It's a pity that I find your mislabelling the movie as " World Of Warcraft movie" (it have very ,very little to do with WoW) to be particularly grating.It's based on a story that predates WoW by at least a decade .
remliqa look i get it, forming proper sentences is annoying and all, but could you at least try? the red squiggles under your words are hints that something could be wrong with your spelling/grammar.
And then, in the game's expansion Wrath of the Lich King, we learn that Warcraft humans are deformed (mutated due to a curse) descendants of a powerful race called the Vrykul. The Vrykul are at LEAST twice as large as humans, newborns were able to walk immediately after birth, their flesh are almost as hard as stone, etc. Despite being much smaller and severely weaker than their Vrykul ancestors, Warcraft humans still seem to retain a non-negligible portion of their ancestors' physical prowess, as they are more or less still able to stand toe-to-toe with Orcs and other monstrosities. Those Warcraft humans are physically quite different from us Earth humans.
I was going to suggest a what if the humans in warcraft are stronger than real world humans. I'm not familiar with warcraft lore but is there anything in the lore that suggests otherwise?
just a quick note: Orcs, just as Humans, are descendants of a race created by titans. Hell, pretty much every playable race in WoW created by titans except of Elves, Trolls and Drenai. Drenai are aliens, while trolls are original Azeroth's race and elves...Well, elves are trolls (no kidding. They are)
Also, people need to stop pretending thick blades can't cut. We use thick blades all the time. We just use them to cut very heavy materials where we can apply enormous forces... like those necessary to swing a blade that large in the first place.
seigeengine It's not that thick blades can't cut, it's that thick cross-sections cut poorly. The line between "cutting" and just "mashing" is very vague when the blade is thick enough to have a point approaching 45 degrees.
to be fair, if you were going up against huge monsters; you would never use a sword in the first place. what comes to mind is something like an anti-armor polearm (like a bec de corbin or somethin).
Me too. Maybe not a "critically great movie", but a very serviceable and enjoyable adaptation of a videogame to the film media. Also China apparently loved it.
I was expecting a lore accurate adaptation of the First War, but my expectations were subverted. Didn't know beforehand they actually released a comic book which predates the events of the movie by a few years or so. Either way, I still liked it, would be cool to see how this universe would play out as opposed to the main one where the Horde won the first war.
5:34 I have a realistic explanation for both realistic and super-fantasy swords co-existing in the same world: the realistic swords are used in actual battles, while the oversized/impractical fantasy swords are used for ceremony. Then a millennium later, laymen of archaeology mistakenly think that these ceremonial swords were used in battle, when they weren't.
Im pretty sure this was done in real life too, I actually remember seeing a rather fancy sword in a museum in London that was about 3m (10 foot) or so in length (which Id say is impractically large) that was ment purely for ceremonial use
Anothe realistic explanation would be that these oversized swords are ALL Magical! Your general soldier and peasant would have just a standard sword, the King, the Royal Guard etc. have these beautifully ornate Magical Swords that are enchanted also to feel like a normal Longsword. Sort of like the Sun Blade of AD&D Lore! {A Hand and a Half or B@st@rd Sword that is enchanted to wieldable like a Short Sword or Gladius which is what the D&D Short Sword is based on}.
I'd be more willing to give the king's sword a little bit more leeway on those issues, after all, it's been made for the _king_, it need to be visually impressive as compared to the guards' swords.
It's all the same thing really...the movie may take place previous to where the WoW mmo starts, but it's all the same lore, so it doesn't really matter!
+Philbrush It matters in so far that people playing the game after seeing the movie are going to be confused. But in the end you are right, it bothers me but it's really just a nerd thing. It would be sort of like people saying Spock was a full Vulcan, it's really just a technicality and doesn't really matter much.
+Lord Muhehe It absolutely does have a lot to do with World of Warcraft, as it explains how the orcs got to Azeroth when their home world is called Draenor. However, you are also correct since they did change the story a bit, so I'm not sure how much the movies are going to have to do with the game lore.
Nerobyrne That doesn't mean it's WoW movie. WoW storyline begins after the end of Frozen Throne expansion. Warcraft movie is based on first Warcraft game. When they'll start killing C'Thun or Nefarian and invading Naxxramas, then it will be WoW movie.
I think that the reason the blades have such a depth is because they have that same depth in game. The game engine was created in the early 2000s and to make the blades look better on a screen of pixels, they made them much thicker. That way you can still see the blade when looking at it from the side, the edge would be thick enough to be visable. Anyways, have you played Wow? I'm quite new to the channel so I you have already mentioned it somewhere, I apoligize.
Hi ! You are totally right about the engine, but i believe that is not the only answer! If it was a sword to thin, then we would never have defeated Nefarian and many others :p
Well blizzard practically just butchered the phrase "in the world of _______________" while explaining some universe or some world, it became something a specific subject rather than in a sense of explaining.
There's actually been a running joke in the WoW community about how the swords they design and put in the game right now are SO thick that it's like hitting them with a sharpened rock.
Perhaps they can smelt titanium in Azeroth, dragon fire forge or something. The ability to cast hollow bronze shapes has been around since the iron age and they have been used in sword guards, the lion heads could also be made out o two halve of iron plates beaten into shape and married together.
It might also have an enchantment on it that straight up makes it weigh less and makes the user stronger. He might have magic greaves that glue him to the ground. Or the pommel is magically creating a counter balance whenever he swings the sword. They have flying cities and teleporting wizards and demons opening dimensional portals to other planets, it would be weird and out of character for the royal guard to have mundane and realistic arms.
+Mastikator +MrMonkeybat There are tons of different fantasy materials in Azeroth, and all of them are lighter than Steel, from the basic Mithrill to the more commonly used Saronite, or Elementium.
I'll admit I liked it. Okay there were major problems with the film but it stuck pretty close to the Warcraft lore and gave a good reason why the Orcs were coming through.
A major problem with it is that they cut out 40 minutes from the finished cut, to make it fit into 2 hours. That's a lot of material. So the scenes felt very rushed and there were big problems with the transitions.
um but they didn't stay true to the game lore though. They made several changes like Gul'dan openly being the leader, the Frostwolves joining the initial invasion, Doomhammer being a Frostwolf instead of Blackrock, Garona being Medivh's daughter, the Orcs not all invading at once and completely destroying Stormwind etc. Also in the movie they made it look like Gul'dan infused all the Orcs himself by draining souls, but in reality they turned green and stuff by drinking the blood of Mannoroth.
Mozilla Firefox They did make a bunch of changes, but most of the changes turned out fine. It didn't need to be a carbon copy of WC1 story, I think it adapted some story elements fine. The Garona origin thing is the only one I kind of mind, especially since there's a scene with her talking to a draenei, which I took as kinda symbolic. It's okay that they didn't involve the Burning Legion elements directly, it was a really crowded movie anyway,
Where did they ever say Garona was Medivh's daughter? I have seen the movie and all Medivh said was that once, when he was in a far away place, he was in love with someone; yet people take that to mean he's Garona's father? My family know nothing of Warcraft lore and they did not come to that conclusion when they heard what Medivh said. If anything, I take what Medivh said as an implication of how Medivh knows of the continent of Kalimdor (after all, as far as I know, it was never revealed in Warcraft 3 how Medivh knew of Kalimdor's existence).
Matthew St. Cyr How else would Garona be half Human? In the game lore, she was created after Gul'dan bred a Draenei with one of his Orc warriors. But in the movie, apparently her mother was burned alive for giving birth to her, and it's seems that she's half Human-half Orc. Medivh being her father makes the most sense.
I find it to be kind of a shame that so few seem to realize that World of Warcraft was not the first game in the series. Also, a lot of criticized aspects of the movie seem to come from people whom do not understand that fact.
the lore that makes up the story of the movie was created for world of warcraft. While the warcraft franchise started in 94 with orc&humans, the story was weak and unmolded. The warcraft ip has an immense lore and depth but all of this has been built up slowly over the years and the vast majority of it comes from the world of warcraft game. therefore it's not wrong to say world of warcraft movie because all of the elements in the movie can be said to be based on world of warcraft and some of those elements existed exclusivly in world of warcraft because they hadn't been created at a time when the rts warcraft series was relevant. I can understand your concern however that people may be ignorant of the origins of the warcraft ip but i'm inclined to say that your fears are ungrounded as anyone that cares knows at least that much, and everyone else simply doesn't care.
