How to Make HARD Levels! - Super Mario Maker 2 Level Design
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 มิ.ย. 2024
- How do you make your Super Mario Maker 2 Levels harder without making the player rage? In this video I show you how to make hard levels using Super Mario Maker 2 Level Design principles; as well as how to implement a difficulty curve that keeps the player engaged and willing to beat your course.
I make weekly educational Super Mario Maker 2 videos. Be sure to check out this ongoing playlist of my Super Mario Maker 2 Level Design series.
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Making hard levels is way easier than making good levels. Mario Maker 2 difficulty is tricky because every has their own skillset. This video should help flesh out any course you're having trouble nailing down that perfect difficulty curve.
If you're looking for some inspiration, check out my Item Breakdown series. I am breaking down every single item in Super Mario Maker 2, going over their properties, and finding interesting ways to use them in our own levels.
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Something I could've explained better is that a *TARGET AUDIENCE* is not the same as your *GENERAL AUDIENCE* .
It's essential to have a clear idea of who you're making something for so that person can feel like it's made for them. There will be outliers, and this is a *good thing* .
Just because you don't fit the description in this video doesn't mean I don't welcome you!
Tobias Bergdorf I make courses that are anywhere from 2% to 50% clear rate. Mostly I just focus on creating fun courses that are fair for the player!
@@Arrowstotle That's the best way to do it! By the way keep up the good work on your channel.
Tobias Bergdorf Thank you! Your channel is one of the biggest inspirations for me. I really appreciate your content!
My courses are mostly around 0-10 %, and have no trolls. I Dont like trolls myself, thats Why. I do like a challenge though and making my stage look good. Id like to see a video where you explain How to make a good story stage or How to make a music level (as i have Done both, and would like to see How you would target them)
With these guidelines and theories you set in mind, it would be interesting to stack them against shared levels to see how well a level is. I personally try to emulate the difficulty curve in some of my levels, and I would love to see how well they stack and how and where to improve.
I make my levels for humans, generally.
"Generally"
Unfortunately, no. Only humans.
@@latlat5770 sometimes :)
So GLaDOS can't Play them!?
BlueSteem I Gaming PORTAL
I’m a 16 year old living in the UK and now I feel excluded
C-Grn sorry man :(
Same boat, here.
Let's rebel together.
I dont even speak english!
i live in brazil and 12 yrs old
I feel ya man
@@joaoedu1965 you do speak english
Sorry, I’m not an 18-35 year old living in the United States. Unsubscribed, disliked, good riddance.
Lol
Same here I’m 13 and in the uk
I am younger than 18 and I live in Italy
im actually older than that audience but I fit most of your other target. i studied game design when I was in my 20's and studied drawing, painting and animation so I definitely am in the creative side.
@@claudio-maker2943 anche io
Liking that new editing. Very dark, glitchy and overall mysterious. Suits you well
He's dark and glitchy?
"Dark editing"
The video: cheerful music on the background that makes me feel *Ecstatic*
It seems that the people you make content for don't know what a comment section is lol.
-isnt an 18-35 or male
-doesnt live in us
-speaks french
and english i guess but whatever
-DOES have a passion for video games
dang, you got me
heccing mind reader over here
I speak french
I'm less than 18 year old
I live in france
But I like video games and I am creative
I'm the only french here you little canard
Im dutch but i also speak english im under 18 and too much personal info bye
Hey stop copying me
Comme moi !
Y'a plein de français dans la communauté Mario Maker internationale...
I'm 12 years old.
I'm Italian.
I live in Italy.
I love your videos.
Oh ma ciao
@@Ranboso Ciao, italiano carissimo
@@justarandomguy8068 sono maschio
@@Ranboso Lo so
Love the analogy that troll levels are like puzzles. Couldn't figure out why I liked them but now I know lol
Hey im spanish! I started watching you since last week and i love your videos! Thank you for all this incredible time
I started when nintendo said that their gonna reveal super mario maker 2 lol😂
Hi Spanish
Has english speaking channel
"His audience is u.s. dudes"
While me:
*Laughs in russian*
Я тоже, брат х)
*Joins laugh in Finnish*
*chuckles in Czech*
Me: Huehuehues in brazilian portuguese
Me: don't laughs in german
1:10 nothing of this is me 😂
1:10 I know what you're trying to do, Tobias. You're trying to make us write in the comments our actual nationality and age. But jokes on you! I saw right through your little game
I've been got!
