Porsche 718 Cayman S: The Almost Car - Carfection
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The Porsche Cayman is one of the best sports cars out there, but the new 718 Cayman has a new heart and a fresh look. How much difference can an engine make? Well... Quite a lot.
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I love the sound of it and I heard many other people say that aswell
Not when u rev the n/a flat 6 right next to it tho. It doesn't sound bad. But don't compare them side by side and you're good
That colour is absolutely more than perfect for this car, it gets very charming in this colour.
Actually sounds pretty good for a 4 cylinder.
that's like saying my shit smells better than most shit.... it's still shit
+Harrison Conyers You need to move with the times my friend
luke simpson I get 10 mpg, but my V8 sounds great so fuck you lol
You really are a childish man
You really are a bunch of children.
this car looks just amazing
The more I look at this car, the more I fall in love with it. Personally I think it's gorgeous. Certainly not the best sounding car in the world, but I'd definitely go for one if I could afford it.
Hope this generation also spawns a hardcore flat-6 version like the previous one.
i own a 987.1 Cayman S and its a pretty awesome car, i drove the 718 Cayman GTS when it was still a 4 cylinder and i had no complaints and it was hella fast!
Still getting one! I think it sounds great and will be my first Porsche.
The new motor is partly why I and my woman decided this over very little else that fits the bill.
The problem is Porsche "fans" not the car itself. Same crowd that hates water-cooled motors.
Drove a 2018 Cayman S at a Porsche dealership recently. I don’t know what this guy is smoking but the sound I experienced was absolutely fantastic. Sounded exactly like what it is: a stunning race car for the street. I am convinced that all these people complaining about the 718s supposedly inadequate exhaust sound are just fools. This car will the take your breath away unless you are a jaded 911 or other supercar owner.
Can’t agree more. TH-cam commentators seem to feel obliged to kill the car for subdued engine noise flat 4. In reality it sounds great. And it doesn’t shake the entire neighbourhood, so you’re at peace with your neighbours. Brilliant car, without reservations.
Agree 100%
I recently test drove a 981 6MT and a 718 6MT back to back …went home and sold my 981 S PDK and bought a base 718 6MT
So I have an M2 2018 LCi MT and I bought this after test driving the 718 Cayman S MT. I now also own a 718 Cayman S and the sound on a day to day basis is really dull (on test drive I thought it was no issue and thought it was OK). The M2, which I’m now selling- always sparked joy on startup and even general driving. On bendy B roads the 718 2.5’s party piece is the handling- so barely notice the gruff and gravelly engine note.
Agreed - I took a Cayman S on the track at the experience center in Atlanta and was surprised to hear how it sounded after all the complaining by TH-camrs, etc. The main issue I have with the car is now I want one!
But when you can get a V6 f-type, one of the best sounding cars around, for less money…
Awful noise? just went down to my local porsche dealer and revved the balls off a 718 Boxster S. Has almost a deep v8 burble and has amazing overrun crackles. sound is subjective, but you can't call it awful.
It is because 981 with naturally aspirated flat six engines sounded so epic. The old engine howls like an angry beast when taken to the redline. It is not the exhaust noise but the engine noise which can not be duplicated with a flat four.
The problem with 718 is that it is compared to the outgoing version, which indeed sounded amazing and much better than 718. However, if you forget about the fact that 6-cylinder Cayman ever existed, and consider 718 on its own, its a brilliant car which sounds very good. Even if you compare it to the rivals, say BMW M2, it still doesn't sound bad
It might be nice, but it just doesn't FIT!
you need to hear the 981's flat 6 engine's glorious noise in person first to understand what it's missing.
while this car is propably faster and improved in every aspect i still wouldn't trade my cayman gts with a 718.
as the 718 lost its flat six engine which is the thing that added to the sports car experience in the 981.
John Bender I wouldn't even trade my 2006 987.1 Cayman S for this unless I sold it on. Porsche seem to make their sports cars worse with every generation since they got better in 2005. E-Steering E-brake too many electronics etc..
The color on this is just carfect :D
If you are going to complain about noise, you need to change the outro music. It's awful.
😂
savage
Seriously, though. Is this a car channel or a mid 90s coffee shop?
Outro is great. Get out of here.
sky
I will get out of here... before that garbage-ass outro starts playing!