The thing is, Warcraft humans dont look at all like IRL humans, i mean they do but they have bodybuilder bodies and chiseled chins and big proportions even the elder ones, which isnt really reflected in the movie as they look 1/3 the size of the cgi orcs, which made it weird for me actually.
I had a thought.. maybe World of Warcraft takes place on another planet with lower gravity. That might actually make it slightly more advantageous to use a heavier sword because a slightly lighter one would swing at near the same speed anyway. Idk I'm not a physicist, just a thought.
That's true, and all things being equal they would still weigh around the same weight to weight ratio of person to sword as if the gravity were higher. Maybe if they have some sort of super genetics that give them inhuman strength, but the greater the momentum of the swing would become increasingly hard to stop no matter what the gravity is. Even in Zero G it would still take more effort to move more massive objects through space. This would make super massive melee weapons basically hard to control and each shot would leave you way open, but it would become increasingly devastating depending on the mass * speed of the weapon. You would essentially be like a walking artillery piece with a huge sword that could destroy non-moving objects like carts or a phalanx of shields. Lower gravity might let you carry around this artillery piece more easily That's not how it works in world of warcraft obviously.
It's not World of Warcraft. It's just Warcraft. The movie is based on the first game that was just called Warcraft. WoW is technically number four in the game lineup, not including the expansions.
Isn't a kings sword more like an ornamental thing to show off his status? I think many cultures had weapons showing someone's status but were never used in actual battle.
Wolfram Rutherford The fact that the fel was affecting their minds was canon by Warcraft 2. In the end of the campaign of Beyond the Dark Portal there was an epilogue that being separated from the fel made them lethargic.
Mastikator Isn't that from the beginning of Warcraft 3? I know the Orcs in 1 and 2 where already using demonic magics and the like but it was just exacerbating their evil nature not the cause. Three also retroactively adds Doomhammer trying to work against the demonic influence.
Interestingly enough, I read a thing once where mythril had a lower melting temp which made the swords harder for forge, however when mages are blasting around fire as well, the heat could cause the blades to warp. one character had to have his weapon re-forged because of it. It's weight in this story, however, was more or less equivalent. The only benefit was that mages could use mythril because it didn't block their magic.
Another great video Chad. I like how you said "this is this type of fantasy" I can suspend my disbelief a bit with certain types of fantasy genre's. Awesome work as always 👍👍
The scale (especially of the hilt and handle) is so obnoxious when compared to the scale of humans, the design might have worked but scaled more properly to a human. I would have preferred more spears tho, they'd be waaay better.
I stil really, really don't understand why some people think oversized swords looks cool. I just think it looks like something a child would come up with. Never was a fan of that type of fantasy in general.
James Sarvan Well we can say those men may have grown and aged physically, but still retain all those nostalgia within them thus such acts, I still have the same perception towards this kind of stuff, but more mature now, more like an appreciation like "yeah this sword could probably more practical though it's all cool"
Yeah, I'm pretty sure any person with super-human strength would prefer to use a large sword against dragons and large beasts that realistic ones that would be like sticks to them. And just because something is aimed at children doesn't mean it bad or not enjoyable. Just because you can understand and consume more realistic media, doesn't mean you have to. Some people just prefer their fantasy being as much a dream-world as possible.
When WoW was originally released, the weapons mostly looked either weird or normal, but not extreme like they do today. I think the reason is that casters got ornamental weapons, especially staves. This is because they were relics, artifacts or works or art meant purely to channel the magic energy, not for hitting your enemies with. But then the warriors complained: "But my character looks too normal!"
It is warcraft movie and not world of warcraft which means armor weapons should be based on warcraft 1&2 reference. Those who had original CD back then had also manual which contained Metzen95 artwork and those are two different visual styles(warcraft and world of warcraft). As you shown they did use reference from world of warcraft and that is the whole problem in movie. Shame they called it warcraft and world of warcraft.
World of Warcraft is what Warcraft evolved into. There hadn't been a new Warcraft RTS in ages, when you say Warcraft the vast majority of people think WOW. Language evolves, those old artworks and styles no longer define "Warcraft"
Sorry your sword look a lot more lame than the sword in the movie. I dont mean its worse, or less functional but it looks way less impressive, not more impressive like you say. Also you dont talk about the massive size of the pommel and width of the handle which are just as much problem as the lion head.
i played world of warcraft for like 10 years and i can say most of the huge weapons in wow look like shit, and this guy is right. You probably started to play wow when you were 12 years old and your taste just stayed at the same level.
They should also make a Warcraft movie with Arthas' time in the Silver Hands Paladins till his fall where he kills the king. We know the story and plot, but I think it'd make great cinema to show.
stopped watching when you said "world of warcraft movie", joking, I love your videos. i just like pointing out its not the same thing cos im a big nerd.
These swords actually show exactly what I hate about warcraft swords in general. The way the blade ALWAYS has to swing out and become wide near the guard, and how the guard is always waaaay to thick, takes out any elegance the weapon could have it... it looks terrible :( In-game, even their basic long sword model does this, making it impossible to find a simple beautiful sword.
Lehnard While I can't find the Umbral sword you're talking about, you're partly right with regards to the elunite one. Trouble is, it still has that god awful huge guard that's like 7 cm thick... its def not the worst case I've seen, but it really just goes to show how even the most regular looking swords in wow, look bulky and clumsy
There Be Game Oh I believe you're absolute right with regards to your final point. Also taking into consideration the probably very low triangle limit they'd have for each weapon, I'm guessing they simple didnt have the polygon budget to show fine details or any kind of thin surface, because they'd add the expectations of similar detail other places. That said, as much as I love the warcraf artstyle itself, It's truly a shame they often disregard simple, more clean looking stuff, now that they have the tech. It's not that they can't do it, the stormwind guard armor is a perfect example of warcraft style armor done right, it's clean, simple, yet still very much warcraft (you could argue its even iconic). For example, all I want is a high res, long, single barreled rifle... does it exist? Nope. A majority of warcraft guns have demon heads, insect legs, 2-6 barrelts and other insane thing mounted onto that, and I'm left with the awful low res 120 triangle trash models.. *sigh* What I'm trying to say that It's difficult to not look like a try-hard clown in wow ^^
There Be Game On the other hand, it does mean you stand out once you're successful in doing something elegant. For example, I get a lot of compliments on my hunter transmog ni wow, exactly because its simple and it works, so I actually stand out as the only guy who doesn't have 10 light gems of doom mounted on his body ^^
Think about it. Those guards must withstand orc strength. If they use normal guards, they will slice through it. The size of weapon or armor is equivalent to what it was made against.
I was actually very happy with this video. You made sure to get your points across very well and gave a side and argument to both. I'm definitely subbing.
i see what you are trying to prove in this video. BUT you are trying to bring logic to something that does not exist in our realm of logic. This movie clearly follows the rules of the game not the rules of our world.
wouldn't alongate the guard, the humans from world of warcraft don't use long guards in any swords, actually, I believe their sword is more based on the scandinavian "sverd" (as you named it) than the feudal "long sword". I would have made the guard and lion's head thiner, maybe shrink the lion head as well, but definetely not alongate the guard for a warcraft sword.
I agree on the bigger pommel part. As you said, the world of Warcraft (the universe, not WoW...) features a lot of big beasts. Obviously, you need a bigger pommel to end those rightly.
I agree it looked very bad on screen to me, but it 'looks' fake and plastic because it IS. All the human equipment was made of plastic and then spray painted metalic (since they had to make lots of it)
This was a nice exposition on things. On another off topic, I actually found your Cogent roleplay channel on ItsTableTopTime which I am simply loving and laughing at so much. The first video I saw was Ogre-Confident which was "fucking ace". I got past ruin witch and am now on blood brothers. It is amazing and very enjoyable. I had absolutely no idea that you were the brother of Jazza from DrawWithJazza who I coincidentally found last year. The world is both such a large and small place.
I think they overshot the fantasy aspect. The orcs were just too big, even for warcraft. the armor could have been done better, but still keep its style. and the CGI dwarf is just outrageous. + can anyone remind me why the orc lady did not kill Gul'dan to end the war? She was right next to him. she had the opportunity and he wasn't paying attention for quite some time.
Let me explain you something, almost the only thing that made me dislike the movie... Lore! I am a lover of Warcraft Lore, and the Lore on Warcraft was just so... horrible !!! Lots of stuff didn't make any sense at all!! One of them being the Guardian curropted by a demon... God, Mefivh was more powerful than even Mannoroth and Gul'dan !!!
