Building an All-Aluminum, Fuel Injected FE Ford (with a Carroll Shelby Block!)
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
- In the '60s and '70s, the FE was Ford's designated racing engine. It won races in NASCAR, LeMans and drag racing, and we're building an updated, all-aluminum FE with electronic fuel injection and a sweet Borla Induction stack injection setup. This FE is machined, assembled and dyno'ed by Prestige Motorsports in Concord, NC, and it has to be the ultimate engine for any Cobra or GT40 replica build.
Here's the link to view the video on the Ford Y Block Build: • The Engine That Replac...
A cool build of an almost completely stock Ford 427 FE: • Monster Ford 427 Top O...
Engine Builder: Prestige Motorsports -- www.prestigemo...
We're constantly uploading great new videos. Please subscribe so you won't miss out!
www.youtube.com...
MORE INTERNET GOODNESS:
Website: www.horsepowerm...
Facebook: / horsepowermonster
Instagram: / horsepowermonster
I’m a Chevy guy but when it comes to the fe engines you have to give your respects one of the greatest engines ford put out
I don't mind giving props where they're due, I just wish people would quit with the, this is the best or this is better then that stuff. They all made some awesome engines. And this is a real beauty.
@@sparkplug1018This block, when equipped with the SOHC heads was as big of a monster as anything made at the time and still pretty amazing by today's standards.
It was all right it's still one of my favorites but the 385 series is better as far as being able to get power and reliability The thing that made this engine so great is from the factory completely assembled with cast iron manifolds and intake it was still a 650 lb motor instead of like 750 like a big block Chevy which ironically is a much better breathing engine with open shared heads
My dad was a chevy guy we ran a machine/repair shop together back in the day i love both but always considered myself a ford guy, my brother is mopar mad, in all honesty ive grown to love all three because of their ability to always be competitive with each other
All 4 American car companies made some amazing bad ass iron. I love FEs because we kicked Ferrari's arrogant ass with them. FE stood for "Fairlane engine" and was a luxury car's motor before Ford realized the "Y" block design was able to hold together at high HP and high RPMs. Yes the BBC makes more power per dollar than an FE but if you have the cash these engines with the right heads (Cammer) were the top dogg! Man I miss the proud days of Detroit muscle.
Whoever is shooting, directing and editing these Horsepower Monster videos deserves a lot of praise. Little to no obnoxious heavy metal music, great lighting, interesting and illuminating tight shots, excellent narration, and great editing choices. Watching the tech struggle with hand fitting piston rings before shaking his head and giving up, then using expanding pliers, made me laugh for a good minute. Great job.
Thanks so much! It is always nice to get positive feedback. And thanks for watching!
I dont mean to be offtopic but does someone know of a tool to log back into an Instagram account??
I somehow forgot my login password. I would love any help you can give me
@Dallas Jayden Instablaster :)
@Kye Sullivan thanks so much for your reply. I got to the site through google and I'm in the hacking process now.
I see it takes a while so I will get back to you later with my results.
@Kye Sullivan It worked and I now got access to my account again. Im so happy:D
Thank you so much you saved my account!
I've put together a few Ford 427's in my life but looking at this engine block, crank, rods.....you name it and I feel like I was working with junk compared to this. The ones I build were side-oilers and were top-of-the-heap in their day.
I’m 68, went to Ford tech training program during H.S. in Los Angeles 69-71. Always been a fan of the FE. This looks like a great build and should be in a 64 F100.
I love that intake and capstan throttle. I remember the old Indycar 289's with the Webers bolted directly to the heads (Bobby Unser won in 68 using this). This engine is beautiful just like that. Awesome build!
Unser's car was powered be a turbo Offy in 1068.
1968
Ford did build a competitive V-8 thing it was a joint venture between Ford & Cosworth
You guys are choking this thing out! With this combo you could easily push 800+ HP. Give her some lift and induction, this baby would spin!!
