The Hard Problem of Matter: Deepak Chopra and Rupert Spira
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A Conversation with Deepak Chopra and Rupert Spira exploring the classic idealism vs materialism divide.
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Rupert is quite possibly, for matters of being, the best teacher one could ever hope for.
He's terrible.
He even winds up the trolls.
A bit too intellectual for my taste
For your personality… right? Or are you the master voice of all?
dunno about that, but great name!
‘’Time is what eternity looks like when viewed through thoughts; space is what infinity looks like when viewed through perception.’’ -Rupert loved this conversation 🙏
I don't find "space" or "time" or an XYZ coordinate system to be sufficient to explain reality anymore. But I like the rest of this quote. We can imagine "timeless" and "spaceless" objects, for example "a red cube" that is not in any space or time context, it's just that red cube in your mind. Or you could imagine abstract objects like "the smell of coffee". The only constraint it seems, with perception or thoughts is that they are necessarily object-oriented. Any attempt to cognize a mere feature of an object casts it as a new object. That's why we find smaller and smaller particles, we can't see it any other way.
Tell this to the folks in Ukraine and they become soooo happy.
Rupert is a true master of peace 🙏
and a wonderful teacher of non- duality
“ Consciousness is that in which all experience appears, with which all experience is known and out of which all experience is made.” BRILLIANT!!!🙏
How do you know that this statement is right?
Been a follower of Rupert Spira for a while now. His talks helped me so much during the pandemic. I found it so easy to understand, and I remember a line from Rumi that says it all in a nutshell, What you are looking for is where you are looking from. I am that that I seek. Absolutely beautiful and mind blowing. 🙏💙🙏
@@oscar3490 Namaste Oscar, Its self explanatory, use your heart not your head. Blessings to you. 🙏💙🙏
Beautiful! Love that 💗
I agree i think Rupert is the best non- duality teacher in my book anyways 💗
Now you're no more? On what point you do not follow him any more? I don't know Rupert too much. Watched a couple of his video clips.
@@christinedavison7604 "You hide in me and I hide in you, we hide in each other" (RUMI)
Deepak is not fake, he is rather “me, asking my questions” . I myself can not ask them. So, thank you Deepak, for this interview.
I love how Rupert deftly handled Deepak's wonderful separate self, so eager to insert itself.
Deepak is humbly inserting things that many would who do not fully grasp this. If we are all one consciousness it doesn't negate separate personalities, nor levels of understanding. It is Deepaks stage and I feel his admiration for Rupert and enjoy his willingness to take the separate self position to get better clarity and explanation out of Rupert. As he said for people to understand this. Vicki
@@richardeidemiller6739hanks for sharing this, because I get frustrated with explaining this and forget this very valid point of view. I'll work to be more accommodating.
@@versoturner5777 Why is Rupert so obsessed with consciousness as it is a common daily experience for people I feel he's making a big deal out of it. And I don't agree that one can not experience the past, take the experience of having sex if one recall the act it's can cause a physical arousal which is proof of the past influencing the present.
That is indeed a thought about 'the past' but it is a thought that is being experienced in the present moment, and in that sense there is no past that exists, only thoughts appearing in the present moment. It would be precisely the same for 'the future'
As Chopra pointed out at the beginning, he is doing his job as interviewer by offering opportunities for Rupert to explain the nuances of his ideas. It is not a competition.
I respect both beings in their represention of the Infinite/Absolute . It's shallow to compare, but you have to remember from the start of the video DEEPAK took the position of interviewing and Rupert as the interviewed. Rupert gets the LAST SAY say while Deepak comfortably sits back and listens. Both playing their roles perfectly.
No. Deepak is not enlightened. He believes he is and thus convincing but there is no illumination there at all. Rupert gently holding him accountable. Sometimes in shock at his delusional.
If one can assimilate the information shared by Rupert in their own experience! One is free here and now ! Such clarity in the teachings. It’s a great privilege and a blessing to listen to these talks
This conversation towards the end brought tears to my eyes when Rupert talks about the source of happiness. So powerful to be a living experience of happiness at the core of our being.🙏🏾
“Matter is the way consciousness appears to itself when viewed through the prism of a finite mind. The finite mind always knows experience in duality, that is, in subject-object relationship, so the object must appear in a way that is distinct from the subject subject.” - Rupert Spira
It was great listening to the two separate individuals talking about a fourth thing conceptually.
