TCP Global paint even has a addendum about base sitting over 24 hrs. It says scuff the base and clear your good. It's nice you do the lower end gun reviews cause as you said a lot of people cant's afford a $800/$1000 gun . But a 50 to 150 seems attainable to get started nice job on the videos .
Hi mate, yeah, scuffing the base with a grey scotchbright is what most people do, I don't like doing that as you can sometimes see it after clear. It does depend on colour but it does happen. I've had real opposite luck with the cheaper guns, some aren't particularly good but ok, some, like the R100 I recently purchased are rubbish, and some, like this one, are very good, but that's the whole idea of having a TH-cam channel, so I can share my findings and stear people away from the not so good stuff, cheers buddy, thanks for watching. 👍
@setthehook4me Hi Mate, I haven't got one, but in the comments on this video, someone says they got one from the supplier on Aliexpress. If you message the seller, they can point you in the right direction. The thread is 16 x 2, I have 16 x 1.5 adaptors, and they don't fit. I hope that helps 👍
I can't see any difference between this gun and one expensive top gun at the end result off a paint job... . I have 2 off these and they are Top value for money... Thank you friend for this video! You are great! 😊Regards from Greece!
I have an Iwata Bellaria that I really like but I think I like my 4000B better😂 And my Iwata cost 10X more. I too bought a second one in case one fails but they are built so well that I think they will last a long time. Excellent value. Cheers
Hi Gregory, when I unboxed it, I was surprised how well it was made, I hoped it would perform as well as it looked and it didn't disappoint, cheers mate 👍
Hi mate, you're most welcome. I've never heard of any that have such a long window, but, as you have pointed out, 24-hour basecoats do exist. I appreciate it, sir 👍
That's a PPG thing. They make the same claim for DBU and DBC which are their top of the line solvent basecoats. I don't believe it either. @@peteshobbies5383
Brilliant review, ... You've convinced me, I just ordered one, came out at £39.87 all in, ... So look forward to trying it out in the new year when it arrives. Thanks for the review.
@@peteshobbies5383 Thank you so much for this review! I'm looking to start painting my bikes myself. I'm looking at Ntools Mini 888, 1000B and this 4000B, but was rightfully very unsure about the quality, since a lot of these CN guns get really bad reviews on Amazon (Ntools aren't really sold on Amazon). This review helped me tremendously, it gave me the guts to throw some money after this manufacture. Only toke 7 weeks of thinking ;) Again, thank you!
Thanks Pete, I was looking for an inexpensive spray gun to paint my old 89 Silverado. I bought the black hvlp gun that you show in the video and another chrome plated ntools 4000b RP version. The RP version has a higher max pressure written on it. Max pressure on it is 43.5 psi.
Hi buddy, the pressure on the size as a max is often misleading. Some manufacturers put a max, so you know what the maximum pressure the gun should be subjected to. Some is a recommended maximum spray pressure, which obviously is quite different. Have you had a chance to use them yet? , It'll be interesting to hear what you think, cheers mate, appreciate the comments 👍
I just had an operation so it will be awhile before I can try it. The chrome spray gun has the same box but with different printing on it. Strange, it has printed on it "German technology professional manufacturing" along with the address Komwestheim, Germany.
Yes, typical of a lot of Chinese manufacturers' claims, it's based on a Sata 4000, hence the "German Technology" obviously without asking them if they mind which of course they would 🙄, cheers mate, hope you recover soon ?
I'm really suspicious of this gun. Not that it doesn't perform, but rather that it is the same gun as a current popular model in the states called the Spectrum Black Widow. Ironically, the Black Widow is touted by fans by being a very good Sata copy, has the same CFM ratings as you've guessed, and here's the kicker.... the air cap coincidentally has the same amount of holes in the same configuration. The Black Widow now has an updated version with rear fan adjustment that again looks mysteriously like another Ntools gun except for a few minor aesthetics in the body. The same air cap configuration. While I suspect these things, people are going gaga for an $180 gun, yet the Ntools versions are readily available for possibly less than half that price. I hope I don't come up missing for that conspiracy theory 😢 😂 Great shooting, Pete!
Hi Boss, I just looked that up. It has a few cosmetic differences, but very, very similar. When I first got this, I was amazed at how good the build quality felt, especially at 39 USD, giving it some use it performs just as good as it looks and feels, amazing value, cheers mate, always appreciated 👍
Hi Pete! Thanks for the review. Just picked up one after this review. I have 2 question. What is the paint code for the base? I know you referenced it but I am unable to locate it. 2nd question relates to another review I have been waiting for. When will you be reviewing the Blue Astro EUROHE103? Thank you for all your content and detailed information!
Hi mate, the paint code is Yamaha DPB. On some schemes, it will be a two stage, and others are three stages. It is lovely, though. I will get a review of the Astros up soon, I have the blue and the gold one although the blue I haven't used loads as I've lent it to 4 different people so far, a very impressive gun, cheers mate 👍
Hi Mate, I have got one here that someone a friend sent me, it actually another make, but they are the same gun. I haven't used it yet, but I will get around to it one day
This was the good gun i was talkin about a while back. I have one for a while now. Uses more air but. Im exited aboyt it for the pricetag. I payd only 55 euro on aliexpress about 8 month or so back. Not as good as my lplv finixa spg800 but faster and does a good job for the cash.
Hi Jeffrey, as you say, for the money, this is a great tool. It seems well made and can give a good finish. I guess that it uses around 11.5cfm so quie high, which I mentioned in the video. This is it only negative point really especially for people at home who often have limited air, cheers, buddy 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 totaly agree. But in all fairness. 90% of the finish is the painter. 10% the tool Yes a good gun will do the job better. Wich makes it more easy doing a good finish. But a crap gun in the best hands will still do a cracking job.
HI Pete hope you are well , I ended up buying the Ntools 5000 RP , it was looking at the pictures of the air cap and how good it looked that sold me , cant say I'm sorry as it really does perform quite well and for the $219. that they're sold for on eBay here in Australia, considering any good branded gun is at least double I'm very happy with it
Hi Mate, They are really good although you're the second person from Australia to tell me they are around $200 AUD, which is around 90 GBP, so over twice what I paid. I'm not sure if you have used Aliexpress, but they are normally cheaper there, even so, still a great gun for the money, isn't it? Cheers, Roger, I hope alls well with you 👍
Hi Mate, I did mention it in the video. It's a hybrid 😂, it's a Meiji diaphragm regulator with an Iwata dial on it. The Meiji dial gauge got loose and started fluctuating, a bit disappointing really. The digital version I also have has been fine apart from needing a battery, cheers, buddy 👍
I started to watch your videos and I have a low compressor (50L and between 80 - 120 psi is the range when the 2.5hp motor activate and theory 8cfm but I'm considering it as 5cfm) I'm between this Nools and R500 Witch one you suggest to start painting? Can you suggest one cheap to my scenario? Ty for the reviews.
Hi mate, if your air supply is quite low, and it sounds like it is, I would go for the R500. It's not as good as the 4000b, but it uses less air, the 4000B uses around 11.5cfm
Thanks Pete for taking the time to do the videos. I ordered one mainly just to see how it sprays. I really only paint old Volvos as a hobby but going to paint a mate’s Defender in a few months. How flat does it lay down the clear coat compared to say a Prolite T110 cap? The fan looks huge so looks like a gun that would be pretty good to use.
Hi mate, The fan on this is a good size and nicely filled with an even distribution so great to paint with and considering the price, and pretty good build, it's a bargain 😀 As to a comparison with the T110, the Devilbiss cap would give you a slightly flatter finish. Most people, particularly if they don't have good facilities, will need to cut and polish so many won't notice the difference. Appreciate the comments buddy, much appreciated 👍
You will not regret it.. 1 think to keep in mind with this gun.. when the beaker isnt tight enough it will leak internaly. Had that today. Easy enough to check though. But worth mentioning. I love the gun. Biggest pattern of the guns u own. Allso uses the most air.
Hi buddy, Yes, that's the best time to, as long as it dry completely that the time to go, if you go too early it can cause problems with solvent pop at a later date but sounds like the way you do it is all good 👍
Hi Pete, I've just bought the 4000B. My compressor is rated at 10 cfm, and if I'm not mistaken, its tank is around 100 liters. Do you think it will work for painting some bike fairings?
Hi Pete. I watch most of your videos and find them of value. I live in Spain and can not find a Sagola mini extreme for less than €260 at the time of writing this. I own a R500 for 2 years and like it. I also paint mostly bike stuff, a lot of race fairings etc. I also have and like my GF3 with 1.0 . I would like to mention a Chinese gun that i own and really like, it is a Ntools mini 888. I have both 1.0 and 1.2 set up. I paid €35.50 dilivered. It might just be me but i love using this gun and the finish is good.
