Over The Edge - Bat-May
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- Many people consider "Over the Edge" to be one of this show's finest works. Does Walter agree? Find out now as we continue our deep dive into The New Batman Adventures.
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"Over the Edge" is the eleventh episode of The New Batman Adventures, which originally aired on May 23, 1998. A war erupts between Batman and Commissioner Gordon when Gordon finds his daughter is the Dark Knight's fair maiden seconds before her death at the hands of the Scarecrow.
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Eh, I'm not as big a fan
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Over the edge was also the name
of a WWF event owen hart died on.
I think it was kinda of a waste of time when it never happened, I think that Penguin should have made a cameo with the villains on tv with the lawyer that helped OJ Simpson and if the scarecrow did came back with a redesign I think mixing him with Ezekiel Rage from Jonny Quest and the killer from Nightbreed.
I remember when Doug covered it during his top 11 best btas episodes video as NC!
Commissioner Gordon: "Like a fool I allowed you to run wild on your private crusade: a psychotic misfit playing masked hero. Now I've paid for it with Barbara's life"
Batman made Gotham safe and Gordon knew it. He’d just gone off the deep end with the death of his daughter
@@jessedellross3245 Gordon went unhinged all it took was one bad day
... chills!
Or: thats just Barbs fantasy
@@theshenparteiI see what you did there!
Bane: "You will fight to the death?"
Batman: "...It makes no difference now..."
That line always stuck with me with how tired and defeated he sounds
I always loved that line as it's just so cold, Bruce is pushed over the edge he feels like he failed Gotham, his family and his friends hell he had to put Tim back on the street just to save him.
And now his old friend, the man who was the first responder to his parents murder had hired the man who's hatred of him rivals that of The Joker.
Bruce feels done with it all at this point he's alright dying or if necessary killing Bane because as the line suggest he's lost everything now might as well just give in.
Kevin Conroy could do so much with a single word.
And that line convinced me there was something between Bruce and Barbara.
I saw this episode in the Latin American Spanish dub first and they give him a different take on that line that was also really effective and I still remember it to this day:
“Me da lo mismo vivir o morir” which roughly translates to it doesn’t matter, or more appropriately, I don’t care if I live or die. Framk Maneiro was a really good Batman (fun fact: he was also the voice of Megatron in the Transformers Unicron trilogy)
The only other time a line conveyed a defeated man so well in animation it was freeze’s final line in Batman beyond.
Also the way he strikes at Scarecrow after Barbara fell.. I really felt that he was going to throw him the same way.
"Please Jim, for Barbara." That line holds so much weight and the way Conroy delivered it was perfect as usual
Here it is. The big one. God what a story.
Seeing Gordon go off the deep end and do all he can to destroy Batman was truly heartbreaking and terrifying all at once
As the saying goes it took one bad day
true but whats even worse is that he is technically correct in what he says to Bats. The audience knows the backstory he doesnt so it sucks the most of all for us watching
@@bsgtrekfan88 as Batman said in JL: I’m a rich kid with issues……LOTS of issues”.
Found it interesting In Batman Beyond Barbara didn't learn from this lesson when Terry ended up in a similar situation. She took after her father.
And this wouldn’t be the last time Gordon became the bad guy, Gotham By Gaslight also made him the penultimate villain.
I liked Bane's humorous reasoning for going back on Gordon's word; reinforced the notion that Bane is not just dumb muscle and has charisma.
and is also intelligent. "thought about it, didn't work for me."
Makes sense in a way, the easy solution is often the best and locking people up in Gotham let alone keeping them incarcerated is not easy.
Besides why risk letting someone other than the squid have the title of “man who killed Batman”.
I like to think that Harley's crying in the interview scene was genuine, but not because Batman traumatized her as she says, but because, when she happily told the Joker that the caped crusader's identity was no longer a mystery and now he's just a wanted criminal like them, she didn't expect the clown's reaction would be putting a rope around his own neck
"Without Batman, crime has no punchline."
That and also (my theory) that she saw Batgirl as a friend/rival.
Batman Beyond would say otherwise, then again, this was Barbara's dream.
