming.
@@thedavedillon Ah, that makes more sense. Apologies for the confusion. I have found that if you remove the micro SD card, and put it into you computers SD card reader directly, the app will transfer it much faster. Not ideal, and definitely a check mark in the column for Zoom, but that should help.
Hey guys, I think this can be done on the RCP by doing the following steps: 1) hit the cog wheel/gear icon (upper left corner) 2) tap “advanced” 3) tap “audio” 4) tap “multitrack” 5) tap where it reads “microSD Card”. With this enabled, your channels will be recorded on their respective tracks on the SD card.
@@tyadams8776 You do get multi-track but it's still a single file called a "Polywave" file that needs to be parsed out by the Rode companion software or another DAW. The zoom on the other hand just records in seperate multi-track files by default so its a bit less time consuming after the fact.
I chose the RODECaster Pro. I’ll never need 6 mics, and the 44.1kHz/16 Bit thing...may seem to be a non-issue for some, but...Zoom should have stepped it up. 48kHz/24 Bit is becoming the standard. Now. If you’re just doing a podcast (with no video), go for the Zoom. But, if you plan on doing video...get the Rode. If your doing a solo podcast...get the Zoom Podtrak P-4. I also really like the noise gate when recording three people at the same time. Way less effort during production, because I don’t have to go through and delete person “A” out of person “B’s” track...and so on. I also don’t need to do “Noise Reduction”.
Lots of good points! I will say that the Zoom P8's "noise reduction" works really well at eliminating mic bleed from people in the same room. It's not so much a noise gate but more of an automix. Pretty cool stuff! But yeah, I wish it was 24 bit. Thanks for watching!
Great video. One addition to make is that the ZOOM has all the wire connections coming from the top, which makes it esthetically too busy, and might even be inconvenient. I use the Rodecaster Pro for many reasons. I am sure in time the new software updates on the Rodecaster will get even better, as it has already proven. Keep it coming. Very well done!
Truly awesome review. I've been waffling for a couple weeks on this purchase. Like you not really finding enough info on the features that are important to me. 5 bills is a lot to drop on something you're only marginally sure about. Your no-nonsense approach has me definitely leaning towards the Zoom. Thank you for doing this. Looking forward to more!
You may reduce some of the noise you are hearing on the Rodecaster Pro by setting your Line Gain at the Unity setting marker. The slider you are referring to as a "fader" is the line output gain slider. You have it set at the max level. This is 4 steps above the Unity mark, which designates a flat and even output of gain. If you look four bars down from the top you will see a thicker Dash on the gain slider markings. This thick dash line indicates the Unity gain setting. Pull the slider back to this mark and up your mic level inside the touch screen controls to the output level you want. This should solve the noise issue you are hearing with the preamps. The preamps Rode uses on the Rodecaster Pro are outstanding and should not be giving off any noise; mine are dead silent.
I should have had the slider set to unity woops! The fader controls the mix but the gain is actually set within the settings. If you record pre-fader the sliders don't actually do anything in your final recording. The Pre's on the Rode are nice. But I think the Zoom's pre's are nicer and provide more gain (up to +70db). They sound a little fuller on my voice. Both are great devices though!
I actually went with the Rode and very happy with it overall. I’ve had 4 inputs used and an additional with the Bluetooth making us 5 total. Have to say the Rode is very portable as you mention with a power bank and so blown away. The software updates are good to have and will say though I have the Zoom P4 and comes in clutch for a minimal approach. Great video!
Thank you Sooo much for an honset, sincere and down to earth presentation. No BS or self grandiosement. Such a fresh change. I had only recently purchased the Rode, but very interested to hear your Comments > Keep it simple and sincere. You are on a winner. Cheers
Dave, Nice review. Just wanted to clear up something you may have missed the P8 actually does have a noise gate that is found in the on air settings which works on all mics on the stereo output.
Hey Walter, thanks for watching. The "noise reduction" feature is not a noise gate. It's an auto-mix. Basically if you have multiple mic's plugged in it will reduce the volume on mics that are not in use to try to reduce microphone bleed. This feature does nothing when a single microphone is plugged in like a noise gate would. It does not reduce background noise of your environment. Hope that helps!
Thanks for this video. Good quick explanation. For our use I think the Podtrak will work better for us. I will miss the look. I really like what the Rodecaster looks like but I think for size and power connection...and especially the bottom I think will make a difference with users that don't know too much about audio recording.
The better manual controls over effects, longer faders and the look are the dealbreaker for me towards the Rodecaster. I hate PA -style mixers with the XLRs on the top. They make sense in certain envoirements but not for mine.
I kind of like the XLR on the top because it makes the overall footprint smaller but it's kind of nice how they're out of the way on the Rode. Thanks for watching.
good explanation. I own several of the Rode boards but love the small footprint of the Zoom. I agree that Zoom needs to beef up their audio processing. Maybe some of that could be achieved in firmware update. The noise gate in the Rode is a life saver, especially when recording in a non-studio environment.
I'd love to see some improvements from zoom but I doubt they'll add more features now that it's on the market. Maybe they'll update the hardware down the road. Thanks for watching!
Great job! Today I went to buy the Rodecaster, but ended up leaving with the Zoom PodTrak 8. Based on various videos I've seen, for now, the Zoom has the slight edge, yet both have outstanding capabilities.
Wow, I learned something today! Nice comparison and I think you nailed the first look on TH-cam as well. The Zoom Podtrak is very retro-looking; I have old music mixers and such that would fit in side by side with the Zoom Podtrak circa 1990's. A small point, but the Rodecaster just looks more modern. Thanks for taking the time to do this!
Very nice review and comparison video! Both have very good qualities and features, and both can get the job done whether doing a podcast or your own radio show. Still not sure which one I like the best, but it seems like I would be happy with either based on research I’ve done so far.
Great job reviewing two products that I have been thinking about purchasing. Great overview of the functions. Thank you and I look forward to your next video.
