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When I was in the military, I had been up for 3 days straight with minimal food and water. I remember having a full on conversation with my grandfather during that time. My grandfather died when I was 12 and he wouldn't have been in the field with me anyways if he was still alive. The human mind under great stress is very fragile. Having memories of talking to my grandfather doesn't prove ghosts and it definitely doesn't prove a god.
I was at the tail-end of a 72 hour shift, and my partner and I were arguing about seeing a yeti (it was a tree), and my "logical reasoning" at the time for why it couldn't be a yeti was because "they're not indigenous to this area!!" Sleep deprivation does some monumental weird things to our thought processes.
@@ryvercardn3387"clearly this is Bigfoot territory"
Add to this that in ancient times people regularly use to burn hemp wood in fires as it one of the few bushes that grew in such a harsh climate. One of the side effects of the smoke produced by burning the roots of Hemp is it's hallucinogenic. So when mosses came upon a burning bush in the desert and heard voices talk to him of cause he would think it was god.
I have had a similar experience. Lack of sleep and high stress can cause your synapses to misfire. I had a conversation with my Dad in which we discussed the manner of his Death. I remember every word of it but am in no doubt that it never actually happened.
@@paulmcdonald9257 during exams in highschool. Stress and anxiety and a bout of insomnia. Caused me to lose it a bit and I was 100% convinced that if the large moth on the outside of my window got to me I would die.
After listening to this call, the most offensive thing for me is that Eddie is calling himself rational, he very clearly is not
You can practically hear him stomping his widdle feet and pouting xD
That and using a poor woman's suicide to push his nonsense.
My biggest headache 🤕 was that too!
@@GoodBrotherGrimm Yeah, that was pretty disgusting. Sorry you lost your friend, bud, but don't try to cash that in to "explain" your "rational" positions. Jesus fucking Christ...
You don't know the cooooooonteeeeeeeeeeext! I feel it's true therefore it is! I'm a skeptical person that believes things without evidence!
The desperation of these callers to justify their fictional deity is embarrassing.
I've often thought that more people are concerned about Jose, than about Jesus.
At the start of every game, the whole crowd rises to their feet, and asks, "Jose can you see?". That's proof that Jose is real.
…and exhausting
Olympic grade mental-gymnastics
I truly struggle to understand how are they considered to be "adults"
And I would add, "their total fanatical lunacy"
The caller is way too emotionally invested in his conclusion and is fighting tooth and nail to defend his irrational thinking.
There are millions of people like him unfortunately.
@@daydays12 yes, they are called real people, you should meet them sometime.
It's literally shocking how gullible and illogical people are
Not really. Humanity can be pretty stupid.
Ummmm have anyone noticed it's mostly(only) Americans who are this gullible...
So indoctrinated into belief from authority it's scary.
It is really appalling I agree.
@warmstrong5612 try living in the south...most ppl here are hard-core into theism
It is difficult trying to explain scientific concepts to a person who has been conditioned to reject science.
But he is open minded and thinks he thinks rationally.
I love science , bring it on !
@@jwsanders1214alright. Explain the scientific theory of evolution, a couplw of the mechanism therein, and the lines of evidence we have to confirm the theory as the single best supported idea in science.
Science was supposed to be conditioned to reject Science but it got liberally spoilt rotten and turned to stupidly inclusive mush and vanity science hyper-wastage!
One can treat science like some infallible god too. Most of know shit about really, we rely on what others tell us. And most of us don't have an overall very good understanding of what science really is, what it can and what it can't tell us about life.
"He didn't say 'Jesus'. He said, 'Hey, Zeus!' My name is Zeus."
"As in father of Apollo! Mount Olympus! Don't f**k with me or I'll shove a lightning bolt up your a**! ZEUS! You got a problem with that!?"
@@DragonHeart-cm1tx No, as in 'Die Hard with a Vengeance' :)
Like the die hard reference
That actually happened on greece with. Pan
why do the Heathen Rage ?
