@ my stock bottom end NA Honda was running 12.5 1/4 mile full interior. Honda jokes are played out in 2020. We have AWD k swap turbo Hondas that will kill nearly anything on the streets from a dig.
That was one of your best builds. You actually looked like you were trying to build a Ford with some enthusiasm. Results were awesome. Like to see a 428 built and a 427 side oiler, with Lemans heads, and intake. Love to see a Shelby spec 427 used in the GT-40.
As someone who has done machine work my whole life I have always always checked for cracks on everything after cleaning and before doing any kind of machine work. I started doing this when I was 17 and now at 65 I have never done it any other way. Every head or block or crankshaft it didn't matter. And yes I have found a few crankshafts through the years that were cracked. If they bought in intakes for cleaning I even checked them. You never know what the circumstances were as far as the history of the parts were.
It baffles me why these guys on a nationally TV show would even think about doing anything to cylinder bores or the rest of the block without magging it first... makes you wonder.
Not only is it fun to watch these two, but, I love the passion in Pat. You can honestly see the "little kid" in him when he builds... TRUE GOAT show hosts.. Theses guys and Tommy are the only thing keeping me watching.
Mom drove a 1964 Tbird convertable as a daily driver, and Mom did not drive slow. I reminded her that I almost died of fever in 1980 from the measles. Mom threw me into the Tbird, drove 100 mph on gravel, to the hospital, threw me into alcohol bath. 390 all the way baby.
Yep and it's one thing to pull that intake off while the engine sits on a stand. Pull it off while leaning over a fender and you will discover muscles you didn't know you had.
@@doughibbard8462 don't I know it Those iron manifolds are no joke, they may be stronger, but they're a pain in the arse to pull off if you've still got the engine in the vehicle when you're trying to remove the manifold from the engine block
@@doughibbard8462 The first time I tried to lift a manifold was on an old truck 390 I was yanking to go in a racing mud buggy I was building, I strained so hard I farted and almost shit myself trying to lift it up and out. Good times.
Man I needed you guys 18 years ago when I had napa rebuild my 390. All I was able to do was Street avenger holly 4 Barrel and Dual plane Elderbrock intake and headers . I learned a lot but it had no more power than before!!!! It was fun messing around with it. But Not worth it!
I've always like the 390 (or in this case a stroked 390) and the entire FE family. Underrated and undervalued unless it's a 427 or 428 which need no intro.
Expensive to get it stroked out. Other than that, they have great torque and sound mean even stock. I have a cammed 390, and I absolutely love it. Out of commission at the moment though. FE’s are very stout.
@@BrockGrimes - Yup, 1966 and 1967. Had one of each. One went into my '68 Torino GT Sportsroof where a 390 once lived. Worked really well with the wide-ratio toploader. Man, I miss that one!
I'm new in the Automotive wold, now retired .I purchased a 1956 F-100 with a 351c .It runs hot with the original Radio when in traffic. Living on lift case, is there a recommended radio ? Cross flow electric fan combination .
Hands down the best show TH-cam. And the fact you build a 390 well that is near and dear to my heart. Was the first engine I ever built, and it was a ripper in my 70 torino👍
@@danielemmons3513 It would probably need to be attached firmly to the block to make a good electrical connection rather than just sitting there...If it was even made of zinc. Zinc bolts aren't made of zinc. They are zinc plated, so there isn't very much zinc in them.
@@johnkendall6962 And a Caddy 500 is about 100 lbs lighter than the FE. about the same as a 350 Chevy with iron heads and intake. The FE is crying out for a Aluminum intake for sure! - Sandy
Actually an FE 390 with an aluminum intake and aluminum water pump weighs nearly the same as a 350 chevy...within 5 lbs... and I Remember losing money on that when I first started at the machine shop the old timers got me!
So cool seeing y'all break down that engine and show us all the wear!! Most shows just skip this part, but true gear heads love this stuff! Too bad the block was no good.
Just got a Ford Ranger from 68. Supposedly it's a 390. It was a 360 originally. Got this truck from family was my grandpa's then dads then uncles then dads once more now mine. Still in damn good shape and runs. But 40 years ago I blew that original up. Now before I'm dead I am going to fix it up for my son's baby. Thanks for the vid
My brother and I rebuilt a 390 many moons ago in his 68 fastback to which we encountered cracks in the valve galley in the same spot as well as more cracks in the lower crank case using magna flux and a special light to see the cracks better. We didn't need the light the cracks were relatively large and yet did not leak. Strange thing was that when we used torque plates on both decks and torqued the main caps, the cracks closed up and were barely visible. moving forward I always magna flux first before any machine work begins. That clock became an anchor somewhere in the Hudson River LOL. We found a true replacement engine complete on City Island's junk yard in the Bronx and after a check with the block number and head casting numbers it was out of a 69 Mustang and was a true 428 SCJ engine! We paid $500 for the engine. We had the heads rebuilt to stock and then I realized that the motor may be valuable so i rebuilt it back to stock with all stock parts. I did balance the reciprocating assemble and blue print it. Then we went back to the Bronx and found another one still in the car, which was a wrecked 68 Shelby GT500KR with a 428 SCJ!!! The car was completely destroyed so all we could get was the engine tranny, and rear. Keep in mind this was 1984. I rebuilt the motor, replacing most of the parts like in this video. The only difference, was we went full MSD ignition. My brother took some of the body parts we saved from the wreck and after visiting many swap meets we we converted his car into a 68 Shelby replica. He wanted the dual carb package which i didn't like because they are a pain in the but to synch and jet correctly even on a dyno, but i did it. The Holley 850DP made more torque and slightly less HP. I like the torque better for off the line power and a much better idle on the single