Drinker's Chasers - We're Being Sold A Lie
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- Whether its the idea of generational wisdom, the need to grow up and move on, or just that men and women might be slightly different in some ways, modern movies seem determined to ignore the reality of being human.
We are not doing our children and young adults any favours with coddling them, and shielding them from the discomforting aspects of normal life.
Show them older movies and older Disney films from the 80s and 90s. You’ll be doing them a favor
@@chasehedges6775 Dude my top five childhood movies were thanks to early 90’s Disney. They are movies from the 70-80. I miss that Disney and the original Disney Channel. They gave great movies at night and dawn.
@@ironrex6979 👍👍👍
no,but makes me feels morally superior
@@chasehedges6775 Disney have always been a bunch of pedophiles.
"Biology doesn't care about your ideology" - I don't know if that is an original Drinker quote, but it's a good one.
That is so true. Your mind and opinions may change but your body still gets older nonetheless.
@@chasehedges6775 I know movies used to help you understand and face reality these days they do the opposite and are as much a fairytale as the Disney movies
@@matthewvalente5877 👍👍
True. At forty a woman realizes she is too old to have children. And she isn't hot anymore, so being treated like a princess at clubs is gone. Then she's looking at decades of boredom and regret. Sex And the City was about misleading women, and when they're older some of them can be led into feminist activism, blaming their problems on men. "How dare men not want me!" Action movies where women live the fantasy of teenage boys, besting every man in sight, mislead them just the same, while mocking men.
Many women just don't want to be mothers and that's okay. My aunt is in her 50s and the happiest person I know.
Why do you assume that women have the urge to be mothers?
I think it's social pressure or when all of their friends become mothers and you have noone left to talk about other things than childcare stuff.
No. I think most childfree women are very happy with their chouce, looking at all the childfree groups on Social Media.
This is why something like King of the Hill could never happen again. Even before getting into the fact you've got a straight white christian male in a traditional gender role being shown in a positive light, the core of the show is that both Hank and Bobby learn from each other. Objectively, the world Bobby is growing up in is a very different world from the one Hank grew up in, and sometimes, Hank has to adapt to it. But, there are just as many times where Bobby's naivete would put him in a seriously bad situation if it weren't for Hank's guidance and experience, as well as situations where this different world could use MORE of Hank's values, not less.
The major difference as well was that Hank would adapt when he knew things were objectively not working. He was never stuck in his ways. And in part he rejected the world view of his own father precisely becuase he himself saw how toxic and abusive his father was.
@@genmaicha.lapsang Unless it involved admitting that good charcoal beats any propane grill.
The scary thing is that I am pretty sure it got tbe green light to make more seasons
@@Midnitethorn Yeah they are do ng an adult Bobby remake supposedly, I expect it won't make it a season to be honest...
Thats a great summation, we watch that show still
Seeing three men and a woman just having a good and respectful conversation with each other about the many sins of woke Hollywood is very satisfying to watch.🙂
Been too long since I witnessed that kind of civility. Felt myself decompressing a bit.
Well ... Two men, a woman, and a graphic.
😉
She makes very apt points without resorting to victimhood. Life is tough, and it’s playing victim is a fools errand. “Mental health “ has been high jacked for just dealing with disappointments. NaomiOsaka, the tennis player had no mental struggles when she was winning. Sat and proudly basked in questions about her success. When she lost, she cried and sited her mental health. Now they all cite that when the gong gets tough. Try getting up early for the 1st of 2 minimum wage jobs every day. That’s mental toughness
Three white and a woman of colour.
@@ggt47 does their skin colour matter more than their character?
It's almost like we used to have adults as story writers. Now we have fully grown, perpetual, children writing our stories
That's what happens when you have no talent nepotism hires using ChatGPT.
That’s exactly it. And it’s weird it’s not talked about enough. Yours is the only comment I’ve seen in here talking about that. The moment gen x are gone and not writing, I think films and series are just going to get worse. I really hope not, but that seems to be trending towards that.
I wrote a pretty neat clean screenplay and got good feedback as well but it will never be a movie ever. Which is okay for me because I got a job and a good life and writing is just a thing I do to relax BUT there ARE actually really good stories out there, dedicated people who want to do the movies the audience wants but it’s basically impossible to get it through this whole process. The movie of a generation was probably thrown in the trash by some agent or producer without them even reading it.✌🏻
It's not exclusive to Hollywood. It's the entire country that's run by adult babies
Well, they hire cheap writers fresh out of college.
Baggage Claim is really impressing the hell out of me on this channel lately. She's covering some truly excellent insight into the flaws of entertainment. And I think it carries over into this entire new generation. Fascinating to say the least.
I agree, I'd never heard of her before, big fan now
She's a woman of color but completely sees the bigger picture like us.
I'm grateful that collabs like these keep introducing us to great channels.
@@liamphibia And probably, like us, doesn't want to be defined as such. I once shared with my woke friend that I'm half-Puerto Rican, and when she said, "Oh, you're a woman of color," my pasty white self cringed. 😅
@@RanMouri82
You do see my point though right?
That was a really interesting take she had, juxtaposing Neverland’s message about males clinging to recklessness and irresponsibility with D&D hypermasculinizing the females so that they can be just as reckless and irresponsible as the men.
Yes. That's a different take on something I have often thought about. If their culture is so much better where is it? Why do they have to destroy mine? Where are their stories and heroes? They have none. They are not destroying ours out of spite they are doing it because they have no alternatives.
It's okay for certain characters to be like that (especially in D&D, which I play all the time). But not have it be a UNIVERSAL sin. Somewhere along the line, that distinction has been lost.
Just give us variety!!! Not all men or all women have the same character traits
Hmm, feminism is already about destroying standards and tradition. Chaos is exactly in line with it.
@@ArionNoble Let me give you a reframe: *Feminism is just unchecked female nature.* Feminism is what happens when you never tell women "NO." Feminism is just a shit test at this point. It didn't used to be, but it is now.
“Wisdom and Experience has something to impart to the next generation.”
- Critical Drinker.
I have heard that biologists say that is a difference between us and chimpanzees is that we do impart wisdom and experiance much much more than they do, if at all.
A good education should impart knowledge and wisdom, so to avoid the (bad) experiances. Without that you gain knowledge and wisdom by experiances, if you can learn from experiance and don't get killed in the process. The latter method is much slower.
To Baggage Claim's men mature slower, that is why women used to marry older men. And perhaps why men are fertile longer than women.
To modern kids, biology developed systems long ago, be careful thinking you know better.