If Jesus existed, no one who met him wrote about him and anyone who wrote about him never met him.
And he didn't write anything , probably because he was illiterate like almost everyone else then .
Add "and they all lived in a primitive and superstitious culture at a time with no easy fact-checking." (If fact-checking would even occur to those motivated to get converts).
And Nazareth wasn’t occupied when he was to have been born.
What a foolish thing to say
@@kennethgee2004 Shine Brother !
Eddie doesn’t need god, he needs therapy. Seeing a friend kill themselves would totally cause trauma. I hope he got the medical help he needs.
Thank you! Poor Eddie sounds like he’s trying to make meaning out of a terrifying and traumatic event in his life. PTSD can cause your mind to do crazy things. Also, has anyone checked on the wiring, rodent situation and carbon monoxide emissions of the place he was living?
He saw it?
I agree. He is disturbed and confused.
Even if Paul met the brother it doesn't do anything to prove that the magical Jesus myth is true.
Whose brother. Billions of Christians believe Jesus was an only child and Mary is still a virgin. The varieties of the myths go on and on. One group claiming in one version is hardly truth. Giving it any credence is more than it deserves.
Jesus can be a first century magician and it proves nothing of his divinity.... Assuming he isn't a collection of other people
@@josephbelisle5792he had family, he father might have had other wives or she had more children. Perpetual virginity is a religious doctrine but it might not be accurate.
I heard of "The church of James the Just brother of Jesus" and that Paul fought with his movement and made sure it failed.
@@davidszeremi1786 Exactly.
@@josephbelisle5792 Jesus had a brother. Mary was a virgin, she was just terrible at it.
"These ppl who question the validity of legends and hearsay are unreasonable, but me who believes in "ghosts" without any actual theory for why and how is totally reasonable" Eddy 2017-1-22
It really is amazing how far the theists have been forced to retreat in their desperation to justify their delusions
Not far enough, sadly.
"I'm a rational person..." ad nauseam. Methinks the gullible doth protest too much.
"It depends...", "It depends...", "It depends..."
Yes Eddy, we get it. It depends on how wilfully ignorant of logical reasoning and verifiable reality you are.
You hear this by people who really are not what they claim to be. 'To tell you the truth'. 'Let me be honest with you'. Makes you doubt they are truthful and honest.
I'm a rational person... who doesn't understand what RATIONAL means. Sheesh.
"Immoral is literally the same thing as unlawful. You should know this already, why are you trying so hard to embarrass yourself?"
Oh the irony of being called ignorant by someone who thinks that 'immoral' and 'illegal' are the same thing 🤣
Unlawful is cheating on your taxes
Immoral is cheating at tic-tac-toe
Mayonnaise on a hotdog is immoral.
I recently came across the term "Argnorant" as portmanteau of Arrogant and Ignorant. I may start using it.
“We could mention her name around other lightbulbs” 😅😅😅 I love it.
G.E. and Sylvania hope for the same outcome each time.
Classic “God of the GAPS”.
Sooooooo many gaps. I feel bad for Eddie though. Seeing someone kill themselves in front of me would mess me up too. 😢
@@Ironraven001 Don’t Feel Sorry for him
Until 3 weeks ago, I thought he was a historical figure until I was looking for evidence that Jesus was woke, only to find there isn’t any valid evidence that Jesus existed. Now, I don’t believe a historical Jesus was a real person.
I came to that conclusion after reading about the Raglan/Rank mythotype that implicitly includes Hercules, Moses, Jesus, Robin Hood, King Arthur, Luke Skywalker and Harry Potter.
Why were you looking for evidence of Jesus being woke?
He was not a real person he was created to deceive people
@@einienj3281 You read that the world’s most famous historical person ever may have never existed due to the sheer lack of evidence and your take is “why are you looking for evidence Jesus was woke” absolutely baffles me.
