@@qiying6869 Yeahhhh everyone's heartbroken about it >.< But it's also ultimately for the good of the skaters' health so I'm just hoping covid-19 blows over/gets under control before the 2020-2021 season!!
This was one of the better explanations I've seen. I can always tell an axel and a toe loop but the others are harder to distinguish when they go so fast. I guess I'll leave it to Johnny and Tara to tell me what's what. :)
Lutz: usually happens at certain spots on the ice called the "lutz corners" (upper left/bottom right of rink from judge's perspective ......or "10:00" & "4:00" - position times on circular clock); also, skaters "lean" to the left going backwards for the entrance, yet land" leaning" to the right. hope this helps.
I agree. I don't skate but love watching. I don't know HOW the announcers can tell some jumps from another no matter how many times I watch these videos. It's so amazing. I can barely follow the puck in hockey so I guess it's just me
another way to recognise the jumps is by their entry. before performing a salchow (edge), skaters usually turn three times and have a knock-kneed position at take-off. for a loop (edge), the skater would commonly turn once and take off with their legs crossed. for a lutz (toe), the skater skates in a straight line backwards before driving their toe-pick in. that distinguishes it from a flip (toe), where the skater would use a three-turn immediately before picking, meaning they turn on one foot. for the toe loop (...toe), the skater rotates in the direction of the toe-pick, making them 'open' to the rotation. there's nothing more really to be said for the axel lol
aaahh.. Thank you!! I like how you explained the difference between a Lutz entry and a Flip entry. I see.. Thank you for also stating which of the jumps are edge jumps and which are flip. For some reason, I've had the impression that flip jumps are edge jumps. I see. I think I can tell single jumps apart now. I just have difficulty identifying the jumps done in combination.
@@kasvinimuniandy4178 my reply may be months late (whoops) but this is just in case anyone else wants to know how to identify combo jumps! if the skater does a toe jump immediately after the first jump, it's a toe loop (the most common). if the skater takes off from the landing foot with no toe pick and little to no hesitation, its a loop. if the skater does a hop and then a toe jump, it's an euler-flip. if the skater does a hop and then an edge jump, it's an euler-salchow. the hop is officially called an euler now, but in the past it was also referred to as a half-loop, or a loop (despite not being... an actual loop)
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This was a really good explanation, especially seeing it in slow motion. HOWEVER, it's kinda hard to see which jump is which during a routine (except for the obvious axel).
bluedasher74 If the jumps aren’t fairly easy to distinguish, the skater likely has bad technique. If you watch someone like Yuna Kim the jumps are distinct, even to the untrained eye.
One main way to differentiate between the jumps are the entry, the edges they take off from and whether the toepick is used for the jump. Although in most competitions shown on tv they'll display the scoring and program in the top left so you could see which move is up next.
I've never been on the ice, but my wife got me watching competitive ice skating about 10 years ago. Jason is one of our favourite skaters. He's always looks like he's having a great time, and his enthusiasm is infectious. He's a great skater and a wonderful ambassador for the sport. However, it's taken me those ten years to recognise the jumps. I can get an axel 100% of the time, lutz and toe loop about 80% of the time, loop about 40% of the time, but flips and salchows only about 20% of the time. It's often more difficult with men skaters, because they tend to wear black trousers which makes it close to impossible to tell the left from the right leg when you're watching the action on TV.
Here's the entries (take-off edges) for the different jumps in order of difficulty for right-footed skaters: Toe loop: Right Backward Outside edge (RBO), toe-pick assisted Salchow: Left Backward Inside edge (LBI) Loop: Right Backward Outside edge (RBO) Flip: Left Backward Inside edge (LBI), toe-pick assisted Lutz: Left Backward Outside edge (LBO), toe-pick assisted Axel: Left Forward Outside edge (LFO)
Jason's lutz definitely rocks to an inside edge essentially making it a flutz.... By his own description, he is missing out on tje additional torque by not staying on the outside edge through when the left foot leaves the ice.
It is more of a flat edge than an inside edge, some skaters (including me😭) go to a flat edge, it is only usually a huge problem when it is a definite inside. Also, flip is described on one figure skating video" the flip jump is like the Lutz except on a more inside flat edge". It is technically a Flutz but more on the mild version of it compared to a definite inside. I'm not looking for hate here, just saying what I saw
ZEE L it's a flutz because before he jumped, his left foot shifted from a deep outside edge to a flat edge. Evgenia's lutz is more like a floopz(wrong edge + loop). Because she does not use the toe pick to vault herself up in the air instead she uses a full blade. And also her lutz are extermely prerotated and have a forward entry. In conclusion, his lutz is a lutz even though it's flawed while Evgenia is not a lutz but a loop-ish jump. No hate. ❤️❤️❤️
ZEE L Zhenya’s Flutz is certainly one of the most pronounced :-o Kaetlyn (who, assuming she comes back, is my favorite current Lady) has a pretty obvious Flutz too
