Linux or Windows, which OS do you pick and why? 💻🤔 Addressing some comment comments: Radeon graphics might work better in Linux, but it's worth keeping in mind two things, the first is out of 37 laptops sent to us in 2022, only one had a Radeon GPU - it's just less common. Second, the Tuxedo laptops ship with Nvidia. The KDE/Kate thing was one simple real world example. The point was to illustrate how a new Windows only user might feel, given it actually happened here. This video is aimed at people who use Windows to see if Linux is worth using for gaming. If you're already using Linux and are experienced, then great, this video isn't really aimed at advaned users who use it all the time. Suggestions to try different distributions/desktop environments are valid sure, but a lot of you are suggesting different things and making it sound like it's obvious that a new user should be aware of these and know which one to pick. We chose to stick to what Tuxedo shipped with, given they are a popular Linux laptop seller. We had WAY more problems in the 2-3 weeks spent doing the testing for this video that are not covered here. It's possible some of that hair pulling period translated into the video. I tried to not let it affect it, as ultimately it was to do with getting FPS measurement tools working properly with the games and at the end of the day that isn't related to what this video was meant to achieve. The blame around lack of Linux support from developers whether for game ports of anti cheat software is a bit of a chicken and egg problem I didn't really cover. Linux objectively has smaller marketshare, so I can understand that it might be difficult to spend dev $ on something that would get less use. If you're a Linux user there's no need to take our experiences and thoughts personally. This is just what happened for us, you don't need to get mad and justify your decision to use what ever operating system you like. Frankly, I don't care. Use what ever is best for you and the task at hand.
It’s amazing to see how many games work on Linux and work quite well on Linux. The real limiting factor right now is kernel level anticheats. I checked on Lutris and many games would be very compatible if they didn’t have these criminally dangerous anticheats software. This prevents many of the big names, like Valorant, to work on Linux. Once this is getting taken care of, hopefully this will mean many more people will switch to Linux or at least try it.
to be honest though, why aren't people using server-side anticheat? client-side ones like Vanguard from Valorant are already pretty bad enough (I heard that back in when Valorant was just launched, people were having their BIOS, overclocking software, and hell, maybe even RGB control ones, and so on..... bricked, just because of Vanguard), so why should we use them?
@@jamesbrendan5170 The thing with Kernel level anti cheat ( in Windows ) is that it is both a security and privacy issue on the host. They still want your data, however full of money they are. However EAC, for example, runs in user space on Linux, we're not giving them the key to the kingdom probably why they don't turn it. These companies are not nice people.
I daily drive Linux and also use it for games. I don't play Apex, so I can't attest to how representative Jarrod's experience is, but I've been able to play the vast majority of my library out of the box and the rest with minor tweaks (like switching Proton versions or adding a couple launch options). Haven't seen anything as crazy as what Jarrod described. Even if a game performs poorly, it's usually because the PC port is just that bad, even on Windows. In general, single player games will tend to be easier to get up and running, since they don't have to contend with anti-cheat. Older games as well, simply because they have been around long enough that someone has probably worked on making sure they are compatible. As linked in the description, ProtonDB is a good place to check before buying a game or moving over to Linux, to check if things work out of the box or for solutions if they don't. I can't promise anything about performance relative to Windows since I don't even have it installed to do my own comparisons. I'm also not the kind to care about super high framerates, so I'm pretty satisfied with my gaming experience on Linux. Personally, I find Windows to be excruciatingly difficult to use, so I don't mind doing minor tweaks on Linux if it means I never have to touch Windows and have to wrestle it for control over my PC. Edit: Also I will not stand for this KDE slander. The class of programs is called "text editors", not "notepads". Just because Windows calls its default text editor Notepad doesn't mean that everyone has to follow suit. I've never had an issue when I first used KDE, because Kate shows up when you search for "text". Imagine the opposite case: someone who only used Linux with KDE decides to try Windows, then blames Windows for being bad simply because they searched for "Kate" and couldn't get a text editor. If you want to blame KDE for being unintuitive, then logically speaking Windows is also unintuitively designed in the same manner. Edit 2: I posted a reply to Jarrod but it got deleted for whatever reason. Out of curiosity, I searched "note" and "notepad" on KDE. Both results gave me KWrite, another text editor. So, KDE actually has this base covered too. Furthermore, as the other commenter said, KDE explicitly states that Kate is an "Advanced text editor" and KWrite is a "Text editor" in the search results. If you know what a text editor is, you'll find a Notepad alternative in KDE within seconds. There is no design error here. Even if you didn't know what a text editor is, you could either open Kate/KWrite - which makes it blatantly obvious what they are for - or do a web search for a Notepad alternative in KDE. I got a page from KDE that lists alternatives for a whole bunch of Windows apps, so you'll find that Notepad corresponds to Kate/KWrite there. If you're suggesting the solution is that we should change our terminology because one company's product has a majority market share (in this case rebranding text editors as "notepads"), then I have to say that is an awful proposition. It leads to erasure of competition, as people will either not know about or distrust alternative applications, helping that one company to monopolise the market. Just look at search engines and operating systems, and the various controversies due to this. Furthermore, there is already a class of applications for notetaking, and calling text editors "notepads" will lead to confusion. Please don't take this the wrong way. I get that you and your partner got frustrated from various issues, so even a simple one like finding a text editor could be difficult because you missed out on some details (like the description that KDE gives). I've been there before (albeit not with Linux). The whole point of this Kate/Notepad tangent in my original comment was that you're not being fair to KDE. The KDE devs have already done all they can do about this. For the average Windows user trying out KDE for the first time, they most likely won't find this to be a problem. As such, it feels like you're making a mountain out of a molehill over this. I wish you had chose an actual problem, like some kind of bug. This would not only be a fair representation of Linux/KDE, but also highlights an actual issue for developers to solve.
I think you're missing the point about KDE. It was a single, most basic example of what was 2-3 weeks of hair pulling by my partner who is self admitedly a noob when it comes to Linux. I felt this perspective was perfect for people looking to make the jump from one to the other. Also if I search "text" or "notes" etc in Windows it comes up with Notepad, a bit more obvious about what it is rather than "what's a Kate?" - direct quote. I don't have to imagine the opposite case because Windows is the market share leader, just the way it is. If Linux wants to grow in popularity, the math alone says they need to make things easier for people coming from Windows. If that's not a goal, then what ever it can stay niche. I don't care about KDE one way or the other, this is just one example of something that happened to outline a greater theme.
I play Apex often, and literally never had any issues, at all, 4K max settings. If you look at the performance he was getting in games, something is definitely fucked. I would not be surprised it he was using his iGPU because of some NV crap.
@@JarrodsTech "Also if I search "text" or "notes" etc in Windows it comes up with Notepad" I just did this exact test, the first suggestion for "text" is kate.., including a description "this is a text editor blabla"..
@@JarrodsTech I guess he's just biased. You're clearly trying to look at things from a mainstream adoption perspective, but unfortunately those linux folks do not bother and often imply that you are the issue if things are working on their end. To be honest KDE and gnome are alright.. but their vision of an OS doesn't seem to put a strong emphasis on everyday users who just want things to work. If you're looking for an easy and streamlined experience truly focused regular day-to-day usage take a look at ChromeOS or Deepin.
shader compilation is no longer a problem on up to date nvidia drivers and proton experimental, I would recommend trying that combination and just clicking the skip button when it's processing shaders not only will performance be better in DX9-DX11 games, the 1% lows will be even better than they are on windows
wow would love to see your old laptop with its older Linux OS and then maybe upgrade its drive to SSD and add more RAM in addition installing newer Linux distros :D
The last time I placed an SSD in my old Toshiba it run so fast I was scared it gonna damage itself. oh And I also doubled the RAM but with a higher clock - the highest possible for the specs.
@@JV_09200They kinda fixed it, although Wayland still penetrates my eyes when I hook up an external display. Speaking from one of the best laptops for Linux (Clevo barebones such as Gigabyte , XMG , Tuxedo and Elektronics)
Honestly, really fair comparison. To add something I found out, where Linux shines is in older games, like DX11 and below. Borderlands 2, max view distance, running on Proton was giving me locked 150fps+ on a 5600X, and this game hovered around 100 average on windows. Tho I haven't found many games that would show that big of a _relevant_ difference. Most of the time it's my cpu doing 900fps instead of 600, like yeah it's more fps but it doesn't matter at that point, and I had to lower resolution to 480p to get rid of a GPU bottleneck (3060 ti). Probably worth keeping in mind for weaker hardware tho
if the problem is the older APIs and can be resolved by using DXVK, then using DXVK on Windows should also produce some improvements. by then, the differences between OSes get even smaller. Linux may have some CPU scheduling micro advantages, but in a gaming scenario it rarely makes a relevant difference, as you noted
@@pipyakas The core architecture can have more advantages than you might think. Especially on per game basis. On average probably not anything huge though.
Fair comparison for someone who wants out of the box experience. But if you want to be using Linux for gaming it really deserves bleeding edge distro, as that usually helps a ton with compatibility and performance.
exactly windows reason 1.Few games with linux support 2.Even if it claims to be linux compatible, sometimes you can't play it without using bugs or small tips. 3.Similar to reason 2, but you may not be able to understand the tips if you don't have a reasonable basic knowledge of linux to begin with.
@@hotagu4187 I don't call myself a nerd, I have very little knowledge in Linux gaming and was very afraid to try it but was always excited watching benchmarks that compare native linux games to windows. I ended up trying it on Linux and it's much easier than I though. and btw all the games I play on Linux play on default settings I didn't need to do any tweeks. and they're all windows only games,they run on DXVK.
@@ransacked Yeah, you're the one who needs to relearn. There are plenty of games where proton is not enough. Furthermore, the proton is still incomplete and there are still many bugs and non-functions, as you can see by looking at the github issues and the community.
That was a very interesting video. Im surprised that Linux worked quite well, other than the issues you were having. I would love to see your old laptop and have your thoughts on the laptop itself
I am Linux desktop user for over 10 years now and totally agree. Although Linux Gaming has improved greatly in the past 3 years, there is always these issues with not working out f the box, requiring tinkering or then less performance and annoying micro stutters. All of which could be avoided, if you simply install Windows. I will switch back on my X1 Extreme Gen 2 as soon as I have some time for it.
For instance I installed btd6 on windows through epic games, works straight out of the box. I installed it on ubuntu. -needs flatpak installation. -needs heroic games launcher. -game can't be in fullscreen cause animations loop, needs to be windowed. All that for an extra good hour than doing it on windows.