Not according to Disney. Just stay quiet, gramps, and let the public school system take your grandson and introduce you to your new grandaughter!
The older generation screwed our economy and our housing crisis is getting worse. I'm 34 and still can't move out of my parents house the older generation has no solutions or wisdom for that.
It is pretty funny how absolutely arrogant & ignorant many westerners are these days and this smug narcicism was well nourished by the NWO puppeteers. It is insane what levels of copium the average nobody has. There are people who unironically believe that they are smarter than Elon Musk for example. Pretty sure lots of _"young people"_ among them, but older people too!!! 🤪 I remember a youtube commentsection just like this one in which I then asked people:
*_"Oh yeah? Then why are YOU not so rich you own could buy 1/10th of the world if you are smarter than him? "_* Needless to say I wasn't very welcome after that wake up call. 😏
@@emperorsean1 I bought my house at 26 in one of the more expensive housing markets in the country. Yes, it's difficult, but it's certainly not impossible. Maybe instead of blaming others for your problems, you should work on actually fixing them.
"Time is the school in which we learn, Time is the fire in which we burn."
- Delmore Schwartz
and the flip side to the Male experience: "My name's Johnny Knoxville, Welcome to Jackass."
"biology doesn't care about your ideology" great quote my friend
It’s sooo true
As an old man (50+), I'm glad to hear you tackle this particular folly. When I was in my 20-30s, I was STUPID, intelligent but STUPID (they aren't mutually exclusive). It took until my 40s for me to start actually developing wisdom, having had forty years to learn from my mistakes. The Hollywood idea of the young knowing better than their elders is a direct product of so much of it being "kids" in their 20s and 30s not yet having grown old enough to realize how dumb they really are. That's WHY age and wisdom are so often associated. To be sure, not all people grow wise with age, but until you've lived long enough, you REALLY don't know how much you don't know about what the world can put you through. You have only your pretenses and presumptions of your own immortality and infallibility, neither of which exist.
“When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years.” ― Mark Twain
"When I was ten, I thought my parents knew everything. When I became twenty, I was convinced they knew nothing. Then, at thirty, I realized I was right when I was ten." ― Mark Twain
The idea of the youth being smarter than the previous generation is a communist invention. They can't pull off a cultural revolution without getting rid of any living memory from before they took over the country.
Intelligence, having knowledge. Wisdom, knowing how to use it. Takes decades to achieve wisdom, and a few years to achieve intelligence. Stupidity is a very difficult thing to overcome.
Hollywood only values nice skin and a tight ass. What’s between the ears isn’t really important
Decades of one sided hardcore propaganda/ideological subversion- with essentially zero push back in nation wide Media/Academia/ Hollywood/ etc + less and less and less ability to utilize God given discernment= 95 percent of the nonsensical retarded absurd deviant degenerate absurd anti objective truth/ anti objective morality cult like subversive fanatical cultists ideologues of today!.
'The younger generation has idealism on their side'
Except they don't even have THAT nowadays thanks to constantly doom and gloom so we're left with our 'wisdom' figures being nihilistic hedonistic and vengeful. And that literally shows up in our 'heroes' nowadays...
The younger and older generations deserve better.
A person can become a hero by cutting their acorns off these days
Its something I've realized with the younger generation in that they aren't just cynical, they are pessimistic by default.
I like to call it 'post-nihilism' where the meaninglessness and the empiness of reality is simply a given and they exist in a vacuum of instant gratification and self-fulfillment.
@@dugonman8360 I’m part of the younger generation(Gen Z) and while you definitely correct, I think the same could be said for ALL generations as well.
@@chasehedges6775 No, it can't. You're projecting. It happens a lot today.
Many of my fellow Millenials, who thought they could live forever in their mid-20's, are starting to impact the wall of reality.
I think us Gen Z kids who were born in the 2000s are starting to experience that too, not just 90s and 80s people
Alot of other young people really don't seem to grasp the concept of being mortal. I find it really odd as they see older people in their lives pass on but seem to think they are somehow immune to death
So true, but some of us knew! It's just difficult to find someone to marry and start a family with. I think it's more difficult for men, nowadays, therefore, I would encourage you to marry younger if you can find a wonderful woman.
You don't have to worry about the wall like women do. Women like older men. You will be alright...well if you can find good woman!!!!
I hope you do!
@@thewaterguy17 but but but... the Singularity!
Yep, the youngest millenials are now 28.
No more Disney for me and my family, we are done with all the woke nonsense
No New Disney that is, I would say the Old Disney movies, I still think they are good at showcasing What values should actually be important.
I got rid of Disney+ a long time ago. I only got it for The Mandalorian then unsubscribed shortly after. I hated all the other woketarded slime they kept gushing out.
@@mitrion301 Agreed, old Disney stuff seems to have a better “message” than new Disney stuff does.
@@mitrion301 newest I'll go is the first Cars movie
“Biology doesn’t care about your ideology.” I heard this during Open Bar and it was an amazing quote. Thanks for capturing it!!!! Sharp truths cut deep.
I’m 40 and I grew up understanding “consequences have actions”. Seems like we’ve failed to teach our children that concept.
Surely it's "actions have consequences"
Exactly Josh well said. There are consequences for everything depending on the decisions you make in life.
@@bartsullivan4866 You reap what you sow
@@jrobs1133 I think he's referring to the fact that it's not over once consequences have struck. You need to take responsibility for what you break and what needs to be done.
There is a huge difference between the results of Liberal vs Conservative parenting.
“The bigger the lie, the more they believe” - Bunk Moreland
It’s true, trivial untruths don’t threaten the faith people put in authority. But when the authority makes an extraordinary claim, they are left with no choice but to accept it as true, or deal with the discomfort of having the faith they put in the authority shattered forever.
"If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself." ~ Joseph Goebbels
I'm a progressive- biology is biology. You can't pick to believe all the evidence about global warming and refute biological evidence about humans.
Ok, who's gonna tell him who originally said this? Don't know Bunk Moreland, but I guarantee he's more comforting than the sayings author.
@@JoeMama-dy6op it’s a quote from The Wire….Bunk is one of the best characters
It's not original and it is a misquote, or, if more charitable approach is to be desired, a distilled version of the core message. The original goes as follows:
_" [...] One should not as a rule reveal one's secrets, since one does not know if and when one may need them again. The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, it should be a big lie, and one should stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous."_
And who said it? Our one and only Joseph Goebbels, in his article "Churchill and his lie factory" _Die Zeit ohne Beispiel,_ 12. January 1941.