This video is just what I needed. I have a Scarlett focusrite and Zoom h6 but I think I need a proper USB mixer for delivering/streaming remote learning productions, podcasts with call in functionality and occasionally I like to do some music with my iPad Pro. I just learned how to connect my H6 to my iPad instead of using iRig pre. So I used cables with my zoom or Scarlett to record calls but I want the ability to manage a call ins amid a live-session or show. I’m leaning toward Zoom bc of how files export. My Shure + cloudlifter gives me pretty clean signal so, whatever I can do to keep up with the possibilities yet simple for home studio gear.
Thanks Dave. I have the podtrack p4 that I bought for starting a podcast because I didnt want to spend too much. I think I will end up using it when I take my podcast on the road. So, now I need a more durable unit for studio use. The Rode is very nice and frankly, I had not idea the Podtrack P8 even existed, so I greatly appreciate the comparison video. You brought out some very interesting differences between the two, but like you, I remain confused as to which way to go. Just need to think more about everyday uses to make my decision. I enjoyed the video!
Awesome job doing a side by side. The Rodecaster pro sounds better to me, I'm a huge fan of rode though so I'm a bit bias. I have the NTK mic. Currently I'm using a GoXLR which is fine for me since I'm not doing multiple person interviews for podcasting. The noise gate is a must on live streaming, specially with room or ambient noise issues.
I currently use the Rodecaster Pro with a PodMic paired with a sE Dynomite preamp and it's a very solid setup. I've had no issues with noicey preamps and the firmware is constantly improving on the functionality.
Great job. I'm looking at buying one of these and your video was very helpful. Shame about the lack of a noise gate on the P8; I wonder if that can be added later by Zoom in a firmware update the way Rode is constantly adding features with its firmware update. Oh, and I appreciated the shout out to Curtis Judd. He's definitely the gold standard on TH-cam for audio and video gear reviews. 🙂 Thanks again for taking the trouble to help us out.
FWIW, this was the first video I've ever clicked from ya. Excellent, now I just need to save some money. Leaning toward the P8 but only just by a hair. Came down to the file splitting. Time is money.
Great review. I was using a Zoom F4 as my audio interface, because I thought the preamps were superb. I bought the RODEcaster because the controls were perfect for live-streaming and Podcasting. I was very pleased to find out that preamps are also outstanding. Now I can use my ZOOM F4 with my camera as I had originally intended.
DUDE! What are you doing?! MAKE MORE VIDEOS! This was such a great comparison. I'm interested to hear more thoughts from you on other things. ONE OF US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US!
Thanks for the video; I've been doing a video podcast for about a year now using the Rodecaster Pro as our main audio interface; it's great I love the options it offers and with cloud lifters on all our mics it sounds fantastic. Problem is our podcast recently gained a 5th member :( So far I've been using a shotgun mic (Rode VideoMic+) via the TRRS input as a stand-in; but the quality is just nowhere near as good and it shows :( I've been looking for a 6 or 8 XLR input board and was pretty disappointed; but the Zoom really gives me a lot of hope. The main reasons I'm hesistant to switch are: - Lack of a noise gate - no automatic bluetooth (a minor quibble) But the fact that the multichannel output is separate .wav files is a huge plus as well! Ughh... no perfect product I guess :(
Yeah having Mutli-channel output on the Rode is nice. It's also cool that Rode continues to improve the firmware and add features over time. I just wish the Rode pre-amps were a little nicer.
Yeah the "big bottom" effect certainly makes the low end hit a bit better especially with the Podmic because it's kind of lacking the deep tones. Thanks for watching.
I have a similar setup but I don't run the audio into the Atem because there's no way to monitor it. I find over USB-C to be more reliable. How do you work around that? Thanks for watching!
The editing on board is a really cool feature however I can't really think of a situation where I'd prefer to do that than just use my macbook pro. Thanks for watching!
@dave I like both but comparing the way you can adjust and add EQ to your voice makes the Rodecaster pro a better buy but the fact you can take the Zoom podtrak anywhere is a game-changer in my opinion.
Hi Dave, well, You did an excellent job! Many thanks for this video! What I miss is the comparison of the remote control possibility. If I'm right, the Rodecaster can now be controlled remotely. You are using Stream Deck and ATEM; thus, the Companion integration can be a great differentiator. As I read the spec, the Zoom has no motorized faders, while the Rodecaster does. Would like to see your confirmation about this. For me, the key is to integrate the workflow with the ATEM, so what I really look for is a flexible, Bitfocus Companion driven pro mixer, possible with Ethernet interface (as a normal never has PC enough USB ports, and a USB stick to a specific PC)
Thanks! The Rodecaster has been updated with midi support so you can control 3rd party programs like OBS or Ecamm Live by using the sound pads. As far as I'm aware there's no remote control for the Rodecaster other than the companion app for setting up the effects (compression, dessing etc...). The Rodecaster does not have motorized faders. Hope that helps.
@@thedavedillon Thank you, Dave, especially on the fader clarification! I seek info on what and how the Companion can control; this I consider crucial. Stream Deck and the ATEM fit nicely together, and I'd like to extend this with a physical fader keypad - plus, I want to replace the old noisy audio mixer I use. There are many actions when the Video and the Audio sources have to change simultaneously, and Companion is an excellent tool for that. I'm interested in integrating your RDP with the Stream Deck and sharing your experience.
I wish these had a couple line ins for guitar so it could also be used for music. Currently using an L-8, but it's sort of a compromise for everything. I also have a Audient id14 which is better for narration and music, and so I'm thinking of trading the L-8 for the P8 and then just switching interfaces depending on what I'm doing. It's a but of a pain but at least everything will work well for its use.
Excellent explainer/comparison, many thanks Dave! Quick cheeky question: Can I ask what lens you use on your camera?? Your backdrop studio/setting & framing is A1👌
Thanks! In this video I was using the Sony A7SIII with a Tamron 17-28mm f2.8 at 17mm. I wanted to include some of the desk so you could see the mixers and stuff. Typically though I use a Sigma 24mm f1.4 ART lens because I like the background blurred a bit more with shallower depth of field. Hope that helps!
