@@s2krookiemy buddy has a ac-dc converter and 3d printed an adapter for the shop n his chop saw. They “engineered” it without that capability to suck some more money out of people.
I've got the Bosch GCM12SD and it's a great saw for carpentry. And I love it for that. But, it occasionally has a small deflection when the arm is fully extended so it's not good for precision cuts. It's a known issue, and I was hoping I was lucky enough to maybe avoid the problem, but alas, I moved over to a Kapex after having to pull out the shooting board to fix a bad cut one too many times. Still (the Bosch), excellent saw.
Kapex is the way to go for fine furniture making. Although, it’s not really needed if you have a nice big cabinet saw. I use the Bosch in my shop but I never use it for finish cuts. My table saw does better cross cuts. I do use the Bosch to rough cut down lumber before it goes through the jointer. And the occasional miter, but those are rarely used in fine furniture because they make terrible glue joints. Unless you have a Festool Domino or other loose tenon in there.
Interesting that the best selling battery 12" seems to be the Makita 40V XGT, unless I missed something. For the premium price and the fact that it's not in-stores and has to be ordered online, it must be getting a good reputation with finish carpenters.
I went from the Bosch Axial glide to the DeWalt 60v. The DeWalt is much lighter and easier to bring job to job, even with a battery. I like the adjustments on the DeWalt better than the Bosch as well. Both are great, I'd recommend the Bosch for a shop and the DeWalt for jobsite applications.
Interesting. I bought Hercules 12 inch dual bevel and want to replace it. Never seems to hold square no matter how many adjustments I make to it. Not to mention the damn fence bows after a few years (had to replace the fence). Only reason to use a miter is for 1) quick cuts and 2) accurate perfect angles. And I feel the hercules lacks in the #2 area
Milwaukee’s new Forge battery series makes everything else seem inferior and outdated… I was skeptical that it was just a little better but the first M18 Red Lithium Forge XC6.0 I got literally out powered and outlasted my HD12.0… Insane battery, Battery tech is really coming in to the tool market now that EV’s and everything going electric and Milwaukee is the first to offer some of this technology to its cordless power tool customers which is just one more reason why I have been a Milwaukee guy from day 1, they have never let me down and enabled me to grow my business and reputation…there’s just something about seeing your contractor roll up with 2 Milwaukee packouts stacked 6 feet high breathes a little confidence into your decision lol
I have the Milwaukee 7 1/4 I wanted the 10 inch Milwaukee but got the Metabo HPT 36v, not sure why people hate on it so much, actually my favorite saw with hybrid power, just wish capacity was larger,
If you don't go over tunabiility, squareness of fence and accuracy of the cuts out of the box, everything else is just opinion-- which doesnt really matter
For me some other must haves are no extension out the back, excellent dust control. Also probably a couple of items that just won't come to me right now...
Xgt Makita is a heavy unit. butt the precision and dust collection is perfect. Ls002 for the job site ls003 for in the shop. I have a kapex 120, dust collection from the Makita is much and much better.
