Remember when Wendy sang that lullaby to the boys in Disney's 1953 film? And how she got all the pirates who were listening to reflect, remember and weep for their mothers? That's true feminine power in my humble opinion...
One should not underestimate the power to fuck up a soul. If I didn't know any better, I'd say modern trends are a desperate plot to sabotage that power. I really can't blame anyone if that's the case. Probably the closest thing to actual magic in reality. Like cutting a literal heart string.
Yeah it's like...."Inverse Learning" or something. Like...the more you're taught how to cook, the worse at it you become. Only for Disney it's not cooking, its how to appeal to an audience.
I'll never understand why it's "empowering" for Wendy to slap Peter, but if Peter slapped Wendy he'd be called an abuser. Just don't slap anyone, simple.
Disney figured that since Will Smith got so much attention for slapping Chris Rock, they thought that having them already unlikable protagonist slap one of the background characters would make the movie more popular. Needless to say, they were wrong
How about they just appeal to logic. A 15 year old girl is not going to take on one male pirate let alone a bunch of them. Peter Pan maybe because he can fly and has magic. OK so I have never been a fan of the Peter Pan story in the first place.
Also, in the original story the reason why there were no lost girls is that girls are too smart to get lost. Wow Disney, how can you miss that badly. This whole "girl empowerment" they did in this movie is so bad on its own, but no, let's change something that actually complimented us.
@@steveouk90126they never do they just see a male character then make them weak see a female character remove all the flaws and make them a bland mess and they keep doing it because the so called "modern audience" dose exist but its just stupid people who waste their money and buy into this crap 😂
The scene of her seeing her entire "girlboss" future ending with her dying old and alone is both tragic and absolutely hysterical that in all their creativity, that is what Disney thought would be a successful life
The fact that was her happy thought was hilarious she (disney) literally thinks a happy life is being alone forever and that girls everywhere should aspire to that in life
Well, Disney is part of the conglomerates pushing the idea that a happy woman is a workaholic whore that dies alone surrounded by cats. It's not surprising really.
If it's set in Victorian England then Wendy is truely the greatest clairvoyant of all time. After all she was able to look into the future and see herself flying a plane when they had not even been invented yet. Surprised they didnt have a scene where she showed the Wright Brothers how it was done.
_"Surprised they didnt have a scene where she showed the Wright Brothers how it was done."_ Nah, that part was reserved for Jennifer Lawrence where she played herself. In every movie ever produced now and in the future.
I'm a woman and I have realised one thing, when they want to make a "girl boss" character in a movie they make all the characters except of her stupid and useless. Even in 'Peter Pan and Wendy' in order for Wendy to shine they destroyed Peter Pan's character! Also anyone noticed the camera work???? In every scene Peter Pan looked like a little child while Wendy was filmed in an angle that showcased how heroic and smart she is!
Wendy was already a girl-boss in the book, she was the protagonist for crying out loud, but no movie nowadays would ever portray her that way, because she was too feminine.
@@nope3516 ridiculous fallacy.... I guess woke standards of femininity is being 300kg obese hysterical transgender with purple hair... you for example.
What's not often talked about is the beautiful ending of 1953 Peter Pan. Wendy returns from NeverLand less afraid of growing up to adulthood, AND: her blustery father gets a glimpse of his lost childhood and experiences once more the innocent joy within. What symmetry and balance, speaking to the need to keep one's inner child while not shirking adult responsibilities. I fear that being able to craft these kind of deeper themes and emotions is a lost art with today's producers and network executives.
In the book it ends with Peter coming back to take away Wendy’s daughter, but she won’t let him have her. He doesn’t understand why, because he’s eternally a child with the mind of one, he thinks Wendy is being unreasonable for not allowing him to steal her daughter away and keep her forever.
@@TheDrizzle404 They do but there form of entertainment is spending all day on Twitter getting into ideological flame wars while also trying to ruin peoples lives over perceived wrongs because they just want to make everyone as miserable as they are.
Ya know, for a kid who never grows up and is supposed to be happy and always thinks that everything is some kind of game, even when fighting for his life against Hook, I never once saw Peter laugh or give a full smile throughout the entire movie
to laugh and smile would make someone potentially attractive. they didnt want peter to be attractive in this story. in the cartoon, wendy tinkerbell tiger lilly and the mermaids were all fond of him. here, they wanted him to be weak, sorry, pathetic, emotional, not someone who would be attractive enough for anyone to want to be with or be like . 100% opposite the cartoon. its a shame because this peter is kinda cute.
Never found any evidence for it but the idea once came to my mind that the actor gave a bad performance on purpose because he thought the movie was shit as well
@@FCTH597 being an unknown child actor, being brown AND giving a bad performance on purpose is career suicide lol the director will make you do the scene 100 times until they are happy with it. if the actor is that spiteful he doesn't deserve to work again.
As much as I dislike these remakes, I cant blame the writers. Studios see an opportunity to cash in on an IP and they take it. They hire the first available writer willing to work for low pay on a harsh deadline (which is why lately they are usually so young) The more inexperienced and powerless, the better, so the studios can then meddle and tweak and check their marketing boxes. And now that the writers arent getting any royalties from streaming, its no wonder they are on strike.
It's pretty hard to write content around a concept you have never personally experienced. All the girl boss characters we are getting lately are visions of what these people wish they had instead of antidepressants, failed tinder matches, and college debts.
The zobie simpsons, for me the closest because i barely remember these, is watching the new street figther watching something you care and enjoy transform into something that barely resemble that you love
Maybe it's time to grow up and put aside childish things and stop trying to recreate the feeling of what it felt like the first time you watched a Peter Pan movie??? Maybe you craving that feeling of childhood joy and being unable to find it in adult activities intended for people your age and constantly looking for an inferior hit of nostalgia to replicate it is your personal issue and not Disney's to solve? Maybe kids who have NO IDEA what YOUR Peter Pan is can watch this movie and enjoy it without all your adult baggage and political feelies weighing down their opinions??? Just ya know...maybe?
The fact they saw Wendy, a person who displayed motherly instincts to the lost boys and became the centerpiece for Peter Pan’s moral. And they thought, Wendy didn’t do enough. Really shows the difference between how girls were written then, and how they’re written now.
Additionally, note that Wendy expects her mother to do what Wendy won't - be a mother to the Unlocated Diverse Individuals. *Wendy* can't be bothered with such things in her perfect life, but has no problem expecting her own mother to do so at Wendy's whim.
I think what happened was everyone saw Hermione punch Draco in Prisoner of Azkaban and thought “hell yeah, girl!” But screenwriters (for Disney especially) didn’t understand WHY that moment rocked. First off, Draco actually deserved it. Secondly, the punch felt real and believable. It was something a 13 year old girl could do to a 13 year old boy. Third, it was a *character* moment for Hermione- rule-following, somewhat shy Hermione to stick up to a bully. It demonstrated how she was growing and changing as she got older and spent time with Harry and Ron. She was learning to see when the rules are not the most important thing. Just having the main girl hit one of the main boys does not an awesome moment make.
Thank you! Hermione punching Draco was genuine...It fits...not forced...no agendas...the entire movie wasn't made so she punches him because men/boys are the enemy now Now nobody gives a shit about the movie
@@Bear-sn1ps Fairly sure Harry used the torture curse on Bellatrix. "Crucio" is used on her in the OOTP. Part 5, that is. She screams, falls on the floor and gets up, looking upset. He doesn't have the intend to fully hurt her, so the torture wasn't the usual burninghot knifes through her skin, but it was very unpleasant. They also attack Umbridge (she is paralyzed and slams with her head on the desk) and he makes Hermione fly through the air and land on her back with a defense spell to protect his best friend Ronald, because Hermione tried to attack Ron (because the incel left them, because he thought Hermione didn't like him and he felt that was enough reason to abandon his friends, granted he was feeling upset because of a demonic necklace, but still, the idea that Hermiones crotch didn't belong to him was enough to cause rage and that is sad.) I don't recall anyone getting upset with Harry over this behaviour. Fairly certain he also cut Draco into pieces and got away with that. Sectumsempra. I mean, I like Harry and all, but don't pretend Harry would receive any critisism on hurting women that attacked him.
@@Bear-sn1ps Oh god I feel stupid, your account was made in september 2023, you're a troll. I already wondered why you didn't recall him torturing Bellatrix, but this explains it. Reported.
Disney's obsession with misunderstood villains continues to grate my nerves. There is a reason why disney villains were so beloved and disney itself has forgotten that reason.
Hook is a semi tragic character originally, but unlike the movie 'Hook', this one was simply made a whining and pathetic man-child, and not really a villain, since it was Peter who threw him away and the pirates saved his life
@@jasonagodfrey If Dalmatians pushed your mom over a cliff, skinning 101 puppies and making them into a coat to wear in her memory seems like a sensible course of action and is completely morally justified. You see, she was sad once. Depth.
Only if it is framed by the movie as "abusive monster hits girls". If it's a girl slapping a boy it is only to be framed as "Haha that's what he gets for acting foolish. Go off, sis!"
Feminism: "All we're about is gender equality - why does the idea of women being treated equally to men bother you so much?" Also Feminism: "Of course it's ok for a woman to slap a man but not the other way around! In fact, it's hilarious when a woman does it! Now, would you like a bite of this cake I ate earlier but still have...?"
@@JadeRunner why are you blaming this on feminism as if the movie isn’t literally directed by a man he thought it was okay to have that scene in the movie
@@444tatiana modern feminist strayed from the values of equality and shifted to more of we want equal but we also want to keep the benefits of being a woman equal pay for less work, and more benefits.
I loved how disney just thought “You know what? Let’s have Wendy slap peter so it can be proved even further that she’s a girl boss and that way girls can think it’s okay to assault guys! We’re gonna make billions off of this!”
As a woman, what really makes me angry about all these 'girl-boss ' movies is the fact that wanting a family, being a mother etc is seen as weakness. A lot of young girls dream about that, I did. Did that stop me dreaming about growing up to be a vet? No, because, here's a news flash for you, you can be a mother and a successful career woman at the same time. I know, what a shocking revelation that is.
That's probably the most hypocritical thing about the Girlboss narrative. They say "We must uplift women and say that they're as valid as men", but when a woman is content to be a stay at home mom? "You've been brainwashed by the patriarchy", "You're a stupid housewife", "You're a bimbo", etc. It's a narrative about how women can choose who they want to be, but then puts down women who want to be stay at home moms. Very contradictory and, ironically, sexist.
Also, they want women to hate men. But all girls have a father, grandpa and many of them will have a son. This is so crazy. Western population is declining because of lack of children. The propaganda should aim to promote traditional family. What is the goal of this? We will have "strong" girl bosses that nobody likes with no children. Even now the society is a mess, and it will be worse, thanks to these movies
A little bit debatable. Like are you really a mother if someone else has to raise your kids must of the day for five days a week? But yes, I saw this one young woman who is a police officer, and a seemingly quite capable one, not hard on the eyes, said she had six children. That's pretty impressive.
On top of everything else, it bothers me that they broke a decades long tradition and got separate actors for Hook and Mr. Darling. They've always traditionally been played by the same actor because Hook represents everything Wendy and the boys despise about the idea of growing up and they initially see those qualities reflected in their father. But when they return to London, they see him as a real person and that growing up isn't all that bad. Their perspective of their father has softened and they no longer see him as the villain. But Disney doesn't have anyone in any of their departments who understands the old stories they're paid to ruin.
My wife was really excited to watch this. It took about 46 seconds for her to say “what’s goin on here?” And she kept saying it wasn’t right. We watched about 8 minutes and went to find the original.
To be honest its on her to think Disney could ever do this movie justice. Although doing something justice and shitting the bed are completely different things.
The worst thing I find about the dialog at 2:54 is the complete shutdown of the questioning of the name 'Lost Boys'. She makes a good point of saying you're not all boys so why call yourselves 'lost boys'. The counter argument is just an aggressive 'so?' and based on that single word alone Wendy shuts down her curiosity and thinking brain and just says 'it doesnt matter' what a wonderful thing to teach kids!
Anyone else notice how much physically smaller Peter is than Wendy? Not so subtle imagery from Disney, audiences aren’t allowed to form their own emotions or opinions anymore
Honestly might be the only accurate thing in middle school all the girls were taller than most of the boys since they hit puberty quicker so a 12 year old boy would look like the little brother of a 12 year old girl
@@Nele-vg7js Idk might just be me but in middle school a lot of the girls were taller than the boys since they hit puberty sooner. Then high school came and the boys were taller and bigger than the girls.
Not a very fair point. In the original 1924 film, Wendy was also taller than Peter Pan by a few little inches. They even made a joke about how Peter was like Napoleon when he beat Captain Hook, since he’s shorter in comparison to Wendy. Though, if you knew the cast of the 1924 film, you’d know that Peter Pan was played by a girl instead of a boy, as to make Peter look as young and cutesy as possible. The 1924 version was still many times better than the 2023 version, and in my personal opinion, better than the 1953 version as well, which everyone knows more than the 1924 film. It’s the very FIRST Peter Pan film, and despite being a silent black and white film, it managed to capture and bring out the essence of the story of Peter Pan and Never Never Land. I don’t know if other modern adaptions call it Never Never Land, though. The 1953 version sure didn’t if I remember correctly, but the original name was Never Never Land and not just Neverland.
A story about the difficulties of growing up written by people who never had to. I truly wonder what it feels like to write characters so devoid of, well character.
Which is why hook made such a great sequel since it tackled those same themes, but from the adult end of things with Peter being so focused on work that he lost all sense of childish wonder and wasn’t there for his kids.
The best live action movie version of Peter Pan is “Peter Pan” 2003. It sticks to the book really well, has good actors, decent effects for the time, great visuals, and likable developed characters. All the ingredients for a good movie…Something Disney has seemed to forget about completely.
thank you for mentioning this! this one had the best hook & pan (jason isaacs & jeremy sumpter played them to the T) Hook 1991 is another honorable mention
I was an 80s baby, so I was raised on Hook with Robin Williams and Dustin Hoffman. Haven’t seen this 2003 one, but I would have to argue that nobody could do those roles better than those actors. Might be too scary for my kids though, so I’ll have to look into this one you mention.