I'm 60 years old and I can assure you, if you don't take your chances in life which includes trying to find that person you want to maybe spend the rest of your life with, reality is going to be a demolition derby on your life.
The older you get, the more doors will close. There will simply be things you won't be able or have the opportunity to do. That's fact. However, it doesn't mean the end. You have to grow up and adapt to change. That's what grown ups do. Drinker's right; you can't be party boy/girl forever. Change and time wait for no one, and that fact overrides any feelings someone may have on the matter.
Stop worrying about what others think. Stop fearing cancel aka cancer culture. Live your life NOW, because NOW'S all you've got. You have only ONE life because if you don't, sooner than you know it, you're going to be staring retirement and your end years in the face. Don't be that person saying, coulda, shoulda, woulda.
Well said as a 60 year old too I been telling young individuals to go out and enjoy your life because it is over before you know it.
Ah yes, talk down to the guy who helped save half the universe about helping people. I'm reminded of the Green Lantern comic of the 70's that started the Green Arrow team ups, where some old guy talks to Hal freaking Jordan about how he works for blue people and saved the green people, etc, but what has he done for the brown people? Looking back it's so cringe. The proper response is, "I've literally prevented the world from being wiped out you ungrateful ass."
The response would probably be:
"You gotta do better Lantern!!!"
There's also the Green Martian character in DC Comics, and he declares that the PALE MARTIANS "did nothing except exploit others and destroy the planet". (He says that while helping defeat a group of PALE Martians who have disguised themselves to fool Earth people into trusting them.) It's not even an allegory at that point, they're straight up saying that White people are evil.
Funny enough, that would be in character of Hal Jordan to say something like that. The direction they've taken the Green Lantern Corps has been complete cringe ever since they introduced the latest three
Especially when Green Lantern had repeatedly helped out black people SPECIFICALLY in the past and generally when he saved cities and the entire world several times.
Look up the song "Whitey on the Moon."
I don't know baggage claims channel or much about her, but she just gave me something I've never experienced before; an insight into the difficulties and mentality of a woman without feeling at all like I was being preached at. This is coming from a man who's been married for years. There was no "you should feel ashamed for all the problems you men cause is women", or "you have it so much easier, you have no idea what it's like to be me" from her explanation at all. It was so refreshing, and it made me understand so clearly without having to fight any instinct to tune out because I was being insulted or belittled.
I legitimately think she has made me a better person through those several minutes.
Sir. Respectfully, You don’t need TH-cam. Just talk to your wife as a human being and partner in life.
You have decided to accommodate women. It's a choice. Remember, all her "you need to grow up"'s have a codicil: "...in order to suit my needs...and wants... in ways that suit my needs... and wants." You'd have grown up on your own about 5 years later. In a different way.
That's a reasonable choice with a good woman. It can have very good life outcomes. However, women have been enabled to inflict some very VERY bad life outcomes on men by dint of law. Also women have been socialized to be much more demanding & narcissistic.
It's not as good a choice as it used to be. May it continue to work out for you.
Be careful about taking advice or insight from people you don't know.
Could be a 12 year old or a married guy who asks his wife permission to piss standing up
@@malekaius the nature of the sexes is something my wife and I have discovered is not a good point of discussion between us. She is a very "Modern" woman, and generally holds the idea that women are superior to men in every way that matters, and we're oppressing them because we're scared of them, etc. I very obviously don't share that opinion, so we've historically been at odds in that regard. Thus we've learned to keep the subject unspoken, save for the occasions where she feels she needs to use the trump card of the pain of child birth and the difficulties of periods when I speak of pain or how something such as a certain recurring bill is unpleasant to pay. Used as a way to "remind me of my privilege" as it were.
This is why I am refreshed to hear a woman deliver insight in a manner that is not intended to break me down, because prior to this it''s the only way I've felt the subject could go.
Edit: I should clarify that I feel no bitterness towards her for this, and it doesn't diminish my love for her. It is simply a thing we disagree on, which is perfectly normal so long as we both accept it.
@@theminister1154 This attitude, right here, is why a lot of women don't want to get married these days, and silently despair for the fate of humanity. The sexes are meant to build each other up, not tear each other down to make themselves feel better.
As somone who left San Francisco when i was young it felt almost surreal going back last year since 2012. It felt like i didnt even recognize my own place even tho i remembered it so vivdly. The homelessness i witnessed wasnt as bad as i was told which was great. But now that downtown feels like a ghost town its nuts seeing all the big skyscrapers with for lease signs all through out the financial parts. it used to be booming with ppl anytime of day but when i went it was silent and empty which was hard to see.
SF used to be a destination for people in the Bay Area, like you’d get excited about going into the city, it was a big deal. Now it’s “ugh, I have to go into SF today, shit.”
Everything woke turns to 💩
@@sup9542 Emphasis on shit
The whole area is still insanely expensive and not car friendly.
A lot of folks, like me, for instance, are working from home. In my case, in aerospace, alongside folks in Spain, Brasil, Israel, the UK, from my place in Portland Oregon. Born in '56, it feels like as big a change as horse and buggy to a man on the moon.
I am sick of the whole "women mature faster" bs that only applies in the biological sense of puberty, but most certainly they are not more mature in intelligence or understanding, they are just as vulnerable as they were before, if not more vulnerable. As soon as boys begin their journey through puberty the girls will learn all the physical disadvantages they have naturally making them more risk adverse, that doesn't make them more mature.
So bitter.
@@MagcargoMan I see you have no argument so right to ad hominin attacks, large sign of being immature.
@@nerofl89 Lol, you were using ad hom from the get-go, probably because you're still bitter no-one wanted to hang out with you in High School. Doubling down on the reason nobody liked you isn't the way.
That and the fact that they attract older men gaze which is something boys don't receive which also forms their minds.
When kids start giving me that attitude, I just tell them to come back after life has kicked them around the block a few times and then we can talk.
I view those spoiled kids who never knew bad times with pity more than anything else. Hardship builds character (didn't understand that in Calvin and Hobbes when I was a kid but I sure do now) and it helps one appreciate what they have.
It's naiveté, that's what. Most people grow out of it, hopefully without learning too much the hard way.
Maybe its a good thing that kids haven't suffered as much as you have. We ought to be proud of the fact that this generation gets to have a better life than we did.
The more sheltered young people are from the consequences of their choices by coddling and overbearing guardians(whether they’re parents or governments) the more ignorant they remain which kinda contributes to arrested development in adults themselves. Nothing magical about that process.