I feel like all the views on this video are me lol. *_The secret to identifying jumps is paying attention to the entrance, takeoff direction and the feet. Soon, your brain will be able to easily distinguish these jumps._* Here everyone, free replay button: 0:00 And jump times(with tips!) Salchow: 0:27 *What’s helped me distinguish this one is that the skater spins, gaining speed, before taking off, the left foot lifting into the spin a split second after the right initiated the takeoff. Skater takes off on left foot and lands with right.* ToeLoop: 0:46 *PICK JUMP* *The skater starts the takeoff gliding backwards, if you look closely enough, the left foot crosses the right and kicks the floor, launching the right off, the left lifting seemingly at the same time.* Loop: 1:09 *Smoothest transitions EVER! The skater also starts this takeoff backwards, the right foot lifting a second after the left (like the salchow).* *THE BEST WAY TO DISTINGUISH THE SALCHOW AND LOOP IS THAT THE SKATER IS SPINNING BEFORE TAKING OFF IN THE SALCHOW AND GLIDING BACKWARDS BEFORE TAKING OFF IN THE LOOP* Flip: 1:24 *PICK JUMP* *The skater spins one time before taking off. Not much to say here except watching the edge (which can be extremely difficult during a fast and active program). The skater should be on the LEFT BACK INSIDE EDGE* Lutz: 1:44 *PICK JUMP* *Like he said, almost exactly like the flip, except you need to watch the edge again. The skater should be on the LEFT BACK OUTSIDE EDGE* Axel: 2:09 *The easiest to recognize! The Axel has the skater takeoff completely forward!* *_I HOPE THIS HELPED!_*
From the video, this is my conclusion *Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm a non-professional. I just summarize what I saw in the video* Salchow - Take off on the inside edge of your non-dominant leg. Free leg helps you prepare to be in the air. Land on your dominant leg's outside edge. Toeloop - Take off on the inside edge of your non-dominant leg. Dominant leg's toepick sends you up in the air. Land on your dominant leg's outside edge. Loop - Take off on the outside edge of your dominant leg completely backward and land on the outside edge of your dominant leg Flip - Take off on the inside edge of your non-dominant leg. Your dominant leg (Pick jump) send you up in the air. You stand on the inside of your non-dominant leg until you leave the ice. Land on the outside of your dominant leg Lutz - Take off on the outside edge of your non-dominant leg. Your dominant leg sends you up in the air by the pick jump. The outside edge of your non-dominant leg goes against the way you want to rotate. Land on the outside edge of your dominant leg Axel - Take off completely forward on the outside edge of your non-dominant leg and land backward on the outside edge of your dominant leg
Sone2539 for the toe loop you pick with you non dominant foot and you take off from your dominant foot and land on the outside edge of you dominant foot
It's a bit wordy. Here's the shorter description of different jumps in order of difficulty for right-footed skaters: Toe loop: Right Backward Outside edge (RBO), toe-pick assisted Salchow: Left Backward Inside edge (LBI) Loop: Right Backward Outside edge (RBO) Flip: Left Backward Inside edge (LBI), toe-pick assisted Lutz: Left Backward Outside edge (LBO), toe-pick assisted Axel: Left Forward Outside edge (LFO)
See these jump simulation rotation practice exercises on a floor. Observe which foot is used on take off (edge jump) and which is used to dig into the floor (toe pick-assisted jump). The video can be slowed down. th-cam.com/video/Puo_R-3za8k/w-d-xo.htmlm4s
Seriously, I wonder why people are saying that they still don't see the difference? I'm literally only looking this up because of an anime reference, never really cared enough to watch ice skating stuff though I thought it was fascinating/pretty enough, so I'm pretty much completely untrained and I can tell the difference because of this video. (Well, I also took notes...) Sure, if you're actually watching a live performance I'm sure it'll be difficult at first, but that's like, just because you know the notes cdefgab and where they lie on the staff logistically doesn't mean you can name off each line at random just by looking at some sheet music; it takes practice to name each jump as you see it. So it's not that "you can't tell the difference" it's that "even though I have this resource available, I don't care enough to actually learn by practicing recognizing these things." At least the topic is mundane enough, but don't say, "I can't," say it like it is, say, "I don't care enough to learn," because that's perfectly acceptable, too. No one's forcing you to be that invested.
@@HeritageDrPepper this is an A-tier comment, thank you for that clarification. practice makes perfect! (well, perfect according to whoever's standards)
Actually, it's super hard to learn it from observation only. Once you try doing the jumps, every time you see somebody else doing them, you recognise the body movement immediately. I was trying to learn how to recognise jumps in competitions (before I started to skate) for two competition seasons and no success. I though I almost got it and then people used difficult entries and transitions into jumps and I lost it. Once I started skating myself, I started recognising them in a couple of months.
Here's the different jumps in order of difficulty for right-footed skaters: Toe loop: Right Backward Outside edge (RBO), toe-pick assisted Salchow: Left Backward Inside edge (LBI) Loop: Right Backward Outside edge (RBO) Flip: Left Backward Inside edge (LBI), toe-pick assisted Lutz: Left Backward Outside edge (LBO), toe-pick assisted Axel: Left Forward Outside edge (LFO)
I would argue a different order for that difficulty depending on how many rotations you're talking about, but I appreciate how well you laid out that info. Most people don't know the edges anymore, they either just do them, or just smile and nod and panic inside because they all look the same to them XD (As a skater, that's what I see at least)
0:27 Salchow - edge jump, left foot inside edge take off 0:47 Toe Loop - pick jump, right foot outside edge take off 1:10 Loop - edge jump, right foot outside edge take off 1:23 Flip - pick jump, left foot inside edge take off 1:43 Lutz - pick jump, left foot outside edge take off 2:10 Axel - edge jump, forward left foot outside edge take off
Wow…I used this video to learn how to spot the jumps and it worked, and now I’m about to watch you soon take the ice in the short program at the 2022 Winter Olympics. Thanks and Good Luck!!
mish098aimer I agree. I mean her Lutz edge has problem. But the judge still gives her positive GOE for her raising the hand over head. Some think it is not fair, some think it difficult to do that. Hard to say. Judges have the final words.
huajie666 liu The tano only gives her +0.5 GOE. If you take into account her low jump height, muscled jump, wrong edge etc, her flutz should never get positive GOE. It's like +0.5 +(-3)= -2.5 (negative GOE).