Speaking of that scene,,, what was scarface doing there? Wasnt that resolved a few episodes ago?
You think that the Penguin should have made a cameo with the villains on tv
Despite it being a dream, the plot makes sense because it's all of Barbara's fears. It exposes her as a character & how much she means to the people in her life. I think it's one of her best episodes despite her not being in it very long.
This was my favorite TNBA episode. A "What If.." episode where Bruce's world crumbles down again with Batgirl's death, Tim taken away, Nightwing hunted down, Alfred arrested, & Bane going after Batman. Only complaint was Jeffery Combs should've voiced Scarecrow again.
Honestly, I like that Scarecrow had no lines. It makes him more sinister, more terrifying, an almost force of nature.
@@RoosterMontgomery And? We've seen his gas and how it works through the entire BTAS run. That allows for a bottle episode (which this is) that is consistent with the story and the setting. This also gave us character growth and the implication that Jim already knows everything.
So we see Barb's nightmare made manifest AND then see that the fear she held for years... had no teeth. Jim wouldn't go on a revenge quest if she died because he knows who she is and supports her.
Not all "It was a dream!" stories are bad, they are only lazy if not done well. This episode is the gold standard for "it was a dream" storytelling.
Commissioner Gordon secretly knowing Batgirl's identity makes perfect sense to me. Any decent detective should've guessed who she was from the nature of her debut. "Gee a red-haired girl pretending to be Batman to convince people Gordon's innocent, who else could it be but his red-haired daughter?" As for if Gordon knows who Batman is, that depends on the continuity. For example I don't think he knows in the DCAU, but I think he does in the universe of Batman: Year One.
I feel like Jim found out after Dick quit as it's when Batgirl started to be seen more with Batman so I think after seeing and hearing her at crime scenes he figured it out.
In the Hush debut storyline, Bruce drops by the Daily Planet, sees Perry talking to Clark, and thinks "Perry has to know Clark is Superman, he's too good a reporter NOT to know. But he plays it cool, like Jim Gordon."
It makes sense that Gordon would at least suspect Bruce is Batman. Bruce Wayne is the only person in Gotham with both the motive and means to be Batman. It also makes sense that Gordon would decline to confirm his suspicion, in order to maintain plausible deniability.
I bet Jim Gordon would have HAD to know Bruce was Batman, when it was his turn as Batman in the comics. Oh yeah, that happened, and he basically wore a mech-suit.
Yeah. In fact, in one story of the New 52, James Gordon became Batman till Mr Bloom became too much of a threat and Bruce was forced to take the role of Batman again.
@@louisduarte8763 Indeed. And Jim was a darn good batman at that. Too bad Mr Bloom was too deadly of a villain for him to take on without the original dark knight’s help, even though Bruce had given up being the dark knight after his apparent death and short lived memory loss.
What it's most memorable about this episode is that (even knowing in advance that it is all a dream) the plot and atmosphere are so well written that you can feel the despair and misery of the characters. This episode was a great tribute to the imaginary tales of the Silver Age, showing us that a story didn't have to affect the continuity to be memorable because, as Alan Moore said, "Aren't all stories imaginary?"
I do think that one of the reasons "It's all a dream" has such a bad rap is it's terrible for self contained stories since it carries no consequences for the characters in the fiction. In a wider series like this it can reveal character motivations, prompt action, and really delve into the characters minds.
It was all a dream is terrible when it's used as an excuse for lazy writing but it's just another tool that writers can use
@@tinkerer3399 I agree it's lazy but I don't deny it's useful. In a show with a continuity like this one there's little ways to handle the repercussions of pulling a shocker like this. The other ways to not affect the status quo (which important to the show) would've been equally sketchy: alternate dimension, memory wipe, resurrection, you name it. There's no going back from this without some sort of convenient reset button.
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@@tinkerer3399 To complement that point, even if they followed through on a scenario like "Over The Edge", what could really be done with the aftermath except kill or imprison Bruce or have him start a new life elsewhere? Tearing everything down for real has to pay off.
@@tinkerer3399 Isn't The Wizard of Oz (1939) self-contained?