Thank you for mentioning Calvin & Hobbes. I realize now that part of what made it great was the balanced perspective. When Calvin and his dad get in arguments, Watterson lets both of them have valid points, and the dad usually has more of these than Calvin. It's very different from the pandering, enabling, "kids are always right" mindset of youth media now, especially since wokeness has co-opted that to spread THE MESSAGE to an audience that's too young to see through it. I miss Calvin & Hobbes and can't wait to share it with my future kids.
"You are smarter and cooler than your clueless, stuck-up parents" has been a popular and profitable theme in films for at least half a century. If you want teens to pay to watch your movie, you have to tell them what they want to hear.
Are they in for a shock of a lifetime when they grow up and realize their parents weren't as dumb as they thought.
Pretty much the premise of every YA, yes.
Youth Culture is dying. We need to move on from that nonsense
Empty platitudes. It's everywhere in society, especially marketing. Look at the commercials for regular home cleaning products. Every single one of them features some man so cartoonishly stupid he might as well wear a diaper because he's practically an animal that can't be toilet trained, and his spouse is just smug as hell that she's right all the time about whatever cleaning product is being sold. They wouldn't use it as a marketing strategy if it didn't work: emotionally needy people are easily manipulated by the laziest of pandering.
My daughter is 10 and going through puberty and she tells me about school and how this person likes this person, and she was sad. Because even though she didn't have the words for it, she was mourning the loss of her childhood. Well spoken.
For most boys that's the moment they become gamers.
@@MK_ULTRA420 huh? the moment boys become gamers- they mourn the loss of their childhood? if thats your point, i disagree completely
@@SuperSuperdude88 You can disagree but it's meaningless.
Video games (detachment from life) is the opioid of young men. That and porn. Too much is cancer.
10-15 was hard for me socially as a girl. There was a lot of peer pressure in school and not going along with the other girls' ideas made me practically a pariah. However, I still believe it made me stronger as an individual and not afraid to stay true to myself.
It doesn't matter HOW old you are - you look back on your youth with a sense of nostalgia and yearning for your physical youth - and a sense of utter cringe for the ridiculous ideas that you had based on your limited experience. I'm 57 and every day I think of something I did or said in my youth that is at complete opposition of how I am now.
It seems to be the nature of life that we burn through youth earning wisdom, and we always wish we had more of what we don't have.
This sounds exactly like the Cultural Revolution under Moa. The youth had to educate the old in the new way and destroy the culture of the past.
I was about to speak upon this... Thank you!!!
If you want to destroy a people, destroy their past
Destroy the Four Olds!
It’s funny that of all times, media has decided that the people with the least life experience, trials and tribulations (wealthy millennials/Gen Z) are the demographic where we throw out 300,000 years of the concept of the wisdom of our elders.
To quote another excellent TH-camr: “People have become catastrophically stupid.”
“People have become catastrophically stupid.”
I think people have always been that way, no matter what decade or generation.
Humans are humans and are gong to make mistakes. It’s in our nature
not an accident. They're the most easily influenced, so they become your puppet to change things.
@chasehedges6775
People have always been people, so mistakes happen. However you can’t deny social media has increased the reach of stupid.
The average age of fox new viewers is 75. Safe to say age and wisdom has no correlation...
@@emhu2594 there's a reason the kids call cable news legacy media
Proverbs 9:1-6
Wisdom has built her house;
she has set up its seven pillars.
2 She has prepared her meat and mixed her wine;
she has also set her table.
3 She has sent out her servants, and she calls
from the highest point of the city,
4 “Let all who are simple come to my house!”
To those who have no sense she says,
5 “Come, eat my food
and drink the wine I have mixed.
6 Leave your simple ways and you will live;
walk in the way of insight.”
This trend for convincing the inexperienced, barely educated younger generation they are the enlightened ones, the ones gifted with the power and right to found a new reality and humanity by telling (shouting at) us that we're outmoded - that's so Khmer Rouge.
When communists go full batshit they just love lynching everyone too old to have not been raised and fully indoctrinated into their benevolent teachings.
Who they _especially_ love to lynch are intellectuals, since they tend to ask more questions than dirty peasants.
Or Red Guard. I personally know someone who suffered through the Cultural Revolution. The stories...
@@uscgspawn2298 It's much more Red Guard than Khmer Rouge. In fact in another comment here I compared the Twitter mob going after someone to a high-tech struggle session.
The boundaries of wisdom are set by the old and exceed by the young. - James Edwards
When you look at a lot of the older movies, the young up and comer is talented and fresh, sees things in a new perspective that helps people progress to better places in life. And the old, wise teacher comes along and says, "Hey you may be hot shit, but you could be better, and you have to know and respect the ropes, the dangers, and the folk you live with before you come along and change things up." And that works. Both learn from each other. I have kids and they teach me shit all the time. They remind me to be more open, joyful, etc. The things I don't wanna learn from them though are hygiene, politics, raising kids, finances, and any kind of wisdom that relies on knowledge and experience.
"Biology doesn't care about your ideology" - I'm stealing that - that's a GREAT line Drinker.
It is utterly baffling and insane that Disney projects keep pushing a theme of doing away with the past. The only reason Disney isn’t bankrupt already is because of their past. Nostalgia for back when they were good. If they do away with the past, all they will have is their pathetic present, and they will have no future.
"Men and Women need a reboot" - Mauler LOL I agree with this!
"Tech Support Peter Pan" - Chrissie Mayr
She made that comment on one of those big get together shows... and it really made me laugh.
9:11 - "That idea sits better with female characters because (girls) mature faster."
Nope! The whole "you need to be an man, boy!" attitude stems from girls NOT wanting to mature--they'd rather have a man to shoulder the burdens so they don't have to. If you've ever watched those Oprah-clones you see it all the time: "I just want a man who'll take care of me!" is their rallying cry. But "take care of me" means HE has to assume the bills, the work, the maintenance, _et al._ for her benefit. I've noticed it's never "WE need to grow up" when this topic is addressed.
Yep all women are expecting men to do everything for them while giving nothing in return while berating those same men and backpatting themselves the whole time
@@DeafEnder Notice that immediately after Drinker said that he deferred to the woman, and she began her typical diatribe about the difficulties of being female and assuming adult responsibilities.
@@steveouk90126
. I still think there is some merit to what they are saying. I would say that objectively since the female body being weaker but also set up to birth children and feed them and thus have periods and breasts does mean that their lives are more difficult in that one aspect (raising children) and physical work.