Why doesn't it make sense that Medivh was corrupted? I mean in the actual lore he was corrupted even before he was born. And yes that was by Sargeras who is a titan and not a demon, but I don't recall the movie ever saying anything about demons.. Just that the Fel had corrupted him, and seeing as Sargeras is the reason the Fel was unleashed upon the worlds I'd say it holds up lorewise.
NoiseVomiter You can see that in the movie, it says he is curropted by touching fel, or studying fel, or whatever it is, and in the Lore, the warcraft books' Lore, he is currpted because Sargeras's spirit manifestated himself when Medivh's mother killed Sargeras' avatar! It felt like Medivh was too weak if he got curropted just by studying fel, or touching it! Seeing it that way, he felt too weak to me! As I said, he was more powerful than Gul'dan, Gul'dan was even afraid of Medivh, and said he would NEVER fight Medivh 1v1 :D I hope I answered your question, have a good day!
Jrey mer Except the movie literally implied that Medivh was corrupted before the event of this movie. First in the scene that he was sucking Moroes life out, he stated that he was the one who bought the orc into this world. Meaning he has been in contact with them and have to be corrupted before the movie. Second when Gul'dan begin the incantation for the Dark Portal, he was waiting for somebody to open it, Garona hinted as a demon, but obviously it is Medivh. Third point that shows this is during the battle Lothar and Khadgar, he turned into a literal demon that resemblance all the iconic look of Sargeras himself.
Why doesn't she killed Gul'dan? Well he could just soul suck her and heal himself life he did with Durotan's baby. And all those blue people he imprison. He is the most powerful warlock.
I'm going to be honest: the blade you've made looks like rubbish. The size of the blade near the hilt overpowers the lion emblem (which is the centerpiece of the work). In terms of preserving the feel of the blade's aesthetic, you failed.
tbf probably difficult to do better without spending extensive time on it, a very thin lion emblem covering a similar area would of achieved similar weight distribution while looking better, but very difficult to put in
Marcusjnmc Would you expect blades of such caliber to be mass-produced on an assembly line? Consider who they are wielded by and the in-movie blade's lion-head size.
Even though it's been 2 years, I agree with you on the oversized swords that's to follow up on the fantasy of World of Warcraft. Also that in the fantasy world, there could be plenty of explaining to be done on fantasy stuff of why their armor is like that or their weapons and etc. Being realistic, it has to be in a certain way and such to fit the user. Which is why being realistic on fantasy can be complicated because your trying to turn fantasy into realistic so we will be losing this thing that's supposed to be fantasy based with very few realism. I'm not hating on any ppl that likes realism in movies and such, but I do enjoy fantasy and realism. Just realism doesn't hit the spot of entertainment, meaning, understanding, etc. Fantasy is trying to draw you in on the story, more than they are on realism of armor, weapons, tactics/strategies.
With regard to your improved sword, I thought it looked good until you enlarged the blade. That just made it look stupid (we're not paddling a canoe with it), especially with the handle looking like a matchstick in comparison. With regard to the Warcraft (movie) swords in general, I accept your premise that such a movie can get away with making them more fantasy - I just think it failed miserably. My problem with them is that (by fantasy standards) they just look really boring. They're just fat swords with a load of generic crap on the guard. If they wanted to go the fantasy route, why not make swords that are much more interesting and/or elaborate? Instead, they've sacrificed realism for . . . nothing.
In the Games WC and WoW the swords of the guards have always been boring compared to what players had. They fit there roles as a badge of sorts, To let the general public know im a storm guard. As more movies are made you'll start to see more and more fantastical weaponry.
Those swords aren’t supposed to be flashy, those are the “mass produced” swords for the cannon fodder that are the guards. Players in WoWs swords in this current expansion are literally the most powered up weapons to ever grace the planet, it’s natural for them to be far flashier than the swords for regular guards.
"If they wanted to go the fantasy route, why not make swords that are much more interesting and/or elaborate?" Because that doesn't match the Warcraft aesthetic. I would agree, if it were a new franchise, but Warcraft already has a well established aesthetic style. Even the common footman has over the top giant weapons and armor, but his weapons aren't as fancy as the ones used by the really powerful characters. If you gave, for example, Frostmourne or Ashbringer to random soldiers, it would no longer resemble Warcraft.
Yes and no. Sure, the movie is about the first war between the orcs and the humans, but the lore of the movie itself is based around the lore as it is now in WoW.
quineloe There are some changes, sure. But I was talking about things like the Draenei at the beginning, the fact that green orcs are corrupted by Fel Magic, the Frostwolf clan, Durotan, baby Thrall... none of those things were in Warcraft: Orcs and Humans.
The visuals of the world have been retconned to ever more ridiculous degrees as the franchise went on; as such comparing it to what is currently canonical in the game world (and to its fans) seems more opportune.
Ironically the Warhammer franchise is a bit more realistic than warcraft. Most of the human factions have historical counterparts and they tend to rely on guns, technology and polearms rather than swords to compete with the monster races. Also they realized that griffons are pretty neat to use for fighting rather than using them like a flying uber.
This is what I like about Shad. He appreciates realism without being a pretentious asshole about things that aren't intended to be realistic in the first place. Too many people making content about this sort of stuff are.
Everyone's got it wrong. People in the Warcraft universe don't have superhuman strength, they just have extremely fragile bodies, so that swords made out of foam and cosplay plastic are deadly to them.
Shad, speed is much efficient factor in force than weight. Force equals mass X Velocity squared. What the size would help with it durability.Which would me I think would a big boon in Medieval fantasy world with dragons, golems, etc. Also, a don't think that the Warcraft swords necessarily to be extremely heavy. If the blades were extremely thin and the fancy hilt components were of aluminum or hollow steel, they could probably be just be heavy for there historical counterparts in length.
Not to be too critical... but you made you point long before the 6 minutes you spent talking about it was up. Don't belabor the point. I came to hear about how good the swords are. You don't need to spend half the video justifying their fantastical aesthetics.
As a Warcraft player over 25 years I enjoyed this critique of the swords from the movie. And your rendition of the soldiers sword, before you increased the width of the blade was stunning. And Lion's fang, Llane's sword is certainly a wall hanger because even I thinknit looks more beautiful than practical.
a thick sword is sturdy, but heavy, which is why they are not common, however, to superhuman level capabilities, these sword's would be accurate as the sword could then double as a shield to in a sense, some sword's have small decoration's, but for me, a plain sword is just fine, however, if I am to have decoration's, then it's to have a forged image in the blade itself, like writing or a picture that doesn't lessen the blade's durability or add any unnecessary weight to it, just there for show without any contribution and in this regard, these sword's are more like large sword's, complemented with smaller sword's, knives, and a Halberd, it give's you a flexible arsenal, if you could carry them that is
So you make the arm guard and decorations much smaller but increase the sword size by 2 times its just the same if not worse than before now it will be havier on the front of the blade and not on the guard
in a world with humans riding around on undead dragons and ghost tigers, allied with asgardians, nations of space cows (draeni) and elf-troll hybrids (nigth elves), fighting green space illegal aliens (orcs) and minotaurs that came through a magical portal in time and space running from interdimmensional space pirates (burning legion) and lovecraftian horror stuff (cthuun), its the swords that you find unrealistic? i like your priorities, and agree that the metal type and enchantments would make all the difference.
i love that you showcased berserk there in regards to big swords in fantasy. Funny thing is that he is one of the few exceptions in that whole manga in regards of carrying huge weapons! :)
Idea idea. In a world with both, the bigger more decorated ones are gifts from the gods per say. They work kinda like thors hammer and only hero types can use them
I'm glad that Warcraft didn't go for a realistic aesthetic. They wanted to distinguish themselves from Lord of the Rings. Which is good. We want variability in our films.
Ashcandy and Armageddon are just HUGE! They are two of the biggest weapons in world of warcraft. Nice to hear your thoughts on the weaponry of Warcraft.
God I love these kind of science shows analyzing pop culture. Definitly subscribing, your videos are excellent. Great photoshop skills too there mate ! Then there's the voice. I'm not native so I guess that'll be weird to most of you, but damn don't you have the same accent as Sam in Game of Thrones ! I see you are Australian (that's one of the accents I don't seem to be able to identify), does that mean Sam has an Australian accent or do you have an atypical accent yourself ?