@@kiyotaka2026 meanwhile for me the game just worked with one click of the install button (on steam at least) for me particular, I get significantly more issues on windows and it just takes more time to get games running on windows, since windows always fucks something up. On linux it's set it and forget it, and that's what I like about it. And not only that on my AMD APU I was getting more than double the performance, which is just sad and unfortunate on windows' part. On my gaming laptop, I can't even run quake 2 RTX anymore for some reason after I unplugged my docking station while running the game. Now the game can't initialize vulkan, meanwhile my AMD APU + linux + FOSS drivers with VEGA graphics can run quake 2 RTX WITH RTX ON, THE APU DOESN'T SUPPORT RAY TRACING AND EMULATING RAY TRACING IS NOT EVEN SUPPORTED ON THE OFFICIAL DRIVERS, linux power right there
It's kind of crazy that people seem to think that you need to "tinker" with Linux. On the contrary, I have had a much better time with Linux as an advanced user. Because ultimately I haven't needed to tinker anything at all (which I tend to do a lot in Windows, with driver issues, updates, blue screens even, which has happened several times in Windows 10 after updates). But not only that, my partner preferred Linux over Windows herself, and she isn't as tech-savvy as I am. And the real casual crowd, like my parents, found Linux to make more sense. It definitely depends on which desktop environment you use, but there are A LOT of distributions with far easier desktop environments compared to KDE and Windows. Generally, Linux works great out of the box if you use hardware that is compatible. Otherwise it will feel like a lesser OS. In terms of gaming, I found Linux to be much faster on APUs. mainly due to less strain on the CPU. Generally it seems like I get better memory bandwidth in Linux.
Same for me as well. It boggles my mind how Windows seems to work perfectly for everyone else, but for me it never works the way I want it to. I run Arch Linux (obligatory "I use Arch, btw") and even that pales in comparison to the headache I get trying to make Windows work for me. When something breaks on Windows, it's nigh impossible to find a solution, and even if there was one, it's usually convoluted as heck. On Linux, fixing things is way easier. It may still take quite a bit of time, but at least I can find out what went wrong and how to fix it. And in general, I encounter far fewer issues on Linux. Even with an Nvidia GPU, I've never had driver issues. Linux also works much better on my potato laptop. Windows 10 uses so much power just idling and programs open so much more slowly.
Same here for some reason. It's like windows just refuses to work sometimes or I have to find some obscure forum post to get something running while the gigantic majority of people seem to have the opposite issue on linux. I personally use both Mint and Pop!_OS (Laptop and desktop respectively) and so far there's been very few games that don't run and only because of anticheat. Every other game runs perfectly fine including apex weirdly enough. The only thing I do differently is skip the vulkan shaders popup because I get that same crashing and forever-loading issue but in-game it runs flawlessly even when it's skipped.
I feel like it's because GNU/Linux is made in logic in mind, not hiding stuff from you whereas MS Windows is designed in a way that tells you it knows better than you and you shouldn't tamper with your PC because it's guaranteed you are going to f it up. (which is true if you believe that bullshit 😂) I like the logic of linux and I converted my gf from someone who thought they "don't understand PCs" to someone who daily drives GNU/Linux and laughs at n00bs who think neofetch is some hacker tool 🤣
It's interesting seeing comments like this, because I never have these problems with Windows and we used it on probably 40 different laptops this year. If I do ever need to troubleshoot something, the answers are far easier to find for Windows issues than Linux. My Linux experience was the obscure forum post to fix something. Reddit was also where a lot of the answers came from, we even posted there multiple times asking for advice on some of the issues we encountered. As mentioned, it may be the distro we used, as that was just what Tuxedo use/recommend and it seemed like the easiest/best option at the time.
@@JarrodsTech Oh wow, didn't expect you to be in this thread. Honestly based on other comments it sounds like the approach you took is likely for the best in terms of warning people about what to expect from linux. If most people have these issues then it's definitely for the best that they don't dive into linux. For me, and seemingly the other people in this bizarre alternate reality-esque minority, linux for us has always been the problem-free OS especially since the steam proton revolution back in 2018. Honestly I don't even use the terminal anymore except for Redshift (basically f.lux on linux) and even then it's purely because I have custom settings I use. All my other programs are GUI-based and downloaded from the Pop Shop/Mint's Software Manager. Plus, with the Cinnamon desktop environment, it's basically more or less how I used windows 7 back in the day and it looks the part too. I just wish I could figure out what I did _right_ so I could help others have an easy time like I did.
They aren't sending the Slim, but the non Slim is coming. There won't be any more Linux game benchmarks though. Sorry, the 2-3 weeks of hair pulling to test these 6 games will not be repeated.
As a Linux user, I can tell you first hand that nvidia on Linux *can* quickly devolve into a sht show. When it works, it’s great. When it doesn’t, it’s like… ugh this again. On the flip side, I’ve had a *far* easier time getting things going and maintaining stability with AMD gpus. You should try an Advantage laptop with a MUX switch to see how it fares.
It could change the results, but considering out of the 37 laptops we've tested this year, only one had a Radeon dGPU, so it's not exactly common. Plus Tuxedo sell their laptops with Nvidia, so that's what we tested with.
I have one (the Legion 7) and it's been the best Linux experience I've ever had. Literally no driver issues and Wayland was so much better on Mesa than Nvidia. It wasn't even close.
Love Linux, I have several machines from old PC's, my old gaming laptop and Raspberry Pis etc, but for gaming, I just stick to a new Windows gaming laptop. There are some workstation apps though that run very well in Linux, which is great for CAD, photo, video, audio work as well as network, storage and security devices. Games? Just not worth the hassle. When I plan on gaming, I just want to relax and not get into a bunch of troubleshooting and config stuff.
If I might make some suggestions. For native games try forcing the use of proton and comparing against native performance, you may find they run better under proton in some cases. In addition, if you are using KDE under X11 remember to make sure that compositing is turned off (alt+shift+f12 to toggle compositing) otherwise you will get some terrible results. Compositing should turn off automatically for native games but under proton you may have to toggle it yourself. This is an often overlooked "gotcha" about KDE + X11 which sometimes leaves people with questions.
Yep, as a Linux user, I can confirm this all sounds about right. Find and read a bunch of logs to fix problem C so problem B can be resolved, since B prevents you from fixing A, which ultimately prevents game play. Linux over Windows for a lot of things, but gaming on Linux can sometimes be frustrating to say the least. I'm just glad to see Linux gaming is better than it was many years ago.
As a Windows user for very long time, I decided to give Linux a try and I'm using Linux Fedora on my Razer Blade ADV 15, RTX 3070 and I'm loving it!!! I did not have time to start playing some games on it, but im planing it once I finish my college stuff lol
@@voidvoid5151 Thank you very much for your comment. I did not know Razer had this project, I will definitely give it a try and help the community open source grow up with Linux.
Performance varied game to game, some run better on linux, some on windows It really depends how well the fame is optimized for directx On linux games are translated to Vulkan if they use directx, games with notoriously bad optimization (like the callisto protocol recently) will run better on linux due to vulkan being by default a more lightweight better optimized API then directx For compatability both are actually pretty equal in amount of games, its just different games For windows you'll 100% be getting better compatability with new games, but Linux actually tends to do better with older games, especially onea using really old versions of directx, while they will probably still run under windows, they will perform terribly, modern GPUs emulate anything pre directx 10, and due to Linux (more specifically proton, valves compatability layer) translates directx to vulkan, something modern gpus support natively, those old games will run much better
@@flamingscar5263 None of the games in this video ran better on Linux. 1% is what's important after you already can't see the difference - and the difference between Linux and Windows is day and night.
I have a Legion 7 (the AMD Advantage model) and Linux had been nothing short of amazing. It probably is Nvidia's crap drivers. And that's why Linus Torvalds flipped off Nvidia.
It gets way more interesting when all AMD laptops are compared, Nvidia hasn't offered best support for Linux if any at all. There is way better performance gain on AMD GPU.
It could change the results, but considering out of the 37 laptops we've tested this year, only one had a Radeon dGPU, so it's not exactly common. Plus Tuxedo sell their laptops with Nvidia, so that's what we tested with.
@@cameronbosch1213 I am considering buying Legion 7 Gen 7 (2022 AMD). Is this the one you have? Can you share what problems did you run into, if any? Did you need to install anything extra? Also - is "Onyx Grey' variant available? Thanks
@@SirRFI Literally the only problems I had were an issue with older versions of the AMD Radeon graphics software with newer drivers, which I fixed by uninstalling the AMD GPU drivers and all of the AMD utilities, and then reinstalling AMD Software: Adrenlin Edition from their website and the AMD Radeon GPU drivers from it. The other was the Wi-Fi card. It was the same piss-poor MediaTek Wi-Fi card in the XMG Neo 15, which beat the MacBook Pro in terms of how slow it was (which is not very good), it didn't work in Linux no matter how hard I tried, and there was even the issue of hard lockups when using the dGPU with that Wi-Fi card, which went away with an Intel AX210. Now there is the MediaTek 7922, which is quite good for an non-Intel or non-Killer Wi-Fi card, but this wasn't that card that came in my unit. That card (the MedieaTek RZ 616) should ONLY be used in budget laptop,s not premium laptops (XMG actually apologized for using the Wi-Fi card and gave users an option for 20 Euros to change it to an Intel AX210 directly from them. Fortunately, like the Neo 15, the Wi-Fi card in the Legion is slotted/socketed, meaning replacing it isn't too difficult (and I would 100% do it if not to fix the poor Wi-Fi speeds and other driver issues I had).
@@SirRFI There is one other problem, and that is it is currently unavailable in the U.S. on Lenovo's website with no ETA on it being available again. I would suggest looking elsewhere for the Legion 7, because it's that good of a laptop.
As mentioned in the pinned comment: Some comments about using Radeon graphics. It's worth keeping in mind two things, the first is out of 37 laptops sent to us in 2022, only one had a Radeon GPU - it's just less common. Second, the Tuxedo laptops ship with Nvidia.
great to see content like this I'd love to see a video about your 2008 laptop (as I daily drive a laptop from 2009 but recently it's had some RAM issues) 😀
I run Linux on my Mech-15 G3, it's fantastic. Generally Fedora-based distros, they're great, and I game on it regularly. Elden Ring, The Witcher 3 Complete Edition, Civiliation VI, Age of Empires IV, and more run near perfectly, and it's great. :)
As a daily Linux user and fanboy: windows Edit: At 6:45 you explain that your partner had an issue because "she didn't know what the default text editor was called". But you then go on to say that (implicitly) this makes Linux less intuitive. It does not. It makes it less familiar. If they used Linux+kde from day 1, it'd be normal to look for "Kate" instead of "notepad". That isn't less intuitive, it is the same, but different levels of familiarity.
It's less intuitive in the way that every other OS uses something like 'notes' for their text editor, a name that relates to the type of application you're wanting to use. The same issue with Dolphin being the file manager, but it was pinned to the task manager and has a more relevant icon so it was much easier to find.
It's ok for advanced software to have actual name. Like, chances are everyone heard of Photoshop at some point and knows what it is. Is "Kate" such program, or more of DE stock program with base functionality? If the latter, I'd advocate for name that says what it does.