Captain Hook being a former "Lost Boy" who unable to find his mother and returns to Neverland as an adult, and finding he does not fit in and longing for simpler times is a fascinating take. Too bad Disney couldn't find it in their hearts to hire a writer or director who could actually do something interesting with that concept.
I know right. Having been raised by pirates he couldn've had a truck load of Truma and returning to a place he felt safe only to be rejected would be enough to turn anyone into a villian.
So Hook is just a lost little boy looking for his mommy. Yeah, that's fascinating. Really takes the edge of the villain aspect and emasculates him like a good progressive.
@@olliefoxx7165 Hook *was* a lost boy looking for his mother, he's now a man burdened with growing without his family or friends in a band of pirates, wanting revenge on peter pan since he feels peter's the cause
@@olliefoxx7165 A competent writer could make his story more tragic than pathetic. Instead of not being able to find her, maybe he finds her in her dying days and he can't save her and now he hates Peter for wasting the time he could have had with his mother. There are plenty of ways to make it interesting and thought provoking, but of course you decided to straw man it with the most pathetic possible take.
The woke tend to lack heart, so don't assume the wokesters of the Disney Co, including Robert Iger, give a damn about both compassion & being interesting.
@@PapaEmeritusII Hey, as long as she's not "trapped in the prison of the kitchen" or doing some fuckin man's laundry, right? Fucking hell, do I ever hate the left.
You made a great point about Wendy. The whole point of the story of Peter Pan is an allegorical personification of the struggle between boyhood and manhood. Peter is the perpetual boy. He never grows up, he just wants to have fun. He is the epitome of “failure to launch.“ That’s why the Lost BOYS are such an important aspect of the story. Even Wendy’s brothers get caught up in their adolescent shenanigans. It makes no sense for girls to be part of that group, because girls are inherently different, and it is that difference that saves Peter in the end. It takes Wendy’s maturity and maternal instinct to help the boys to grow into men. Without it, they grow into Captain Hook, (who is always played [at least in the plays] by the same actor who plays Mr. Darling, incidentally). Captain Hook is the villain because, as you said, he represents all of the horrible things that adults are capable of. And more to the point of the story, he represents the rough, overbearing father of Wendy and her brothers. But it is her feminine characteristics and qualities that complement the boys’ roughness and impetuous behavior, helping them to grow up into good men. In fact, in the movie Hook, Peter Pan’s daughter makes this observation when she screams at Captain Hook, “You need a mother, very, very badly!” All that to say, modern Disney has no idea what this story is about and it’s clear. If you want to watch a live action Peter Pan adaptation, go find the one that was made back in 2003 with Jason Isaacs as Captain Hook.
I love how when they changed some of the lost boys to be girls it actually insults girls more it is said that the reason why girls don’t get captured in the original is because they’re too smart
And they'll disregard the entire fact they didn't even attempt to review the source material while continuing to virtue signal. Completely ignorant to the fact they look foolish.
I'm a bit disappointed to not see many comments mentioning the 2003 Peter Pan version. Although far from perfect, I find it actually the best version of Peter Pan I've seen because it has the balance between the original story while also incorporating a few "modern" factors to it. Maybe it's mainly my childhood nostalgia and subjective view but I really really love everything about that film. From characters, actors, script, beautiful visuals to the magical music
The 2003 Peter Pan is the best film adaptation, because it stays true to the source material while remaining palatable. Wendy is the main character, not Peter. It's about *her* journey in this transitional period of her life from child to young adult, and Peter represents the wrong path. Growing up sucks, but not growing up is *hell.*
I loved that part where the croc swallowed hook in whole. You could see the fear in his eyes while eventually accepting his fate anyways. Still though I prefer the original cartoon cuss it's funny af to see Hook falling into it's mouth and escaping multiple times, something that can only happen in a classic disney cartoon 🤣
you are totally right. Best version ever. Not only "far from perfect" - as you wrote. It is near to perfection, with great actors, magical music and visuals. The cartoon version stands for it's own. But the chemistry between Jeremy Sumpter and Rachel Hurd-Wood in the 2003 version is touching. A treasury and very underestimated.
The entire freaking point of the lost boys is to show how boys need a mother to teach them to be empathetic and caring to go along with the lessons their father teaches them to be protective and a leader. It’s a movie that promotes the need for both parents and shows how you need them both to raise children. Making them “lost individuals” ruins this idea by creating an imbalance of genders. I don’t understand why Disney did this… oh wait… yea I do
would have been a funny trope subversion if they got caught in never land trying to be assertive girl bosses that but heads and have to learn how to work together and they the world doesn't revolve around you to escape.
I liked the part when Robin Williams played an older Peter who forgot how to have fun and has a whole original story that stays faithful to Peter pan and is great for everyone to watch
I knew this movie would have no redeeming qualities at all once I learned that there are other girls living in Neverland with Peter, defeating literally the entire purpose of him taking Wendy to Neverland in the first place.
They did that in that animated spin-off 'Jake And The Neverland Pirates' All the time I remembered thinking, "Why is there a girl in Neverland? And what the hell did they do to Captain Hook?!"
What strikes me as the most interesting takeaway of all this is that Wendy flies because of all the cool things she gets to do, but an older Peter in Hook, played by Robin Williams, learns to fly again because of the memories of his children. There's no noble cause, just self interest which, coincidentally, older Peter ALSO had to move on from.
As a woman I have to say I’m getting so tired of this forced female empowerment at all costs trope. It’s like they put a woman as the main character and make her the strongest, smartest, bravest, etc out of all other characters and the woman lead has no faults. It just feels like pandering and to check a diversity/inclusivity box. They almost always have a poorly written dialogue and zero personality that don’t make them even likable characters. People have forgotten that you can write a good female lead without it feeling forced and cheap. One of my favorites is Ellen Ripley from Alien. I miss female leads like that. I hope eventually directors and script writers will figure out most women hate these characters and will stop writing them like that and give us some good female leads again.
I worry about the adults these kids films are creating by only showing "perfect" women that they can never be. Ripley showed us that women were human and if you dig deep you might just win against all the odds.
Now that Universal/Nintendo had a good Disney-crushing with the Super Mario Bros. Movie, they should do a slightly more adult IP movie with space opera/survival story Metroid, and female hero Samus Aran. She knows fear and loneliness and isolation and yet she still does her job. I bet Universal could get it right.
@@jeremiahbrewer6115 not to mention that Universal's also got DreamWorks, and that we've also got Warner Bros on the new TMNT movie as well. Disney100 gonna be a disaster, save for Elementals and maybe, perhaps just maybe, Wish
It's funny how today's writers try to sell the idea that you should die working, because the most thing in your life should be to complete the reports to accounting by Friday, instead of having children and take care of them, this is full sunk cost for them
Wait so that was real so the idea of acomplishment is die alone, wioutha single member of your family there, i mean i am tinking that but not because i want to, but ding alone after acomplishing what, yes you got a ton of money but you are alone miserable, and she didint even have a cat, so what, she manage nothing
Because women must be more than mothers and wives...so let's spit on that and show what a wonderful life is being succesful and love nothing but your work... pretty desolate view by a desolate company
The first movie I ever saw at the cinema was Bambi, in 1976, when I was four years old. It is utterly depressing that I have lived long enough to see this company - which was once magical to me - sink to the base, cynical levels which it exemplifies today. All those moments lost in time, like tears in rain.
(I'm a woman) The craziest thing about all these "girl-boss" characters is how anti feminine they are. There are many ways to be a woman. To be more gentle and feminine isn't WRONG. Taking every female character and removing anything feminine about them, making them as masculine as possible, is an insult. You can still be strong and independent while also being caring and gentle. Plus, as you mentioned, all these "girl-bosses" are identical from each other. It's the same cookie-cutter, bland, over powered character over and over again. I can only take so much before I want some variety! Again, every woman is different, and they can be written in many different ways! Lastly, this wave of "girl-power" movies I notice have created an opposite effect on society from the past. This massive wave of children's movies featuring only female leads is creating a void of movies that little boys can enjoy, with role models they can look up to. I believe that if the media is good enough, all genders can enjoy it. However, that is no excuse to take a franchise with a predominantly popular male lead and dumb them down, disgrace them, or flat out remove them from said media. Imagine if you took a popular franchise featuring a female lead and make them male? Everyone would hate that! We can't keep having these double standards! Wendy physically assaulting Peter over *nothing* is the realization of what im talking about. A real feminist doesn't want the right to assault men. They want equal respect so no one needs to hit anyone.
I didn't even see any Pan movie ever but this is insane, because the originals actually seem to have a better and more feminist message than this: the father is clearly a worse parent than the mom, at least first, the bad guy is a man and Peter has negative traits and needs Wendy to grow, and she's a better person there. The lost boys are all boys not because of some 'we don't need no women amongst us lads' type of thing, but because the author thought that boys are more reckless and unresponsible than girls, therefore he literally thought young boys to be less developed than girls. This is completely missing here. From a point of view the whole meaning of the story is that boys need girls to show them an example of maturity, ergo women elevate men, and men are worse without women. Funnily this readily made feminist message is lost on Hollywood.
Very insightful point. What is feminism, is it treating men and women as equals, or is it making women pick up all the characteristics of men until there is no difference.
I often find myself thinking that the modern storytellers are far more misogynistic than the stories they excoriate. They take an actress, slot her into a male role, with every male trait turned up to 11 because the only thing that matters is that she kicks ass. It's like they want to win some imaginary battle between the sexes, and in pursuit of that victory, they'll happily jettison every softer, nurturing female trait. They really don't seem to like women. (And Wendy slapping Peter is the whole point. I think people are just taking notice because they're children.)
@ronaldbell7429 All of this 100%! I can kinda see where people come from when they complain about the older fairytales. However, I primarily remember being bothered by them when I was in middle/highschool because I was at the height of my "not like other girls" phase. Now that I'm an adult, I can see how damaging that mindset is. Every girl is an individual! Every girl is "not like other girls." That includes those that indulge in femininity, love dresses for the aesthetic, are nurturing by nature, would rather be a stay at home mother, etc. There is no "right" way to be a woman, but making every role model basically a butch archetype is probably not ideal. Little girls need variety so they can see themselves represented in ways that aren't strictly physical. And little boys shouldn't be left in the dust with this new movement. It's all so hypocritical.
@@calumzmemez5075 in the 2003 version no. They had to keep remaking the window cause the boy playing Peter kept outgrowing it. Only live action version I’ll accept
Always giving so selflessly to sacrifice for our sanity. The bonfire of the vanities that the industry has become makes me weep for the future of filmmaking. So help me, if they destroy Oppenheimer I’m going to war. After reading American Prometheus and learning that Nolan was directing, and Murphy was starring, I’ve been so hyped. But I’ve learned to temper my expectations where this group of misfits is concerned.
It's in everyone's ignored list. The woke media, the rest of media, even Disney. Straight to D+ is as close to an admission of - this movie is shite - as you can get.
I'm honestly surprised that Tiger Lilly and Wendy didn't end up together. It's what "modern audiences" would have wanted to spice up this dumpster fire.
@@smokingcrab2290 They might use Peter's emptied skull as a candle-holder. In some "advanced" groups that's probably already called "well deserved justice".
Love the part where they just throw in a plane in Wendy's vision of her adult life, and don't stop to think for even a moment that planes might not have been invented before the Peter Pan show, nor that the planes wouldn't be made like that back then.
You could just look it up. The first Peter Pan play was in 1904, 1 year after the Wright brothers' first flight. And the book was written in 1911 which was 2 years after the first war plane was made. So you could argue the model of plane is a little off, but that could be chalked up to Wendy imagining the future, which might not be representative of reality.
Yeah, the Wright brothers' flight was only a year before the Peter Pan play debuted. So this bit would only make sense if she was seeing her actual future, rather than what she wanted to do in her future. But if that's what happened, then how did she get this sudden power? And considering this glimpse of her future had a contraption she wouldn't know about, then why wouldn't she be confused rather than like "Yasss this is what I want to do!"
@@xitaris5981 I'd love to see a girl boss version of the first world war where women are being blown to pieces in the trenches etc. I wonder what that would look like.
The version of the play (by J. M. Berrie) that Disney originally adapted was set in the 1950s-1960s, after the first 2 world wars. So Wendy would have known about planes at that time as due to being set in London she would have heard stories about the RAF from her family, friends, and at school. The original story was set in 1903, the same year the Wright Brothers flew their first successful flight which made international news, so it would still be possible for Wendy to know of planes at least in concept.
I would have loved it if they'd named it "Wendy, Tiger Lilly, Tinker Bell & the lost diverse individuals - feat. special guest appearances from someone pretending to be Peter Pan" 😅
I actually didn't realize that she was thinking about her older self when I saw the movie till I saw this video and that she actually thought of herself dying! I was like, "Sheesh! She must be braver at dying than I thought!" XD There are people out there in this world who accept dying or want to actually die alone just to not scare anybody but it's very hard to believe that a child can do that but who knows really? It's a big world out there. Lol
One of my favorite movies of all time is Spielberg's 1991 pseudo-sequel to Peter Pan, Hook. It's not without its flaws, sure, but it felt like a genuine expansion and exploration of the existing and established characters and how they would supposedly behave in that given scenario and it's done pretty well.
Loved Hook as a kid. Robin Williams played “both” Peters perfectly; and then merged both extremes into the adult Peter Pan that has kids and responsibilities . It had a good story with the importance of parents love and attention to children’s development. It was funny, action packed and serious when it needed to be. Showed it to my kids; watching their smiles of wonderment and laughter at the movie; brought me back to my own childhood. Love that movie.
It had faults, sure, but only Robin Williams could pull of boyish wonder. Julia Roberts, however, was a bad casting decision, and they made Peter a real a-hole at the beginning of the movie. He needed a character arc, sure, but not that drastic.