I think the lions looked so big so they'd be seen on screen. I certainly agree with and enjoyed your changes though. That's just my guess is all. If they were too small, it might not be as I dunno, epic looking. It looks cool is good enough for me in a fantasy movie, especially Warcraft. Great video!
Hey Shad, it would be awesome if you could make a video analysing the swords from the Lord of the Rings/the Hobbit, because some of them are designed to be fantasy-style while others are more practical e.g. Anduril, Glamdring, Sting, Orcrist, Hadhafang, Herugrim, the Orc/Uruk-hai machetes, Thorin's dwarven sword, elven weapons etc... Thanks for looking!
In World of Warcraft, since the advent of Transmog, I tend to go out of my way to make my gear simpler, more practical than most other people. For instance, my Warrior (Fury spec) Dual wielded Heavy Copper Longswords. I also got the smallest shoulders I could find, and tried to make my character look like a soldier who was ready for a real fight at a moment's notice... I can't say I succeeded all that well, but that's what I went for.
I had to pause the video to comment on how much BETTER you turned the guard's sword into. I didnt expect such a massive piece to be able of be shrunk in that way, but damn it looks 100 better now, while maintaining that WoW bulky feel.
Im a person who has actually made a 42" sword from pommel to tip, oit of a pickup truck leaf spring. Its as straight as a laser beam and shiny as a mirror. Its 1/4" thick at hilt, tapering to 1/8"at at tip. It has a royal blue 100%leather handle wrap. The handle is long enough sp it can be swung like a baseball bat. I took it to work and had it tested for hardness and it scored 66 on the rockwell hardness test. So whats my point? None of you would believe how much work goes into a sword!!! These swords to me are just fine but are they really battle ready like mine is or are they wall hangers and cheap?
The guard was the first thing that I felt was off; however, you could keep the lionhead, at roughly the same size, but cut down hugely on its weight by simply making it a shallow bas relief or even an emboss.
The problem with realistic oversized swords that one could use in a phantasy scenario is that if one character is capable of using such a huge and heavy weapon it still would be more effective for him to use a lighter weapon because it would swing it way faster then using a heavier weapon or a 'normal' character with a lighter weapon. The physics tell us that the force is equivalent to the mass times speed squared witch means that speed is way more important at delivering a powerfull blow then mass. Nice videos btw!
hay I love these videos and I would love to hear more about the Warcraft weapons specifically. but I had one problem and that was I could not tell how big the sword was. do you think in the future you could include a ruler or something to help gauge size better.
but wouldn't the thinning of the blade from 2 cm to 5-2 mm lose the advantage of the cutting power that comes from the immense weight of the blade that you mentioned earlier?
WoW isn't a good comparison for the movie. Warcraft:Orcs and Humans, the original game where the story of the movie is based of off, should be the one. At least Warcraft 3, WoW is a burning pile of Sylvannas now
You're very right about this just because they're super strong doesn't mean they would deliberately reduce the cutting potential of any sword. I'm a huge Warcraft fan btw but you're right.
Mithril while tough and appropriate for armor is not able to be processed/heat treated to actually hold an edge sufficiently to make for a usable weapon.
8:45 I would like one of those! (Question: What are your thoughts on RuneScape's teir 4 Wilderness Sword? I know the blade shape resembles that of a baseball bat, but what are you sort of rants about its obvious flaws? same as this video?)
One clean fantasy way to explain oversized weapons is to say that they were actually daggers made for giants. This would work in both grounded and high-fantasy type settings.
You wouldn't want a weighted pommel on a weapon of this sort. This is not a fencing weapon. This is a chopper, a slasher, a stabber. It's used with a shield, which is what you'd be doing the parrying with. A weighted pommel makes for less energetic swings, which is the opposite of what you want for this type of weapon used in the sort of fighting we see displayed in the film. It's what you want for a weapon with which you'd be parrying and deflecting incoming blows. A weighted pommel makes for a handy weapon, one that's easy to bring about with just the action of your wrist, but at the cost of leaving you with less impactful blows. Imagine using a regular carpenter's hammer or a felling axe that has a head on both ends. It still works, but not nearly as well.
In the corrected Royal Guard sword, I would keep the pomel just a little thicker, as a designer. Yes, it needs to be thinner and wider than it was, but you made it a little too thin, to the point that it looks like it would snap, due to the ornamentation of the mane/wing design of it. Just a tad thicker, even though that would probably make it too heavy, and I think it would look much better.
I think the size and thickness of the features looked at are due to the need to make those things stand out to the sight of the general crowd than the realist sight of the expert in weapons. Which I think is the reason it is done in games as well.
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i was expecting you to be much more one sided on this subject, props to you for looking at it from all angles, very good vid
I'm honoured you think so, thanks mate!
It's a pity that I find your mislabelling the movie as " World Of Warcraft movie" (it have very ,very little to do with WoW) to be particularly grating.It's based on a story that predates WoW by at least a decade .
remliqa look i get it, forming proper sentences is annoying and all, but could you at least try? the red squiggles under your words are hints that something could be wrong with your spelling/grammar.
cet 96 Corrected that one spelling error, just for you.
I still stand by my statement, though.
remliqa ... please read it over again, there are multiple grammatical errors......
And then, in the game's expansion Wrath of the Lich King, we learn that Warcraft humans are deformed (mutated due to a curse) descendants of a powerful race called the Vrykul.
The Vrykul are at LEAST twice as large as humans, newborns were able to walk immediately after birth, their flesh are almost as hard as stone, etc.
Despite being much smaller and severely weaker than their Vrykul ancestors, Warcraft humans still seem to retain a non-negligible portion of their ancestors' physical prowess, as they are more or less still able to stand toe-to-toe with Orcs and other monstrosities.
Those Warcraft humans are physically quite different from us Earth humans.
I was going to suggest a what if the humans in warcraft are stronger than real world humans. I'm not familiar with warcraft lore but is there anything in the lore that suggests otherwise?
Lightning LJ I mean... he literally just said it. It says it in his comment and you still have the audacity to ask. BRUH
@@Monyato just wanted to clarify, i only ever played Warcraft 3, and saw the movie
just a quick note: Orcs, just as Humans, are descendants of a race created by titans. Hell, pretty much every playable race in WoW created by titans except of Elves, Trolls and Drenai. Drenai are aliens, while trolls are original Azeroth's race and elves...Well, elves are trolls (no kidding. They are)
@@Monyato "you still have the audacity"
Didn't your mother teach you some manners
"hey guys, you guys like big weapons?" *monster hunter walks in with a house attached to a tree*
a house attached to a tree is a pocket knife by Monster Hunter standards
Heh. Monster Hunter is realy oversized on many things. But hey. Looks cool!
especially being a lame game
@@matthewellis6516 you're entitled to your opinions, even if they're wrong.
@@javannapoli2018 lol
"-Really really big swords" [shows picture of Guts]
I was waiting for that!
It's not a sword, it's a hunk of metal, lol.
That thing was too big to be called a sword. Too thick, too heavy, and far too rough.
It was more like a heap of raw iron.
Also, people need to stop pretending thick blades can't cut. We use thick blades all the time. We just use them to cut very heavy materials where we can apply enormous forces... like those necessary to swing a blade that large in the first place.
seigeengine It's not that thick blades can't cut, it's that thick cross-sections cut poorly. The line between "cutting" and just "mashing" is very vague when the blade is thick enough to have a point approaching 45 degrees.
seigeengine "Your argument is invalid because it's just fantasy"
to be fair, if you were going up against huge monsters; you would never use a sword in the first place. what comes to mind is something like an anti-armor polearm (like a bec de corbin or somethin).
a Halberd would work right?
halberd is an excellent choice as it has insane cutting power
Yeah, but then you have to watch people fighting with the human male polearm/staff animation and who wants to see that? (-:
Good point xD everybody seems to prefer swords because they look cool when used
Indeed, you would definitely want to keep these critters as far away from you as possible. Of course, you would still need a proper sidearm, though ;)
...I really liked the Warcraft movie.
THERE! I SAID IT!
Me too. Maybe not a "critically great movie", but a very serviceable and enjoyable adaptation of a videogame to the film media. Also China apparently loved it.
I was expecting a lore accurate adaptation of the First War, but my expectations were subverted. Didn't know beforehand they actually released a comic book which predates the events of the movie by a few years or so. Either way, I still liked it, would be cool to see how this universe would play out as opposed to the main one where the Horde won the first war.