Sooo I took notes. Maybe it'll help to review both for all the people who still are having a hard time. But I'd also like to say, it's not that you can't, it's that you're not so invested that you desire to learn, which is fine. But it's like this, just because you know the notes (Sheet Music) cdefgab and where they lie on the staff logistically doesn't mean you can name off each line at random just by looking at some sheet music; likewise it takes practice to name each jump as you see it. Anyway, here are my notes. Hope it helps! *Tip:* Try really picturing each jump as you read these. *Landing (Same for all):* Right Back Outside Edge *_Salchow (Sow)_* *Takeoff:* Left Back Inside Edge *Key Component:* Right leg helps lift up, entering into about a 45 degree angle before flattening/crossing into the twist *_Toeloop_* *Takeoff:* Left Foot Toe Pick Vault *Key Component:* Standing leg is on Right Outside Edge *_Loop_* *Takeoff:* Right foot, center (not pick) *Key Component:* Right foot starts crossed behind left foot; simple crouch jump *_Flip_* *Takeoff:* Right Foot Toe Pick Vault *Key Component:* Standing leg is on the Left, Back, *Inside* Edge *_Lutz_* *Takeoff:* Pick Jump-Right foot *Key Component:* Standing leg is on the Left, Back, *Outside* Edge *Trick:* This goes against the direction you want to rotate but helps with power and torque when done right *_Axel_* *Takeoff:* Forward (only jump) *Key Component:* One leg standing, back/free leg swings from behind to give momentum to enter the twist but still rests behind the front ankle *Trick:* Adds another half rotation
An easy way to tell from the lutz, flip, salchow, loop is the entrance. With flips, since it takes of on an inside edge, skaters usually enter through a three turn since it naturally sets up a inside edge. With lutz, skaters usually just glide backwards for a moment lol. Salchow has a sweeping motion before take off. Loop has crossed legs before take off.
But there are videos of Evgenia doing a CLEAN lutz on Instagram because of how Brian coaches her, she fell on the jump though, but it WAS an outside edge and minimal pre rotoation
Who besides Yuna and Alina have had consistent Lutz AND Flip 3-3s with proper edges? Yuna really interchanged the Flip-Toe and Lutz-Toe and Alina will do both in one FS, but I can’t think of anyone else...
JackAShepherd mhhhh you might wanna change Alina’s name in your comment. She is no where near Yuna. Yuna had textbook jumps , while Alina now has a flat edge on lutz, uses full blade assistance, and excessively pre-rotates.
This is a good explanation of the differences, as good as I’ve ever seen in a brief video, but the jumps are mainly recognizable to audiences from their entrances so those should have been included.
WOW!! Thank you Jason and WSJ!!! This was a great video. I have been watching this sport since 2 weeks prior to the PyeongChang Games. Thanks to the plethora of videos online, especially such clear ones like this, I can now identify all the jumps. :D :D Although when viewed in real time, it is difficult to differentiate the lutz and flip due to camera angles and quick take-offs. :D :D My latest obsession is the loop because I can finally identify it !! hehehe... Such an interesting jump because there is.. not a clear take off point? sort of.. like.. there's no pick to launch it. :D :D So in love with this sport even though I can't skate at all, hahaha.
Thank you Jason! For the Sal: if I put some weight on the R-foot, now gliding (not free), it becomes a Toe J ... does it? (Is there a "hallo" I'm seeing, slow-motion, from the R-foot?)
Best video that explains the difference.... for those who are confused, don’t fret; it takes a while to figure it out. Watch it over and over and take notes like I did. Salchow, loop and axel all take off on one foot with needing the toe lift from the other foot. Axel has a forward approach unlike the others.
1:11 "loop takes off completely backwards" ... shows clip of 1/2 rotation forward facing takeoff 1:54 "the lutz takes off on the back outside" ... shows clip of him switching to the inside edge significant upper body prerotation on the flip as well,,,,
As common it is to land on a right back outside edge (usually if you're right-handed), there are also skaters who rotate the opposite way (left handed/ambidextrous and even some right-handed people) and will land on their left back outside edge.
Axel is obviously easiest to identity as it has forward entrance. Lutz typically has the sliding backwards entrance without turn. Other jumps have a few turns. Salchow has upside down V-shape legs while Toe/Loop has X-shape (crossed legs) legs entrance. Flip and Lutz are difficult to identify without watching slow-motion to see the edge. Also, he did a flutz (Lutz with inside edge take-off like a Flip) in the video as he entranced with outside edge but at the time of jumping it was inside edge already or at best unclear edge.
OMG…I admire ALL athletes that work so hard in whatever sport they do… I can ice skate a LITTLE…can’t do jumps or turns or spins… can only just skate… They have to Learn and remember so much along with all the hours of training and staying in shape…they have to be super strong mentally… To be able to balance training physical and mental…have ME time and time with families and friends and just having fun and being able to relax… They have such awesome determination and discipline…
Today I went skating after a 4 year break. I used to be able to do a walz jump and pretty much everything that is not a jump. I was kinda sad that I couldn't do much anymore. I really missed that feeling while doing spins. I couldn't even do an usual spin anymore😂
This is the video I needed. I gave up knowing which jump was which at an early age. I only knew an axel. I was an avid roller skater growing up and I use to do a (by your video) a flip jump on them and wanted to try the others. I just never knew how or what made them different and we didn’t have TH-cam back then and the books and drawings never made sense. This video is a tremendous help. Hmmm…I wonder if still can learn the other jumps on roller skates, Lutz, Salchow, Toe loop, and loop. I could never see the difference of the Toe loop and Flip. Now I get it. Thanks
Each jump takes off differently. Toe loop jump: Right Back Outside edge with toe-pick assist Salchow jump: Left Back Inside edge Loop jump: Right Back Outside edge Flip jump: Left Back Inside edge with toe-pick assist Lutz jump: Left Back Outside edge with toe-pick assist Axel jump: Left Forward Outside edge
Im not sure about the correctness from this toe loop. My trainers told me that i have to use my right outside edge to jump and the toe pick is just a additional help :/.
I really hope you guys can reply me I really want to ask how do you able to spin two time , three time or four time in the air??? Do you need the speed or the strength or both???
All his jumps have very clean text book take offs except the Lutz which has the edge issue. His Lutz certainly doesn't have a strong outside all the way through the way skaters like Nathan Chen have (and Nathan does it on a quad).
Edmund Geswein His flip technique is also not very good. He has a curved entry instead of a straight entry. Skater with not-so-good-flip tend to flutz.
Qiqi Chia His flip may curve, but it picks nice without a lot of prerotation. But perhaps if he practiced flatter flips it might help him with the lutz. Certainly his lutz has some timing issues with the active outside edge being a little early. If he corrected this he'd have to learn to use a good strong "flick" on the take off to get rotation.