I would’ve say that on a poll
@@TobiasBergdorf rip grammar
@@boot-cs3sn RIP diction/lecsis.
I don't live in USA but in France lol
Edit : I love SMM2 English videos because the French SMM2 video aren't the best imao
@@glowsham rpz
Donc tu est fr ?
@@zulianfr oui pourquoi je mentirais ?
@@adrien3295 non je demandais juste.
1 important part of difficulty balancing is checkpoint placement a few good places are
A. as a reward for completing a particularly tough task.
B.right before the climax.
C. As preperation for a tricky challenge
This helps add more leniency while keeping the difficulty in tact and makes sure the player doesn't have to do anything they already mastered. But if you more care about making short bursts of challenge Allah super meat boy no checkpoints is more ideal
I think this might be your best video yet! The editing was really good and the video itself was well said.
I'm your biggest fan and I'm an Aussie LUL
Good stuff man. I've definatly improved on my level making skills. Keep up the good work 👌👍
I just recently bought Mario Maker and you know me exactly how I feel That's awesome dude
Sorry but your content is so delightful that even french people are watching it. (I'm serious, I love what you are doing on this channel)
Great video, very useful. Kinda short but it delivers the essentials
Great video! Love reading the comments, it’s so cool to see people from all over the world ( and age rang) connecting together with a common interest . Awesome 😎
hey Tobias thanks for making this lv. I had made my first lv a month ago and after that I got addicted to creation mode and wanna make a hard fun challenging course. :) like your content by the way they come in handy.
Difficulty Ratings:
Auto
Easy
Normal
Expert
Super Expert
Kaizo
Extreme Kaizo
Super Ultimate Extreme Kaizo
PangeaPanga
This is... accurate.
Auto
Easy
Normal
Harder Normal
Expert
Super Expert
Troll
Kaizo
Troll Kaizo
Hotel
Trivago
Auto
Music
Trash
Autoscroll (Slow)
Autoscroll (Medium)
Easy
Normal
Multiplayer Co-op
Quiz
Tough Trash
Multiplayer Versus
Expert
Autoscroll (Fast)
Starter Kaizo
Super Expert
Kaizo
Tougher Kaizo
Extreme Kaizo
Alpharad Labyrinths
Ultimate Kaizo
PangaeaPanga
HotelTrivago
There's also kaizo trash.
and TAS
Been scrolling down the comment section and it seems I'm not the only Frenchie after all.
I'm the only Norwegian🙄🇧🇻
Casper Gulliksen Wrong
I've had experiences making a hard level organically and then not so much. I made a grinder blue platform level in SMW that was naturally hard and people loved it. But a hard level backfired for me with a claw desert night level with dry bones that turned out to be frustrating for people. So this is a welcome video.
This is a great video, and I am happy that this kind of thing is talked about in creator games, because I like to believe that I follow these rules when making my own stages. One thing as well that I think about with target audience is somehow trying to balance the difficulty in a way where newbies can still learn and play it, meanwhile veterans are still finding it somewhat challenging as well.
I made a fairly quick and easy level, but realised a lot of players died in one particular spot where you either had to hold the run button and jump from a high platform, or hold the jump button off of a Bullet Bill to spring you across. To most players this is common knowledge, because jumping further while running or off an enemy are fundamental mechanics that we already know from other Mario games, but to very new players, it may not be something they're aware of, so the extra challenge I find is sometimes how I can introduce those fundamental mechanics to new players, though Nintendo did a great job with the single-player levels!
Taaat ah lat tf texst
19 y/o guy from us who speaks english and i’ve never felt more called out
Holy crap what kind of dark magic?? What else do you know about me?