5:34 I have a realistic explanation for both realistic and super-fantasy swords co-existing in the same world: the realistic swords are used in actual battles, while the oversized/impractical fantasy swords are used for ceremony.
Then a millennium later, laymen of archaeology mistakenly think that these ceremonial swords were used in battle, when they weren't.
You must also be a fan of HOMM series lol
and quadruple ballastas from a siege engineer!
Yuexin Huo Yep, I sure am.
Im pretty sure this was done in real life too, I actually remember seeing a rather fancy sword in a museum in London that was about 3m (10 foot) or so in length (which Id say is impractically large) that was ment purely for ceremonial use
Anothe realistic explanation would be that these oversized swords are ALL Magical!
Your general soldier and peasant would have just a standard sword, the King, the Royal Guard etc. have these beautifully ornate Magical Swords that are enchanted also to feel like a normal Longsword.
Sort of like the Sun Blade of AD&D Lore! {A Hand and a Half or B@st@rd Sword that is enchanted to wieldable like a Short Sword or Gladius which is what the D&D Short Sword is based on}.
I'd be more willing to give the king's sword a little bit more leeway on those issues, after all, it's been made for the _king_, it need to be visually impressive as compared to the guards' swords.
Why do you keep calling it "World of Warcraft" movie? Isn't it just a Warcraft movie?
It is, it's story doesn't have anything to do with WoW.
It's all the same thing really...the movie may take place previous to where the WoW mmo starts, but it's all the same lore, so it doesn't really matter!
+Philbrush
It matters in so far that people playing the game after seeing the movie are going to be confused.
But in the end you are right, it bothers me but it's really just a nerd thing.
It would be sort of like people saying Spock was a full Vulcan, it's really just a technicality and doesn't really matter much.
+Lord Muhehe
It absolutely does have a lot to do with World of Warcraft, as it explains how the orcs got to Azeroth when their home world is called Draenor.
However, you are also correct since they did change the story a bit, so I'm not sure how much the movies are going to have to do with the game lore.
Nerobyrne That doesn't mean it's WoW movie.
WoW storyline begins after the end of Frozen Throne expansion. Warcraft movie is based on first Warcraft game.
When they'll start killing C'Thun or Nefarian and invading Naxxramas, then it will be WoW movie.
I think that the reason the blades have such a depth is because they have that same depth in game. The game engine was created in the early 2000s and to make the blades look better on a screen of pixels, they made them much thicker. That way you can still see the blade when looking at it from the side, the edge would be thick enough to be visable.
Anyways, have you played Wow? I'm quite new to the channel so I you have already mentioned it somewhere, I apoligize.
Hi ! You are totally right about the engine, but i believe that is not the only answer! If it was a sword to thin, then we would never have defeated Nefarian and many others :p
Jrey mer I agree, big bosses require big swords! :)
Thats the Point.
Yes, I wanted to write the same opinion.
It's just Warcraft btw. Wow is a game(one of 4), Warcraft is the franchise.
Well blizzard practically just butchered the phrase "in the world of _______________" while explaining some universe or some world, it became something a specific subject rather than in a sense of explaining.
+Alvin Cardinal What are you talking about.
That's why we say in the warcraft universe.
not to mention that the kings sword has spikes pointing at your hand
There's actually been a running joke in the WoW community about how the swords they design and put in the game right now are SO thick that it's like hitting them with a sharpened rock.
Not surprised. Swords like Ashbringer have blade bevels that aren't even ax sharp.
The denizens of Azeroth will be fine, because no matter how big the swords get, their shoulder pads will be even bigger!
Kyle Posey What's really annoying is that the daggers look like thick stones with no edge. I just transmog most of my artifact weapons.
Did somebody say [Thunderfury, blessed blade of the Windseeker]?
Unholy DK artifact XD
Perhaps they can smelt titanium in Azeroth, dragon fire forge or something. The ability to cast hollow bronze shapes has been around since the iron age and they have been used in sword guards, the lion heads could also be made out o two halve of iron plates beaten into shape and married together.
It might also have an enchantment on it that straight up makes it weigh less and makes the user stronger. He might have magic greaves that glue him to the ground. Or the pommel is magically creating a counter balance whenever he swings the sword. They have flying cities and teleporting wizards and demons opening dimensional portals to other planets, it would be weird and out of character for the royal guard to have mundane and realistic arms.
+Mastikator +MrMonkeybat
There are tons of different fantasy materials in Azeroth, and all of them are lighter than Steel, from the basic Mithrill to the more commonly used Saronite, or Elementium.
Saronite honestly would not be that common, it's the blood of Yogg.
allied006
The Scourge has huge Saronite operations, the whole of ICC was made from Saronite, every armor piece that Death Knights wear IS Saronite.
Fiusha Ironfoot Guess you are right, it's still the blood of Yogg, which is weird.
I'll admit I liked it. Okay there were major problems with the film but it stuck pretty close to the Warcraft lore and gave a good reason why the Orcs were coming through.
A major problem with it is that they cut out 40 minutes from the finished cut, to make it fit into 2 hours. That's a lot of material. So the scenes felt very rushed and there were big problems with the transitions.
um but they didn't stay true to the game lore though. They made several changes like Gul'dan openly being the leader, the Frostwolves joining the initial invasion, Doomhammer being a Frostwolf instead of Blackrock, Garona being Medivh's daughter, the Orcs not all invading at once and completely destroying Stormwind etc.
Also in the movie they made it look like Gul'dan infused all the Orcs himself by draining souls, but in reality they turned green and stuff by drinking the blood of Mannoroth.
Mozilla Firefox They did make a bunch of changes, but most of the changes turned out fine. It didn't need to be a carbon copy of WC1 story, I think it adapted some story elements fine.
The Garona origin thing is the only one I kind of mind, especially since there's a scene with her talking to a draenei, which I took as kinda symbolic.
It's okay that they didn't involve the Burning Legion elements directly, it was a really crowded movie anyway,
Where did they ever say Garona was Medivh's daughter? I have seen the movie and all Medivh said was that once, when he was in a far away place, he was in love with someone; yet people take that to mean he's Garona's father? My family know nothing of Warcraft lore and they did not come to that conclusion when they heard what Medivh said. If anything, I take what Medivh said as an implication of how Medivh knows of the continent of Kalimdor (after all, as far as I know, it was never revealed in Warcraft 3 how Medivh knew of Kalimdor's existence).
Matthew St. Cyr How else would Garona be half Human? In the game lore, she was created after Gul'dan bred a Draenei with one of his Orc warriors. But in the movie, apparently her mother was burned alive for giving birth to her, and it's seems that she's half Human-half Orc. Medivh being her father makes the most sense.
Not World of warcraft...
Warcraft who started in 1995.
1994.
was it? oh i might have thought about D1 when i said 1995
1994 Warcraft: Orcs & Humans
1995 Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness
1996 Warcraft II: Beyond the Dark Portal
Diablo, December 31, 1996 (nearly 1997)
I find it to be kind of a shame that so few seem to realize that World of Warcraft was not the first game in the series. Also, a lot of criticized aspects of the movie seem to come from people whom do not understand that fact.
the lore that makes up the story of the movie was created for world of warcraft. While the warcraft franchise started in 94 with orc&humans, the story was weak and unmolded. The warcraft ip has an immense lore and depth but all of this has been built up slowly over the years and the vast majority of it comes from the world of warcraft game. therefore it's not wrong to say world of warcraft movie because all of the elements in the movie can be said to be based on world of warcraft and some of those elements existed exclusivly in world of warcraft because they hadn't been created at a time when the rts warcraft series was relevant.
I can understand your concern however that people may be ignorant of the origins of the warcraft ip but i'm inclined to say that your fears are ungrounded as anyone that cares knows at least that much, and everyone else simply doesn't care.
But with your proposed changes, it's just a big sword, where as before it had a high fantasy look to it, now it just looks like a big sword.
The thing is, Warcraft humans dont look at all like IRL humans, i mean they do but they have bodybuilder bodies and chiseled chins and big proportions even the elder ones, which isnt really reflected in the movie as they look 1/3 the size of the cgi orcs, which made it weird for me actually.
I was weirded out by the level of fakeness in every scene.
I had a thought.. maybe World of Warcraft takes place on another planet with lower gravity. That might actually make it slightly more advantageous to use a heavier sword because a slightly lighter one would swing at near the same speed anyway. Idk I'm not a physicist, just a thought.
This is an interesting take, but the problem is that if the gravity were less, the bone and muscle density of the people would also be less.