Awesome Video Bro. The P8 Hopefully comes out with a software update for that multitrack live feature. The first company that comes out with 6 channels of full-time dedicated microphone audio with individual headphone monitoring and additional dedicated 2 channels for phone calls and 1 for the pad channel Wins. Then you can do a podcast with 2 Hosts and four guests which in today's climate is very likely.
I'm not sure how frequently Zoom releases firmware updates and I'm not sure if they have a great track record of adding features after a release but it would certainly be nice to see them polish it up a bit!
Video really helped! I use Rode gear, but love the Zoom stuff way better.. I don't think anyone could go wrong either way, but ease of use with file types & management wins for me. Everything was perfect until you said it records USB stereo only.. I run a Motu M4 on the editing computer, but was hoping the new board would add extra tracks, (thats if i ever needed). I think recording separate to a card will work just fine.. Since technically not going to run live. Like I said... Video really helped go through the actual use of it instead of specs. This is all new to me. Thank You!
Excellent video! The Rodecaster Pro has really a bad pre-amp for the output, this hiss noise is very annoying for livestreaming. How are you dealing with it? I improved it a bit by using a Fedhead so my micro needs less gain but I still can hear it what makes me feel uncomfortable using the device.
The Pre amps aren't bad if you use something like a PodMic like I am in this video. I think I had the gain set around +40db and the hiss was relatively minor. With something like an SM7B I use a cloud lifter and that helps a lot. The Zoom provides enough gain out of the box which is great.
Hi. My friend and I are planning to start recording podcasts together, but we can't agree on whether the quality difference between expensive and affordable microphones is really necessary. I suggest buying at least an RE20 or an SM7B, while my friend prefers microphones in the Podmic price range. Do you think the difference between these two microphones would be noticeable for listeners? Do you think we should go all out and choose established, high-end products, or would more budget-friendly microphones suffice? Thank you for your recommendations. Please help me, I've been sleepless for four days, researching only this topic. I admit that I am overly obsessed, but I want to do my job properly and cleanly. I am very talkative and warm-hearted, never hesitant to laugh, and I usually laugh a lot. I used to do Twitch streaming before, so I have knowledge about how to gain viewers. Now, I want to sleep, please tell me which microphone and sound card I should get.
am sure with firmware update zoom can try to make those effect more useable and personalize, the rode was like that before , you only have option to chose preset later with firmware update users are able to dial in to fit their needs. I hope zoom can make that happen in their update else ill pay hundred more to have rode with but quality and better effects, like me I really don't need multitrack , just stereo out and good to go. but with zoom I can add those effects in post for now.
Curious to see if Zoom updates the firmware. I don't think they have a great track record of adding features after a release. Meanwhile the Rodecaster has received multiple updates over the past couple of years. Hopefully Zoom adds some sort of noise gate, that would make it a much closer competition.
Are you 100% sure that the P8 is not a multitrack interface? Even the the H4n and H6n are multitrack when used as an interface. You just have to make sure you have the right drivers for your computer.
Hey Dave, very nice review! Looking forward to more detailed comparisons. Quick questions. Did you use a cloud lifter or something like that? How much level of gain was it in your rodecaster pro for you podmic? Thanks!
Good video, here is my thing. Good lord as soon as you thaught you had all you needed to get going here is another peace of the puzzle. My God the money these people make off the gear is bannanas. I know cause I have been spending and spending and still spending. It is never ending with the gear. I think the Zoom wins. Size, Portability and like you said you can record to the disk and its about 100 cheaper. I do alot of traveling and created a talk show called, "Inspire Me TV!" I am by myself, not living with parents or relitives and buying the gear has taken over a year and cost means everything to me. I actually started with a 60 dollar chinese made one that has sounds and all. I will upgrade to the Zoom. The extra 100 bucks to me is not worth it.
I want to set up a recording studio that has the capability of recording for music and podcasts, and I know exactly nothing about any of this stuff. Does this equipment accommodate the requirements for both? What's different about mixers that are designed specifically for podcasts compared to those intended for music production?
The podcast style recorders just have a lot of useful features for podcasting like built in sound pads, talkback, and effects for vocals. Most of the standard recorders are designed for music production and lack some of these features.
It does have a 1/4" stereo out you could adapt to 3.5mm in on the Atem... but I wouldn't bother. The Atem mic inputs are a pain because there's no way to monitor it. The better option is to just plug the Zoom P8 into a computer over USB-C and use it as an audio interface alongside the Atem in something like OBS or Ecamm. Hope that helps!
Great comparison. Lots of detail. Hit everything nice and quick. (could slow down just a small bit to help clarity) What's the awesome camera you're using? Looks GREAT!
Hey Eric! Thanks. I shoot with a Sony A7SIII and a Sony FX3 usually with a 24mm f1.4 lens or in this video the 17-28 f2.8 Tamron. The overhead camera is a Sony ZV1. You can check out my main channel for more examples of this setup: th-cam.com/users/chasethesummit
Really interesting comparison. Thanks for doing that. I'm interested in the live streaming/ live output, do either of the devices have automatic mic channel muting for studio monitors, or any kind of on-air indicator function?
Dave! Thanks for the comparison. I like the sound of the rodecaster better. The one thing you didn’t talk about which has me curious is the make of these models. Is the rodecaster made better than the zoom podtrak p8. I read that the zoom is all plastic where the rodecaster isn’t? Also, which one do you recommend.
Yeah the zoom is mainly plastic. I think the top panel is aluminum. The knobs/faders feel really solid though. I prefer the feel of the faders on the zoom. The Rodecaster is all metal and much heavier.
Dave thank you. Also, do you feel the rodecaster and zoom sound the same or different. Also, which one do you like more and would purchase at this time.
@@kevinwolfe376 I think the zoom sounds a little nicer as a whole and is a lot less frustrating to deal with since the files are straight forward. However the effects on the Rodecaster are much more powerful and having the noise gate is huge for live stuff. Kind of a toss up! Hope that helps.