Great banger again. In regards to enemy placement, don’t place more enemies, place *less* more effectively.
Althought this is for super mario maker 2,it also helps for super mario maker 1
Great vid it really helped me with my levels
Well i'm not creative, but want to get creative and that's why i'm here!
I like how you included troll level and talked about it for a bit. There is a lot of misunderstanding to this genre and it is definitely my favourite type of level, so ya :D
2:08 I'm hoping you've noticed but incase you haven't, that version of the Course World song is one of the first results on TH-cam, and there's a mistake in it. For some reason there's actually 2 different versions of Course World playing together at the same time in that video, and the 2 variations weren't meant to mix, and they don't sound good together. When it started playing, it was like a huge distraction instead of a natural change to another song, since 2 not exactly the same songs were playing. If you wanted to use Course World music, just capture the audio from your Switch.
Interesting. I had no idea it was two songs mixed together but I can hear it now. I downloaded the entire SMM2 soundtrack a while ago and assumed it was someone who just ripped the files off their switch.
I adore your videos, man! Keep it up! :)
this is epic thank you fellow toby
As you can see Tobias, there's a lot of us French people on your channel.
Be proud :)
I've tried out a few things, but I find I work best making "traditional" levels, just getting to the end while avoiding hazards along the way. No need to think about where you're going, just get past whatever's in front of you. Or above, or below, maybe behind if there's something coming from that direction.
2:00 holy shoot it's ymai I remember him from rouges stream lol
TF, how did I find you in the comment section lol
The Kitten Gamer hey kitten lol
Rg pro hello G A M E R
1:14 nope, you only guessed the last one for me xD
Even though it might not be your first language, you do speak english
@@Silver-Arm No, Stefan here can TYPE English. We don't know if he can SPEAK English.
I'm obviously just being silly here, but does being able to type a message in a language count as being able to "speak" it?
@@seabassthegamer6644 I'm not sure
you got everything right except for age. I am in my young teen stages but I still love these videos, and the item break downs help me to find out about stuff I've never even heard of so keep em coming! I still have a lot to learn.
Hes probably going by youtube analytics, and most youtube users lie about their age.
Sorry I just a 12 year old who likes super Mario maker
Im 13
Young codj910 it’s good to be as cultured as yourself at such a young age
@@JJ-zo7jv im 8 reeee
Jacoby Mcguire even better. I loved Mario Wii when I was 8. Cherish the moments my friend :)
Thank you for not thinking it’s weird
Holy shit, I'm an English-speaking 18-35 male living in the USA with a passion for video games, particularly Nintendo, and I'm creative
60 year old man who likes Nintendo:
:)
Probably not
i know this video was for mario maker. but i am making a 2d platformer and this helped me
Holy ancestors you described my traits so much it's almost scary xD
AWSOME !! =) !!
When he said I was creative it almost made me cry it was so nice it made my week
Suzy Curley honestly that so sad you’re depressing
Wrong! I'm 37. :)
I am 14y and I'm French... But I love you!
Thank for the heart. That prove you don't just make vid and don't take care about your public.
I'm from the UK and I'm not 18, I guess I'm not a fan :(
German and a woman, but otherwise that was really accurate! xD
Moin nice du bist also deutsch
@@beeboyy Moin! Ja, in der Tat
! :D
16 and a woman! High five fellow Mädchen! ✋🏻
Also german xD
I’m American but I’m also a female. I don’t know why he thinks Mario is a game geared toward males but okay? Lol
i always try to make levels for newer players. i always let my 12yo cousin play my level to see if its too hard
Cool idea
**Comentario salvaje en español aparece**. Tengo 27 años y soy de Costa Rica. 3.0 update gave me an excuse to return to SMM2 and world maker feature is challenging me to make more good old-school Mario standard levels. Great video, very informative!
On the ropic on troll levels, Mayro removed a jump involving a downwards shooting cannon in the level “my first auto level”, stating: “Troll levels are about guiding the player to the goal, but kill them very often along the way.”