Hi Mate, Good to hear you like the videos . A few people have mentioned the 888, but I can never find one on Aliexpress. Looking on Google, it looks the same as the SRI Pro Lite copies, more or less, which is quite good, especially for the money. When I got my Mini Xtremes, I paid €195, and now, the same place is €254, they have gone up in the last 2 years by a big amount
Hola, cuál te gusta más, la R500 o la Ntools mini 800? pensé que sería mejor opción la Ntools 4000B que trata éste vídeo, pero parece consume mucho aire según comentarios. Deseo aplicar base y clear en reparación de lienzos automotriz con 2 pistolas. Mis opciones de compra son las 3 pistolas mencionadas más la mini Iwata W71, todas en 1.3 y la 888 en 1.2. ¿Qué me aconsejas en mi compra? saludos desde México.
Hola amigo, el 4000b usa mucho aire, el R500 usa menos pero no tan bajo como dice la gente, es alrededor de 9.5cfm a 2.5bar. El 888 es el mismo que las copias Sri Pro Lite en Aliexpress, por lo que usa mucho menos aire. pero también es más lento ya que es una pistola más pequeña, nunca he usado una W71, así que no puedo comentar sobre eso, ciertamente si quieres una pistola de tamaño completo, la R500 consume poco aire en comparación con la mayoría de las pistolas de tamaño completo.
Pete, first off, thanks for these videos. Im trying to find a good gun to paint my truck and you're helping me alot. I have two questions. 1. Would you buy this over a Kiwami4? (they are 275-300 dollars now). 2. I have an Ingersoll Rand 5hp, 60 gallon, 14cfm at 90psi and 16cfm at 40psi, would it work with this gun? Merry Christmas!!!
Hi Mate, you're welcome, buddy. I genuinely enjoy making the videos and sharing it with you guys. If you are just going to paint your truck and probably not use it afterwards, then I would buy this. If, however, you think you will be doing more after your truck and like quality tools and your not starving the family, then the Kiwami4 would be a good choice. Your compressor should run either, although I estimate this 4000B to be around 10.5CFM @ 29psi , the Kiwami4 BA4J is 8CFM @29psi, I think this 4000B is better performance wise than the R500 Aeropro/Rongpeng type gun but the R500 is not too bad and cheap, and uses about the same air as the Kiwami4 BA4J cap. Cheers, buddy, Happy Christmas 👍
I have both the 4000B and the Bellaria(basically the same as the Kiwami4). They are both very good and I like both. Both are well built and will last. I was impressed how nice the 4000B is for the money. The cup is really nice compared to ones that usually come with cheap guns. The controls are nice and smooth. Nice air cap. It has a big even fan like the Iwata maybe a tad bigger but not noticable. Dont like the swivel air inlet but not a deal breaker. Spare parts are gonna be hard to find but honestly I dont see anything wearing out. Its got thick teflon washers behind the nozzle and under the cup and should last forever if you dont overtighten anything. The cup just hand tightens and I just snug the nozzle on, no leaks. If I had to pick one and money was no issue Id pick the Iwata just because its a reputable brand and parts are readily availablle but I would not feel lacking using the 4000B. The 4000B cost me $50usd off aliexp. Kiwami4's are now around $275-300usd and my W400 Bellaria cost $450usd. They all spray very nice so it all comes down to budget and preference
Pete were do you get those spray bottles from, every time i get a solvent resistant one from amazon or Ebay they seem to stop working I'm assuming the thinner eats something in them and you don't seem to have that problem cheers Scott
Hi Scott, I got them off Ebay around 4 years ago, I got 50 of them with spray heads. you're right though, if they aren't HDPE plastic, the thinners will affect them and they stop pumping
Hi Pete,great video as always...i am looking to buy a good gun i dont care about the brand i just want good finish...so you would say this is best cheap/chinese gun even better then dv1 fake gun or something similar to that...thanks sir
Just a quickie, ... Been using this gun now and for me it's just as good as my Devillbis guns, spray pattern is lovely, can't believe how good this cheap gun is!! Many thanks for letting us all know about this, I might buy another one for my basecoats.
Hi Dave, It's really is rather good, isn't it, and it doesn't seem like it badly made considering the price, definitely a bargain 😀 Appreciate the comments buddy, it's good for others to read rather than just relying on my experiences , cheers 👍
I know this is a bit off topic but how do you cope with the dust issues? I have extractor fans 2 x 18 inch yet I still get dust on my parts, it's so annoying, I even damp the floors, ... Just wondering if you could give me any advice on this.? Cheers.
@dave24v19 Hi Mate, are you sure it's dust? , I don't seem to get much problems with dust, it could be because most of my work is done up off the floor, although I do stuff outside on cars sometimes and don't get many problems there either. I've been thinking about this for a while, mainly because I get people on Instagram sending me photos or videos of their work, many complaining of dust issues, most of the time it's not dust it's impurities coming through the line. I was just wondering if this could be the case?
That's something I've never thought about!! Interesting!! .... I've always bought the expensive 3 way hose filters (water traps) so natrually ruled them out but now you have me thinking, ... Thanks for this, I'm going to do a few tests on the pipes and the water traps. Thanks again mate, cheers 👍
It may be worth checking out, my conditions are far from ideal but I don't get that many problems, the stuff you see on the videos is exactly how they finish off the gun, after all the the point of showing you the results, so you can see, there's very little that has to be done afterwards. It will be interesting to hear how you get on. Thanks, buddy 👍
Great work. I would buy this paint gun if i had a good compressor. But unfortunately don't have. By the way, it's a Fz6 fuel tank as i see. Do you ride a Fz6?
Hi Mate, They are good guns and an absolute bargain at the prices they are. I don't ride an FZ6. Someone I know refurbishes bikes, and he's done a few of them. I have a Yamaha FJR1300, a Honda Varadero, and a Suzuki DR350
Hi Walter, I know you aren't keen on these copy guns, although the patent has well and truly run out on the 4000 , but I am interested to see how they perform, be it good or bad. This is actually very good, and I'm sure someone who buys one of these will either have no intention of investing in a Sata, or, as is often the case, me included, you are so impressed with the copy, you want the real thing and go on and buy one. Certainly, in the case of the Devilbiss copy, the real thing is streets ahead on every level to the copies, and many people go on to buy the real thing. I appreciate your thoughts and comments as always buddy, thank you 👍
I think sata/devilbiss/iwata are going be just fine. It's mostly profesionals that buy their products and a profesional is unlikely to use a lower quality spray gun in production paint shop or profesional setting. The hobbiest is unlikely to to spend the kind of money that a pro would on top tier equipment
Pete, bought one of these just to play about with a project car I’m doing up. Just getting ready to paint a wing and front corner repair of the bumper. Just know idea about coverage. Is how much paint to buy Just wonders if you could advise
@JacobCarlAimiBenson Hi Mate, If it's just a bumper corner you would probably need around 300 to 400ml of ready to go base coat, as for clear, I presume your going to clear the wing and the complete bumper so between 500 and 700ml of ready to use clear coat. Obviously, the size of the vehicle will make a difference as will colour, primer colour, etc, but that's a rough guide. I hope it helps
Can you please make a video on how to take it apart for cleaning and removing some of the grease? Unscrewing the pin on the side ...and how to pull out the rest? Ta
Hi buddy, I'm not sure it will have lots of grease in there. The reason I took the R500 apart was because the trigger keeped sticking, I've had no problems with this, so I don't really need to take this apart. If I do get a problem, rest assured I will make a video about it 👍
Yea pete looks like a copy of a Sata spray gun 🔫 but it would suit someone who's just starting out and carnt afford a £900 pound gun 🔫 so it will be ideal for them good video 📹 very well explained thanks for sharing that
hey pete, thanks for the videos. I am still new in this and just bought a compressor for me, don`t want to spend tons of money and wanna spray on my garage. would you suggest to buy separate guns? 1 for primer, 1 for basecoat and 1 for clear? or I can use like 1 for primer and base in the same gun? and what features in the gun should I consider when buying one for base and one for clear? I am keen to get 2 Ntools, which models of that brand would you recommend? cheers
Hi Mate, a separate gun for primer is the way to go, then base and clear can be the same gun, the Ntools 4000B is available in 1.8 and 1.3 so primer in 1.8 and the other for base/clear
Sir i have ntools 4000b 2bar max and ntools 1000b 3 bar max can you tell me what can i use for prime coat and what can i use for clear coat thank for advance😊
Hi Pete, very interesting video mate I've been looking at these guns on Ali Ex and was thinking that they look well made so if you say they are then they must be good with your engineering background we can rely on your opinion👌 It certainly laid the base very smoothly and the clearcoat looked amazing mate it got a very nice finish from the Upol clear which as you said isn't the most gun friendly product🤭😅so do you think this gun is better than our Astro gun or about the same🤔 I think the open time for our basecoat is around 2 hours after that you need to either scuff it back or as you said give it a coat of basecoat binder, I know I do mine totally wrong as sometimes it's 24 hours before I clear it🤠but for what I do it just doesn't matter🙄🫣 Anyway Pete thanks for sharing your thoughts on this gun I might get myself one in the new year👌👍
Hi John, I wouldn't say it better than the Astro as the Astro is excellent, really, although in the UK, you can get 2 1/2 of these for an Astro. I would get one if you can. They are only around £36 delivered, which is amazing. I've got an X5500 CC cap set coming off Ebay, new for a good price, I know you said I could borrow yours, but I thought if I could get it cheap enough, I would and indeed did 😂, cheers mate, hope your swelling is going down, it would be nice to get better over Christmas even though it is a quiet one, cheers John 👍
Yeah I've been looking at them on Ali Ex and there seems to be a few of them at varying prices so I might need to send you some links and see which you think is the best mate🤔 As I mentioned in my late comment in our chat last night I'm looking forward to seeing how you get on with the CC setup mate, it sounds like you got one at a good price as well👌 Cheers Pete👍
Hi Mate, the settings are mentioned in the video, the base coat I can't remember but it will say in the video, it will vary from colour to colour and the type of paint. Clear coat would normally be 2bar, full fan and full fluid, hope that helps 👍
Hi Mate, it a hybrid. It is a Meiji diaphragm regulator with an Iwata dial gauge on it. The Meiji gauge started playing up, so I can't send a link for it. Sorry
Hi buddy, if something goes wrong, you would just have to buy another. The price of the gun is very low, for example a tip set from Iwata is the same cost as 2 1/2 of these guns so spare part aren't really something that's thought about, not good in this day and age I know but these should last quiet well. Obviously, if a painter is doing a lot of painting, they could get problems with parts
I like guns that you can get parts for but this gun is very well built and sprays most materials with the 1.3 nozzle very well. Nice big even fan, built well, nice cup that doesn't feel cheap. It's got flat teflon orings behind the nozzle and where the cup screws in but if you dont overtighten they will last forever.