We all agree that our hearts sank we saw Barbara hit that car as well as Gordon's reaction to seeing his poor little girl die in his arms? That's just a real tear-jerker right there! There are so many emotions that flowed through the mind when seeing that!
The limitations from the network ended up really giving the scene more impact, just like with Robin's parents' death in Robin's Reckoning
I think that Jim does know that Bruce is Batman at this point. But he keeps it to himself, because otherwise, legally he would have to take Bruce down, and there’s no way that it wouldn’t implicate Barbara in the process. Plus,it would make him look like Batman’s accomplice after all these years. Keeping quiet protects Barbara and himself
I could see that. Especially since we saw in Holiday Knights these two have an annual tradition to meet up every New Years for conversation and coffee. They're casual enough to hang out outside of work, I think they're close enough that Gordon has probably figured it out. But he'd never admit it.
Good points. Also, I think you meant "implicate", not "implement."
Say what you want about Bane’s redesign, I really like his voice here over his original accented one. The accent is still there, but it doesn’t overshadow his performance. The line, “Thought about it. Didn’t work for me.”, is so badass, funny, and kinda intimidating
I remember seeing this episode as a kid. Seeing Batman being chased by Commissioner Gordon, Batgirl dying in front of her father, Bane’s intimidating look, and the revelation that it was a nightmare by Barbara has made this a very memorable and shocking episode for me.
I actually like that Barbara's father knows that she's Batgirl. This episode is one of my favorite episodes of The New Batman Adventures.
The episode itself doesn't really make it clear whether Jim actually knows what Babs was gonna say.
@@jp3813 It's very subtle. He doesn't outright say it, but he says enough where you can tell Jim is like: "I know you're Batgirl, I just can't publicly acknowledge it for obvious reasons and it's totally your choice."
Maybe he's senile.
This and Mad Love are the best episodes from this series. So well written, dramatic, and full of emotion.
Yep. Mad Love is the other big one I'm waiting for. It's my second favorite episode of all time across both shows
I’d add Perchance to Dream to that list as well.
@@addisonwelsh Well by series I meant the New Adventures of Batman and Robin. For the overall BTAS, it would be Heart of Ice, Baby Doll, Almost Got Him, The Trial, and Perchance to Dream as the best ones.
And Chemistry.
I remember watching this with my parents. My father loved superheroes and science fiction. I had moved out but came by occasionally. We were really riveted to our seats. For a cartoon made for teens, this was a truly dramatic episode. This was a great "imagery tale." They are both gone now, but I cherish the time we did simple thing together.
And it's obvious by spending time and choosing to watch this with you that they loved you very much. All good moments come from God above.
“It’s over Tim, Gordon feels betrayed and he was you have to leave me now give yourself up no one will blame you for what happened”
Literally get chills every time
*Tim, Gordon
I talked with my friend about this episode and when I criticized the "it was all a dream" ending he pointed out its not a cop out as it is foreshadow with the villain being Scarecrow and it does make sense. Better then Barbara just dreaming or have any other villain just knock her out normally
To be perfectly honest anytime you see Scarecrow right at the start of a Batman plot and he interacts with the main cast you should just assume the whole thing is a vision of some sort. It's actually getting a little old.
The most infuriating thing about the villains' interview scene is that, of all the bad guys who blame Batman for their problems, the one who accuses him the most of all is the Mad Hatter, the same man Batman gave him a chance to reform instead of just breaking his neck when the vigilante was dragged into a dream where Tech toyed with his personal problems. Surely Mad Hatter would not take 5 seconds to ask Batman for help if they left him in a bathroom with Rorschach
I think this represents how Barbara knows for a fact that criminals will monopolize off of Bruce's Identify and higher ambulance chasers to make a show out of it.
Well, a) It's Batgirl's dream and she probably doesn't understand the rogues as intimately as Bats does, and b) You could simply read this as Jervis being an opportunist who is using Bruce's ousting for personal gain, as talks about suing him.
@@daliborjovanovic510
Which is boilerplate behavior for narcissistic incels. And Jervis is very much a narcissistic incel.