@@geoffallshorn5167 I first found David Fitzgerald on this channel and read his book *Nailed*. Although it was the smoking gun, it wasn't the evidence that convinced me. I then stumbled onto Richard Carrier's peer reviewed work, *On the Historicity of Jesus* which gave a full synopsis on how Jesus was invented, why he was invented, the mathematical probability and possibility, and went through all the so-called evidence of Jesus and against, great work.
Most atheists don't seem to care if there's a historical Jesus or not for it doesn't affect a god aspect. As for me, there's not enough data to actually prove a historical Jesus.
Much less the dude walked on water, and was able to heal blindness with magic spit.
@@vitast2000 Oh no, don't tell me he didn't turn water into wine either! I was hoping to hire him for my wedding.
So what do you have , a historical bang ? I choose Jesus
@@jwsanders1214c'mon, it's the 21st century
@@jwsanders1214 Like choosing the Easter Bunny, I get it. I was once a devout Christian. I studied in an attempt to become clergy in 2 of the 44,000 (and why does that number never shock anyone) denominations of Christianity. I not only read it but studied it! Let me be explicitly clear, both times my brain checked in before Seminary!
one should not be so open minded that ones brains fall out......
Its hard to imagine a God that would engineer the most important event in human history but never bother to engineer anyone to record it, human nature was well established at that point so he must have known no one with a rational mind that he gave them would beleive this.
Yeah... the tribal war g0d was not only an evil immoral ratbag, he was totally incompetent despite being all knowing and all powerful.
I totally agree, how it is not a problem to Christians that they have no idea what Jesus looks like either. He could come to any Christian in the street, ask them for directions and they wouldn't have a clue it's Jesus, the bloke they worship, believe they have a personal relationship with and know so well.. it's beyond hilarious!
searched "CNN reporter attacked by ghost" And the lead story was.
"Reporter unfazed by haunted house"
Finding a rabbi by that name in the Middle East 2000 years ago would be like finding a dude named Steve Johnson in the US today. Who gives a shit? Are you gonna worship Steve if I write a shitty fanfic about him?
Possibly, depends how convincing it is. (Only kidding, no).
Steve Johnson of Springfield. (there's a Springfield in every state) 🤣
Depends. What cool stuff does Steve do in your shitty fanfic? If he can change water into IPA for my cousins wedding we might have something to build on.😂🤣
I know literally 3 steve johnson's and i live in a city of 4k people in Wisconsin lol
@@delbomb3131 Stoughton?
I've heard so many of these campfire stories over the years. Some people want to swallow the supernatural because reality is not enough for them.
Eddy seems like a guy who would see that as a connection to justify thinking a campfire is causing the feeling of being creeped out.
Because I had an experience I can't explain, I will vote for legislation to force others to: Speak in Togues, Genuflect, Wear Beanie Caps without the Propeller, Align Chakras, Bow to the East 7 X Per Day, Hold E-Meter Cans, Wear Magic Underwear, etc...
don't forget the prohibitive stuff. no bacon, no birth control etc.
@holgerlubotzki3469 No rights for others for things I don't like and that I believe others should not have the right that also don't affect my life in any way (other than to thwart my desire to impose my will upon others, that I have personally determined also aligns exactly with my god's will).
I'd say Jesus as described in the bible is mythical, whether an actual man existed in the middle eastern desert 2000 years ago or not.
Given how removed from the time the actual writing was I would at best accept that the character of Jesus was based on an amalgam of people that were told to have existed. The supernatural being pure fantasy.
goo to you by way of the zoo
@@jwsanders1214 i'm sorry you don't understand science
Jesus seems to be a composite character. In a similar way that King Arthur or Ois’in is. Different stories can get attached to pre-existing characters that the audience is familiar with. A great example of the classical story of Perseus and the Minotaur which was reborn in the renaissance and hit England … but nobody there knew who Perseus was or what a Minotaur looked like. So, Perseus became Saint George and the Minotaur became a dragon. Pre-existing characters that an audience can relate to attract popular stories.