That's true, and all things being equal they would still weigh around the same weight to weight ratio of person to sword as if the gravity were higher.
Maybe if they have some sort of super genetics that give them inhuman strength, but the greater the momentum of the swing would become increasingly hard to stop no matter what the gravity is. Even in Zero G it would still take more effort to move more massive objects through space.
This would make super massive melee weapons basically hard to control and each shot would leave you way open, but it would become increasingly devastating depending on the mass * speed of the weapon. You would essentially be like a walking artillery piece with a huge sword that could destroy non-moving objects like carts or a phalanx of shields. Lower gravity might let you carry around this artillery piece more easily
That's not how it works in world of warcraft obviously.
It's not World of Warcraft. It's just Warcraft. The movie is based on the first game that was just called Warcraft. WoW is technically number four in the game lineup, not including the expansions.
Isn't a kings sword more like an ornamental thing to show off his status? I think many cultures had weapons showing someone's status but were never used in actual battle.
In normal circumstances, yes, but the King of Stormwind was a warrior king. He would lead his soldiers from the front line.
Old warcraft 2 art was quite really nice i.imgur.com/EJZIdCy.jpg
good old days when they were a shameless about copying stuff from warhammer.
If they make a sequel then I hope they bring in some death knights. pureawesome.net/wow/110509_olddk.jpg
Always liked Warcraft 1 and 2 but didn't care for 3 and WOW. Making the Orcs more rounded characters actually made me like them a lot less.
Wolfram Rutherford
The fact that the fel was affecting their minds was canon by Warcraft 2. In the end of the campaign of Beyond the Dark Portal there was an epilogue that being separated from the fel made them lethargic.
Mastikator Isn't that from the beginning of Warcraft 3? I know the Orcs in 1 and 2 where already using demonic magics and the like but it was just exacerbating their evil nature not the cause. Three also retroactively adds Doomhammer trying to work against the demonic influence.
Interestingly enough, I read a thing once where mythril had a lower melting temp which made the swords harder for forge, however when mages are blasting around fire as well, the heat could cause the blades to warp. one character had to have his weapon re-forged because of it. It's weight in this story, however, was more or less equivalent. The only benefit was that mages could use mythril because it didn't block their magic.
Another great video Chad. I like how you said "this is this type of fantasy" I can suspend my disbelief a bit with certain types of fantasy genre's. Awesome work as always 👍👍
The scale (especially of the hilt and handle) is so obnoxious when compared to the scale of humans, the design might have worked but scaled more properly to a human. I would have preferred more spears tho, they'd be waaay better.
I stil really, really don't understand why some people think oversized swords looks cool. I just think it looks like something a child would come up with. Never was a fan of that type of fantasy in general.
That's the point bro, the target audience man, were young boys around the release of Warcraft to WoW, now we're adults.
Alvin Cardinal Fair enough. Then I will rephrase my statement to "I don't understand how grown up men still can find it interesting".
James Sarvan
Well we can say those men may have grown and aged physically, but still retain all those nostalgia within them thus such acts, I still have the same perception towards this kind of stuff, but more mature now, more like an appreciation like "yeah this sword could probably more practical though it's all cool"
Yeah, I'm pretty sure any person with super-human strength would prefer to use a large sword against dragons and large beasts that realistic ones that would be like sticks to them.
And just because something is aimed at children doesn't mean it bad or not enjoyable. Just because you can understand and consume more realistic media, doesn't mean you have to. Some people just prefer their fantasy being as much a dream-world as possible.
Pacific Rim. sometime we just love stupid stuffs that looks cool.
the sword you made was way better looking than that crappy meatcleaver with no proper guard.... 😊
Love the way you make these videos Shad! Your reasoning, explanations, and the visuals were all excellently done sir, as always.
When WoW was originally released, the weapons mostly looked either weird or normal, but not extreme like they do today.
I think the reason is that casters got ornamental weapons, especially staves. This is because they were relics, artifacts or works or art meant purely to channel the magic energy, not for hitting your enemies with.
But then the warriors complained:
"But my character looks too normal!"
It is warcraft movie and not world of warcraft which means armor weapons should be based on warcraft 1&2 reference. Those who had original CD back then had also manual which contained Metzen95 artwork and those are two different visual styles(warcraft and world of warcraft). As you shown they did use reference from world of warcraft and that is the whole problem in movie. Shame they called it warcraft and world of warcraft.
World of Warcraft is what Warcraft evolved into. There hadn't been a new Warcraft RTS in ages, when you say Warcraft the vast majority of people think WOW. Language evolves, those old artworks and styles no longer define "Warcraft"
@@deniskalev5805 Never played WoW. It probably is the reason I liked the movie very much. Journey back to my childhood with RTS games.
Sorry your sword look a lot more lame than the sword in the movie. I dont mean its worse, or less functional but it looks way less impressive, not more impressive like you say. Also you dont talk about the massive size of the pommel and width of the handle which are just as much problem as the lion head.
This would depend on wether the watcher of the movie has any knowledge of swords....
i played world of warcraft for like 10 years and i can say most of the huge weapons in wow look like shit, and this guy is right. You probably started to play wow when you were 12 years old and your taste just stayed at the same level.
They should also make a Warcraft movie with Arthas' time in the Silver Hands Paladins till his fall where he kills the king. We know the story and plot, but I think it'd make great cinema to show.
stopped watching when you said "world of warcraft movie", joking, I love your videos. i just like pointing out its not the same thing cos im a big nerd.
These swords actually show exactly what I hate about warcraft swords in general. The way the blade ALWAYS has to swing out and become wide near the guard, and how the guard is always waaaay to thick, takes out any elegance the weapon could have it... it looks terrible :(
In-game, even their basic long sword model does this, making it impossible to find a simple beautiful sword.
There are some that don't do it like the Umbral/Elunite Swort
Lehnard While I can't find the Umbral sword you're talking about, you're partly right with regards to the elunite one.
Trouble is, it still has that god awful huge guard that's like 7 cm thick... its def not the worst case I've seen, but it really just goes to show how even the most regular looking swords in wow, look bulky and clumsy
There Be Game Oh I believe you're absolute right with regards to your final point. Also taking into consideration the probably very low triangle limit they'd have for each weapon, I'm guessing they simple didnt have the polygon budget to show fine details or any kind of thin surface, because they'd add the expectations of similar detail other places.
That said, as much as I love the warcraf artstyle itself, It's truly a shame they often disregard simple, more clean looking stuff, now that they have the tech.
It's not that they can't do it, the stormwind guard armor is a perfect example of warcraft style armor done right, it's clean, simple, yet still very much warcraft (you could argue its even iconic).
For example, all I want is a high res, long, single barreled rifle... does it exist? Nope. A majority of warcraft guns have demon heads, insect legs, 2-6 barrelts and other insane thing mounted onto that, and I'm left with the awful low res 120 triangle trash models.. *sigh*
What I'm trying to say that It's difficult to not look like a try-hard clown in wow ^^
There Be Game On the other hand, it does mean you stand out once you're successful in doing something elegant. For example, I get a lot of compliments on my hunter transmog ni wow, exactly because its simple and it works, so I actually stand out as the only guy who doesn't have 10 light gems of doom mounted on his body ^^
Think about it. Those guards must withstand orc strength. If they use normal guards, they will slice through it. The size of weapon or armor is equivalent to what it was made against.
I was actually very happy with this video. You made sure to get your points across very well and gave a side and argument to both. I'm definitely subbing.
8:38 There. Stop right there.
Mabye the king wanted the only practical sword so he just looks more skillfull than anyone else in the kingdom. 😂
i see what you are trying to prove in this video. BUT you are trying to bring logic to something that does not exist in our realm of logic. This movie clearly follows the rules of the game not the rules of our world.
I'd want to fix the guard of the king's sword as well. That "fur" curl towards the hand would severely interfere with usage.
wouldn't alongate the guard, the humans from world of warcraft don't use long guards in any swords, actually, I believe their sword is more based on the scandinavian "sverd" (as you named it) than the feudal "long sword". I would have made the guard and lion's head thiner, maybe shrink the lion head as well, but definetely not alongate the guard for a warcraft sword.
I agree on the bigger pommel part. As you said, the world of Warcraft (the universe, not WoW...) features a lot of big beasts. Obviously, you need a bigger pommel to end those rightly.