carb. Compromise. The engine made similar numbers on the dyno albeit slightly higher. LOL I am a Corvette guy and love them and when I raced that car at the track with my small block 75 Corvette, it destroyed me and my car ran a respectable 13.7et at 105 in the traps. His car ran L88 Corvette numbers in the low 11s. 11.2 at 122 in the traps and redlined he told me. We changed the rear gearing from 456:1 to 411:1 and it made negligible difference. The car still screamed to the redline with a higher trap speed, but slightly slower time. We then changed the 4spd top loader tranny's gearing because it was ridiculous and that was the secret sauce to getting that car to be a beast at the track, stop light, and making it very streetable. That 428 makes an amazing roar down the track. Not many big block V8's sound as good. (392/ 426 Hemi Chrysler sounds the best imo) One other note, with the 456:1 rear and original top loader, traction bars, and Mickey Thompson slicks, when launching the front wheels lifted slightly off the ground. After sitting in his garage for almost 10 years due to my brother being unable to drive because of a serious injury, he sold that car to his friend and told him to check everything especially the fuel lines before driving it. He didn't and while driving it home a fuel line ruptured on the NJ Turnpike burning the car to the ground. It was completely destroyed. He junked it and I tried to get that drive train, but someone else beat me too it. All good, had a great time and after that, have great respect for Ford power, back to my Corvettes. LOL
I’ve had cars with the FE block. 332,352,390 and 428. Except for the 428, all motors lasted over 200,000 miles. The 428, I am the 5th owner and it has a bad crank. My 390 came out of a 1967 country squire. That car was passed down since new. It was in 2 accidents before I got it. It had fords automatic reverse. If you left the car running in park, WITHOUT the parking brake engaged, it would shift itself into reverse, and find the nearest telephone pole! The first problem I had was on a trip, it started to run hot. This was from not being able to get gasoline with lead in it. Then after using a lead substitute, I had trouble getting the 99. Octane that Sunoco used to sell. Then I had to get octane boost. (60 cents a bottle). Then one day while driving, I heard a loud bang. Mechanic said the frame broke. The frame had been straightened twice before I got it. I saved the motor and C-6 trans. I was going to put them in My 66 T-bird, the one with the 428. Lost my job and the money I had for the car went to my mortgage payment. Never had a good paying job since, so the T-bird with the 428, the 390 and C-6 trans are still in the garage.
@@jasonpoore7361 I have a 250 I want to rebuild a motor for and that price is what scares me. I feel like the same power could be had for a lot less with a Chevy :-(
@@stevenmyers2252 i had my block, line bored, punched .030 over, decked and rotating assembly balanced and it cost $1960. And i put the block together, with new rods, high compression flat top pistons, high vol oil pump, comp cam double roller chain, voodoo cam and lifters, edelbrock rpm alumn heads and intake, HEI distributer, 1 wire alt, Headman comp series headers, high torque starter, and block is studded. Running a 3core alumn radiator, two 12in electric fans, a trans cooler with 10in electric fan. And than i rebuilt the c6 with TCI master rebuild, red alto clutches and steels, hughes converter. I.m pretty sure i.m.missing some stuff. Lol but thats a big chunk of whats done.
@@jasonpoore7361 sounds like a great build. Sadly my truck will likely need other love and if it cost me 6k for the motor the other work would be years before it got done.
@@frigglebiscuit7484 My first car was a Charger with a 440 in it. Loved that car and that motor. Drove it for a few years and sold it to my boss who eventually killed himself in it by driving off the side of a mountain in the Ozarks.
When I took auto mechanics at a tech college, someone brought in an old F100 with a 302 for us to rebuild the motor. It had a piston being held together only by the cylinder. He drove it to the shop.
I've had a few of these in trucks. I built mine back in 2000 and I don't remember having all those choices for stroker cranks and heads. I ended up with a 428 crank in a 360 60 over block, so it's .020 under a 428. They make unreal torque right out of the box. One thing about the FE and that heavy intake is that most people hate that, but it's actually an excellent design. The reason is that when you do an FE intake swap, you're changing more of the intake runner than with the BBC design. You look at the weight of the heads on a BBC, you see how nice it is to just change an intake and make that much difference.
When I was working in a machine/engine shop I called that.....strip,boil,mill square,bore, hone,wash,plug and cam bearing.......AND THROW OUT !!! Happened more than once.....freeze cracks usually. After one time when it took 3 engines just to get a usable block (Pontiac) I checked every block very carefully before any machine work.....and always tried to get a used but running engine that did not have water in the oil.....I rebuilt the 390 in my old Ford pickup......they were good engines....but the intake is a tank and the exhaust manifold bolts always broke trying to get them apart....rust.....For drag racing it was common to bolt a torque plate to the iron head. The end chamber valve seats could move when torqued on the engine.....428 CJ's.....same basic engine.....FE....
It's possible that that engine hasn't run since the '70s. I remember my grandfather telling me about engines using the old oils back in the '50s and early '60s after about 60k miles, he would tear them down and the entire valve cover would be just packed with material. It was impossible for any oil to really flow through it, which is why they would fail at such short mileage. He even remembered when he was young going to races way back in the day and the race cars would smell like a deep fryer because they used castor oil as lubricant. That's actually where the brand name Castrol comes from apparently. Oil tech has come a long way since then and it has just gotten better and better. You won't see sludge like that unless someone doesn't change the oil for 30k+ miles these days.
If you like junk. Why clowns would put all that money and time into it is beyond me. 2 bolt mains cast crank pulling 600 hp that piece of junk should last about 20 minutes.