I never leave base coat over night without clearing. If i do its because I am tryimg to get some dust or dirt out on witch i will use 600grit then coat it with a coat or two of base again then clear but not often do i need to do that. 24hrs is getting out of your adhesion window
Hi William, It does depend on the base coat, but yes, you shouldn't leave it too long at all. My particular one recommends 30 to 40 minutes after it flashes off. Its long-term people will get problems if they leave it, you just get delamination down the line, cheers mate 👍
Evening Buddy,just want to say after searching the world wide Web for a spray gun that will be suitable for a diyer like myself I stumbled across your channel and have binge watched most of your videos and ultimately bit the bullet and purchased the ntools 4000B about 2 weeks ago, I am looking to respray the lower fairings on my suzuki sv650. I set the gun up yesterday just to test it trying to get the right feel for it and noticed there was a slight leak from the thread on the cup if I pulled the trigger too much,any suggestion to maybe stop it?cheers Pete great content.
@peteshobbies5383 yeah the gun itself where it's threaded to the bottom of the cup, I did think about sticking some ptfe round it but don't want any strands or loose bits getting mixed in with paint.
@peteshobbies5383 curiosity got the better of me and I had to go and check lol, it looks like there's a white plastic ring type seal at the base of the thread so I'm guessing that's it Pete. Once again thanks.
Do you still microwave the clearcoat if you add reducer? I did read your disclaimer about it, but was still curious if you'd done it with reducer added to it also. Thank you!
Hi Buddy, Yes, I do, I microwave it in the state I will use it in, so it's ready to spray. I also do the same with base coat that's mixed with thinners, I wouldn't recommend it for one minute, but it is what I do. Around 8 to 10 seconds per 100ml depending on ambient temperature
Hi buddy, If it's the same gun being used for basecoat and clearcoat then I simply run some cleaning thinners through the gun twice, clean it over, then run some 2k virgin thinners through it to make sure it's completely clean
Hi Mate, You may get away with it, but you will more than likely struggle , 2 HP is probably only 6 or 7 cfm, this uses around 12cfm so you will be relying on your tank, which is particularly big.
Hi Pete, back again, could you do a video dedicated to air compressors? I went with the 3300 GTO EPA gun (250L/min), but my Dynamac 100L compressor can't keep up. I've been searching the market and I found one with 350L/min 3Hp. But when checking videos on TH-cam about it, from empty to full it takes more than two minutes. So, in reality, what does it mean when the manufacturer states those 350L/min? This is going to be a big investment and I wouldn't want to spend close to 1000 quid to then have an air compressor that can't keep up with the gun.
Hi mate, yes, I will try. Regulators and compressors always come up. First off, you really don't need to spend £1000 to get 350lmin, are you talking about a screw or piston compressor?, screw types are very expensive and very good but not really needed most of the time, a piston belt drive should be enough. A compressor that's rated at say 350lmin will actually be somewhere around 260lmin free air. Free air is more of a true reflection of the output of a compressor. A lot of compressors are more or less the same, but with a different name on the side, they can double in price for the same thing. Let me know what type you are looking at for a grand, and I'll try and help. Cheers 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 the 1000 is for a belt driven 3HP Fini or Fiac. Currently I have a Dynamac of 100L, don't know the specs as they desappeared, but with a tornador, at 8 bar, consuming 200L/min, the compressor comes up in twenty seconds and can't keep up with the air for the tornador. At 30 seconds of work the tornador starts to slow down. I've found off brands claiming 350L/min for 299, but I'm not sure that's realistic. (Cevik PRO 50VX)
@PauloAmaral2U Hi Paulo, I have a Cevik Pro 50 VX in Spain, and it will keep up with a Sagola GTO 3300 1.3 EPA cap at 2 bar It's not a belt drive, so it is noisy, but it works well. You can link the 50lt compressor up to your 100lt compressor. That way, you would have 150L, which will also help. You can also have them running together if you wish and have the power supply for 2 together
@@peteshobbies5383 that's what I was thinking, linking both tanks. I'll go for that solution, if the cevik alone can handle the sagola, then together will work for sure. Thank you for your time and patience Pete 🙏
@peteshobbies5383 yes. They sell it on Temu. It has a "zigzag" or "w" on the handle. Could you try again to search on Google with: LNS 5800G HVLP Pictures are very rare, but like it said, there are "holes" for ring and pinkyfinger at the handle.
@@peteshobbies5383 it looks like Sata Copy. Pictures are very rare. It has holes in the Handle like Zigzag. Could you try again and search: LNS 5800G HVLP
Is this gun RP or HVLP? How is its performance in 2k and clear coat sleep? I applied 2k, but the grains were a little thick, can you give us information about this?
Hi Pete ....any idea which PPS adapter would fit the Ntools 4000B ? The one got seems to have a pitch that is smaller than the one on the cup the gun came with. Hope you can help.thanx
Hi pete, great vid like usual... Please do a vid on the Aeropro A608.. Seen some reviews and nothing but good things was said , but nobody has made a vid about it... Do check it out...
@@peteshobbies5383Ya the A608 would be an Interesting review. It looks almost identical to the new Black Widow 2.0 sold here in the US at Harbor Freight. Its getting alot of rave reviews and people saying its better than the old BW. Woud love to see how the 4000B compares. Cheers
@MarcBchannel A few people have said they have the A608 and how good it is . Getting one to the UK would cost around 140 USD, including the tax, so I'm a little bit apprehensive about getting one just in case ,I'll have a think 🤔 😀
@peteshobbies5383 I don't blame you for being on the fence about it. I'm sure you don't need another paint gun to kick around. Plus the 4000B is a hard one to beat. I mite try one out and send it to you and see what you think😁
Hi mate, it is Yamaha DPB , which is Deep Purpleish Blue. Lovely, isn't it. One of my bikes is the same colour. It's a 3 stage on some systems 2 on others 👍
Yeah, I know someone that has one, and they need to spray a little closer and slower than the 1.2 I RP , also a little more pressure, is that what you have found?
I was 2.2bar close and tight overlap. Obviously slow after getting used to the gun and getting better results. Two turns out normal distance really tight overlap 1.8 bar
So you managed to get the pressure down in the end, I normally use the X5500 RP at 2 bar with good results, if you bump it up, as a lot do, you can get a very flat finish. I'm just hoping the CC set is actually worth it and not just Sata hype. Hopefully, with a bit of practice like you have, I'll be getting good results, cheers, mate 👍
I just recieved this gun in the mail. I paid under $50 from Aliexpress. I was a bit skeptical. First impressions. WOW! I can't believe this cost so little. The build quality was awesome. I got the copper/orange color one and it looks really good. Nice trigger and controls. The cup is nice and doesn't leak. I haven't sprayed paint yet but I ran some water through it to check the pattern and its really wide and even. I sprayed it at 20psi and I can tell by the way the water atomized that its gonna spray nice. Loads better than the R500. Uses quite a bit more air tho so it's not gonna work well with small compressors. I don't too much care for the swivel air inlet. Other than that I think this ones gonna be a winner👍
You mean you didn't believe me 😂🤣😅, quite amazing for the money, aren't they mate. It'll be interesting to hear what you think when you've had a chance to use it, cheers mate, Happy New Year 👍
@AA_Ron155 Nice. I've sprayed a few panels with mine. Sprays metallics real nice with that wide fan. With my clear I had to spray at around 26psi. At 30-33 it's too dry. I need to figure out how to change that swivel. It sucks😁
@AA_Ron155 The ones with the swivel on the air inlets that I have are the Porphis guns. My NTools 4000 doesn't. They are rather well made, aren't they considering how much they cost, be interesting to see what you think, Cheers buddy 👍
Hi buddy, I have two 90lt compressors linked, both are 14.5 cfm belt drives, so 180lts total. I normally only have one 90lt running and it can keep up with the most guns, obviously it wouldn't power a mask as well, i use another compressor for that if needed in a separate building and just run a line in
I am trying to find spare rings for my collection of knockoff guns, and it seems impossible to find. Cheap guns can turn into expensive ones if they are useless after the ring breaks .. 😊 How hard can it be for a Chinese manufacturer to offer them as spareparts. Those things are like 20 cents for them.