@@JarrodsTech So, GNOME next? Keep in mind their flow is centered around apps showing up after pressing "super" (Windows) key, more like on phones. You can install extension to have taskbar (it's called dash for some reason - "dash-to-panel" is one I recommend)
Pretty confident that the results are not going to be different but would be interested in seeing an all AMD build given their drivers are open source and heard they work better on linux
NVIDIA's proprietary drivers are known to be the main source of alot of issues from desktop environments all the way to gaming while AMD and Intel's open source drivers aka Mesa are significantly better so can test those instead
Why don't you review laptop that they doesn't meant for gaming Some workstation 2in1 business office laptops To see how preform in games and other content creation work
For gaming I use kde neon purely for the latest plasma I put kubuntu on my mum's laptop because windows just kept releasing updates and screwing things up she has no issues using office documents and PowerPoint work as they are compatible and the biggest benefit is 0-5% CPU usage for her old laptop 💻 is amazing ram usage is way less giving it more life also she doesn't have to install new updates but I do it when I see her for security but what I'm saying is the privacy and freedom bloatware alone is so worth it. Heck I game on kde neon I said bye to stupid window updates
i also found that alot of games i cant seem to get working like older games(manhunt and nfs underground in win10)work flawlessly in linux rather thru wine/ lutris or proton
Yes to Linux, I use it to game (via my steam deck) on my gaming laptop (for day to day things in my digital life)I also have Linux on there too. KDE Neon & KDE Steam OS, also don't forget about proton drivers and Mesa
It could change the results, but considering out of the 37 laptops we've tested this year, only one had a Radeon dGPU, so it's not exactly common. Plus Tuxedo sell their laptops with Nvidia, so that's what we tested with.
Jarrod i have a request for you can you redo this same test with the ASUS - ROG Strix G15 AMD 6800m and nvidia 3070. Install a linux distro that is user friendly and easy to install(Linux Mint) on the amd 6800m version and on the 3070 version windows 10 or 11 pro. See how big the difference is or you could build an all amd pc with the latest amd gpu and cpu and another with intel cpu and nvidia gpu and install linux on the amd version and windows on the intel and nvidia version.
@@JarrodsTech Good to know, But could you consider my request for the pc build with amd cpu/gpu & other with intel cpu /nvidia gpu and do a test with linux and windows on it.
Is this the Linux video you hinted a while back, or there is more coming? As some already suggested, I would like to see a video with full AMD laptop + Linux too. You can combine it with review for Legion 7 Gen 7 (2022 AMD) or HP OMEN 16, though Zephyrus G14 could be an option if you still have it. To make the experience extra different, try other Desktop Environment (I suggest GNOME, which is the other most popular one) and newer distribution (I suggest Fedora, though specifically for gaming Nobara could be interesting - it's tweaked and has some stuff preinstalled).
@@smishyt KDE might be overwhelming with amount of settings, something normal user might not want and obscure something they are looking for. It might also give them false impression that Linux is like reskinned Windows. It's down to personal taste and requirements. I think that Windows users will be fine as long there's "taskbar" (dash-to-panel or similar) extension on GNOME. Anyway, my point was that this video already touched KDE on the surface, so why not try something else next time.
@@SirRFI Many Windows users already tinker with the operating system since XP. High density settings in KDE are nothing new to Windows users familiar with the Registry or gpedit. It's not "reskinned" Windows, it's simply a configuration most are willing to change if they don't like it. It's entirely possible to make KDE look identical to GNOME while keeping the superior performance of KDE.
i do not agree that windows gui is more polished it is very inconsistent, KDE has almost every feature you would ever need from a gui but the proplem with kde is that is is not well explained where are the settings i think gnome is more simpler to use their text editor is called text editor lol Edit: I switched to KDE recently on my laptop and found that when search text editor in krunner it brings up Kate I don't know what are you complaining about
Games with Vulkan (like DOOM 2016, NMS) run amazingly well on Linux, in comparison to Windows. But it's not unlikely that some games need some tweaking to get it working.
windows, due to it being basically a guaruntee that a game will run its best on it. while some games do work fine on linux, and maybe some work better, most games out there work best or only work on windows
I use Linux as a daily driver for engineering/development purposes, I've used Linux daily for like 12+ years, I consider myself an experienced user, I am able to set up almost anything in Linux (including games in the pre-Proton era, with plain Wine), and EVEN I have my desktop and laptop Dual Booting with Windows for gaming. When you get a little free time to play games, you want to just play the game you want to play. I am troubleshooting development problems and bugs all day, since I am an engineer/developer. No, I don't want to have to troubleshoot in the little time I have to play a game. Linux gaming is DEFINITELY not there yet for the masses. The vast majority of people just want things to work, they're not gonna sit through the process of trying to troubleshoot things that don't work. Not everyone can do this, not everyone is that tech (software, in particular) savvy. If an individual wants to play games, Windows all the way. As much as I hate them. And I say all this as an avid Linux/OSS supporter.
6:54 Excuse me!? If you think that Windows 11 has a "polished UI", then you're wrong. GNOME 40+ & KDE Plasma 5.27 have more polished UIs than Windows 11. The inconsistencies in Windows 11 are so freaking annoying!
There are so many options though with Linux. How is a new user supposed to know this information? How much time and experimentation does it take to find the one that fits better for you? How much of it is personal preference? Windows, for most users, is easy and good enough without that time commitment.
@@JarrodsTech That would be true until Windows 10 stops getting updates because some company forced them to get a new computer and now suddenly things don't just work anymore and they either have to spend loads of money trying to look for a new computer without actually needing a new computer or they HAVE to use Linux because Microshaft thinks still quite capable Intel Core i7-7600H computer is too old to run Windows 11 and they follow through on blocking updates. If this was 2010 or even 2011, I'd agree with you. Linux wasn't ready for gaming. But 2022 I feel changed that. Sure, the choices can be paralyzing, but there are a few distros that are better for beginners than others (and even some you wouldn't think of a "beginner-friendly distros). Why 2022 feels different is because the Steam Deck broke open the Linux gaming market, thanks to Valve and Proton. Sure, some games might never work properly on Linux, but in that case, the developers are to blame and deserve every bit of hate they get for refusing to support the growing platform. And Valve has single-handedly taken Linux gaming to practically non-existent for most people to quite usable and even in the case of games like Elden Ring for example, it was better on Linux than Windows at launch! But in 2025, when Windows 10 is sunset, I think we'll see a surge in Linux users. Some by choice, others by necessity. Gaming on Linux could become not that much different than Windows for non MMO games. And I don't think Windows 12 will be enough to stop this; if anything, I think it will make things worse for Microsoft, not better. Not to mention, the newer versions of GNOME (from 40 onwards) are great for people new to computers (outside of smartphones) in general or former macOS users, and there are other desktop environments like KDE Plasma or Cinnamon which aim to be easier for Windows transitioners. I remember the first time I used Ubuntu from early 2010 with 10.04 Lucid Lynx to 11.04 Natty Narwhal (the one that replaced GNOME 2 with Canonical's Unity desktop environment) and how much I liked it; I wasn't even 18 at the time, but I loved computers so much I wanted to try a dual-boot on a laptop. And I had a lot of fun until that laptop's hard drive failed (it was making HDD failure noises), taking both Windows 7 & Ubuntu with it. And so I returned to Windows until 2017 or so, when I was in college studying for a Computer Science degree. But when I tried Ubuntu then, they had moved to GNOME 3, and I felt lost. In fact, I almost gave up, like you said, because I couldn't understand the GNOME Shell interface even though it had been around since 2011 (though I used Ubuntu's Unity for a bit instead, that was very different). But I decided to persevere and try Kubuntu, and it was much easier. Now sure, it wasn't really amazing back then, but since then, I've moved onto other distros and distro-hopped until I got to EndeavourOS, a near stock Arch-based distro and probably my recommended distro for KDE users who don't like Snaps. But the point I'm trying to make is that we need new users to get these developers to take Linux seriously. I mean, part of it is due to some of the elitist distros doing crap to new users, but then you've got communities for distros like EndeavourOS, which while definitely not meant as a beginner's distro, sadly, for KDE users, it's probably their best option, unless they like the stuttery mess that is Fedora or Ubuntu (and the snaps involved with Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Ubuntu Studio, and even KDE Neon), has a very welcoming community for those who have even a bit of knowledge with Linux. But we need users, and yes, relearning new new things is hard, but dual-booting a system with Ubuntu/Kubuntu isn't too hard, and is even easier if your laptop has two or more drives. That way, you can have the best of both worlds. Imagine having things like the Adobe Creative Suite or other specialty software on Linux... Also note that DaVinci Resolve is on Linux and remember that GIMP, Blender, & Krita are prefect examples of great FOSS that started on Linux. And sure, there will always be users who need something ONLY available on Windows, such as CAD programs, but Linux has come so far since Ubuntu arrived on the scene in 2004. And I think its growing fast.
It could change the results, but considering out of the 37 laptops we've tested this year, only one had a Radeon dGPU, so it's not exactly common. Plus Tuxedo sell their laptops with Nvidia, so that's what we tested with.
I switched to linux about 1 year ago, I'm glad that you bring light to linux gaming topic. Since the state of linux is too complex, like does it need to get better for more people to switch to it? Or is having more linux users what allows it to get better, you know.. The chicken/egg issue Anyway have a great day 🔥
i hava amd PC, cpu and gpu. with "Nobara Project linux based on Fedora" and same results Gnome - Arch, i had better performance then on Win 11 for Apex. I think nvidia still not ready for Linux. to be fair I was always simping for toxedo... if they could do proper AMD laptop with modern hardware im buying it!
I am unfamiliar with how the Proton translation layer works, but it isn't realistic to expect similar performance in Linux down the line. This feels like comparing Python with C's performance. I would love to have games that have native support for Linux but that requires more support on open-source libraries like OpenGL (so that game developers could take advantage of Linux's strengths); rather than a translation layer.
You really only need more CPU power, and I suppose that can be done with more cores, though I'm not certain. Most people have GPU as their limiting factor, so the translation doesn't cause issues.
Linux gaming needs bleeding edge distro that is more focused on gaming. Haven't played games for awhile as my GPU got busted and I have been running with iGPU for a long time, but Manjaro used to be great.
the translation layers used to run games in Proton is proned to consume more VRAM, so in cases like Apex Legends max settings with huge texture streaming budget eating into VRAM and tanks the performance. there's a "easy" way to verify this, is just run the game on Windows, but use DXVK/VKD3D-proton to translate the graphics calls to Vulkan. Although you're going to jump through hoops just like gaming on Linux, maybe even more so by merging the 2 together
I think you need to try Linux mint 21 or LMDE 5, i switched from Ubuntu to Debian and some keyboard shortcuts for windows explorer like win key+ e works on mint out of the box and felt right at home without the need to customize keyboard shortcuts.
This video is a perfect example of why linux fans should never recommend LTS distros to new users. I had multiple issues with ubuntu and popular ubuntu based distros. I wanted to gave up but I downloaded Nobara and now it's my daily driver. Fedora is just a good base.
It’s amazing to see how many games work on Linux and work quite well on Linux. The real limiting factor right now is kernel level anticheats. I checked on Lutris and many games would be very compatible if they didn’t have these criminally dangerous anticheats software. This prevents many of the big names, like Valorant, to work on Linux. Once this is getting taken care of, hopefully this will mean many more people will switch to Linux or at least try it.