David thanks for all the insight. I gather you own both units? Does the zoom offer the same affects are the rodecaster pro or no. Also, can you do another review using other microphones to get a better sense. Would love to see a few more videos on this. I’m torn
@@kevinwolfe376 unfortunately no. That’s the weaker spot of the zoom. It offers a basic limiter, low cut, compressed/deesser, and tone controls for “treble/bass” on a slider. There’s no noise gate which is a bog bummer and a big reason why the Rodecaster is a better tool for live streams
Thousands of people have older computers, (just like me), and would like to know, if say...a "2014 Mac Book Pro", could be used to work with these units, with a USB C to thunderbolt 2 cable, [via TB3 to TB2 adapter]
Dave - nice job! I was wondering whether the noise you are hearing is the Rodecaster’s headphone amp which in my experience can be a little noisy. I don’t hear noise in the mix, but often do hear some noise on headphones.
The pre-amps are just a bit hissier on the Rode because it provides less gain. The Zoom can crank up to +70db of gain so I only need to set it to 50-55% to drive the podmics while the Rode needs to be closer to 75%. Both are great options though!
Great video!! Thank you. May I ask which you'll be putting together with your atem mini going forward? Imagine the RCP may stick longterm there, but wanted to hear your thoughts. Appreciate it!
Yeah I ended up sticking with the RCP. The effects are just super handy for live stuff and I picked up the $20 USB power adapter to make it self contained with a 15000MAH battery pack. You can see it in action here: th-cam.com/video/WFWV8_BG6o4/w-d-xo.html
Rodecaster Pro does not have all the features that Zoom P8. Plus point of P8 is its recorder; believe it. With Rodecaster Pro, you will find some difficulties in post production processing.
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You did a great job. Definitely continue with this man! Personally I prefer the rodecoaster since I own it but I was watching videos on the Zoom just to compare. Lack of noise gate is a big difference for people like me that breath heavier. One thing I wish both the zoom and rodecaster would add is reverb and pitch change affects that you can adjust on the fly similar to the Go XLR. The rodecster will be a perfect unit once they add those in which can be done with a firmware update.
Thanks! Rodecaster is actually getting Reverb. It was in a beta firmware a little while ago but then they removed it due to bugs. I'd assume we'll see it come back out soon. thanks for watching!
I compared both and went with the Rodecaster Pro and love it.
The Rodecaster is so fun compared to the Zoom stuff, the Zoom's "Goodbye, See You Again" notwithstanding.
@@M.Montgomery I got the rodecaster pro for its ability to handle both cell phone calls via trrs with mix-minus and Bluetooth in addition to USB inputs fwiw~ (also the rcp can output multitrack via memory card or USB FYI
Nice!
Recorded file accessing is not as easy as P8, and P8 has cleaner and lossless recording, no colouration at all.
Good stuff Dave - I've long been a fan of the RCP but it was nice to learn more about the Podtrak. One point of clarification - with the recent firmware update to the Rode, you CAN output your audio as separate wave files for each channel. No need to extract from the poly wav.
Thanks Jon. I have the latest firmware (2.1) on the RCP but it still records in Polywave and needs to be "exported" through the companion app in order to have separate tracks. The Zoom has separate tracks immediately stored to the SD card. No export needed. I've found the export process can take a LONG time if the recording is 1-2 hours for instance. Am I missing something here? You mention there's no "extract" but I still need to "export" which is just as time consuming.
@@thedavedillon Ah, that makes more sense. Apologies for the confusion. I have found that if you remove the micro SD card, and put it into you computers SD card reader directly, the app will transfer it much faster. Not ideal, and definitely a check mark in the column for Zoom, but that should help.
Hey guys, I think this can be done on the RCP by doing the following steps: 1) hit the cog wheel/gear icon (upper left corner) 2) tap “advanced” 3) tap “audio” 4) tap “multitrack” 5) tap where it reads “microSD Card”. With this enabled, your channels will be recorded on their respective tracks on the SD card.
@@tyadams8776 You do get multi-track but it's still a single file called a "Polywave" file that needs to be parsed out by the Rode companion software or another DAW. The zoom on the other hand just records in seperate multi-track files by default so its a bit less time consuming after the fact.
@@thedavedillon ah, gotcha!
I love how you're able to demo the blackmagic switcher as well. Thanks for the informative demo.
Thanks!
I chose the RODECaster Pro. I’ll never need 6 mics, and the 44.1kHz/16 Bit thing...may seem to be a non-issue for some, but...Zoom should have stepped it up. 48kHz/24 Bit is becoming the standard. Now. If you’re just doing a podcast (with no video), go for the Zoom. But, if you plan on doing video...get the Rode. If your doing a solo podcast...get the Zoom Podtrak P-4.
I also really like the noise gate when recording three people at the same time. Way less effort during production, because I don’t have to go through and delete person “A” out of person “B’s” track...and so on. I also don’t need to do “Noise Reduction”.
Lots of good points! I will say that the Zoom P8's "noise reduction" works really well at eliminating mic bleed from people in the same room. It's not so much a noise gate but more of an automix. Pretty cool stuff! But yeah, I wish it was 24 bit. Thanks for watching!
Great video. One addition to make is that the ZOOM has all the wire connections coming from the top, which makes it esthetically too busy, and might even be inconvenient. I use the Rodecaster Pro for many reasons. I am sure in time the new software updates on the Rodecaster will get even better, as it has already proven. Keep it coming. Very well done!
Truly awesome review. I've been waffling for a couple weeks on this purchase. Like you not really finding enough info on the features that are important to me. 5 bills is a lot to drop on something you're only marginally sure about. Your no-nonsense approach has me definitely leaning towards the Zoom. Thank you for doing this. Looking forward to more!
Nice! Enjoy!
