Want to know the best crops for your specific crop/crafter layout with processing times taken into account? Well, I just released a video about that with my next generation spreadsheet. Check it out here: th-cam.com/video/cYBfyRivS8Q/w-d-xo.html
So here's something interesting I've discovered. When using Preserves Jars, you can get just as much income per day from _carrots_ as you do from apples or blueberries. Each machine generates a bit over 2700 gold per day. And carrots grow super fast, unlike apples or blueberries. The only downside to mass production of pickled carrots is that you'd need to log in twice a day to reload the preservers.
It’s interesting you bring up carrots because I was looking into production times (and I’m not super confident in my calculations for this) but it looks like seeded carrots make the most money per hour if you’re looking for speed. It’s so amazing how much depth gardening has!!! Thanks for the amazing conversations man!
When Palia first came out everyone was hyping up tomatoes as the best crop to grow and then they got a HUGE nerf. The funny thing is that potatoes had the same amount of profit as tomatoes, requiring a bit more work but didn't get nerfed and now Bok Choy is blowing that out of the water. This is the best time to level up your farming skill and the best time to earn money from farming. You're going to need to invest in quite a lot of seeders though since the seeding process is over 1 hour. I'm sure this will change with the next update so you're going to want to plant these as fast as possible before it's gone. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this new best crop in Palia and what you think about my best layout!
wow, that was so well explained. I've seen some of those profit sheets before and i was always lost because i couldn't interpret the results, and here you go, even making color coded charts that make things 10 times easier 😅 Thanks for the explanation and the numbers and the layouts, you're a math wizard!
Thank you so much! I understand what you mean because I even got lost in my first version of the sheet hahaha! But the coloring definitely helps me to see the differences without needing to look too hard.
I had never really thought to break profit down by the number of tiles a crop takes and the number of days in the harvest cycle, but it makes so much sense. It changes the outlook from raw numbers to adjusted figures and who'd have ever expected bok choy to be the winner?
Great breakdown! I watched another video and tomatoes seemed to be the golden child so I was about to redo my entire garden for that. Going to give this a try! Good to know about not selling straight produce!
Gardening is soo complicated when it comes to the most optimal layout. There is time, space, seeds per harvest etc. If I was good at excel I would definitely make a file dedicated to that xD I'm tempted.
This video is just the basics. If you are interested in some crazy math I actually did account for everything in the newest video. You can get the link to the spreadsheet and video here: th-cam.com/video/cYBfyRivS8Q/w-d-xo.html
Thank you so very much! While I totally glossed over the numbers, this breaks it down easily and I am glad you broke down the apple tree per tile cost!
Good explanation. Got to the point in Palia that I don't know what to use the money for. I play at most an hour a day and generally make 20,000 in that hour (mostly through glow worm farm and regular farming). I sit constantly near the gold cap (300,000). I already have: a huge house (15+ rooms), 4 plots, all writs, focus bonus 100%, max relationship with all characters, farming over level 30, level 10+ in all skills.
Thank you so much for posting this! I’ve only been playing a week but can’t seem to make money (dislike hunting & bad at fishing…). Sure there’s a lot of initial expenses, but my gardening hasn’t been turning the profit I might have expected. I can’t quite get me head around why selling seeds is better than crops but your numbers don’t lie! Rice, wheat& bok choi here I come!
I had been doing bok choy for a bit but it got boring and idk how much gold i was making, I have watched a few videos and guides and i use the plot planner tool. However I think I am going to try a layout with 5 apple trees (1 in each corner and 1 in middle) then rest all bok choy. Then while I wait for apples I can harvest multiple rounds of bok choy. Then toss everything into seed makers and profit. Sell the Apple Jam as I get it. each tree harvest is 24 apples, so almost enough for a 30 stack per tree. hundreds of apples quickly. all star quality since i am at 27 gardening. the added benefit of bok choy is that it is a weed blocker also. so really to be most efficient i probably want to stock up on water retention fertilizer i think. Because I dont always play every day or long hours in 1 session this strategy is good but it really shines when can micromanage it more. the apple trees with harvest boost give you more bok choy also. Im at 27 gardening, I have a long ways to go for leveling it up a bit, so its another reason i wanted a fast good crop to grow so i can harvest and rake in the xp faster. the apple trees give massive xp gains on harvest but they take forever for each harvest, so the bok choy keeps the xp party going. For awhile I was planting massive amounts of nappa cabbage and that worked well, and then pickled those for cheap fast focus or selling them. They grow just as fast as bok choy. I have experiemented with mix of both or 60/40 split. just keeping the gardening xp going till i reached 25, but i'm a completionist and I want more levels, even if dont get any benefit past 25, its still good for the medals, and weekly quests. Really what this game desperately needs is an auto watering system like sprinklers. even if had to give up a spot or 2 in plot to keep whatever crop we wanted watered. although the appeal of gardening in palia is how diverse and varied combinations, so if took out watering i guess maybe would lose a bit of complexity. Or also need a wheelbarrow of fertilizer like 1 click for 4-6 spots at a time, or even load it up and then just run down your lanes to fertlize everything. this tossing 1 by 1 by 1 gets very tedius. I also wish it would give us timers above each plant or better indication on how much time got left. i swear sometimes my crops look like going to be ready the next 6am ding and need another round. It would be cool to have a little status window or menu showing timers or even a message on the side that says hey you have crops to attend to. something. And of course main thing is, more plots. i'd love to have multiple 9x9 plots. 1 just for trees. 1 just for slow growers etc. but then that would be to op, as gold totals would be so insane would need a ton of stuff in the game to buy or spend gold on. Lots of people sitting on more gold could ever need with everything all bought. need something to gamble our gold or invest it into something so gold has value again once you at that top with nothing else to do. maybe let us use gold for focus increase.