The first engine I helped work on was a 390 FE. My father is a huge fan of Ford and taught me very early on. He has had a few 390's. Today he still has a 410 FE which was a Mercury engine with a Comp cam and a 4 barrel Edelbrock carburetor.
I love the attention to detail on this engine build good work Prestige!
Man, if I could just touch that engine, I'd never wash my hands again!!! That thing's a work of art. I've built (3) side-oilers in 427 configuration but they were nothing like this thing! Love that "Weber look-alike" injection intake......I built a Chevy with 42 DCOE's years ago and when you whacked open those side-drafts that engine would just MOAN.....whadda sound. Guys would pull me over just to look at that cross-ram intake. Listening to them was better than love.......!
When I was 8n High School our shop built 454’s, a 427 block with 428 crank and tunnel port heads. They were for a local dirt track racer and those motors kicked butt all season long!
Tunnel port heads were wicked. My dad had a 427 with them. 12:1 and it sent his 56 ford down the 1/4 in 11.63 with .500 lift cam. No roller rockers or anything.
Love the classic iron. Keep old engines alive!
Its alu, not iron :D
@Lex Riordan if its brow - its clay, if its blue - its shit. Right? :)
W. T. F.
My God what a torque curve.
For an old dinosaur they were not only powerful they took a ton of abuse even in their stock form from the factory. all 10:1+ compression versions made good power for their era. Seen many sit on rev limiter or near for minutes at a time and keep on a running. You look at gm's modern Ls there's similarities that a builder can't deny.
Great video. I was drooling thinking of this motor in my 67 Mustang instead of the mild built 460. Maybe if I hit the lottery..... someday. Cheers from Motown.
Slap a set of Kaase p-51 heads on the 460.
Probably good for 100 hp
It's a Mustang. Put Kaase's Boss Nine heads on it.
You guys are like powernation, but with cooler builds. No hate to powernation, they just always do big block chevys
Hey, thanks a lot! And thanks for watching!
Only one thing I would have done different. I would have used a Cleveland intake manifold adapter. There's a much larger selection of manifold choices for Clevelands including a tunnel ram like you used, AND if you ever needed to take the intake back off you wouldn't need to disassemble part of the valve train.
This would pull my trailer nicely...
Oh how I would love to have that baby in a Ford GT 40. Yah, blue with white strips -American racing colors!
A fine power assembly!
Prestige Motorsports knows their business. They build some awesome engines.
Thanks a lot sir!
Prestige built my stroker 302 to 500 hp. Real Deal
Block 4500+ , rotating assembly 3500 or so. Heads 2200 or so and the list goes on. Yeah its worth it You should see them run.
Well, for well over 10 grand, it SHOULD run well. Personally, I think that it is
too much for a street motor that only makes 500 hp. Yeah, it's pretty, but I
would prefer more power over a "prettier" and a more reliable engine.
I guess it depends on whether this is a serious "street" motor or a "poser".
Weslake heads on shelbys 289 put out 689 ponies on his cobra. Amazing stuff
I seen a Shelby program on t.v. while back n old man Shelby said that was is favorite set up for cobra's but Ford wanted to use those bigger fe engine, Shelby said big engine had to use big brakes big trans big everything then cobra weight to much then messed up handling n traction!! Small 289 engine was all cobra ever needed to beat up on every European car!!
@@scottyjones27 1: the Weslake-heads was not an option in 65/66 2: it was not Shelby or Ford that decided this but Holman-Moody CA US who rebuilt the GT40 into the MkII
That block is a bad ass piece
Absolutely beautiful video, well narrated
Thanks very much, and thanks for watching!
The Horsepower Monster : Gracious thankyou for sharing. Its not all about Dolly Parton attributes on the Torque and Power curves and what not. Its about the shear enjoyment of how a nice aluminum FE 482 with steel liners will go together and just last a lifetime in a the owners ride. The Vertical and Horizontal are controlled by the bill payer, and its awfully easy to mess up an alloy engine. Prestigue did the hard part. Incidently, I remember being critical about power figures on a 200 Ford six with Classic Inlines head. Now I realise what a jerk I was seeing how I responded to the 501 hp gross at 5400rpm figure. Sorry. We all need to realise the bill payer makes that choice. Not Us!