I own this car and absolutely love the sound! The performance is also amazing. After 6 years, 30k miles, I still get compliments on the car and even more on the sound. This is a subjective perception. To each their own.....I'm extremely satisfied.
I think you are pretty harsh on the sound. It's throaghty and quite racy if you ask mee. Nice crackles too.
0 fks given
Yeah but still, it's a boxer 4 that sounds pretty good. More sophisticated than your regular Subaru on the street :) . Six is better, but these four will do in my opinion.
Are you a Subaru owner, per-chance?
Nope, Fiat! (see my channel ;-) )
The noise is good, we've driven the 718 Boxster (not the S, the dealer didn't have one available at this time) and it is loud! Well fun to play around with. It might not sound as good a 6cyl, but then again a 6cyl doesn't sound nearly as good as a V8... When we gave the car back they also had a Boxster S with sport exhaust in the showroom for a costumer to pick up the next day. The sales person fired that one up too, sounded glorious.
Nap crackle and pop, it sounds like shit
they are left no option but to put more efficient engines in their cars. it's the way the world is going. were just going to have to live with it.
How are we complaining so much, more power, flatter torque curve, better mileage, cleaner burning, yeah thats awful.
I agree, and in my country much cheaper tax, and if you dont like the noise / volume, try aftermarket exhaust.
+Jeff K all of that is great, but the sound of a car totally changes how much fun they are to drive for a lot of people.
+Jeff K yeah but it sounds shit and who cares about mpg and the environment in a Porsche...
I'd rather drive an old v12 Jag, Aston, Ferrari or v8 muscle car than this. Driving for auto enthusiasts shouldn't be about the numbers. It's about the experience, the sound, and the way it makes you feel.
Just sold my 718 Boxster auto for a 718 gts manual. Bout as good as it gets for me. 5 stars!
Dear Carfection,
Thank you for stating an actual opinion besides a car being "brilliant"!
Am I the only one who doesn't see what the big deal is with the sound?
Slightly less soulful than the predecessor. The new car doesn't make a great noise like the old one, but its not as bad as this guy said it was. Just over exaggeration
i like the new noise a lot myself and I am thinking the 718 GT4 will get that brute noise sound when it comes out.
In the grand scheme of things, who cares one way or the other, its all personal preference. For those who don't give a hoot about the sound but wonder what the big deal is -- will never get it. Not really, anyways.
Snap crackle and pop, it sounds like shit
I like it. *shrug*
Ironically the sound comparison didn't make me dislike the 718s noise. I will say one of the best sounding cars I've ever driven was a 986 Boxster S, so I can only imagine the 981 Cayman S would've been the ultimate of that engine and position. 996/997/991 engines may've each sounded better than their Boxster/Cayman counterparts, but closeness helps too.
Brilliant reviewer I always look forward to hearing his reviews
Alex's narration is awesome!!
I have the 991 4 GTS and my wife drives the Boxster GTS and both have the amazing sounding engine note, we almost put an order down on a new 718 Cayman but couldn't live with the engine sound either.. Keep up the great posts
Carfection. Bravo. Your review is always so honest, on the mark and passionate. Well done. I am a Cayman S, as in naturally aspirated flat 6, driver and agree with your conclusions. Again, well done.
The last generation was and still is perfect. The is a new interpretation of a perfect car and the engine is perfect. A tuned 4 cylinder, pure performance and the sound of a race engine. Modern and efficient. I like the sound. I liked the old better, but it is again a perfect car.
I kind of started to like the new name. I makes me think about perfection and affection and cars. Great job guys.
Sounds great, love the growl and rumble and not whine…
Have the same Porsche cayman s and it sounds awesome especially on 5k rpm! Super fast car!!
Best looking Cayman yet. Love the rear styling.
My favorite review of the 718 thus far.
Same. It was no holds barred review and he spoke for the majority of the actual Porsche enthusiasts.
great review as always, I love this channel. Side note, does anybody know what kind of jacket he's wearing?
Excellent review!
Seems hard to complain, its faster, better handling, better breaking, and better gas mileage. So it doesn't sound the same.
It has a golf engine.
Kevin Keelan prove it.
@@kevinkeelan354 Your an apocalyptic pillock
Carter retraC “pillock” lol. What year are you from you twat? It has a seat/Skoda engine if it makes you feel better.
Dog of a car which is why they ditched the 2.5 gts and put a proper Porsche engine in it.