It definitely is, I wasn't going to bother even checking on the festival seeds because of all the decorations I'd rather spend my tickets on. Now I'm going straight to buy some bok choy @@Aqajj
You might want to take another look because Bok Choy makes 4 seeds per crop. You could be confusing it with the Napa Cabbage that produces 6 seeds per crop. And I appreciate the kind words!
Def good to consider! I personally have been taking the easy route by using Potato and Tomato because they retain water the whole time so its fairly hands off asides replanting potatoes. Def gonna try this out though as now that I have the fine watering can and watering isnt existential pain, I could water plants without it taking a small chunk of time that adds up.
Yeah, this setup will take a bit of time to water if you don't have the later tier watering cans. But once you get them, you will be earning a ton of money! Thanks for watching the video!
Fantastic video! Thank you for all the work that went into this. I love the colour coding as it really helps me to visualise the data. Besides that, your explanation was clear and straightforward to understand.
You’re very welcome! Palia is a nice game with the ability to go all in on maximizing everything or the option to lay back and take things at your own pace!
holy!! im going on my 2nd week into Palia and this chart and numbers makes my head hurt, but then again this looks like something i would end up making myself lols
Wish they had trading in Palia or that you can mail ithems to each other, I mean in final fantasy amd minecraft you can trade and give ithems so easy, would be nice if palia had it to.
Tomatos even if nerf from 2 to 3 per seed conversion the prjce is still high. Though i was thinking center plot apples and add tomatos and the ceop to boost harvest which would yield more just takes a bit longer Or maybe put rapid growth.
Interesting stuff! Are you able to keep up with seed production though? The gold per hour listed is actually "potential" and is limited by how many seeds per hour you can make in your seeders. If you are making 165 bok choy every 3 days you'd need 66 seeders to keep up and make the profit listed in a sustainable manner. Plus seeders for replanting the rice and wheat.
This is a really good question! Yes, this and every layout is "potential" profit based on how you play the game but let's dive into the philosophy of this layout. The limiting factor in the game right now is the number of plots you can own (I'm not sure if there is a limit to crafters yet). Since that is the limiting factor that is what I am maximizing. Now yes, if you played Palia 24/7 with no sleeping and no life responsibilities getting in the way sure, there is a very slim chance you'd be able to keep up with this layout's earnings. But you have to think that seeders work for a long time even when you're not playing. So, if we are able to plant the best crop and even if it grows really fast sure it might just be stored in our chest for a long time but eventually we will get the payout of the 5,500 with almost no time put into the game. The 5,500 can technically be classified as "per hour grown" instead of a constant per hour because yes the seeds take a long time to process. But think about this like investments. If we work really hard for 6 hours to grow and harvest a bunch of crops, sure you wont immediately see 11,000 in your inventory, but with minimal work over the next day, you will. Meanwhile someone focusing on maximizing per process time is maybe making 13,000 but they have to put way more time into the game to keep the process going. Let me know if you've still got questions, this is how we improve!
Okay, and I forgot about the "can I keep up with the production" question for me. I currently have about 20 seeders and with the extra offline time yes, I have been keeping up pretty well making about 100,000 the past week.
@@Aqajj I was only seeing about 1560 gold per day. Selling preserves might take a few days but I made far more money in the long run. I don't have specific numbers but it was a significant difference. Apple trees may take more space but it seems that their yield over their time to harvest ends up with a more profitable crop - and it's a lot more "hands off" as well. Not saying the bok choy seed idea is bad, I just wasn't seeing much income for the work.
Awesome Video, nice work! Do you just replant as soon as there in space? Or wait until all the crops are done? As i am usually left with the Wheat left over.
Hi! I'm a little confused about the adjusted profit and how that works. I want to make sure im selling the best crops I can but I'm worried that bok choy might be better off preserving it rather than making seeds. Yet, you say the opposite? I'm just curious! IT was really interesting to watch!
The “Adjusted Profit” section of the chart is just to compare profits between different crops with different sized tiles. It doesn’t affect the seed vs preserve comparison for each crop. I’d love to hear your thoughts on why you think the preserves are better for Bok choy.
Mostly because i misunderstood the adjusted profit and also because in straight sell value preserves sell at a greater profit compared to crops. However, I suppose the benefit of selling bok choy as seeds is due to the 1 for 4 ratio. Which would mean one crop would sell for 22x4? At least that's my reasoning lol
The only issue with running SO much bok choy is the seeders take a while, which means you'd have to be running A LOT of seeders to keep up with the fast harvest time. This isn't viable for someone in early game unfortunately, but it's an absolutely broken money maker once you get to a point where you can keep up with it.