For the moment NVIDIA Drivers on Linuxs are worst than windows, I will recommend you to test Linux vs Windows on AMD GPUs, NVidia is working on get a better Linux Drivers hopefully this comes quickly :)
Linux is better. It just needs more compatibility. For now, my dual GPU (discrete RTX 3050 laptop GPU and integrated Ryzen 7 4800H's iGPU) doesn't work properly, so I am stuck with Windows. In the future, I'll give it another shot. More resources for gaming, less bloat running in the background, and most importantly infinite customizability. What else can a gamer ask for? For all these to come together, of course. On paper, these are great, but they aren't complete yet.
You should not switch to a Linux distro just for gaming. But if you care about privacy and freedom - Linux might be for you. Also, if you like a clean looking OS - check out a Gnome distro, like Ubuntu or Fedora.
I kind of have a gripe with EVERY tech tuber, referring to small performance differences as "margin of error". It's obviously NOT M.O.E if it is always a repeatable and consistent difference! Yes if the margin has variables then of course it is a M.O.E! But if it is always 2 FPS lower on GPU A and always 2 FPS higher on GPU B, then that isn't a margin of error... At that point, it's just a minor performance difference, not an error, a difference.
Sit down a MacOS bred user in front of Windows desktop, and he'll also have a learning curve and possible fixes googling out... same on the opposite situation. And regarding Kate not showing up as an obvious text file editor... in most environments, be it Gnome or KDE or any other, when you start typing 'editor' or 'text' proper editor tool will pop up... when you'd installed Windows, you had MS IE and now MS Edge... if you don't know it, you wouldn't know what the latter does until you either looked it up or started it anyway, it's not like it's saying MS Edge Internet Browser in the menu, is it? The same applies to other OSes and their apps... but the issues with Windows environment virtualisation/emulation in Linux pertain until at least the devs start to focus more on Linux OS support eg to bank on Steam Deck success and customer base.
Linux is great for servers and enterprise use... For basic home users, Ubuntu + Firefox is enough. For everything else - my time is worth more then the money i spend on MS OS. Why? Because if i mingle with every software to make it run for 1 hour, that is 1 hour too much. 15 Games = 15 hours = i can buy 10 MS OS licenses with money i can earn in 15 hours.
With the thumbnail, thought Linux had it. Hopefully, Linux gets better. I got back into Linux the other day, for better performance overall, more security (especially for ethical hacking that I'm getting into), and more customisation. :3 My first time to get a Debian one, got the latest Cinnamon. To get the regular Debian with no ethernet cable, such a hassle, even when you follow all the instructions, to get GUI, woaahhh! Hehe. I use to mess around with Red Hat Linux back in 2005 or so, high school days. I installed it via a DVD or CD, via the Dummies book, back when those books were very popular. Haha.
i think u overdone it ,cause linux don't run all the games, i have somewhere 100 games 70% (and more i think) will play now on linux, the biggest problem is coming from the companies wher they dont fix bugs where saying it works on linux, and not so much games that they were native on Win (ex. sniper 2 run perfect on linux, with tomb raider there is a bug where i cant go further, even if u can play it on linux, cities skylines, doesnt even start even it is and for linux, tatals wars from those i have 980% runs on linux), nice video👍
Oh, good to know ... so I can switch to Linux finally and get decent gaming experience. Now just to pick a decent and flexible distro ... Fedora maybe ?
So my use case is verity gaming with friends. We will try new online multiplayer games frequently maybe sometimes 3-4 times a night till we find a game we get hooked on for a while. As of right now we just install and go no real down time waiting for people to get up and going. If I do this I want to make sure I won't be missing out on the action or holding up the group. So my real question is how easy is it to get going from downloading, installing and playing online with friends.
can someone answer this for me ive got a 599 dollar laptop that has a 1.2 tb ssd, 24 gb ram, ryzen 7 5700u 1.8 ghz whit a vega 8 and a battery that runs for about 7 hrs did i get scammed
Windows 10 Lite also runs just as fast as GNU Linux and consume same amount of resources. I guess towards the end of the day, Windows is just less headaches and the GUI in Windows has been decades ahead of Linux since Windows Vista, there so many quality of life features in Windows that you use daily, but in Linux none of them work or they are half broken which makes using Linux a chore.
Linux has one massive gaming advantage, when using proton early access or just released games can see better performance. One example was hogwarts legacy, its buggy start saw better linux performance because memory leak wasn't as bad and the way linux is a lighter OS. Also I'd advise using either Pop_OS, Arch (Endevour OS makes arch easy), Ubuntu or Fedora for gaming as they have easy NVIDIA driver install processes and have amazing community support.
Even on Windows, many users didn't know they can edit formatted texts documents with Wordpad, instead on making poor docs on Notepad, google doc it, or worst, paying a software copy of Word... Or for the best part, edit theire documents in a open source office suite...
Hey guys, my question maybe is a little of topic for this video, but i am wondering what you think: I am considering buying a new Laptop which should be capable of CAD rendering, as well as gaming in high quality. I´ve got a Msi Katana with i7-11800h, Geforce Rtx 3070 (85W) in the eye. In comparison to the Acer Nitro 5 which has the newer i7-12700 and the Rtx 3060 (140 W (Both with 2x8GB Ram and 17,3" Full HD Display). They go for the exact same prize of 1299€ (in sale). What is your opinion? Which one do you think has the better performance an will work better in the future? Thanks for your opinions and answers.
Apex Legends runs much much better on Linux than on Windows out of the box from my personal experience and I ditched Windows just because that game runs much better and many other...
Linux, is a myth, if it were better, you would see results, I give it the Bird. Linux, like Star Citizen, a work in progress. Ready for all any year now
Putting aside the fact that litterally the point of every thumbnail ever is made to have people click it, the thumbnail is accurate. The game on the screen gets those average FPS numbers in each operating system.
Unfortunately amd imo is best suited for linux and gaming.The driver support is just way better not to say nvidia hasn't done a decent job since they honestly dont have to support linux period
It could change the results, but considering out of the 37 laptops we've tested this year, only one had a Radeon dGPU, so it's not exactly common. Plus Tuxedo sell their laptops with Nvidia, so that's what we tested with.
There is a pretty good price drop on some laptops at Best Buy right now, but tomorrow is the last day for the sale. And I'm not sure what would be the best to get. The new asus g14 6700s version is only 1000 dollars right now, but the strix advantage addition with the 6800m is 1299... I also found a gigabyte arous, AORUS 15 XE5, that's the new model with the ddr5 ram, and it has a 130 watt 3070ti and a 12700h cpu and it's only 1189 right now, its originally over 2300$ What do you think would be the better choice? Laptops are new for me, I've always had desktops.
Completely agree with you, Linux gaming has comes eons ahead of where it was and honestly it can be perfect if you only wanna play certain games and emulators or something but its still behind on the shiny new games and multiplayer titles of today. I heavily relate with you about the 2008 mindset vs now as you get older you get more responsibilities with work and kids and less for wasting time trying to get a video game you barely have time to play to work. Thank you for not cherry picking and trying to make Linux look better than it is, its a great everyday distro and can work for gaming sure but it has challenges that people should be aware of.
I thought that intel configurations dynamic boost was supported. Support for AMD with dynamic boot was added in the latest driver for linux. In version 525.60.11 "Added support for Dynamic Boost on notebooks with AMD CPUs."
@@JarrodsTech sorry, I was referring to computers (AMD Cpu+Nvidia Gpu), support for "dynamic boost" has been added in the latest driver version. But in the case (Intel Cpu + Nvidia Gpu) support was added a little earlier (version 510.47.03), perhaps some configuration is missing from the nvidia driver.
The vulkan shaders part I think is a bug because skipping them has shown no performance decrease when I play apex and moreover I've never crashed with apex since using it on linux. It was just as simple as enabling steam play and apex loaded without issue.
Linux or Windows, which OS do you pick and why? 💻🤔
Addressing some comment comments: Radeon graphics might work better in Linux, but it's worth keeping in mind two things, the first is out of 37 laptops sent to us in 2022, only one had a Radeon GPU - it's just less common. Second, the Tuxedo laptops ship with Nvidia.
The KDE/Kate thing was one simple real world example. The point was to illustrate how a new Windows only user might feel, given it actually happened here. This video is aimed at people who use Windows to see if Linux is worth using for gaming. If you're already using Linux and are experienced, then great, this video isn't really aimed at advaned users who use it all the time.
Suggestions to try different distributions/desktop environments are valid sure, but a lot of you are suggesting different things and making it sound like it's obvious that a new user should be aware of these and know which one to pick. We chose to stick to what Tuxedo shipped with, given they are a popular Linux laptop seller.
We had WAY more problems in the 2-3 weeks spent doing the testing for this video that are not covered here. It's possible some of that hair pulling period translated into the video. I tried to not let it affect it, as ultimately it was to do with getting FPS measurement tools working properly with the games and at the end of the day that isn't related to what this video was meant to achieve.
The blame around lack of Linux support from developers whether for game ports of anti cheat software is a bit of a chicken and egg problem I didn't really cover. Linux objectively has smaller marketshare, so I can understand that it might be difficult to spend dev $ on something that would get less use.
If you're a Linux user there's no need to take our experiences and thoughts personally. This is just what happened for us, you don't need to get mad and justify your decision to use what ever operating system you like. Frankly, I don't care. Use what ever is best for you and the task at hand.
Windows, btw how to install Linux
windows but LTSC
Linux, I prefer KDE steamOS when it comes to gaming
I THINK BOOTING WITH GGOS AND SECOND WITH LINUX IS GOOD
Linux, it works flawlessly with my steam games.
Jarrod you need to start covering more Linux benchmarks now as well!
Nahh
@Od1sseas ok zoomer
Yes please.
@Od1sseas the server that's hosting your comment is most likely running on Linux
@@KingOfCorinth But the server hosting his neurons is running on Windows NT.
It’s amazing to see how many games work on Linux and work quite well on Linux. The real limiting factor right now is kernel level anticheats. I checked on Lutris and many games would be very compatible if they didn’t have these criminally dangerous anticheats software. This prevents many of the big names, like Valorant, to work on Linux. Once this is getting taken care of, hopefully this will mean many more people will switch to Linux or at least try it.
It has been taken care of, for quite a while actually. Its up to the publisher of the game to enable it.
to be honest though, why aren't people using server-side anticheat? client-side ones like Vanguard from Valorant are already pretty bad enough (I heard that back in when Valorant was just launched, people were having their BIOS, overclocking software, and hell, maybe even RGB control ones, and so on..... bricked, just because of Vanguard), so why should we use them?
@@jamesbrendan5170 increases costs to run those serevers
@@oo--7714 but when you think about it, aren't the companies running those games with client-side anticheat full of money?
@@jamesbrendan5170 The thing with Kernel level anti cheat ( in Windows ) is that it is both a security and privacy issue on the host. They still want your data, however full of money they are.
However EAC, for example, runs in user space on Linux, we're not giving them the key to the kingdom probably why they don't turn it.
These companies are not nice people.
I daily drive Linux and also use it for games. I don't play Apex, so I can't attest to how representative Jarrod's experience is, but I've been able to play the vast majority of my library out of the box and the rest with minor tweaks (like switching Proton versions or adding a couple launch options). Haven't seen anything as crazy as what Jarrod described. Even if a game performs poorly, it's usually because the PC port is just that bad, even on Windows.