In the 2003 Peter Pan, I loved how soft, smart and feminine Wendy was and yet so cool. That was definitely my favourite Wendy and Peter Pan, they’re chemistry as-well was unmatched and the director stuck to the damn storyline. Felt the magic through the screen as I watched it as a kid, I was also totally jealous of Wendy 😂 obviously grown out of that now though.
When I saw it in theaters I cried bc it was so magical looking and I felt drawn into a world where I may never grow up. Now I cry bc we will never get magical movies like that at this rate. So sad to see the company who introduced me to my favorite story fall so far
Except old animated characters like that are usually all heterosexual, cisgender and white. And if they're not, they're hateful and offensive stereotypes
@@fuzzyotterpaws4395 So a story about children in victorian England is wrong for having the characters be white and straight? Those two are the majority by a large margin and were an even larger majority back then
@FuzzyOtterPaws, oh wow you mean a nation largely inhabited by normal white straight people made some art that represents them? My God, I can't imagine living such a miserable and pathetic life as you. Always having meltdowns and gaslighting yourself into being offended over what's normal and harmless. Living by made up words in the chaotic world of identity politics. Always having to change everything till it's completely destroyed because somehow the worst possible rendition of something is what actually satisfies your bizarre sensibilities.
Another great quality about Wendy in the supposedly "problematic" original animated version is that she makes for a very strong voice of morality. This is especially shown in the climax. She, her brothers, and the Lost Boys have all been taken captive by the Pirates, and given an offer to either sign a contract and join the Pirates, or walk the plank. Wendy not only quickly chooses the plank, but she actually admonishes the boys for even thinking about choosing the alternative, and convinces them to change their minds on the matter and prepare to accept their fates with dignity (Partly because they have faith that Pan is going to save them before they end up fish food, admittedly, but that'sbesides the point). That is real moral courage right there. That is an example of a kind of strength that these woke movies and shows tend to forget about.
@@bradleymarshall5489 I think it is. I believe that the Wokies have developed a VERY narrow definition of what strength can really mean, especially when applied to female characters. They feel like the only form of strength, or at the very least the only form of it that's good for anything, is sheer physical strength/ fighting skills. In fact, strength can come in many forms, such as (As I pointed out with Wendy) the moral strength to stick by your convictions and do what's right even when doing so could cost you your life.
I'm honestly disturbed by Wendy slapping Peter Pan. In an age when children seem to be becoming more violent and unhinged by the day due to a lack of good morals being taught to them, this is bastardization of beloved characters on a whole new level.
And honestly it’s a terrible message for children. It honestly should be just as unacceptable for women to slap men as it is for men to slap women, but we don’t treat it this way.
Disney understands the villains so well and rewrites them into tragic, misunderstood anti-heroes because Disney IS the villian now and can relate more to the villian than the hero.
At least Jude Law hook as the newest misunderstood antihero adds some "diversity" to the mostly female antiheroes they have now. Now a man is allowed to join the girls club!
I loved the part where I refused to take my kids to see any current-era Disney movies and changed our family vacation plans to not include Disneyworld.
I love how basically no one in the comments has watched this film. We just let Drinker suffer for us, and gratefully watch his much better 11 minute video.
As an arrogant, close-minded male myself, I used to dismiss all the old Disney movies to my friends and family to affirm my toxic masculinity when I was a young adolescent😂. Now, after finally growing TF up and no longer caring so much about what people think of me, along with seeing this modern garbage that is 2020s Disney, I dropped that front I used to put up and can’t help but exclaim that those old Disney Animated Films are some of the greatest in cinema history! And it’s because the storytelling and lessons learned from them are absolute masterclass.
Heyo!, Boyhood adolescence and being able to outgrow toxic masculinity is the areas they could easily have explored with this story, but in order to do that you would need writers with talent that gives a damn. Captain hook and his pirates could have been used as examples of what would happen if the lost boys grow up with no mother figure. Maybe they would end up as insecure, lecherous man-children hell-bent on power, trinkets and riches.
Peter Pan wasn't my favourite Disney classic or anything, but I vividly remember the scene where Wendy walks off the plank with her head held high and thinking the child-equivalent to 'that's badass'. Characters can be both feminine and strong, they can be strong without demeaning the male characters, they can affect change and move the story along without running headlong into danger. I'm so sick of these 'modern' retellings!
I went to the pictures to watch that when it came out with my best friend when I was 6. Seen it so many times over the years. It takes me back to simpler times but it only as you get older and you get to know the actors, you see what they brought to the roles. Hoffman as Hook was a splendid choice, the man's got an amazing acting range! Williams as Peter Pan.... could you imagine anybody else playing the role of a boring middle aged man who so easily played a kid in an adult's body?!
@@MrBaldypete1 If anyone hasn't seen it yet, go watch The Midnight Cowboy. This is one of Hoffman's best (if not * the * best) performances, and you will hardly forget the ending, which is truly heartbreaking.
Nah, that's stuborness. Insanity is thinking that you can manipulate reality to benefit your own disposition. So in that, Disney is both stubborn & insane...
I am currently rewatching all disney movies in the order of their production, and it stricked me how much the new changes actually influence the movies. The main difference is that the new versions of old characters almost never make mistakes, and thus, they never have to learn. More over - whenever smth bad happens to them, it's not their fault, it's because other characters made smth bad. The most stricking example for me (as I will only talk about those disney movies that I currently watched the older versions of) is the Pinokio. All of the lessons of this story were literally thrown away. I bet anyone to find a single thing that pinokio actually does wrong in a new version... he "magically " grows up and learns how to be a true boy by... random things happening to him?
The part where Wendy said "But you aren't all boys", and they all replied in unison "Did you just assume our gender?" really had me in tears. Truly a diverse modern masterpiece
I think the scene where Peter talks to Hook, and stares straight ahead, saying in a very omnious way "I know what school and what class-room you go to". Its a good scene but its also a bit distasteful with all the school-shootings, but I think he implies pranking him or something, still, its powerful.
Let's not forget the original Wendy was defiant in the face of overwhelming odds, and even walked the plank to her assured death while the others watched. She didn't have a trick up her sleeve; just hope and courage for her brothers and friends.
The way we got one of my favorite live action remakes in 2003, which just happened to be Peter Pan, and exactly 20 years later we get this... We're evolving backwards.
When is Disney going to realize that they don’t need to change the every woman in their stories into an invincible character that’s stronger than everyone else. Your description of the original Wendy and how they changed her is exactly why I didn’t even give this remake a chance. Her role and what she symbolized in the animated movie was an essential part of the story in my opinion.
Yes! She was the actual Main Character, the one facing change and being afraid and the one who changes and learns. It's a good story, as we so often find underlying our childhood favorites.
No one can rise above their base worldview. Since Disney is completely sold out to the spirit of the age, it is not so much that they will not, but that they cannot.
It was the lost boys because according to the original book "girls are too smart to get lost" lmao also the idea of Wendy being the only girl amongst lost boys was extremely important to the story because Peter took Wendy to Neverland to be a mother and caretaker to the boys . Also in the book Wendy does take the kids to be adopted by her parents so that one is accurate.
Your first sentence implies that the girls in the lost boys are dumb af. It doesn't help that they're black as well. Disney is a turd that's refuse to getting flushed down the toilet
Wendy is the heroine of the story for sure! Not because she’s succeeding at out-masculine the boys, but because she is a girl and what that brings to the table! Woke Disney is the worst Disney.
Making every villain have a tragic backstory, and saying "Oh they're just misunderstood" is honestly an insanely dangerous message to teach kids. There are bad people in the world, truly evil people in fact, but teaching kids that the villains and bad people of the movies they watch are just misunderstood and tragic characters, is gonna give them a terrifyingly skewed world view of what bad people are.
Raison d'etre is fine argument to understand villain. But the problem is Disney dont have any important moral message meaning even the protagonist have no idea to adhere to (who would teach child to slap opposite gender as alright otherwise)
@@oftin_wong You are derailing the argument. Do you really think people, kids watch Disney movies and think "it's business"? There's a reason why shows and movies have ratings. It's Disney's responsibility to produce shows and movies that won't give a wrong view of the world, especially when their target audience are kids! Yes it's the parents responsibility BUT studios like Disney should also be responsible!
I lost all respect for this Wendy when she breaks a mirror while playing with her brothers and then blames them when confronted. She shows no remorse and even doubles down, making her appear more like a miserable angsty bully.
Thank you SO MUCH Drinker for pointing out the "future montage" and how it was devoid of family and relationships. It was at this point that the film fully unveils the purpose for their butchery of this classic story. When all that matters is your internal understanding of self and a mission and purpose of self-actualization, there is no room for others and therefore no room for true and lasting meaning. What was meant to be an inspiring montage of something to look forward to, it instead showed the vapid and empty future for all people that go down that path.
Funny how that stands in such a complete contrast to "Hook." where it turns out that the great thing about growing up for Peter, was being a DAD! It was worth for him to leave Neverland, BECAUSE of his kids, BECAUSE he's a dad now. That's what gives his life meaning now, that's what enabled him to finally fly. Knowing he's a dad! And it was an actually emotional moment, and we felt attached to the characters. Now? It's just so empty and vapid.
You dont need a man or relationships to be happy. Dying alone as a girl boss is way more rewarding. Raising a family is a patriarchal plot to enslave women. /s
The sole purpose of movies like this is now not to watch them, but rather to watch Drinker and others on youtube make fun of them while we all collectively point and laugh together 😂😂
So far into this brilliant deconstruction, I found that the drinker missed the part where while practice sword fighting with her brothers, where she is the bestest gurl eva, Wendy breaks a mirror AND THEN BLAMES HER BROTHERS FOR IT. Truly, a shining beacon of girl bossness. Not something that makes her a villain at all
Girlboss Rule #2: A girlboss must not have any weaknesses, even to the detriment of a girlboss character. Remember, a girlboss's character IS girlboss, as well as "powerful," "strong," and obviously "independent."
I read an article about how in older productions they would always cast Hook and Mr Darling as the same actor. The idea being that Hook represented her fear of a tyrannical father figure and getting older and it lends itself to the idea that Wendy isnt totally sure whether Neverland was real or all a dream. Lol they took that out too. Wouldnt want anyone thinking or anything else that could be dangerous
My favorite silly criticism of old Disney films is that Alice and Wendy have the same face and thats an artistic error because of misogyny or something. In reality Disney used real actors in real costumes acting out the scenes in front of a camera, so they could use them as reference to their drawings. And the real life actress of both Alice and Wendy was the same girl, thats why they share the same face.
Wow. As someone with prosopagnosia, I genuinely thank you for letting me know it also extends to animated characters. I had NO idea they had similar faces. Lol Edit: I wanted to add: awesome trivia btw!! Thanks for sharing it!
How dare they use the same facial features for the leading lady when they were hand-drawing hundreds of thousands of pictures to create two full-length movies!! That's so lazy and anti-woman!
yet more sjw bullshit. dont believe me. they reused erics face for aladdins. im not kidding. they just took the same guy, made him scrawnier and a little swarthier, gave him messy hair and made him dress like a 9th century suicide bomber
Actually though, it is not unheard of to be an older woman who isn't married and is still happy. There are many males out there who are not married and don't want to be. Why does everyone HAVE TO be with someone? It doesn't mean you're more worthy or valuable. Many people today are maturing and choosing differently than generations past. Wouldn't you like to be an old person? Or is the alternative more to your liking? Not sure why you think there's anything wrong with laying on a couch since males spend quite a good portion of their lives laying on couches and eating chips and playing videos games. You'd think you'd celebrate that.
@@user-dd5eh5lu3o while I agree with you don't have to be in a relationship to be happy, it just don't fit their own story. Come home with me and live with my family and be happy growing up and oh by the way I'll ditch you all as fast as I can once I'm older. That thought will be a strong enough happy thought to allow her to fly?
@@user-dd5eh5lu3oNobody said people have to be in relationships hell people in relationships die alone due to spouse and family death. This is just the writer's pouring their modern mindset into a character that wouldn't align with such beliefs.
One detail sticks out like a sore thumb, and that's when Wendy bitch-slaps Peter. That's child abuse, and the studio execs should have realized that. Why was that left in, do you think?
You're taking the garbage that disney puts out and turning it into an entertaining 11 minute video that i will gladly watch. You're providing a valuable public service to all of us "non modern audience" members. Thank you
You know who's the "modern audiences" they're always stressing? Those are the future audiences they will indoctrinate with all this crap they're forcing. They don't exist in the majority yet but more push on the media might do the magic. "reinvisionist history" is a slow corruption. It's an overton window that sadly and disturbingly we're witnessing nowadays they're trying to normalize.
There's something profoundly uncanny about seeing a fantasy children's story portrayed in such a cold, desaturated modern cinematic style. EDIT: that shot of Wendy dying alone on a couch in a luxury home is hilarious.
I honestly had no idea this movie existed...the algorithms must be working. Thanks for the beautiful reminder of what is so lovely about the original characters!
As a grandfather, Disney is missing two vital ingredients, color and fun. Both this movie and the Litle Mermaid look dark and dreary, Super Mario looks bright and colorful. As a grandparent who does not read reviews, I know what movie I would be taking the kids to see
you can see the respect for Mario as an icon in that movie, even with the changed voice actor, while Disney only sees these live action remakes as tools to extend a copyright time limit and a tool to market real social issues as a means to make profit
I always thought Wendy was supposed to be the mother to the lost boys. Like thats why Peter kidnapped her in the first place. Because the boys were lost and needed a mother to look after and love and guide them.
Yes, and as Peter explains in the original story, the reason there are no Lost Girls is because "girls are far too clever to fall out of their prams" (that being how baby boys end up becoming Lost Boys). I guess not letting girls be as stupid as boys would be "non-inclusive". Or something.
