5 hours after I uploaded this video, they buffed some of the lowest performing classes on this list! Goes to show the numbers don't lie 😉Tamer, Solo, Soul Snatch, and Divine Retribution all got a buff. I will keep an eye on their new performance and update you guys in a couple of days 💪
Soul Snatch just got buffed pretty hard from the patch. I would put it at B probably. But I agree with everything else. Good video! (Snatch performs well on doctor cuz of aoe on blue chimera)
Yeah, soul snatch, tamer, solo, and divine retribution all got a buff a couple hours after I uploaded this haha. I will be keeping on eye on their new performances! Thanks for the note about snatch in doctor!
Paladin is super fun but it is true that it is hard to make the highest dps, we need very specific stats on the items for it, + the rng on the crits 😢 quite frustrating too is to have a bit a of lag while doing dps
This is probably the best tier list I watched. The good thing is that any class build and played properly will perform just fine. Some just have higher floor and ceilings and you can't help it. I've tried them all till spider queen before decided to stay with Warrior and Necro mainly bcs I found them the most fun to play (they aren't meta being my 2nd reason). I think warrior dps should rank higher tho, bcs even me who focus on tank often topping the dps chart without even trying 😅
Couldn't agree more! Every class is more than capable of topping out the DPS charts, even with some of the "stronger" or more "meta" classes in the same raid! Definitely play whichever spec you have the most fun in!
I think it should be noted that there are two different solo specs for bard, the first one being way harder to be consistent with. Second one is much better now that they fixed battle assistant. It's still not as good as the DPS only classes, but it can do ok.
Devs are still ignoring warrior classXD,, no update like buff , I'm looking at the game update announcement on discod , no buff happen on warrior compare to other class since global launch
@@DuckzYT123 u dont know what i meanXD,, ofcourse we(warrior) can be always top dps if we is the only one doing the right rotation skills and gear setup while your other party member doing wrong and also gap lvl inscribe stone (its skill issue) but if we all the same,, doing correct rotation and gear set up, u will know that some classes will go up higher than warrior,,
@@wolfph3911 Im with top guild top raids always with purple empower gems all archers and assassin still dominate them lol U cany finish raid challenge with idiot who don't know rotations warriors are op PvP or pve with perfect inscribe build and gear stats and purple gems stats also
Finally, real objective data! Would it be possible for you to run a similar analysis on tank classes? I'm not sure what metrics you would use....total healing? My understanding is that all mitigation is considered healing.....
So the game calculates tanking prowess in terms of dps as well 😅 it's hard to quantify "tanking". Even something like mitigation, if tank A sidesteps an attack, while tank B just stands in it, which tank did better?
@@AoLastShelter I hear you but wouldn't "total healing" serve as a meaningful proxy? In other words, if shields and healing all count as healing, that covers a lot of ground for the effectiveness of tanking. The only question I have is whether actual mitigation (i.e. defense, glancing, etc) also counts as healing or is factored into some kind of metric
@@matthewoates4656 It could work. I use a full strength build when going for paladin tank parses because that's all the game cares about is DPS for tanks 😅
AO love your breakdown and deceptions on your videos for this game ! Will you do a complete breakdown and best build for the Mage class like you did with paladin ?
Thanks you for the good work, playing 5 class at 100, I pretty agree with your tier list, would you have a good guide for dps pal ? See some but feel I'm still missing something despite the test I've done myself
Thank you, Ao. It's refreshing to see what the real math reveals. You can still have fun with the weakest char in the game, but it's cool to learn the statistics. 😊😉
@AoLastShelter Cool. I'm a one year newb on EQ, and I'm starting my first monk and first bard. I'm nearly 60 and haven't had this much fun since 1980's D&D! 😂
These are some takes indeed. Also I'm the pally you are talking about. Also using the website as a comparison is super scuffed, most of those runs are super padded.
Nice job King! Yes, the runs are padded 100%, but mathematically padding isn't an issue. Every spec has people padding their parses, so the functionality still applies. The specs with the highest padded parses are still the specs with the highest non-padded parse. It's not a coincidence that the 3 specs that were just buffed were all in the bottom 4 specs in this video (which was uploaded BEFORE any balance patch notes)?