Remember it's a hallucination. Mad Hatter agreed in the Trial episode that Batman's not to blame for his creation or the creation of any other villain in Gotham.
@@magallanesagustin4952
True. He's still an incel. Self aware, but an incel nonetheless.
This is one of my favorite episodes and it shows you just how ruthless Commissioner Gordon can be. And of course Bane said what would you expect from a killer of children.
Yeah, Gordon's a great character, he really deserves his own show...oh, wait, that's already a thing, Gotham, and there was that animated movie, Batman: Year One, too.
@@catdogmousecheeseI suggest reading his comic series it's actually pretty good as it develops him in a new way.
Ironic since it’s Nightmare Gordon who tries to kill an actual child, (Tim) whilst Barbara is an adult by this point, (and the one having the fear gas induced nightmare.)
This episode and "Heart of Ice" truly rank as two of the best chapters in B:TAS history. The heavy toll this trauma took on Barbara within the DCAU is further explored by Hilary J. Bader in Batman Beyond #13 (2000).
7:23 Can't you finish watching the video first?
@@jp3813 I did, actually. 😅 But I had already written my comment prior to the video being posted on TH-cam.
@@VALonTH-cam ...What?
For me, Over The Edge is the greatest episode of the entire TNBA run not just because it's a dream sequence but it's the perfect nightmare scenario and asks the ultimate question: what if Batman's secret idenity was exposed? It broke so many rules and delivers shocking moment after another without letting up once. The opening scene with Batman & Robin being chased down in the batcave by Jim Gordon and the police is the most dramatic opener for a Batman episode which was followed by Batgirl falling to her death at the hands of the Scarecrow, Alfred and Nightwing getting arrested, Tim running away. It had everything and more. I loved that Jim recruited Bane to take out Batman and seeing those two fight to the death is definitely up their with their iconic Knightfall battle, what would made this episode even more shocking if Jim hired The Joker instead to take down Batman, that would have been like the equivalent of selling his soul to the devil. If the DCAU ever did their take on the Elseworlds then Over The Edge would have been right at the top because it was so powerful in terms of storytelling, as far as TNBA episodes are concerned, this is my all time favourite TNBA episode. In my honest opinion, this should have been the show's finale.
It problem should've. It's by far the best episode. I think the Joker is too far for Gordon though. You can't strike a deal with Joker and Gordon knows that.
@@ZeroX7649 Yeah, Bane seemed like the right guy for this. He's not an Arkham inmate, thus not clinically insane, and he's the one guy that could believably take down Batman without putting the rest of the city in danger. He's just a mercenary at the end of the day in the DCAU.
I found the scenario thought provoking. I enjoy this and Season 1's "Perchance to Dream" which was another What If episode as well as JLU's "For The Man Who Has Everything". While some altered reality stories are happy and others are scary, I find them worthwhile to see.
This is how you do a “it was just a dream” episode. There is true character advancement for Barbara that maintains the status quo while shifting it slightly (Jim knows she’s Batgirl and respects her choice).
It also fits that Barbara’s nightmare scenario is not just her own death but that it would pit the men she loves the most against each other.
This was one of the first Batman TAS episodes I saw when I was a kid. Quite an episode to start with. I thought it was a movie at first because of how dramatic and dark it was. This whole episode could work as a movie if you know how to utilize it right.
I've gotta give credit to Batman for being so understanding at the end of the episode.
For the longest time I never saw the ending of this episode and I thought that's how BTAS ended. Great episode!
I remember this one... one of the best histories... probably from the start you know its some sort of dream, but makes you want to dig in
The most unexpected and yet amazing episode , i love the fact that you can see every villain return in the tv interviews
I've always liked these "what if" episodes in shows.
Every episode of bat-may is a knife to the heart, a reminder that Kevin Conroy is actually gone. The good always die young and the horrible live to a 100 years. It’s not fair that Batman, the DEFINITIVE Batman, OUR Batman was taken so soon and he will be terribly missed.
There was an episode in Young Justice that does the same twist as this episode. Admittedly, the episode itself was kinda weak, but they made up for it by exploring the end result of the event better. The very next episode, everyone exposed to the dark endgame is receiving counseling for the trauma they went through, and you get some really good insight into their characters from how they interact with Dinah (the counselor).