@@trythinking6676 A TH-camr Krankie V has a 66 F100 with a Cammed 390 FE and man it almost sounds like a NASCAR. Here's the Link below to see the videoth-cam.com/video/Vy8vMmx4WPs/w-d-xo.html
Agreed. Probably hit the nail on the head. If for no other reason, there is a special sound that only an FE can make... No idea who these clowns are but THIS sound... lol th-cam.com/video/WTMZ5n-EGCI/w-d-xo.html
When you said 445 my first thought was Godzilla! But you beat that with the power you got. I believe new 7.3 is 430hp and round 475 in torque. Nicely done
Standard procedure, and most definitely if it was siitin on the ground with no air breather and probably no pcv valve or oil breathers on the valve covers, come on boys!!?!🤭😆
I love the FE's. They have a sound all their own. They never seem to make huge numbers but they must average better overall than other engines because always perform at the track.
We trust race engineers more than factory engineers. To many times having to remove six parts because one bolt is partially covered to trust the factory guys anymore.
The first engine I took apart and rebuilt was a 352 block FE 360 in the 73 F100 farm truck I got for $500. 3 on the tree, manual steering, manual brakes. A real Armstrong truck. I rebuilt it in the apartment parking lot. Note every single compression ring was cracked bu it ran fine, I just dug into the engine because of oil coming out the straight dual exhaust (two black cicles on the brick of the apartment where I started it every morning). These FE engines were really hard to kill, but also.. it was hard to rebuild imo. Oh, it it always got 10 mpg no matter what. Lol. Sounded amazing with the straight duals though. I couldn't find an affordable aftermarket intake back then (early 90s), so I reused the stock one. Big mistake. The emissions stuff in the 73 intake was a problem..
This was a great informative vid. I would of liked to see the torque and power curve though. Those old FE's had tremendous potential for a low and broad torque curve!
Really REALLY want you guys to bring this build back and test different styles of EFI induction. I built this damn near exact combo but I had the heads ported and polished and changed the valves. I’m also running a Holly efi set up but I’m looking to fabricate a sheet metal intake for a throttle body and run two injectors per cylinder as I’m leaning toward some form of forced induction, most likely a ProCharger. Running this almost exact set up in my 70’s grand marquis’s on 26’s lol I hit it with a 200 shot and dyno’d at 776hp and 881tq. If y’all can please bring this motor back.
Current prices for heads from TF, 2200/pair. Harland Sharp rockers, 940, intake is 549. Figure 4k for the top end, Eagle 445 stroker kit is 1800. You might build this engine for 8k but with carb, pushrods, cam etc, I imagine 9-10k is more realistic. Jegs has 460 crates, no intake or carb for 9800, 575/575 on power... just depends on your taste, FE or 485 series. I am a diehard FE fan, so it would be this setup for me
a little add on to the tech tip early in the video, make sure your ring gaps are not on top of eachother, kinda set them in place like a pie being cut, each gap sections a third of the piston
I have a 69 390 FE in my 1960 Ford Thunderbird, it came from the factory with a 430 in it but that was blown up over 40 years ago, the 390 does the job but it would be great to find another 430 to put back in
I love the FE motors my father had a 390 built for an RV situation and I had an original 427 long block. I would love to see this motor go into a pick up truck maybe like a 66,65, or 64
I could never afford one, but that is my dream engine. I’m a real beginner and I’m having a real hard time getting the 352 in my grandpas old 66 f100 going and back on the road
Very Nice Job Fellas!!! Pretty big cam you utilized in this build!! I don’t know if it’s a low rpm stump puller, obviously not with the single plane intake and all, but she made very good HP!! The new Trick Flow heads are excellent bolt on parts!! Did you guys port match the intake? You might consider T&D rocker assemblies if you build another FE in the future, as the T&D design utilizes a ball/ball pushrod which can take valve spring pressure loads better than ball/cup pushrods! Pivot angles are much better! Again!! Nice build!! Good choice on the valve covers too!! Keeps the originality and history of the original motors!!
Wow always bad enough looks first so you don't waste your time looks like the water froze in the block at one time I love how core plugs got changed in freeze plugs people actually thought the plugs would pop out when the water started to freeze but once the water freezes it ain't raining out it's already Frozen it just keeps expanding as temperature goes lower. I've built quite a few of these engines I love modifying them.
They used to put a zinc bolt, or something similarly large and zinc in the chamber to prevent galvanic corrosion in the coolant system. An old school trick to keep the coolant system reliable.
In the late 70's I had a '64 Merc with a 390. I worked that poor thing into a grave. The valve would float around 6400 and make a "blort" sound. Some of my buddies had engines with 2" strokes, so the big V8 with a 4" stroke was moving the pistons the same distance as if their engines were turning 12,800. That engine made it to 180,ooo on the clock before it burned so much oil that I had to replace it. Hey, at least it cured the mosquito issue!
Great build. Would love to do similar build for an 68 xl 390. Do you have a parts list breakdown and total cost for the build. I am guessing past the $10k area. Also what fuel were you running on the Dyno? Would like to see numbers on 93 pump fuel.... Thanks
Here some trivia On the FE camshaft , between the cam bearings the lobes have taper going one way and the other way to help keep the cam centered so yo do not have to worry about cam drift ( only on hyd and solid lifters). I know because I did cam grinding for a cam manufacturer.
FE blocks were really bad about cracking in the lifter galley. Working in an engine machine shop for a number of years in the late 80's-early 90's I threw away easily 80% of the FE blocks that came in because of cracking. The only FE displacement that never ended up in the junk pile was 428 CID.