Woodworking Beginner: New - Update. This test is only if you want to saw with precision with a miter saw.(test is not intended for rough and hard work). Tips and Test: Read this first before you buying a miter saw! It's better to know than not to know. Important to know if you would like to saw with precision. (avoid torsion as much as possible)! Always choose a Miter saw with a handle positioned in a VERTICAL line above the saw blade. Everything must be aligned, slide rails, handle, and saw blade,it is much better this way the blade will not tilt. Because there is some torsion in the aluminum housing . And choose an engine with softstart on it to prevent wear of the gear and worm shaft. It is very important that everything is aligned. Here are some examples to show how the handle must be positioned above the blade. First option: handle vertical positioned above the saw blade. Bosch gcm 800 sj / Bosch gcm 8 sjl / Evolution rage 3 / FESTOOL KS 60 / Bosch GCM 8 SDE / FESTOOL KS 60 E KAPEX / Metabo KGSV 72 Xact/ Bosch PCM 8 SD / Hitachi C10FSH / Ridgid MS255SR 10-inch / Evolution Fury3-S / Evolution R255SMS / Metabo HPT C10FSBS / Hitachi C10FSB / Hitachi C10FS. Second optie: handle horizontal positioned above the saw blade / Evolution R185SMS / Evolution F255SMS / Evolution RAGE3R255 SMS3 . (This also is the case with the Miter saw without the slide rails). (If you want). You can test it yourself at home if there is torsion in the aluminum housing. Step-1. First you make a saw cut from +-5 mm deep in to a flat piece of wood about +- 20 mm thick to this with the normal handle positioned on the right side of the Miter saw (the wood it will remain in place until the test is completed). Step-2. Then repeat this by pushing the saw blade down with your hand or finger on the aluminum protective cover were the saw blade is cased in. Just now only do this without the running engine. Step-3. Now you can see if the saw blade will be positioned in or next to the saw cut. If the saw blade is (+- 0,2 / 0,5 mm) next to the saw cut then there is torsion in the aluminum housing. (test is completed). Conclusion: Therefor it is much better to choose a Miter saw with the handle positioned VERTICAL in line above the saw blade. The second option is the handle positioned HORIZONTAL in line above the saw blade. Remember this, the test is only about torsion and nothing else how further away the handle is from the saw blade how more chance of torsion in the aluminum housing, you better not go for that. (the choices are yours). Also with a cheap slide miter saw it is still better the handgriff in line a above the saw blade than on the right side. Maybe they will make it someday then we have a winner... P.S. When you measure the vertical 90 degrees angle square (Digital Level Box) of you're sawblade don't forget that there is always some torsion in the aluminum housing..
Nice review. I'll be looking for info as to how is the dust collection on the Milwaukee (or all of them...). The Milwaukee seems to spew out a fair amount.
Please correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe that the Festool KS 120 REB is a cordless saw, the only cordless miter saw manufactured by Festool is a Kapex KSC 60 which is an 8 1/2 diameter saw blade. More of a trim saw. Is anyone aware that Festool makes a cordless version of the 120? Maybe overseas or in Canada?
I was minutes away from buying that Bosch Dual Bevel 12" miter saw yesterday. I do 85% fine woodworking and 15% rough carpentry and loved the feel of this saw. It was smooth as butter to operate. BUT then I checked my impulsivity and went home to read reviews. There are many reviews about how the fence and the bed aren't flat and square and that they're off by as much as 1/16". This is probably fine for rough framing but not for fine furniture making. What's more is that Bosh has no adjustment according to their engineers. I haven't decided yet what I want to buy and was kind of hoping that maybe Bosch will re-engineer this saw. I've been waiting years to replace my really old Delta 10" sliding compound miter saw. It doesn't operate smoothly at all, needs constant realignment, and the stand is so wobbly.
Just my opinion, but Hilti is coming out with the beast of all miter saws really soon. I just found out about it an hour ago and it's the most robust and feature packed saw I've yet to see. I'd seriously recommend taking a look at it.
I’m looking into getting my first miter saw. I’m redoing stairs and laying hardwood upstairs, I’ll also need it for crown moldings and baseboards. I look at this as an investment but don’t want to break the bank - what’s y’all’s recommendation
@@Protoolreviewscan confirm. Just started doing carpentry and this is the saw the guy who is training me uses. It has so far had no issues. However the first had a light go out only a month after use but instead of needing to purchase a new light, Lowe’s replaced it. That and a Milwaukee 10” for smaller job sites
Why does everything have to be battery powered? Where do you think those batteries go when they don't hold a charge anymore? Is it really that difficult to bend over and plug in a tool and never have to worry about losing a charge during a cut?
@@awesomelegodude720 "There's a place for both." Yes, one battery powered tool as a backup, but you are using the corded unless you run into a bad power situation, which is weird as generators are on just about any work site strictly for power... This isn't happening though. Option #1 for people is a battery. Something that blows air, battery, something that rotates a tool, battery, something that drives nails, battery, battery powered lawn mowers, etc. Anyone who has used a cordless drill over the years knows the battery packs don't last and sometimes you get a dud right out of the gate. These things add up in a landfill the more people adopt them. The accumulation of these spent batteries over time, included EVs, will make toxic waste dumping look like "plant a tree" day.