Salchow: Left Backward Inside edge (LBI) Loop: Right Backward Outside edge (RBO) In preparing a Salchow jump, the knees are together and the feet are apart. In preparing a loop jump, the legs are crossed at the knee.
@@shaunkamakea-young9672 You can see the crossing at the knee at 1:10. If you are on a desktop or laptop computer. Press the space bar to pause the video. Press the "." (period) key to advance the video one frame at a time. Press the "," (comma) to reverse the video one frame at time.
@@jackroberts2704 The Axel jump is the easiest to identify because it is the only jump in a forward direction. Toe loop jump: Right Back Outside edge with toe-pick assist Salchow jump: Left Back Inside edge Loop jump: Right Back Outside edge Flip jump: Left Back Inside edge with toe-pick assist Lutz jump: Left Back Outside edge with toe-pick assist Axel jump: Left Forward Outside edge
I’m not a skater myself, but I love the sport. I think the easiest place to start, is the difference between a toe pick jump and non-toe pick. Those are obvious. so you can start from there first
Jason: "No one has ever yet competed with a quad axel"
Yuzu in the corner: **sweats profusely**
It's coming!! Waiting for Worlds
@@contorgonflame452 sadly worlds cancelled :(
@@qiying6869 Yeahhhh everyone's heartbroken about it >.< But it's also ultimately for the good of the skaters' health so I'm just hoping covid-19 blows over/gets under control before the 2020-2021 season!!
@@contorgonflame452 yesss 😣stay safe ❤
Trusova: just wait and see my friend
This was one of the better explanations I've seen. I can always tell an axel and a toe loop but the others are harder to distinguish when they go so fast. I guess I'll leave it to Johnny and Tara to tell me what's what. :)
Lutz: usually happens at certain spots on the ice called the "lutz corners" (upper left/bottom right of rink from judge's perspective ......or "10:00" & "4:00" - position times on circular clock); also, skaters "lean" to the left going backwards for the entrance, yet land" leaning" to the right. hope this helps.
I feel like the flip and salchow start to blend together because they both start on a left forward outside edge usually
@@moonlight_oats for a flip you jump from your toe pick. for a salchow you jump from an edge.
I agree. I don't skate but love watching. I don't know HOW the announcers can tell some jumps from another no matter how many times I watch these videos. It's so amazing. I can barely follow the puck in hockey so I guess it's just me
I can spot axel, salchow, and loop easily but once the toe pick gets involved it’s all just goes so fast and idk what’s happening haha
another way to recognise the jumps is by their entry. before performing a salchow (edge), skaters usually turn three times and have a knock-kneed position at take-off. for a loop (edge), the skater would commonly turn once and take off with their legs crossed. for a lutz (toe), the skater skates in a straight line backwards before driving their toe-pick in. that distinguishes it from a flip (toe), where the skater would use a three-turn immediately before picking, meaning they turn on one foot. for the toe loop (...toe), the skater rotates in the direction of the toe-pick, making them 'open' to the rotation. there's nothing more really to be said for the axel lol
aaahh.. Thank you!! I like how you explained the difference between a Lutz entry and a Flip entry. I see.. Thank you for also stating which of the jumps are edge jumps and which are flip. For some reason, I've had the impression that flip jumps are edge jumps. I see. I think I can tell single jumps apart now. I just have difficulty identifying the jumps done in combination.
That's really helpful. I can normally recognise a lutz exactly as you say, but I hadn't cottoned on to the other jump entries. Thanks.
@@kasvinimuniandy4178 my reply may be months late (whoops) but this is just in case anyone else wants to know how to identify combo jumps! if the skater does a toe jump immediately after the first jump, it's a toe loop (the most common). if the skater takes off from the landing foot with no toe pick and little to no hesitation, its a loop. if the skater does a hop and then a toe jump, it's an euler-flip. if the skater does a hop and then an edge jump, it's an euler-salchow. the hop is officially called an euler now, but in the past it was also referred to as a half-loop, or a loop (despite not being... an actual loop)
The loop, I think also easier to identify as it’s the only jump that literally takes off and lands on the same foot..
This was super helpful, thanks.
"You always land on right leg"
*Grumpy clockwise skater here*
You're in the same company as Todd Eldredge and Rudy Galindo.
iomoon lefty problems
Same
Same
iomoon grumpy Tonya Harding there.. *paid hitman to shatter Kerrigan’s LANDING (right) knee*
🚫Harding= lower than the pipes under the frozen ice rink! 🚫 Tonya HARD-ON for vindictively! 😳☠️
this was helpful hope his cold gets better soon
Ben I hope he’s doing well now, after two years
This is that nicer, kinder side of TH-cam I like to see
@@jojososomojo it’s called sarcasm
0:27 Salchow
0:47 Toe Loop
1:10 Loop
1:23 Flip
1:43 Lutz
2:10 Axel
This was a really good explanation, especially seeing it in slow motion. HOWEVER, it's kinda hard to see which jump is which during a routine (except for the obvious axel).
bluedasher74 If the jumps aren’t fairly easy to distinguish, the skater likely has bad technique. If you watch someone like Yuna Kim the jumps are distinct, even to the untrained eye.
One main way to differentiate between the jumps are the entry, the edges they take off from and whether the toepick is used for the jump. Although in most competitions shown on tv they'll display the scoring and program in the top left so you could see which move is up next.
I've never been on the ice, but my wife got me watching competitive ice skating about 10 years ago. Jason is one of our favourite skaters. He's always looks like he's having a great time, and his enthusiasm is infectious. He's a great skater and a wonderful ambassador for the sport.
However, it's taken me those ten years to recognise the jumps. I can get an axel 100% of the time, lutz and toe loop about 80% of the time, loop about 40% of the time, but flips and salchows only about 20% of the time. It's often more difficult with men skaters, because they tend to wear black trousers which makes it close to impossible to tell the left from the right leg when you're watching the action on TV.