Are you using Survival Motorsports for parts? The varnish and crud is something I've always seen in a Ford. We built 454 Fords for a local Dirt track racer in high school. How was that possible? A 427 block with a 428 crank, and a .030" overbore makes 454 cubic inches. We used tunnel port heads on this customers engines and he was dominating the local track. Later on down the road when I was working for a mom and pop Auto Parts and Machine Shop, we built a 390 for a customer. Things went great until it was time to prime the oilpump. The Machinest ran the drill while I spun the motor over with a breaker bar and things went well, until they didn't. The Machinest forgot to put oil deflectors on the rocker arms, and when the pressure came up, he got a shower of 30 weight. I got a little bit dowsed, but my boss was cool and gave me a T shirt to replace the shirt that got ruined.
Ive inherited my grandfather's old 73 F100, used to ride that truck with him when i was little, been meaning to give the old girl a good fixing, the engine actually seems in good condition and it is a 390, but the bad thing is that it hasn't moved for the better part of the last 20 or so years, so I am a little afraid it might be worse than what it actually seems
Bolt was in the water jacket to act as an anode, probably zinc coated, it’s a softer metal so the electrolysis that happens will attack the bolt and not the block
The FE engine has its own sound and I'm a huge fan of them! You guys did an awesome job finding HP on this build!
I love seeing old FE engines show their worth!
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@Dave Micolichekman fes are great engines and run forever and can make a good bit of power was also the power plant on most ford muscle cars
@ my stock bottom end NA Honda was running 12.5 1/4 mile full interior. Honda jokes are played out in 2020. We have AWD k swap turbo Hondas that will kill nearly anything on the streets from a dig.
@@TheBb6prelude a stock f250 with a 6.4 diesel and a Spartan 350 tune in 4x4 will kill you from a dig. Honda’s are slow.
That was one of your best builds. You actually looked like you were trying to build a Ford with some enthusiasm. Results were awesome. Like to see a 428 built and a 427 side oiler, with Lemans heads, and intake. Love to see a Shelby spec 427 used in the GT-40.
As someone who has done machine work my whole life I have always always checked for cracks on everything after cleaning and before doing any kind of machine work. I started doing this when I was 17 and now at 65 I have never done it any other way. Every head or block or crankshaft it didn't matter. And yes I have found a few crankshafts through the years that were cracked. If they bought in intakes for cleaning I even checked them. You never know what the circumstances were as far as the history of the parts were.
It baffles me why these guys on a nationally TV show would even think about doing anything to cylinder bores or the rest of the block without magging it first... makes you wonder.
Before there were software and computer nerds, there were automotive nerds. Love it.
The two overlap heavily these days.
Not only is it fun to watch these two, but, I love the passion in Pat. You can honestly see the "little kid" in him when he builds... TRUE GOAT show hosts.. Theses guys and Tommy are the only thing keeping me watching.
It’s nice to see an old Ford FE getting the treatment and putting out big numbers.
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This is a lesson for all of us engine builders, clean, then mag before machining !
Mom drove a 1964 Tbird convertable as a daily driver, and Mom did not drive slow. I reminded her that I almost died of fever in 1980 from the measles. Mom threw me into the Tbird, drove 100 mph on gravel, to the hospital, threw me into alcohol bath. 390 all the way baby.
@@bigboreracing356 No, we would have to stop because of cracked heads from overheating. Ford heads do not crack.
i would love to see this done to my 1965 ford thunderbird engine....its froze up currently...so...I'm going to have a rebuild done on it. great video.
"You know it's bad when the crank is lighter than the manifold" 😂😂😂
Yep and it's one thing to pull that intake off while the engine sits on a stand. Pull it off while leaning over a fender and you will discover muscles you didn't know you had.
That happen to me when I replaced the iron intake on my camaro
@@doughibbard8462 don't I know it
Those iron manifolds are no joke, they may be stronger, but they're a pain in the arse to pull off if you've still got the engine in the vehicle when you're trying to remove the manifold from the engine block
@@doughibbard8462 I always used a cherry picker.
@@doughibbard8462 The first time I tried to lift a manifold was on an old truck 390 I was yanking to go in a racing mud buggy I was building, I strained so hard I farted and almost shit myself trying to lift it up and out. Good times.
Man I needed you guys 18 years ago when I had napa rebuild my 390. All I was able to do was Street avenger holly 4 Barrel and Dual plane Elderbrock intake and headers . I learned a lot but it had no more power than before!!!! It was fun messing around with it. But Not worth it!
I've always like the 390 (or in this case a stroked 390) and the entire FE family. Underrated and undervalued unless it's a 427 or 428 which need no intro.
Expensive to get it stroked out. Other than that, they have great torque and sound mean even stock. I have a cammed 390, and I absolutely love it. Out of commission at the moment though. FE’s are very stout.
@@VeryOddTimes Drop in a 428 crank to bump it up to the old 410 spec, man what a TQ monster those were, to bad they only made em for a couple years.
@@BrockGrimes - Yup, 1966 and 1967. Had one of each. One went into my '68 Torino GT Sportsroof where a 390 once lived. Worked really well with the wide-ratio toploader. Man, I miss that one!
I'm new in the Automotive wold, now retired .I purchased a 1956 F-100 with a 351c .It runs hot with the original Radio when in traffic. Living on lift case, is there a recommended radio ? Cross flow electric fan combination .
@@BrockGrimes I want to put a 410 in a 65-56 Galaxie. Would be so much fun
Moral of the story: When the block is washed, you might want to magna flux it right afterwards. ;)
Great stuff as always.
I've always loved Ford FE V8's great engines and very durable .
390 Fords are an awesome engine, one of my favorites...and I am a MoPar guy.
Try the 460ci BBF, my favorite of all..