Thanks to your channel and Prestige.You can tell the care and quality put in to everything.Great job!
"Hey how much does one of those things retail?"
"More than you can afford, PAL"
Not a Ferrari
If you have a real job it's no problem !😉
Horsepower has improved greatly! Beautiful engine and interesting build, haven't seen any of their programs that I haven't liked since I started watching it again. Good job.
I would put a VictorEFI and a 78/ 75 to 82 VS billet turbo fo have a daily driver 15 lbs of boost and 1015 hp. That’s what I want!
When i was real young, am 57, i was chevy. Then guy pulled up in back alley with a hot car.... Whats that car? Its a 69 roadrunner built 400hp 383 etc... I never heard of mopar or Chrysler stuff. I was bit by the mopar bug. Still love mopar. Got out of car stuff for some years and when you observe from different perspective, you learn to appreciate things you ignored. I was a ford hater then! But i got back into cars and love them all! Ford, chevy, mopar, Buick, Pontiac etc. All American muscle! Ford makes some badass engines and the FE is a very pretty looking engine! I love the 427! Give me a 67 fairlane with a 427 please!! 👍
Anyone else catch the gasket slipping off place at 1:12? Lol
Yeah, they obviously came back and fixed that, I just didn't show it. Thanks for watching
@@TheHorsepowerMonster new subscriber love your channel awesome builds! Please keep them coming!!
@@andrewgonzalez8324 Thanks for the kind words!!
Oops
Hahaha, yeah I caught that one!
Cool motor, especially with the ITB!!
I like the old school look. And how clean the set up is.
I built a a 445 fe stroker for my 65 Hallett Flat bottom V drive for a bunch less than half the price of this one I bet. And It flywheel dynoed 584 HP @ 5600 and 591 ft lbs at 4200 rpm. I used a 74 FE 360 truck block , forged crankshaft and H beam rods with summit pistons , ported Edelbrock heads I bought used but in great shape and a old Street master intake and Holley 850 cfm carb and a Comp Cams 268 H cam. There's nothing left on the table with the parts being used giving every drop of HP & torque they can provide. But it's how the tuning , porting and minor details involved that made the thing a wicked NA Ford FE. I took the advice of a Older Drag racer with decades of Squeezing everything from a FE they could give. It's smart to pay attention to those who paved the way for the rest of us
All eight butterflies......beautiful.
FE! Absolutely beautiful
Love watching these builds!
Thanks!
My brain: cool build and totally get it but the intake seems pretty mismatched from a powerband emphasis point of view
My heart: OH YEAH ITBs BABY YEEHAW
i just love the fe block putting a 390 in my high boy i like the part about not needing to not power break it i had a 396 in a nova and a guy tells me to power break it i just said y hurt my breaks so i gave it 3/4 throttle and i was just sitting there laying rubber sad part was i had a factory paint job and vinale top yeh that went good rubber every were burnt rubber doesn't come off paint and vinale very well
These blocks are cast alum. Kirkham alum blocks are from a 380 lb alum slab and after cnc weight is 64lb.
This engine does look great.
I remember the all aluminum engines of the late 60's and 70's.. what a troublesome machine some of them were especially if you got them to hot.. Damn what a bitchen looking mill you got there brother! thanks this was fun!
tinkmarshino ; How on earth do you overheat an all aluminum engine?
@@cobracharmer6178 it was done.. you would have to ask the designer.. but it doesn't seem all that hard to me.. aluminum heats quickly and if you do not dissipate the heat it will warp and distort easily.. ever try to weld aluminum? I have and do.. give it a try you will see just what I am talking about.. But I do see your dilemma it does kind of seem counter productive considering all the aluminum parts we use today.