In general, single player games will tend to be easier to get up and running, since they don't have to contend with anti-cheat. Older games as well, simply because they have been around long enough that someone has probably worked on making sure they are compatible. As linked in the description, ProtonDB is a good place to check before buying a game or moving over to Linux, to check if things work out of the box or for solutions if they don't.
I can't promise anything about performance relative to Windows since I don't even have it installed to do my own comparisons. I'm also not the kind to care about super high framerates, so I'm pretty satisfied with my gaming experience on Linux. Personally, I find Windows to be excruciatingly difficult to use, so I don't mind doing minor tweaks on Linux if it means I never have to touch Windows and have to wrestle it for control over my PC.
Edit: Also I will not stand for this KDE slander. The class of programs is called "text editors", not "notepads". Just because Windows calls its default text editor Notepad doesn't mean that everyone has to follow suit. I've never had an issue when I first used KDE, because Kate shows up when you search for "text". Imagine the opposite case: someone who only used Linux with KDE decides to try Windows, then blames Windows for being bad simply because they searched for "Kate" and couldn't get a text editor. If you want to blame KDE for being unintuitive, then logically speaking Windows is also unintuitively designed in the same manner.
Edit 2: I posted a reply to Jarrod but it got deleted for whatever reason.
Out of curiosity, I searched "note" and "notepad" on KDE. Both results gave me KWrite, another text editor. So, KDE actually has this base covered too.
Furthermore, as the other commenter said, KDE explicitly states that Kate is an "Advanced text editor" and KWrite is a "Text editor" in the search results. If you know what a text editor is, you'll find a Notepad alternative in KDE within seconds. There is no design error here.
Even if you didn't know what a text editor is, you could either open Kate/KWrite - which makes it blatantly obvious what they are for - or do a web search for a Notepad alternative in KDE. I got a page from KDE that lists alternatives for a whole bunch of Windows apps, so you'll find that Notepad corresponds to Kate/KWrite there.
If you're suggesting the solution is that we should change our terminology because one company's product has a majority market share (in this case rebranding text editors as "notepads"), then I have to say that is an awful proposition. It leads to erasure of competition, as people will either not know about or distrust alternative applications, helping that one company to monopolise the market. Just look at search engines and operating systems, and the various controversies due to this.
Furthermore, there is already a class of applications for notetaking, and calling text editors "notepads" will lead to confusion.
Please don't take this the wrong way. I get that you and your partner got frustrated from various issues, so even a simple one like finding a text editor could be difficult because you missed out on some details (like the description that KDE gives). I've been there before (albeit not with Linux).
The whole point of this Kate/Notepad tangent in my original comment was that you're not being fair to KDE. The KDE devs have already done all they can do about this. For the average Windows user trying out KDE for the first time, they most likely won't find this to be a problem. As such, it feels like you're making a mountain out of a molehill over this.
I wish you had chose an actual problem, like some kind of bug. This would not only be a fair representation of Linux/KDE, but also highlights an actual issue for developers to solve.
I think you're missing the point about KDE. It was a single, most basic example of what was 2-3 weeks of hair pulling by my partner who is self admitedly a noob when it comes to Linux. I felt this perspective was perfect for people looking to make the jump from one to the other. Also if I search "text" or "notes" etc in Windows it comes up with Notepad, a bit more obvious about what it is rather than "what's a Kate?" - direct quote. I don't have to imagine the opposite case because Windows is the market share leader, just the way it is. If Linux wants to grow in popularity, the math alone says they need to make things easier for people coming from Windows. If that's not a goal, then what ever it can stay niche. I don't care about KDE one way or the other, this is just one example of something that happened to outline a greater theme.
I play Apex often, and literally never had any issues, at all, 4K max settings.
If you look at the performance he was getting in games, something is definitely fucked. I would not be surprised it he was using his iGPU because of some NV crap.
@@JarrodsTech "Also if I search "text" or "notes" etc in Windows it comes up with Notepad"
I just did this exact test, the first suggestion for "text" is kate.., including a description "this is a text editor blabla"..
@@JarrodsTech I guess he's just biased. You're clearly trying to look at things from a mainstream adoption perspective, but unfortunately those linux folks do not bother and often imply that you are the issue if things are working on their end. To be honest KDE and gnome are alright.. but their vision of an OS doesn't seem to put a strong emphasis on everyday users who just want things to work. If you're looking for an easy and streamlined experience truly focused regular day-to-day usage take a look at ChromeOS or Deepin.
@@JarrodsTech See the edit in my original comment.
shader compilation is no longer a problem on up to date nvidia drivers and proton experimental, I would recommend trying that combination and just clicking the skip button when it's processing shaders
not only will performance be better in DX9-DX11 games, the 1% lows will be even better than they are on windows
wow would love to see your old laptop with its older Linux OS and then maybe upgrade its drive to SSD and add more RAM in addition installing newer Linux distros :D
The last time I placed an SSD in my old Toshiba it run so fast I was scared it gonna damage itself.
oh And I also doubled the RAM but with a higher clock - the highest possible for the specs.
Nvidia + Linux is already not a great combination in a desktop. Laptops are on a completely another level of bugginess.
@@Spectrulightreally?
Nvidia + Linux works well for me.
That was a year ago @@richardyao9012
@@JV_09200They kinda fixed it, although Wayland still penetrates my eyes when I hook up an external display. Speaking from one of the best laptops for Linux (Clevo barebones such as Gigabyte , XMG , Tuxedo and Elektronics)
Not at all. If this was the case, System76 wouldn't sell gaming laptops with Nvidia gpus.
Honestly, really fair comparison. To add something I found out, where Linux shines is in older games, like DX11 and below. Borderlands 2, max view distance, running on Proton was giving me locked 150fps+ on a 5600X, and this game hovered around 100 average on windows.
Tho I haven't found many games that would show that big of a _relevant_ difference. Most of the time it's my cpu doing 900fps instead of 600, like yeah it's more fps but it doesn't matter at that point, and I had to lower resolution to 480p to get rid of a GPU bottleneck (3060 ti). Probably worth keeping in mind for weaker hardware tho
if the problem is the older APIs and can be resolved by using DXVK, then using DXVK on Windows should also produce some improvements. by then, the differences between OSes get even smaller.
Linux may have some CPU scheduling micro advantages, but in a gaming scenario it rarely makes a relevant difference, as you noted
@@pipyakas The core architecture can have more advantages than you might think. Especially on per game basis. On average probably not anything huge though.
Fair comparison for someone who wants out of the box experience. But if you want to be using Linux for gaming it really deserves bleeding edge distro, as that usually helps a ton with compatibility and performance.
exactly windows
reason
1.Few games with linux support
2.Even if it claims to be linux compatible, sometimes you can't play it without using bugs or small tips.
3.Similar to reason 2, but you may not be able to understand the tips if you don't have a reasonable basic knowledge of linux to begin with.
I agree, I work as a software engineer on linux daily. All this gaming on linux people are just bunch try hard self inserted emo nerds
@@hotagu4187 I don't call myself a nerd, I have very little knowledge in Linux gaming and was very afraid to try it but was always excited watching benchmarks that compare native linux games to windows. I ended up trying it on Linux and it's much easier than I though. and btw all the games I play on Linux play on default settings I didn't need to do any tweeks. and they're all windows only games,they run on DXVK.
Few games with Linux support... yet that's what proton is for. Cmon now go educate yourself.
@@ransacked Yeah, you're the one who needs to relearn.
There are plenty of games where proton is not enough.
Furthermore, the proton is still incomplete and there are still many bugs and non-functions, as you can see by looking at the github issues and the community.
That was a very interesting video. Im surprised that Linux worked quite well, other than the issues you were having. I would love to see your old laptop and have your thoughts on the laptop itself
I am Linux desktop user for over 10 years now and totally agree. Although Linux Gaming has improved greatly in the past 3 years, there is always these issues with not working out f the box, requiring tinkering or then less performance and annoying micro stutters. All of which could be avoided, if you simply install Windows. I will switch back on my X1 Extreme Gen 2 as soon as I have some time for it.
It depends on the game, because very unoptmized games can run better on Linux surprisingly. Like Elden Ring.
You game on your x1 exteme? Lmao, wat do you game on that? League of legends bahahhaha
For instance I installed btd6 on windows through epic games, works straight out of the box. I installed it on ubuntu.
-needs flatpak installation.
-needs heroic games launcher.
-game can't be in fullscreen cause animations loop, needs to be windowed.
All that for an extra good hour than doing it on windows.
@@kiyotaka2026 meanwhile for me the game just worked with one click of the install button (on steam at least)
for me particular, I get significantly more issues on windows and it just takes more time to get games running on windows, since windows always fucks something up. On linux it's set it and forget it, and that's what I like about it. And not only that on my AMD APU I was getting more than double the performance, which is just sad and unfortunate on windows' part. On my gaming laptop, I can't even run quake 2 RTX anymore for some reason after I unplugged my docking station while running the game. Now the game can't initialize vulkan, meanwhile my AMD APU + linux + FOSS drivers with VEGA graphics can run quake 2 RTX WITH RTX ON, THE APU DOESN'T SUPPORT RAY TRACING AND EMULATING RAY TRACING IS NOT EVEN SUPPORTED ON THE OFFICIAL DRIVERS, linux power right there
@@TheAmanor123 games that's existed and beloved before you're born, I'd imagine
It's kind of crazy that people seem to think that you need to "tinker" with Linux. On the contrary, I have had a much better time with Linux as an advanced user. Because ultimately I haven't needed to tinker anything at all (which I tend to do a lot in Windows, with driver issues, updates, blue screens even, which has happened several times in Windows 10 after updates). But not only that, my partner preferred Linux over Windows herself, and she isn't as tech-savvy as I am. And the real casual crowd, like my parents, found Linux to make more sense. It definitely depends on which desktop environment you use, but there are A LOT of distributions with far easier desktop environments compared to KDE and Windows.
Generally, Linux works great out of the box if you use hardware that is compatible. Otherwise it will feel like a lesser OS. In terms of gaming, I found Linux to be much faster on APUs. mainly due to less strain on the CPU. Generally it seems like I get better memory bandwidth in Linux.
Same for me as well. It boggles my mind how Windows seems to work perfectly for everyone else, but for me it never works the way I want it to. I run Arch Linux (obligatory "I use Arch, btw") and even that pales in comparison to the headache I get trying to make Windows work for me. When something breaks on Windows, it's nigh impossible to find a solution, and even if there was one, it's usually convoluted as heck. On Linux, fixing things is way easier. It may still take quite a bit of time, but at least I can find out what went wrong and how to fix it. And in general, I encounter far fewer issues on Linux. Even with an Nvidia GPU, I've never had driver issues.
Linux also works much better on my potato laptop. Windows 10 uses so much power just idling and programs open so much more slowly.
Same here for some reason. It's like windows just refuses to work sometimes or I have to find some obscure forum post to get something running while the gigantic majority of people seem to have the opposite issue on linux. I personally use both Mint and Pop!_OS (Laptop and desktop respectively) and so far there's been very few games that don't run and only because of anticheat. Every other game runs perfectly fine including apex weirdly enough. The only thing I do differently is skip the vulkan shaders popup because I get that same crashing and forever-loading issue but in-game it runs flawlessly even when it's skipped.