While I agree that someone in the early game will have a hard time running this setup optimally, even selling the extra bok choy as regular crops nets you some of the highest gold rates in gardening. So even if someone new doesn’t have many crafters they can still make a ton of money. Video with the data comes out this Sunday June 9th!
can you make one that's good for cooking parties as i mainly do those so i need apples and blueberries included!! I'd love to see one made for those that focus on less effort rather than money making benefits, i don't have time to regularly water and weed so water retention and weed block or something like that would be good too! Please and thank you x
Do you happen to have a link to the spreadsheet? I was building my own but yours has the math done already and I really like the colour coding you did to make it readable.
for me the issue with doing only bok choy is the loss of water retain, i am not watering my crops every day no thank you! im doing a combo of potatoes and bok choy.
Yeah, I have the exquisite watering can and even then you only have to water every two hours. So it doesn’t take up much time for me. But potatoes are still good money and help with water so it’s all good!
Question: I have hundreds of harvest boost fertilizers from glow worm farming + over 100 starred bok choy seeds (been growing and putting into the seed maker). Would having all bok choy + fertilizer be the most profitable? Thank you for providing such an informative video!
I haven't completed any research into whether or not there is a layout which produces more profit by using the harvest boost fertilizer however if you have a ton of extra harvest boost fertilizer and want to start by just farming bok choy in all 81 slots, that would generate more revenue until you run out of fertilizer. Also I believe it would take 243 fertilizer per harvest cycle to get a 100% success rate of the harvest boost on the bok choy.
@@Aqajj Reporting back. I planted Star Bok Choy seeds on all tiles + enough Harvest Boost Fertilizer to get through all the days (they all still had fertilizer left when I harvested). I ended up harvesting 243 star Bok Choys + 7 star Bok Choy seeds. The Bok Choys alone totaled 10,935
So you have it set up as a 9x9 tile (3x3 soil patch) layout. Being that you aren't set up with a rice middle/bc or potato surround, would it possibly work better as a 4x5 soil layout given the positioning of the tiles? Also, are your profit numbers at the end going by just raw output, or output post seed maker/preserve jar output? If so, how many jars/makers do you have churning things out after the fact?
I'm a little confused by the first part. If you were to create it on the garden planner and tag me with it in the palia discord I'd take a look at it. As for your second part, these numbers are profit after putting it in the seed maker not taking into account how long it take to process as it depends on how often you play. When I was running this back in february I had about 18-20 seed makes and playing 3-5 hours a day was a really good pace to keep up with the output. Let me know if this answered your questions or let me know if you need any other explaining. Thanks for watching and leaving your thoughts, I have a new spreadsheet coming out eventually that goes way more in depth on this topic.
@@Aqajj As in you have 3 by 3 plots. What if you rearranged them into a different shape instead of a 3x3 big square and instead went into two rows of 4 plots and 5 plots respectively. Would that allow for better combinations? I don't understand the match as well as you all do, so was more wondering why the 3x3 works better than the 2 rows of 4 and 5 plots.
Some crops get turned into preserves while still seeding a few of those for replanting. The ones that sell better as seeds all get turned into seeds and you can sell the excess that you didn’t replant. And yes, the seed selling amounts get confusing since it’s not 1 to 1.
For how to sell every type of crop I recommend looking at the colorful chart in the video. Darker Green means better but for the crops in this layout, everything goes in the seeders.
I believe you get one now when you reach level 10 but you can always buy more from the gardening guild store by speaking with Badruu and spending some skill medals.
Since the rice, potatoes, and wheat all take different amount of days to harvest, should they stay in the ground until all crops have grown to keep the bonuses? Or harvest them as they pop out of the ground? Or rotate new seeds as soon as the crops are ready to harvest?
What I do is as soon as the crop is ready to harvest I grab it and put down the exact same seed type in its place. That way the profit per day is always at its maximum rate. Good question!
Yes, so rice and wheat are only sold as seeds so that is the best option for them. To replant the layout you need 55 Bok choy, 14 rice, and 12 wheat seeds. :)
one thing i think that could affect your profits are the use of worm bins. I'm not super clear on the numbers, but i reckon a few of the preserves would be worth more than seeds if you have enough worm bins. I don't know if bok choy would be better as a preserve once processed with worm bins.
Thanks for the info! I haven’t done much research into how much profit the work bins can make but this definitely makes me want to test it out and see if there is an improvement! If I find anything useful I’ll see about making a video for it.
Processing preserves through worm bins generates more funds at the end, but at the cost of additional time, which reduces your overall profits in the end. For instance, starred apple jam yields 144 gold in 76 minutes (1.895 gold per minute), and while running it through the glow worm farm yields 155 gold between the worms and the fertilizer, it takes 136 total minutes, reducing your income to 1.14 gold per minute. So, would you rather earn 1.90 gold per minute, or 1.14? Seems like an easy answer.
Depends on your level if you’d want to put quality up fertilizer on them. If you want to do weed prevention or water retain for easier farming that’s another option. However it will lower your profits. Up to you, I personally don’t really use fertilizer.
You will be gifted a seed once you reach level 10 in gardening and you can buy more for medals at the guild shop. Then it uses a 3x3 area and you can seed 10 apples for 1 more seed to replant.