Hi Harold, I haven't compared them directly, but I don't think they are not compatible. The cheap Chinese copies don't have any form of spare parts backup, so it's very much a throw-away item if something goes wrong or is lost.
@@peteshobbies5383 I just had a chat with an Ali seller and can help me with 4000 baffles (which should fit guns like the Ntools 4000) and he already put them in his shop. He gave me the link and i checked but ouch, that price. 16 euro's for 1 piece. That's more expensive than a Sata one. 😂
Hi Malcolm, No, it isn't, I did mention in the video that I think this consumes around 12.5 CFM, so it's not particularly low. There is a lot made of LVLP, and to be honest with you, I don't think they exist for the most part. The Rongpeng/Aeropro R500 is touted as LVLP. They say it consumes 3.5 CFM at 29psi, it doesn't, its at least twice that, and there others that say the same. The Iwata W400 Bellaria or Kiwami4 BA4J uses about the same as the R500 and is not sold as LVLP, presumably because the manufacturer is less likely to stretch the truth, cheers mate 👍
Hi Mate, no, mine isn't the same, there are no air leaks on my one, I have no way of knowing but if it's the air adjustment knob presumably it's a seal in the adjuster. If you contact the seller and send a video, they normally try to help
@meguinness1116 I'm not sure how they have assembled them, but often, the knob that you turn is just a screw or push fit on the rod, it would be worth getting into contact with whoever you bought it from as the can probably send the parts, was it like it as soon as you got it?
Why 2k thinner to clean the gun instead of standard thinner?and i noticed that you pressure reading is quick to go down to the pressure you want to once you pull the trigger.....mine seams slower to do the same thing, any possible reasons? Ta
Hi mate, I use 2k to flush the gun before I put material in it, help eliminate any chances of impurities left by the cleaning thinners. The regulator dropping so quickly will be down to the diaphragms
@peteshobbies5383 so u are saying that cleaning the gun with regular standard thinners and then spray could give a problems? .. and is better to instead clean it with 2K thinner. Ta
@meguinness1116 Not quite, I clean with standard thinners and store the gun, when I go to use the gun I put a little 2k virgin thinners through the gun, so no impurities are in the gun as standard thinners is normally recycled which means it can have impurities
Hi, It's does depend on where you are as to what you are shown for purpose. This is the link to the onevI purchased, let me know how you get on 👍 a.aliexpress.com/_EJTDq5R
Hi Buddy, these are sold in RP and, as you say, the HVLP version, but they are, in fact, exactly the same, the cheaper Chinese guns often do that and this is no exception 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 I see thank you, you mentioned this has higher than reported air usage around 10+ cfm to run this correctly.. I guess only thing decent at 9 CFM or below is the R500 right now? Wishing there was another Chinese product that runs good at 9 or below and better than R500. (my compressor is 9.5 CFM)
@jonot8547 Yes, this does use quite a lot of air, so it isn't ideal if you have a smaller compressor. The R500 type guns use around 8 CFM at 36 psi so is a little less than the NVE or the 4000B
@@peteshobbies5383 Thank you I decided to go with WUFU tools RF801AG. It was available at my local parts store in Australia on sale. Its LVMP and I'm guessing it is at 9-10 CFM. If you have a chance please have a look/review it. I am hoping this is better than R500 but probably not as good as 4000B but lower consumption. Just realised this is also known as the Eastwood concors pro HVLP gun.
@jonot8547 Hi Buddy, I think I have one , looks very similar, sold under all different names and models, someone gave me it a year ago but haven't tried it yet, will get round to it one day, cheers mate 👍
@peteshobbies5383 Looks like a nice gun for sure! do you recommend this over the Aero pro 610? black one? im trying to get another budget cheaper gun, or would you recommend another one? maybe the fake DV1?
I would go with the ANI F160, it's one of my favourite guns, you can buy a spares kit for very little money, it sprays really well and isn't too expensive 😀
@polish666riot Thank you, I understand now. Many people like faster guns that flow more material. As you say, the LPH400 can be slow, which is often true of the guns that have a split tip design , cheers buddy 👍
TCP Global paint even has a addendum about base sitting over 24 hrs. It says scuff the base and clear your good. It's nice you do the lower end gun reviews cause as you said a lot of people cant's afford a $800/$1000 gun . But a 50 to 150 seems attainable to get started nice job on the videos .
Hi mate, yeah, scuffing the base with a grey scotchbright is what most people do, I don't like doing that as you can sometimes see it after clear. It does depend on colour but it does happen.
I've had real opposite luck with the cheaper guns, some aren't particularly good but ok, some, like the R100 I recently purchased are rubbish, and some, like this one, are very good, but that's the whole idea of having a TH-cam channel, so I can share my findings and stear people away from the not so good stuff, cheers buddy, thanks for watching. 👍
Hi, have you found the PPS (disposal paint cup #1) for this? I measured the threads at M16 x 1.75. Does that match your cup threads as well?
@setthehook4me Hi Mate, I haven't got one, but in the comments on this video, someone says they got one from the supplier on Aliexpress. If you message the seller, they can point you in the right direction.
The thread is 16 x 2, I have 16 x 1.5 adaptors, and they don't fit. I hope that helps 👍
@peteshobbies5383 It helps tremendously! Thank you, sir, for once again providing excellent feedback.
@setthehook4me Your welcome, mate 👍
I can't see any difference between this gun and one expensive top gun at the end result off a paint job... . I have 2 off these and they are Top value for money... Thank you friend for this video! You are great! 😊Regards from Greece!
Hi mate, they are excellent, aren't they, unbelievable when you consider the price, Thanks for watching my friend, much appreciated 👍
I have an Iwata Bellaria that I really like but I think I like my 4000B better😂 And my Iwata cost 10X more. I too bought a second one in case one fails but they are built so well that I think they will last a long time. Excellent value. Cheers
Wow that was a big surprise how good it turned out
Hi Gregory, when I unboxed it, I was surprised how well it was made, I hoped it would perform as well as it looked and it didn't disappoint, cheers mate 👍
Thanks for putting out this review, I've been waiting for it.
In the U.S., Shopline Basecoat (JBX) has a window of 24 hours, according to their TDS.
Hi mate, you're most welcome. I've never heard of any that have such a long window, but, as you have pointed out, 24-hour basecoats do exist. I appreciate it, sir 👍
That's a PPG thing. They make the same claim for DBU and DBC which are their top of the line solvent basecoats. I don't believe it either. @@peteshobbies5383
Brilliant review, ... You've convinced me, I just ordered one, came out at £39.87 all in, ... So look forward to trying it out in the new year when it arrives. Thanks for the review.
Hi Dave, I don't think you'll be disappointed, it really does perform well and at the price they are an absolute bargain, cheers mate 👍
@@peteshobbies5383Do you have the name of the seller or a link to the gun? Thanks
@ianbuckwell1101 Hi Ian, yes mate, this is the one I bought,
a.aliexpress.com/_Ex4nwCX
@@peteshobbies5383 Thankyou
@@peteshobbies5383 Thank you so much for this review! I'm looking to start painting my bikes myself. I'm looking at Ntools Mini 888, 1000B and this 4000B, but was rightfully very unsure about the quality, since a lot of these CN guns get really bad reviews on Amazon (Ntools aren't really sold on Amazon). This review helped me tremendously, it gave me the guts to throw some money after this manufacture. Only toke 7 weeks of thinking ;) Again, thank you!
Thanks Pete, I was looking for an inexpensive spray gun to paint my old 89 Silverado. I bought the black hvlp gun that you show in the video and another chrome plated ntools 4000b RP version. The RP version has a higher max pressure written on it. Max pressure on it is 43.5 psi.
Hi buddy, the pressure on the size as a max is often misleading. Some manufacturers put a max, so you know what the maximum pressure the gun should be subjected to. Some is a recommended maximum spray pressure, which obviously is quite different.
Have you had a chance to use them yet? , It'll be interesting to hear what you think, cheers mate, appreciate the comments 👍
I just had an operation so it will be awhile before I can try it. The chrome spray gun has the same box but with different printing on it. Strange, it has printed on it "German technology professional manufacturing" along with the address Komwestheim, Germany.