Here's the entries (take-off edges) for the different jumps in order of difficulty for right-footed skaters:
Toe loop: Right Backward Outside edge (RBO), toe-pick assisted
Salchow: Left Backward Inside edge (LBI)
Loop: Right Backward Outside edge (RBO)
Flip: Left Backward Inside edge (LBI), toe-pick assisted
Lutz: Left Backward Outside edge (LBO), toe-pick assisted
Axel: Left Forward Outside edge (LFO)
when yuzu announced he was coming for that 4A
Sonora Spring 😍😍😍
I hope he doesn't injure himself again 😭😭
Sonora That 4T-3A he debuted this year is *bananas*... What would we have done if he’d retired???
Where? I thought he didn’t have social media? Is it in an interview? If so link pls c=
He's actually done it. Just hasn't landed it. He fell cause he didn't get enough height on the jump. During practice if course
What I really love about him is he enjoys skating and feels like dancing to every song, and hes just having fun but very wonderful
Someone please get this guy some cough drops...
I watched one of your videos
Yeah especially the end with all those voice cracks...
lennon omg what r u doing here
its my favorite bunny youtuber commenting on a video of my favorite sport. omg i love lennon!!!!
Jason's lutz definitely rocks to an inside edge essentially making it a flutz.... By his own description, he is missing out on tje additional torque by not staying on the outside edge through when the left foot leaves the ice.
I don't see it as a flutz -- if anyone has that its Ms. Medvedeva. lol. But regardless I think they are both fabulous!
It is more of a flat edge than an inside edge, some skaters (including me😭) go to a flat edge, it is only usually a huge problem when it is a definite inside. Also, flip is described on one figure skating video" the flip jump is like the Lutz except on a more inside flat edge". It is technically a Flutz but more on the mild version of it compared to a definite inside. I'm not looking for hate here, just saying what I saw
ZEE L it's a flutz because before he jumped, his left foot shifted from a deep outside edge to a flat edge.
Evgenia's lutz is more like a floopz(wrong edge + loop). Because she does not use the toe pick to vault herself up in the air instead she uses a full blade. And also her lutz are extermely prerotated and have a forward entry.
In conclusion, his lutz is a lutz even though it's flawed while Evgenia is not a lutz but a loop-ish jump. No hate. ❤️❤️❤️
Paolo Castellano #TeamOrser is on it
ZEE L Zhenya’s Flutz is certainly one of the most pronounced :-o
Kaetlyn (who, assuming she comes back, is my favorite current Lady) has a pretty obvious Flutz too
I feel like all the views on this video are me lol.
*_The secret to identifying jumps is paying attention to the entrance, takeoff direction and the feet. Soon, your brain will be able to easily distinguish these jumps._*
Here everyone, free replay button:
0:00
And jump times(with tips!)
Salchow: 0:27
*What’s helped me distinguish this one is that the skater spins, gaining speed, before taking off, the left foot lifting into the spin a split second after the right initiated the takeoff. Skater takes off on left foot and lands with right.*
ToeLoop: 0:46 *PICK JUMP*
*The skater starts the takeoff gliding backwards, if you look closely enough, the left foot crosses the right and kicks the floor, launching the right off, the left lifting seemingly at the same time.*
Loop: 1:09
*Smoothest transitions EVER! The skater also starts this takeoff backwards, the right foot lifting a second after the left (like the salchow).*
*THE BEST WAY TO DISTINGUISH THE SALCHOW AND LOOP IS THAT THE SKATER IS SPINNING BEFORE TAKING OFF IN THE SALCHOW AND GLIDING BACKWARDS BEFORE TAKING OFF IN THE LOOP*
Flip: 1:24 *PICK JUMP*
*The skater spins one time before taking off. Not much to say here except watching the edge (which can be extremely difficult during a fast and active program). The skater should be on the LEFT BACK INSIDE EDGE*
Lutz: 1:44 *PICK JUMP*
*Like he said, almost exactly like the flip, except you need to watch the edge again. The skater should be on the LEFT BACK OUTSIDE EDGE*
Axel: 2:09
*The easiest to recognize! The Axel has the skater takeoff completely forward!*
*_I HOPE THIS HELPED!_*
NessahWey thank you sm for this b!
As for the sal, the right foor lifts you into the spim😊 of course If You’re going counter clockwise
From the video, this is my conclusion *Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm a non-professional. I just summarize what I saw in the video*
Salchow - Take off on the inside edge of your non-dominant leg. Free leg helps you prepare to be in the air. Land on your dominant leg's outside edge.
Toeloop - Take off on the inside edge of your non-dominant leg. Dominant leg's toepick sends you up in the air. Land on your dominant leg's outside edge.
Loop - Take off on the outside edge of your dominant leg completely backward and land on the outside edge of your dominant leg
Flip - Take off on the inside edge of your non-dominant leg. Your dominant leg (Pick jump) send you up in the air. You stand on the inside of your non-dominant leg until you leave the ice. Land on the outside of your dominant leg
Lutz - Take off on the outside edge of your non-dominant leg. Your dominant leg sends you up in the air by the pick jump. The outside edge of your non-dominant leg goes against the way you want to rotate. Land on the outside edge of your dominant leg
Axel - Take off completely forward on the outside edge of your non-dominant leg and land backward on the outside edge of your dominant leg
Sone2539 for the toe loop you pick with you non dominant foot and you take off from your dominant foot and land on the outside edge of you dominant foot
Viktor Kurious Thank you
It's a bit wordy. Here's the shorter description of different jumps in order of difficulty for right-footed skaters:
Toe loop: Right Backward Outside edge (RBO), toe-pick assisted
Salchow: Left Backward Inside edge (LBI)
Loop: Right Backward Outside edge (RBO)
Flip: Left Backward Inside edge (LBI), toe-pick assisted
Lutz: Left Backward Outside edge (LBO), toe-pick assisted
Axel: Left Forward Outside edge (LFO)
Thanks a lot!