I think there is such thing as a good kaizo block without making it a bad level design, as long as you can avoid it without interrupting the flow of the level and dont do too many, it can make for a nice touch on a section that may seem too easy at first glance, but is made a bit harder from having to avoid an unmarked hidden block.
Thats a pretty good 👍
Could you do a video just on good boss fight design?
1:10 - I speak Indonesia
- Less than 18-35 years old
- Live in Asia
But yep, I like video game stuff specifically Nintendo.
Great video by the way.
Haha thanks. I wasn't trying to alienate anyone, clearly a lot of people don't fit that demographic. I just wanted to demonstrate that having an idea of who you're making content for goes a long way.
That description was nearly on point, jesus
Dang gotta come back in 8 years
I like to make chill levels that everyone can enjoy
I make expert rated stages, sometimes super expert, and sometimes narrative stages ( Like you played, Toxic Story )
Im Not 18+ though😂
Can you make a video breaking down the on and off switch?
Good thing I’m colorblind against koopas. Extra challenge!
4:49
ive seen deviations from rules work in a game before, but it was only because the game was telling the story, and because the rule was a limiting factor given to a character due to a fear it has, and then it made a scripted section where the player wouldnt have lived without the rule deviation.
in mario maker this would be hard to create however so its probably best to just not deviate from rules
4:50 killed me lol
I don’t live in the U.S and I’m not 18-39 year old.. But I’m still subscribed! :)
1:14
im native German speaker
under 18
and living in Germany
I make traditional levels that may be too hard for new players. Sometimes I might get complaints about the level being too hard or a lack of understanding of the course’s gimmick.
More like how to make a GOOD hard level
1:11 I'm 16 and I like watching your videos.
4:56 Thank you
1:10 yes i have a pasion for video games and am creative...
All the rest is wrong tho
I was fucking terrified when you described all those details, and every single piece of information was correct about me, I thought you were about to say my name and dox my address next
How I Structure My Levels
Step 1: Introduction:
Here, a single mechanic is introduced in a safe environment so that, if the player fails, they're funnelled back to the beginning to be able to try again. If the mechanic in question is slightly more complex to grasp initially, using indicators near or above the starting area, such as patterns of coins, arrows, or tracks to explain what the player is supposed to do in order to overcome the initial hurdle, might be helpful.
Step 2: Expansion:
Now that you know that the vast majority of players experiencing your level are familiar with the mechanic you want to teach and utilize, expand on that initial concept by adding interceptions, more distance between shifting ground, etc. Ideally, in this step you should only include partial safe-ground, as it should encourage the player to step out of their
comfort zone and take a larger risk. In terms of difficulty, relatively low is ideal for both of these steps.
Step 3: Miniboss:
Now that the player is familiar with the how the mechanic works and how it was expanded upon, test that knowledge with a miniboss. It doesn't just have to be your generic Boom Booms or Pom Poms either. If the central mechanic of your stage is based around a particular enemy or type of jump, it's crucial to ensure the arena is designed in such a way as to test the players' knowledge about that mechanic.
Step 4: Twist
The familiarity the player has bred with that mechanic can now be turned on its head. For example, if you're making a level where you spin jump from spiny to spiny and have to deliberately control how you use your mid-air momentum, it might be interesting to see how the player fairs when that exact same enemy falls from above and a spin jump needs to be performed on top of the enemy in order to survive.
Step 5: Test:
Test the players current knowledge about the mechanic and how it was used and then expanded and twisted upon. Ideally, this step should contain very little to NO safe ground. However, make sure to place a checkpoint prior to this point so that the player doesn't have to start this section all over again.
Step 6: Major Boss:
Theoretically, a major boss should serve four purposes. One: to serve as a fun climax prior to the conclusion (more on that later). Two: to test ALL of the knowledge the player has learned and absorbed over the course of the stage. Three: to serve as a tense and a challenging climax to a cleverly designed level. Four: to give the player a chance to experience catharsis through intentionally frustrating design.