@@AoLastShelter It kind of is, Ill use my runs as an example "King", Merfolk King is my worst elite because we are killing before I can shatter mobs to pad my dps, also I'm pretty sure it have 40-50 stacks on tree without anyone else in the party hitting the boss doesn't add up well "mathematically", synthesis doctor is legit waiting for second blue orb and then shattering the mobs and killing the boss. Gemini I got legit, but I got a god run of rng resets, also archdruid I padded on mobs. The problem with the tier list is that it forgets a couple things, neither of the top 2 classes are the best AOE class, so they would lose if a party decided to boost for example a frost mage, and letting them full pad on mobs for like more than half the bosses, also it forgets the value of team buffs. The best dps depends on if the boss is AOE, and if you value what they bring to the table, also I'm 90% sure that barbarian is comparable to duel for single target, and they are normally a pad class. I would be more then willing to debate with you at some point if you like, see if we can get a tier list part 3 XD
The fact that, out of all the pure DPS classes, mage is the only one to not have an A/S tier spec is just sad. Here's to hoping they give Mage a some love like they just did with the worst performing specs. Also, duel definitely needs a nerf, shit's busted on PvE and PVP.
@@AoLastShelter for me single target only? duel and thunder dps specially in mid fight barb has 25%+ dmg when the boss is around 45 percent below and that is not chance it will actually increase your dmg 25 percent when the boss hit 45 percent till it dies that is almost half of the fight
@@xR3coNx My ping is about 30-50 , I can use 4-5 Chord Scores after Passionates Play(sometimes 4 sometimes 5) and still do above 6,000dps vs first and second Boss in Arcane Realm Floor 6 today.
i honestly disagree about thunder barb dps spec not in S tier in every single category i played raid AR every single day barb dps has insane dps if you understand how dps barb works its kinda sucks honestly in spider queen players putting barb dps in eggs instead of boss without knowing that barb dps us sucks when you change target all the time cuz there is a thing called stacks and if you change target it will disappear barb is 1 of the highest single target burst dps class in the game not accurate at all even priest dps mehhh
Barb does really well in some raids, like ancient tree because of exactly what you said, the stacks. Unfortunately however, the dps parses consider ALL dps, including mobbing, which gives the edge to other classes like Justice who have high AOE damage
@@AoLastShelter 7k at the start of the boss any class beats, I want to see 7k when he dies, only if it hurts on the Chinese server which is 1 week ahead! no lies please.
Not a lie bro. You can check yourself. The chinese meta is super different. It's almost all hunting rangers and justice paladins. China is 10 days ahead of us
Hunting is A for sure xdd. These ratings are strictly using parse data, lmao. I'm not picking the ratings based on my feelings. You obviously didn't watch the video where I very clearly explained this, but I love the passion 😁
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5 hours after I uploaded this video, they buffed some of the lowest performing classes on this list! Goes to show the numbers don't lie 😉Tamer, Solo, Soul Snatch, and Divine Retribution all got a buff. I will keep an eye on their new performance and update you guys in a couple of days 💪
what about cunning man any info if it will stay shit or buffs n the future ?
I don't have any inside information, but they are doing a good job so far of balancing quickly. I expect to see cunning buffs in a week or 2
Soul Snatch just got buffed pretty hard from the patch. I would put it at B probably. But I agree with everything else. Good video! (Snatch performs well on doctor cuz of aoe on blue chimera)
Yeah, soul snatch, tamer, solo, and divine retribution all got a buff a couple hours after I uploaded this haha. I will be keeping on eye on their new performances! Thanks for the note about snatch in doctor!
Agreed
As one of the better Soul snatch mains, I hit 4.7k on a chief dummy :) after buffs with no potions
Like a 500 dps increase btw
Nice bro, that's pretty big! Can I hit you up for snatch build?
Paladin is super fun but it is true that it is hard to make the highest dps, we need very specific stats on the items for it, + the rng on the crits 😢 quite frustrating too is to have a bit a of lag while doing dps
100% agree! But it's rewarding when it hits 😌 the lag definitely sucks (for every class)
This is probably the best tier list I watched. The good thing is that any class build and played properly will perform just fine. Some just have higher floor and ceilings and you can't help it. I've tried them all till spider queen before decided to stay with Warrior and Necro mainly bcs I found them the most fun to play (they aren't meta being my 2nd reason). I think warrior dps should rank higher tho, bcs even me who focus on tank often topping the dps chart without even trying 😅
Couldn't agree more! Every class is more than capable of topping out the DPS charts, even with some of the "stronger" or more "meta" classes in the same raid! Definitely play whichever spec you have the most fun in!
I think it should be noted that there are two different solo specs for bard, the first one being way harder to be consistent with. Second one is much better now that they fixed battle assistant. It's still not as good as the DPS only classes, but it can do ok.