*Over the Edge* has always been one of my favorite Batman TAS episodes, simply for daring to ask the hard question of what would happen if a member of the Bat-Family died, and what if Bruce's "safe-space" inside the Bat-Cave was compromised and he was forced to flee, his secret revealed.
The whole "it was only a dream" plot is generally seen as a lazy tool in a writer's toolbox, but I think they used it well, here.
It's only a lazy tool if you use it to resolve everything when you can't come up with a better resolution.
But if you trying use it for something like this episode here then it's good, especially when you have a villain whose whole gimmick is spreading fear.
This episode has me at the edge of my seat! Loved the ending! Barbara is such a gold daughter!😊😊❤❤
The opening of the episode made me think, "WTF is going on here!? Why is Commissioner Gordon chasing BATMAN, Robin and Nightwing? Did the Dark Knight do something horrible to someone he cares about?"
Love this episode and the darker Batman animated episodes in general. Pretty shocking on the first watch when batgirl hits the car on her way down
Damn, that scene inside the car when she hits… My college roomie and I about gasped at how graphic that was when it first aired, stunning that they got that green lit but made for such a powerful shot!
As someone that have watched this episode lot of times, I can still feel and love the plot twist. Without a doubt the best episode of this era of the series. Scarecrow is frightening as he never did again.
The episode just nailed everything right. Only exception are some of the characters redesigns…
This was the first episode I saw from the new batman animated series. As a kid, this whole episode blew me away and I was hooked
Jim Gordon is too smart of a cop to not know who the identities of the Bat family. He just doesn't acknowledge it because of plausible deniability. If he ever gets questioned in court, he can't lie about what he doesn't know. But i love that he says he loves all of them. He sees Batman as a kindred spirit and surrogate son.
Tomorrow will be the episode 'mean seasons ' with Sela ward voicing the villan. I would also like ro to point out that the episode is calling out how the modelling industry only uses women under 30 to advertise certain products. Sela did a documentary about this as well.
I remember the first time I saw this episode when I was a kid. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. Seeing Batman being hunted by Gordon was insane. My little brain couldn't comprehend Batman was the bad guy
If I have to pick a finale episode from the entire TAS except Return of the Joker, this is it.
Of course
One of the big things is Barbara isn't scared of dying per se, she's afraid of what it'd do to everyone around her.
Amazing episode! I love The way Bane was used here. I like the idea that Gordon wanted Batman to be outmatched by someone who had the same strength and mind power. I also liked how Gordon said that he wanted him alive and how he wanted a certain form of poetic justice. “I want him to rot in Arkham surrounded by the monsters he created.” That is very powerful. There are a lot of great moments in this episode. It is easily one of my favorites. I’m also very eager to hear you discuss Legends of the Dark Knight. That’s also very high on my list!
This episode showed that Gordon lost it with one bad day
Honestly I love that final scene with Barbara and Jim, it shows how Matt he really is and how much he loves his daughter
Matt?
@@erika_fuzzbottom smart, stupid autocorrect
My first ever memory of Batman is seeing a ad on Cartoon Network, or maybe the WB showing Batman, trying to escape on the motor boat, which episode will always have a special place in my heart for being the first Batman thing I ever saw
It’s an all time classic. Even if Scarecrow’s involvement makes the twist incredibly obvious.
Yeah, I wish they would’ve foreshadowed Scarecrow’s involvement without making it obvious it was him, that way the twist would’ve really landed but without it seeming like it came out of nowhere, too.
This is one of the best episodes of not just this show, but in all of animation in my humble opinion.
A major clue of this being a dream is when we see Arnold with Scarface against; despite killing him in "Double Talk"
Also strange that they got Jeff Bennett to voice Scarecrow but his voice and laughter sounds terrifying good
Before the reveal, viewers would probably guess that Arnold relapsed in the interim. Plus, Barbara likely understood that Arnold could relapse at any time despite his reform.