I love that a girl from Victorian London dreams of flying an aeroplane (specifically a design from the 1920's or '30's) when the Wright Brothers wouldn't even make their maiden flight (in a craft that was basically made of canvas and balsa wood) until about two years after the death of Queen Victoria
what you dont know is that the aeroplane that the brothers wright made was actually stolen from the sisters blight, who wouldve been the first aeronauts ever if it werent for those horrible men stealing their plans and keeping them down.
flying was a big deal when the book was written because there were no airplanes. also reminds me of the simpsons (actual simpsons, 1989 - 97, not modern "simpsons") where sideshow bob steals an h bomb to try to destroy the town and when krusty is hiding in/behind a shack in the middle of a desert hes wondering what the fucking holdup is because the plane is so slow. and when it slightly bumps into the shack it just stops working without really getting damaged before an abrams runs it over
I have always looked up to Wendy as a child. She's confident but not aggressive. She's kind and polite but she can stand up for herself. And she never thought of herself as better than anyone in Neverland. She has a nurturing nature that inspired child me to be the same. She was like the model older sister I wish I would become. I mean the classic Wendy of course. I don't know who this new "Wendy" is...
Message to Hollywood: Stop trying to reframe villains as misunderstood outcasts. It worked for Wicked, when it was an original idea, now its just a meme.
To be fair, there is an awesome novel called "Lost boy" that reimagines Hook as a lost boy and Peter Pan as a psychopath cult leader. Making Hook the anti hero can work, if written by talented writers.
My take on 'Wicked' was it's simply a framework for bad pop music, cashing in on another classic. Musical Theatre is dead. 'Hamilton' is all the proof one needs...
@@Ronnet Yes, I read that...and Disney did it far better with Once Upon A Time. Peter Pan actually is quite creepy; he was known to 'cull' the Lost Boys.
Sending a message is more important. The product failing is just as good for them because it works as demoralization. "We got your favorite IPs and we can destroy them if we want"
8:28 "Because as anyone who went through high school knows, adolescent girls are famous for their ability to get along and support each other!" As soon as my wife heard that, she began that mocking laughter at the same exact time as the laughter clip in the same exact manner, without any provocation. I lost it, I couldn't stop laughing, still can't lol. Even my wife saw that bull crap a mile away, even if she wasn't all that involved. She knew, she just knew lol.
I just rewatched the 2003 version. It was beautiful, funny, magical, good characters, everything this movie is not. When Peter got wounded by Hook at the Black Castle, for the rest of the movie you can see that scar. The fairies were beautiful and GLOWED, music was fantastic, there was character growth. One shot from that movie had more color than this entire movie combined
Funny thing is, in that movie also Wendy sword fights and has 'boyish' traits as one might expect growing up with brothers. But it doesn't subtract from her feminine and motherly traits either. She's basically what the Disney version wanted to and failed to make.
Wait, in the original story, weren't the Lost Boys boys because only little boys are that STUPID? It WAS! "There are no "lost girls" because, as Peter explains, girls are far too clever to fall out of their prams." So them diversifying the cast of Lost Boys is actually a self-own, they changed the source to make girls STUPIDER. Great work as always Moden Disney.
I have found that whenever I have, in the real world or on line, said something that either means “women are too sensible to design something that bad/ do something that foolish/ etc.” there will ALWAYS be a feminist who finds that a mortal insult. Sometimes a group of ‘em.
the boys are meant to be extensions of Peter's own boyishness, and they are all stunned when Wendy arrives, a girl, and shows them compassion and nurturing that girls are usually naturally better at. Wendy is admired by them and kind of gets all the boys to have a crush on her. Lost "Boys" absolutely matter for the Peter Pan story.
The only "girl power" that I can accept is Elizabeth Swan in Pirates of Caribbean. Because she is feminine, smart and brave. She is not overly "bad ass" and not "overly masculine" nor is she the "i dont need a man" type
@@Phoebeolly98765 I think I did mentioned there the word "overly". Meaning the portrayal of badass or independence in the annoying, hyperbolic, forced way. Nobody likes that.
Remember when Wendy sang that lullaby to the boys in Disney's 1953 film? And how she got all the pirates who were listening to reflect, remember and weep for their mothers? That's true feminine power in my humble opinion...
One should not underestimate the power to fuck up a soul. If I didn't know any better, I'd say modern trends are a desperate plot to sabotage that power. I really can't blame anyone if that's the case. Probably the closest thing to actual magic in reality. Like cutting a literal heart string.
No no no! Being a badass is the only feminine power. Caring, love, and intelligence have nothing to do with it! LOL.
Feminists only value masculine traits.
@@dandiehm8414 Modern feminism is cancer for society and all media... it really must be stopped, they are ruining everything.
Yeah .... I actually had forgotten about that and I got a bit emotional after reading this comment reminded me. You're totally right. 😢👍
I actually loved the part where Disney lost hundreds of millions of dollars and still didn’t manage to learn their lesson.
we all love that part! :D
Well, these may be the last projects approved 3 years ago...hopefully...
but I'm getting sick of repeats
“How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?!” comes to mind
Disney is infested by Leftists. This is planned. Leftists destroy everything they touch. Only fools support modern Disney.
The more Disney makes the same mistake, the less they seem to learn from it. It's actually astounding.
You reap what you sow
@@chasehedges6775 Yes but here we're beyond stubborness at this point, it's like the enjoy losing money or something
@@undead9999 👍
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Is about burning everything down now new G4TV style.
Yeah it's like...."Inverse Learning" or something. Like...the more you're taught how to cook, the worse at it you become. Only for Disney it's not cooking, its how to appeal to an audience.
I'll never understand why it's "empowering" for Wendy to slap Peter, but if Peter slapped Wendy he'd be called an abuser. Just don't slap anyone, simple.
they should've inserted a heavy dose of reality where Peter absolutely kicks the sh1t out of her after that slap.
Don’t know why that slap was even necessary just like the weird PowerPoint presentation transition immediately after
Because modern liberals. 🤮
Yeah cuz Peter could just grab her and fly her way up into the sky and drop her on a rock like an eagle breaking open a tortoise..... But I digress.
Disney figured that since Will Smith got so much attention for slapping Chris Rock, they thought that having them already unlikable protagonist slap one of the background characters would make the movie more popular. Needless to say, they were wrong
Disney will either correct their mistakes or they will crash and burn. Either way, it will be entertaining.
Do you think there is even the remotest chance they don't have the throttle to full as they go off the cliff?
They're already crashing and burning and yes, it is entertaining. I used to love Disney but the entity using that name today isn't it.
They will destroy every single franchaise. And after that remake everything again. Until Blackrock finally pulls the plug.
" Entertaining , " that's a word they've forgotten .
They are so far off the cliff they have crashed through the bedrock and wrecked Lucifer's new bbq pit.
It's weird that Wendy doesn't idealise the concept of being a mother, but then expects her own mother to take on 20 kids they don't even know.
Well she can't be bothered to care for them, she has to learn the piano, fly planes and write novels about being a girl boss in the Victorian era.
Well because she still has a mother that she wants the responsibility to be her mother's, still
Sounds exactly like the entire contemporary anti-family & creational order agenda summed up.
Sounds like a stereotypical Gen Z to me…
Amen!
Hollywood should stop trying to appeal to "modern audiences" and try to appeal to timeless audiences instead.
Sooooo true. They need to start making MOVIES, not mediocre content
But then their ESG score would drop and with that the access to cheap(er) loans.
How about they just appeal to logic. A 15 year old girl is not going to take on one male pirate let alone a bunch of them. Peter Pan maybe because he can fly and has magic. OK so I have never been a fan of the Peter Pan story in the first place.
or a half decent story
@@chasehedges6775 Mediocre would be an improvement over the garbage we are getting now.
Also, in the original story the reason why there were no lost girls is that girls are too smart to get lost. Wow Disney, how can you miss that badly. This whole "girl empowerment" they did in this movie is so bad on its own, but no, let's change something that actually complimented us.
I didn't know that. Thx for pointing that out.
Only a dumbas* would leave a functioning family just to play all day
a simple google search by the creators could’ve solved this dilemma. movies suck
They didn't read the story.
@@steveouk90126they never do they just see a male character then make them weak see a female character remove all the flaws and make them a bland mess and they keep doing it because the so called "modern audience" dose exist but its just stupid people who waste their money and buy into this crap 😂
The scene of her seeing her entire "girlboss" future ending with her dying old and alone is both tragic and absolutely hysterical that in all their creativity, that is what Disney thought would be a successful life
Truly
The fact that was her happy thought was hilarious she (disney) literally thinks a happy life is being alone forever and that girls everywhere should aspire to that in life
Cool Steven Universe pfp
Well, Disney is part of the conglomerates pushing the idea that a happy woman is a workaholic whore that dies alone surrounded by cats. It's not surprising really.
And not a single cat in sight... WHEIRD!
It's actually hilarious watching writers insert themselves into every script
maybe that's why they all on strike 🤣
Well, you get what you pay for.
If you pay for narcissist writers with not a whole lot of actual life experience.
The narcissism is palpable in every movie.
Script writers get no respect.
I see, for these specific writers working on Disney, why is that the case.
Their cats eating their lonely dead bodies was hilarious.
If it's set in Victorian England then Wendy is truely the greatest clairvoyant of all time.
After all she was able to look into the future and see herself flying a plane when they had not even been invented yet.
Surprised they didnt have a scene where she showed the Wright Brothers how it was done.
She should have been riding a Tesla
"Surprised they didn't have a scene where she showed the Wright Brothers how it was done."
You gotta save some story for the sequel.
The original play debuted one year after the historic flight at Kitty Hawk.
_"Surprised they didnt have a scene where she showed the Wright Brothers how it was done."_
Nah, that part was reserved for Jennifer Lawrence where she played herself. In every movie ever produced now and in the future.
@@thenamesianna I think 'Leonardo da Fucking Vinci' has a better ring to it...
I'm a woman and I have realised one thing, when they want to make a "girl boss" character in a movie they make all the characters except of her stupid and useless. Even in 'Peter Pan and Wendy' in order for Wendy to shine they destroyed Peter Pan's character! Also anyone noticed the camera work???? In every scene Peter Pan looked like a little child while Wendy was filmed in an angle that showcased how heroic and smart she is!
Yes, exactly. I'm starting to find this seriously misogynistic and I'm not joking.
Wendy was already a girl-boss in the book, she was the protagonist for crying out loud, but no movie nowadays would ever portray her that way, because she was too feminine.
@@nope3516 ridiculous fallacy.... I guess woke standards of femininity is being 300kg obese hysterical transgender with purple hair... you for example.
"Wendy was filmed in an angle that showcased how heroic and smart she is!" you sure? Cuss to me it only made her look more ugly than she already is
They try to make her look heroic and smart. In reality those characters always end up just being arrogant, selfish, smug and general unlikeable
"Lost boys."
"But you're not all boys."
"So??"
"Well I guess it doesn't really matter"
Top tier writing
They could've simply called themselves The Lost Children?🤷🏻
@@liamphibia you already gave this more thought than the writers gave to the whole scene.
…somehow palpatine returned
@@attentionbajoranworkers4408 Wendy flies now?!
Yeah even though I thought this movie was not that bad honestly I HATED that line with my guts.
What's not often talked about is the beautiful ending of 1953 Peter Pan. Wendy returns from NeverLand less afraid of growing up to adulthood, AND: her blustery father gets a glimpse of his lost childhood and experiences once more the innocent joy within. What symmetry and balance, speaking to the need to keep one's inner child while not shirking adult responsibilities.
I fear that being able to craft these kind of deeper themes and emotions is a lost art with today's producers and network executives.
Commies hate that good stuff, so they piss n shit on us telling us its raining
In the book it ends with Peter coming back to take away Wendy’s daughter, but she won’t let him have her. He doesn’t understand why, because he’s eternally a child with the mind of one, he thinks Wendy is being unreasonable for not allowing him to steal her daughter away and keep her forever.
It is. Your fear has clearly been realized. Old School cemented it into pop culture.
Even Hook understood that.
Because they're no real adults
The problem with “modern audiences” is the fact that they don’t actually watch what’s made for them…
Almost like this mythical modern audience doesn't exist
That's exactly the goal, to 'reeducate' those of us who still have a spine and the will to stand for our values and beliefs.
Because it’s not made BY us so it sucks. It’s made by boomers and shit
@@TheDrizzle404 They do but there form of entertainment is spending all day on Twitter getting into ideological flame wars while also trying to ruin peoples lives over perceived wrongs because they just want to make everyone as miserable as they are.
@@intrance96 ok boomer
Ya know, for a kid who never grows up and is supposed to be happy and always thinks that everything is some kind of game, even when fighting for his life against Hook, I never once saw Peter laugh or give a full smile throughout the entire movie
to laugh and smile would make someone potentially attractive. they didnt want peter to be attractive in this story. in the cartoon, wendy tinkerbell tiger lilly and the mermaids were all fond of him. here, they wanted him to be weak, sorry, pathetic, emotional, not someone who would be attractive enough for anyone to want to be with or be like . 100% opposite the cartoon.
its a shame because this peter is kinda cute.
@@GotoMaki4Micah oh my God.... that's so true🤦🏻♂️
Never found any evidence for it but the idea once came to my mind that the actor gave a bad performance on purpose because he thought the movie was shit as well
@@FCTH597 being an unknown child actor, being brown AND giving a bad performance on purpose is career suicide lol the director will make you do the scene 100 times until they are happy with it. if the actor is that spiteful he doesn't deserve to work again.
@@GotoMaki4Micah true but by my guessing if his performance in Peter Pan & Wendy is that bad his carrier is dead anyway
"What Wendy represented was growth, responsibility, maturity" I wonder why modern activists, I mean writers changed that? 🤔
As much as I dislike these remakes, I cant blame the writers.
Studios see an opportunity to cash in on an IP and they take it.
They hire the first available writer willing to work for low pay on a harsh deadline (which is why lately they are usually so young)
The more inexperienced and powerless, the better, so the studios can then meddle and tweak and check their marketing boxes.
And now that the writers arent getting any royalties from streaming, its no wonder they are on strike.
Holy sh*t balls you just murdered them!!!
Because a lot of today's women dodge responsibility like the plague.
It's pretty hard to write content around a concept you have never personally experienced. All the girl boss characters we are getting lately are visions of what these people wish they had instead of antidepressants, failed tinder matches, and college debts.
@@isaiah2028 So this is just some messed up female power fantasy for SJWs?