@@twowardrobeswardrobes1536 yes its all just based on archetypes,there is only so many archetypes to include and write a story about,the hero,the underdog,the lover etc etc thats why most poems books tv programmes and movies all have a similar recognisable structure but just with different characters and dialogue,its the reason when u start watching a film u can kind of predict the path its gonna take and ultimately the ending with obviously a few exceptions with good twists etc and its the ones that manage to be a bit different that seem to do well cos they seem abit original,i think game of thrones did well originally because although many archetypal storylines and characters existed but the so called hero types were killed off shockingly early at times which kind of bucked the trend of the likes of lord of the rings which although there seemed to be alot of jeapardy and close calls none of the 15 or so good guys actually died by the end of the films and it followed the good v evil ,light v darkness archetype from start to finish
"When I was sitting on your side of the table" by this statement alone he has admitted as an atheist he would have been skeptical of unexplained things and now that he is a theist he goes with whatever feels or sounds best.. this is a direct example that believing in religion makes you illogical and guilable
Ghosts. Therefore Jesus did magic. Okaaaaaaaay
That's the issue with so many theist arguments. Let's say he is right and the ghost of a person who committed suicide was causing these supernatural events. How does that therefore prove Jesus? Maybe Zeus is the cause. Maybe Allah. Maybe an unknown force that has never revealed themselves in human history.
My Niece did the same thing when her father (my brother) died. She went up to Alaska and saw an eagle. For the next couple of years, she kept on noticing 'eagles', whether it was on a billboard, in a song, on a can of Tecate, she started seeing many eagles and somehow associated it with her dad. I asked if there was anything significant that was shared between them about eagles before his death, and she said no. She reported that it stopped after a couple of years.
Traumatic experiences can cause the mind to make up weird connections. When my husband died, I had all sorts of meltdowns of ration. Like: "if I only had done this or that, then this would not have happened"..like I could somehow erase time and everything would be ok. The outcome would not change, bc I can't go back in time, obviously. Grief is such a powerful shock to the system, that you literally try to grasp straws to stay afloat..
@@Specialeffecks when I started working for the ambulance service I started noticing ambulances everywhere.
Eddie... Eddie...Eddie, cmon now
The dude thought a halogen bulb blowing out was god.... He's mentally not capable. Period.
Eddie's in the space time continuum.
This caller is why I no longer have any patience for theist's "personal experience".
It literally is just a "because I say so" argument.
I agree. They’re all the same.
“Trust me bro, stuff happened to me”
-every theist from every religion
🙄🤦
I ask them if they believe that prayer works, and most say yes. So I say then pray that your god give me my personal experience so I can join them in heaven when I die. So far, it has not happened.
If the woman died doesn’t Christian doctrine say that she either went to heaven or hell? Wouldn’t his belief that she is a ghost haunting him prove that something other than Christianity is in play?
They could reason that a ghost hasn't gone to their reward? Ghost games and movies tend to embrace the idea they will move on the light or darkness.
Frankly I find the zombie apocalypse in the new testament more funny.
@@davidszeremi1786 According to the bible there is an unseen spirit realm but it’s populated by angels and fallen angels (demons). I’ve never seen a passage that implies there are the ghosts of humans wandering the earth to blow up light bulbs or knock down paintings.
I think it's likely that a charismatic preacher fell afoul of the government and was crucified during that time. Probably several.
Definitely several
abraham lincoln was a vampire hunter. There is a movie on it so it must be true
Well I’ve certainly got no other explanation
I thought he was the King of Mars?
@@AXKfUN9m
The candy company?
@@stephenolan5539 No, the red planet.
My beloved kitty passed away a week ago and I kept seeing his face in the shadows and him walking around out of the corner of my eye. It was my brain starting to adjust to him being gone until I could accept it + then "seeing him" stopped. (Love you, Hoover!)
The story of Jesus has parallel stories with Buddha, Krishna and several Greek and Roman Gods. Several other ancient myths also persist in the story.