I need one of these in my life
Beautiful intelligent build which will make great, long living power and absolutely yank a lightweight vehicle down the road like a shot out of a cannon. Outstanding!💪
loool if you think this is an intelligent build... shoulda made WAAAY more power, this is typical lego builders and buying the most expensive stuff that looks cool
@@narmale - Exactly why it’s an intelligent build. Way more power than needed for what it’s going into and because it’s not a max power build it will live forever.
@@cavscout62 its going to live forever because it wont be driven but a few hundred miles a year if that... the seals are going to dry rot before they are worn any
Clean shop, clean build, can’t ask for more
Don't get me wrong ... I love this engine. But it seems a very expensive way to make 500 horsepower.
That's a beautiful engine. I would be proud to put that in my Chevy! 😁
There is not a chevy chassis on the planet worthy... 😒 And it surely won't fit your cavalier.
@@salvadordollyparton666 Don't be mad at me because you drive a Hyundai. It will fit Nice in my 2wd 94 Silverado. I'm just deciding on what transmission I'll be using.😎
My dad had a 1950 Ford truck that he pulled the 4-cylinder out and put a 352 Cleveland in it and had that truck for years and then sold it I miss that truck it was cool
I think that is the most beautiful engine! Will it fit in my Focus?
All it takes is money
Full drivetrain conversion to FR configuration or put it in the middle.
Enough j.b weld it will fit perfectly.
When I was a Tail Gunner, we would have Fighter Intercepts with F-106's... Speedy airframe.
@@thomasfisher2879
B-52 i presume? The Six is my favorite jet fighter
Insanely smooth sounding for a V8
My dad was an FE man. He had several 427s. And they were a bitch to sell after he died. This is one expensive engine.
Did it take awhile for someone to buy them?
@@87DAM1987 yeah. And I had to sell them for significantly less money. One engine only had a couple hours running on it. I let it go for way cheap. Just a few thousand.
I have had and built for others several FE motors and love them also like the 385 monster cubes motors too. Latest project is putting a Kasse head 598 in a 98 Mustang GT
I had a 67 Fairlane 500 with a 390 backed up with a C6, I loved that car. Rebuilt the motor from the ground up into a GT and it hauled that heavy chassis without breaking a sweat. Originally I thought that the stroke was too long but grew to appreciate how it curved the power band at the (relatively) higher RPM range - FE blocks aren’t famous for their hi revs. Down shifted too hard, punched it and blew the crankshaft right out of the bottom. Took a big chunk of the block with the crankshaft regardless of the “cross bolt” mains. It was a phenomenal failure but I’m still a fan of this engine 👍
390 didn't have cross bolted mains. Only later 427s. I've built many Fe engines from 332-428 and have gotten 7000 rpm out of a hydraulic cam 428 with 300 degrees of duration and 520 lift and stock non-adjustable factory rockers. Had 3 holleys from a 406 and it made my 500hp coyote mustang feel sick. 7000rpm big motors make serious power for street use and this thing was in a 68 Falcon. At one time I had a single 850 with f427b intake on it with a 150 shot and although quick it was no match for the 3x2 Holley setup. That setup was king on the street. Built my last Fe last summer at CMS racing engines. Customer wanted solid cam so he bought so cheap roller rockers,all FEs are shaft but these wouldn't line up with the valves correctly being of Chinese origin evidently,it cost him more in the work I had to do in milling,shiming, checking position and clearance than if he had bought good ones to start with. We tried to tell him but he wanted to save money and wound up spending more and got inferior parts. . I think the weakest link in these engines are the stock oil pans and lack of oil volume because they have a starvation problem in during hard acceleration and cornering from oil leaving the pickup. A good pan and these engines are as tough as any and can make obscene power if you know the right combination.
Awesome components and a beautiful looking engine. Perfect specs for the application.
awesome setup love those stacks..
I put one of these in my ERA Cobra when I built it in 2003.
All aluminum Shelby block & aluminum Shelby ported heads with a stroker crank (468 cid) and Crower 300+ degree solid lifter cam plus dual 600 CFM Holleys on a Tunnel Wedge intake.