Yes I have always wondered what watching the zombified corpses of my childhood dreams would be like. Thanks Disney.
The zobie simpsons, for me the closest because i barely remember these, is watching the new street figther watching something you care and enjoy transform into something that barely resemble that you love
That is absolutely what it feels like
Maybe it's time to grow up and put aside childish things and stop trying to recreate the feeling of what it felt like the first time you watched a Peter Pan movie??? Maybe you craving that feeling of childhood joy and being unable to find it in adult activities intended for people your age and constantly looking for an inferior hit of nostalgia to replicate it is your personal issue and not Disney's to solve? Maybe kids who have NO IDEA what YOUR Peter Pan is can watch this movie and enjoy it without all your adult baggage and political feelies weighing down their opinions??? Just ya know...maybe?
@@Nunyabiznas88 Dude what's your problem? I've seen you in like three of these comments repeating the same speech.
@@Nunyabiznas88 someone didn't eat their wheaties
The fact they saw Wendy, a person who displayed motherly instincts to the lost boys and became the centerpiece for Peter Pan’s moral. And they thought, Wendy didn’t do enough.
Really shows the difference between how girls were written then, and how they’re written now.
Additionally, note that Wendy expects her mother to do what Wendy won't - be a mother to the Unlocated Diverse Individuals. *Wendy* can't be bothered with such things in her perfect life, but has no problem expecting her own mother to do so at Wendy's whim.
Did you just assumed its Gender?!?
Well, being a mother or CHEST FEEDER is like slavery.
@@o0Baradur0o Did you just assume they assumed
@@ArionNoble Sarcasm?
I think what happened was everyone saw Hermione punch Draco in Prisoner of Azkaban and thought “hell yeah, girl!” But screenwriters (for Disney especially) didn’t understand WHY that moment rocked. First off, Draco actually deserved it. Secondly, the punch felt real and believable. It was something a 13 year old girl could do to a 13 year old boy. Third, it was a *character* moment for Hermione- rule-following, somewhat shy Hermione to stick up to a bully. It demonstrated how she was growing and changing as she got older and spent time with Harry and Ron. She was learning to see when the rules are not the most important thing.
Just having the main girl hit one of the main boys does not an awesome moment make.
Thank you!
Hermione punching Draco was genuine...It fits...not forced...no agendas...the entire movie wasn't made so she punches him because men/boys are the enemy now
Now nobody gives a shit about the movie
Disagree. If Harry beat the crap put of Bellatrix ( I'm talking punching her face physically) , they would scream abuse even though she deserved it.
Also, Draco was one of the antagonists of Harry. Peter Pan did nothing wrong
@@Bear-sn1ps Fairly sure Harry used the torture curse on Bellatrix. "Crucio" is used on her in the OOTP. Part 5, that is.
She screams, falls on the floor and gets up, looking upset. He doesn't have the intend to fully hurt her, so the torture wasn't the usual burninghot knifes through her skin, but it was very unpleasant.
They also attack Umbridge (she is paralyzed and slams with her head on the desk) and he makes Hermione fly through the air and land on her back with a defense spell to protect his best friend Ronald, because Hermione tried to attack Ron (because the incel left them, because he thought Hermione didn't like him and he felt that was enough reason to abandon his friends, granted he was feeling upset because of a demonic necklace, but still, the idea that Hermiones crotch didn't belong to him was enough to cause rage and that is sad.)
I don't recall anyone getting upset with Harry over this behaviour. Fairly certain he also cut Draco into pieces and got away with that. Sectumsempra.
I mean, I like Harry and all, but don't pretend Harry would receive any critisism on hurting women that attacked him.
@@Bear-sn1ps
Oh god I feel stupid, your account was made in september 2023, you're a troll.
I already wondered why you didn't recall him torturing Bellatrix, but this explains it. Reported.
Disney's obsession with misunderstood villains continues to grate my nerves. There is a reason why disney villains were so beloved and disney itself has forgotten that reason.
Hook is a semi tragic character originally, but unlike the movie 'Hook', this one was simply made a whining and pathetic man-child, and not really a villain, since it was Peter who threw him away and the pirates saved his life
Yeah, you don't need any additional villain explanation than, "he's a pirate."
It's the sickness deep within the modern Disney bosses that somehow evil can be excused or relative.
Remember, killing puppies for fashion just means you're misunderstood!
@@jasonagodfrey If Dalmatians pushed your mom over a cliff, skinning 101 puppies and making them into a coat to wear in her memory seems like a sensible course of action and is completely morally justified.
You see, she was sad once. Depth.
Can you imagine a male character slapping a female character in modern cinema like that? Neither can I. Pure hypocrisy.
Only if it is framed by the movie as "abusive monster hits girls". If it's a girl slapping a boy it is only to be framed as "Haha that's what he gets for acting foolish. Go off, sis!"
Feminism: "All we're about is gender equality - why does the idea of women being treated equally to men bother you so much?"
Also Feminism: "Of course it's ok for a woman to slap a man but not the other way around! In fact, it's hilarious when a woman does it! Now, would you like a bite of this cake I ate earlier but still have...?"
We have that in trans mma fighters. But everyone cheers for it.
@@JadeRunner why are you blaming this on feminism as if the movie isn’t literally directed by a man he thought it was okay to have that scene in the movie
@@444tatiana modern feminist strayed from the values of equality and shifted to more of we want equal but we also want to keep the benefits of being a woman equal pay for less work, and more benefits.
I loved how disney just thought “You know what? Let’s have Wendy slap peter so it can be proved even further that she’s a girl boss and that way girls can think it’s okay to assault guys! We’re gonna make billions off of this!”
The "Girl Boss" infestation trope should end already. I'm tired of hearing/seeing men & boys being inferior in every quality way.
Also, teaching kids that it's okay to hit someone smaller than you
Isaacs was the best book-compliant Hook, but I just can't put him above Hoffman
@@williet.3058 Hell no. Colin O'Donoghue is the sexiest Captain Hook and pirate.
That's what female empowerment "boss bitch" cringey asf modern pop trash that is shown to women/young girls and turns them into complete Bitc*
As a woman, what really makes me angry about all these 'girl-boss ' movies is the fact that wanting a family, being a mother etc is seen as weakness. A lot of young girls dream about that, I did. Did that stop me dreaming about growing up to be a vet? No, because, here's a news flash for you, you can be a mother and a successful career woman at the same time. I know, what a shocking revelation that is.
That's probably the most hypocritical thing about the Girlboss narrative. They say "We must uplift women and say that they're as valid as men", but when a woman is content to be a stay at home mom? "You've been brainwashed by the patriarchy", "You're a stupid housewife", "You're a bimbo", etc.
It's a narrative about how women can choose who they want to be, but then puts down women who want to be stay at home moms. Very contradictory and, ironically, sexist.
RIGHT??!! like omg enough already!!
Also, they want women to hate men. But all girls have a father, grandpa and many of them will have a son. This is so crazy. Western population is declining because of lack of children. The propaganda should aim to promote traditional family. What is the goal of this? We will have "strong" girl bosses that nobody likes with no children. Even now the society is a mess, and it will be worse, thanks to these movies
A little bit debatable. Like are you really a mother if someone else has to raise your kids must of the day for five days a week?
But yes, I saw this one young woman who is a police officer, and a seemingly quite capable one, not hard on the eyes, said she had six children. That's pretty impressive.
On top of everything else, it bothers me that they broke a decades long tradition and got separate actors for Hook and Mr. Darling. They've always traditionally been played by the same actor because Hook represents everything Wendy and the boys despise about the idea of growing up and they initially see those qualities reflected in their father. But when they return to London, they see him as a real person and that growing up isn't all that bad. Their perspective of their father has softened and they no longer see him as the villain. But Disney doesn't have anyone in any of their departments who understands the old stories they're paid to ruin.
Is that right? I had no idea. No wonder Mr Darling and Hook are voiced by the same actor
@@chibicheeks78 Even in the live action movie from 2003, these characters are played by same actor.
I never realized that! Jumanji must have borrowed that same idea when they cast the same actor as both Alan's father and the hunter.
Nice!
It's modern Disney. Why even pick up the original book for reference material when they've already planned to diversify the story?
My wife was really excited to watch this. It took about 46 seconds for her to say “what’s goin on here?” And she kept saying it wasn’t right. We watched about 8 minutes and went to find the original.
She’s like “…. The fuck”
Cool story bro
To be honest its on her to think Disney could ever do this movie justice. Although doing something justice and shitting the bed are completely different things.
She took the right decision
@galima don't be a dick, bro
The worst thing I find about the dialog at 2:54 is the complete shutdown of the questioning of the name 'Lost Boys'. She makes a good point of saying you're not all boys so why call yourselves 'lost boys'. The counter argument is just an aggressive 'so?' and based on that single word alone Wendy shuts down her curiosity and thinking brain and just says 'it doesnt matter' what a wonderful thing to teach kids!
Diametrically opposite of The Neverending Story!
Why not just call them The Lost. Oh wait... It's so the writers can hate on the patriarchy... As you were...
Couldn't they just be called the Lost Children?
@Kureemy
Them being boys is critical to the story being told. Well, the original story.
@@samblack5313 how are them being boys critical to the story? I’m just curious.
Anyone else notice how much physically smaller Peter is than Wendy? Not so subtle imagery from Disney, audiences aren’t allowed to form their own emotions or opinions anymore
insecure women compensating for a mountain-sized napoleon complex
Honestly might be the only accurate thing in middle school all the girls were taller than most of the boys since they hit puberty quicker so a 12 year old boy would look like the little brother of a 12 year old girl
@@rusty7984lol no. I Know a lot of Girls including me that always was smaller than most of the boys
@@Nele-vg7js
Idk might just be me but in middle school a lot of the girls were taller than the boys since they hit puberty sooner. Then high school came and the boys were taller and bigger than the girls.
Not a very fair point. In the original 1924 film, Wendy was also taller than Peter Pan by a few little inches. They even made a joke about how Peter was like Napoleon when he beat Captain Hook, since he’s shorter in comparison to Wendy. Though, if you knew the cast of the 1924 film, you’d know that Peter Pan was played by a girl instead of a boy, as to make Peter look as young and cutesy as possible.
The 1924 version was still many times better than the 2023 version, and in my personal opinion, better than the 1953 version as well, which everyone knows more than the 1924 film. It’s the very FIRST Peter Pan film, and despite being a silent black and white film, it managed to capture and bring out the essence of the story of Peter Pan and Never Never Land. I don’t know if other modern adaptions call it Never Never Land, though. The 1953 version sure didn’t if I remember correctly, but the original name was Never Never Land and not just Neverland.
A story about the difficulties of growing up written by people who never had to. I truly wonder what it feels like to write characters so devoid of, well character.
😂
King of the comments. excellent observation
@Adamus Secundus > cash cow
Oh?
Which is why hook made such a great sequel since it tackled those same themes, but from the adult end of things with Peter being so focused on work that he lost all sense of childish wonder and wasn’t there for his kids.
Their definition of adulthood is having puberty blockers at 7 and gender affirming surgery at 12. They are insane.
The best live action movie version of Peter Pan is “Peter Pan” 2003. It sticks to the book really well, has good actors, decent effects for the time, great visuals, and likable developed characters. All the ingredients for a good movie…Something Disney has seemed to forget about completely.
10-year-old me had such a crush on that Peter
And Jason Isaacs as Hook!
Oh yea.. I remember that one! It was fuN!
thank you for mentioning this! this one had the best hook & pan (jason isaacs & jeremy sumpter played them to the T) Hook 1991 is another honorable mention
I was an 80s baby, so I was raised on Hook with Robin Williams and Dustin Hoffman. Haven’t seen this 2003 one, but I would have to argue that nobody could do those roles better than those actors. Might be too scary for my kids though, so I’ll have to look into this one you mention.
Captain Hook being a former "Lost Boy" who unable to find his mother and returns to Neverland as an adult, and finding he does not fit in and longing for simpler times is a fascinating take.
Too bad Disney couldn't find it in their hearts to hire a writer or director who could actually do something interesting with that concept.
I know right. Having been raised by pirates he couldn've had a truck load of Truma and returning to a place he felt safe only to be rejected would be enough to turn anyone into a villian.
So Hook is just a lost little boy looking for his mommy. Yeah, that's fascinating. Really takes the edge of the villain aspect and emasculates him like a good progressive.
@@olliefoxx7165 Hook *was* a lost boy looking for his mother, he's now a man burdened with growing without his family or friends in a band of pirates, wanting revenge on peter pan since he feels peter's the cause
@@olliefoxx7165 A competent writer could make his story more tragic than pathetic. Instead of not being able to find her, maybe he finds her in her dying days and he can't save her and now he hates Peter for wasting the time he could have had with his mother. There are plenty of ways to make it interesting and thought provoking, but of course you decided to straw man it with the most pathetic possible take.
The woke tend to lack heart, so don't assume the wokesters of the Disney Co, including Robert Iger, give a damn about both compassion & being interesting.
"It's hard to think of any story that's been more brutally compromised than Peter Pan"
Snow White: "Hold my Bud Light"
Wendy seeing herself dying old and alone and still thinking that it's a happy ending is too funny to me
It is a happy evening.
It's what the feminist script writer girl boss would consider a happy life finale. Dying alone on the couch. Nice...
@@PapaEmeritusII "Dying alone on the couch and having her corpse serve as nourishment for her 11 cats." Fixed it for you. :)
@@PapaEmeritusII Hey, as long as she's not "trapped in the prison of the kitchen" or doing some fuckin man's laundry, right?
Fucking hell, do I ever hate the left.
Wow, I made my comment before watching the video and seeing the Drinker made a similar comment.