Human armor looked absolutely fake and plastic.
yea they looked pretty rad
I agree it looked very bad on screen to me, but it 'looks' fake and plastic because it IS. All the human equipment was made of plastic and then spray painted metalic (since they had to make lots of it)
It looked pretty much like the armor in the game, so I won't complain.
More like leather pieces
yeah but, come on with the budget this film had they could've afforded better costumes, even GoT has 'realer' looking armour, and that's a TV show
What I liked most in this video is the suggestions you're making and that you share your ideas what the swords should look like.
This was a nice exposition on things. On another off topic, I actually found your Cogent roleplay channel on ItsTableTopTime which I am simply loving and laughing at so much. The first video I saw was Ogre-Confident which was "fucking ace". I got past ruin witch and am now on blood brothers. It is amazing and very enjoyable. I had absolutely no idea that you were the brother of Jazza from DrawWithJazza who I coincidentally found last year. The world is both such a large and small place.
I think they overshot the fantasy aspect. The orcs were just too big, even for warcraft. the armor could have been done better, but still keep its style. and the CGI dwarf is just outrageous.
+ can anyone remind me why the orc lady did not kill Gul'dan to end the war? She was right next to him. she had the opportunity and he wasn't paying attention for quite some time.
Let me explain you something, almost the only thing that made me dislike the movie... Lore! I am a lover of Warcraft Lore, and the Lore on Warcraft was just so... horrible !!!
Lots of stuff didn't make any sense at all!! One of them being the Guardian curropted by a demon... God, Mefivh was more powerful than even Mannoroth and Gul'dan !!!
Why doesn't it make sense that Medivh was corrupted? I mean in the actual lore he was corrupted even before he was born.
And yes that was by Sargeras who is a titan and not a demon, but I don't recall the movie ever saying anything about demons.. Just that the Fel had corrupted him, and seeing as Sargeras is the reason the Fel was unleashed upon the worlds I'd say it holds up lorewise.
NoiseVomiter You can see that in the movie, it says he is curropted by touching fel, or studying fel, or whatever it is, and in the Lore, the warcraft books' Lore, he is currpted because Sargeras's spirit manifestated himself when Medivh's mother killed Sargeras' avatar! It felt like Medivh was too weak if he got curropted just by studying fel, or touching it! Seeing it that way, he felt too weak to me! As I said, he was more powerful than Gul'dan, Gul'dan was even afraid of Medivh, and said he would NEVER fight Medivh 1v1 :D I hope I answered your question, have a good day!
Jrey mer Except the movie literally implied that Medivh was corrupted before the event of this movie. First in the scene that he was sucking Moroes life out, he stated that he was the one who bought the orc into this world. Meaning he has been in contact with them and have to be corrupted before the movie. Second when Gul'dan begin the incantation for the Dark Portal, he was waiting for somebody to open it, Garona hinted as a demon, but obviously it is Medivh. Third point that shows this is during the battle Lothar and Khadgar, he turned into a literal demon that resemblance all the iconic look of Sargeras himself.
Why doesn't she killed Gul'dan? Well he could just soul suck her and heal himself life he did with Durotan's baby. And all those blue people he imprison. He is the most powerful warlock.
I'm going to be honest: the blade you've made looks like rubbish. The size of the blade near the hilt overpowers the lion emblem (which is the centerpiece of the work). In terms of preserving the feel of the blade's aesthetic, you failed.
The guard looks silly, too.
Yyyeah, when he was about to say how to make the blade bigger, I thought he'd just lengthen it - but when it got wider... yikes. That's a bit much.
He made it into Sting.
tbf probably difficult to do better without spending extensive time on it, a very thin lion emblem covering a similar area would of achieved similar weight distribution while looking better, but very difficult to put in
Marcusjnmc Would you expect blades of such caliber to be mass-produced on an assembly line? Consider who they are wielded by and the in-movie blade's lion-head size.
This reminds me of something Skallagrim will comment upon. Its a nice video, and I love your commentary on the design choices.
Even though it's been 2 years, I agree with you on the oversized swords that's to follow up on the fantasy of World of Warcraft. Also that in the fantasy world, there could be plenty of explaining to be done on fantasy stuff of why their armor is like that or their weapons and etc. Being realistic, it has to be in a certain way and such to fit the user. Which is why being realistic on fantasy can be complicated because your trying to turn fantasy into realistic so we will be losing this thing that's supposed to be fantasy based with very few realism.
I'm not hating on any ppl that likes realism in movies and such, but I do enjoy fantasy and realism. Just realism doesn't hit the spot of entertainment, meaning, understanding, etc. Fantasy is trying to draw you in on the story, more than they are on realism of armor, weapons, tactics/strategies.
With regard to your improved sword, I thought it looked good until you enlarged the blade. That just made it look stupid (we're not paddling a canoe with it), especially with the handle looking like a matchstick in comparison.
With regard to the Warcraft (movie) swords in general, I accept your premise that such a movie can get away with making them more fantasy - I just think it failed miserably. My problem with them is that (by fantasy standards) they just look really boring. They're just fat swords with a load of generic crap on the guard. If they wanted to go the fantasy route, why not make swords that are much more interesting and/or elaborate? Instead, they've sacrificed realism for . . . nothing.
yeah i would've gone longer but not wider
In the Games WC and WoW the swords of the guards have always been boring compared to what players had. They fit there roles as a badge of sorts, To let the general public know im a storm guard. As more movies are made you'll start to see more and more fantastical weaponry.
Those swords aren’t supposed to be flashy, those are the “mass produced” swords for the cannon fodder that are the guards. Players in WoWs swords in this current expansion are literally the most powered up weapons to ever grace the planet, it’s natural for them to be far flashier than the swords for regular guards.
"If they wanted to go the fantasy route, why not make swords that are much more interesting and/or elaborate?" Because that doesn't match the Warcraft aesthetic. I would agree, if it were a new franchise, but Warcraft already has a well established aesthetic style. Even the common footman has over the top giant weapons and armor, but his weapons aren't as fancy as the ones used by the really powerful characters. If you gave, for example, Frostmourne or Ashbringer to random soldiers, it would no longer resemble Warcraft.
You showed the wrong fucking video game
Warcraft TB is based on Warcraft 1 Orcs & Humans, not WoW.
WoW lore sucks... they have to make Warcraft 3 RoC and TFT movie
Yes and no.
Sure, the movie is about the first war between the orcs and the humans, but the lore of the movie itself is based around the lore as it is now in WoW.
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actually no. WoW Lore is the Orc campaign ending of Warcraft, the movie depicted the human campaign ending.
quineloe There are some changes, sure. But I was talking about things like the Draenei at the beginning, the fact that green orcs are corrupted by Fel Magic, the Frostwolf clan, Durotan, baby Thrall... none of those things were in Warcraft: Orcs and Humans.
The visuals of the world have been retconned to ever more ridiculous degrees as the franchise went on; as such comparing it to what is currently canonical in the game world (and to its fans) seems more opportune.
Could you do a video series on the Warhammer franchise? I want to know what you think of it from reality to practicality.
Ironically the Warhammer franchise is a bit more realistic than warcraft. Most of the human factions have historical counterparts and they tend to rely on guns, technology and polearms rather than swords to compete with the monster races. Also they realized that griffons are pretty neat to use for fighting rather than using them like a flying uber.
This is what I like about Shad. He appreciates realism without being a pretentious asshole about things that aren't intended to be realistic in the first place. Too many people making content about this sort of stuff are.
Warcraft is the high fantasy of high fantasy. it's almost Age of Sigmar levels of high fantasy.
Might need to catch up :)
Everyone's got it wrong. People in the Warcraft universe don't have superhuman strength, they just have extremely fragile bodies, so that swords made out of foam and cosplay plastic are deadly to them.
The Royal Guard edited version of the sword looks SOOOO good, I absolutely loved it.
Shad, speed is much efficient factor in force than weight. Force equals mass X Velocity squared. What the size would help with it durability.Which would me I think would a big boon in Medieval fantasy world with dragons, golems, etc. Also, a don't think that the Warcraft swords necessarily to be extremely heavy. If the blades were extremely thin and the fancy hilt components were of aluminum or hollow steel, they could probably be just be heavy for there historical counterparts in length.
Not to be too critical... but you made you point long before the 6 minutes you spent talking about it was up.
Don't belabor the point. I came to hear about how good the swords are. You don't need to spend half the video justifying their fantastical aesthetics.
people use huge swords to compensate for their smaller sword lol. That's why I fight with a toothpick
Ken Millspaw Must be a big toothpick.