The only things changed with gardening were the apples/blueberries and the worm farms so this should still be good! I’ll be using it again on stream in a week now that the gold cap has been raised.
Once you plant it once, just harvest each crop type 1 by 1 and you don’t have to remember anything. I might make a video going over planting the layout if you’re interested.
Ok, so after some quick data crunching, it looks like if you were to plant 73 Bok choy and 8 potatoes you could increase profits by 0.6%. But you must pickle the potatoes before going into the glow worm farm. This would be sustainable however I think it would stop working if you harvest the layout too quickly. Not sure it’s exactly worth it for all of the extra effort though.
It wasn't originally built on a shareable account. I have since moved it and you can access it here: aqajj.net/palia-notes and this video's data is under Feb24 Farming Data. Thanks for reminding me about it!
Yes, if you refer to the colorful chart you’ll see that the best method of selling these crops if by seed. Also, here is the planner: palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-BkRWBkBkBkRBkBk-BkBkBkBkRBkBkWBk-WRBkBkBkBkBkBkR-WBkRBkBkWBkBkR-BkBkBkBkBkBkBkRBk-RBkWWBkBkRBkBk-RBkBkWBkBkBkBkR-BkWBkBkBkBkWBkW-BkBkRBkBkWRBkBk Holy Moly it’s a long link 😂😂
I encourage you to put a star quality Bok choy in a seeder and see what the value of all the items that come out after 1.2 hours. I think you will learn a lot!
I don’t really use fertilizer too much to know a lot about how it works in terms of results but if I was going to choose one I would choose the quality boost (QualityUp I think it’s called) to increase your chance of getting quality crops until you reach level 25. Or if you really don’t like the small amount of upkeep required you can go for the water retain/weed prevention ones.
There is a chapter going over the best layout about 2/3 of the way into the video. Everything is discussed and the layout is clearly shown. Maybe give it another watch. You’re welcome!
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Want to know the best crops for your specific crop/crafter layout with processing times taken into account? Well, I just released a video about that with my next generation spreadsheet. Check it out here: th-cam.com/video/cYBfyRivS8Q/w-d-xo.html
So here's something interesting I've discovered. When using Preserves Jars, you can get just as much income per day from _carrots_ as you do from apples or blueberries. Each machine generates a bit over 2700 gold per day. And carrots grow super fast, unlike apples or blueberries.
The only downside to mass production of pickled carrots is that you'd need to log in twice a day to reload the preservers.
It’s interesting you bring up carrots because I was looking into production times (and I’m not super confident in my calculations for this) but it looks like seeded carrots make the most money per hour if you’re looking for speed. It’s so amazing how much depth gardening has!!! Thanks for the amazing conversations man!
When Palia first came out everyone was hyping up tomatoes as the best crop to grow and then they got a HUGE nerf. The funny thing is that potatoes had the same amount of profit as tomatoes, requiring a bit more work but didn't get nerfed and now Bok Choy is blowing that out of the water. This is the best time to level up your farming skill and the best time to earn money from farming. You're going to need to invest in quite a lot of seeders though since the seeding process is over 1 hour. I'm sure this will change with the next update so you're going to want to plant these as fast as possible before it's gone.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on this new best crop in Palia and what you think about my best layout!
what do you mean by "nerfed"?
Nerfed is when something is made worse. So in this case they could reduce how much the crops sell for resulting in a "nerf".
@@Aqajjgotcha, thanks!
wow, that was so well explained. I've seen some of those profit sheets before and i was always lost because i couldn't interpret the results, and here you go, even making color coded charts that make things 10 times easier 😅 Thanks for the explanation and the numbers and the layouts, you're a math wizard!
Thank you so much! I understand what you mean because I even got lost in my first version of the sheet hahaha! But the coloring definitely helps me to see the differences without needing to look too hard.
I am living for this statistical, scientific breakdown. How do you not have more subscribers?! Keep up with the Palia content, please! Subscribed!
Thank you for the kind words and I’m glad you enjoyed it! I will definitely keep making Palia videos!
I had never really thought to break profit down by the number of tiles a crop takes and the number of days in the harvest cycle, but it makes so much sense. It changes the outlook from raw numbers to adjusted figures and who'd have ever expected bok choy to be the winner?
Great breakdown! I watched another video and tomatoes seemed to be the golden child so I was about to redo my entire garden for that. Going to give this a try! Good to know about not selling straight produce!
Gardening is soo complicated when it comes to the most optimal layout. There is time, space, seeds per harvest etc.
If I was good at excel I would definitely make a file dedicated to that xD
I'm tempted.
This video is just the basics. If you are interested in some crazy math I actually did account for everything in the newest video. You can get the link to the spreadsheet and video here: th-cam.com/video/cYBfyRivS8Q/w-d-xo.html
Thank you so very much! While I totally glossed over the numbers, this breaks it down easily and I am glad you broke down the apple tree per tile cost!
Would be nice to see the layout in game too!
Good explanation.
Got to the point in Palia that I don't know what to use the money for.
I play at most an hour a day and generally make 20,000 in that hour (mostly through glow worm farm and regular farming). I sit constantly near the gold cap (300,000).