See these jump simulation rotation practice exercises on a floor. Observe which foot is used on take off (edge jump) and which is used to dig into the floor (toe pick-assisted jump). The video can be slowed down. th-cam.com/video/Puo_R-3za8k/w-d-xo.htmlm4s
People saying the jumps look the same scares me
ARMY luvs Bo Peep they do tho
Lol they all do except for triple axel
Seriously, I wonder why people are saying that they still don't see the difference? I'm literally only looking this up because of an anime reference, never really cared enough to watch ice skating stuff though I thought it was fascinating/pretty enough, so I'm pretty much completely untrained and I can tell the difference because of this video. (Well, I also took notes...)
Sure, if you're actually watching a live performance I'm sure it'll be difficult at first, but that's like, just because you know the notes cdefgab and where they lie on the staff logistically doesn't mean you can name off each line at random just by looking at some sheet music; it takes practice to name each jump as you see it.
So it's not that "you can't tell the difference" it's that "even though I have this resource available, I don't care enough to actually learn by practicing recognizing these things." At least the topic is mundane enough, but don't say, "I can't," say it like it is, say, "I don't care enough to learn," because that's perfectly acceptable, too. No one's forcing you to be that invested.
They do
@@HeritageDrPepper this is an A-tier comment, thank you for that clarification. practice makes perfect! (well, perfect according to whoever's standards)
They all look the same except for the axel
Lennon The Bunny well then please learn the jumps s
Actually, it's super hard to learn it from observation only. Once you try doing the jumps, every time you see somebody else doing them, you recognise the body movement immediately. I was trying to learn how to recognise jumps in competitions (before I started to skate) for two competition seasons and no success. I though I almost got it and then people used difficult entries and transitions into jumps and I lost it. Once I started skating myself, I started recognising them in a couple of months.
Lennon The Bunny the difference is in the foot positions.
You can also tell the jumps by their entry and preparation moves before the take-off. So practise more and you will be able to tell for sure!!
Olympics 2018 Nathan Chen
Argh!! But they all look the same, to the untrained eye??!! :/
Here's the different jumps in order of difficulty for right-footed skaters:
Toe loop: Right Backward Outside edge (RBO), toe-pick assisted
Salchow: Left Backward Inside edge (LBI)
Loop: Right Backward Outside edge (RBO)
Flip: Left Backward Inside edge (LBI), toe-pick assisted
Lutz: Left Backward Outside edge (LBO), toe-pick assisted
Axel: Left Forward Outside edge (LFO)
Thanks so much, RaymondHng- and I take it you are describing how these jumps take off and not how they land with this list??
Yes. The landing for right-footed skaters is always Right Back Outside edge (RBO) for all jumps.
Seriously, thank you SO much. You have NO idea just how much I need this skating education!!
I would argue a different order for that difficulty depending on how many rotations you're talking about, but I appreciate how well you laid out that info.
Most people don't know the edges anymore, they either just do them, or just smile and nod and panic inside because they all look the same to them XD
(As a skater, that's what I see at least)
0:27 Salchow - edge jump, left foot inside edge take off
0:47 Toe Loop - pick jump, right foot outside edge take off
1:10 Loop - edge jump, right foot outside edge take off
1:23 Flip - pick jump, left foot inside edge take off
1:43 Lutz - pick jump, left foot outside edge take off
2:10 Axel - edge jump, forward left foot outside edge take off
Wow…I used this video to learn how to spot the jumps and it worked, and now I’m about to watch you soon take the ice in the short program at the 2022 Winter Olympics. Thanks and Good Luck!!
This is the BEST explanation of this because they go slow enough and clear enough to show the nuances. Looking forward to next January!
Except watching it in real time won't help lol
I think maybe the lutz should be marked !. Because it sensible flat.I need more angles to verify. Thanks for the explanation, Jason.
He used to have a pretty bad "e" Lutz as a Junior, but he's worked his tail off to get it to this. Still, agree there are US men with better Lutzes.
And this axel has excessive pre rotation
mish098aimer ho come. Evgenia has one of her hands over the head.
mish098aimer I agree. I mean her Lutz edge has problem. But the judge still gives her positive GOE for her raising the hand over head. Some think it is not fair, some think it difficult to do that. Hard to say. Judges have the final words.
huajie666 liu The tano only gives her +0.5 GOE. If you take into account her low jump height, muscled jump, wrong edge etc, her flutz should never get positive GOE. It's like +0.5 +(-3)= -2.5 (negative GOE).
Jason you little sunshine I love you please take care of yourself
Sooo I took notes.
Maybe it'll help to review both for all the people who still are having a hard time. But I'd also like to say, it's not that you can't, it's that you're not so invested that you desire to learn, which is fine. But it's like this, just because you know the notes (Sheet Music) cdefgab and where they lie on the staff logistically doesn't mean you can name off each line at random just by looking at some sheet music; likewise it takes practice to name each jump as you see it.
Anyway, here are my notes. Hope it helps!
*Tip:* Try really picturing each jump as you read these.
*Landing (Same for all):* Right Back Outside Edge
*_Salchow (Sow)_*
*Takeoff:* Left Back Inside Edge
*Key Component:* Right leg helps lift up, entering into about a 45 degree angle before flattening/crossing into the twist
*_Toeloop_*
*Takeoff:* Left Foot Toe Pick Vault
*Key Component:* Standing leg is on Right Outside Edge
*_Loop_*
*Takeoff:* Right foot, center (not pick)
*Key Component:* Right foot starts crossed behind left foot; simple crouch jump
*_Flip_*
*Takeoff:* Right Foot Toe Pick Vault
*Key Component:* Standing leg is on the Left, Back, *Inside* Edge
*_Lutz_*
*Takeoff:* Pick Jump-Right foot
*Key Component:* Standing leg is on the Left, Back, *Outside* Edge
*Trick:* This goes against the direction you want to rotate but helps with power and torque when done right
*_Axel_*
*Takeoff:* Forward (only jump)
*Key Component:* One leg standing, back/free leg swings from behind to give momentum to enter the twist but still rests behind the front ankle
*Trick:* Adds another half rotation
The best video on this I have found so far. Thanks Jason!