What I would like to see is a review of the base model (the non 's'). Like engine response, power delivery, differences to the s model and stuff
i have seen it live, its absolutely stunning
Production value of this video is awesome.
I'm just waiting to see what the aftermarket is going to do with this car, aftermarket exhaust (never going to sound as good as the old one but it probably will sound bloody good) and a ecu tune and this is going to be a rocket!
I'm in love with this color.
realy enjoyed the video! Thanks!!!
Thanks. Good review. Frankly I do not mind the sound.
beautiful color.
Hello, I really love your reviews (far better than French ones (but hey ! we've got the roads)). This is the second time I hear you wondering how "they" measure the 10% more direct direction. First : they do not measure it, "they" engineer and build it that way. Second : basically, that works exactly as a gear, or the final transmission on a motorbike (or on a bicycle : pick the one you want). You change the number of teeth on the sprockets, and you get a more or less direct direction kinematics. 10% more direct should mean than you'll turn your steering wheel 10% less to get the full swing of your front wheels.
Or maybe I misunderstood you (still working on my English).
Keep on the good work 👍
I like the name and I'm happy Porsche changed it because they wanted to show the cars are different from their respective predecessors. The change in name fits the change in engine type.
Looks fantastic
WOW!!! STUNNING REVIEW!
Was wondering, is it physically impossible to recreate or synthesise the signature flat six howling in the newer 4 cylinder iterations? Is it due to technical issues or more like a marketing strategy to shift the focus over to the 911s if you're after that beautiful roar?
drove one last week. The 4 cylinder at idle sounds like a lawn mower engine, but when the turbo kicks in, the acceleration is terrific.
I love the songs at the beginning and the end. Could someone tell me which songs they are, please? Thanks!
Speaking from a guy who has a 2015 Cayman flat 6, I think that Porsche roar is wonderful, but not a dealbreaker by any stretch. At 6am with no one on the road, it's a joy to behold. But with normal traffic and life, you rarely think about it. If you get a better car all around minus the sound, wouldn't you make that choice?
wonderful presentation. perhaps if I were to own one I guess I would turn up the stereo so loud that I wouldn't hear the exhaust note. then again I might just replace the exhaust
I always enjoy the videos Alex, but can I ask one thing? Turbo-lag isn't being below the boost threshold, turbo-lag is the time it takes for the turbo to come on boost when you're within range, so in this case above 2000rpm.
when you are a proud swede and love malmö, you feel so proud when a porsche video is made here!
Thank you for saying what you think about the noise. I cut short my test drive in a Boxster because I was offended that they would screw up the car. If I wanted a Beetle from the 1960s I'd have bought one. Also they've used some dubious plastics in it. The Sport steering wheel has gone from an alloy one to plastic, and it feels cheap. I also agree about the black rear trim with the Porsche badge on it - looks awful. Do you think they will be popular?
Great review Zcar
Love the colour
People pay too much attention to details you probably ain`t gonna see and hear in normal driving (city). And of course, there`s gonna be aftermarket exhaust that`s gonna sound meaner than previous Cayman ever sounded. To me, this Porsche is spot on, good looks, great handling and a price that finally looks and feels fair asked for sports car !!!
One of the very few reviews of the 718 cars, that seems honest. i bet the car reviewers who make Porsche happy by saying nice things about the horrible engine sound, wouldn't dream of actually putting their money into one. Not many car lovers would.
Great review. I love the looks of it, and everyone goes one about how great it handles and all that. SO sad they decided to put a Subaru sounding thing in it. It's fine for a Subaru, and i rea,lly like Subarus (the older, not the EXTREMELY ugly newer ones), but this is a Porsche.
Next trend: swapping older engines into newer cars
I like the new sound. It's less bark, more bite. It sounds like more of the power is going to the wheels, rather than the muffler.
Great job Alex. Exactly the reason I won't even consider the idea of buying one of these, despite being a huge Porsche fan. I'd choose the old model even if it cost the same in today's money.
Im sure there will be some pretty decent aftermarket exhausts for these if the sound bothers you that much.
How's the gear ratio on the manual? The GT4 had the long gear ratio problem. How is it in the new cayman?
I want that car. but I also like your jacket! where did you buy it?
Finally - the review about the 718 cayman, that I was looking for. Whenever Alex does a review of a car, that I had a chance to drive, I found his reviews spot on.