Yeah definitely, a lot of these specs have a few builds that can be ran. Some, like justice paladin don't even need to worry about builds 🤣🤣
Devs are still ignoring warrior classXD,, no update like buff , I'm looking at the game update announcement on discod , no buff happen on warrior compare to other class since global launch
Warrior is still really good right now. Not overpowered like duel, but not underpowered like cunning 😁
Warriors are doomed brother 😂
Maybe your build and stats are bad my warrior always doing 1st rank dps or 2nd always aheading archers and mages lol
@@DuckzYT123 u dont know what i meanXD,, ofcourse we(warrior) can be always top dps if we is the only one doing the right rotation skills and gear setup while your other party member doing wrong and also gap lvl inscribe stone (its skill issue) but if we all the same,, doing correct rotation and gear set up, u will know that some classes will go up higher than warrior,,
@@wolfph3911 Im with top guild top raids always with purple empower gems all archers and assassin still dominate them lol U cany finish raid challenge with idiot who don't know rotations warriors are op PvP or pve with perfect inscribe build and gear stats and purple gems stats also
Finally, real objective data! Would it be possible for you to run a similar analysis on tank classes? I'm not sure what metrics you would use....total healing? My understanding is that all mitigation is considered healing.....
So the game calculates tanking prowess in terms of dps as well 😅 it's hard to quantify "tanking". Even something like mitigation, if tank A sidesteps an attack, while tank B just stands in it, which tank did better?
@@AoLastShelter I hear you but wouldn't "total healing" serve as a meaningful proxy? In other words, if shields and healing all count as healing, that covers a lot of ground for the effectiveness of tanking. The only question I have is whether actual mitigation (i.e. defense, glancing, etc) also counts as healing or is factored into some kind of metric
@@matthewoates4656 It could work. I use a full strength build when going for paladin tank parses because that's all the game cares about is DPS for tanks 😅
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AO love your breakdown and deceptions on your videos for this game ! Will you do a complete breakdown and best build for the Mage class like you did with paladin ?
That's the plan! Mage might take a little longer, but I am working on other classes as well 🙂
I would be nice to see the best build & highest achieved DPS for every single one of the top classes, that could be another great video 💪🏼
Great idea! I'll see what I can do
another great analysis, loving your content bro
Appreciate it bro! Thanks for watching
I love it, best video by far!!
Are you going to do a DPS gearing guide?
Possibly! Thanks for the suggestion bro
@@AoLastShelter of course, an special aptitude tier list for every spec could be suuuuper interesting.
Yeah true! Special aptitudes are super important
Thanks you for the good work, playing 5 class at 100, I pretty agree with your tier list, would you have a good guide for dps pal ? See some but feel I'm still missing something despite the test I've done myself
I will be releasing a 10 minute video guide for dps pali soon 🙏
Ok great, thank you !
Can you link these parses , where are you looking at them ?
I really wanna know that too. I'm searching for a warcraftlogs for tarisland for a while now and didn't find.
Tarisland themselves actually maintains the parses. trl.tarisglobal.com/act/a202355/html/index.html
That "one dude Paladin" is that Holybloodelf by chance. He was just trying to parse high in tree, think he snagged #1
What server is it on? I can't find him
That one paladin I was referring to is King on NA-1
@@AoLastShelter Ahh. I am on EU
Is holybloodelf the best in EU?
@@AoLastShelter I can't find him because we are on different servers...
Thank you, Ao. It's refreshing to see what the real math reveals. You can still have fun with the weakest char in the game, but it's cool to learn the statistics. 😊😉
Agreed, great point! We're progging epic challenge merfolk and are purposefully using tamed beast for it 💪
@AoLastShelter Cool. I'm a one year newb on EQ, and I'm starting my first monk and first bard. I'm nearly 60 and haven't had this much fun since 1980's D&D! 😂
Haha it's a fun game for sure!
These are some takes indeed. Also I'm the pally you are talking about. Also using the website as a comparison is super scuffed, most of those runs are super padded.
Nice job King! Yes, the runs are padded 100%, but mathematically padding isn't an issue. Every spec has people padding their parses, so the functionality still applies. The specs with the highest padded parses are still the specs with the highest non-padded parse. It's not a coincidence that the 3 specs that were just buffed were all in the bottom 4 specs in this video (which was uploaded BEFORE any balance patch notes)?