An easy way to tell from the lutz, flip, salchow, loop is the entrance. With flips, since it takes of on an inside edge, skaters usually enter through a three turn since it naturally sets up a inside edge. With lutz, skaters usually just glide backwards for a moment lol. Salchow has a sweeping motion before take off. Loop has crossed legs before take off.
1:58 Ha, Flutz sighting! Nearly as perfect as Medvedeva's. 99.9 base value.
Eric0816 yesssss 😆
i know right. sad. because i really love his artistry, i hope his technique will improve since he is moving with new coach now! :)
But there are videos of Evgenia doing a CLEAN lutz on Instagram because of how Brian coaches her, she fell on the jump though, but it WAS an outside edge and minimal pre rotoation
Who besides Yuna and Alina have had consistent Lutz AND Flip 3-3s with proper edges? Yuna really interchanged the Flip-Toe and Lutz-Toe and Alina will do both in one FS, but I can’t think of anyone else...
JackAShepherd mhhhh you might wanna change Alina’s name in your comment. She is no where near Yuna. Yuna had textbook jumps , while Alina now has a flat edge on lutz, uses full blade assistance, and excessively pre-rotates.
This is a good explanation of the differences, as good as I’ve ever seen in a brief video, but the jumps are mainly recognizable to audiences from their entrances so those should have been included.
I love how figure skaters say the Lutz takes off from the outside edge and yet when they actually do it, they don't...
OH YES
My man spitting facts
His technique is so clean and nice to watch! Great video
WOW!! Thank you Jason and WSJ!!! This was a great video. I have been watching this sport since 2 weeks prior to the PyeongChang Games. Thanks to the plethora of videos online, especially such clear ones like this, I can now identify all the jumps. :D :D Although when viewed in real time, it is difficult to differentiate the lutz and flip due to camera angles and quick take-offs. :D :D
My latest obsession is the loop because I can finally identify it !! hehehe... Such an interesting jump because there is.. not a clear take off point? sort of.. like.. there's no pick to launch it. :D :D So in love with this sport even though I can't skate at all, hahaha.
Searched for inline skating jumps. Found this. Left impressed.
The flip is my favorite 😀
Maya Hany mine is the loop. :)
Mine is is the loop, but the flip comes close behind
Trying to work on doubles on the floor during summer and this explanation helps a lot!
I'm gonna forget these in a few minutes but I appreciate the effort!
Thank you Jason! For the Sal: if I put some weight on the R-foot, now gliding (not free), it becomes a Toe J ... does it? (Is there a "hallo" I'm seeing, slow-motion, from the R-foot?)
Best video that explains the difference.... for those who are confused, don’t fret; it takes a while to figure it out. Watch it over and over and take notes like I did. Salchow, loop and axel all take off on one foot with needing the toe lift from the other foot. Axel has a forward approach unlike the others.
By the way, typically you take off on the opposite leg and rotate the other direction if you are left-handed.
I'm right-handed, so I take off on my left leg and rotate counterclockwise, right?
Sone2539 you probably would rotate counterclockwise but the leg you take off on depends on the jump.
I get it now. Thanks :D
Yup ! I’m left handed + I’m a figure skater and I rotate and jump clockwoze
I am right-handed and I skate clockwise😂
1:11 "loop takes off completely backwards" ... shows clip of 1/2 rotation forward facing takeoff
1:54 "the lutz takes off on the back outside" ... shows clip of him switching to the inside edge
significant upper body prerotation on the flip as well,,,,
As common it is to land on a right back outside edge (usually if you're right-handed), there are also skaters who rotate the opposite way (left handed/ambidextrous and even some right-handed people) and will land on their left back outside edge.
Quad Axel: Check - Ilia Malinin - 2022
Axel is obviously easiest to identity as it has forward entrance. Lutz typically has the sliding backwards entrance without turn. Other jumps have a few turns. Salchow has upside down V-shape legs while Toe/Loop has X-shape (crossed legs) legs entrance. Flip and Lutz are difficult to identify without watching slow-motion to see the edge. Also, he did a flutz (Lutz with inside edge take-off like a Flip) in the video as he entranced with outside edge but at the time of jumping it was inside edge already or at best unclear edge.
Amazingly smooth and nice jumps!!!!
OMG…I admire ALL athletes that work so hard in whatever sport they do…
I can ice skate a LITTLE…can’t do jumps or turns or spins… can only just skate…
They have to Learn and remember so much along with all the hours of training and staying in shape…they have to be super strong mentally…
To be able to balance training physical and mental…have ME time and time with families and friends and just having fun and being able to relax…
They have such awesome determination and discipline…
I got the complete understanding about the jumps in this video.. finally!
Now I get much clearer. Thank you very much.
Thank you for the perfect explinatio6, none can explain better6than you!.
and I LOVE your Style!
Pro skater commentary:
*yea thats a axel and thats a toe loop-*
Me:
*WOW HE FLEW!*
Great video. Thank you
Can you do some of the other jumps too? 1/2 lutz, 1/2 loop, etc.?
Today I went skating after a 4 year break. I used to be able to do a walz jump and pretty much everything that is not a jump. I was kinda sad that I couldn't do much anymore. I really missed that feeling while doing spins. I couldn't even do an usual spin anymore😂
We gotta appreciate the fact he actually did a triple axel for us in the video , a jump he’s not so consistent with
This is the video I needed. I gave up knowing which jump was which at an early age. I only knew an axel. I was an avid roller skater growing up and I use to do a (by your video) a flip jump on them and wanted to try the others. I just never knew how or what made them different and we didn’t have TH-cam back then and the books and drawings never made sense. This video is a tremendous help. Hmmm…I wonder if still can learn the other jumps on roller skates, Lutz, Salchow, Toe loop, and loop. I could never see the difference of the Toe loop and Flip. Now I get it. Thanks
Each jump takes off differently.