HOWEVER, I agree with you in the sense that a lot of what we see today is JUST AS MUCH the fault of women being emotionally immature and demanding that others indulge their feelings and nonsense. One can't have it both ways, either one is a strong independent woman with money and power or she is mother which for any woman below the upper classes means giving up a large part of her independence and deprioritizing herself.
@@genmaicha.lapsang First paragraph: have you ever calculated the sheer volume of resources women receive, unearned, for breeding children? With the husband's income or the avalanche of welfare: WIC, food stamps, section 8, Medicaid, CHIP, and all the rest, is it _really_ a hardship when a woman can literally stay home with no job for decades on end, but still complain about her "oppression"?
Second paragraph: No, women's immaturity is far and away the major cause of most social problems.
Women do mature faster.
They mature up until about 17...and then stop. They're biologically speaking adults at that point.
Men on the other hand mature up until about 25...and that's when they stop, biologically speaking.
This doesn't serve as an indicator that one is better than the other, it just shows that they have different roles to play.
Guys don't really matter to anyone until they reach a certain level of mastery in life, so there's no need for them to finish maturing super quick.
The downside for women is that they're already pas their prime by late twenties, while the prime window for guys lasts until around 35 or so(sperm count drops off pretty heavy after that, testosterone soon after).
What you are describing is interesting. It reminds me of the cultural revolution in China; the old were considered counter-revolutionists by nature, and the young were the dawn of new age.
Surely, it was more radical, quick and with many more dead people; however, I wonder if some of the modern activists really dig that "Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-tung" book.
Back then in China, people had to be smart enough to detect BS to live long enough to become old.
You're onto something. Having the mob come after someone on Twitter until they apologize or leave is very much the modern version of the "struggle sessions" people went through during the Cultural Revolution. Back then someone had "incorrect" thoughts they were brought before everyone and yelled at and threatened until they admitted their "error". Sometimes they lasted for days. And those were the "good" struggle sessions because on more than a few occasions the interrogators resorted to torture and murder.
Epic last line! "Biology doesn't care about ideology!"
I've been acting like a 40-50 year old since I was 20, so I'm very much ahead.
One of the things I love about young people is how willing they are to give you the benefit of their inexperience.
I agree with that last bit. And *I* am saying that as someone who actually made a mistake. Yes, there were signs, but it's not always clear when ice drifts are actually going to turn out to be icebergs, especially when someone is deliberately deceiving himself/herself as well as you. I am on my own now with three girls, but I chose immediately to put my feelings on the altar in the name of their security (which ironically will make you happier as a parent). I still have a way's to go before we are back on our feet, but I expect that we'll be solid in a year. If I had not taken a chance with the male that failed us, I would never have had these three Treasures, and I would never have found the motivation to get out of my career rut and go for a higher-paying profession, whether or not it was "fulfilling". A-Ha had it right: "Is it really better to be safe than sorry?"
This actually started years ago, mainly on TV. Every comedy show had witty, clever children constantly one-upping adults, who were dumbfounded at how sophisticated and intelligent these kids were. Meanwhile, all the kids I've been around are a mixture of stupid, clumsy and inept at everything. They can also be nice, and make you happy and sometimes quite charming. Then there were TV ads, where the kids had to show the parents how to do things. I still remember the commercial on being more environmentally aware. The father was brushing his teeth, letting the water run, and the kids came in and shut off the water. Later, the kid taught them how to recycle. Because, of course, adults are too stupid to figure this out for themselves. Great. Now go make breakfast, kid. I'll have scrambled eggs, bacon and wheat toast. And make sure everything in the kitchen is properly cleaned up before you go play. Good luck with that. You'd be lucky if the house wasn't in flames, because the kid wandered off to watch cartoons, and forgot what they were supposed to be doing. Or the obnoxious young Leia in the Obi-Wan series.
It drives me crazy when some politician or authority figure caves in on some social or political issue with the explanation: "my children/grandchildren no longer see the sense in x ..." - as if the fact that the younger generation is too stupid or ignorant to understand why something is good or necessary is a good reason to abandon it. It's the job of mature adults to be, well, the mature adults in the room and lead, guide and educate the young - not kowtow to them.
I don't know who Baggage Claim is, but I'm now a subscriber to her. Holy guacamole, she brings so much to your discussions!
Drinker: ...wisdom of children.
Despot: Have you seen Tic Tok?
I'm dying!!!!
You have to pick your sacrifices. You cannot have it all, no matter what they say. Even the rich, powerful, and successful, don't have it all. Choose what you'll put aside, and then go after what is left. You can also never forget that many options in life are time-sensitive. Some things, you can chase your while life, but most things you cannot.
Nailed it, man
Person A: “The World is yours.”
Person B: “You can’t have the world.”
"Biology doesn't care about your ideology!" I love that Quote! Drinker is a modern Sage!!!
Disney can go broke.
Modern Disney deserves all the spite and hate it gets, in my opinion
Must go broke. Under all circumstances
Legit. Let it burn
the sooner the better especially for the safety of children
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Fantastic conversation everyone. To add to the lady’s comments, I think hitting puberty for girls is biology preparing them for the possibility of child bearing and being the protective, sacrificial mother, and part of that preparedness is emotional. It doesn’t serve a mother to be childish and frivolous when that offspring needs to be looked after, and I think that emotional development comes a bit later to boys because “in the wild” so to speak (not considering societal expectations), males can go from coupling to coupling and so don’t need to have that maturity level established earlier in their development. I’m sure that sounds quaint given where we are as an evolved species, but the DNA still has reasons for its developmental seasons, and furthering the species is still high on that list. I’ve parented girls and a boy and have observed these two distinct time tables in development as they happened. It’s just nature doing its thing and preparing us for our procreative roles.
Feminists are women who never stopped hating puberty. (That, and if you look up the leading feminists they're Marxists and homosexuals, but we never get to hear that. But I digress.)
There's other aspects to it as well. Resources used to be kind of scarce, young guys couldn't get them. Often it wasn't until mid twenties or later that a bloke could have everything together well enough to afford a family. Women didn't need to build themselves into an economic power house, they just needed to show up so to speak.
Men had to perform if they wanted to father children, half of them never made the cut and died childless. 80% of women had children for comparison.
This need to perform for men, and need for healthy women to go through childbirth resulted in 20 year age gaps or more as relatively common affairs. Even today women surveyed report an attraction bias to men several years older than them throughout their lives, while men surveyed show a lifelong unchanging attraction bias towards women of around 23 years of age give or take a few years.
It's a fascinating field of study, unfortunate there isn't more interest in it.