As for why they didn't have Jeffrey Combs provide Scarecrow's vocals, well, it's likely because Crane doesn't actually speak in the dream/flashback, and it would've been expensive to bring back Combs for a glorified cameo where Crane only grunts and sadistically laughs at Batman's expense.
I remember watching this episode as a kid, the eyes fixed on the TV as I was seeing the entire universe I knew and loved implosing on itself until the final twist. Easy twist but so much relief was felt
10/10, 5 Stars, A+ You name the high marks, and that's what this gets. The breakneck pacing is one thing, but to see the tactics on display is something too. Batman's fight with Bane is a series best, and I love how he uses his cape to collect debris and smash this giant dude with more powerful hits. They both agree this is to the death, now! Gordon uses Barbara's casket precession to draw Batman out, and that's very The Dark Knight-esque! The way Nightwing was overwhelmed made the odds seem impossible. It's amazing how effective the GCPD can actually be when they apply themselves, lol. This might be the greatest "It was all a dream" episode I've ever watched, because it's not simply a copout. It's rooted in not only Barbara's fear, but Batman's too in a way (it not being his nightmare was a surprise to me), and the viewers' as well, since I had no idea how they were going to get out of this. We basically watched Batman's greatest defeat come to life. Over the Edge is this series at its finest.
For some reason, I find Batman catching the rubble in his cape and beating Bane with it highly amusing 😂
With Mad Hatter I remember being surprised the first time I saw him in the Animated Series by how tall they made him. When I first saw him in the comics I remember him being much shorter but I guess that's something they took inspiration for from the imposter Mad Hatter form the comics, who was taller and had a big moustache. I'm a 2000's kid so I wan't very familiar with the other Mad Hatter back when I started reading comics. I always figured that his redesign for TNBA was them making him more accurate to the comic version.
This is the The New Batman Adventures episode that many consider inspirer half the plot of Arkham Knight.
The first time I watched "Over the Edge" as a kid, I couldn't look away. I couldn't believe they did that. It was heart-wrenching and -racing all over the place. It also made me feel Scarecrow was truly a big threat for a long time.
But I still look back on this one as a favorite to refer friends to. It's all the drama, heart, and thrill of BTAS in my opinion.
Easily one of the best episodes of this new season! It really hits home how much can change with one person's actions! Definitely a great episode and a classic!
Bane: Please, give your dear Barbara a kiss from me.
Inside Barbara's head or not, that line from Bane to Gordon was pure evil.
I'm surprised you did make a connection to this and the Batman Beyond episode Eyewitness. There Barbara Gordon now a police commissioner "witnesses" Batman murder someone. As a fellow youtuber pointed out, she turned her greatest fear into a reality by turning the police against Batman.
And seriously why can't the Gotham PD put this much effort into catching the real criminals?
Been waiting for this one. It’s one of the first that ever springs to my mind when I reminisce about how damn cool the overall Batman The Animated Series is.
This is my favorite batman episode of all time. It bushes all the limits of batman and the bat-family to the highest point. Commissioner Gordon shows his darkest side. Blinded by revenge to Barbara's death, he teamed up with Bane. Bane here is not a guy only with muscles,but also with brain. Then end made me happy to see that all what happened is nothing but a nightmare made by Scarecow's fear toxin.
I think Walter should give us his top 11 episodes after this year since the whole show will get covered at this point
This is the episode i BEEN WAITING FOR ❤❤❤❤❤ THE WHOLE SIEGE ON THE BAT CAVE BEGINNING PORTION OF THE EPISODE IS JUST AMAZING
Gordon's voice on the phone: "Barbara wrote in her computer all about you. Your days as a murderous vigilante are over!"
Tim Drake: "What are we going to do, Bruce?! Gordon knows who we are now. WE ARE DEAD!!!"
Bruce: "Relax, Tim. Gordon's been a friend of mine for years. I'm sure I can talk some sense into..."
Gordon's voice on the phone: "By the way, I also read in the computer about a certain "encounter" you and Barbara had under a gargoyle..."
Bruce: "Bring the suicide pills, Alfred."
I have always felt that Commissioner Gordon knew who Batman, Batgirl, Nightwing, and Robin were the entire time; even from before the first episode of the first series. As you said, the man isn't stupid. Just supportive. So much so that his knowing makes no difference.