Both testaments are almost entirely lifted from previous myths and legends, some with slight changes and others near word for word with new names. The Bible is a Readers Digest of religious horse hockey
The idiocy of a troll reposting the same tired arguments over and over has no bottom.
I repost the same correct equations for relativity over and over again. So far no one has offered to discuss them.
@@rbwinn3 I LITERALLY offered you to come on my live stream and discuss it.
AND SO many people have responded to your idiotic comment that all of physicists are wrong and you are right because you understand junior high algebra and don't seem to think that physicists, even Lorentz, doesn't understand junior high algebra.
@@queueceewhat could physicists with PHD's know compered to a LSD with high-school algebra? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@rbwinn3😆😂🤣
@@rbwinn3 "no one has offered to discuss them" Discussing nonsense is nonsensical.
So I think there's a good chance that the caller could become an atheist. For many believers, it's completely unrealistic that they would even question their faith; for them, it's absolute and doubt isn't allowed.
Okay, I take it back, the guy is not particularly intelligent. But who knows, maybe he will accidentally broaden his horizons.
every single thing Paul ever wrote about Jesus was at best hearsay, at best, think about that
You don't have a clue
@@kennethgee2004 Sorry my friend you are 100 percent correct I humbly ask you let me out of this , you are right , I am wrong I miss read what you said
@@kennethgee2004 Keep Being Salt and Light we all need to hear it
@@kennethgee2004 so you don't understand what hearsay means?
@@kennethgee2004 nothing that Paul said about Jesus was based on him personally knowing Jesus, which means it is all hearsay. Even if you claim that he talked to other people who knew him that still makes it hearsay.
I simply do not believe him when he talks about his supernatural stories. There is no mechanism for lightbulbs to explode. This isn’t a movie.
That just proves it. 😂
Splash of water can do it. Happened to me.
"Im a rational person, I had experiences that I cant explain = theism"
- That comment right there IS in fact irrational.
Exactly. There's that "I was an atheist" again..no. He had a traumatic experience then connected a random lightbulb exploding to there being a god. Then he claims to be a rational person.....
It simply means the person does not know what happened .
There are lots of things we don’t know.
That is not irrational!😮
@@aemiliadelroba4022 It's his reasoning that makes him irrational.
1. Traumatic experience.
2. Talking about this experience.
3. Lightbulb breaks.
4. Supernatural.
5. God exists because 2, 3 and 4.
@@aemiliadelroba4022
You totally missed the problem, which is that he he said that he had experiences that he coulnt explain which led him to believe that there must be a "God", which, as I pointed out, IS irrational.
The ONLY rational thing to say when you DONT KNOW what happened, is, I dont know, not.... It must have been a "God".
I am always cautious about skeptics who quickly abandon their skepticism because they lack the creativity to think about other possibilities. It makes skepticism seem like a feeble position waiting for an unexplained experience rather than a position that aims to support things we think we know.
I don't believe you. Actually, yes I do.
That's not a skeptic
Why would a skeptic require creativity? It’s a method for assessing the truth of claims, not making sh!t up. You have no idea what you are talking about.
@@twowardrobeswardrobes1536 I would say an integral part of skepticism is the ability to doubt what you think you know. A method of doubting is to be able to think of plausible alternatives to the assumed knowledge. Indeed, one of the most famous instances of skepticism, Renée Descartes, conceived of an evil demon to aid in his doubt. A person who cannot imagine an alternative is more likely to hold their belief as true since they are unable to see how the evidence points to another possibility. Your comment is almost meaningless because you give no indication of the mechanism that skepticism uses as a means to assess the truth. The scientific method is built on creativity; creativity to propose a hypothesis worthy of testing and a creative methodology to conduct the experiments. Creativity is an important element of skepticism.
Well done to user Sir Barry V8 for spotting Floridunce's howler in saying that Jesus was buried, when in fact he was just placed in a tomb! How embarrassing for Flo to not know such a basic 'fact' about his own saviour. He should read his Bible more 🤣
So you have Paul, killing off Christians and then suddenly he becomes THE head of the church having specifically state he had never met the figurehead of the religion outside of dreams and visions. And he gets all the benefits of being the head of the church by continuing to state that he talked to people who knew Jesus.