You have mentioned Makita's ones, although it's not available on the shelf of those big retailers. Makita 40v cordless, available in 8.5" 10" 12", has the forward rail ( so u can put the saw against the wall), shadow line, and excellent dust collection.
The 40v gsl02 is the 8-1/2. It’s my most used miter saw, I have a x2 36 volt 7-1/4, and a corded 12”. The 8” covers most of the bases I need for a daily use ride 😎.
I love the Bosch miter saw (the only thing I like from Bosch), but I do NOT like that the warranty is only for 1 Year!? What??? You only back your product for 12 months and yet harbor freight now has a 5 year warranty? That's ridiculous! Bosch needs to get with the program.
Check out the Flex if you haven't already, i think it's supposed to come out tomorrow. 12 in duel bevel $599 bare tool, cordless AND corded option, patented bevel lock system, depth stop, one hand blade change, led shadow line. Was gonna get that Bosch axial glide until i learned my tool brand was releasing one soon.
We're still getting our first impressions as it just showed up to the shop, but we'll surely publish our opinions when we've got some more hands on time with it!
I love the M18 7 1/4. Lasts forever on a battery. I just got it because of quick trim jobs. You know, one or two doors to case. A room of base etc. It's under 30lbs and can use it anywhere real quick.
I don’t understand either. I take my saw out of the truck, put it on the stand, plug it in. It stays there all day while I work then I take it home. I mean, cordless drills and circular saws, sawzall all make sense. But a miter saw? That’s like a cordless table saw. Just why?
@@shaunsims-p2z i have it. It is a great saw but the dust collection is truly pitiful even with the strongest vacuum available. the dust boot is way too far away from the blade.
100% for the job site and when you factor the price, forget about it. And I owned most of the other big names. I do like the makita too, but not the extra $300-400. I need a new miter saw for the shop with small foot print, tight to the wall like bosch. Any suggestions?
@@johnd5542 the kapex is still a good saw I like the precision. You just know 45 is 45. Butt the price sucks. Bosch I don’t like it, butt depends on the budget and capabilities Dewalt 777 is small and can do almost anything. For that price. Butt it’s not high end saw or precision saw.
@nathangardner772 But nothing oh I have. I got a buddy. that's a f****** idiot and bought it all. I've tried it all.Ill take my Bosch axial glide over it any day
@@michaelclark7602completely depends on what you’re cutting really, you need to be cutting materials expensive enough to warrant it or even notice the difference over a say Bosch which is fantastic in itself. I use my Bosch for most things but only pull out the festool when needed. Usually when I’m doing something expensive and can’t fuck up and it needs to be perfect. Battery operated is acceptable in these situations, loosing power and compromising the cut or worse stalling and destroying it in the process. 😂
Makita needs to ditch the aluminum miter detent plate though. Gets stripped out after just a few weeks of use and you have to lock down every miter cut.
I know this is “best” saw out there. I get it. But every time these lists come out, the Capex is always at the top. People, please stop with this nonsense!!! The Capex better make the cuts for you at $1600! It’s in a class of its own. Festool/Snapon/woodpecker are all in the same categories. Best tool if you have money to just piss down the drain. For everything that it does and the price point and track record, the Dewalt DWS780 cannot be beat. Period. Right now it is at Lowe’s/Home Depot/Amazon for $549!
The pricing is mostly because it’s not made in China but in Germany where they pay a living wage. It would roughly be the same cost if made here in the U.S. That’s the trade-off. You can buy a No. 4 Lie Nielsen hand plane for $450 or a Wood River made in China for about $200. Made in America Blue Spruce chisels are bout twice what they are outside the U.S. I’m not saying this is good or bad as everyone has their own values, opinions, price point for what they can afford. I’ve got pre-war Stanley tools, Festool, U.S. made, Canada, China, Taiwan, made tools. I still don’t own a Kapex….yet. And this may be where I draw my line and go for a Bosh or Dewalt to replace my Taiwan Grizzly miter saw.