@@AoLastShelter It kind of is, Ill use my runs as an example "King", Merfolk King is my worst elite because we are killing before I can shatter mobs to pad my dps, also I'm pretty sure it have 40-50 stacks on tree without anyone else in the party hitting the boss doesn't add up well "mathematically", synthesis doctor is legit waiting for second blue orb and then shattering the mobs and killing the boss. Gemini I got legit, but I got a god run of rng resets, also archdruid I padded on mobs. The problem with the tier list is that it forgets a couple things, neither of the top 2 classes are the best AOE class, so they would lose if a party decided to boost for example a frost mage, and letting them full pad on mobs for like more than half the bosses, also it forgets the value of team buffs. The best dps depends on if the boss is AOE, and if you value what they bring to the table, also I'm 90% sure that barbarian is comparable to duel for single target, and they are normally a pad class. I would be more then willing to debate with you at some point if you like, see if we can get a tier list part 3 XD
8025 dps with my necromancer on the synethesis doctor on epic difficulty just now
I don’t think it’s D grade, I mostly dominating groups with dps
The fact that, out of all the pure DPS classes, mage is the only one to not have an A/S tier spec is just sad. Here's to hoping they give Mage a some love like they just did with the worst performing specs.
Also, duel definitely needs a nerf, shit's busted on PvE and PVP.
Mage is nice in certain raids, but yeah you rarely hear, "we need to get a mage.." duel definitely needs a tune down.
Just curious which of these classes would shine the most in a pure single target boss?
Duel for sure. They have insane single target damage
@@AoLastShelter for me single target only? duel and thunder dps specially in mid fight barb has 25%+ dmg when the boss is around 45 percent below and that is not chance it will actually increase your dmg 25 percent when the boss hit 45 percent till it dies that is almost half of the fight
Great job ❤
Thank you! 😄
Good video!
I wanna ask which paladin dps skill 2 build is higher dps sword or judgement?
Thump for sure, especially with special aptitudes
@@AoLastShelter sorry I meant the 3rd skill
Most dps paladins go judgement strike over sword
@@AoLastShelter ty bro 😊
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Why did they F cunning so bad ….
Wtf🤣I was in the team on tree. I see my name go across the screen…the barbarian…EscanorLionSin
After the updated today, Bard now at least A for me
You're playing solo bard?
@@AoLastShelter yep and now I can do 5,000dps in 3 mins test with dummy 😊
Well you probably have a steady 30 ping or less. Because bard without good ping isnt that good
Yeah ping is pretty important for bard. The more chord skills you can get out the more damage
@@xR3coNx My ping is about 30-50 , I can use 4-5 Chord Scores after Passionates Play(sometimes 4 sometimes 5) and still do above 6,000dps vs first and second Boss in Arcane Realm Floor 6 today.
i honestly disagree about thunder barb dps spec not in S tier in every single category i played raid AR every single day barb dps has insane dps if you understand how dps barb works its kinda sucks honestly in spider queen players putting barb dps in eggs instead of boss without knowing that barb dps us sucks when you change target all the time cuz there is a thing called stacks and if you change target it will disappear barb is 1 of the highest single target burst dps class in the game not accurate at all even priest dps mehhh
Barb does really well in some raids, like ancient tree because of exactly what you said, the stacks. Unfortunately however, the dps parses consider ALL dps, including mobbing, which gives the edge to other classes like Justice who have high AOE damage
Can you do deep math on crit pally?
I plan on it bro!
Where did you get those parsing?
From their official site. trl.tarisglobal.com/act/a202355/html/index.html
How the hell warrior is in C tier, I'm the best dps always for all raids
Just based on the top top parses for each spec. Every single dps class is good imo, including rage 👌 I run with a rage player a lot and he pumps
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Guide of paladin dps please master
I'm working on it brother 👍
My poison always hits 5k+ watching this video 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Every spec is good, but 5k is on the low end. There are 10k justice parses. Almost every class is 7k+ on epic challenge merfolk
@@AoLastShelter 7k at the start of the boss any class beats, I want to see 7k when he dies, only if it hurts on the Chinese server which is 1 week ahead! no lies please.
Not a lie bro. You can check yourself. The chinese meta is super different. It's almost all hunting rangers and justice paladins. China is 10 days ahead of us
Fire mage is insane agains 10 v 10
I think fire mage will become even stronger with 110 gear and higher stats
@@AoLastShelter yes ice mage is sucks
the real problem is healer bard ..
Healer bard is pretty good 😍
Warrior on C tier makes literally no sense. Its one of the top dps classes.
Just based on the top top parses for each spec. Every single dps class is good imo, including rage! I run with a rage player a lot and he pumps
very wrong!
This is a month old...
ranger A xddd bro delete chanel pls
Hunting is A for sure xdd. These ratings are strictly using parse data, lmao. I'm not picking the ratings based on my feelings. You obviously didn't watch the video where I very clearly explained this, but I love the passion 😁