We have no reason to listen to Paul as he gains the same head of church status had he just made up all these claims and never talked to anyone.
Imagine if the FBI agent in charge of watching Scientology had a seizure and thought that L Ron Hubbard was God. I think that would parallel Paul.
Paul was a boss. He made the entire Christian population his b!tch. He saw an opportunity and grabbed it with both hands. You’ve got to give the guy a bit of credit for that.
I had an experience I can't explain, so my explanation is Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity, Scientology, aliens/UFOs, Big Foot, etc...
I have watched this many, many times...and Eddy just doesn't get that a) he makes zero effort to try to find out WHY things happen, b) blindly accepts that things happen & c) he should be heavily fined for daring to call himself RATIONAL!
Self delusion is very real. My family can attest that I have believed I was a werewolf since age 5. It took me another 63 years to learn that I have a very rare psychological condition called Lycanthropy Personality Disorder. This makes more logical sense than me being a supernatural creature who has never shown the ability to transform. I even gave up my religious beliefs more than 35 years ago.
What happens at full moon?
@@robinharwood5044 haha! The full moon didn’t affect me. You wouldn’t believe the complex story I weaved to justify my belief. Try cross dimensional symbiosis with a lycanthropy species. Obviously, I have an overactive imagination.
Puberty must have been tough... i saw your documentary about high school: Teen Wolf.
Another throwback:
I used to be surprised that so many of my fellow theists kept getting atheism wrong. Initially I blamed it on the so called New Atheism which essentially was a deliberately provocative form of antitheism.
However, the continuation of the wrong definitions and inferences being propounded despite education by atheists and by theists like myself leads to the conclusion that it's deliberate ignorance.
The reasons for that avoidance of truth seem to come down to two basic ones: fear and/or hatred.
Fear of being wrong, fear of losing community, fear of losing purpose, etc
Hatred of what's different, hatred that others can live with different purposes and beliefs, etc etc.
It comes as no surprise that these sorts of people also are the most intolerant in society, the most misogynistic/homophobic/transphobic/racist/"othertheismphobic"/etc.
I pity them.
I think a lot of it comes down to the need to reinforce the ingroups position.
The lightbulb guy! I remember him 😂
The pretzel logic of theists is always amusing and very telling.
Paul the apostle, had an epistle
That was so long it made all the girls whistle.
...And when he got it out
On a staff day out
It resulted in instant dismissal.
And he went to launch his missile
but the ladies all did bristle
and they beat him off with a thistle.
@@holgerlubotzki3469 Beat him off with a thistle? Paul was a freak but was he that freaky?
@@twowardrobeswardrobes1536 He never used a feather! He always used a hole (sic) chicken
If you see a guy in a public street verbally abusing a fruit tree, do you cross the street or say, wow look, the son of god?
What other possible explanation is there?
Was it a fig tree? Fig trees are tw@ts.
But... His story IS a myth - even by the Christian view of him. myth (noun) "a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events."
The caller says he has an open mind, I wonder though if it might be open at both ends.
I think his brain fell out .
Empty between the ears
I've been having a shit few weeks. Hearing this guy make his "arguments" and "challenges" and just run himself in circles has made me belly laugh so much. Needed this.
"I was an atheist"..no. He had a traumatic experience then connected a random lightbulb exploding to there being a god. Then he claims to be a rational person.....
Eddy sounds like a cherry picker. he should go to washington state and pick cherries and other fruits. If your god does things that dont make sense you have to accept he does not exist. The entire story of God and Jesus is so unreasonable it isnt funny.
My favorite pair!
Idc if some dude named Yeshua existed or not. The guy walking on water, multiplying fish and resurrecting from the dead ABSOLUTELY DID NOT EXIST.
I really like Traci's analogy: "zero plus zero plus zero (etc) will never equal one".