My friend who finishes multimillion dollar homes with 100% maple millwork swears by the plane jane, non-sliding 10inch dewalt. Says every other saw hes tried always has deflection in the rails and the 10inch blade deflects less then the 12 inch.
I have owned every (big name) miter saw (aside from Festool Kapex) and my favourite is Bosch 12” 18v Surgeon with the Makita 12” LS1219L a close second. Every few months I swap them out on to my CutHub and enjoy both of these saws.
Every battery miter saw should have an ac plug option on the back !
Agreed!
They designed it that way on purpose. I cant think of why but theres no way the engineers couldnt figure that out.
@@s2krookiemy buddy has a ac-dc converter and 3d printed an adapter for the shop n his chop saw. They “engineered” it without that capability to suck some more money out of people.
Those are available, nothing new. Amazon has them for all the manufacturers
@@awesomelegodude720 that's great I'll have to locate one
I've got the Bosch GCM12SD and it's a great saw for carpentry. And I love it for that. But, it occasionally has a small deflection when the arm is fully extended so it's not good for precision cuts. It's a known issue, and I was hoping I was lucky enough to maybe avoid the problem, but alas, I moved over to a Kapex after having to pull out the shooting board to fix a bad cut one too many times. Still (the Bosch), excellent saw.
Kapex is the way to go for fine furniture making. Although, it’s not really needed if you have a nice big cabinet saw. I use the Bosch in my shop but I never use it for finish cuts. My table saw does better cross cuts. I do use the Bosch to rough cut down lumber before it goes through the jointer. And the occasional miter, but those are rarely used in fine furniture because they make terrible glue joints. Unless you have a Festool Domino or other loose tenon in there.
Interesting that the best selling battery 12" seems to be the Makita 40V XGT, unless I missed something. For the premium price and the fact that it's not in-stores and has to be ordered online, it must be getting a good reputation with finish carpenters.
I like the Makita better than the Festool
I went from the Bosch Axial glide to the DeWalt 60v. The DeWalt is much lighter and easier to bring job to job, even with a battery. I like the adjustments on the DeWalt better than the Bosch as well. Both are great, I'd recommend the Bosch for a shop and the DeWalt for jobsite applications.
I'm a dewalt guy
But bought a table top and combination miter saw from harbor freight Hercules
Has been perfect wouldn't swap for anything.
I wouldn’t swap for anything new that I’ve bought either lol
@@thedone1342 LOL! Fair.
Said a better way. If I had nothing. It would buy these again. Price is great and performance is on par with the rest!
Interesting. I bought Hercules 12 inch dual bevel and want to replace it. Never seems to hold square no matter how many adjustments I make to it. Not to mention the damn fence bows after a few years (had to replace the fence). Only reason to use a miter is for 1) quick cuts and 2) accurate perfect angles. And I feel the hercules lacks in the #2 area
Milwaukee’s new Forge battery series makes everything else seem inferior and outdated… I was skeptical that it was just a little better but the first M18 Red Lithium Forge XC6.0 I got literally out powered and outlasted my HD12.0… Insane battery, Battery tech is really coming in to the tool market now that EV’s and everything going electric and Milwaukee is the first to offer some of this technology to its cordless power tool customers which is just one more reason why I have been a Milwaukee guy from day 1, they have never let me down and enabled me to grow my business and reputation…there’s just something about seeing your contractor roll up with 2 Milwaukee packouts stacked 6 feet high breathes a little confidence into your decision lol
I have the Milwaukee 7 1/4 I wanted the 10 inch Milwaukee but got the Metabo HPT 36v, not sure why people hate on it so much, actually my favorite saw with hybrid power, just wish capacity was larger,
There is a new 12” version now and hybrid as you like.
If you don't go over tunabiility, squareness of fence and accuracy of the cuts out of the box, everything else is just opinion-- which doesnt really matter
For me some other must haves are no extension out the back, excellent dust control. Also probably a couple of items that just won't come to me right now...
Xgt Makita is a heavy unit. butt the precision and dust collection is perfect. Ls002 for the job site ls003 for in the shop. I have a kapex 120, dust collection from the Makita is much and much better.