Especially considering how cultures around the world have evolved to manage the rate of birth & death to a balance. In a world where famines, diseases, & war can wipe out many cultures. All the cultures survive to modern-day tends to be more conservative & prefer to keep the status quo for a calm & stable society than a chaotic environment.
I'm a woman, and I agree. Mentally, I was nowhere near mature enough as a girl to bear children after my first period, but it makes sense that biology preps women for motherhood. The unfortunate tendency for young men to be promiscuous makes it supremely important for fathers to teach their sons self-restraint, and mothers to teach their daughters to not give themselves away too freely. There's a reason marriage--one man and one woman for life--is such an ancient institution.
@@RanMouri82 Depends. Polygamous marriage seems to have much more common up until the late Bronze Age - early Iron Age.
I recall an interesting story in that Romen women preferred the newer Christian gender roles because men abused "free love" with bizaare gay orgies and raping slaves, which was considered acceptable by the previous value system.. it reminds me of today's world sometimes.
*"Biology doesn't care about your ideology."*
Damn, that's spicy. Definitely using that.
I hit the reality of adulthood when I was 11, got my first job and had to drop out of school when I was 13. I didn't have to date anyone and be judged to grow up. People think they have it bad now, grow up in near isolation, whilst looking after both your parents and your older brother before you hit puberty then we can talk. Neverland for me Hm NEVER existed for me
I almost got yelled out of a discord call for saying something akin to "Biology doesn't care about your ideology." Mine was "What you want reality to be doesn't change reality."
"Biology doesn't care about your ideology."
- The Critical Drinker
True wisdom, my friend, as always!
Gaia is a total TERF
"you can't be 40 years old and still acting like you're 20..."
well not with THAT attitude! :P
Remember in Halo when the Master Chief just naively helped 343-Guilty Spark almost eradicate humanity because he had no clue what he was doing?
Just helping to help isn't always positive.
The comment about feeling pity on Disney animators resonated with me. They took the “sensational six” and turned them into gross caricatures of the original characters. Someone greenlit an entire redesign of the characters to make the art hideous - which honestly doesn’t seem too off base now
My only nitpick is that this idea of how men are is a new one. When men have the proper guidance and outlets they mature basically at the same pace. What pushed people to adulthood was the need for family and acquiring one's own resources.
“Biology Doesn’t Care About Your Ideology”
I’m putting that on a t-shirt
The Message aside, that point about the artwork and animation... That's CalArts influence. It's trash. See, they wanted to come up with their own 'Western Anime' for an overarching theme, the 'People In Charge' but it is a hideous failure that has infected western animation on almost every level, at least that animation produced in the United States by large production companies.
People IN animation have been warning about it for over a decade now and how it has become so prevalent, this 'CalArts' style, as to be inescapable. It's everywhere, though it's more noticeable in some places: those ads we all saw with the boxy-blocky unisex people with the tiny-tiny heads? That's part of the CalArts style, every bit as much as the beloved (though I couldn't tell you why) Steven Universe is all CalArts All Day... and it's trash.
Pure. Trash.
Baggage Claims intelligence makes her more attractive
what a great analysis of Peter Pan and juxtaposing that to the leading ideology being pushed by the media these days. it's hard to be/become a MAN (in the sense of a good man) and woman (good woman) in this day and age, which is probably why there's such a push against reaching that standard. that was some inspiring 15 mins right there!!! gotta get my life right haha
Good men are much more common than good women. That’s just a fact.
As a card carrying XY chromosome man I confess I was dumb as dirt in my 20s. I am in my 50s and still stupid, just aware of how stupid I am.
This is probably the most moraly serious that drinker has ever been...😢
Indeed.
@@chasehedges6775 it's strange that despite being called "The Critical drinker" Drinker is actually very morally balanced. I guess that says a lot about how reprehensible the entertainment industry these days
I was just talking to a friend that The Drinker is not that much a drinker anymore :D At least not like even a year ago. Maybe drinking just doesn't do it for him, he needs heavier stuff xD
@@timothygremlin9737 His morality is too strong to be corrupted by alcohol 😂
The young are far more impressionable, and a lot of them will simply believe whatever they are taught. If you want to manipulate and control society, then you want everyone to listen to young people. Because you can secretly convince those young people to believe whatever you want.
I'm a 41 year old progressive. It constantly amazes me how many young "progressives" I see on Twitter whose understanding of everything they claim to care deeply about comes from reading tweets. They just spout slogans without any deeper understanding at all.
14:00 It is not only the women that have a biological clock ticking. While it is possible for men to father children at a later age (I got my first one at 41), it does mean that you can not do the things "normal" dads do with their kids. Simply because my body keeps reminding me I am 55 when I try to run or play football with the kids. Or do my back in while helping my kids keep their bikes upright. Also the stress and sleep deprivation of having small children hits very hard at that age. At least for me.
So also for men, the best child-raising age is between 25 and 35.
Yep. Bad backs and knees when chasing a toddler. Oof. I feel ya!😂
This convo is so relevant and important. The social constructivist view that we are the way we are because of other people first and foremost and that people don't have natural inclinations is beyond irresponsible. Humans across all cultures have similar tendancies because we all have natural instincts and the traditions we have survived social darwinism. Bad ideas were forgotten and the best ways to orient moved forward. Its not a bad thing to try to find improved ways but when you throw out traditions you deem as bad without having any inkling why these previous ways of living worked, your opening the door for establishing a significantly worse status quo.
Exactly. Before you end a tradition, you ask "Why did this come about?" "What did this do at the time?" and "What does it do now?" 95% of the time you'll find that the reason it came about? Still relevant. The thing it did at the time? Usually it still does. The thing it does now? Often still important and without anything else to take over if it's ended. So you keep that tradition. Tradition should be open to challenge, but it must be examined properly before you decide if you should cast it down. People build walls for good reasons after all.
They say that youth is wasted on the young. That is very true. I am 54 this year and twice divorced. I have spent the last 10 years on my own. Apart from 2 cats that is. I am too old to get involved again, my heart is not in it and the fact that I failed twice over tells me something. I have not spent that time dating or going out with friends either. I have just been restoring my home, gardening, restoring a car and such pursuits.
At my age all the friends etc I used to have years ago are married with kids that are almost grown up, I can not be part of their world anymore as they have no time for a single man and his hobbies. I had to learn to accept it and deal with it. That and growing old alone.