@@P71ScrewHeadmeh
@Coronet_shop The 460ci BBF clearly beats the 390ci BBF, but build what you like.. I put a top end kit on my P71 4.6L 2v..lol
@P71ScrewHead 460 would've a hard time against a 428 but cool 2v get a 4v though regret it myself
@Coronet_shop I'm already committed on the 2v, have the TFS 38cc top end, expensive..lol
Hands down the best show TH-cam. And the fact you build a 390 well that is near and dear to my heart. Was the first engine I ever built, and it was a ripper in my 70 torino👍
You swapped a 390 into a '70?
You guys are really putting those sell-outs at Engine Masters to shame. Good job 👍 and thanks!
Are you referring to the MotorTrend show Engine Masters?
Yes they are , but steve at west tech is a super nice guy.
Stupid comment
Idk man, papi freiburger is pretty lit
Someone is upset they can’t afford the 5 bucks a month MT.
Great job! I love to see those old FE come to life!
5:00 zinc bolt in the water port, to help slow down corrosion/rusting inside the block.
@Michael Madden Funny you can place zinc anodes on ships, bridges and steel docks it works just fine. So why wouldn't it work in this application.
@@danielemmons3513 It would probably need to be attached firmly to the block to make a good electrical connection rather than just sitting there...If it was even made of zinc. Zinc bolts aren't made of zinc. They are zinc plated, so there isn't very much zinc in them.
FE is the chemical symbol for iron... and this motor has a lot of it!
Actually the FE is lighter than Chevy's and Chrysler big blocks of the same time frame.
@@johnkendall6962 And a Caddy 500 is about 100 lbs lighter than the FE. about the same as a 350 Chevy with iron heads and intake. The FE is crying out for a Aluminum intake for sure! - Sandy
Actually an FE 390 with an aluminum intake and aluminum water pump weighs nearly the same as a 350 chevy...within 5 lbs... and I Remember losing money on that when I first started at the machine shop the old timers got me!
Go tigers
Great build! The Trick flow heads and intake are legit!
So cool seeing y'all break down that engine and show us all the wear!! Most shows just skip this part, but true gear heads love this stuff! Too bad the block was no good.
Just got a Ford Ranger from 68. Supposedly it's a 390. It was a 360 originally. Got this truck from family was my grandpa's then dads then uncles then dads once more now mine. Still in damn good shape and runs. But 40 years ago I blew that original up. Now before I'm dead I am going to fix it up for my son's baby. Thanks for the vid
My brother and I rebuilt a 390 many moons ago in his 68 fastback to which we encountered cracks in the valve galley in the same spot as well as more cracks in the lower crank case using magna flux and a special light to see the cracks better. We didn't need the light the cracks were relatively large and yet did not leak. Strange thing was that when we used torque plates on both decks and torqued the main caps, the cracks closed up and were barely visible. moving forward I always magna flux first before any machine work begins. That clock became an anchor somewhere in the Hudson River LOL. We found a true replacement engine complete on City Island's junk yard in the Bronx and after a check with the block number and head casting numbers it was out of a 69 Mustang and was a true 428 SCJ engine! We paid $500 for the engine. We had the heads rebuilt to stock and then I realized that the motor may be valuable so i rebuilt it back to stock with all stock parts. I did balance the reciprocating assemble and blue print it. Then we went back to the Bronx and found another one still in the car, which was a wrecked 68 Shelby GT500KR with a 428 SCJ!!! The car was completely destroyed so all we could get was the engine tranny, and rear. Keep in mind this was 1984. I rebuilt the motor, replacing most of the parts like in this video. The only difference, was we went full MSD ignition. My brother took some of the body parts we saved from the wreck and after visiting many swap meets we we converted his car into a 68 Shelby replica. He wanted the dual carb package which i didn't like because they are a pain in the but to synch and jet correctly even on a dyno, but i did it. The Holley 850DP made more torque and slightly less HP. I like the torque better for off the line power and a much better idle on the single carb. Compromise. The engine made similar numbers on the dyno albeit slightly higher. LOL I am a Corvette guy and love them and when I raced that car at the track with my small block 75 Corvette, it destroyed me and my car ran a respectable 13.7et at 105 in the traps. His car ran L88 Corvette numbers in the low 11s. 11.2 at 122 in the traps and redlined he told me. We changed the rear gearing from 456:1 to 411:1 and it made negligible difference. The car still screamed to the redline with a higher trap speed, but slightly slower time. We then changed the 4spd top loader tranny's gearing because it was ridiculous and that was the secret sauce to getting that car to be a beast at the track, stop light, and making it very streetable. That 428 makes an amazing roar down the track. Not many big block V8's sound as good. (392/ 426 Hemi Chrysler sounds the best imo) One other note, with the 456:1 rear and original top loader, traction bars, and Mickey Thompson slicks, when launching the front wheels lifted slightly off the ground. After sitting in his garage for almost 10 years due to my brother being unable to drive because of a serious injury, he sold that car to his friend and told him to check everything especially the fuel lines before driving it. He didn't and while driving it home a fuel line ruptured on the NJ Turnpike burning the car to the ground. It was completely destroyed. He junked it and I tried to get that drive train, but someone else beat me too it. All good, had a great time and after that, have great respect for Ford power, back to my Corvettes. LOL
I’ve had cars with the FE block. 332,352,390 and 428. Except for the 428, all motors lasted over 200,000 miles. The 428, I am the 5th owner and it has a bad crank. My 390 came out of a 1967 country squire. That car was passed down since new. It was in 2 accidents before I got it. It had fords automatic reverse. If you left the car running in park, WITHOUT the parking brake engaged, it would shift itself into reverse, and find the nearest telephone pole! The first problem I had was on a trip, it started to run hot. This was from not being able to get gasoline with lead in it. Then after using a lead substitute, I had trouble getting the 99. Octane that Sunoco used to sell. Then I had to get octane boost. (60 cents a bottle). Then one day while driving, I heard a loud bang. Mechanic said the frame broke. The frame had been straightened twice before I got it. I saved the motor and C-6 trans. I was going to put them in My 66 T-bird, the one with the 428. Lost my job and the money I had for the car went to my mortgage payment. Never had a good paying job since, so the T-bird with the 428, the 390 and C-6 trans are still in the garage.