You may reduce some of the noise you are hearing on the Rodecaster Pro by setting your Line Gain at the Unity setting marker. The slider you are referring to as a "fader" is the line output gain slider. You have it set at the max level. This is 4 steps above the Unity mark, which designates a flat and even output of gain. If you look four bars down from the top you will see a thicker Dash on the gain slider markings. This thick dash line indicates the Unity gain setting. Pull the slider back to this mark and up your mic level inside the touch screen controls to the output level you want. This should solve the noise issue you are hearing with the preamps. The preamps Rode uses on the Rodecaster Pro are outstanding and should not be giving off any noise; mine are dead silent.
I should have had the slider set to unity woops! The fader controls the mix but the gain is actually set within the settings. If you record pre-fader the sliders don't actually do anything in your final recording. The Pre's on the Rode are nice. But I think the Zoom's pre's are nicer and provide more gain (up to +70db). They sound a little fuller on my voice. Both are great devices though!
We went with the Zoom P8. It has worked out great
@And Another Thing, with Dave yes... the phone and iPad. I use it with switcher studio app. It works great.
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I’m sold...Going with the Zoom 😊 great review!
I actually went with the Rode and very happy with it overall. I’ve had 4 inputs used and an additional with the Bluetooth making us 5 total. Have to say the Rode is very portable as you mention with a power bank and so blown away. The software updates are good to have and will say though I have the Zoom P4 and comes in clutch for a minimal approach. Great video!
Nice! I also have a P4 that's handy to keep in my camera bag.
Thank you Sooo much for an honset, sincere and down to earth presentation. No BS or self grandiosement. Such a fresh change. I had only recently purchased the Rode, but very interested to hear your Comments > Keep it simple and sincere. You are on a winner. Cheers
Thanks!
Dave, Nice review. Just wanted to clear up something you may have missed the P8 actually does have a noise gate that is found in the on air settings which works on all mics on the stereo output.
Hey Walter, thanks for watching. The "noise reduction" feature is not a noise gate. It's an auto-mix. Basically if you have multiple mic's plugged in it will reduce the volume on mics that are not in use to try to reduce microphone bleed. This feature does nothing when a single microphone is plugged in like a noise gate would. It does not reduce background noise of your environment. Hope that helps!
Thanks for this video. Good quick explanation. For our use I think the Podtrak will work better for us. I will miss the look. I really like what the Rodecaster looks like but I think for size and power connection...and especially the bottom I think will make a difference with users that don't know too much about audio recording.
The better manual controls over effects, longer faders and the look are the dealbreaker for me towards the Rodecaster.
I hate PA -style mixers with the XLRs on the top.
They make sense in certain envoirements but not for mine.
I kind of like the XLR on the top because it makes the overall footprint smaller but it's kind of nice how they're out of the way on the Rode. Thanks for watching.
good explanation. I own several of the Rode boards but love the small footprint of the Zoom. I agree that Zoom needs to beef up their audio processing. Maybe some of that could be achieved in firmware update. The noise gate in the Rode is a life saver, especially when recording in a non-studio environment.
I'd love to see some improvements from zoom but I doubt they'll add more features now that it's on the market. Maybe they'll update the hardware down the road. Thanks for watching!
Great job! Today I went to buy the Rodecaster, but ended up leaving with the Zoom PodTrak 8. Based on various videos I've seen, for now, the Zoom has the slight edge, yet both have outstanding capabilities.
Thanks! Sounds like the Zoom was a good choice!
Wow, I learned something today! Nice comparison and I think you nailed the first look on TH-cam as well. The Zoom Podtrak is very retro-looking; I have old music mixers and such that would fit in side by side with the Zoom Podtrak circa 1990's. A small point, but the Rodecaster just looks more modern. Thanks for taking the time to do this!
The USB loopback on the Rode Caster Pro is very impressive. If you do podcasts with guests on Zoom, It sounds more crisp on the RCP vs the P8.
Very nice review and comparison video! Both have very good qualities and features, and both can get the job done whether doing a podcast or your own radio show. Still not sure which one I like the best, but it seems like I would be happy with either based on research I’ve done so far.
Great job reviewing two products that I have been thinking about purchasing. Great overview of the functions. Thank you and I look forward to your next video.
Thanks for watching!
This video is just what I needed. I have a Scarlett focusrite and Zoom h6 but I think I need a proper USB mixer for delivering/streaming remote learning productions, podcasts with call in functionality and occasionally I like to do some music with my iPad Pro. I just learned how to connect my H6 to my iPad instead of using iRig pre. So I used cables with my zoom or Scarlett to record calls but I want the ability to manage a call ins amid a live-session or show. I’m leaning toward Zoom bc of how files export. My Shure + cloudlifter gives me pretty clean signal so, whatever I can do to keep up with the possibilities yet simple for home studio gear.
Glad it was helpful!
Appreciate the review! I’d watch more. We’re currently debating over which one to buy!
Thanks!
I’m debating with myself too :-) Hiss noise is not oke, but I dont’t know yet, which did you buy?
Thanks Dave. I have the podtrack p4 that I bought for starting a podcast because I didnt want to spend too much. I think I will end up using it when I take my podcast on the road. So, now I need a more durable unit for studio use. The Rode is very nice and frankly, I had not idea the Podtrack P8 even existed, so I greatly appreciate the comparison video. You brought out some very interesting differences between the two, but like you, I remain confused as to which way to go. Just need to think more about everyday uses to make my decision. I enjoyed the video!
Awesome job doing a side by side. The Rodecaster pro sounds better to me, I'm a huge fan of rode though so I'm a bit bias. I have the NTK mic. Currently I'm using a GoXLR which is fine for me since I'm not doing multiple person interviews for podcasting. The noise gate is a must on live streaming, specially with room or ambient noise issues.
Thanks! I've found using Audio Hijack on my mac to be a better option than the on-board noise gate. But the built in one is nice in a pinch!
I currently use the Rodecaster Pro with a PodMic paired with a sE Dynomite preamp and it's a very solid setup. I've had no issues with noicey preamps and the firmware is constantly improving on the functionality.
Nice setup!