Woodworking Beginner: New - Update.
This test is only if you want to saw with precision with a miter saw.(test is not intended for rough and hard work).
Tips and Test: Read this first before you buying a miter saw! It's better to know than not to know.
Important to know if you would like to saw with precision. (avoid torsion as much as possible)!
Always choose a Miter saw with a handle positioned in a VERTICAL line above the saw blade.
Everything must be aligned, slide rails, handle, and saw blade,it is much better this way the blade will not tilt.
Because there is some torsion in the aluminum housing .
And choose an engine with softstart on it to prevent wear of the gear and worm shaft.
It is very important that everything is aligned.
Here are some examples to show how the handle must be positioned above the blade.
First option: handle vertical positioned above the saw blade.
Bosch gcm 800 sj / Bosch gcm 8 sjl / Evolution rage 3 / FESTOOL KS 60 / Bosch GCM 8 SDE / FESTOOL KS 60 E KAPEX / Metabo KGSV 72 Xact/ Bosch PCM 8 SD / Hitachi C10FSH / Ridgid MS255SR 10-inch / Evolution Fury3-S / Evolution R255SMS / Metabo HPT C10FSBS / Hitachi C10FSB / Hitachi C10FS.
Second optie: handle horizontal positioned above the saw blade / Evolution R185SMS / Evolution F255SMS / Evolution RAGE3R255 SMS3 .
(This also is the case with the Miter saw without the slide rails).
(If you want). You can test it yourself at home if there is torsion in the aluminum housing.
Step-1. First you make a saw cut from +-5 mm deep in to a flat piece of wood about +- 20 mm thick to this with the normal handle positioned on the right side of the Miter saw (the wood it will remain in place until the test is completed).
Step-2. Then repeat this by pushing the saw blade down with your hand or finger on the aluminum protective cover were the saw blade is cased in. Just now only do this without the running engine.
Step-3. Now you can see if the saw blade will be positioned in or next to the saw cut. If the saw blade is (+- 0,2 / 0,5 mm) next to the saw cut then there is torsion in the aluminum housing.
(test is completed).
Conclusion: Therefor it is much better to choose a Miter saw with the handle positioned VERTICAL in line above the saw blade.
The second option is the handle positioned HORIZONTAL in line above the saw blade.
Remember this, the test is only about torsion and nothing else how further away the handle is from the saw blade how more chance of torsion in the aluminum housing, you better not go for that. (the choices are yours).
Also with a cheap slide miter saw it is still better the handgriff in line a above the saw blade than on the right side. Maybe they will make it someday then we have a winner...
P.S. When you measure the vertical 90 degrees angle square (Digital Level Box) of you're sawblade don't forget that there is always some torsion in the aluminum housing..
I just bought a 12" Bosch miter saw! Looking forward to using it.
Not complete without including the Makita with it’s compact forward rails and fantastic dust collection.
Thanks for chiming in! We'll check it out! 👍🏻
I’m curious as to the measurement the saw front to back fully extended before it touches the wall.
Nice review. I'll be looking for info as to how is the dust collection on the Milwaukee (or all of them...). The Milwaukee seems to spew out a fair amount.
Please correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe that the Festool KS 120 REB is a cordless saw, the only cordless miter saw manufactured by Festool is a Kapex KSC 60 which is an 8 1/2 diameter saw blade. More of a trim saw. Is anyone aware that Festool makes a cordless version of the 120? Maybe overseas or in Canada?
I was minutes away from buying that Bosch Dual Bevel 12" miter saw yesterday. I do 85% fine woodworking and 15% rough carpentry and loved the feel of this saw. It was smooth as butter to operate. BUT then I checked my impulsivity and went home to read reviews. There are many reviews about how the fence and the bed aren't flat and square and that they're off by as much as 1/16". This is probably fine for rough framing but not for fine furniture making. What's more is that Bosh has no adjustment according to their engineers. I haven't decided yet what I want to buy and was kind of hoping that maybe Bosch will re-engineer this saw. I've been waiting years to replace my really old Delta 10" sliding compound miter saw. It doesn't operate smoothly at all, needs constant realignment, and the stand is so wobbly.