The Cobra weighs 2,300 lbs and makes 600+ HP.
Have to be wearing Depends when the 2nd Holley opens up on the progressive linkage!!
😲.... 😳..... 🤯
😁
You're not trying to be a story topper...are you?
Doesn't sound right to be running on 1 carb & using the 2nd as your secondaries.
Should be running both pairs of primaries & having the secondaries of both carbs open when needed. I've done a few.
azmike1956, I had 3 -2 barrels on a competitive import many years ago and it was progressive linkage. Whole dif car and motor but, I think that set up was quite effective.
@@BuddyRHS1965 great setup if dialed in.
Good mileage & performance too.
@@azmike1956
It runs on the front carb's primaries until about 1/3 open, then the progressive/slide linkage starts to open the rear carb's primaries. Carbs have vacuum secondaries with very light springs....so they open up quickly!
Hang on!!!
Larry built my pops a small block mopar back when he had his own shop in St. Peters, MO. Good to see he's still building engines. I still have one of his Broekers engines stickers on my fridge
My old Galaxie would like that build.
Great videos, love to watch your Pro's assemble, very informative. A couple of questions, issues. Why a solid roller on an engine that peaks at 5400? Also, Edelbrock's for Fe's (esp. unported) aren't that great and are choking that motor. On such a high end build why not use a good head? ie: Survival, Bear Block, TFS, Shelby? Sorry, but 500hp out of a 482" FE with all that expensive hardware is kinda weak IMHO.
kinda? its VERY weak... this motor should make 800+
we run a 427 clevor with CHI heads that blows this thing outa the water at all points, torque, HP and millage... you shoulda known by the thumbnail they dont know what they are doing, harland sharp rockers on a 7500 block?
I kind of got the impression that they were overbuilding the entire engine for reliability, they mentioned they weren't looking for all out horsepower.
Well it is a Ford lol!
@@Matt44magnum44Yes, the Ford that won Lemans 4 times.
My bone stock Side Oiler with Medium riser heads was OK in my Contemporary Cobra but when I went with a 408 Dart with AFR heads and showed 615 HP on the dyno I was pissing all over those Fe side oilers. BTW many Cobra racers say the 351 and its bigger brothers are the best performing engines in a Cobra. You can find all the Fe Cobras you want at any car show but the racers are running small blocks on the track.
And its a FORD
I wish this build had CNC ported heads it would have been over 600 HP with no down side.
It would have seen 575 hp with AFR heads, unported.
Yeah there is so much more power left in this build
It wasn't a max effort build.
😒
Sure there is, it's called "higher rpm" to achieve a little more power. How does more rpm and higher peaks fit into the plan when you are building for lower rpm and torque?? You do realize bigger heads require more rpm don't you?
That is a Beautiful piece of Tech! I was glued to the Screen for the Build! What would a Build like that cost Me?
Pretty good numbers for the small cam. 👍
I love the blooper @ 15:30 ...watch that gasket! =D
WOW...DREAM ENGINE NICEST PARTS EVER 529TQ TIRE BURNER thanks for vid!
Great video and great tips. I would have used a Kaase head and intake combo as John gets way more HP out of an FE than this build did. FE's are quirky. Set up right and they rock. One oops and they are turds. I'd want this short block with superior heads and intake. After all if the short block will hold together the magic is in the heads/intake. More airflow (with fuel obviously) more power.
Thanks for the kind words
I hope you gave the side oiler intake port on the blockside a decent radius, as the C.S. aluminum block had none, and caused cavitation above 5000 rpm. I worked in what Carroll called his secret service. ( R&D )
Another superb presentation!!!
Thanks a lot!
Really nice looking engine and block the only thing I thought let it down was the Heads not being ported they looked very average castings and a head gasket looked a bit cheap and nasty I would’ve opted for a multilayered head gasket Other than that really nice build
The FE I may go in to say, the best sounding cammed motor ever made, just phucin hardore power
i know they know what theyre doing but, i screamed when he impacted the rod caps.