Yes, typical of a lot of Chinese manufacturers' claims, it's based on a Sata 4000, hence the "German Technology" obviously without asking them if they mind which of course they would 🙄, cheers mate, hope you recover soon ?
I'm really suspicious of this gun. Not that it doesn't perform, but rather that it is the same gun as a current popular model in the states called the Spectrum Black Widow. Ironically, the Black Widow is touted by fans by being a very good Sata copy, has the same CFM ratings as you've guessed, and here's the kicker.... the air cap coincidentally has the same amount of holes in the same configuration.
The Black Widow now has an updated version with rear fan adjustment that again looks mysteriously like another Ntools gun except for a few minor aesthetics in the body. The same air cap configuration. While I suspect these things, people are going gaga for an $180 gun, yet the Ntools versions are readily available for possibly less than half that price.
I hope I don't come up missing for that conspiracy theory 😢 😂
Great shooting, Pete!
Hi Boss, I just looked that up. It has a few cosmetic differences, but very, very similar.
When I first got this, I was amazed at how good the build quality felt, especially at 39 USD, giving it some use it performs just as good as it looks and feels, amazing value, cheers mate, always appreciated 👍
I think you nailed this!!!!
Hi Jordan, Thanks mate, it's made easier by a really good gun and a cracking tool for the money, cheers, buddy 👍
Hi Pete! Thanks for the review. Just picked up one after this review. I have 2 question. What is the paint code for the base? I know you referenced it but I am unable to locate it. 2nd question relates to another review I have been waiting for. When will you be reviewing the Blue Astro EUROHE103? Thank you for all your content and detailed information!
Hi mate, the paint code is Yamaha DPB. On some schemes, it will be a two stage, and others are three stages. It is lovely, though.
I will get a review of the Astros up soon, I have the blue and the gold one although the blue I haven't used loads as I've lent it to 4 different people so far, a very impressive gun, cheers mate 👍
Hi Pete another great vid, Have you reviewed or any plans to review the Burisch GTR500 from ebay yet? I've Just ordered one for banter.
Hi Mate, I have got one here that someone a friend sent me, it actually another make, but they are the same gun. I haven't used it yet, but I will get around to it one day
This was the good gun i was talkin about a while back. I have one for a while now. Uses more air but. Im exited aboyt it for the pricetag. I payd only 55 euro on aliexpress about 8 month or so back.
Not as good as my lplv finixa spg800 but faster and does a good job for the cash.
Hi Jeffrey, as you say, for the money, this is a great tool. It seems well made and can give a good finish.
I guess that it uses around 11.5cfm so quie high, which I mentioned in the video. This is it only negative point really especially for people at home who often have limited air, cheers, buddy 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 totaly agree. But in all fairness.
90% of the finish is the painter. 10% the tool
Yes a good gun will do the job better.
Wich makes it more easy doing a good finish. But a crap gun in the best hands will still do a cracking job.
@jeffreybres3999 I wouldn't disagree, mate. A good gun with a good pattern will certainly make it easier, particularly for someone inexperienced
HI Pete hope you are well , I ended up buying the Ntools 5000 RP , it was looking at the pictures of the air cap and how good it looked that sold me , cant say I'm sorry as it really does perform quite well and for the $219. that they're sold for on eBay here in Australia, considering any good branded gun is at least double I'm very happy with it
Hi Mate, They are really good although you're the second person from Australia to tell me they are around $200 AUD, which is around 90 GBP, so over twice what I paid.
I'm not sure if you have used Aliexpress, but they are normally cheaper there, even so, still a great gun for the money, isn't it? Cheers, Roger, I hope alls well with you 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 that’s how it is way out here lol
Hi Pete! Nice work and finish 😎. What regulator you used in this video?
Hi Mate, I did mention it in the video. It's a hybrid 😂, it's a Meiji diaphragm regulator with an Iwata dial on it.
The Meiji dial gauge got loose and started fluctuating, a bit disappointing really. The digital version I also have has been fine apart from needing a battery, cheers, buddy 👍
I started to watch your videos and I have a low compressor (50L and between 80 - 120 psi is the range when the 2.5hp motor activate and theory 8cfm but I'm considering it as 5cfm) I'm between this Nools and R500 Witch one you suggest to start painting? Can you suggest one cheap to my scenario? Ty for the reviews.
Hi mate, if your air supply is quite low, and it sounds like it is, I would go for the R500. It's not as good as the 4000b, but it uses less air, the 4000B uses around 11.5cfm
Thanks Pete for taking the time to do the videos. I ordered one mainly just to see how it sprays. I really only paint old Volvos as a hobby but going to paint a mate’s Defender in a few months. How flat does it lay down the clear coat compared to say a Prolite T110 cap? The fan looks huge so looks like a gun that would be pretty good to use.
Hi mate, The fan on this is a good size and nicely filled with an even distribution so great to paint with and considering the price, and pretty good build, it's a bargain 😀
As to a comparison with the T110, the Devilbiss cap would give you a slightly flatter finish.
Most people, particularly if they don't have good facilities, will need to cut and polish so many won't notice the difference.
Appreciate the comments buddy, much appreciated 👍
You will not regret it.. 1 think to keep in mind with this gun.. when the beaker isnt tight enough it will leak internaly.
Had that today. Easy enough to check though. But worth mentioning. I love the gun. Biggest pattern of the guns u own. Allso uses the most air.
I like to clear over my base shortly after I can put my finger on tape and not leave my print or the sticky is gone ?
Hi buddy, Yes, that's the best time to, as long as it dry completely that the time to go, if you go too early it can cause problems with solvent pop at a later date but sounds like the way you do it is all good 👍
Hi Pete, I've just bought the 4000B. My compressor is rated at 10 cfm, and if I'm not mistaken, its tank is around 100 liters. Do you think it will work for painting some bike fairings?
Hi Pete. I watch most of your videos and find them of value. I live in Spain and can not find a Sagola mini extreme for less than €260 at the time of writing this. I own a R500 for 2 years and like it. I also paint mostly bike stuff, a lot of race fairings etc. I also have and like my GF3 with 1.0 . I would like to mention a Chinese gun that i own and really like, it is a Ntools mini 888. I have both 1.0 and 1.2 set up. I paid €35.50 dilivered. It might just be me but i love using this gun and the finish is good.
Hi Mate, Good to hear you like the videos .
A few people have mentioned the 888, but I can never find one on Aliexpress. Looking on Google, it looks the same as the SRI Pro Lite copies, more or less, which is quite good, especially for the money.
When I got my Mini Xtremes, I paid €195, and now, the same place is €254, they have gone up in the last 2 years by a big amount
Hola, cuál te gusta más, la R500 o la Ntools mini 800? pensé que sería mejor opción la Ntools 4000B que trata éste vídeo, pero parece consume mucho aire según comentarios. Deseo aplicar base y clear en reparación de lienzos automotriz con 2 pistolas. Mis opciones de compra son las 3 pistolas mencionadas más la mini Iwata W71, todas en 1.3 y la 888 en 1.2. ¿Qué me aconsejas en mi compra? saludos desde México.
Hola amigo, el 4000b usa mucho aire, el R500 usa menos pero no tan bajo como dice la gente, es alrededor de 9.5cfm a 2.5bar. El 888 es el mismo que las copias Sri Pro Lite en Aliexpress, por lo que usa mucho menos aire. pero también es más lento ya que es una pistola más pequeña, nunca he usado una W71, así que no puedo comentar sobre eso, ciertamente si quieres una pistola de tamaño completo, la R500 consume poco aire en comparación con la mayoría de las pistolas de tamaño completo.
Pete, first off, thanks for these videos. Im trying to find a good gun to paint my truck and you're helping me alot. I have two questions. 1. Would you buy this over a Kiwami4? (they are 275-300 dollars now). 2. I have an Ingersoll Rand 5hp, 60 gallon, 14cfm at 90psi and 16cfm at 40psi, would it work with this gun? Merry Christmas!!!
Hi Mate, you're welcome, buddy. I genuinely enjoy making the videos and sharing it with you guys.
If you are just going to paint your truck and probably not use it afterwards, then I would buy this.
If, however, you think you will be doing more after your truck and like quality tools and your not starving the family, then the Kiwami4 would be a good choice.
Your compressor should run either, although I estimate this 4000B to be around 10.5CFM @ 29psi , the Kiwami4 BA4J is 8CFM @29psi, I think this 4000B is better performance wise than the R500 Aeropro/Rongpeng type gun but the R500 is not too bad and cheap, and uses about the same air as the Kiwami4 BA4J cap.