Just my opinion, but Hilti is coming out with the beast of all miter saws really soon. I just found out about it an hour ago and it's the most robust and feature packed saw I've yet to see. I'd seriously recommend taking a look at it.
I’m looking into getting my first miter saw. I’m redoing stairs and laying hardwood upstairs, I’ll also need it for crown moldings and baseboards. I look at this as an investment but don’t want to break the bank - what’s y’all’s recommendation
Hard not to like this saw if it fits your budget: amzn.to/3uFqRtH
@@Protoolreviewscan confirm. Just started doing carpentry and this is the saw the guy who is training me uses. It has so far had no issues. However the first had a light go out only a month after use but instead of needing to purchase a new light, Lowe’s replaced it. That and a Milwaukee 10” for smaller job sites
@Protoolreviews how do you feel about the Hurricane?
Nice job god bless
Why does everything have to be battery powered? Where do you think those batteries go when they don't hold a charge anymore? Is it really that difficult to bend over and plug in a tool and never have to worry about losing a charge during a cut?
There's a place for both. I've been on big restorations with inadequate power. The battery powered stuff saved us. But I use corded in the shop.
@@awesomelegodude720 "There's a place for both." Yes, one battery powered tool as a backup, but you are using the corded unless you run into a bad power situation, which is weird as generators are on just about any work site strictly for power... This isn't happening though. Option #1 for people is a battery. Something that blows air, battery, something that rotates a tool, battery, something that drives nails, battery, battery powered lawn mowers, etc. Anyone who has used a cordless drill over the years knows the battery packs don't last and sometimes you get a dud right out of the gate. These things add up in a landfill the more people adopt them. The accumulation of these spent batteries over time, included EVs, will make toxic waste dumping look like "plant a tree" day.
You have mentioned Makita's ones, although it's not available on the shelf of those big retailers. Makita 40v cordless, available in 8.5" 10" 12", has the forward rail ( so u can put the saw against the wall), shadow line, and excellent dust collection.
The 40v gsl02 is the 8-1/2. It’s my most used miter saw, I have a x2 36 volt 7-1/4, and a corded 12”. The 8” covers most of the bases I need for a daily use ride 😎.
I love my Bosch
I love the Bosch miter saw (the only thing I like from Bosch), but I do NOT like that the warranty is only for 1 Year!? What??? You only back your product for 12 months and yet harbor freight now has a 5 year warranty? That's ridiculous! Bosch needs to get with the program.
Bosch
Gracias 😊
Never mentioned how square the saws are, the detents or the accuracy at full extension. This is an opinion piece, pls try again!
For carpentry Festool are the best
What abo3the Hurricane?
Check out the Flex if you haven't already, i think it's supposed to come out tomorrow. 12 in duel bevel $599 bare tool, cordless AND corded option, patented bevel lock system, depth stop, one hand blade change, led shadow line.
Was gonna get that Bosch axial glide until i learned my tool brand was releasing one soon.
We've got that one in-house now for testing...
How do you like the new flex miter saw
We're still getting our first impressions as it just showed up to the shop, but we'll surely publish our opinions when we've got some more hands on time with it!
Anything by Makita blows Milwaukee and Dewalt away.
I work everyday doing custom trim. I don’t understand the battery. No way battery is as fast as a corded saw. Are people working in the woods.
I love the M18 7 1/4. Lasts forever on a battery. I just got it because of quick trim jobs. You know, one or two doors to case. A room of base etc. It's under 30lbs and can use it anywhere real quick.
I don’t understand either. I take my saw out of the truck, put it on the stand, plug it in. It stays there all day while I work then I take it home. I mean, cordless drills and circular saws, sawzall all make sense. But a miter saw? That’s like a cordless table saw. Just why?
Not complete if you dont in the hercules
Milwaukee miter saw is the worst one out there
Why
@@shaunsims-p2z i have it. It is a great saw but the dust collection is truly pitiful even with the strongest vacuum available. the dust boot is way too far away from the blade.
Ya .. why?