You made a great point about Wendy. The whole point of the story of Peter Pan is an allegorical personification of the struggle between boyhood and manhood. Peter is the perpetual boy. He never grows up, he just wants to have fun. He is the epitome of “failure to launch.“ That’s why the Lost BOYS are such an important aspect of the story. Even Wendy’s brothers get caught up in their adolescent shenanigans. It makes no sense for girls to be part of that group, because girls are inherently different, and it is that difference that saves Peter in the end. It takes Wendy’s maturity and maternal instinct to help the boys to grow into men. Without it, they grow into Captain Hook, (who is always played [at least in the plays] by the same actor who plays Mr. Darling, incidentally). Captain Hook is the villain because, as you said, he represents all of the horrible things that adults are capable of. And more to the point of the story, he represents the rough, overbearing father of Wendy and her brothers. But it is her feminine characteristics and qualities that complement the boys’ roughness and impetuous behavior, helping them to grow up into good men. In fact, in the movie Hook, Peter Pan’s daughter makes this observation when she screams at Captain Hook, “You need a mother, very, very badly!”
All that to say, modern Disney has no idea what this story is about and it’s clear. If you want to watch a live action Peter Pan adaptation, go find the one that was made back in 2003 with Jason Isaacs as Captain Hook.
Yes ,its important that Hook is played by the sameactor as Mr Darling to show the complex passage of maturity and duty at the time
Ah! that explain why in the 2003's movie Hook's actor play also Mr Darling, I didn't know it was a Play reference!
Actual disney actually has no idea about what this new version is about neither
She called him motherless lol
Don't tell any 'writers' that stuff it just might make sense
I love how when they changed some of the lost boys to be girls it actually insults girls more it is said that the reason why girls don’t get captured in the original is because they’re too smart
It’s like they didn’t even watch or read any of the source material. It’s insane
@@187jesu you know for a fact they didn’t at all
And they'll disregard the entire fact they didn't even attempt to review the source material while continuing to virtue signal. Completely ignorant to the fact they look foolish.
remembers girls can be just as stupid and lustful as boys, that's what modern media has taught me
hey now you misogynist, girls can be stupid too. get with the times man, err, person.
this modernization is to reflect the world we live in today
🤣🤣
I'm a bit disappointed to not see many comments mentioning the 2003 Peter Pan version. Although far from perfect, I find it actually the best version of Peter Pan I've seen because it has the balance between the original story while also incorporating a few "modern" factors to it. Maybe it's mainly my childhood nostalgia and subjective view but I really really love everything about that film. From characters, actors, script, beautiful visuals to the magical music
The 2003 Peter Pan is the best film adaptation, because it stays true to the source material while remaining palatable. Wendy is the main character, not Peter. It's about *her* journey in this transitional period of her life from child to young adult, and Peter represents the wrong path. Growing up sucks, but not growing up is *hell.*
I loved that part where the croc swallowed hook in whole. You could see the fear in his eyes while eventually accepting his fate anyways.
Still though I prefer the original cartoon cuss it's funny af to see Hook falling into it's mouth and escaping multiple times, something that can only happen in a classic disney cartoon 🤣
I totally love it 🥰
you are totally right. Best version ever. Not only "far from perfect" - as you wrote. It is near to perfection, with great actors, magical music and visuals. The cartoon version stands for it's own. But the chemistry between Jeremy Sumpter and Rachel Hurd-Wood in the 2003 version is touching. A treasury and very underestimated.
And it puts the hook on the right hand.
The entire freaking point of the lost boys is to show how boys need a mother to teach them to be empathetic and caring to go along with the lessons their father teaches them to be protective and a leader. It’s a movie that promotes the need for both parents and shows how you need them both to raise children. Making them “lost individuals” ruins this idea by creating an imbalance of genders. I don’t understand why Disney did this… oh wait… yea I do
@@nope3516you really don’t understand his comment do you? I don’t even know where to start…
@@nope3516 how do you even know lol
you never met this guy
would have been a funny trope subversion if they got caught in never land trying to be assertive girl bosses that but heads and have to learn how to work together and they the world doesn't revolve around you to escape.
Exactly!!! Well said!!!! Our society has become the lost boys bc it lacks GOOD parenting!
That is Pedro pan.
I liked the part when Robin Williams played an older Peter who forgot how to have fun and has a whole original story that stays faithful to Peter pan and is great for everyone to watch
I view that as a nice what if story
Way better film. Also RIP Robin Williams.
"Peter you've become a pirate"
I liked when you thought he was just running late for the baseball game and did the dueling cell phone bit but it turned out he missed the game.
Now THAT was a good movie.
Once again, the Drinkers 11 minute take down is more entertaining than any 2 hour Disney special produced in the last 5-6 years.
That's kind of why I'm glad they keep doing this crap.
@@paulmaul2186 the reviews are more entertaining than the movies.
Last 20 years more like
@@DarranKern Pixar as well?
@@Crazypug2881 yes. The desecration of pixar is a little more recent, but its been a long time since Toy Story 3, hasn’t it?
I knew this movie would have no redeeming qualities at all once I learned that there are other girls living in Neverland with Peter, defeating literally the entire purpose of him taking Wendy to Neverland in the first place.
They did that in that animated spin-off 'Jake And The Neverland Pirates' All the time I remembered thinking, "Why is there a girl in Neverland? And what the hell did they do to Captain Hook?!"
What strikes me as the most interesting takeaway of all this is that Wendy flies because of all the cool things she gets to do, but an older Peter in Hook, played by Robin Williams, learns to fly again because of the memories of his children. There's no noble cause, just self interest which, coincidentally, older Peter ALSO had to move on from.
But she’s a girl and therefore “you go gurrrll” 🙄
Who’s even watching this shit anyway?
Hook was amazing.
Hook was the greatest Peter Pan live action movie. I watched it recently and its still good.
Their goal is spiritual, not financial. The money lost is irrelevant. It’s about sending a message….
2:53 - Lost Boiiis (Island Bois)
- but you're not all BOYS?
- SO?! (We *identify* as BOYS)
LMAO ... *CRIINNNGEE!!!*
As a woman I have to say I’m getting so tired of this forced female empowerment at all costs trope. It’s like they put a woman as the main character and make her the strongest, smartest, bravest, etc out of all other characters and the woman lead has no faults. It just feels like pandering and to check a diversity/inclusivity box. They almost always have a poorly written dialogue and zero personality that don’t make them even likable characters. People have forgotten that you can write a good female lead without it feeling forced and cheap. One of my favorites is Ellen Ripley from Alien. I miss female leads like that. I hope eventually directors and script writers will figure out most women hate these characters and will stop writing them like that and give us some good female leads again.
I worry about the adults these kids films are creating by only showing "perfect" women that they can never be.
Ripley showed us that women were human and if you dig deep you might just win against all the odds.
Now that Universal/Nintendo had a good Disney-crushing with the Super Mario Bros. Movie, they should do a slightly more adult IP movie with space opera/survival story Metroid, and female hero Samus Aran. She knows fear and loneliness and isolation and yet she still does her job. I bet Universal could get it right.
@@jeremiahbrewer6115 not to mention that Universal's also got DreamWorks, and that we've also got Warner Bros on the new TMNT movie as well. Disney100 gonna be a disaster, save for Elementals and maybe, perhaps just maybe, Wish
Also rooney Mara playing tiger lily eh
Drinker did a great job of criticizing this problem in his review of the live-action Mulan
Oh boy, the scene with Wendy being old and alone and not surrounded by the family, really fits for today's audience. So sad though.
It's funny how today's writers try to sell the idea that you should die working, because the most thing in your life should be to complete the reports to accounting by Friday, instead of having children and take care of them, this is full sunk cost for them
@@r.c.8268 It's almost like they want you to live in a pod, work 15 hours a day, pay taxes, eat ze boogs and die alone.
Wait so that was real so the idea of acomplishment is die alone, wioutha single member of your family there, i mean i am tinking that but not because i want to, but ding alone after acomplishing what, yes you got a ton of money but you are alone miserable, and she didint even have a cat, so what, she manage nothing
Feminism wins...... FATALITY
Because women must be more than mothers and wives...so let's spit on that and show what a wonderful life is being succesful and love nothing but your work... pretty desolate view by a desolate company
The first movie I ever saw at the cinema was Bambi, in 1976, when I was four years old. It is utterly depressing that I have lived long enough to see this company - which was once magical to me - sink to the base, cynical levels which it exemplifies today.
All those moments lost in time, like tears in rain.
(I'm a woman) The craziest thing about all these "girl-boss" characters is how anti feminine they are. There are many ways to be a woman. To be more gentle and feminine isn't WRONG. Taking every female character and removing anything feminine about them, making them as masculine as possible, is an insult. You can still be strong and independent while also being caring and gentle. Plus, as you mentioned, all these "girl-bosses" are identical from each other. It's the same cookie-cutter, bland, over powered character over and over again. I can only take so much before I want some variety! Again, every woman is different, and they can be written in many different ways! Lastly, this wave of "girl-power" movies I notice have created an opposite effect on society from the past. This massive wave of children's movies featuring only female leads is creating a void of movies that little boys can enjoy, with role models they can look up to. I believe that if the media is good enough, all genders can enjoy it. However, that is no excuse to take a franchise with a predominantly popular male lead and dumb them down, disgrace them, or flat out remove them from said media. Imagine if you took a popular franchise featuring a female lead and make them male? Everyone would hate that! We can't keep having these double standards! Wendy physically assaulting Peter over *nothing* is the realization of what im talking about. A real feminist doesn't want the right to assault men. They want equal respect so no one needs to hit anyone.
I didn't even see any Pan movie ever but this is insane, because the originals actually seem to have a better and more feminist message than this: the father is clearly a worse parent than the mom, at least first, the bad guy is a man and Peter has negative traits and needs Wendy to grow, and she's a better person there. The lost boys are all boys not because of some 'we don't need no women amongst us lads' type of thing, but because the author thought that boys are more reckless and unresponsible than girls, therefore he literally thought young boys to be less developed than girls. This is completely missing here. From a point of view the whole meaning of the story is that boys need girls to show them an example of maturity, ergo women elevate men, and men are worse without women. Funnily this readily made feminist message is lost on Hollywood.
Very insightful point. What is feminism, is it treating men and women as equals, or is it making women pick up all the characteristics of men until there is no difference.
I often find myself thinking that the modern storytellers are far more misogynistic than the stories they excoriate. They take an actress, slot her into a male role, with every male trait turned up to 11 because the only thing that matters is that she kicks ass. It's like they want to win some imaginary battle between the sexes, and in pursuit of that victory, they'll happily jettison every softer, nurturing female trait. They really don't seem to like women. (And Wendy slapping Peter is the whole point. I think people are just taking notice because they're children.)
@ronaldbell7429 All of this 100%! I can kinda see where people come from when they complain about the older fairytales. However, I primarily remember being bothered by them when I was in middle/highschool because I was at the height of my "not like other girls" phase. Now that I'm an adult, I can see how damaging that mindset is. Every girl is an individual! Every girl is "not like other girls." That includes those that indulge in femininity, love dresses for the aesthetic, are nurturing by nature, would rather be a stay at home mother, etc. There is no "right" way to be a woman, but making every role model basically a butch archetype is probably not ideal. Little girls need variety so they can see themselves represented in ways that aren't strictly physical. And little boys shouldn't be left in the dust with this new movement. It's all so hypocritical.
Idk man, kinda sounds like Heresy
I love how they couldn't even pretend to be subtle with their intentions that they even chose a short boy to play Peter and a tall girl to play Wendy.
I agree with the first part but wasnt wendy always taller than peter?
@@calumzmemez5075 in the 2003 version no. They had to keep remaking the window cause the boy playing Peter kept outgrowing it. Only live action version I’ll accept
@@antilikka oh lmao i always remembered her being tall.
@@antilikka that hook was so scary when I was a kid I couldn't believe he was Lucius Malfoy
@@antilikka Hook?
This movie was already in my ignored list. Thank you Critical Drinker for taking one for the team!
Totally agree. He's a brave and patient man, even if he does it to get paid by views.
Always giving so selflessly to sacrifice for our sanity. The bonfire of the vanities that the industry has become makes me weep for the future of filmmaking.
So help me, if they destroy Oppenheimer I’m going to war. After reading American Prometheus and learning that Nolan was directing, and Murphy was starring, I’ve been so hyped. But I’ve learned to temper my expectations where this group of misfits is concerned.
The Drinker is a martyr fir Disney.
The list of movies on my ignore list is (1.) all of them
It's in everyone's ignored list. The woke media, the rest of media, even Disney. Straight to D+ is as close to an admission of - this movie is shite - as you can get.
This movie is a literal representation of:
How to lose hundreds of millions of dollars and still not learn your lesson.
I'm honestly surprised that Tiger Lilly and Wendy didn't end up together. It's what "modern audiences" would have wanted to spice up this dumpster fire.
Make Tiger Lilly go off on some schpeal about "muh land stolen by angry white man" while scissoring Wendy as Peter pan sulks in the corner.
That'll be in the sequel/spin off that nobody asks for lol
That will be in the parody porn film, probably being made now
@@smokingcrab2290 Dude.
@@smokingcrab2290 They might use Peter's emptied skull as a candle-holder. In some "advanced" groups that's probably already called "well deserved justice".
When Wendy slapped Peter Pan, that was so stunning and brave. The British Crown would have been proud of her slapping an indian boy smaller than her.
can you imagine if it was the other way around and peter slapped her? The outrage that would ensue...
LMAO
RRR comes to mind. I think i'll just watch that again instead
Good form Sar. They clearly didn't think that one through.
lol
Love the part where they just throw in a plane in Wendy's vision of her adult life, and don't stop to think for even a moment that planes might not have been invented before the Peter Pan show, nor that the planes wouldn't be made like that back then.
That just tells you the writers themselves didn't give a single f**k.🤪
You could just look it up. The first Peter Pan play was in 1904, 1 year after the Wright brothers' first flight. And the book was written in 1911 which was 2 years after the first war plane was made. So you could argue the model of plane is a little off, but that could be chalked up to Wendy imagining the future, which might not be representative of reality.
Yeah, the Wright brothers' flight was only a year before the Peter Pan play debuted. So this bit would only make sense if she was seeing her actual future, rather than what she wanted to do in her future. But if that's what happened, then how did she get this sudden power? And considering this glimpse of her future had a contraption she wouldn't know about, then why wouldn't she be confused rather than like "Yasss this is what I want to do!"