Cheers, buddy, Happy Christmas 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 perfect, thanks again
I have both the 4000B and the Bellaria(basically the same as the Kiwami4). They are both very good and I like both. Both are well built and will last. I was impressed how nice the 4000B is for the money. The cup is really nice compared to ones that usually come with cheap guns. The controls are nice and smooth. Nice air cap. It has a big even fan like the Iwata maybe a tad bigger but not noticable. Dont like the swivel air inlet but not a deal breaker. Spare parts are gonna be hard to find but honestly I dont see anything wearing out. Its got thick teflon washers behind the nozzle and under the cup and should last forever if you dont overtighten anything. The cup just hand tightens and I just snug the nozzle on, no leaks. If I had to pick one and money was no issue Id pick the Iwata just because its a reputable brand and parts are readily availablle but I would not feel lacking using the 4000B. The 4000B cost me $50usd off aliexp. Kiwami4's are now around $275-300usd and my W400 Bellaria cost $450usd. They all spray very nice so it all comes down to budget and preference
Pete were do you get those spray bottles from, every time i get a solvent resistant one from amazon or Ebay they seem to stop working I'm assuming the thinner eats something in them and you don't seem to have that problem cheers Scott
Hi Scott, I got them off Ebay around 4 years ago, I got 50 of them with spray heads. you're right though, if they aren't HDPE plastic, the thinners will affect them and they stop pumping
Your videos are very good, very educational.
Hi Edilson, Thanks, mate, it's much appreciated 👍
Hi, Pete thanks for the reviews, which cheap spray gun would you recommend for laying excellent finish clearcoat (mostly for motorcycle parts)?
Hi buddy, what sort of air supply do you have?
160 psi air compressor
@Ali-nb1tx What CFM and what's the holding tank size ?
Holding capacity is around 50L.
Do you know the output in CFM, it's quite important as it dictates what guns you can use without the pressure dropping off
Hi Pete,great video as always...i am looking to buy a good gun i dont care about the brand i just want good finish...so you would say this is best cheap/chinese gun even better then dv1 fake gun or something similar to that...thanks sir
Hi mate, Yes, this is a great cheap gun provided you have a good air supply, I estimate this at around 12cfm and 29psi
Just a quickie, ... Been using this gun now and for me it's just as good as my Devillbis guns, spray pattern is lovely, can't believe how good this cheap gun is!! Many thanks for letting us all know about this, I might buy another one for my basecoats.
Hi Dave, It's really is rather good, isn't it, and it doesn't seem like it badly made considering the price, definitely a bargain 😀
Appreciate the comments buddy, it's good for others to read rather than just relying on my experiences , cheers 👍
I know this is a bit off topic but how do you cope with the dust issues? I have extractor fans 2 x 18 inch yet I still get dust on my parts, it's so annoying, I even damp the floors, ... Just wondering if you could give me any advice on this.? Cheers.
@dave24v19 Hi Mate, are you sure it's dust? , I don't seem to get much problems with dust, it could be because most of my work is done up off the floor, although I do stuff outside on cars sometimes and don't get many problems there either.
I've been thinking about this for a while, mainly because I get people on Instagram sending me photos or videos of their work, many complaining of dust issues, most of the time it's not dust it's impurities coming through the line.
I was just wondering if this could be the case?
That's something I've never thought about!! Interesting!! .... I've always bought the expensive 3 way hose filters (water traps) so natrually ruled them out but now you have me thinking, ... Thanks for this, I'm going to do a few tests on the pipes and the water traps. Thanks again mate, cheers 👍
It may be worth checking out, my conditions are far from ideal but I don't get that many problems, the stuff you see on the videos is exactly how they finish off the gun, after all the the point of showing you the results, so you can see, there's very little that has to be done afterwards.
It will be interesting to hear how you get on. Thanks, buddy 👍
Great work. I would buy this paint gun if i had a good compressor. But unfortunately don't have. By the way, it's a Fz6 fuel tank as i see. Do you ride a Fz6?
Hi Mate, They are good guns and an absolute bargain at the prices they are.
I don't ride an FZ6. Someone I know refurbishes bikes, and he's done a few of them.
I have a Yamaha FJR1300, a Honda Varadero, and a Suzuki DR350
Wonder what you will tell us when Devilbis close the UK business because why to buy original product if someone still technology and making the copy!
Hi Walter, I know you aren't keen on these copy guns, although the patent has well and truly run out on the 4000 , but I am interested to see how they perform, be it good or bad.
This is actually very good, and I'm sure someone who buys one of these will either have no intention of investing in a Sata, or, as is often the case, me included, you are so impressed with the copy, you want the real thing and go on and buy one.
Certainly, in the case of the Devilbiss copy, the real thing is streets ahead on every level to the copies, and many people go on to buy the real thing.
I appreciate your thoughts and comments as always buddy, thank you 👍
I think sata/devilbiss/iwata are going be just fine. It's mostly profesionals that buy their products and a profesional is unlikely to use a lower quality spray gun in production paint shop or profesional setting. The hobbiest is unlikely to to spend the kind of money that a pro would on top tier equipment
Pete, bought one of these just to play about with a project car I’m doing up. Just getting ready to paint a wing and front corner repair of the bumper. Just know idea about coverage. Is how much paint to buy Just wonders if you could advise
@JacobCarlAimiBenson Hi Mate, If it's just a bumper corner you would probably need around 300 to 400ml of ready to go base coat, as for clear, I presume your going to clear the wing and the complete bumper so between 500 and 700ml of ready to use clear coat.
Obviously, the size of the vehicle will make a difference as will colour, primer colour, etc, but that's a rough guide. I hope it helps
Ntools banyak ku jumpai di onlineshop Indonesia jg
Hai sobat, yang ini sangat bagus untuk uangnya
@@peteshobbies5383 iya aku tau senjata ntools memang terjangkau. Aku baru saja membeli sagola junior G. Bagaimana pendapatmu tentang senjata itu?
Can you please make a video on how to take it apart for cleaning and removing some of the grease? Unscrewing the pin on the side ...and how to pull out the rest? Ta
Hi buddy, I'm not sure it will have lots of grease in there. The reason I took the R500 apart was because the trigger keeped sticking, I've had no problems with this, so I don't really need to take this apart.
If I do get a problem, rest assured I will make a video about it 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 thanks 👍
Yea pete looks like a copy of a Sata spray gun 🔫 but it would suit someone who's just starting out and carnt afford a £900 pound gun 🔫 so it will be ideal for them good video 📹 very well explained thanks for sharing that
Thanks, Andrew. Yeah, that's a perfect way to sum it up. Cheers, mate 👍
hey pete, thanks for the videos. I am still new in this and just bought a compressor for me, don`t want to spend tons of money and wanna spray on my garage. would you suggest to buy separate guns? 1 for primer, 1 for basecoat and 1 for clear? or I can use like 1 for primer and base in the same gun? and what features in the gun should I consider when buying one for base and one for clear?
I am keen to get 2 Ntools, which models of that brand would you recommend? cheers
Hi Mate, a separate gun for primer is the way to go, then base and clear can be the same gun, the Ntools 4000B is available in 1.8 and 1.3 so primer in 1.8 and the other for base/clear
Sir i have ntools 4000b 2bar max and ntools 1000b 3 bar max can you tell me what can i use for prime coat and what can i use for clear coat thank for advance😊
Hi Buddy, the 1000B is a primer gun, and the 4400B is a clear and base coat gun
@peteshobbies5383 sir can i use 1000b for topcoat or not?
@kcpinera5409 Depends on the tip size. You can, but the result isn't normally as good
Hi Pete, very interesting video mate I've been looking at these guns on Ali Ex and was thinking that they look well made so if you say they are then they must be good with your engineering background we can rely on your opinion👌
It certainly laid the base very smoothly and the clearcoat looked amazing mate it got a very nice finish from the Upol clear which as you said isn't the most gun friendly product🤭😅so do you think this gun is better than our Astro gun or about the same🤔
I think the open time for our basecoat is around 2 hours after that you need to either scuff it back or as you said give it a coat of basecoat binder, I know I do mine totally wrong as sometimes it's 24 hours before I clear it🤠but for what I do it just doesn't matter🙄🫣
Anyway Pete thanks for sharing your thoughts on this gun I might get myself one in the new year👌👍
Hi John, I wouldn't say it better than the Astro as the Astro is excellent, really, although in the UK, you can get 2 1/2 of these for an Astro.
I would get one if you can. They are only around £36 delivered, which is amazing.
I've got an X5500 CC cap set coming off Ebay, new for a good price, I know you said I could borrow yours, but I thought if I could get it cheap enough, I would and indeed did 😂, cheers mate, hope your swelling is going down, it would be nice to get better over Christmas even though it is a quiet one, cheers John 👍
Yeah I've been looking at them on Ali Ex and there seems to be a few of them at varying prices so I might need to send you some links and see which you think is the best mate🤔
As I mentioned in my late comment in our chat last night I'm looking forward to seeing how you get on with the CC setup mate, it sounds like you got one at a good price as well👌
Cheers Pete👍
@JohnWD40TC02 This is the one I got mate,
a.aliexpress.com/_EzgdD3F
Can you share settings? I mean preasure when you do the base and clear? And also how many turns you unscrew material
Hi Mate, the settings are mentioned in the video, the base coat I can't remember but it will say in the video, it will vary from colour to colour and the type of paint.