Dewalts 60v trashes all of these
ABSOLUTELY 👍 it seems like a lot of TH-camrs hate on DeWalt for some reason and I don't understand why.... 🤷♂️
Use a other brand for 2 weeks and go back to Dewalt and you will know.
Yes
They don’t take about
100% for the job site and when you factor the price, forget about it. And I owned most of the other big names. I do like the makita too, but not the extra $300-400.
I need a new miter saw for the shop with small foot print, tight to the wall like bosch. Any suggestions?
@@johnd5542 the kapex is still a good saw I like the precision. You just know 45 is 45. Butt the price sucks. Bosch I don’t like it, butt depends on the budget and capabilities Dewalt 777 is small and can do almost anything. For that price. Butt it’s not high end saw or precision saw.
Festool sucks and and the price is worse
Sounds like you’ve never tried it
@nathangardner772 But nothing oh I have. I got a buddy. that's a f****** idiot and bought it all. I've tried it all.Ill take my Bosch axial glide over it any day
Isn't hate a wonderful thing
@@riptonedwards9175 Well, build a better product or give it at a reasonable price. And there wouldn't be any hate
@@michaelclark7602completely depends on what you’re cutting really, you need to be cutting materials expensive enough to warrant it or even notice the difference over a say Bosch which is fantastic in itself. I use my Bosch for most things but only pull out the festool when needed. Usually when I’m doing something expensive and can’t fuck up and it needs to be perfect. Battery operated is acceptable in these situations, loosing power and compromising the cut or worse stalling and destroying it in the process. 😂
No more hitachi that’s why they are the best 😂😂
Festool or Makita miter saws. Do not bother with the rest
Makita needs to ditch the aluminum miter detent plate though. Gets stripped out after just a few weeks of use and you have to lock down every miter cut.
I know this is “best” saw out there. I get it. But every time these lists come out, the Capex is always at the top. People, please stop with this nonsense!!! The Capex better make the cuts for you at $1600! It’s in a class of its own. Festool/Snapon/woodpecker are all in the same categories. Best tool if you have money to just piss down the drain. For everything that it does and the price point and track record, the Dewalt DWS780 cannot be beat. Period. Right now it is at Lowe’s/Home Depot/Amazon for $549!
DeWalt is definitely doing something right! It's at the top of most of the best selling lists near the end of the video!
@@Protoolreviews I know, I apology! I just have these rants sometimes about Festool! Great power tool company, I just don’t get the pricing.
The pricing is mostly because it’s not made in China but in Germany where they pay a living wage. It would roughly be the same cost if made here in the U.S. That’s the trade-off. You can buy a No. 4 Lie Nielsen hand plane for $450 or a Wood River made in China for about $200. Made in America Blue Spruce chisels are bout twice what they are outside the U.S. I’m not saying this is good or bad as everyone has their own values, opinions, price point for what they can afford. I’ve got pre-war Stanley tools, Festool, U.S. made, Canada, China, Taiwan, made tools. I still don’t own a Kapex….yet. And this may be where I draw my line and go for a Bosh or Dewalt to replace my Taiwan Grizzly miter saw.
I miss the Makita LS1013
My friend who finishes multimillion dollar homes with 100% maple millwork swears by the plane jane, non-sliding 10inch dewalt.
Says every other saw hes tried always has deflection in the rails and the 10inch blade deflects less then the 12 inch.
Makita. What’s up
Borsch🔥💯👍
I have owned every (big name) miter saw (aside from Festool Kapex) and my favourite is Bosch 12” 18v Surgeon with the Makita 12” LS1219L a close second.
Every few months I swap them out on to my CutHub and enjoy both of these saws.
Why doesn't every saw have a ruler on the fence?
I run all my cordless tools on dewalt, have 2 Bosch professional mitre saws that are corded absolutely love them.
Did you say festool do a cordless 120?
He did, and he’s wrong. The Kapex 60 comes in optional cordless. Only a matter of time before the 120 comes in optional cordless too.
Got the hb bauer miter with a milwaukee battery adapter
What about the warranty of Festool, not mentioned?
3 years with a 10-year parts-availability guarantee.
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