However, this time, I was expecting more depth, to be honest. Yes, it's a 4-cyl. Yes, the sound is at least "different". Everybody who is interested in the 718 has taken the opportunity to listen to the sound the 718 makes, and made up his mind.
Having driven naturally aspirated BMW i6 for the last 20 years, I normally hate Turbos. I hate the lag at low revs and I hate the unpredicted amount of power you get out of Turbos, once you lifted the throttle and get back on it within seconds (like lifting throttle while cornering).
But I DO recon, that if there is any car company on this planet capable of getting Turbos right, it has got to be Porsche. Ever since they put that VTG Turbo on the 997, they pretty much got the best Turbo cars available.
Now, we got the 718 cayman S. It is reported to do 0-200km/h in LESS than 14 seconds and shrugs a full 16 seconds off the outgoing cayman 981c's laptime around Nuernburg ring.
That is a seriously fast car. Add to that the fact, that much of the outgoing cayman GT4's rear suspension found it's way to the 718 and parts of the 911 Turbo's steering went into the 718 as well, I ask myself "How much better does it drive?". With 4 cyls, I expect the engine to be shorter and thus it can be placed favourably closer to the center. Can this be felt in real life? How much more of the rev band is accessible and usable, given peak torque kicks in so much earlier? Simply put, I was expecting much more about driving, than about sound.
Nevertheless, one of the best reviews of the 718 series at all. And I do expect Porsche doing a Cayman R or so with flat-6 and manual to follow up on the perfect 911R.
How about a back-to-back comparison review of the first 987 cayman, the 981c follower and this 982 generation? That would be awesome. Not only, because I am considering replacing my BMW Z4 Coupe with a Cayman and I cannot make up my mind which of the three to choose :)
Ah, and by the way, feel free to review the 911R in-depth. I'd really like to hear your take on the - IMHO - best sports car ever build ;)
Finally a someone in the car journalism world had the guts to call out this petty attempt from Porsche to make people less angry about the engine configuration and justify the downgrade in sound by sticking the name of race car from a ages ago. The intention is so obvious to the point of being downright ridiculous. The driving experience is as important or more than the spec sheet and numbers and sound plays a quite big part in it
I love the way it looks. Especially that tail. The sound however sounds a bit after market-y for me.
I'm buying this in a few years, can't wait to own a porsche. Don't care if this is the entry level model, to me this looks much better than any other prosche model out right now in terms of design.
did you get one?
After trying to order a new Cayman GTS 4.0 and being told that I basically have no chance of getting one new, and being unwilling to pay $130k for a slightly used (msrp $108k) one, I've decided I'll be more than happy with a Cayman S, despite the 4 banger. Doesn't sound terrible to me, and I like the crackling snarl. Though I love the sound of a good exhaust note, the driving experience is by far the more important aspect. Just paid the shipping cost for a 2017 Cayman S, and am very much looking forward to realizing a childhood dream of owning a Porsche. That first drive is going to be splendid...
I'm literally thinking the same, just started looking at used 718 Cayman S with manual - how dp you likw yours so far?
@@bokicveki5489 freakin' fantastic! Such a glorious machine... There's a nice twisty road near me, I've done it in a few different vehicles and a couple motorcycles, including my Ducati Monster 1200s. The Porsche dances in a way nothing else can. So light, so nimble, so precise. It's not perfect, but it's incredible. No regrets. If I were a rich man, I would definitely get a Cayman GT4rs...
@@phreenom Thanks for the reply, that's good to hear. All the reviews and tests I've watched in the last few weeks are saying pretty much the same thing - I'm going to look for a used one nicely spec'd in the future for sure. And what a coincidence, I ride a Ducati too, Hypermotard 821 SP, love that thing, never going to sell it. Anyways, thanks again and take care.
This guy is SPOT ON!!!
If Porsche wanted to put a four-cylinder turbo to market, why not just revive a 924/944 style car? Putting four-cylinder turbos in cars that are heralded for flat-sixes seems daft
You didn't seem to complain as much about the sound of the M3/M4 which has a similar exhaust note.
I LIKE THE BLACK BAR... AND THE SOUND
Can someone explain what he means by the noise being the only downside? Sounds pretty good to me
I am so glad Carfection shared their HONEST OPINION instead of just trying to make Porsche happy with this review. The sound is just terrible and also totally ruins the car for me. It surely drives better, but the noise is missing.
100% agree
Excellent review! ...And four a few hundred pounds you can change the muffler out to something more to your liking.