I already have: a huge house (15+ rooms), 4 plots, all writs, focus bonus 100%, max relationship with all characters, farming over level 30, level 10+ in all skills.
OMG Palia videos have taken over my YT subs and now i find you too lol. I subbed
Hahah Me Too! Thanks for watching the video and subscribing!!
Thank you so much for posting this! I’ve only been playing a week but can’t seem to make money (dislike hunting & bad at fishing…). Sure there’s a lot of initial expenses, but my gardening hasn’t been turning the profit I might have expected. I can’t quite get me head around why selling seeds is better than crops but your numbers don’t lie! Rice, wheat& bok choi here I come!
I had been doing bok choy for a bit but it got boring and idk how much gold i was making, I have watched a few videos and guides and i use the plot planner tool. However I think I am going to try a layout with 5 apple trees (1 in each corner and 1 in middle) then rest all bok choy. Then while I wait for apples I can harvest multiple rounds of bok choy. Then toss everything into seed makers and profit.
Sell the Apple Jam as I get it. each tree harvest is 24 apples, so almost enough for a 30 stack per tree. hundreds of apples quickly. all star quality since i am at 27 gardening. the added benefit of bok choy is that it is a weed blocker also. so really to be most efficient i probably want to stock up on water retention fertilizer i think. Because I dont always play every day or long hours in 1 session this strategy is good but it really shines when can micromanage it more.
the apple trees with harvest boost give you more bok choy also. Im at 27 gardening, I have a long ways to go for leveling it up a bit, so its another reason i wanted a fast good crop to grow so i can harvest and rake in the xp faster. the apple trees give massive xp gains on harvest but they take forever for each harvest, so the bok choy keeps the xp party going.
For awhile I was planting massive amounts of nappa cabbage and that worked well, and then pickled those for cheap fast focus or selling them. They grow just as fast as bok choy. I have experiemented with mix of both or 60/40 split. just keeping the gardening xp going till i reached 25, but i'm a completionist and I want more levels, even if dont get any benefit past 25, its still good for the medals, and weekly quests.
Really what this game desperately needs is an auto watering system like sprinklers. even if had to give up a spot or 2 in plot to keep whatever crop we wanted watered. although the appeal of gardening in palia is how diverse and varied combinations, so if took out watering i guess maybe would lose a bit of complexity.
Or also need a wheelbarrow of fertilizer like 1 click for 4-6 spots at a time, or even load it up and then just run down your lanes to fertlize everything. this tossing 1 by 1 by 1 gets very tedius.
I also wish it would give us timers above each plant or better indication on how much time got left. i swear sometimes my crops look like going to be ready the next 6am ding and need another round. It would be cool to have a little status window or menu showing timers or even a message on the side that says hey you have crops to attend to. something.
And of course main thing is, more plots. i'd love to have multiple 9x9 plots. 1 just for trees. 1 just for slow growers etc. but then that would be to op, as gold totals would be so insane would need a ton of stuff in the game to buy or spend gold on.
Lots of people sitting on more gold could ever need with everything all bought. need something to gamble our gold or invest it into something so gold has value again once you at that top with nothing else to do. maybe let us use gold for focus increase.
This is a really well made video and spreadsheet, you definitely deserve more subscribers
Thank you so much! I hope it is able to help you in your Palia journey!
It definitely is, I wasn't going to bother even checking on the festival seeds because of all the decorations I'd rather spend my tickets on. Now I'm going straight to buy some bok choy @@Aqajj
I figured out last night that Bok choy and potatoes sell for the most and it only takes 1 Bok choy to make 6 seeds!!
You might want to take another look because Bok Choy makes 4 seeds per crop. You could be confusing it with the Napa Cabbage that produces 6 seeds per crop. And I appreciate the kind words!
Def good to consider! I personally have been taking the easy route by using Potato and Tomato because they retain water the whole time so its fairly hands off asides replanting potatoes. Def gonna try this out though as now that I have the fine watering can and watering isnt existential pain, I could water plants without it taking a small chunk of time that adds up.
Yeah, this setup will take a bit of time to water if you don't have the later tier watering cans. But once you get them, you will be earning a ton of money! Thanks for watching the video!
Fantastic video! Thank you for all the work that went into this. I love the colour coding as it really helps me to visualise the data. Besides that, your explanation was clear and straightforward to understand.
This was amazing, saved me the trouble of figuring out the numbers myself
Thank you for doing this for those of us who either don’t have the time or the skills 🙌
Thanks brother! You remind me so much of my nephew, I just HAD to subscribe. He's a good guy too.
hello im thinking of downloading this game to try it out. thank you for these tips. Have a nice day!
You’re very welcome! Palia is a nice game with the ability to go all in on maximizing everything or the option to lay back and take things at your own pace!
I love spread sheets and I like your work. Plus, Palia is fun. Good job! Very helpful.
Thank you so much. The layout is brilliant :) Deffo doing it :)
the seed maker and fertilizer make really help
holy!! im going on my 2nd week into Palia and this chart and numbers makes my head hurt, but then again this looks like something i would end up making myself lols
Thank you so much for all this hard work. My walet is going to love you lol!
Great video, thanks for the explanations and data!