Great job. I'm looking at buying one of these and your video was very helpful. Shame about the lack of a noise gate on the P8; I wonder if that can be added later by Zoom in a firmware update the way Rode is constantly adding features with its firmware update. Oh, and I appreciated the shout out to Curtis Judd. He's definitely the gold standard on TH-cam for audio and video gear reviews. 🙂 Thanks again for taking the trouble to help us out.
Glad you found it helpful!
I wish your subs were just the same at the views on this video. This was super awesome Dave! I have a RCP and I love it!
Thanks Dean! I suppose I should post more often to this channel! I'm so occupied with my other channel. 😂
@@thedavedillon ohh you have another channel? Money man! 😃
great insight brother, I am leaning more towards the Zoom p8
FWIW, this was the first video I've ever clicked from ya. Excellent, now I just need to save some money. Leaning toward the P8 but only just by a hair. Came down to the file splitting. Time is money.
Thanks! I think this the first video I've actually posted on this channel haha. Which did you end up getting?
@@thedavedillon Saving my money for the P8 still
Great! Confused about these two fine crafts! THX a lot.
Happy to help!
Great review. I was using a Zoom F4 as my audio interface, because I thought the preamps were superb. I bought the RODEcaster because the controls were perfect for live-streaming and Podcasting. I was very pleased to find out that preamps are also outstanding. Now I can use my ZOOM F4 with my camera as I had originally intended.
Nice! Thats a great combo I think I'll end up with eventually.
Curtis Judd did his review of the Zoom PodTrak P8 a week ago but thanks for this review, I was going to buy the Rodecaster but now I'm conflicted.
I saw it! Great review.
DUDE! What are you doing?! MAKE MORE VIDEOS! This was such a great comparison. I'm interested to hear more thoughts from you on other things. ONE OF US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US!
Haha thanks! I publish 3-4 videos a week on my main channel (chase the summit) but I’ll work more on posting here too. Thanks for watching!
Awesome review. Just got the rcp with sm7b bundle. Can't wait to start podding
Nice setup!
Good job! I was looking for this content 😁. I think I prefer the zoom over the Rode mixer. Thanks!
Nice!
Great job with this comparison and review.
Thanks for the video; I've been doing a video podcast for about a year now using the Rodecaster Pro as our main audio interface; it's great I love the options it offers and with cloud lifters on all our mics it sounds fantastic.
Problem is our podcast recently gained a 5th member :(
So far I've been using a shotgun mic (Rode VideoMic+) via the TRRS input as a stand-in; but the quality is just nowhere near as good and it shows :( I've been looking for a 6 or 8 XLR input board and was pretty disappointed; but the Zoom really gives me a lot of hope. The main reasons I'm hesistant to switch are:
- Lack of a noise gate
- no automatic bluetooth (a minor quibble)
But the fact that the multichannel output is separate .wav files is a huge plus as well!
Ughh... no perfect product I guess :(
Yeah having Mutli-channel output on the Rode is nice. It's also cool that Rode continues to improve the firmware and add features over time. I just wish the Rode pre-amps were a little nicer.
@@thedavedillon Yes; hence why I bought 2 of the double-input cloudlifters for our dynamic mics.
From watching the video, it looks like the Rodecaster Pro has a lot more umf to it and a better low end. Great video
Yeah the "big bottom" effect certainly makes the low end hit a bit better especially with the Podmic because it's kind of lacking the deep tones. Thanks for watching.
Thanks! This helped us a lot to finally choose between these two.
very useful! I personally prefer zoom p4 which is enough for me
Nice! I actually have the P4 as well. Probably the best value!
Hi Dave I have the Rodecaster Pro hooked into my Atem mini & computer works great thanks for the rundown on the two CHEERS MATE
I have a similar setup but I don't run the audio into the Atem because there's no way to monitor it. I find over USB-C to be more reliable. How do you work around that? Thanks for watching!
What I do like about the P8 is that you can do some basic editing on the board before exporting. That would come in handy in my case
The editing on board is a really cool feature however I can't really think of a situation where I'd prefer to do that than just use my macbook pro. Thanks for watching!
@dave I like both but comparing the way you can adjust and add EQ to your voice makes the Rodecaster pro a better buy but the fact you can take the Zoom podtrak anywhere is a game-changer in my opinion.
Yeah the P8 is a bit more portable but if you buy the USB accessory for the rodecaster it makes that pretty portable as well!
@@thedavedillon thanks. I have podcast but I also do video work that the rodecaster would be useful for me.
Thanks Dave this helped a lot. Your time is appreciated.
Glad it helped!
Dave, can you please do a video on your whole livestream setup; including the Rodecaster Pro. Would be of great help!!!
Not a bad idea! If I can find some time away from my other channel I'll do that.
Yes I would love it if you could do this Dave. Thanks
I really enjoyed this video dude, thanks for sharing, plus I really like your studio setup, cheers from Mexico!!
Hi Dave, well, You did an excellent job! Many thanks for this video! What I miss is the comparison of the remote control possibility. If I'm right, the Rodecaster can now be controlled remotely. You are using Stream Deck and ATEM; thus, the Companion integration can be a great differentiator. As I read the spec, the Zoom has no motorized faders, while the Rodecaster does. Would like to see your confirmation about this.
For me, the key is to integrate the workflow with the ATEM, so what I really look for is a flexible, Bitfocus Companion driven pro mixer, possible with Ethernet interface (as a normal never has PC enough USB ports, and a USB stick to a specific PC)
Thanks! The Rodecaster has been updated with midi support so you can control 3rd party programs like OBS or Ecamm Live by using the sound pads. As far as I'm aware there's no remote control for the Rodecaster other than the companion app for setting up the effects (compression, dessing etc...). The Rodecaster does not have motorized faders. Hope that helps.
@@thedavedillon Thank you, Dave, especially on the fader clarification! I seek info on what and how the Companion can control; this I consider crucial. Stream Deck and the ATEM fit nicely together, and I'd like to extend this with a physical fader keypad - plus, I want to replace the old noisy audio mixer I use. There are many actions when the Video and the Audio sources have to change simultaneously, and Companion is an excellent tool for that. I'm interested in integrating your RDP with the Stream Deck and sharing your experience.