The fierce look of Ford firepower in Pat's eyes 🤪🔥🙃
FE's are under appreciated. I would love this thing in a 70's F100/150 or a big boat Lincoln/Mercury.
Doing the same build for 64 Mercury Breezeway right now lol.
I just did a complete 390 ground up rebuild for my 1975 f100. I.m about 6k into the rebuild. Love it though.
@@jasonpoore7361 I have a 250 I want to rebuild a motor for and that price is what scares me. I feel like the same power could be had for a lot less with a Chevy :-(
@@stevenmyers2252 i had my block, line bored, punched .030 over, decked and rotating assembly balanced and it cost $1960. And i put the block together, with new rods, high compression flat top pistons, high vol oil pump, comp cam double roller chain, voodoo cam and lifters, edelbrock rpm alumn heads and intake, HEI distributer, 1 wire alt, Headman comp series headers, high torque starter, and block is studded. Running a 3core alumn radiator, two 12in electric fans, a trans cooler with 10in electric fan. And than i rebuilt the c6 with TCI master rebuild, red alto clutches and steels, hughes converter. I.m pretty sure i.m.missing some stuff. Lol but thats a big chunk of whats done.
@@jasonpoore7361 sounds like a great build. Sadly my truck will likely need other love and if it cost me 6k for the motor the other work would be years before it got done.
Nothing beats the sound of an FE block exhaust note. This video didn't do it justice.
idk, 440 mopars sound pretty evil too.
@@frigglebiscuit7484 My first car was a Charger with a 440 in it. Loved that car and that motor. Drove it for a few years and sold it to my boss who eventually killed himself in it by driving off the side of a mountain in the Ozarks.
I was a Tech for 40 years.Those old fords Looked Like that inside when i was 19 LOL
When I took auto mechanics at a tech college, someone brought in an old F100 with a 302 for us to rebuild the motor. It had a piston being held together only by the cylinder. He drove it to the shop.
My mothers Pontiac firebird looked like that on inside of motor. It had an oil leak and she put dollar store brand oil in it. LOCKED it UP !
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An engines an engine. No builder is a brand purist, ever. Any engine can be built to make power, and every engine can be neglected
@@heavylead1961 FTF = For The Fail!!
I've had a few of these in trucks. I built mine back in 2000 and I don't remember having all those choices for stroker cranks and heads. I ended up with a 428 crank in a 360 60 over block, so it's .020 under a 428. They make unreal torque right out of the box.
One thing about the FE and that heavy intake is that most people hate that, but it's actually an excellent design. The reason is that when you do an FE intake swap, you're changing more of the intake runner than with the BBC design. You look at the weight of the heads on a BBC, you see how nice it is to just change an intake and make that much difference.
I think Pat is the perfect fit for this show much more enjoyable to watch with him and man those are some great numbers for an ole FE
When I was working in a machine/engine shop I called that.....strip,boil,mill square,bore, hone,wash,plug and cam bearing.......AND THROW OUT !!! Happened more than once.....freeze cracks usually.
After one time when it took 3 engines just to get a usable block (Pontiac) I checked every block very carefully before any machine work.....and always tried to get a used but running engine that did not have water in the oil.....I rebuilt the 390 in my old Ford pickup......they were good engines....but the intake is a tank and the exhaust manifold bolts always broke trying to get them apart....rust.....For drag racing it was common to bolt a torque plate to the iron head. The end chamber valve seats could move when torqued on the engine.....428 CJ's.....same basic engine.....FE....
It's possible that that engine hasn't run since the '70s. I remember my grandfather telling me about engines using the old oils back in the '50s and early '60s after about 60k miles, he would tear them down and the entire valve cover would be just packed with material. It was impossible for any oil to really flow through it, which is why they would fail at such short mileage. He even remembered when he was young going to races way back in the day and the race cars would smell like a deep fryer because they used castor oil as lubricant. That's actually where the brand name Castrol comes from apparently. Oil tech has come a long way since then and it has just gotten better and better. You won't see sludge like that unless someone doesn't change the oil for 30k+ miles these days.
Man, I remember growing up watching the 1 guy on TV. Those shows started my path into becoming a specialized Fire Truck mechanic.
That engine was fine, rebuild for a basic truck application and it would live a long life. Sad it probably got scrapped
I love these old Ford rebuilds. Naturally aspirated. My dad had a 390 in his F250 that was stollen from us. Broke his heart.
May be a logging chain
Too the slab ....my friend. Kept his 289.
Sprint _& S & W ...close
NO drama just fact
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Gotta love the Ford FE engines.
If you like junk. Why clowns would put all that money and time into it is beyond me. 2 bolt mains cast crank pulling 600 hp that piece of junk should last about 20 minutes.
@@Tsalinger yeah man, "Just LS swap it!" Why would anyone want a built 390 in their galaxy 500... 🙄
Love them. Rebuilt a 360 into a 390 when I bought my F100. Thing could haul butt.
@@trythinking6676 A TH-camr Krankie V has a 66 F100 with a Cammed 390 FE and man it almost sounds like a NASCAR. Here's the Link below to see the videoth-cam.com/video/Vy8vMmx4WPs/w-d-xo.html
Agreed. Probably hit the nail on the head. If for no other reason, there is a special sound that only an FE can make...