It would be a perfect car, if it had six cylinders. On Matt Farrah's One Take video of the Boxster, I asked in the comment section why they car didn't come with a very small, let's say two liter turbocharged six. He answered that they tried to, but apparently there wasn't enough space ...
I think many people don't understand why they dropped the 6 cylinder motor from Cayman and Boxster. The BIGGEST reason is very simple, it's to make the 911 more exclusive. Half of a sports car's worth is valued in the engine it has. If a Cayman and 911 has the same amount of cylinders, most customers will not see the value in the 911. With the Cayman/Boxster not having 6 cylinders anymore, there's a clear distinction between a Cayman, and a 911.
Siri true dat
I actually like the sound of the 4 cyl caymen. Its unique.
people just can't handle change
+Jeff K that's not the issue. The issue is when change falls short compared to the predecessor. Objectively the new motor offers some benefits, but the one big subjective thing is sound. And any sports car is bought with heart not head.
Let´s hope these fanboys cause it to be cheap to buy used because they are all heading for the old one
says the Golf GTI owner.
Any news on next gen gt4 dates?
I definitely understand the disappointment and anger resulting from the deviation of the flat 6. It sounded utterly amazing. However, as 4 cylinders go, this new engine sounds great; easily one of the best sounding stock four bangers IMO.
I think a lot of people swing and miss with the sound, it's not JUST because it lost two cylinders. The fact that it is now turboed makes as big if not a bigger impact on the engine sound, turbos by design extract energy that you would otherwise hear through the exhaust.
No spare tire on these cars ? is the replacement by technicians included in the buying price ?
The new Cayman is possibly the best looking Porsche yet, IMO, but not nice enough to overlook the 4-cylinder motor. What a shame.
Love your reviews, Alex. Spot on, and slyly & subtly entertaining. *thumbsup!*
I also like the noise from what I could hear from this video. Side thought; aftermarket parts are cheap these days..
3:03 I love this shot
If I hadn't purchased my 911 GTS back in March, this is a car I would have seriously considered. Sure, it doesn't have as nice a sound out the back as my flat 6 has, but for the money it's still a great looking car. Being a bit of an old guy, I'll take mine with a PDK.
When you revved the the 718 I thought the pops & bangs sounds like the Focus RS
superb design
I think it sounds different but certainly not "ruined", and 718 is only 3 numbers , not too hard to remember . Let it go man!
i love that color
I agree noise is very important when it comes to sports cars
It's like a rich man'd BRZ... Nice color though.
Thoughts on the new Cayman vs the 2015 GTS???
have u heard the noise of the mtm version?
I agree it doesn't sound as good as the last gen, but I don't think it's bad. It's a turbo 4, and as far as turbo 4s go, it's actually pretty high on the list of ones that sound good in my opinion. It gets a benefit from being a boxer style 4 than an inline and while that kinda makes it sound like an STI, I'd take STI over GTI tonally (and I own a Mk7 GTI, trust me the sound is my least favorite part. The car otherwise makes it worth it though). But maybe an aftermarket exhaust would let it howl a bit more.
Regardless, I think the damnation of the exhaust note for this is a bit harsh, but it's all subjective. I don't think any Porsches besides the GT series cars sound good, at least compared to their competition, but they'd all still be my first choice if I were in that market. I really like this Cayman, and I could easily live with that still decent exhaust note to get an overall package that's improved in literally every single other way.
Soundtrack at the end! Anybody knows the name of this track?
Thing is that the latest Boxster and Cayman are a massive improvement over the old cars. Far faster, better handling, better riding and considerably quieter. You only hear the engine if you’re flat out and then there’s an aggressive rasp and immense acceleration. They’re really fast and make the old cars noisy, feel sluggish and as though you’re travelling faster than you are, which is the opposite of the new car.
These enormous benefits are lost in a forest of exhaust sound twerps, who need to get out more.
I’ve just been thrashing my 718 up and down mountain passes in Spain in my 718 which replaced a much lover 987.
love the colour. whats the name of it
Miami Blue
Shitty blue
+Roelf van der Merwe
Lol
I kinda like how it sounds.
I thought I was listening to Richard Hammond for a minute there :D
This guy would rather have the noise than the performance. He actually said that.
does the manual rev match?
Turbo lag is measured in time, not RPM. Turbo lag is the delay between stepping on the gas and the boost reaching the engine.