I feel like it's because GNU/Linux is made in logic in mind, not hiding stuff from you whereas MS Windows is designed in a way that tells you it knows better than you and you shouldn't tamper with your PC because it's guaranteed you are going to f it up. (which is true if you believe that bullshit 😂)
I like the logic of linux and I converted my gf from someone who thought they "don't understand PCs" to someone who daily drives GNU/Linux and laughs at n00bs who think neofetch is some hacker tool 🤣
It's interesting seeing comments like this, because I never have these problems with Windows and we used it on probably 40 different laptops this year. If I do ever need to troubleshoot something, the answers are far easier to find for Windows issues than Linux.
My Linux experience was the obscure forum post to fix something. Reddit was also where a lot of the answers came from, we even posted there multiple times asking for advice on some of the issues we encountered.
As mentioned, it may be the distro we used, as that was just what Tuxedo use/recommend and it seemed like the easiest/best option at the time.
@@JarrodsTech Oh wow, didn't expect you to be in this thread. Honestly based on other comments it sounds like the approach you took is likely for the best in terms of warning people about what to expect from linux. If most people have these issues then it's definitely for the best that they don't dive into linux.
For me, and seemingly the other people in this bizarre alternate reality-esque minority, linux for us has always been the problem-free OS especially since the steam proton revolution back in 2018. Honestly I don't even use the terminal anymore except for Redshift (basically f.lux on linux) and even then it's purely because I have custom settings I use. All my other programs are GUI-based and downloaded from the Pop Shop/Mint's Software Manager. Plus, with the Cinnamon desktop environment, it's basically more or less how I used windows 7 back in the day and it looks the part too. I just wish I could figure out what I did _right_ so I could help others have an easy time like I did.
Jarrod can you try reviewing Lenovo Legion Slim 7 AMD Advantage edition for 2022?
It would be also great if linux gaming is tested on that laptop. Since it is using amd gpu and performance profiles are baked into firmware.
@@christy6430 I agree.
The Legion 7 AMD Advantage is better. Same thing as the Legion 7i, but AMD Advantage. And I have it.
They aren't sending the Slim, but the non Slim is coming. There won't be any more Linux game benchmarks though. Sorry, the 2-3 weeks of hair pulling to test these 6 games will not be repeated.
@@JarrodsTech Fair enough. Though I can provide some benchmarks of the 6700M for those interested on Linux gaming for those interested.
Looking forward to seeing an updated version of this video! I've fully switched to gaming on Linux and haven't encountered any issues so far.
As a Linux user, I can tell you first hand that nvidia on Linux *can* quickly devolve into a sht show. When it works, it’s great. When it doesn’t, it’s like… ugh this again. On the flip side, I’ve had a *far* easier time getting things going and maintaining stability with AMD gpus. You should try an Advantage laptop with a MUX switch to see how it fares.
It could change the results, but considering out of the 37 laptops we've tested this year, only one had a Radeon dGPU, so it's not exactly common. Plus Tuxedo sell their laptops with Nvidia, so that's what we tested with.
I have one (the Legion 7) and it's been the best Linux experience I've ever had. Literally no driver issues and Wayland was so much better on Mesa than Nvidia. It wasn't even close.
I have no problems running all my games in Linux. They work flawlessly, the Linux is just a better overall experience than in windows.
Love Linux, I have several machines from old PC's, my old gaming laptop and Raspberry Pis etc, but for gaming, I just stick to a new Windows gaming laptop. There are some workstation apps though that run very well in Linux, which is great for CAD, photo, video, audio work as well as network, storage and security devices. Games? Just not worth the hassle. When I plan on gaming, I just want to relax and not get into a bunch of troubleshooting and config stuff.
If I might make some suggestions. For native games try forcing the use of proton and comparing against native performance, you may find they run better under proton in some cases.
In addition, if you are using KDE under X11 remember to make sure that compositing is turned off (alt+shift+f12 to toggle compositing) otherwise you will get some terrible results. Compositing should turn off automatically for native games but under proton you may have to toggle it yourself. This is an often overlooked "gotcha" about KDE + X11 which sometimes leaves people with questions.
I'd love to see your first Linux laptop sometime on the channel haha
Yep, as a Linux user, I can confirm this all sounds about right. Find and read a bunch of logs to fix problem C so problem B can be resolved, since B prevents you from fixing A, which ultimately prevents game play. Linux over Windows for a lot of things, but gaming on Linux can sometimes be frustrating to say the least. I'm just glad to see Linux gaming is better than it was many years ago.
As a Windows user for very long time, I decided to give Linux a try and I'm using Linux Fedora on my Razer Blade ADV 15, RTX 3070 and I'm loving it!!! I did not have time to start playing some games on it, but im planing it once I finish my college stuff lol
Razer is very good for Linux users with their OpenRazer software
Good decision! with Linux you'll graduate with a high GPA, simply bc you won't have the time to jump through all the hoops to play any game on it.
@@voidvoid5151 Thank you very much for your comment. I did not know Razer had this project, I will definitely give it a try and help the community open source grow up with Linux.
@@maviniii you're welcome, it not only gives you the control over your hardware/macros/RGBs for the laptop, it also works for Razer peripherals.
@@voidvoid5151 unusless
Windows is much better for gaming. Both performance and compatibility is better.
Performance varied game to game, some run better on linux, some on windows
It really depends how well the fame is optimized for directx
On linux games are translated to Vulkan if they use directx, games with notoriously bad optimization (like the callisto protocol recently) will run better on linux due to vulkan being by default a more lightweight better optimized API then directx
For compatability both are actually pretty equal in amount of games, its just different games
For windows you'll 100% be getting better compatability with new games, but Linux actually tends to do better with older games, especially onea using really old versions of directx, while they will probably still run under windows, they will perform terribly, modern GPUs emulate anything pre directx 10, and due to Linux (more specifically proton, valves compatability layer) translates directx to vulkan, something modern gpus support natively, those old games will run much better
@@flamingscar5263 None of the games in this video ran better on Linux. 1% is what's important after you already can't see the difference - and the difference between Linux and Windows is day and night.
@@xslvrxslwt "None of the games in this video ran better on Linux"
Because Nvidia.
@@flamingscar5263 what video did you watch bro???
Don't tell this loud because linux snowflakes will be fight with you 🤣🤣🤣
I wonder if Nvidia is willing to fix this bug. The 3060 were released Feb.2021. Also how much better the results would be on a full AMD laptop.
I have a Legion 7 (the AMD Advantage model) and Linux had been nothing short of amazing. It probably is Nvidia's crap drivers. And that's why Linus Torvalds flipped off Nvidia.
Check the pinned comment for an update on this!
It gets way more interesting when all AMD laptops are compared, Nvidia hasn't offered best support for Linux if any at all. There is way better performance gain on AMD GPU.
It could change the results, but considering out of the 37 laptops we've tested this year, only one had a Radeon dGPU, so it's not exactly common. Plus Tuxedo sell their laptops with Nvidia, so that's what we tested with.
@@JarrodsTech I totally get that honestly it's a shame that there is so few AMD gpu laptops -_-
It will be nice to try the same test with a 6600m
I would suggest finding laptops with Radeon graphics card particularly with RX6000S series like ROG Zephyrus G14 (2022) if you're into Linux gaming.
I use NVIDIA on Ubuntu, I play some games on steam and they work fine.
@@wassim-akkari I use EndeavourOS (a very close to Arch distro) on my Legion 7 2022 (which is AMD Advantage) and it has been amazing on it.
@@cameronbosch1213 I am considering buying Legion 7 Gen 7 (2022 AMD). Is this the one you have? Can you share what problems did you run into, if any? Did you need to install anything extra? Also - is "Onyx Grey' variant available? Thanks
@@SirRFI Literally the only problems I had were an issue with older versions of the AMD Radeon graphics software with newer drivers, which I fixed by uninstalling the AMD GPU drivers and all of the AMD utilities, and then reinstalling AMD Software: Adrenlin Edition from their website and the AMD Radeon GPU drivers from it.
The other was the Wi-Fi card. It was the same piss-poor MediaTek Wi-Fi card in the XMG Neo 15, which beat the MacBook Pro in terms of how slow it was (which is not very good), it didn't work in Linux no matter how hard I tried, and there was even the issue of hard lockups when using the dGPU with that Wi-Fi card, which went away with an Intel AX210. Now there is the MediaTek 7922, which is quite good for an non-Intel or non-Killer Wi-Fi card, but this wasn't that card that came in my unit. That card (the MedieaTek RZ 616) should ONLY be used in budget laptop,s not premium laptops (XMG actually apologized for using the Wi-Fi card and gave users an option for 20 Euros to change it to an Intel AX210 directly from them. Fortunately, like the Neo 15, the Wi-Fi card in the Legion is slotted/socketed, meaning replacing it isn't too difficult (and I would 100% do it if not to fix the poor Wi-Fi speeds and other driver issues I had).
@@SirRFI There is one other problem, and that is it is currently unavailable in the U.S. on Lenovo's website with no ETA on it being available again. I would suggest looking elsewhere for the Legion 7, because it's that good of a laptop.
man used nvidia to showcase linux, smh
lmao, I know right ( mistakes lol)
As mentioned in the pinned comment: Some comments about using Radeon graphics. It's worth keeping in mind two things, the first is out of 37 laptops sent to us in 2022, only one had a Radeon GPU - it's just less common. Second, the Tuxedo laptops ship with Nvidia.
great to see content like this
I'd love to see a video about your 2008 laptop (as I daily drive a laptop from 2009 but recently it's had some RAM issues) 😀
I run Linux on my Mech-15 G3, it's fantastic. Generally Fedora-based distros, they're great, and I game on it regularly. Elden Ring, The Witcher 3 Complete Edition, Civiliation VI, Age of Empires IV, and more run near perfectly, and it's great. :)
As a daily Linux user and fanboy: windows
Edit:
At 6:45 you explain that your partner had an issue because "she didn't know what the default text editor was called". But you then go on to say that (implicitly) this makes Linux less intuitive. It does not. It makes it less familiar. If they used Linux+kde from day 1, it'd be normal to look for "Kate" instead of "notepad". That isn't less intuitive, it is the same, but different levels of familiarity.
It's less intuitive in the way that every other OS uses something like 'notes' for their text editor, a name that relates to the type of application you're wanting to use. The same issue with Dolphin being the file manager, but it was pinned to the task manager and has a more relevant icon so it was much easier to find.
It's ok for advanced software to have actual name. Like, chances are everyone heard of Photoshop at some point and knows what it is. Is "Kate" such program, or more of DE stock program with base functionality? If the latter, I'd advocate for name that says what it does.