Ye, that was brilliant, she is always good value.
Yep.
I think he was a real dude. That doesn't make anything in the bible true
Jesus was a common name just like the other "apostle" names were. So yeah there was a guy named Jesus
@@phillysupra Hey, pssst. You wanna get into heaven? Well, I know a guy.
@@queueceeCan he help me make $42,000 a week? Who is this amazing guy?
@@phillysupraI don't doubt there was some apocalyptic prophet named Jesus. What we see in the bible is an individual being divinified.
@@queuecee sign me up! I now feel like donating 10% of my paycheck to this guy every check.
"Did you try mentioning her name around other light bulbs?" 😅😅😅
Actually, now that I think about it, my power went out while I was on the phone with my boss yesterday, so obviously that's proof that the ghost of the still-living customer we were talking about got Jesus to trip my circuit breaker.
QED.
Eddy has no idea what he believes
He just believes what he's been told to believe.
You can just hear his brain desperately trying to cling to his irrational belief at all costs
The written accounts of jesus are 100% debatable, whether inside or outside the bible, and are not in fact hard evidence.
I think that Jesus was mythical. Does anyone want to provide evidence to the contrary?
The biblical Jesus or historical Jesus?
@@vladtheemailer3223
Is there a difference?
Well, a book said a thing - so there's that.
@@Lazy_Sundaeif a book said it, then it's GOT to be true 🤣🤣
@thomaswigfield7623 The typical view among secular scholars is that Jesus was a historical figure. He was not the Messiah or the son of God. What you see in the NT is called "apotheosis." The apostles basically made up everything so that they could have the Messiah that they needed.
Jesus the person may or may not have existed but if he did, he was just a person. Pity, as he could have made a fortune with all those -miracles- magic tricks. He wouldn't have stayed a humble carpenter for long 😅
I suspect he did. The entry to Jerusalem reads like an account of a con-man trying to pass himself off as the Messiah that all ended badly for him. (The donkey and foal bit?, very suspect. And the reaction of the crowd who'd rather have Barabbas released than this guy. They were p*ssed.)
@@qwadratix
Would explain why Nazareth is depicted as not believing anything about him. It being his hometown
My sister & brother-in-law claim to be former atheists because, during a rough spell in their lives, they briefly lost their faith. They didn't examine their former beliefs, or the Bible. They just temporarily lost faith during tough times. That's not how I became a non-believer. That's why I'm agnostic about these atheist to theist claims.
There were a metric ton of reformist/apocalyptic self appointed prophets in the first century. John the Baptist and James the brother of Jesus were just two others that may have been out there
The Jewish preacher who was executed as a public nuisance and the miracle working godman who saved humanity are two different characters.
You don't have a clue
What are your sources?
@@jwsanders1214How can you have a clue about something that does not exist. What a stupid question it is until the claim that a musical maker exists.
I WAS an atheist, means I was NEVER an atheist.
Couldn't a person go from not being convinced to being convinced that there is a God because they have poor critical thinking skills?
@@davidszeremi1786and the reverse. I was a Christian, and now I'm an atheist.
@@SeattleDinghyer same. I learned too much about the Bible
@@davidszeremi1786 Could it be they possibly have delusional tendencies.?
@@davidszeremi1786 Yes, it happened to me. Grew up in a household of unbelievers and didnt put a lot of thought into my 'atheism'.
During a rough time in my life i met christians who helped me out and their story - and my own experiences - were very convinving. So i converted and stayed a Christian for some years.
But, since i also was a critical thinker - and someone who read thr bible - i found more and more inconsistencies. Pair that with me being a naturalistic guy, i "deconverted" back to Atheism which i am since then.
But this time i had put some serious thinking into my position, unlike when i grew up.
Edit: english is my 2nd language.. so i hope you can endure my grammar and possible wrong usage of words
"When I read books on particle physics, even ontological argument, and John Lennox ......"
The caller actually said three unrelated things in a sentence.