No idea who these clowns are but THIS sound... lol
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When you said 445 my first thought was Godzilla! But you beat that with the power you got. I believe new 7.3 is 430hp and round 475 in torque. Nicely done
The advances made in automotive machining is impressive. Never would I have thought that you could do all the overboring with just a hone.
My mom gave me a 1965 Mercury Montclair with a 390 in it when I was 14 yrs old. That old car kept me outta trouble for atleast 3 yrs that I had it.
Man, I wish I had a shop full of high-tech machinery like you guys, and the know-how to use it!!!
It would've made sense to me to check for cracks before anything else after cleaning.
Definitely.
they even said lesson learned about that
They should have known that from all the other engines they sent off to the machine shop and have dealt with.
you work in a machine shop and do that you get your ass eat out
Standard procedure, and most definitely if it was siitin on the ground with no air breather and probably no pcv valve or oil breathers on the valve covers, come on boys!!?!🤭😆
I found all the timing sprocket teeth in my oil pan when I tore my 390 down.
. Fun to watch thank you!
My grandpa had a 390 in his '73 F100. I wanted to do something with that truck, but my cousin totaled it. Broke my heart.
Please do more rebuilds of the old FE's. It's much more interesting than just crate engines.
Well done, you geniuses! I love watching you.
FORD the ONLY AMERICAN car company !!! It’s nice to see a carbureted engine .
"Now why the hell would that be in the water jacket, it's a bumper bolt" 😄😄 This is giving me ideas for my 390 powered 69 Monterey 😊
I love the FE's. They have a sound all their own. They never seem to make huge numbers but they must average better overall than other engines because always perform at the track.
Nothing but FE's in all our trucks growing up. Nice to see them pull some good numbers. Expensive to build though... love them ol' iron FE's
"They're the engineers"............I'm crying cause I finally heard a technician say it!
I understand your feelings.
I mean, I'll trust an engineer on torque figures. Just don't let him design anything without adult supervision...
@@lukecoomer9349 LOL!
We trust race engineers more than factory engineers. To many times having to remove six parts because one bolt is partially covered to trust the factory guys anymore.
Thanks for showing the problems. Makes for real-world experience.
The first engine I took apart and rebuilt was a 352 block FE 360 in the 73 F100 farm truck I got for $500. 3 on the tree, manual steering, manual brakes. A real Armstrong truck. I rebuilt it in the apartment parking lot. Note every single compression ring was cracked bu it ran fine, I just dug into the engine because of oil coming out the straight dual exhaust (two black cicles on the brick of the apartment where I started it every morning). These FE engines were really hard to kill, but also.. it was hard to rebuild imo. Oh, it it always got 10 mpg no matter what. Lol. Sounded amazing with the straight duals though. I couldn't find an affordable aftermarket intake back then (early 90s), so I reused the stock one. Big mistake. The emissions stuff in the 73 intake was a problem..
This was a great informative vid. I would of liked to see the torque and power curve though. Those old FE's had tremendous potential for a low and broad torque curve!
One of your best episodes yet!
Had the same problem once with a 428 fe build, absolutely a devastating blow to your rebuild expectations
Really REALLY want you guys to bring this build back and test different styles of EFI induction. I built this damn near exact combo but I had the heads ported and polished and changed the valves. I’m also running a Holly efi set up but I’m looking to fabricate a sheet metal intake for a throttle body and run two injectors per cylinder as I’m leaning toward some form of forced induction, most likely a ProCharger. Running this almost exact set up in my 70’s grand marquis’s on 26’s lol I hit it with a 200 shot and dyno’d at 776hp and 881tq. If y’all can please bring this motor back.
Current prices for heads from TF, 2200/pair. Harland Sharp rockers, 940, intake is 549. Figure 4k for the top end, Eagle 445 stroker kit is 1800. You might build this engine for 8k but with carb, pushrods, cam etc, I imagine 9-10k is more realistic. Jegs has 460 crates, no intake or carb for 9800, 575/575 on power... just depends on your taste, FE or 485 series. I am a diehard FE fan, so it would be this setup for me
I been a Chevy guy for ever....... that’s a great build for 4 door sled sleeper to street race with. hmmm fun ride for sure
You fellows put on a good show! Love watching you work
a little add on to the tech tip early in the video, make sure your ring gaps are not on top of eachother, kinda set them in place like a pie being cut, each gap sections a third of the piston
I buzzed my 565 to 8600 and had no problem with piston speed
and I did this over a 6-year period of drag racing over 900 passes a year
Sometimes you dont see cracks until you have cleaned it thoroughly, we had this happen on a ford tractor from the 40s
That's a bummer about the original block. But I loved this episode. I hope yall use this motor in a future early 70's ford truck build. Good job !
I have a 69 390 FE in my 1960 Ford Thunderbird, it came from the factory with a 430 in it but that was blown up over 40 years ago, the 390 does the job but it would be great to find another 430 to put back in
Sad too see the original block had cracks in it. But great to see a upgraded Ford FE in action and those big inlet valves, wow.
That's a cool build for an old FE. it would look great in my 66 mercury M250
I love the FE motors my father had a 390 built for an RV situation and I had an original 427 long block. I would love to see this motor go into a pick up truck maybe like a 66,65, or 64
THAT is a GREAT idea!!!
I could never afford one, but that is my dream engine. I’m a real beginner and I’m having a real hard time getting the 352 in my grandpas old 66 f100 going and back on the road
Very Nice Job Fellas!!! Pretty big cam you utilized in this build!! I don’t know if it’s a low rpm stump puller, obviously not with the single plane intake and all, but she made very good HP!! The new Trick Flow heads are excellent bolt on parts!! Did you guys port match the intake? You might consider T&D rocker assemblies if you build another FE in the future, as the T&D design utilizes a ball/ball pushrod which can take valve spring pressure loads better than ball/cup pushrods! Pivot angles are much better! Again!! Nice build!! Good choice on the valve covers too!! Keeps the originality and history of the original motors!!