Wish they had trading in Palia or that you can mail ithems to each other, I mean in final fantasy amd minecraft you can trade and give ithems so easy, would be nice if palia had it to.
The color chart was amazing. Definitely going to copy the bok choy layout!
Sweet! I can’t wait to hear your harvest results!
So much data. It feels so good. I can taste it.
Data analyst/scientist? If not, you should be.
Speadsheets make my head hurt. Good Job but damn dude....that vid hurt.
But but but…..I added pretty colors to it 😂😂😂 and seriously thank you so much for watching, I hope you found it useful!
@@Aqajj Very,very Useful! Was wondering how everyone was going to adjust to the new crops and new wild herb spawns.
Awesome, thanks so much!! ❤
Been selling my crops not the seeds. Thanks for teaching something knew!!!
You’re very welcome! Enjoy the big boost in good now!
Thanks for sharing this! 💛
You’re very welcome!
Tomatos even if nerf from 2 to 3 per seed conversion the prjce is still high. Though i was thinking center plot apples and add tomatos and the ceop to boost harvest which would yield more just takes a bit longer Or maybe put rapid growth.
Thank you for this!
Brilliant! So helpful.
what is the best crop to produce glow worm? and how? is there a best recipe? are there pickles that give the best worm yield?
Interesting stuff! Are you able to keep up with seed production though? The gold per hour listed is actually "potential" and is limited by how many seeds per hour you can make in your seeders. If you are making 165 bok choy every 3 days you'd need 66 seeders to keep up and make the profit listed in a sustainable manner. Plus seeders for replanting the rice and wheat.
That's what I noticed, too. I sure wasn't making the kind of profits I do with apple preserves, even using the same farm layout as he does.
This is a really good question! Yes, this and every layout is "potential" profit based on how you play the game but let's dive into the philosophy of this layout. The limiting factor in the game right now is the number of plots you can own (I'm not sure if there is a limit to crafters yet). Since that is the limiting factor that is what I am maximizing. Now yes, if you played Palia 24/7 with no sleeping and no life responsibilities getting in the way sure, there is a very slim chance you'd be able to keep up with this layout's earnings. But you have to think that seeders work for a long time even when you're not playing. So, if we are able to plant the best crop and even if it grows really fast sure it might just be stored in our chest for a long time but eventually we will get the payout of the 5,500 with almost no time put into the game. The 5,500 can technically be classified as "per hour grown" instead of a constant per hour because yes the seeds take a long time to process.
But think about this like investments. If we work really hard for 6 hours to grow and harvest a bunch of crops, sure you wont immediately see 11,000 in your inventory, but with minimal work over the next day, you will. Meanwhile someone focusing on maximizing per process time is maybe making 13,000 but they have to put way more time into the game to keep the process going.
Let me know if you've still got questions, this is how we improve!
What kind of profits were you seeing with this layout HeadHunter? And how did it compare to the apple preserves? I'd love to hear about your data :D
Okay, and I forgot about the "can I keep up with the production" question for me. I currently have about 20 seeders and with the extra offline time yes, I have been keeping up pretty well making about 100,000 the past week.
@@Aqajj I was only seeing about 1560 gold per day. Selling preserves might take a few days but I made far more money in the long run.
I don't have specific numbers but it was a significant difference. Apple trees may take more space but it seems that their yield over their time to harvest ends up with a more profitable crop - and it's a lot more "hands off" as well.
Not saying the bok choy seed idea is bad, I just wasn't seeing much income for the work.
awesome spreadsheet as well!!
Awesome Video, nice work!
Do you just replant as soon as there in space? Or wait until all the crops are done?
As i am usually left with the Wheat left over.
I replant as soon as the crops are ready. So harvest and immediately replant.
@@Aqajj thanks mate sounds good. Gunna be using this for awhile. Would love to see a 'all cooking crops pattern' video ;)?
Earned my sub, good job
Thank you so much! Glad you liked it!
If you keep your house open kind people visit and water crops.
Hi! I'm a little confused about the adjusted profit and how that works. I want to make sure im selling the best crops I can but I'm worried that bok choy might be better off preserving it rather than making seeds. Yet, you say the opposite? I'm just curious! IT was really interesting to watch!
The “Adjusted Profit” section of the chart is just to compare profits between different crops with different sized tiles. It doesn’t affect the seed vs preserve comparison for each crop. I’d love to hear your thoughts on why you think the preserves are better for Bok choy.
Mostly because i misunderstood the adjusted profit and also because in straight sell value preserves sell at a greater profit compared to crops. However, I suppose the benefit of selling bok choy as seeds is due to the 1 for 4 ratio. Which would mean one crop would sell for 22x4? At least that's my reasoning lol
Yeah, looking at face value of each at 1 unit can be deceiving.
The only issue with running SO much bok choy is the seeders take a while, which means you'd have to be running A LOT of seeders to keep up with the fast harvest time. This isn't viable for someone in early game unfortunately, but it's an absolutely broken money maker once you get to a point where you can keep up with it.
While I agree that someone in the early game will have a hard time running this setup optimally, even selling the extra bok choy as regular crops nets you some of the highest gold rates in gardening. So even if someone new doesn’t have many crafters they can still make a ton of money. Video with the data comes out this Sunday June 9th!