"I used to be an atheist" = I just wasn't very religious / didn't go to church lol
I was thinking about blueberries when a plane flew over my house. Now I realize blueberries are the reason aircraft can fly.
I don't even think that paul was a real person.
“I have a rational mind”
*lightbulb explodes*
“Jesus MUST be God”
He admits that instances of any event occurring outside of the specific circumstances of a conversation about the decreased wouldn't even be recorded, so he has basically no data at all. Bro, do you even science?
Try to count how many times that Eddy started his answer with "no...but", while he's trying to convince us of his open mindedness.
"I can't explain these things, so therefore I will create an explanation for them" is a sign of extremely poor epistemology.
"The plural of anecdote is not data". I'm keeping that.
Many years ago 5 or 6 of us were sitting around in the office library telling each other ghost stories. We were interrupted by a large heavy ring binder on a far shelf, falling flat with a very loud "splat". One person was up and out of the door like a flash. Some of us just laughed. Never for a moment did I think that it was a "real" ghost. People just believe what they want to believe.
Any time someone starts a statement with "I consider myself very reasonable" you can bet they're about to show just how unreasonable a person they really are.
If someone claimed in a letter that they had met Spiderman's brother, is that 'historical evidence' to conclusively prove that Spiderman existed?
Paul didn’t say he met Jesus’s brother. He said he met “a Brother of Christ”, which meant someone who had been baptised.
if I was talking about a deceased friend and lightbulbs blew out, pictures fell off the wall, and my dog wouldn't step paw into the room, I'd absolutely assume ghosts before god
Claims to be rational and then proceeds to be 100% irrational😂
The way I KNEW he was going to say they were bad mouthing her... 😂😅
poor friend 😞
Eddy has made my brain hurt so bad. Eddy is not alone, as it seems to be epidemic that so many Americans have no concept of what evidence is, how to evaluate it and apply it in the context of logic and reason. This phenomenon is creating so many conflicts and issues in religions, politics and so many other areas in order to achieve a valid understanding of reality. American children have somehow never learned important skills that most the rest of the world seems to have a much better understanding of. Children are lacking any skills of skepticism and epistemology to make decisions, or build belief from and the problem grows with them into their adult lives.
Light bulbs will explode if the voltage reaches its peak on positive or negative voltage. No Devine involvement.
rational - based on or in accordance with reason or logic
Eddy is clearly NOT rational.
"I'm a rational person." But then carries on with irrational conclusions.
Where in the Bible did Jesus' ghost cause lightbulbs to explode or pictures to fall of the frame?
I do.
This minds me of Thomas Paine. I don't remember the exact words, but he said something like, If you have a revelation from God, that's yours. You can go with that. But no one else has to believe it.
Not only do I not believe his claims about a god. I don't believe his stories about light bulbs blowing up and other mysterious events.
EDDY (noun) - "a unit of measure, either Metric or Imperial, indicating how high a credulous person must stack s**t reasons, in order to conclude that theism is the best explanation for an unknown."
If a lightbulb explodes, will it cause someone to say her name?
My personal response to any assertion of the historicity of Jesus is "so what?" The key issue is not whether someone called Jesus exist, it's whether he did supernatural things and whether he's a god. There's not even a hint of proof of those latter issues, so I'm indifferent to his claimed existence.
Paul casually mentions "James, the brother of the Lord" and then doesn't expand on that at all. Later he says James and Peter are nothing to him and have no more status than he has. Would he talk that way if he really thought James was the biological brother of the Son of God? More likely, the Brother of the Lord is title that James had. Paul said Brother of the Lord because he knew his readers would know what he was referring to -- a group of people calling themselves Brothers of the Lord.
I mean literally today members of the church refer to themselves as brother and sister. In Catholicism nuns all have the title of Sister. Paul was establishing very early that the church would operate as a family unit on the same level as biological family. Perhaps the goal of that was to enforce the idea of being as loyal to the church as you would your blood family...? Now, isn't that interesting. Sounds a little bit like coercion.