@@xitaris5981 I'd love to see a girl boss version of the first world war where women are being blown to pieces in the trenches etc. I wonder what that would look like.
The version of the play (by J. M. Berrie) that Disney originally adapted was set in the 1950s-1960s, after the first 2 world wars. So Wendy would have known about planes at that time as due to being set in London she would have heard stories about the RAF from her family, friends, and at school.
The original story was set in 1903, the same year the Wright Brothers flew their first successful flight which made international news, so it would still be possible for Wendy to know of planes at least in concept.
Wait, so Wendy hauls off and slaps a boy MUCH smaller than she is, and this is supposed to somehow be empowering?
I would have loved it if they'd named it "Wendy, Tiger Lilly, Tinker Bell & the lost diverse individuals - feat. special guest appearances from someone pretending to be Peter Pan" 😅
Welly put sir ,I commend you
Pander Pan
Someon who identifies as peterpan
I laughed hard when they show Wendy's happy memories is the thought of growing old and alone.
It's like a parody.
And not a memory at all, just really bad life goals
I actually didn't realize that she was thinking about her older self when I saw the movie till I saw this video and that she actually thought of herself dying! I was like,
"Sheesh! She must be braver at dying than I thought!" XD
There are people out there in this world who accept dying or want to actually die alone just to not scare anybody but it's very hard to believe that a child can do that but who knows really? It's a big world out there. Lol
and flying a plane!... wich wasnt invented in the time this movie takes place...
who cul've imagined feminism gives you clairvoyancy
I'm like "seriously" 😑
Return to Neverland had a much better ending with Wendy having a family, then meeting Peter Pan and Tinkerbell one last time.
One of my favorite movies of all time is Spielberg's 1991 pseudo-sequel to Peter Pan, Hook. It's not without its flaws, sure, but it felt like a genuine expansion and exploration of the existing and established characters and how they would supposedly behave in that given scenario and it's done pretty well.
While Peter Pan shows the dangers of not growing up, Hook showed that it's important to not take it to the other extreme too.
Loved Hook as a kid. Robin Williams played “both” Peters perfectly; and then merged both extremes into the adult Peter Pan that has kids and responsibilities . It had a good story with the importance of parents love and attention to children’s development. It was funny, action packed and serious when it needed to be. Showed it to my kids; watching their smiles of wonderment and laughter at the movie; brought me back to my own childhood. Love that movie.
@@BENR8108Robin Williams had a gift for portraying child like wonder in a grown man. Cinema is less with him gone.
It had faults, sure, but only Robin Williams could pull of boyish wonder. Julia Roberts, however, was a bad casting decision, and they made Peter a real a-hole at the beginning of the movie. He needed a character arc, sure, but not that drastic.
@@gregobrix only problem was, that he looked nothing like a grown up Peter Pan...
In the 2003 Peter Pan, I loved how soft, smart and feminine Wendy was and yet so cool. That was definitely my favourite Wendy and Peter Pan, they’re chemistry as-well was unmatched and the director stuck to the damn storyline. Felt the magic through the screen as I watched it as a kid, I was also totally jealous of Wendy 😂 obviously grown out of that now though.
Hahaha yes Jeremy sumpter was my first boy crush and he aged well! Had to re-watch it after watching this shitty remake.
I feel like I didn’t grow out of this jealousy 😭😭 Jeremy was so fucking IT and was definitely serving as Peter
When I saw it in theaters I cried bc it was so magical looking and I felt drawn into a world where I may never grow up. Now I cry bc we will never get magical movies like that at this rate. So sad to see the company who introduced me to my favorite story fall so far
Funny how the animated versions of the characters feel much more like real people than the live action versions ever will
Except old animated characters like that are usually all heterosexual, cisgender and white. And if they're not, they're hateful and offensive stereotypes
@@fuzzyotterpaws4395 So a story about children in victorian England is wrong for having the characters be white and straight? Those two are the majority by a large margin and were an even larger majority back then
@@fuzzyotterpaws4395lolol triggered because they were not made in Africa or Asia?
You need to brush up on your animated history tho for real
@@AJellieDonutdon’t worry about them. They are the “everything triggers me unless there is no whites around” racist type
@FuzzyOtterPaws, oh wow you mean a nation largely inhabited by normal white straight people made some art that represents them? My God, I can't imagine living such a miserable and pathetic life as you. Always having meltdowns and gaslighting yourself into being offended over what's normal and harmless. Living by made up words in the chaotic world of identity politics. Always having to change everything till it's completely destroyed because somehow the worst possible rendition of something is what actually satisfies your bizarre sensibilities.
Another great quality about Wendy in the supposedly "problematic" original animated version is that she makes for a very strong voice of morality. This is especially shown in the climax. She, her brothers, and the Lost Boys have all been taken captive by the Pirates, and given an offer to either sign a contract and join the Pirates, or walk the plank. Wendy not only quickly chooses the plank, but she actually admonishes the boys for even thinking about choosing the alternative, and convinces them to change their minds on the matter and prepare to accept their fates with dignity (Partly because they have faith that Pan is going to save them before they end up fish food, admittedly, but that'sbesides the point). That is real moral courage right there. That is an example of a kind of strength that these woke movies and shows tend to forget about.
HEAR HEAR!!!
Pure Christian martyrdom rather than becoming a monster, I commit my soul to God!
Extremely good point. Loved reading that. There are so many good philosophical implications with those choices.
It's not about forgetting about that kind of character strength, they're just so morally bankrupt they literally can't understand it
@@bradleymarshall5489 My thoughts exactly. They don't have morals.
@@bradleymarshall5489 I think it is.
I believe that the Wokies have developed a VERY narrow definition of what strength can really mean, especially when applied to female characters. They feel like the only form of strength, or at the very least the only form of it that's good for anything, is sheer physical strength/ fighting skills. In fact, strength can come in many forms, such as (As I pointed out with Wendy) the moral strength to stick by your convictions and do what's right even when doing so could cost you your life.
I'm honestly disturbed by Wendy slapping Peter Pan. In an age when children seem to be becoming more violent and unhinged by the day due to a lack of good morals being taught to them, this is bastardization of beloved characters on a whole new level.
preach!
And honestly it’s a terrible message for children. It honestly should be just as unacceptable for women to slap men as it is for men to slap women, but we don’t treat it this way.
I was surprised to see that.
Can you imagine the uproar if he'd hit her back?
Indeed
Guy punches girl in movie: Uproar
Girl slaps guy in movie; Yeh, she's empowered!
Disney understands the villains so well and rewrites them into tragic, misunderstood anti-heroes because Disney IS the villian now and can relate more to the villian than the hero.
Disney self insert meta is real good shit
At least Jude Law hook as the newest misunderstood antihero adds some "diversity" to the mostly female antiheroes they have now.
Now a man is allowed to join the girls club!
The Shelleys would be proud of whay their proto-Satanism has turned into
Yes. Being a villian is EASY. Being a hero is hard. Very hard.
The real question is, do the kids still like it?
I loved the part where I refused to take my kids to see any current-era Disney movies and changed our family vacation plans to not include Disneyworld.
I love how basically no one in the comments has watched this film. We just let Drinker suffer for us, and gratefully watch his much better 11 minute video.
Absolutely!
its a more efficient use of our time to be honest.
We don't need to
It’s a lot more fun this way. Even more when you finally watch one of these for free and hungover….then have some nice reminisce moments lol
yeah it's almost like we don't have our own opinion and let the drinker make our minds
As an arrogant, close-minded male myself, I used to dismiss all the old Disney movies to my friends and family to affirm my toxic masculinity when I was a young adolescent😂.
Now, after finally growing TF up and no longer caring so much about what people think of me, along with seeing this modern garbage that is 2020s Disney, I dropped that front I used to put up and can’t help but exclaim that those old Disney Animated Films are some of the greatest in cinema history! And it’s because the storytelling and lessons learned from them are absolute masterclass.
Heyo!, Boyhood adolescence and being able to outgrow toxic masculinity is the areas they could easily have explored with this story, but in order to do that you would need writers with talent that gives a damn.
Captain hook and his pirates could have been used as examples of what would happen if the lost boys grow up with no mother figure. Maybe they would end up as insecure, lecherous man-children hell-bent on power, trinkets and riches.
Peter Pan wasn't my favourite Disney classic or anything, but I vividly remember the scene where Wendy walks off the plank with her head held high and thinking the child-equivalent to 'that's badass'. Characters can be both feminine and strong, they can be strong without demeaning the male characters, they can affect change and move the story along without running headlong into danger. I'm so sick of these 'modern' retellings!
It's fucking garbage.
My favourite version was always Hook from 1991. Dustin Hoffman and Robin Williams were such powerhouses of humour and actual acting.
Hoffman was an amazing Hook, a genuine villain, but you still feel sorry for him (at least I do)
He's in his own league. He was excellent.
I went to the pictures to watch that when it came out with my best friend when I was 6. Seen it so many times over the years. It takes me back to simpler times but it only as you get older and you get to know the actors, you see what they brought to the roles. Hoffman as Hook was a splendid choice, the man's got an amazing acting range! Williams as Peter Pan.... could you imagine anybody else playing the role of a boring middle aged man who so easily played a kid in an adult's body?!
@@MrBaldypete1 If anyone hasn't seen it yet, go watch The Midnight Cowboy. This is one of Hoffman's best (if not * the * best) performances, and you will hardly forget the ending, which is truly heartbreaking.
@@williet.3058 I'm in. I'll be looking for it soon. Thanks for the recommendation mate!
Disney is the definition of insanity,doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results
Once can be a mistake.
Twice is a choice.
Third time it is a company wide goal.
Albert Einstein would approve
Nah, that's stuborness. Insanity is thinking that you can manipulate reality to benefit your own disposition. So in that, Disney is both stubborn & insane...
Honestly right? I’m starting to think they actually hate money but that’s impossible.
Disney in the modern day, to be more specific.
I am currently rewatching all disney movies in the order of their production, and it stricked me how much the new changes actually influence the movies. The main difference is that the new versions of old characters almost never make mistakes, and thus, they never have to learn. More over - whenever smth bad happens to them, it's not their fault, it's because other characters made smth bad. The most stricking example for me (as I will only talk about those disney movies that I currently watched the older versions of) is the Pinokio. All of the lessons of this story were literally thrown away. I bet anyone to find a single thing that pinokio actually does wrong in a new version... he "magically " grows up and learns how to be a true boy by... random things happening to him?
The part where Wendy said "But you aren't all boys", and they all replied in unison "Did you just assume our gender?" really had me in tears. Truly a diverse modern masterpiece
I think the scene where Peter talks to Hook, and stares straight ahead, saying in a very omnious way "I know what school and what class-room you go to". Its a good scene but its also a bit distasteful with all the school-shootings, but I think he implies pranking him or something, still, its powerful.
Yes, I also cried tears of diversity. Oh, wait a tick, actually I didn’t, lol.
Just like the classic known as The Room.
@@marcohidalgo1101
How dare you insult that absolute masterpiece
And then they said "It's Morbin time!" and chopped off their genitals! I felt that.
I loved the part where they shoehorned "and Wendy" into a story called "Peter Pan.."
...and then lose hundreds of millions of dollars doing it...😮😊
tbf the original was called peter and wendy
@@historicflame972 the original book. just read there were stories and a play before.
But yes, the book is called Peter Pan and Wendy.
Let's hope they loose money - but previous live action-outings were sadly very successful for Disney, so i doubt that ...
Surprised they didn't call it just "Wendy".
Let's not forget the original Wendy was defiant in the face of overwhelming odds, and even walked the plank to her assured death while the others watched. She didn't have a trick up her sleeve; just hope and courage for her brothers and friends.
A _proper_ English lady does not grovel
@@EvilDoresh yep
The way we got one of my favorite live action remakes in 2003, which just happened to be Peter Pan, and exactly 20 years later we get this... We're evolving backwards.
When is Disney going to realize that they don’t need to change the every woman in their stories into an invincible character that’s stronger than everyone else. Your description of the original Wendy and how they changed her is exactly why I didn’t even give this remake a chance. Her role and what she symbolized in the animated movie was an essential part of the story in my opinion.
Yes! She was the actual Main Character, the one facing change and being afraid and the one who changes and learns. It's a good story, as we so often find underlying our childhood favorites.
Disney will never learn. They aren't a family friendly company. They're soulless.
No one can rise above their base worldview. Since Disney is completely sold out to the spirit of the age, it is not so much that they will not, but that they cannot.
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Yup... same same...
It was the lost boys because according to the original book "girls are too smart to get lost" lmao also the idea of Wendy being the only girl amongst lost boys was extremely important to the story because Peter took Wendy to Neverland to be a mother and caretaker to the boys . Also in the book Wendy does take the kids to be adopted by her parents so that one is accurate.
Disney is woke. It is all written to be maximize woke.
And now they've made it so black girls are dumber by this logic
Your first sentence implies that the girls in the lost boys are dumb af. It doesn't help that they're black as well. Disney is a turd that's refuse to getting flushed down the toilet
Wendy is the heroine of the story for sure! Not because she’s succeeding at out-masculine the boys, but because she is a girl and what that brings to the table! Woke Disney is the worst Disney.
Making every villain have a tragic backstory, and saying "Oh they're just misunderstood" is honestly an insanely dangerous message to teach kids. There are bad people in the world, truly evil people in fact, but teaching kids that the villains and bad people of the movies they watch are just misunderstood and tragic characters, is gonna give them a terrifyingly skewed world view of what bad people are.
If at least those movies gave a good insight of why and how people can actually become villains...
That’s because Disney IS the bad guy now.
Frame it that way and everything they do follows a logical pattern.
It's a parents job to teach kids
...not Disney's ...best to avoid imagining that Disney is a responsible adult ...it's a business
Raison d'etre is fine argument to understand villain. But the problem is Disney dont have any important moral message meaning even the protagonist have no idea to adhere to (who would teach child to slap opposite gender as alright otherwise)
@@oftin_wong You are derailing the argument. Do you really think people, kids watch Disney movies and think "it's business"? There's a reason why shows and movies have ratings. It's Disney's responsibility to produce shows and movies that won't give a wrong view of the world, especially when their target audience are kids! Yes it's the parents responsibility BUT studios like Disney should also be responsible!