Wow always bad enough looks first so you don't waste your time looks like the water froze in the block at one time I love how core plugs got changed in freeze plugs people actually thought the plugs would pop out when the water started to freeze but once the water freezes it ain't raining out it's already Frozen it just keeps expanding as temperature goes lower. I've built quite a few of these engines I love modifying them.
No latex gloves for the old school guy 😄. I love your videos and content. Thumbs way up!!
Dolan Duck yes she is
They used to put a zinc bolt, or something similarly large and zinc in the chamber to prevent galvanic corrosion in the coolant system. An old school trick to keep the coolant system reliable.
Love the FE content. Very cool !
I can smell the Quaker state varnish from here in that old girl 🤣
and now Quaker State and Penzoil are 2 of the best engine oils you can buy.
@@zuestoots5176 Quaker State / Pennzoil is now owned by Shell which has always made good products.
How do you know it's a girl 🤔?
ROFLMAO 🤣
No valvoline vr-1 is the best.
There's more HP in it.
See nosedive at 6000?
Valve float?
In the late 70's I had a '64 Merc with a 390. I worked that poor thing into a grave. The valve would float around 6400 and make a "blort" sound. Some of my buddies had engines with 2" strokes, so the big V8 with a 4" stroke was moving the pistons the same distance as if their engines were turning 12,800. That engine made it to 180,ooo on the clock before it burned so much oil that I had to replace it. Hey, at least it cured the mosquito issue!
Sometimes that valve float is like a limiter to keep the rods from coming off.
I think Pat needs more pens and screwdrivers in his shirt pocket 😂
the sheer volume of bullshit in his pocket makes me wonder if it's just scripted in there, a pen and a screwdriver in single digits would suffice.
Now, does he have a pocket protector?
@@indyrock8148 That's known as a "nerd pack"!
TV repairman
They knew that blocked was cracked already. They did that on purpose to be a teaching moment. I can't believe anyone on here would fall for that!
Just got a 390 from my dealership for free! super excited to see this video :D
Great build. Would love to do similar build for an 68 xl 390. Do you have a parts list breakdown and total cost for the build. I am guessing past the $10k area. Also what fuel were you running on the Dyno? Would like to see numbers on 93 pump fuel....
Thanks
Here some trivia On the FE camshaft , between the cam bearings the lobes have taper going one way and the other way to help keep the cam centered so yo do not have to worry about cam drift ( only on hyd and solid lifters). I know because I did cam grinding for a cam manufacturer.
FE blocks were really bad about cracking in the lifter galley. Working in an engine machine shop for a number of years in the late 80's-early 90's I threw away easily 80% of the FE blocks that came in because of cracking. The only FE displacement that never ended up in the junk pile was 428 CID.
Are you using Survival Motorsports for parts? The varnish and crud is something I've always seen in a Ford. We built 454 Fords for a local Dirt track racer in high school. How was that possible? A 427 block with a 428 crank, and a .030" overbore makes 454 cubic inches. We used tunnel port heads on this customers engines and he was dominating the local track.
Later on down the road when I was working for a mom and pop Auto Parts and Machine Shop, we built a 390 for a customer. Things went great until it was time to prime the oilpump. The Machinest ran the drill while I spun the motor over with a breaker bar and things went well, until they didn't. The Machinest forgot to put oil deflectors on the rocker arms, and when the pressure came up, he got a shower of 30 weight. I got a little bit dowsed, but my boss was cool and gave me a T shirt to replace the shirt that got ruined.
I get all tingly too over ford motors. Welcome to the club chevy guy
Awesome 👍🏾👍🏾 next time clean and crack teste the block before machining, looking forward to seeing more projects the same 👍🏾👍🏾
So basically the Original Engine was completely replaced lol!
Every Junk Yard LS Build Ever.
Its a junk yard ls making 900hp.......After a block from Texas Speed and 2 big ass turbo's
the 445 is a great engine we are building one now for our drag car
+Zues Toots The stock iron block LM7 5.3 can handle 900hp.
I believe they reused the lifter valley pan and the distributor hold down clamp. LOL
With another old fe block
This was so pleasing to see. Thanks guys
Good to see Pat still at it. He was my instructor at SAM
I have a 67 ford f100 with a 390, bore to 406. It's got a top loader trans that needs some works. Needs a good engine rebuild too but 💸💸💸
Ive inherited my grandfather's old 73 F100, used to ride that truck with him when i was little, been meaning to give the old girl a good fixing, the engine actually seems in good condition and it is a 390, but the bad thing is that it hasn't moved for the better part of the last 20 or so years, so I am a little afraid it might be worse than what it actually seems
This was a golden opportunity to invest in a big bore aftermarket block! Still cool to see something the average joe can build
shed make a damb good sled puller. nice to see a ford fe get those big rpms. enjoyed dis one,,
This is the most informative auto channel, thank you!
Let's be honest, that is now a completely different engine and not a rebuild but still enjoyed watching it.
God how I would love to spend a day learning from Pat Topolinski, the man is such a wealth of knowledge.
I think Mike should be the one doing the pulls, Pat looks super pissed at the helm 😂
Yeah Amish Mike does look happy when pushing the joystick
Bolt was in the water jacket to act as an anode, probably zinc coated, it’s a softer metal so the electrolysis that happens will attack the bolt and not the block
I put a 390 FE in my 69 f 250. It was a torque beast.
I got a 66 390 in the barn I've been meaning to build one of these days and find something to put it in