The worst part of it, the bit I was not prepared for and I am finding hard to come to terms with is an ageing body. Even ten years ago I could work outside or on a car or some project for hours, all day if I needed to. Now I really feel it. I ache the next day, I doze off on the couch when I am finished what I am doing. And I am not even 60 yet. Its very depressing. I was also a young fool, I wish I could have leaned more when I was young to put it into good use. If I could have all the experience I have now at 20 It would have been amazing.
I cant change the past. I learned from it. Or tried to. I try not to think too much about aging as its so upsetting. I envy my cats. They are not a bit aware of their own mortality and so waste no time thinking about it. I sometimes wish that was so, for us humans.
Thank you Baggage Claim for watching Strange Worlds so that we don't have to... *Not all heroes wear capes.*
Great panel, great discussion.
Awesome content
There's a great Tumblr post, pre-NSFW-ban, where it goes on about the wisdom of the youth and how society must open their ears to the youth and listen to youth voices, and the top response was simply a link to an article begging teenagers to please, please, please, stop eating Tide Pods. That's become my go-to response to the whole "listen to the youth" argument.
I wanna go out on a limb and say Madonna is the poster child of someone believing they can be young and reckless forever (especially after her latest bout of cosmetic surgery making her look like Billy the Puppet from the Saw franchise).
Shit, even Billy looks better these days.
I'm 44 and back to dating again. I can tell you from living in 2 different cities and states during, that society's drive to push women to be independent is clear. Almost 90% state their job, they have a house, and how they can handle things on their own, but they'd like 'a partner in crime' It's become bleak.
I suspect one reason Disney's modern movies treat children as wise, and the old as outdated is that the writers grew up with a phone in their hand. Each new phone was much "smarter" than their older phones that got replaced. Their whole world revolves around their phone, so they begin to see people in the same light.
Or they play too many JRPGs
@@MK_ULTRA420 Nah, most JRPGs have mentor characters that actually do shit and impart wisdom that is accepted upon the main cast, leaders will more often then not actually do their job properly, and older characters will often shine brilliantly showcasing their ways when the time comes.
Which ties into the fact that they spent a lot of time teaching their parents how to use new tech. In that respect, the children are wise and the parents clueless.
They are just so incredibly stupid that they cannot grasp their utter lack of wisdom or understanding.
The roots go deeper than that. I once read two novels from the early 1900's, which at times featured the similar attitude of "young bloods." Among said young-bloods was an apparent feminist character, or "New Woman" as one of the books jokingly called them at times.
The books were "Breath of the Gods" (1905) and "Miss Cherry Blossom of Tokyo" (1905) if one is interested.
Nothing wrong with waiting to find the right person, but don't put yourself in a position where it will be too late. I'm kinda borderline but thankfully found someone.
Not "waiting", looking for the right person. Among the worst advice we hear is "you'll find someone when you're not looking," which is something people think must be wise because it's contradictory. The advice should be, don't just settle for anyone, but keep looking actively.
Or "just be yourself," which is a way for advice columnists (or people who want likes in forums) to flatter the reader while avoiding having to give advice. They never want to tell someone to improve in hard ways: Get more friends, make more money, lose weight, improve your personality, find better ways to meet someone.
@@Paul_Ridgeway Unless you've also got the eternal fountain of youth, you reach a point at which it becomes too much trouble to bother with.
Mike H, I think you have shared some wisdom.
I served in the US Army for 28 years; I was too concerned about how too many marriages ended in divorce! I failed to appreciate how many people I know have successful marriages, despite the difficulties.
Now I am in my 50's, and am unlikely to find a good spouse, and less likely to have children. I was perhaps too prepared to die. It was easier to do my duties, however, I avoided romantic relationships. I didn't want to burden a spouse. I have regrets.
@@paladinsix9285 thank you for your service!!!
@@Grasslander I didn't mean it literally, but alot of young individuals have ruined there lives by marrying the wrong person's who having a child with the wrong person at a young age.
"Biology doesn't care about your ideology." True. At forty a woman realizes she is too old to have children. And she isn't hot anymore, so being treated like a princess at clubs is gone. Then she's looking at decades of boredom and regret. Sex And the City was about misleading women, and when they're older some of them can be led into feminist activism, blaming their problems on men. "How dare men not want me!" Action movies where women live the fantasy of teenage boys, besting every man in sight, mislead them just the same, while mocking men.
Sounds like you all are describing the Star Girl show from a few years ago. The bratty teenage girl is worthy to wield the star staff, but her step-father, with no super powers, literally risked his life to save his superhero friends who were killed by supervillains was not worthy to use the staff.
Come on, (Pat had a really cool, selfbuilt mech! 😉) Star Girl was the best TV series DC produced in years... DID you watch the 3 seasons?
Thanks for the mention of Guillermo's Pinocchio. I just watched it and was blown away. Then I watched the trailer for Strange World. You're dead on: dismal, cookie-cutter Message, right down to the sassy hands-on-hips attitude of one female character. Guillermo's Pinocchio blows all that Neo-Disney crap right out of the water.
If you get the chance have a look at a 2004 Danish film called 'Strings'. The story is typical good versus evil so not super 'deep' but it's all done via animated wooden marionettes with their strings going up into the sky and attached via their hands/legs & heads. If an arm string is cut, they lose that limb, if it's their head string they die. There's an English dubbed version using some known actors. It's really well done and so different as a genre of film. Well worth a watch if you can find it.
It's interesting to cross this discussion with one in Diversity & Comics / Ya Boi Zack on the role of women mocking nerds and geeks for their hobbies. There is a lot more female hostility to geeky hobbies than from men, and the whole rapid maturation is part of it. Women often are pushed to act mature, and somehow get the idea that men able to get away with immature hobbies. It's silly - men can be immature or mature regardless of what their hobbies are, and women who are a bit young at heart can be very attractive to men.
I'm reminded of (I think) A CS Lewis quote about "When I was a child I wanted to be oh so grown up. When I became an adult, I put away childish things, like that desire to be oh so grown up." Or something to that effect.
@@Sorain1 You're right. One additional fun fact about that quote is that Lewis was referencing 1 Corinthians 13:11 when he said that.
Women seem to be annoyed that men can get lost in geeky hobbies (and sports for that matter) while they're cursed to do what way too many women do: spend their lives judging and hating other women. They don't understand why men aren't obsessed with doing the same.
Do young males cling to recklessness and irresponsibility, e.g. as Lost Boys, because we know we will be sent to war, most are expected to be the breadwinner, most cannot not choose to stay home with the kids. Basically a time in life where we can NEVER return to without jeopardizing the lives of people depending on us.