@@JarrodsTech So, GNOME next? Keep in mind their flow is centered around apps showing up after pressing "super" (Windows) key, more like on phones. You can install extension to have taskbar (it's called dash for some reason - "dash-to-panel" is one I recommend)
Pretty confident that the results are not going to be different but would be interested in seeing an all AMD build given their drivers are open source and heard they work better on linux
NVIDIA's proprietary drivers are known to be the main source of alot of issues from desktop environments all the way to gaming while AMD and Intel's open source drivers aka Mesa are significantly better so can test those instead
Why don't you review laptop that they doesn't meant for gaming
Some workstation 2in1 business office laptops
To see how preform in games and other content creation work
For gaming I use kde neon purely for the latest plasma I put kubuntu on my mum's laptop because windows just kept releasing updates and screwing things up she has no issues using office documents and PowerPoint work as they are compatible and the biggest benefit is 0-5% CPU usage for her old laptop 💻 is amazing ram usage is way less giving it more life also she doesn't have to install new updates but I do it when I see her for security but what I'm saying is the privacy and freedom bloatware alone is so worth it. Heck I game on kde neon I said bye to stupid window updates
i also found that alot of games i cant seem to get working like older games(manhunt and nfs underground in win10)work flawlessly in linux rather thru wine/ lutris or proton
Yes to Linux, I use it to game (via my steam deck) on my gaming laptop (for day to day things in my digital life)I also have Linux on there too. KDE Neon & KDE Steam OS, also don't forget about proton drivers and Mesa
Linux! And ofc with AMD! No $2000 energy-eating bricks from Nvidia.
It could change the results, but considering out of the 37 laptops we've tested this year, only one had a Radeon dGPU, so it's not exactly common. Plus Tuxedo sell their laptops with Nvidia, so that's what we tested with.
You call the windows ui/ux 'polished'??
tbh I was shocked when he said that.
I agree. Back in the Windows 95/98 days, I would agree. But not now, definitely not now.
It feels far more cohesive than our Linux experience.
stockholm syndrome is real man.
I swear, if everything was Linux compatible, I'd switch right now. Literally. I'd backup my stuff and wipe Windows off completely.
I really wish Linux would be a thing for gaming. Windows needs competition.
Jarrod i have a request for you can you redo this same test with the ASUS - ROG Strix G15 AMD 6800m and nvidia 3070. Install a linux distro that is user friendly and easy to install(Linux Mint) on the amd 6800m version and on the 3070 version windows 10 or 11 pro. See how big the difference is or you could build an all amd pc with the latest amd gpu and cpu and another with intel cpu and nvidia gpu and install linux on the amd version and windows on the intel and nvidia version.
No sorry, I have no way of getting what will shortly be a 2 gen old product, companies just don't keep older stuff on hand for me to borrow.
@@JarrodsTech Good to know, But could you consider my request for the pc build with amd cpu/gpu & other with intel cpu /nvidia gpu and do a test with linux and windows on it.
Is this the Linux video you hinted a while back, or there is more coming?
As some already suggested, I would like to see a video with full AMD laptop + Linux too. You can combine it with review for Legion 7 Gen 7 (2022 AMD) or HP OMEN 16, though Zephyrus G14 could be an option if you still have it. To make the experience extra different, try other Desktop Environment (I suggest GNOME, which is the other most popular one) and newer distribution (I suggest Fedora, though specifically for gaming Nobara could be interesting - it's tweaked and has some stuff preinstalled).
We might have an AMD Legion 7 coming, so we could do some Linux tests with it. There probably won't be another full Linux video though.
It's a bad idea to suggest GNOME to a Windows user trying out KDE for the first time. GNOME is still shit and I use it everyday.
@@smishyt KDE might be overwhelming with amount of settings, something normal user might not want and obscure something they are looking for. It might also give them false impression that Linux is like reskinned Windows. It's down to personal taste and requirements. I think that Windows users will be fine as long there's "taskbar" (dash-to-panel or similar) extension on GNOME.
Anyway, my point was that this video already touched KDE on the surface, so why not try something else next time.
@@SirRFI Many Windows users already tinker with the operating system since XP. High density settings in KDE are nothing new to Windows users familiar with the Registry or gpedit. It's not "reskinned" Windows, it's simply a configuration most are willing to change if they don't like it.
It's entirely possible to make KDE look identical to GNOME while keeping the superior performance of KDE.
i do not agree that windows gui is more polished it is very inconsistent, KDE has almost every feature you would ever need from a gui but the proplem with kde is that is is not well explained where are the settings i think gnome is more simpler to use their text editor is called text editor lol
Edit: I switched to KDE recently on my laptop and found that when search text editor in krunner it brings up Kate I don't know what are you complaining about
windows because i have the legion 7i 2021 and the speakers dont work on the only version of linux that im used to
Games with Vulkan (like DOOM 2016, NMS) run amazingly well on Linux, in comparison to Windows.
But it's not unlikely that some games need some tweaking to get it working.
windows, due to it being basically a guaruntee that a game will run its best on it. while some games do work fine on linux, and maybe some work better, most games out there work best or only work on windows
I am just waiting for Linux to run all game fine to make my transition
I'm so glad you talked in a transparent way about Linux.
It's impossible to have a healthy discussion with Linux soldiers online.
The comments sure feel that way! We did need to ask for help a few times on Reddit though, and everyone was very helpful.
For Linux gaming try arch or arch based distros like manjaro...etc.
LINUX AND GG OS
both are good
right now I'm using ggos and it's using only 1gb memory
I use Linux as a daily driver for engineering/development purposes,
I've used Linux daily for like 12+ years,
I consider myself an experienced user, I am able to set up almost anything in Linux (including games in the pre-Proton era, with plain Wine),
and EVEN I have my desktop and laptop Dual Booting with Windows for gaming.
When you get a little free time to play games, you want to just play the game you want to play.
I am troubleshooting development problems and bugs all day, since I am an engineer/developer.
No, I don't want to have to troubleshoot in the little time I have to play a game.
Linux gaming is DEFINITELY not there yet for the masses.
The vast majority of people just want things to work, they're not gonna sit through the process of trying to troubleshoot things that don't work.
Not everyone can do this, not everyone is that tech (software, in particular) savvy.
If an individual wants to play games, Windows all the way.
As much as I hate them.
And I say all this as an avid Linux/OSS supporter.
6:54 Excuse me!? If you think that Windows 11 has a "polished UI", then you're wrong. GNOME 40+ & KDE Plasma 5.27 have more polished UIs than Windows 11. The inconsistencies in Windows 11 are so freaking annoying!
There are so many options though with Linux. How is a new user supposed to know this information? How much time and experimentation does it take to find the one that fits better for you? How much of it is personal preference? Windows, for most users, is easy and good enough without that time commitment.
@@JarrodsTech That would be true until Windows 10 stops getting updates because some company forced them to get a new computer and now suddenly things don't just work anymore and they either have to spend loads of money trying to look for a new computer without actually needing a new computer or they HAVE to use Linux because Microshaft thinks still quite capable Intel Core i7-7600H computer is too old to run Windows 11 and they follow through on blocking updates.
If this was 2010 or even 2011, I'd agree with you. Linux wasn't ready for gaming. But 2022 I feel changed that. Sure, the choices can be paralyzing, but there are a few distros that are better for beginners than others (and even some you wouldn't think of a "beginner-friendly distros).
Why 2022 feels different is because the Steam Deck broke open the Linux gaming market, thanks to Valve and Proton. Sure, some games might never work properly on Linux, but in that case, the developers are to blame and deserve every bit of hate they get for refusing to support the growing platform. And Valve has single-handedly taken Linux gaming to practically non-existent for most people to quite usable and even in the case of games like Elden Ring for example, it was better on Linux than Windows at launch!
But in 2025, when Windows 10 is sunset, I think we'll see a surge in Linux users. Some by choice, others by necessity. Gaming on Linux could become not that much different than Windows for non MMO games. And I don't think Windows 12 will be enough to stop this; if anything, I think it will make things worse for Microsoft, not better.
Not to mention, the newer versions of GNOME (from 40 onwards) are great for people new to computers (outside of smartphones) in general or former macOS users, and there are other desktop environments like KDE Plasma or Cinnamon which aim to be easier for Windows transitioners.
I remember the first time I used Ubuntu from early 2010 with 10.04 Lucid Lynx to 11.04 Natty Narwhal (the one that replaced GNOME 2 with Canonical's Unity desktop environment) and how much I liked it; I wasn't even 18 at the time, but I loved computers so much I wanted to try a dual-boot on a laptop. And I had a lot of fun until that laptop's hard drive failed (it was making HDD failure noises), taking both Windows 7 & Ubuntu with it. And so I returned to Windows until 2017 or so, when I was in college studying for a Computer Science degree. But when I tried Ubuntu then, they had moved to GNOME 3, and I felt lost. In fact, I almost gave up, like you said, because I couldn't understand the GNOME Shell interface even though it had been around since 2011 (though I used Ubuntu's Unity for a bit instead, that was very different). But I decided to persevere and try Kubuntu, and it was much easier. Now sure, it wasn't really amazing back then, but since then, I've moved onto other distros and distro-hopped until I got to EndeavourOS, a near stock Arch-based distro and probably my recommended distro for KDE users who don't like Snaps.
But the point I'm trying to make is that we need new users to get these developers to take Linux seriously. I mean, part of it is due to some of the elitist distros doing crap to new users, but then you've got communities for distros like EndeavourOS, which while definitely not meant as a beginner's distro, sadly, for KDE users, it's probably their best option, unless they like the stuttery mess that is Fedora or Ubuntu (and the snaps involved with Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Ubuntu Studio, and even KDE Neon), has a very welcoming community for those who have even a bit of knowledge with Linux. But we need users, and yes, relearning new new things is hard, but dual-booting a system with Ubuntu/Kubuntu isn't too hard, and is even easier if your laptop has two or more drives. That way, you can have the best of both worlds. Imagine having things like the Adobe Creative Suite or other specialty software on Linux... Also note that DaVinci Resolve is on Linux and remember that GIMP, Blender, & Krita are prefect examples of great FOSS that started on Linux.
And sure, there will always be users who need something ONLY available on Windows, such as CAD programs, but Linux has come so far since Ubuntu arrived on the scene in 2004. And I think its growing fast.
OK. Just repeat the comparison with AMD gpu. You will be surprised. Nvidia GPU is the worst case scenario.
It could change the results, but considering out of the 37 laptops we've tested this year, only one had a Radeon dGPU, so it's not exactly common. Plus Tuxedo sell their laptops with Nvidia, so that's what we tested with.
I switched to linux about 1 year ago, I'm glad that you bring light to linux gaming topic. Since the state of linux is too complex, like does it need to get better for more people to switch to it? Or is having more linux users what allows it to get better, you know.. The chicken/egg issue
Anyway have a great day 🔥
Misleading thumbnail :/
I'd love to see a comparison between something debian, something arch, and something red hat.
We already spent 2-3 weeks (much of that time pulling hair), so probably not sorry.
@@JarrodsTech ahhh, well I don't want malding because of Linux.
i hava amd PC, cpu and gpu. with "Nobara Project linux based on Fedora" and same results Gnome - Arch, i had better performance then on Win 11 for Apex. I think nvidia still not ready for Linux.
to be fair I was always simping for toxedo... if they could do proper AMD laptop with modern hardware im buying it!