@Aqajj that's very true! Even with all my seeders I sell quite a bit of the bok choy raw haha
can you make one that's good for cooking parties as i mainly do those so i need apples and blueberries included!! I'd love to see one made for those that focus on less effort rather than money making benefits, i don't have time to regularly water and weed so water retention and weed block or something like that would be good too! Please and thank you x
I haven’t attended any cake parties yet and don’t do much cooking but if I do and come up with a good layout I’ll share it for you. :)
Do you happen to have a link to the spreadsheet? I was building my own but yours has the math done already and I really like the colour coding you did to make it readable.
It’s currently only shared in my discord since it’s not super public. But if you are really interested it is available.
Sadly, my discord list is currently full but thanks for the response!
for me the issue with doing only bok choy is the loss of water retain, i am not watering my crops every day no thank you! im doing a combo of potatoes and bok choy.
Yeah, I have the exquisite watering can and even then you only have to water every two hours. So it doesn’t take up much time for me. But potatoes are still good money and help with water so it’s all good!
Question: I have hundreds of harvest boost fertilizers from glow worm farming + over 100 starred bok choy seeds (been growing and putting into the seed maker). Would having all bok choy + fertilizer be the most profitable? Thank you for providing such an informative video!
I haven't completed any research into whether or not there is a layout which produces more profit by using the harvest boost fertilizer however if you have a ton of extra harvest boost fertilizer and want to start by just farming bok choy in all 81 slots, that would generate more revenue until you run out of fertilizer. Also I believe it would take 243 fertilizer per harvest cycle to get a 100% success rate of the harvest boost on the bok choy.
oh ill give it a go! i should have enough, thank you! @@Aqajj
@@Aqajj Reporting back. I planted Star Bok Choy seeds on all tiles + enough Harvest Boost Fertilizer to get through all the days (they all still had fertilizer left when I harvested). I ended up harvesting 243 star Bok Choys + 7 star Bok Choy seeds. The Bok Choys alone totaled 10,935
So you have it set up as a 9x9 tile (3x3 soil patch) layout. Being that you aren't set up with a rice middle/bc or potato surround, would it possibly work better as a 4x5 soil layout given the positioning of the tiles?
Also, are your profit numbers at the end going by just raw output, or output post seed maker/preserve jar output? If so, how many jars/makers do you have churning things out after the fact?
I'm a little confused by the first part. If you were to create it on the garden planner and tag me with it in the palia discord I'd take a look at it.
As for your second part, these numbers are profit after putting it in the seed maker not taking into account how long it take to process as it depends on how often you play. When I was running this back in february I had about 18-20 seed makes and playing 3-5 hours a day was a really good pace to keep up with the output.
Let me know if this answered your questions or let me know if you need any other explaining. Thanks for watching and leaving your thoughts, I have a new spreadsheet coming out eventually that goes way more in depth on this topic.
@@Aqajj As in you have 3 by 3 plots. What if you rearranged them into a different shape instead of a 3x3 big square and instead went into two rows of 4 plots and 5 plots respectively. Would that allow for better combinations? I don't understand the match as well as you all do, so was more wondering why the 3x3 works better than the 2 rows of 4 and 5 plots.
im guessing this is out of date now? noticed the pricing of seeds went down. Would love to watch an updated version of this
As far as I know there has not been an update to seed prices, what prices went down?
@@Aqajj ahhh nevermind i see where i messed up, just to confirm, you turn all the crops into seeds to then sell right (- ones to replace)
Some crops get turned into preserves while still seeding a few of those for replanting. The ones that sell better as seeds all get turned into seeds and you can sell the excess that you didn’t replant.
And yes, the seed selling amounts get confusing since it’s not 1 to 1.
Am I understanding right that it's more profitable to sell seeds rather than crops? Thank you for clarifying. :)
Yes, all crops sell better when you seed/preserve them. It just depends on the crop for which machine you put them in.
From what you grove, do you put them in seedmaker and sell them as seeds or in the wormbin? Or just sell the veggies straight up?
For how to sell every type of crop I recommend looking at the colorful chart in the video. Darker Green means better but for the crops in this layout, everything goes in the seeders.
Thank you! I must have missed that ♥@@Aqajj
How do I get apple seeds? (Beside being super lucky with Zeki’s coin)
I believe you get one now when you reach level 10 but you can always buy more from the gardening guild store by speaking with Badruu and spending some skill medals.
Since the rice, potatoes, and wheat all take different amount of days to harvest, should they stay in the ground until all crops have grown to keep the bonuses? Or harvest them as they pop out of the ground? Or rotate new seeds as soon as the crops are ready to harvest?
What I do is as soon as the crop is ready to harvest I grab it and put down the exact same seed type in its place. That way the profit per day is always at its maximum rate. Good question!
Thanks for the quick response!@@Aqajj
with the last layout, do you sell the seeds of the weat and rice too ? how many seeds do you have to keep to keep it running ? :) thank
Yes, so rice and wheat are only sold as seeds so that is the best option for them. To replant the layout you need 55 Bok choy, 14 rice, and 12 wheat seeds. :)
@@Aqajj thank you very much ;)
one thing i think that could affect your profits are the use of worm bins. I'm not super clear on the numbers, but i reckon a few of the preserves would be worth more than seeds if you have enough worm bins. I don't know if bok choy would be better as a preserve once processed with worm bins.