Clear coat would normally be 2bar, full fan and full fluid, hope that helps 👍
what air regulator is the one you are using?brand or a link to where to purchase it? ta
Hi Mate, it a hybrid. It is a Meiji diaphragm regulator with an Iwata dial gauge on it. The Meiji gauge started playing up, so I can't send a link for it. Sorry
thanx, i just purchased the 4000b due to your video, ta 😁@@peteshobbies5383
but where to get spare parts or nozzles of different sizes?
Hi buddy, if something goes wrong, you would just have to buy another.
The price of the gun is very low, for example a tip set from Iwata is the same cost as 2 1/2 of these guns so spare part aren't really something that's thought about, not good in this day and age I know but these should last quiet well.
Obviously, if a painter is doing a lot of painting, they could get problems with parts
I like guns that you can get parts for but this gun is very well built and sprays most materials with the 1.3 nozzle very well. Nice big even fan, built well, nice cup that doesn't feel cheap. It's got flat teflon orings behind the nozzle and where the cup screws in but if you dont overtighten they will last forever.
I never leave base coat over night without clearing. If i do its because I am tryimg to get some dust or dirt out on witch i will use 600grit then coat it with a coat or two of base again then clear but not often do i need to do that. 24hrs is getting out of your adhesion window
Hi William, It does depend on the base coat, but yes, you shouldn't leave it too long at all. My particular one recommends 30 to 40 minutes after it flashes off.
Its long-term people will get problems if they leave it, you just get delamination down the line, cheers mate 👍
Evening Buddy,just want to say after searching the world wide Web for a spray gun that will be suitable for a diyer like myself I stumbled across your channel and have binge watched most of your videos and ultimately bit the bullet and purchased the ntools 4000B about 2 weeks ago, I am looking to respray the lower fairings on my suzuki sv650. I set the gun up yesterday just to test it trying to get the right feel for it and noticed there was a slight leak from the thread on the cup if I pulled the trigger too much,any suggestion to maybe stop it?cheers Pete great content.
Hi Mate, is it leaking where it enters the gun or out the lid on top?
@peteshobbies5383 yeah the gun itself where it's threaded to the bottom of the cup, I did think about sticking some ptfe round it but don't want any strands or loose bits getting mixed in with paint.
@rickeaton2653 Someone else had the same problem, there should be a sealing ring at the bottom if I remember rightly, is it there ?
@peteshobbies5383 I don't remember seeing one in there if im honest, I'll check tomorrow and let you know, cheers mate.
@peteshobbies5383 curiosity got the better of me and I had to go and check lol, it looks like there's a white plastic ring type seal at the base of the thread so I'm guessing that's it Pete.
Once again thanks.
Do you still microwave the clearcoat if you add reducer? I did read your disclaimer about it, but was still curious if you'd done it with reducer added to it also.
Thank you!
Hi Buddy, Yes, I do, I microwave it in the state I will use it in, so it's ready to spray.
I also do the same with base coat that's mixed with thinners, I wouldn't recommend it for one minute, but it is what I do.
Around 8 to 10 seconds per 100ml depending on ambient temperature
Thank you again for a timely and thorough response.
Much appreciated
@setthehook4me Your most welcome, buddy 👍
How do you clean pistol before base and clear coat.. Thanks
Hi buddy, If it's the same gun being used for basecoat and clearcoat then I simply run some cleaning thinners through the gun twice, clean it over, then run some 2k virgin thinners through it to make sure it's completely clean
What kind of compressor do you recommend for this gun? For smaller projects such as coating the tank in the vid.
2HP; 50 liters?
Hi Mate, You may get away with it, but you will more than likely struggle , 2 HP is probably only 6 or 7 cfm, this uses around 12cfm so you will be relying on your tank, which is particularly big.
Hi Pete, back again, could you do a video dedicated to air compressors? I went with the 3300 GTO EPA gun (250L/min), but my Dynamac 100L compressor can't keep up. I've been searching the market and I found one with 350L/min 3Hp. But when checking videos on TH-cam about it, from empty to full it takes more than two minutes. So, in reality, what does it mean when the manufacturer states those 350L/min? This is going to be a big investment and I wouldn't want to spend close to 1000 quid to then have an air compressor that can't keep up with the gun.
Hi mate, yes, I will try. Regulators and compressors always come up.
First off, you really don't need to spend £1000 to get 350lmin, are you talking about a screw or piston compressor?, screw types are very expensive and very good but not really needed most of the time, a piston belt drive should be enough.
A compressor that's rated at say 350lmin will actually be somewhere around 260lmin free air. Free air is more of a true reflection of the output of a compressor.
A lot of compressors are more or less the same, but with a different name on the side, they can double in price for the same thing.
Let me know what type you are looking at for a grand, and I'll try and help. Cheers 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 the 1000 is for a belt driven 3HP Fini or Fiac. Currently I have a Dynamac of 100L, don't know the specs as they desappeared, but with a tornador, at 8 bar, consuming 200L/min, the compressor comes up in twenty seconds and can't keep up with the air for the tornador. At 30 seconds of work the tornador starts to slow down.
I've found off brands claiming 350L/min for 299, but I'm not sure that's realistic. (Cevik PRO 50VX)
@PauloAmaral2U Hi Paulo, I have a Cevik Pro 50 VX in Spain, and it will keep up with a Sagola GTO 3300 1.3 EPA cap at 2 bar
It's not a belt drive, so it is noisy, but it works well. You can link the 50lt compressor up to your 100lt compressor. That way, you would have 150L, which will also help. You can also have them running together if you wish and have the power supply for 2 together
@@peteshobbies5383 that's what I was thinking, linking both tanks. I'll go for that solution, if the cevik alone can handle the sagola, then together will work for sure. Thank you for your time and patience Pete 🙏
@@PauloAmaral2U You're welcome 👍
Hi Pete!
Did you ever used the Chinese spray gun called:
LNS 5800B ? Buyers talk very good about it.
Hi buddy, No, I haven't used it and have not heard of it, I just did a search, and nothing came up. Is that the right name?
@peteshobbies5383 yes. They sell it on Temu. It has a "zigzag" or "w" on the handle. Could you try again to search on Google with:
LNS 5800G HVLP
Pictures are very rare, but like it said, there are "holes" for ring and pinkyfinger at the handle.
@@peteshobbies5383 it looks like Sata Copy. Pictures are very rare. It has holes in the Handle like Zigzag. Could you try again and search:
LNS 5800G HVLP
Is this gun RP or HVLP? How is its performance in 2k and clear coat sleep? I applied 2k, but the grains were a little thick, can you give us information about this?
Hi Buddy, It says it in the title of the video. It's an RP. It is very good for a 2k clear coat. It's what I'm using in the video
Hi Pete ....any idea which PPS adapter would fit the Ntools 4000B ? The one got seems to have a pitch that is smaller than the one on the cup the gun came with. Hope you can help.thanx
Hi mate, what one do you have? The thread is 16mm x 2mm. You can get them on Aliexpress, but as far as I know, 3m don't make them
@@peteshobbies5383 I have the 16x1.5....i ordered the 16x2 from Ali👍,thanx
Hi pete, great vid like usual... Please do a vid on the Aeropro A608.. Seen some reviews and nothing but good things was said , but nobody has made a vid about it... Do check it out...
Hi buddy, yes, it's on my list mate so won't be long. Cheers 👍
@@peteshobbies5383Ya the A608 would be an Interesting review. It looks almost identical to the new Black Widow 2.0 sold here in the US at Harbor Freight. Its getting alot of rave reviews and people saying its better than the old BW. Woud love to see how the 4000B compares. Cheers
@MarcBchannel A few people have said they have the A608 and how good it is . Getting one to the UK would cost around 140 USD, including the tax, so I'm a little bit apprehensive about getting one just in case ,I'll have a think 🤔 😀
@peteshobbies5383 I don't blame you for being on the fence about it. I'm sure you don't need another paint gun to kick around. Plus the 4000B is a hard one to beat. I mite try one out and send it to you and see what you think😁
@MarcBchannel If it's that good you won't want to let it go 🤣😅, cheers mate 👍
Nice ,what's the code nice colour
Hi mate, it is Yamaha DPB , which is Deep Purpleish Blue. Lovely, isn't it. One of my bikes is the same colour.
It's a 3 stage on some systems 2 on others 👍
Have you tried the new sata 5500x 1.3cc
Hi Buddy, No, not yet, I have got a CC tip/cap set coming, so I will be able to see what it's like
I have had one a month or two and love it, takes a little fitting use too, it’s really slow but very very smooth
Yeah, I know someone that has one, and they need to spray a little closer and slower than the 1.2 I RP , also a little more pressure, is that what you have found?
I was 2.2bar close and tight overlap. Obviously slow after getting used to the gun and getting better results. Two turns out normal distance really tight overlap 1.8 bar
So you managed to get the pressure down in the end, I normally use the X5500 RP at 2 bar with good results, if you bump it up, as a lot do, you can get a very flat finish.