Toe loop jump: Right Back Outside edge with toe-pick assist
Salchow jump: Left Back Inside edge
Loop jump: Right Back Outside edge
Flip jump: Left Back Inside edge with toe-pick assist
Lutz jump: Left Back Outside edge with toe-pick assist
Axel jump: Left Forward Outside edge
@@RaymondHng I found the Lutz the hardest to tell at times. You really have to pay attention to the edge change on that one. Thanks.
Very good 😍😍 Is it possible to learn this jump as an adult? Thank you
Im not sure about the correctness from this toe loop. My trainers told me that i have to use my right outside edge to jump and the toe pick is just a additional help :/.
Awesome! Feel better soon, Jason!
For anyone who doesn’t get it the main difference is how they take off and the entry
What's the name of the move he does at 0:16 where his head almost hits the ice?
Flying camel with illusions?
im working on double axels and triple salchow but for salchow i keep doing a bit over rotated double salchow and backspin the way out
Also remember a few skaters rotate the opposite direction and therefore the landing and takeoff legs are different
Great information although I am still being so confused, but I guess I will get it soon by watching more and more. Thanks for the video!
This video should be better at explaining. th-cam.com/video/HkcAmGCkjtA/w-d-xo.html
I really hope you guys can reply me I really want to ask how do you able to spin two time , three time or four time in the air??? Do you need the speed or the strength or both???
Thank you Jason!
If the goal was to help identify the jumps, the video should have shown the entries. That makes it much easier to tell them apart.
Is it normal that I got my triple flip before the double shalchow? ^^'
They should’ve retaken the Lutz jump 😂 jk. This was a SUPER informative video and helped me understand each jump. Thank you ❤️
All his jumps have very clean text book take offs except the Lutz which has the edge issue. His Lutz certainly doesn't have a strong outside all the way through the way skaters like Nathan Chen have (and Nathan does it on a quad).
Edmund Geswein His flip technique is also not very good. He has a curved entry instead of a straight entry. Skater with not-so-good-flip tend to flutz.
Qiqi Chia His flip may curve, but it picks nice without a lot of prerotation. But perhaps if he practiced flatter flips it might help him with the lutz. Certainly his lutz has some timing issues with the active outside edge being a little early. If he corrected this he'd have to learn to use a good strong "flick" on the take off to get rotation.
Love your voice. 😍 Amazing jumps, btw, you’re incredible.
It's so hard to breath hearing him lol love him tho
every clockwise jumper is grumbling under their breath
YAY thanks! i love how thuis is edited
Best explanation i've seen
i wish they put the sal and loop next to each other. those are the two i always have issues distinguishing.
Salchow: Left Backward Inside edge (LBI)
Loop: Right Backward Outside edge (RBO)
In preparing a Salchow jump, the knees are together and the feet are apart. In preparing a loop jump, the legs are crossed at the knee.
@@RaymondHng THANK YOU!!!! I'm gonna go practice watching and see if I can train my eye. thanks for the explanation.
@@shaunkamakea-young9672 You can see the crossing at the knee at 1:10. If you are on a desktop or laptop computer. Press the space bar to pause the video. Press the "." (period) key to advance the video one frame at a time. Press the "," (comma) to reverse the video one frame at time.
@@shaunkamakea-young9672 This video should be better at explaining. th-cam.com/video/HkcAmGCkjtA/w-d-xo.html
This video is soooo helpful, would definitely help me with double jumps
oh my godddd, what is 0:16 called?? i’ve been looking for it everywhere and how do you do it ?
It's called an illusion
Sad to hear that you were not able to be at the 2018 winter Olympics... but hey, don't ever give up ok xx
I’m 19 years old and I wish my parents had put me in skating lessons when I was younger.
Great explanation. They happen so fast, though, I really can't tell them apart in real-time.
Exactly
@@jackroberts2704 The Axel jump is the easiest to identify because it is the only jump in a forward direction.
Toe loop jump: Right Back Outside edge with toe-pick assist
Salchow jump: Left Back Inside edge
Loop jump: Right Back Outside edge
Flip jump: Left Back Inside edge with toe-pick assist
Lutz jump: Left Back Outside edge with toe-pick assist
Axel jump: Left Forward Outside edge
He's so charismatic!
0:35 ...and you use your frEe leg 😂
Ok but I do hope your cold gets better
"No one has done the quadruple axel"
Ilia Malinin: waves
Thanks this is really helpful
This is so helpful! To a complete noob like me, they all look the same as they happen so fast in real time 😅
Look his Lutz jump’s edge, it is Flutz.
I have questions about his Lutz entry.
I love Jason Brown!
What is the best weight to being an ice skater?
I’m not a skater myself, but I love the sport. I think the easiest place to start, is the difference between a toe pick jump and non-toe pick. Those are obvious. so you can start from there first
I can do a single besides a double loop and sal and lutz is easy for my experience
and yuzuru hanyu just attempted the quad axel today :')
It's easier to tell apart if you look at the entrance of the jumps
I seriously feel like I saw this guy at my skating rank. He just looks familiar. If it was, I never talked to him but he was skating beautifully.
his jumps are beautiful! :0
Ilia Malinin has completed a Quadruple Axel in competition and it was counted as a quad...first one in competition in history.
Didn't Nathan Chen do like, five quads (quadruple axels)?
He can do all quads expept quad axel (It was never done in a competition, just a few videos of people trying and some landed with harness)
This guy is sick!!!🔥🔥🔥
What about Ritberger?
Just casually does triple axel for the video
Aaron Burr, sir?
That was a flutz btw 😂
Ioseb Dzamukashvili already beat u to that comment😂😂
what's a flutz? i've heard it all over the internet but i still don't get it.. a wronged(?) lutz? pre-rotation lutz? errr....
Lydia Sekar a flutz is a lutz but on the inside edge instead of the outside edge, which is incorrect. A lutz has to take off the outside edge.😊⛸
Figure Skating Stan ooh alright thankyou!! ♡
Lydia Sekar yup
I'm terrible at taking off on edge jumps 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
i think his lutz here is actually a flutz. 😱