The best of TNBA and one of the best episodes of the show. Bob's performance is one of the best performances of the show. Such a masterfully made and executed story.
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This being all In Barbara’s head after getting hit with Scarecrow’s fear toxin makes all the tension that occurred episode all makes sense, having worst fears come to reality.
Plus that event would give her ptsd in the comics not even kidding
This was the darkest episode of the Batman animated series!
Upon its episodic debut in May 23, 1998 at Kids WB, I knew I was going for one hell of a ride. *Yes...25 years ago!* 😱
This was not just another Batman episode; its a complete visual showcase reminding other animation studios at the time the sheer dominance of Warner Bros Animation and the influences gained by 3rd Party animation studios of Japan; mainly Sunrise and TMS.
It is clear that CG and Cell Animation as one are the future for tv animation if processed correctly.
What caught me off guard was not just that it felt like a causal TAS episode, but how THIS episode felt *cinematic.*
Perhaps, this might have well have been the swan song of the entire series. Great Episode. 👍👍
The best Bane design in my opinion is from Arkham Origins. Before he becomes a hulking monster.
This is probably my favorite TNBA episode, I think the WHAT IF scenario is really cool
I remember being truly shocked as I watched the episode unfold. You really felt like it was real and that it was going to be a massive game changer for the show's status quo as well as a major departure from what we had seen in other Batman works. It was harrowing yet also refreshing that the show would change things up that drastically by having Batman's identity exposed to the world and being hunted by Gordon and the Gotham Police. But then it's revealed to be a dream, so it did feel somewhat like a cop-out for not actually going that far, though part of you was relieved.
For me the top 3 TNBA episodes are:
1. Mad Love
2. Over the Edge
3. Legends of the Dark Knight
Over the Edge would be one if it wasn’t for the dream. It’s not a big deal though it is a cop out. Still one of the best
I personally prefer Over the Edge more than Mad Love, especially the animation style of the former.
i think the episode would have beeing better if it was batman or robin who die insted of batgirl, because if she was expose to cranes toxins wouldn't make more sense if this episode was focus on batgirls point of view insted of batmans? and at least the "it was all a dream" end would't felt out of place because even for the audice to see batman dieying is too much, kinda like they did with the man who killed batman
One of my favorite episodes truly a work of art been waiting for this one
Also, the funny thing about Gordon learning Batman's identity is that, in the comics, he implicitly knows but keeps it to himself. Like when the Dark Knight removes his cowl as a sign of trust during the lowest point of No Man's Land, his partner refuses to look.
Such a fantastic story that raises some interesting, to me, questions about Barbara's psyche. Scarecrow's gas caused her to see her worst fear and Bane is the adversary her father freed to destroy Batman. Does that mean she's more afraid of Bane than all the other villains? Also she sees her dad go into an absolute rage and bring the GCPD down on The Bat Family. Her visions of how Gordon would handle this situation are very violent. I mean, he has a tank.
One on one, Bane is probably the most powerful villain in the series. That's probably why she fears him the most. He's the one most likely to kill Batman.
@@prussianpolydactyl836 Good point, he is more dangerous than Croc or Mr. Freeze in a 1-1 fight.
Jim already knows Bruce is Batman
Batman's apparent willingness to use lethal force on Bane, the loss of his "family" and what he views as his betrayal of Gordon has shattered his moral code as he has nothing left to lose; he implies as much to Bane.
Henry Silva also voiced one of the Thanagarian soldiers who after imprisoning the League he commented on Batman saying "broken"
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the parallel between this episode and wwe over the edge ppv when owen died is crazy😮
I have to agree, Nigma and Tetch's BtAS designs were so good, it would have been nice to keep those looks, just angled up and simpled down a bit. Now Tetch looks like a cereal mascot and... well... Riddler really does pull off a suit better than a leotard.