I'm just hoping the CC set is actually worth it and not just Sata hype. Hopefully, with a bit of practice like you have, I'll be getting good results, cheers, mate 👍
I just recieved this gun in the mail. I paid under $50 from Aliexpress. I was a bit skeptical. First impressions. WOW! I can't believe this cost so little. The build quality was awesome. I got the copper/orange color one and it looks really good. Nice trigger and controls. The cup is nice and doesn't leak. I haven't sprayed paint yet but I ran some water through it to check the pattern and its really wide and even. I sprayed it at 20psi and I can tell by the way the water atomized that its gonna spray nice. Loads better than the R500. Uses quite a bit more air tho so it's not gonna work well with small compressors. I don't too much care for the swivel air inlet. Other than that I think this ones gonna be a winner👍
You mean you didn't believe me 😂🤣😅, quite amazing for the money, aren't they mate.
It'll be interesting to hear what you think when you've had a chance to use it, cheers mate, Happy New Year 👍
@peteshobbies5383 🤣🤣🤣. Happy new year, cheers
I picked up a black one on sale for 35 USD to my door. It looks quite good, and no swivel on the air inlet.
@AA_Ron155 Nice. I've sprayed a few panels with mine. Sprays metallics real nice with that wide fan. With my clear I had to spray at around 26psi. At 30-33 it's too dry. I need to figure out how to change that swivel. It sucks😁
@AA_Ron155 The ones with the swivel on the air inlets that I have are the Porphis guns. My NTools 4000 doesn't.
They are rather well made, aren't they considering how much they cost, be interesting to see what you think, Cheers buddy 👍
How many liters is your tank and hp of the compressor you use to use this weapon?
Hi buddy, I have two 90lt compressors linked, both are 14.5 cfm belt drives, so 180lts total.
I normally only have one 90lt running and it can keep up with the most guns, obviously it wouldn't power a mask as well, i use another compressor for that if needed in a separate building and just run a line in
Pete, do you know if the original plastic Sata air distribution rings fit in the Sata knockoffs like the Ntools 4000?
I am trying to find spare rings for my collection of knockoff guns, and it seems impossible to find. Cheap guns can turn into expensive ones if they are useless after the ring breaks .. 😊
How hard can it be for a Chinese manufacturer to offer them as spareparts. Those things are like 20 cents for them.
Hi Harold, I haven't compared them directly, but I don't think they are not compatible.
The cheap Chinese copies don't have any form of spare parts backup, so it's very much a throw-away item if something goes wrong or is lost.
@@peteshobbies5383 I just had a chat with an Ali seller and can help me with 4000 baffles (which should fit guns like the Ntools 4000) and he already put them in his shop. He gave me the link and i checked but ouch, that price. 16 euro's for 1 piece. That's more expensive than a Sata one. 😂
@@peteshobbies5383 I found a seller who has baffles for the 4000 copyguns, but they are 16 euro's a piece. 😂
Umm.....so is this a low volume or a high volume spray gun 🤔?
Hi Malcolm, No, it isn't, I did mention in the video that I think this consumes around 12.5 CFM, so it's not particularly low.
There is a lot made of LVLP, and to be honest with you, I don't think they exist for the most part.
The Rongpeng/Aeropro R500 is touted as LVLP. They say it consumes 3.5 CFM at 29psi, it doesn't, its at least twice that, and there others that say the same.
The Iwata W400 Bellaria or Kiwami4 BA4J uses about the same as the R500 and is not sold as LVLP, presumably because the manufacturer is less likely to stretch the truth, cheers mate 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 oh ! Ok 👌🏽 thanks for clearing that up for me...
@malcolmthaggard5259 Your welcome 👍
Hi, can you tell me which seller you bought the gun from please? Just want to try and make sure I get the same one, Thankyou
Hi Ian, yes, here's the link,
a.aliexpress.com/_Ex4nwCX
Hi....my 4000b seam to leak air from the air adjustment knob....is your the same and if not what would solve the problem? Thanx
Hi Mate, no, mine isn't the same, there are no air leaks on my one, I have no way of knowing but if it's the air adjustment knob presumably it's a seal in the adjuster.
If you contact the seller and send a video, they normally try to help
@@peteshobbies5383any idea how to take apart the knob? Ta
@meguinness1116 I'm not sure how they have assembled them, but often, the knob that you turn is just a screw or push fit on the rod, it would be worth getting into contact with whoever you bought it from as the can probably send the parts, was it like it as soon as you got it?
@@peteshobbies5383 I pop out the knob... reassemble it .... and it doesn't leak anymore 😧.
@meguinness1116 Excellent 😃
Why 2k thinner to clean the gun instead of standard thinner?and i noticed that you pressure reading is quick to go down to the pressure you want to once you pull the trigger.....mine seams slower to do the same thing, any possible reasons? Ta
Hi mate, I use 2k to flush the gun before I put material in it, help eliminate any chances of impurities left by the cleaning thinners.
The regulator dropping so quickly will be down to the diaphragms
@peteshobbies5383 so u are saying that cleaning the gun with regular standard thinners and then spray could give a problems? .. and is better to instead clean it with 2K thinner. Ta
@meguinness1116 Not quite, I clean with standard thinners and store the gun, when I go to use the gun I put a little 2k virgin thinners through the gun, so no impurities are in the gun as standard thinners is normally recycled which means it can have impurities
@@peteshobbies5383 Thank you very much Very important information you gave me I didn't know about the standard thinner 👍
@meguinness1116 You're welcome, buddy 👍
I can't seem to find this gun anywhere! Got recommendations on where to find it? Or any links? Thanks!
Hi, It's does depend on where you are as to what you are shown for purpose. This is the link to the onevI purchased, let me know how you get on 👍
a.aliexpress.com/_EJTDq5R
@@peteshobbies5383just received mine. Will try it out and post a little update on it
I think you have the HVLP, not the RP.
Hi Buddy, these are sold in RP and, as you say, the HVLP version, but they are, in fact, exactly the same, the cheaper Chinese guns often do that and this is no exception 👍
hello , how many turns you unscrew material ? bye tks
Hi Again, buddy, for clear coat. Nearly all the time on most guns, I will use full fluid
@@peteshobbies5383 hello dear tks very much i will try :)
@misteriitaliani You're welcome, buddy 👍
how does this compare to the NTools NVE? Thanks mate
Hi mate, I think this is better overall, but the NVE is better for someone new to spraying as it is more controllable
@@peteshobbies5383 I see thank you, you mentioned this has higher than reported air usage around 10+ cfm to run this correctly.. I guess only thing decent at 9 CFM or below is the R500 right now? Wishing there was another Chinese product that runs good at 9 or below and better than R500. (my compressor is 9.5 CFM)
@jonot8547 Yes, this does use quite a lot of air, so it isn't ideal if you have a smaller compressor. The R500 type guns use around 8 CFM at 36 psi so is a little less than the NVE or the 4000B
@@peteshobbies5383 Thank you I decided to go with WUFU tools RF801AG. It was available at my local parts store in Australia on sale. Its LVMP and I'm guessing it is at 9-10 CFM. If you have a chance please have a look/review it. I am hoping this is better than R500 but probably not as good as 4000B but lower consumption. Just realised this is also known as the Eastwood concors pro HVLP gun.
@jonot8547 Hi Buddy, I think I have one , looks very similar, sold under all different names and models, someone gave me it a year ago but haven't tried it yet, will get round to it one day, cheers mate 👍
What about 5000b ?
Hi buddy, I've never tried the copy , only the real thing, so I can't say what it's like
It looks the same but is RP version not HVLP , maybe in the future will see a test video from you :)
Hi buddy, these cheaper Chinese guns generally have all the same caps. Some say HVLP, some say RP, but they are the same
@@peteshobbies5383yes, thats true! I did buy a hvlp and on the cap is written RP.
Yeah, it is normally the case. They put whatever they fancy on them, but they are the same cap
@peteshobbies5383 Looks like a nice gun for sure! do you recommend this over the Aero pro 610? black one? im trying to get another budget cheaper gun, or would you recommend another one? maybe the fake DV1?
Hi mate, I would recommend this over any you mentioned, provided you have a good strong air supply this is better for sure
@@peteshobbies5383what about this 4000B vs ANI F160? Which one you think atomizes better?
I would go with the ANI F160, it's one of my favourite guns, you can buy a spares kit for very little money, it sprays really well and isn't too expensive 😀
Hi. I have iwata lvx400, will it more productive on clear ?
Hi buddy, I'm not quite sure what you mean?
@@peteshobbies5383 I don't speak English. I don't like that Iwata doesn't like thick clear and slowly applies it.
@polish666riot Thank you, I understand now. Many people like faster guns that flow more material. As you say, the LPH400 can be slow, which is often true of the guns that have a split tip design , cheers buddy 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 thank you. so will ntools be faster?
Yes, it's quite a lot faster
$219.00 on Australian E-Bay 🙄. We get shafted on everything over here.
Hi buddy, look it up on Aliexpress. It's much cheaper 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 Thanks Pete.
@@peteshobbies5383 Geez, $64.48 delivered.
You weren't wrong.