I swing both ways, Chevy or, Ford. They both have legendary stats. Both American made. No need to choose one. Choose both. Anyways this really is an extraordinary build. And very "detuned". This little monster in its hottest configuration would make more than triple this power.
Awesome engine 💪💪👍👍👍👍👍👍
Outstanding video, engine and build. Tnx
Thanks a lot! And thanks for watching
Not porting those heads was absolutely criminal. That motor needs way more head than it has. The owner spent all that money and got a good running Windsor instead of a fantastic FE.
Saw that. Especially on intake side. When the shot of runner was shown I automatically thought " I would at least clean that ridge up. Gonna kill flow & therefore power
It does sound good I must say 👍
Man I'd love to have this in my 82 GT. If only i had the money lol.
I'd luv to have motor like that in my Australian Ford AU LTD(1999)
I know I'm not going to sound nice, but.
Looking at that dyno graph shows that the power is lower than torque which is an indication of a mild engine. Yes I know it's meant to be mild but I bet the missing 50 to 60hp to level the graph out would be in some good gead work.
When you're building an alloy block why wouldn't you get the heads hand ported and a good valve job?
The FE is the best engine I have ever built. They can be expensive if you make them that way, but I can do a stroker kit FT block at 4.125 bore and 4.25 stroke and a good set of Trick Flow , BBM, Survival, ported Edelbrock and the right cam you can get 650 hp . If it sonics good enough you can get a 4.15 bore. 461 ci and 700 hp if you can control it.
1:14 lol that gasket
Now im building 2 427s... one stock 63' 8bbl and a 68' that came from a boat.
Love to have this Fe in my 69 xl rag top. What a dream
😁😁😁😁😁 ITB's 😁😁😁😁
What an engine build $$$.
Great to see the dyno with all the accessories in place. That's a real number.
Still surprised it makes peak power so low in the rev range? imagine if it had a cam to let is sing past 7,500RPM!!
7500 rpm will introduce reliability issues with the valve train. All aluminum construction has some drawbacks. Thermal expansion being one of them.
@@reallifehardtruth4465 aluminum isn't a problem because the block and heads are both aluminum. Block is good past 1000 hp. Have to set the lash hot.
@@reallifehardtruth4465 Aluminum blocks are tough as hell. Production Teksid modular blocks are handling 2,500+hp in Pro 10.5 trim.
The venerable FE bb Ford v8 is a good base for HP build!!
Hi from up in Greensboro....great vid,awesome engine too!
So beautiful
1:16 watch that gasket, chiefy
LOL, our stock heads and block v12 jag made 500 with just weber downdraughts on, headers, and ran 9.90's in a Cobra, 10 years ago
Have to love those old V12 jaguar engines, built many E Types super smooth.
Good points to know!
In case you didn't notice, the Fe Ford engine is also a Y block design. Just like Chrysler engines are. At least the Big Blocks. As are the ls Motors and I believe the new LT but I'm not certain of that.
Definitely needs more cylinder head imo but is indeed a torque monster though
Thanks..
Imagine that thing with some serious head 🏁
Spend that kind of money on the block and use Edelbrock cylinder heads? Medium riser casting with 428 valves? No high Riser or Tunnel Ports?
Very nice.
Great video and great production, just really wish you told us what its gonna be dropped in....Cobra? Mustang?
THAT WAS AWESOME FORD FIRST ON RACE DAY, MOPAR NEXT SORRY gmc,chevy YOU DON'T CUT THE MUSTARD HA HA LOL
So Nice .
Approx how much did this engine cost to build all-in?
I'm guessing ... I'd bet it was in the 20 - 25 thousand ball park ... ????
@@tednewcomb1048 You can get a boss 9 (I think 509 ci) for around 20k from Jon Kaase engines, hemi head cammer.
My '69 Shelby GT350 had enough horsepower. I got a ticket ($15) just from starting off easy from a light, even though the Cops were sitting in a restaurant drinking coffee and didn't even see me!
That’s what I’m talking about 👌
Great video loaded with adds