Finally he’s cover this episode 😢. Been waiting three years for this. Over the Edge is such an amazing episode. It well written, well directed and well acted
I remember seeing this one on TV when I was almost 10(I just checked the premiere date). My sisters were watching it with me and at 8 and 7 we were shocked and confused for the whole episode. We couldn’t believe what was happening and we were too young to even think about the plot twist so when it came we were so relieved. I didn’t like it then, but looking back, I didn’t like it because it was so good and it made me feel emotions I did not find pleasant at the time. I was genuinely worried about every character and thought Batgirl was dead.
Agree with you! This episode was among the greatest of the new era! This Bat-May has rocked so much!
Still some awesome episodes to wait for. 😀 Mean Seasons is tomorrow.
@@VALonTH-cam yessir!
I freakin loved this episodes...maybe my second favorite after "Almost got I'm"
From the beginning to the heartwarming last scene it is perfect.
Sure the Dream Twist is not the most original in movie history but the conclusion that followed made it perfect. I think without this small epilog at the end, the twist would be half as good and some kind of lame.
But this ending nailed it.
Favorite episode of NBTAS. Maybe my favorite from the whole series. It is so so clever, dark & emotional… It has everything: the direction, the acting, the plot. And I know it’s an unpopular opinion but I’ve always loved the new designs, even Joker’s. So yeah, this episode is almost perfect and it’s a real must watch.
To quote the nostalgia critic: and the award for best WTF opening scene is.....THAT!!!
I remember the first time my brother and I watched this episode, we were asking "how are they going to fix this?!" Then, about half-way through, one of us - I don't remember which - suddenly remembered they were fighting Scarecrow at the beginning, and we both realized it was a dream; and we were SO relieved, 'cause we were freaking out a bit. XD
I've been waiting for this. It's one of the best.
I personally always liked the theory that Gordon suspected Bruce Wayne was Batman, but deliberately never investigated it too deeply. Like he had all the clues at one point and suspected where they would lead, but never really tried to know for sure, thus never leaving a trail for others to possibly follow when he was gone or retired.
FINALLY! THE BEST EPISODE!
Henry Silva’s performance as Bane in this episode really stuck out to me here. Some of his line deliveries are just so memorable and chilling, like when Bane betrays Jim, and he says “Thought about it. Didn’t work for me.” Something about the calmness and bluntness of that quote just makes me feel strange. Henry Silva was an amazing actor.
My absolute favorite episode, with an ending that cemented both Jim and Barbara Gordon as two of my favorite characters.
I remember watching this when it first aired on TV. I was so relieved that it was a "dream sequence"
3:18 "How could you? I worked with you, trusted you... *and you never told me??* ..... She was my daughter... My daughter!"
😢Those lines still cut like a knife.
Kind of dulled by the fact that Nightmare Gordon and the Goon Squad try to murder Tim an actual child.
I'm glad Gordon knows about his daughter but doesn't say it. Without saying it, it's left for us to assume while leaving room to say he didn't know.
And if he knows about Batgirl, he knows who Batman is. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if he figured it out long ago and through knowing that realized his daughter was Batgirl.
Probably my number one favorite TNBA episode of all time! I even had a dream about it once, but Batman was a hybrid Affleck-Bale, Drake was older, maybe fifteen or sixteen-ish, and Babs was first Avengers movie era Scarlett Johanssen for some reason.
I will never forgot when I saw this episode for the first time after buying the BTAS Vol 4 DVDs and I was shocked how this episode started and went. One of my favorite episode in all of BTAS. I mean seeing that car hit is always just as brutal as the first time I watched.
By far, this is definitely in my top 5 favorite BTAS episodes. Scarecrow, in his most terrifying form, actually succeeds in killing a member of the Bat Family. And he's laughing because he knows this is Batman's greatest fear (losing anyone in his family) and it will ultimately be what destroys him. And he was right. Batman gives up his no-killing rule because he feels he has nothing left to lose and he proceeds to not only almost beat Bane to death with a cape full of rubble, but actually causes Bane's death by wrapping his Venom tubes around the Bat Signal's electrical circuitry.
We never see shows today go this dark after setting up such established characters. Changing one aspect about them would ultimately be the downfall of them all. I do feel some comfort knowing that, as mentioned in Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker, they do eventually tell Gordon their secret, and he promises to keep their secret safe.