I lost all respect for this Wendy when she breaks a mirror while playing with her brothers and then blames them when confronted. She shows no remorse and even doubles down, making her appear more like a miserable angsty bully.
Thank you SO MUCH Drinker for pointing out the "future montage" and how it was devoid of family and relationships. It was at this point that the film fully unveils the purpose for their butchery of this classic story. When all that matters is your internal understanding of self and a mission and purpose of self-actualization, there is no room for others and therefore no room for true and lasting meaning. What was meant to be an inspiring montage of something to look forward to, it instead showed the vapid and empty future for all people that go down that path.
Boom!💣 Well said.
Sounds a lot like the ending to The Irishman….gloomy and depressing and the realization that you die alone always
@@noobie1890 you go through the process alone but if you are lucky, you will have people around your bedside.
Funny how that stands in such a complete contrast to "Hook." where it turns out that the great thing about growing up for Peter, was being a DAD!
It was worth for him to leave Neverland, BECAUSE of his kids, BECAUSE he's a dad now. That's what gives his life meaning now, that's what enabled him to finally fly. Knowing he's a dad!
And it was an actually emotional moment, and we felt attached to the characters. Now? It's just so empty and vapid.
You dont need a man or relationships to be happy. Dying alone as a girl boss is way more rewarding. Raising a family is a patriarchal plot to enslave women. /s
The sole purpose of movies like this is now not to watch them, but rather to watch Drinker and others on youtube make fun of them while we all collectively point and laugh together 😂😂
Yep
He is a better version of MST3K!
So far into this brilliant deconstruction, I found that the drinker missed the part where while practice sword fighting with her brothers, where she is the bestest gurl eva, Wendy breaks a mirror AND THEN BLAMES HER BROTHERS FOR IT. Truly, a shining beacon of girl bossness. Not something that makes her a villain at all
Girlboss Rule #1: Nothing bad that happens is ever your fault. It is the fault of whatever Male is nearest at the moment.
Girlboss Rule #2: A girlboss must not have any weaknesses, even to the detriment of a girlboss character. Remember, a girlboss's character IS girlboss, as well as "powerful," "strong," and obviously "independent."
Who wants to watch that in the movie after living it all the time? You go to the movies to forget, not have it enforced. Pfft.
Why did she slap Peter? I am actually shocked at how that is even in this movie. They couldn't do an ol' slug on the arm thing, geez!
that slap isn't from someone who's worried. The hatred and nauseating annoyance is blaring through her facial expression and body language.
I read an article about how in older productions they would always cast Hook and Mr Darling as the same actor. The idea being that Hook represented her fear of a tyrannical father figure and getting older and it lends itself to the idea that Wendy isnt totally sure whether Neverland was real or all a dream. Lol they took that out too. Wouldnt want anyone thinking or anything else that could be dangerous
Yes, they used the same plot device in Jumanji and it worked excellently
And in the Disney animated version, the two are drawn similarly as a nod to the stage play
Watch the 2003 movie, where Jason Isaacs plays both
yeah thats a tradition they totally thought they were too good to do
@@folly6682And, in that, they are both voiced by the same actor (Hans Conried).
My favorite silly criticism of old Disney films is that Alice and Wendy have the same face and thats an artistic error because of misogyny or something. In reality Disney used real actors in real costumes acting out the scenes in front of a camera, so they could use them as reference to their drawings. And the real life actress of both Alice and Wendy was the same girl, thats why they share the same face.
Wow. As someone with prosopagnosia, I genuinely thank you for letting me know it also extends to animated characters. I had NO idea they had similar faces. Lol
Edit: I wanted to add: awesome trivia btw!! Thanks for sharing it!
How dare they use the same facial features for the leading lady when they were hand-drawing hundreds of thousands of pictures to create two full-length movies!! That's so lazy and anti-woman!
yet more sjw bullshit. dont believe me. they reused erics face for aladdins. im not kidding. they just took the same guy, made him scrawnier and a little swarthier, gave him messy hair and made him dress like a 9th century suicide bomber
Oh, so basically prototype motion capture. Also, that's the single dumbest criticism I've ever seen hurled at Old Disney.
And the same actress voiced both of the characters, too, in addition to doing the live action modeling.
The flash forward of Wendy’s life is hilarious. Laying on a couch, older than sin, alone and “happy” (smiling). Yeah we know who wrote this
Actually though, it is not unheard of to be an older woman who isn't married and is still happy. There are many males out there who are not married and don't want to be. Why does everyone HAVE TO be with someone? It doesn't mean you're more worthy or valuable. Many people today are maturing and choosing differently than generations past. Wouldn't you like to be an old person? Or is the alternative more to your liking? Not sure why you think there's anything wrong with laying on a couch since males spend quite a good portion of their lives laying on couches and eating chips and playing videos games. You'd think you'd celebrate that.
@@user-dd5eh5lu3o while I agree with you don't have to be in a relationship to be happy, it just don't fit their own story. Come home with me and live with my family and be happy growing up and oh by the way I'll ditch you all as fast as I can once I'm older. That thought will be a strong enough happy thought to allow her to fly?
@@user-dd5eh5lu3oNobody said people have to be in relationships hell people in relationships die alone due to spouse and family death. This is just the writer's pouring their modern mindset into a character that wouldn't align with such beliefs.
@@user-dd5eh5lu3o enjoy your lonely twilight years. May your couches be soft, your potato chips fresh, and your cats cuddly.
@@user-dd5eh5lu3o Dying alone is sad. Humans are meant to bond with someone.
One detail sticks out like a sore thumb, and that's when Wendy bitch-slaps Peter. That's child abuse, and the studio execs should have realized that. Why was that left in, do you think?
You're taking the garbage that disney puts out and turning it into an entertaining 11 minute video that i will gladly watch. You're providing a valuable public service to all of us "non modern audience" members. Thank you
Its definitey the best way to enjoy these films.
It's like reverse digestion
"Appeal to modern audiences"
The second any Drinker viewers hear this, they know that it's going to be bad.
i automatically brace for the cringe
Exactly
You know who's the "modern audiences" they're always stressing? Those are the future audiences they will indoctrinate with all this crap they're forcing. They don't exist in the majority yet but more push on the media might do the magic.
"reinvisionist history" is a slow corruption.
It's an overton window that sadly and disturbingly we're witnessing nowadays they're trying to normalize.
There's something profoundly uncanny about seeing a fantasy children's story portrayed in such a cold, desaturated modern cinematic style.
EDIT: that shot of Wendy dying alone on a couch in a luxury home is hilarious.
see kids, that is the face of success
Look up Winnie the Pooh: Blood and Honey
The 2003 movie had the perfect blend of bright and beautiful but also dark and grim
She's a strong independent woman obviously
And the writers will never see the irony ... tragic in a certain kind of way.
I honestly had no idea this movie existed...the algorithms must be working. Thanks for the beautiful reminder of what is so lovely about the original characters!
As a grandfather, Disney is missing two vital ingredients, color and fun.
Both this movie and the Litle Mermaid look dark and dreary, Super Mario looks bright and colorful. As a grandparent who does not read reviews, I know what movie I would be taking the kids to see
Mario is great. Good choice.
you can see the respect for Mario as an icon in that movie, even with the changed voice actor, while Disney only sees these live action remakes as tools to extend a copyright time limit and a tool to market real social issues as a means to make profit
@@itsacharcoalice Profit? Disney's goal isn't profit, it's to sunder.
I always thought Wendy was supposed to be the mother to the lost boys. Like thats why Peter kidnapped her in the first place. Because the boys were lost and needed a mother to look after and love and guide them.
Yes, and as Peter explains in the original story, the reason there are no Lost Girls is because "girls are far too clever to fall out of their prams" (that being how baby boys end up becoming Lost Boys). I guess not letting girls be as stupid as boys would be "non-inclusive". Or something.
Yeah, that was exactly it. But motherly figures are like kryptonite to the weirdos producing these remakes.
@@Bad_Gazpacho And fatherly figures are like super kryptonite to them.
I love that a girl from Victorian London dreams of flying an aeroplane (specifically a design from the 1920's or '30's) when the Wright Brothers wouldn't even make their maiden flight (in a craft that was basically made of canvas and balsa wood) until about two years after the death of Queen Victoria
It might be that she saw future events of her life, bit I’m just speculating
what you dont know is that the aeroplane that the brothers wright made was actually stolen from the sisters blight, who wouldve been the first aeronauts ever if it werent for those horrible men stealing their plans and keeping them down.
@@CrzyLion POV disney made a "historically accurate" documentary
flying was a big deal when the book was written because there were no airplanes. also reminds me of the simpsons (actual simpsons, 1989 - 97, not modern "simpsons") where sideshow bob steals an h bomb to try to destroy the town and when krusty is hiding in/behind a shack in the middle of a desert hes wondering what the fucking holdup is because the plane is so slow. and when it slightly bumps into the shack it just stops working without really getting damaged before an abrams runs it over
[Airplane approaches]
Krusty: "What the hell is that? A lawn mower?" 🤣
I have always looked up to Wendy as a child. She's confident but not aggressive. She's kind and polite but she can stand up for herself. And she never thought of herself as better than anyone in Neverland. She has a nurturing nature that inspired child me to be the same. She was like the model older sister I wish I would become.
I mean the classic Wendy of course.
I don't know who this new "Wendy" is...
Literally every female arc in 2020s is just “realising how awesome she is!”
Affirming how awesome she is, she already knew it before.
It’s gotten so bad that the exceptions are rejected by the audience on principle.
Every woman “is all of the Jedi” now.
sure seems that way
Man it's like the whamen have dementia or something that they need to be constantly reminded how awesome they are.
Message to Hollywood: Stop trying to reframe villains as misunderstood outcasts. It worked for Wicked, when it was an original idea, now its just a meme.
Hell, they portray heros as misguided, remorseful pussies. "Rise of Skywalker"?
To be fair, there is an awesome novel called "Lost boy" that reimagines Hook as a lost boy and Peter Pan as a psychopath cult leader. Making Hook the anti hero can work, if written by talented writers.
My take on 'Wicked' was it's simply a framework for bad pop music, cashing in on another classic. Musical Theatre is dead. 'Hamilton' is all the proof one needs...
Let's call it what it is, the people making these films know they're the villains in real life, and want to normalize their evil.
@@Ronnet Yes, I read that...and Disney did it far better with Once Upon A Time. Peter Pan actually is quite creepy; he was known to 'cull' the Lost Boys.
I loved the part where Disney doesn’t learn from their previous mistakes and countinues to spiral into the abyss
Well it's impossible to for anyone to be held accountable because criticism can be written off as hate and validation can be found somewhere online
I'm enjoying watching every step of their demise.
These aren't mistakes. They're deliberate subversions.
Sending a message is more important. The product failing is just as good for them because it works as demoralization.
"We got your favorite IPs and we can destroy them if we want"
I loved the fact tink was a shapely, thick, sassy badass jealous magical b*tch in the original film.
8:28 "Because as anyone who went through high school knows, adolescent girls are famous for their ability to get along and support each other!" As soon as my wife heard that, she began that mocking laughter at the same exact time as the laughter clip in the same exact manner, without any provocation. I lost it, I couldn't stop laughing, still can't lol. Even my wife saw that bull crap a mile away, even if she wasn't all that involved. She knew, she just knew lol.
You incels know that this is a movie for CHILDREN?
@@oliverseiler2871 its perfect for you
"Incel" is the perfect dumb reply to a man talking about his wife's reaction to the video.
@@oliverseiler2871 you failed in life
@@oliverseiler2871 "It's for children" is not an excuse for making a shitty product.
Also, I don't think you know what the word _"incel"_ means.
I just rewatched the 2003 version. It was beautiful, funny, magical, good characters, everything this movie is not. When Peter got wounded by Hook at the Black Castle, for the rest of the movie you can see that scar. The fairies were beautiful and GLOWED, music was fantastic, there was character growth. One shot from that movie had more color than this entire movie combined
Is that the one with Robin Williams in it?
@@cambelmilton2724 Jeremy Stumper and Jason Issacs
The 2003 live action film with Jeremy Sumpter is my favourite Peter Pan film. It was close to the source material.
@@cambelmilton2724 that one is also one of my favourites!! The music!!❤❤
Funny thing is, in that movie also Wendy sword fights and has 'boyish' traits as one might expect growing up with brothers. But it doesn't subtract from her feminine and motherly traits either.
She's basically what the Disney version wanted to and failed to make.
Wait, in the original story, weren't the Lost Boys boys because only little boys are that STUPID? It WAS!
"There are no "lost girls" because, as Peter explains, girls are far too clever to fall out of their prams."
So them diversifying the cast of Lost Boys is actually a self-own, they changed the source to make girls STUPIDER. Great work as always Moden Disney.
Equality!
I think they did it to be more woke. Every character is washed out. Nothing has heart.
I have found that whenever I have, in the real world or on line, said something that either means “women are too sensible to design something that bad/ do something that foolish/ etc.” there will ALWAYS be a feminist who finds that a mortal insult. Sometimes a group of ‘em.
If we gonna more specific they literly now say "black girls are stupid to fall for this " by default because as you see there 2 black girls
the boys are meant to be extensions of Peter's own boyishness, and they are all stunned when Wendy arrives, a girl, and shows them compassion and nurturing that girls are usually naturally better at. Wendy is admired by them and kind of gets all the boys to have a crush on her. Lost "Boys" absolutely matter for the Peter Pan story.
The only "girl power" that I can accept is Elizabeth Swan in Pirates of Caribbean. Because she is feminine, smart and brave. She is not overly "bad ass" and not "overly masculine" nor is she the "i dont need a man" type
@@Phoebeolly98765 I think I did mentioned there the word "overly". Meaning the portrayal of badass or independence in the annoying, hyperbolic, forced way. Nobody likes that.