I am unfamiliar with how the Proton translation layer works, but it isn't realistic to expect similar performance in Linux down the line. This feels like comparing Python with C's performance. I would love to have games that have native support for Linux but that requires more support on open-source libraries like OpenGL (so that game developers could take advantage of Linux's strengths); rather than a translation layer.
You really only need more CPU power, and I suppose that can be done with more cores, though I'm not certain. Most people have GPU as their limiting factor, so the translation doesn't cause issues.
Linux gaming needs bleeding edge distro that is more focused on gaming. Haven't played games for awhile as my GPU got busted and I have been running with iGPU for a long time, but Manjaro used to be great.
the translation layers used to run games in Proton is proned to consume more VRAM, so in cases like Apex Legends max settings with huge texture streaming budget eating into VRAM and tanks the performance.
there's a "easy" way to verify this, is just run the game on Windows, but use DXVK/VKD3D-proton to translate the graphics calls to Vulkan. Although you're going to jump through hoops just like gaming on Linux, maybe even more so by merging the 2 together
Thx Jarrod ❤❤❤ I will translate it today 🙂
Like 👍, comment and link to your channel like always 🙂
Your channel is my favorite 🤩
I think you need to try Linux mint 21 or LMDE 5, i switched from Ubuntu to Debian and some keyboard shortcuts for windows explorer like win key+ e works on mint out of the box and felt right at home without the need to customize keyboard shortcuts.
Why clickbait? Seriously, its so pathetic
This video is a perfect example of why linux fans should never recommend LTS distros to new users. I had multiple issues with ubuntu and popular ubuntu based distros. I wanted to gave up but I downloaded Nobara and now it's my daily driver. Fedora is just a good base.
It’s amazing to see how many games work on Linux and work quite well on Linux. The real limiting factor right now is kernel level anticheats. I checked on Lutris and many games would be very compatible if they didn’t have these criminally dangerous anticheats software. This prevents many of the big names, like Valorant, to work on Linux. Once this is getting taken care of, hopefully this will mean many more people will switch to Linux or at least try it.
For the moment NVIDIA Drivers on Linuxs are worst than windows, I will recommend you to test Linux vs Windows on AMD GPUs, NVidia is working on get a better Linux Drivers hopefully this comes quickly :)
Calling privacy a "feature" was a bit... but still, thanks for reminding users that they can always dual-boot.
Nvidia drivers problems is BC they don't want to cooperate and open their code so Linux community implements them.
Which is the best choice between XMG Neo 15 or Tuxedo Stellaris 15? I think both can run Windows and Linux distros...
My respect for you has just scyrocketed to the moon
How many simple problems does it take for it to be a big problem?
Pretty sad that privacy is considered a feature now.
Linux is better. It just needs more compatibility. For now, my dual GPU (discrete RTX 3050 laptop GPU and integrated Ryzen 7 4800H's iGPU) doesn't work properly, so I am stuck with Windows. In the future, I'll give it another shot.
More resources for gaming, less bloat running in the background, and most importantly infinite customizability. What else can a gamer ask for? For all these to come together, of course. On paper, these are great, but they aren't complete yet.
You should not switch to a Linux distro just for gaming. But if you care about privacy and freedom - Linux might be for you. Also, if you like a clean looking OS - check out a Gnome distro, like Ubuntu or Fedora.
I kind of have a gripe with EVERY tech tuber, referring to small performance differences as "margin of error".
It's obviously NOT M.O.E if it is always a repeatable and consistent difference!
Yes if the margin has variables then of course it is a M.O.E! But if it is always 2 FPS lower on GPU A and always 2 FPS higher on GPU B, then that isn't a margin of error... At that point, it's just a minor performance difference, not an error, a difference.
Sit down a MacOS bred user in front of Windows desktop, and he'll also have a learning curve and possible fixes googling out... same on the opposite situation. And regarding Kate not showing up as an obvious text file editor... in most environments, be it Gnome or KDE or any other, when you start typing 'editor' or 'text' proper editor tool will pop up... when you'd installed Windows, you had MS IE and now MS Edge... if you don't know it, you wouldn't know what the latter does until you either looked it up or started it anyway, it's not like it's saying MS Edge Internet Browser in the menu, is it? The same applies to other OSes and their apps... but the issues with Windows environment virtualisation/emulation in Linux pertain until at least the devs start to focus more on Linux OS support eg to bank on Steam Deck success and customer base.
Linux is great for servers and enterprise use...
For basic home users, Ubuntu + Firefox is enough.
For everything else - my time is worth more then the money i spend on MS OS.
Why? Because if i mingle with every software to make it run for 1 hour, that is 1 hour too much.
15 Games = 15 hours = i can buy 10 MS OS licenses with money i can earn in 15 hours.
With the thumbnail, thought Linux had it. Hopefully, Linux gets better. I got back into Linux the other day, for better performance overall, more security (especially for ethical hacking that I'm getting into), and more customisation. :3 My first time to get a Debian one, got the latest Cinnamon. To get the regular Debian with no ethernet cable, such a hassle, even when you follow all the instructions, to get GUI, woaahhh! Hehe. I use to mess around with Red Hat Linux back in 2005 or so, high school days. I installed it via a DVD or CD, via the Dummies book, back when those books were very popular. Haha.
i think u overdone it ,cause linux don't run all the games, i have somewhere 100 games 70% (and more i think) will play now on linux, the biggest problem is coming from the companies wher they dont fix bugs where saying it works on linux, and not so much games that they were native on Win (ex. sniper 2 run perfect on linux, with tomb raider there is a bug where i cant go further, even if u can play it on linux, cities skylines, doesnt even start even it is and for linux, tatals wars from those i have 980% runs on linux), nice video👍
Oh, good to know ... so I can switch to Linux finally and get decent gaming experience. Now just to pick a decent and flexible distro ... Fedora maybe ?
So my use case is verity gaming with friends. We will try new online multiplayer games frequently maybe sometimes 3-4 times a night till we find a game we get hooked on for a while.
As of right now we just install and go no real down time waiting for people to get up and going.
If I do this I want to make sure I won't be missing out on the action or holding up the group.
So my real question is how easy is it to get going from downloading, installing and playing online with friends.
can someone answer this for me
ive got a 599 dollar laptop that has a 1.2 tb ssd, 24 gb ram, ryzen 7 5700u 1.8 ghz whit a vega 8 and a battery that runs for about 7 hrs
did i get scammed
Windows 10 Lite also runs just as fast as GNU Linux and consume same amount of resources.
I guess towards the end of the day, Windows is just less headaches and the GUI in Windows has been decades ahead of Linux since Windows Vista, there so many quality of life features in Windows that you use daily, but in Linux none of them work or they are half broken which makes using Linux a chore.
Linux has one massive gaming advantage, when using proton early access or just released games can see better performance. One example was hogwarts legacy, its buggy start saw better linux performance because memory leak wasn't as bad and the way linux is a lighter OS. Also I'd advise using either Pop_OS, Arch (Endevour OS makes arch easy), Ubuntu or Fedora for gaming as they have easy NVIDIA driver install processes and have amazing community support.
Glad EndeavorOS is getting some love In the comments
Should have tried using nobara linux, it gives better performance.
Damn Omnium Gatherum respect
Even on Windows, many users didn't know they can edit formatted texts documents with Wordpad, instead on making poor docs on Notepad, google doc it, or worst, paying a software copy of Word... Or for the best part, edit theire documents in a open source office suite...
people just use kms or such service to activate ms office, you know...
Hey guys, my question maybe is a little of topic for this video, but i am wondering what you think: I am considering buying a new Laptop which should be capable of CAD rendering, as well as gaming in high quality. I´ve got a Msi Katana with i7-11800h, Geforce Rtx 3070 (85W) in the eye. In comparison to the Acer Nitro 5 which has the newer i7-12700 and the Rtx 3060 (140 W (Both with 2x8GB Ram and 17,3" Full HD Display). They go for the exact same prize of 1299€ (in sale). What is your opinion? Which one do you think has the better performance an will work better in the future?
Thanks for your opinions and answers.
Apex Legends runs much much better on Linux than on Windows out of the box from my personal experience and I ditched Windows just because that game runs much better and many other...
Stuck arch Linux on my asus A17 and it legit removed all stutters from apex Legends, beyond that I won't recommend it to anyone that isn't technical
Linux, is a myth, if it were better, you would see results, I give it the Bird.
Linux, like Star Citizen, a work in progress. Ready for all any year now
Yeah Nvidia always sucked paired with Linux ;(
Nvidia should open-source their drivers like AMD already has since idk how long.
Fair Enough. Gaming on Linux isn't up to par, but we have hopes on Valve!
Bro why clickbait
Putting aside the fact that litterally the point of every thumbnail ever is made to have people click it, the thumbnail is accurate. The game on the screen gets those average FPS numbers in each operating system.
Unfortunately amd imo is best suited for linux and gaming.The driver support is just way better not to say nvidia hasn't done a decent job since they honestly dont have to support linux period
It could change the results, but considering out of the 37 laptops we've tested this year, only one had a Radeon dGPU, so it's not exactly common. Plus Tuxedo sell their laptops with Nvidia, so that's what we tested with.
There is a pretty good price drop on some laptops at Best Buy right now, but tomorrow is the last day for the sale. And I'm not sure what would be the best to get.
The new asus g14 6700s version is only 1000 dollars right now, but the strix advantage addition with the 6800m is 1299... I also found a gigabyte arous, AORUS 15 XE5, that's the new model with the ddr5 ram, and it has a 130 watt 3070ti and a 12700h cpu and it's only 1189 right now, its originally over 2300$ What do you think would be the better choice? Laptops are new for me, I've always had desktops.
Yes, a video on your 2008 laptop would be awesome...
Completely agree with you, Linux gaming has comes eons ahead of where it was and honestly it can be perfect if you only wanna play certain games and emulators or something but its still behind on the shiny new games and multiplayer titles of today.
I heavily relate with you about the 2008 mindset vs now as you get older you get more responsibilities with work and kids and less for wasting time trying to get a video game you barely have time to play to work. Thank you for not cherry picking and trying to make Linux look better than it is, its a great everyday distro and can work for gaming sure but it has challenges that people should be aware of.
I thought that intel configurations dynamic boost was supported. Support for AMD with dynamic boot was added in the latest driver for linux. In version 525.60.11 "Added support for Dynamic Boost on notebooks with AMD CPUs."
Guess Intel wasn't added
Not sure what you mean, that's an Nvidia driver version, why would it have support for AMD?
@@JarrodsTech sorry, I was referring to computers (AMD Cpu+Nvidia Gpu), support for "dynamic boost" has been added in the latest driver version. But in the case (Intel Cpu + Nvidia Gpu) support was added a little earlier (version 510.47.03), perhaps some configuration is missing from the nvidia driver.
I'll stick with windows. I don't really if it hinders my performance, I choose simplicity over complexity.
Love your vids. Question- where are you from? Your accent sounds like a twisted Australian's.
I am Australian. Never lived in any other country. My accent would be considered an urban Australian accent.
The vulkan shaders part I think is a bug because skipping them has shown no performance decrease when I play apex and moreover I've never crashed with apex since using it on linux. It was just as simple as enabling steam play and apex loaded without issue.