Step 7: Conclusion:
The conclusion should wrap up all the loose ends and serve as an echo to the beginning of the stage. So if, for instance, your stage is about spin jumping from enemy to enemy while controlling your mid-air momentum between landings, it should have two or more enemies hanging from swinging claws designed in a semi-staircase-like fashion. From here the player can either choose to ignore it and reach the goal from the bottom, or embrace the conclusion.
These, of course, are just tips and you can design your level in whatever way you see fit that's in service to what you're attempting to do with your level in the first place.
If tou want to make a gimmicky course here is what you do.
1.Have a normal enemy section
2. Introduce the gimmick in one or two puzzles.
3. Give the gimmick some down time, put some new challenges, a mid-boss whaatever suits the stage theme.
4. Bring back the gimmick in a harder environment, for example claws can be combined with a spike floor, some enemies or just a normal section.
5. Understand the gimmick, don't make the gimmick/ gizmo the only challenge in the stage. Make it a portion of the challenges. Understand how it should be used, no one likes riding lifts making jumps over a pit. Put it under some ground and make the player fight off enemies.
just uploaded a couple lvls
tradlvl: 5B6-1J7-DWG
MPlvl: M7M-22Y-56G
You: "If you're watching this you probably live in the U.S."
Me: **Laughs in Canadian**
The four things that arem ost likely for watcgers of this Channel. I dont speak english on a day to day basis, im not even a teen, i dont live in The US but, i have a passion for video games
I'm 12 years old kid who live Nintendo games and games in general. I live in south america, I just know english so i see your videos, I have a superior IQ and the creative depends of the thing.
You don't say nothing of that dislike (JK I just start seeing your vids and for that thing of viewers estereotipes I just sub) nice vid continue making , are pretty good) 10/10
1:13 im a 15 year old girl, living in Spain but anyway, go on 😂
how about ceave analisis where he showed that hardest parts should be just before the checkpoints / end of level
I have a few levels where I have an idea but I don't know how to get the difficulty JUST right. its hard to explain. I would have to share some of the ones Im not happy with.
I don't know if its caused by the difficulty drop or not, but my Auto levels get tons more likes then my other levels.
So, after a while I went sticking to Auto's only.
1:08
I'm 16 and Canadian. You got the rest right though
Damn, that was all accurate. Only off by a couple years!
1:13 whoa whoa whoa there
I'm Spanish 12 and live in Spain
*YOU FOOL YOU THOUGHT YOU COULD PREDICT ME I'M INPREDICTABLE*
I just want to learn the basics on mm2. that's why i watch you :/
The Zelda games:
They introduce new mechanics in each new dungeons, they teach you how, where and when to use them, then they test your skills with it.
After you complete that, you go to another dungeon with greater difficulties and newer mechanics.
I'm trying to design difficulty but I haven't played in awhile so I play levels
To change the dificulty make any boss
16 yo female living In Brazil... I'm a bit far off from your target but I like the channel a lot! congrats
6:00 is the level 'hardcore jumps'?
Then the level with a slight difficulty curve gets boo after boo for it being 'too hard'
For me:
I live in the Netherlands
Speaks Dutch (native) and speak English (second language)
Also, my target audience normally is someone that plays mario casually.
Only 1 level of mine was meant for speed runners but that level is still beat able by casually players
Wilco Spruijt we hebbeb een N E D E R L A N D E R
Can you share your creator's id?
@@Ranboso my maker ID is 0N8-QLG-KQG
Dutch?
@@cappiecappie770??? Also, my name is also Casper
I only work for 3 of those descriptions, but I’m not going to tell you which
I feel like having the hardest challenge at the end of a level can be discouraging. Having to go through tons of easy challenges to get to a part you get stuck on isn't fun, and I've given up on many levels because of backtracking.
Language - yes, as a second language so I dunno, you tell me x)
Age - correct
Gender - yup
Country - sorry sir, but I'm from Europe ;p
Passion - yes
For Nintendo games - naah, just for games in general
Creative - maybe, I don't own Mario maker, nor switch to play it on. But I do draw things and if you consider it creative then fine, you're right :)
Have a good one, still love your content ^^
I am in the USA, speak English 18-34, and have a passion for Nintendo Games. Also, creative.