Thanks for the info! I haven’t done much research into how much profit the work bins can make but this definitely makes me want to test it out and see if there is an improvement! If I find anything useful I’ll see about making a video for it.
Processing preserves through worm bins generates more funds at the end, but at the cost of additional time, which reduces your overall profits in the end. For instance, starred apple jam yields 144 gold in 76 minutes (1.895 gold per minute), and while running it through the glow worm farm yields 155 gold between the worms and the fertilizer, it takes 136 total minutes, reducing your income to 1.14 gold per minute.
So, would you rather earn 1.90 gold per minute, or 1.14? Seems like an easy answer.
Where should I put the fertilizers and which ones?
Depends on your level if you’d want to put quality up fertilizer on them. If you want to do weed prevention or water retain for easier farming that’s another option. However it will lower your profits. Up to you, I personally don’t really use fertilizer.
Do you have a link to that spreadsheet by chance? 🙏🙏
There is a link in the discord since it isn't super public, but if you want to dive into it, it's there.
omg I cant find it, WHERE do i get bok Choy? I google , looking at youtube but cant find the answer, :/ where can i find it ? plz help
You buy it from Delilah’s Sweet Shop at the Maji Market currently.
@@Aqajj thanks!! :)
i'm new at the game, how do i grow apple trees?
You will be gifted a seed once you reach level 10 in gardening and you can buy more for medals at the guild shop. Then it uses a 3x3 area and you can seed 10 apples for 1 more seed to replant.
Do you know if this layout still works after 0.180??
The only things changed with gardening were the apples/blueberries and the worm farms so this should still be good! I’ll be using it again on stream in a week now that the gold cap has been raised.
Ok but how are you guys remembering where to plant what? Seems time consuming even if you have a printout
Once you plant it once, just harvest each crop type 1 by 1 and you don’t have to remember anything. I might make a video going over planting the layout if you’re interested.
Does the quality boost really matter if you just use star quality seed
This layout only has a harvest boost buff.
@Aqajj got ya. Also, this helped so much thank you for the breakdown!
Just came across this video does it still work with the update ?
The update to the worm farms doesn’t affect this and the prices of crops didn’t change so everything should work as expected still.
is this still good? i tried his layout and some of my crops dont have haverst boost.
Which ones don’t? Double check that it’s planted right since it has 100% harvest boost
Why not make all bak choy. And just glow worm farm to create harvest boost.
I haven't done much research into the amount that the worms produce. I'll have to take a look into that and see what the increase would be.
Ok, so after some quick data crunching, it looks like if you were to plant 73 Bok choy and 8 potatoes you could increase profits by 0.6%. But you must pickle the potatoes before going into the glow worm farm. This would be sustainable however I think it would stop working if you harvest the layout too quickly. Not sure it’s exactly worth it for all of the extra effort though.
Thnx for calculating now i kno w its not worth it.. great content. Much greetings from holland
Why no link to the spreadsheet?
It wasn't originally built on a shareable account. I have since moved it and you can access it here: aqajj.net/palia-notes and this video's data is under Feb24 Farming Data. Thanks for reminding me about it!
Thanks peter parker
So we’re supposed to sell bok as seeds then right?
Yes
Do you have a Palia Garden Planner for this?
also we should sell the seeds?
Yes, if you refer to the colorful chart you’ll see that the best method of selling these crops if by seed. Also, here is the planner: palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-BkRWBkBkBkRBkBk-BkBkBkBkRBkBkWBk-WRBkBkBkBkBkBkR-WBkRBkBkWBkBkR-BkBkBkBkBkBkBkRBk-RBkWWBkBkRBkBk-RBkBkWBkBkBkBkR-BkWBkBkBkBkWBkW-BkBkRBkBkWRBkBk
Holy Moly it’s a long link 😂😂
This must have been nerfed because this is way wrong. Star Bok choy seeds are 22g amd the actual star bok choy is 45g. Star potato are 67g each.
I encourage you to put a star quality Bok choy in a seeder and see what the value of all the items that come out after 1.2 hours. I think you will learn a lot!
Each Bok Choy crop is worth 4 Bok Choy seeds when they come out of the seed harvester. So they're worth 60 gold each, not 22.
Hello mate. Which fertilizer should I use for this layout? I'm gardening lvl 13
I don’t really use fertilizer too much to know a lot about how it works in terms of results but if I was going to choose one I would choose the quality boost (QualityUp I think it’s called) to increase your chance of getting quality crops until you reach level 25. Or if you really don’t like the small amount of upkeep required you can go for the water retain/weed prevention ones.
@@Aqajj thank you so much❤️
Does this still hold up today?
Yeah, farming did not get updated in the economy update and the lettuce seeds have to value currently. I am back to using this layout myself even.
Im using a layout with 5 apple trees and 100% water Retention and 100% harvest boost
still working?
Yes
all this yapping but u dont show what layout to make
There is a chapter going over the best layout about 2/3 of the way into the video. Everything is discussed and the layout is clearly shown. Maybe give it another watch. You’re welcome!