Chairman Mao would be proud of this cultural revolution of "modern thinking" by Disney.
Same people in the background then. Same people now.
Traditionally generations would learn from each other.
I think starting with Gen X, but especially with my generation (yeah...millennials), growing up has been something to avoid rather than embrace. People read "Something Wicked This Way Comes" or "Peter Pan" now and don't get it. Growing up and letting go of childhood is a sad, but necessary part of life. Growing up, getting knowledge, and passing that knowledge gained to others is a GOOD THING. But now the goal is to be young and childish forever.
I extend this, the boomers were just as bad. I look a the amount of money that that generation wasted on things and it's a similar attitude.
I want to be young and childish sometimes but at the same time I know that old age is inevitable.
@@chasehedges6775 But that's exactly the issue isn't it? Believing adulthood is inevitable is not embracing or respecting is it? Childhood is great, and we want to live in it forever. We don't want to grow up, we all just want to be toys 'r' us kids. Starting around the 80s (is my guess) kids don't WANT to grow up anymore. Childhood forever is where it's at.
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I was in my 50’s and was showing some kids how to jump rope. After I got the idea across, I noticed I had a headache from my noggin moving up and down. I realized I could not go on roller coasters anymore. That was sad.
It's because Guillermo's Pinocchio was a passion project. I watched it and the making of special right after. The love and craftsmanship that went into creating all the miniatures and shooting every single camera angle. That's why its beautiful. Marvel and Disney are overworked mega corporations that don't have any liability and responsibility anymore.
I just watched the movie recently, and man, it's no wonder the _Disney_ version from the same year is the one that's already been forgotten.
The stop-motion animation is nothing short of stunning, and the puppet designs are just oozing with personality.
@@EvilDoresh agreed bro
Drinker - is that a PULSE RIFLE on your wall?!?!? That's awesome! Show us sometime on your show!
Despot sounds so northern irish hahaha
Nice to hear a great accent.
What's awful is that I desperatley tried to warn my peers that something was too off, they were way too convinced about what's true and a lie
So if you decide you don't want kids and don't want marriage (cause the odds of lasting happiness aren't that great and it comes with a lot of risk)..is that immature or peter pan syndrome? Or super mature because you're simply not aspiring to check those boxes and milestones that society pushes us towards. I always wonder about that
Peter Pan Syndrom with a side of Dunning-Kruger seems to cover it more or less
@@EvilDoresh interesting but..how does dunning-kruger apply to those people? I don't quite understand
@@mhouston2968 They overstate their capabilities and refuse to see otherwise
Neither, it's just a choice. Asking other people for permission to make that choice is probably a bad idea, we each live our lives for our own differing reasons and passions. If you want to drive a Honda, and someone tells you you're immature if you don't support america by buying a dodge, or you tell them they're immature for not buying the more reliable Honda...it just becomes a pissing contest.
This 'fresh perspective' the younger generation has, do you think it just popped into their heads the day they were born or did someone older, like say a teacher give it to them?
1:18 is literally the reason why my dream of being an animator for games or movies totally died. Even aside from the garbage being made, behind the scenes the workplace environments for these places is just beyond awful.
Main problem imho with my generation is that no one wants to be responsible anymore. We want to eat candies, staying up late, watch violent movies and never, ever deal with the consequences. Spoiled since we were kids, delusional when we have to face reality.
As Thomas Sowell says, "there are no solutions only trade offs" That's adulting unfortunately but if you're a utopian you're probably going to want to ignore that reality and wish upon a star instead...
As a new generation human you're allowed to introduce change to the system, but only after you master the understanding, skills, and philosophies of your predecessors. To be creative, you must master preexisting knowledge.
Listening to 16 year olds tell you what to do (and then forcing you to do it), is the definition of Mao's Red Guards during the Cultural Revolution.
That’s why the DemonRats are intent on targeting children, and are protective of shitty public schools. The younger they’re indoctrinated, the better.
Yoda told Luke how to be as a a Jedi & what the Force is all about, how to be patient & just believe. And initially Luke was just young & stupid, absolutely meaning well, but he failed because he couldn't believe all of those things were possible. And he was emotional & impatient, hence why he went after Vader before being ready to face him with any fighting chance. In TLJ, bloody Rey tells Luke of what he achieved in ROTJ! She wasn't even born yet when it happened, has just learned what the Force is & thought just days ago that Luke was a mere myth. And yet she tells him of what he managed to do. I am not at all against that young people, even kids, can't have good things to say or add or have different perspectives that can even be meaningful. Kids can see the world with far more open eyes because they have imagination still. But that doesn't at all mean they know better or more or have more wisdom or experience. And also discipline & know how to tell right from wrong & not just be guided by emotions. Luke got his ass handed to him in TESB because he was guided by emotions but in ROTJ he succeeded in resisting the Dark Side because he far better, based on life experiences, knew now how to resist & control his emotions instead of them controlling him. But Wonder Rey, Ms Force God herself, just enters the scene & know far better from literary nothing than Luke that had to actually suffer, endure & learn the hard way what it's all about. And they wonder why the Disney trilogy failed. Oh, what a mystery...
It is clearly because Rey knows how to control her emotions Infinitely more because she got cat called.
Contempt for the past was born there, but we can choose to be better. We too often choose to hold on to what we should not and abandon what would set us free.
Bullying needs to return to society, along with allowing boys to fight each other.
Removing obstacles did not help anyone mature, and simply moved the bullies from being peers, to being the teachers.
I have an issue with 1 thing here.
Hitler and his men were never socialist, especially if you judge them by their actions. They were formed by conservative minded people, supported by private entities and they FEARED the mere idea of distributing any wealth or power to the working class.
Also the famous poem will always remind us "FIRST they came for the socialists, and I did not speak up, for I am not a socialist... Then they came for the Communists, then they came for the workers unions, then they came for the jewish, then they came for me..."
I like to remember that even the right wing can sometimes go a little TOO FAR to the right, even if they aren't the source of my problems today.
That would be an epic book/movie to send a young, clueless, modern idealist back to 1930s Germany or the Bolshevik revolution in Russia, and have her throw her support behind the oppressed. Then watch history unfold. To rework a famous line: “You either stop telling the story while you’re the hero, or watch things progress far enough to become the villain.”
“You die a hero or live long enough to become a villain.”
@@chasehedges6775 Yep, that was the original line. I’m not sure if it was original to Harvey Dent in Dark Knight, but it’s where I remember it from.
@@KCBCollier Dark Knight is such a masterpiece