I wish these had a couple line ins for guitar so it could also be used for music. Currently using an L-8, but it's sort of a compromise for everything. I also have a Audient id14 which is better for narration and music, and so I'm thinking of trading the L-8 for the P8 and then just switching interfaces depending on what I'm doing. It's a but of a pain but at least everything will work well for its use.
That would be nice. The new Tascam Mixcast has combo jacks for instruments! Might be worth looking at.
Excellent explainer/comparison, many thanks Dave! Quick cheeky question: Can I ask what lens you use on your camera?? Your backdrop studio/setting & framing is A1👌
Thanks! In this video I was using the Sony A7SIII with a Tamron 17-28mm f2.8 at 17mm. I wanted to include some of the desk so you could see the mixers and stuff. Typically though I use a Sigma 24mm f1.4 ART lens because I like the background blurred a bit more with shallower depth of field. Hope that helps!
When talking about faders the standard throw is 100mm
Oh interesting. Thanks for sharing!
Seu conteúdo é incrível. Me ajudou a decidir qual equipamento vou comprar. Abraços do Brasil!
Awesome Video Bro.
The P8 Hopefully comes out with a software update for that multitrack live feature.
The first company that comes out with 6 channels of full-time dedicated microphone audio with individual headphone monitoring and additional dedicated 2 channels for phone calls and 1 for the pad channel Wins.
Then you can do a podcast with 2 Hosts and four guests which in today's climate is very likely.
I'm not sure how frequently Zoom releases firmware updates and I'm not sure if they have a great track record of adding features after a release but it would certainly be nice to see them polish it up a bit!
Video really helped! I use Rode gear, but love the Zoom stuff way better.. I don't think anyone could go wrong either way, but ease of use with file types & management wins for me. Everything was perfect until you said it records USB stereo only.. I run a Motu M4 on the editing computer, but was hoping the new board would add extra tracks, (thats if i ever needed). I think recording separate to a card will work just fine.. Since technically not going to run live. Like I said... Video really helped go through the actual use of it instead of specs. This is all new to me. Thank You!
Glad it helped!
Thanks man! Subbed. This is amazing!
Great job. Loved the perspectives. Do more!
Thank you for the information. It really helpful.
Glad it was helpful!
i personally think the rode is better. better fx, bluetooth, looks nicer, i havent tested it yet but im sure the preamps are better.
Excellent video! The Rodecaster Pro has really a bad pre-amp for the output, this hiss noise is very annoying for livestreaming. How are you dealing with it?
I improved it a bit by using a Fedhead so my micro needs less gain but I still can hear it what makes me feel uncomfortable using the device.
I saw a video talking about this. And i have RCP and it’s just in the headphone cose the final product it’s really clean !
The Pre amps aren't bad if you use something like a PodMic like I am in this video. I think I had the gain set around +40db and the hiss was relatively minor. With something like an SM7B I use a cloud lifter and that helps a lot. The Zoom provides enough gain out of the box which is great.
Hi. My friend and I are planning to start recording podcasts together, but we can't agree on whether the quality difference between expensive and affordable microphones is really necessary. I suggest buying at least an RE20 or an SM7B, while my friend prefers microphones in the Podmic price range. Do you think the difference between these two microphones would be noticeable for listeners? Do you think we should go all out and choose established, high-end products, or would more budget-friendly microphones suffice? Thank you for your recommendations. Please help me, I've been sleepless for four days, researching only this topic. I admit that I am overly obsessed, but I want to do my job properly and cleanly. I am very talkative and warm-hearted, never hesitant to laugh, and I usually laugh a lot. I used to do Twitch streaming before, so I have knowledge about how to gain viewers. Now, I want to sleep, please tell me which microphone and sound card I should get.
Can you show how you changed the colors on the P8 pads or tell us plz 😊
Great comparison, thanks for taking the time and effort
Thanks for watching!
am sure with firmware update zoom can try to make those effect more useable and personalize, the rode was like that before , you only have option to chose preset later with firmware update users are able to dial in to fit their needs. I hope zoom can make that happen in their update else ill pay hundred more to have rode with but quality and better effects, like me I really don't need multitrack , just stereo out and good to go. but with zoom I can add those effects in post for now.
Curious to see if Zoom updates the firmware. I don't think they have a great track record of adding features after a release. Meanwhile the Rodecaster has received multiple updates over the past couple of years. Hopefully Zoom adds some sort of noise gate, that would make it a much closer competition.
Amazing video, very informative, you should continue doing videos like these.
Thanks!
Like your video and it helped to confirm I like the Rodeaster Pro. And yeah, you should do more videos like this.
Thanks!
Are you 100% sure that the P8 is not a multitrack interface? Even the the H4n and H6n are multitrack when used as an interface. You just have to make sure you have the right drivers for your computer.
At the time of filming this the P8 only worked as a stereo interface. I'm not sure if that's changed since then.
Great job. Thanks for the comparison.
Thanks for watching!
Nailed it Dave! Thx 🙏🏽
Thanks Kevin!
Hey thank you so much for this video!
You are so welcome!
Hey Dave, very nice review! Looking forward to more detailed comparisons. Quick questions. Did you use a cloud lifter or something like that? How much level of gain was it in your rodecaster pro for you podmic? Thanks!
No cloudlifter in this video. Gain was set to 45 on the Rodecaster and around 75% of the slider on the Zoom P8 (it doesn’t show numbers)
thanks I needed that. great job do more like this
Thanks, will do!
Great comparison. Would it be possible to output the sound live to speakers so your podcast can happen in front of an audience?
Good video, here is my thing. Good lord as soon as you thaught you had all you needed to get going here is another peace of the puzzle. My God the money these people make off the gear is bannanas. I know cause I have been spending and spending and still spending. It is never ending with the gear. I think the Zoom wins. Size, Portability and like you said you can record to the disk and its about 100 cheaper. I do alot of traveling and created a talk show called, "Inspire Me TV!" I am by myself, not living with parents or relitives and buying the gear has taken over a year and cost means everything to me. I actually started with a 60 dollar chinese made one that has sounds and all. I will upgrade to the Zoom. The extra 100 bucks to me is not worth it.