As a Warcraft player over 25 years I enjoyed this critique of the swords from the movie.
And your rendition of the soldiers sword, before you increased the width of the blade was stunning.
And Lion's fang, Llane's sword is certainly a wall hanger because even I thinknit looks more beautiful than practical.
a thick sword is sturdy, but heavy, which is why they are not common, however, to superhuman level capabilities, these sword's would be accurate as the sword could then double as a shield to
in a sense, some sword's have small decoration's, but for me, a plain sword is just fine, however, if I am to have decoration's, then it's to have a forged image in the blade itself, like writing or a picture that doesn't lessen the blade's durability or add any unnecessary weight to it, just there for show without any contribution
and in this regard, these sword's are more like large sword's, complemented with smaller sword's, knives, and a Halberd, it give's you a flexible arsenal, if you could carry them that is
The whole movie looked like a bunch of guys doing larp on camera. Everything was ridiculous.
Except the Orcs. The Orcs were amazing. The effects didn't do a good job integrating the humans with the CGI, but the Orcs were just really well done.
"Sometimes we just like really really big swords" Indeed we do my friend.
That’s what she said
So you make the arm guard and decorations much smaller but increase the sword size by 2 times its just the same if not worse than before now it will be havier on the front of the blade and not on the guard
in a world with humans riding around on undead dragons and ghost tigers, allied with asgardians, nations of space cows (draeni) and elf-troll hybrids (nigth elves), fighting green space illegal aliens (orcs) and minotaurs that came through a magical portal in time and space running from interdimmensional space pirates (burning legion) and lovecraftian horror stuff (cthuun), its the swords that you find unrealistic? i like your priorities, and agree that the metal type and enchantments would make all the difference.
cool in skyrim? that was a mod
i love that you showcased berserk there in regards to big swords in fantasy. Funny thing is that he is one of the few exceptions in that whole manga in regards of carrying huge weapons! :)
Idea idea. In a world with both, the bigger more decorated ones are gifts from the gods per say. They work kinda like thors hammer and only hero types can use them
I'm glad that Warcraft didn't go for a realistic aesthetic. They wanted to distinguish themselves from Lord of the Rings. Which is good. We want variability in our films.
I think Warcraft was a great fantasy movie and didn't deserve so much hate, flawed yes, entertaining, heck yeah and I knew nothing going in
Ashcandy and Armageddon are just HUGE! They are two of the biggest weapons in world of warcraft. Nice to hear your thoughts on the weaponry of Warcraft.
God I love these kind of science shows analyzing pop culture. Definitly subscribing, your videos are excellent. Great photoshop skills too there mate !
Then there's the voice. I'm not native so I guess that'll be weird to most of you, but damn don't you have the same accent as Sam in Game of Thrones ! I see you are Australian (that's one of the accents I don't seem to be able to identify), does that mean Sam has an Australian accent or do you have an atypical accent yourself ?
The constant humming in my left ear from the background audio is telling me to steal all the Trident Gum from every gas station.
I think the lions looked so big so they'd be seen on screen. I certainly agree with and enjoyed your changes though. That's just my guess is all. If they were too small, it might not be as I dunno, epic looking. It looks cool is good enough for me in a fantasy movie, especially Warcraft. Great video!
Hey Shad, it would be awesome if you could make a video analysing the swords from the Lord of the Rings/the Hobbit, because some of them are designed to be fantasy-style while others are more practical e.g. Anduril, Glamdring, Sting, Orcrist, Hadhafang, Herugrim, the Orc/Uruk-hai machetes, Thorin's dwarven sword, elven weapons etc... Thanks for looking!
In World of Warcraft, since the advent of Transmog, I tend to go out of my way to make my gear simpler, more practical than most other people. For instance, my Warrior (Fury spec) Dual wielded Heavy Copper Longswords. I also got the smallest shoulders I could find, and tried to make my character look like a soldier who was ready for a real fight at a moment's notice... I can't say I succeeded all that well, but that's what I went for.
I had to pause the video to comment on how much BETTER you turned the guard's sword into. I didnt expect such a massive piece to be able of be shrunk in that way, but damn it looks 100 better now, while maintaining that WoW bulky feel.
Im a person who has actually made a 42" sword from pommel to tip, oit of a pickup truck leaf spring. Its as straight as a laser beam and shiny as a mirror. Its 1/4" thick at hilt, tapering to 1/8"at at tip. It has a royal blue 100%leather handle wrap. The handle is long enough sp it can be swung like a baseball bat. I took it to work and had it tested for hardness and it scored 66 on the rockwell hardness test. So whats my point? None of you would believe how much work goes into a sword!!! These swords to me are just fine but are they really battle ready like mine is or are they wall hangers and cheap?
This video really helped me, thanks. As I write my books I do keep those things in mind but I never know if I'm on the right line of thinking.
The guard was the first thing that I felt was off; however, you could keep the lionhead, at roughly the same size, but cut down hugely on its weight by simply making it a shallow bas relief or even an emboss.
The problem with realistic oversized swords that one could use in a phantasy scenario is that if one character is capable of using such a huge and heavy weapon it still would be more effective for him to use a lighter weapon because it would swing it way faster then using a heavier weapon or a 'normal' character with a lighter weapon. The physics tell us that the force is equivalent to the mass times speed squared witch means that speed is way more important at delivering a powerfull blow then mass. Nice videos btw!
hay I love these videos and I would love to hear more about the Warcraft weapons specifically. but I had one problem and that was I could not tell how big the sword was. do you think in the future you could include a ruler or something to help gauge size better.
I like this video.
but wouldn't the thinning of the blade from 2 cm to 5-2 mm lose the advantage of the cutting power that comes from the immense weight of the blade that you mentioned earlier?
WoW isn't a good comparison for the movie. Warcraft:Orcs and Humans, the original game where the story of the movie is based of off, should be the one. At least Warcraft 3, WoW is a burning pile of Sylvannas now
The swords didnt look that huge in the movie..
Why are the hilts circular? Can't believe you missed that. How are they supposed to get edge allignment right, if the hilts are circular.
Great analysis. and yes the blue sword looks so much better with your changes
You're very right about this just because they're super strong doesn't mean they would deliberately reduce the cutting potential of any sword. I'm a huge Warcraft fan btw but you're right.
Wouldn't the immense thickness of the blade make up for the weight of the guard and hilt, with regards to weight distribution?
Mithril while tough and appropriate for armor is not able to be processed/heat treated to actually hold an edge sufficiently to make for a usable weapon.
It base of the the first Warcraft game not world of Warcraft. And the sword are form the movie not the games.
8:45 I would like one of those! (Question: What are your thoughts on RuneScape's teir 4 Wilderness Sword? I know the blade shape resembles that of a baseball bat, but what are you sort of rants about its obvious flaws? same as this video?)
One clean fantasy way to explain oversized weapons is to say that they were actually daggers made for giants. This would work in both grounded and high-fantasy type settings.
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You wouldn't want a weighted pommel on a weapon of this sort. This is not a fencing weapon. This is a chopper, a slasher, a stabber. It's used with a shield, which is what you'd be doing the parrying with.
A weighted pommel makes for less energetic swings, which is the opposite of what you want for this type of weapon used in the sort of fighting we see displayed in the film.
It's what you want for a weapon with which you'd be parrying and deflecting incoming blows. A weighted pommel makes for a handy weapon, one that's easy to bring about with just the action of your wrist, but at the cost of leaving you with less impactful blows.
Imagine using a regular carpenter's hammer or a felling axe that has a head on both ends. It still works, but not nearly as well.
have you done videos on the strategic value of Stormwind or Ironforge or any other WoW city?
In the corrected Royal Guard sword, I would keep the pomel just a little thicker, as a designer. Yes, it needs to be thinner and wider than it was, but you made it a little too thin, to the point that it looks like it would snap, due to the ornamentation of the mane/wing design of it. Just a tad thicker, even though that would probably make it too heavy, and I think it would look much better.
I know this was 6 years ago, but the real Lothar welded the Great Royal Sword of Stromwind, which was essential a claymore/armor buster hybrid.
Hey shad, could you do a video to see how realistic storm wind castle in warcraft is?
I think the size and thickness of the features looked at are due to the need to make those things stand out to the sight of the general crowd than the realist sight of the expert in weapons. Which I think is the reason it is done in games as well.
The lion emblem is actually part of the pommel and that's why it's so heavy. So if the need arises, you can unscrew it and...