I'm excited about the new tascam mixcaster 4!
Looks really cool!
Nice and clear video Dave, thx for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it
A very useful video. Zoom's product is pretty good but I will stick with the RCP
Good choice!
I want to set up a recording studio that has the capability of recording for music and podcasts, and I know exactly nothing about any of this stuff. Does this equipment accommodate the requirements for both? What's different about mixers that are designed specifically for podcasts compared to those intended for music production?
The podcast style recorders just have a lot of useful features for podcasting like built in sound pads, talkback, and effects for vocals. Most of the standard recorders are designed for music production and lack some of these features.
Definitely helping me make a decision
Glad it could help!
Gday Dave do you have a video how to use and setup the Atem mini?
Thanks nice review,which one are you getting
Straight up I see the inputs on the Zoom are located on the RHS of top panel and I see the cables will be in the way -- what a pain.
It's not too bad but yeah, having them in the back is a bit cleaner.
Thanks for this video ! What about connecting the Podtrak to the ATEM Mini... I don't see any stereo out on it.. ??
It does have a 1/4" stereo out you could adapt to 3.5mm in on the Atem... but I wouldn't bother. The Atem mic inputs are a pain because there's no way to monitor it. The better option is to just plug the Zoom P8 into a computer over USB-C and use it as an audio interface alongside the Atem in something like OBS or Ecamm. Hope that helps!
that was great to it for us now we can make right decision keep it up man
Thanks!
This video is freaking awesome! Great review!!!!
Thanks!
If you prefer the zoom, why not throw a dbx box in front for your noise gate?
I've been using LoopBack and Audio Hijack on my macbook to apply a noise gate + compression in real time for live streams.
Great comparison. Lots of detail. Hit everything nice and quick. (could slow down just a small bit to help clarity) What's the awesome camera you're using? Looks GREAT!
Hey Eric! Thanks. I shoot with a Sony A7SIII and a Sony FX3 usually with a 24mm f1.4 lens or in this video the 17-28 f2.8 Tamron. The overhead camera is a Sony ZV1. You can check out my main channel for more examples of this setup: th-cam.com/users/chasethesummit
@@thedavedillon Looks great! I figured it was something like that. Do you let each camera do the recording to SD card? Or use them in Webcam mode?
Really interesting comparison. Thanks for doing that. I'm interested in the live streaming/ live output, do either of the devices have automatic mic channel muting for studio monitors, or any kind of on-air indicator function?
Thanks for watching! I don't think they have an auto-mute function but I could be wrong.
Dave! Thanks for the comparison. I like the sound of the rodecaster better. The one thing you didn’t talk about which has me curious is the make of these models. Is the rodecaster made better than the zoom podtrak p8. I read that the zoom is all plastic where the rodecaster isn’t? Also, which one do you recommend.
Yeah the zoom is mainly plastic. I think the top panel is aluminum. The knobs/faders feel really solid though. I prefer the feel of the faders on the zoom. The Rodecaster is all metal and much heavier.
Dave thank you. Also, do you feel the rodecaster and zoom sound the same or different. Also, which one do you like more and would purchase at this time.
@@kevinwolfe376 I think the zoom sounds a little nicer as a whole and is a lot less frustrating to deal with since the files are straight forward. However the effects on the Rodecaster are much more powerful and having the noise gate is huge for live stuff. Kind of a toss up! Hope that helps.
David thanks for all the insight. I gather you own both units? Does the zoom offer the same affects are the rodecaster pro or no. Also, can you do another review using other microphones to get a better sense. Would love to see a few more videos on this. I’m torn
@@kevinwolfe376 unfortunately no. That’s the weaker spot of the zoom. It offers a basic limiter, low cut, compressed/deesser, and tone controls for “treble/bass” on a slider. There’s no noise gate which is a bog bummer and a big reason why the Rodecaster is a better tool for live streams
Does the Podtrack have line out and does it have headphone to listen to all input at once
Thousands of people have older computers, (just like me),
and would like to know, if say...a "2014 Mac Book Pro", could be
used to work with these units, with a USB C to thunderbolt 2 cable,
[via TB3 to TB2 adapter]
I don't see why not. These both operate on USB 2.0 so it's actually an older bus but they used USB-C connectors. Using an adapter should work fine.
My first battle was rode vs goxlr, rode won
Now it's rode vs zoom, I think zoom would be more beneficial in the long run
I like that Rode continues to improve the software but the Zoom P8 is pretty sweet!
Dave - nice job! I was wondering whether the noise you are hearing is the Rodecaster’s headphone amp which in my experience can be a little noisy. I don’t hear noise in the mix, but often do hear some noise on headphones.
The pre-amps are just a bit hissier on the Rode because it provides less gain. The Zoom can crank up to +70db of gain so I only need to set it to 50-55% to drive the podmics while the Rode needs to be closer to 75%. Both are great options though!
Great video!! Thank you. May I ask which you'll be putting together with your atem mini going forward? Imagine the RCP may stick longterm there, but wanted to hear your thoughts. Appreciate it!
Yeah I ended up sticking with the RCP. The effects are just super handy for live stuff and I picked up the $20 USB power adapter to make it self contained with a 15000MAH battery pack. You can see it in action here: th-cam.com/video/WFWV8_BG6o4/w-d-xo.html
thanks
Great review!!!
Thanks!
Rodecaster Pro does not have all the features that Zoom P8. Plus point of P8 is its recorder; believe it. With Rodecaster Pro, you will find some difficulties in post production processing.
What difficulties?
Super helpful
Which one better with multitrack recordings? And which one better on doin live stream with phone?... To be specific Clubhouse. Tq
They both will do the job. You'll need the additional BT adapter for the zoom if you want to use clubhouse without a wire in the way.
Great review man. Thanks.
Thanks for watching!
Thank you!!
You're welcome!