I am the third separate individual trying desperately to feel the enlightenment experience.
The fourth thing they were talking about was probably untalkable, unnameable, unknowable. But they tried their best and the discussion went beautifully from beginning to the end leaving no trace behind like the flight of the eagle in the sky.
Maya is that “force” which makes the non dimensional nature of reality appears as a three dimensional world. Is the first time I get a glimpse of the real meaning of this such important concept in Non Duality. Thank you
LOL. Is everyone just enjoying complicated slang based on some basic principles taken from ancient scripts. Deepak chopra just using so unnecessary slang making him look good lol but no sense at all lol
@SIMPLY HUMAN The rabbit IS an appearance in consciousness. Life is an illusion , a mental happening. Is like the night dream, happening in consciousnes.The "creation " is mental not phisical.The "creator " is the Consciousness not an entity . And the sourse of the consciousness is the Absolute. The only thing real is the Absolute and "inside " the Absolute consciusness arise and "say" " I am" , the first thought .The consciousness produce thoughts not the individual mind.When the cosciousness identify with that thought "I am" apear the ego the individual mind ( the idea that you are the body). "I" is only a thought. You are only a thought in conscuiousness and anything else , any "thing" "object, body animal , feeling ...appear in consciousness like a dream from night. Only the Absolute is real and you (us) are That. Enlightment is realise that you are not the body/mind but the Absolute. In fact you desapear like an "I" and realise that always were the Absolute, the source of everything that apear only aparently.
@SIMPLY HUMAN why do you assume the universe was created?
@SIMPLY HUMAN what is being created and destroyed ?
@SIMPLY HUMAN how is that not an appearence within conciousness
"How does this understanding alleviate human suffering?" Deepak asks. To me, that is the most important question!
@SIMPLY HUMAN why do you separate 'Understanding' and knowing your true nature. They are the same thing!
Experientially they are not if understanding you mean someone has described the taste of sugar but you have not tasted it. This means one can distort that over time in communicating that to others and inflate a spiritual ego. Eg Deepak etc etc etc etc etc etc
Knowing is EXTREMELY rare and The understanders get trapped….deeply usually at mental understanding and why Ramana said it was for the end of the path.
Few get the sacrifice and healing within that needs to occur to hold knowing ongoing. Hence Raman’s words his teaching followers have forgotten either by accident or design.
Teaching the end to ignorance that’s too deep traps the node of consciousness or human being longer.
If we now reply with the is no person and it’s not your radiant experience ongoing than my point is proven.
Rupert does not mention the light experienced by that and “others” enough imo that allows large followings but is a trap for most as the claim WAY to early and that mitigate it to an imagined knowing.
He also explains THAT the unexplainable non state wonderfully!
@@is-ness That the 'me' (the 'separate thing me,' apart from God or the Whole) does not exist in any shape or from is what is crucial if really want to awaken and 'go for' what-is-known-from-here as 'Enlightenment'... which is just an awakening, or a 'recognition' (Spira's words) for it. It is simple and no big-deal on the one hand, but it is Huge and momentous on the other, affecting everything in our lives and -albeit in a subtle way perhaps, ever being we may encounter!
If we KNOW this (you suggested it is very rare), then we will never get a spiritual ego - for that whole mistaken disease' has died. Gurdjieff says 'we can allow ourselves to fall asleep with others' -i.e. whom have no interest in the Depth, Truth and Power of being truly awake - but we should not get lost: once we have seen the so-called 'snake' as a rope, we are never fooled, really ever again!
Re Mr. Chopra, I might be wrong, which is partly why I make comments elsewhere, but I believe you misunderstand what Deepak is doing. Recently he has had his own 'dark night of the soul' and I think he gets it more than just in his mind! Here, (this is where I might be wrong?) to me he is playing the role of the 'ignorant' seeker, for the sake of Rupert elucidation misunderstand
But what he says is perfectly fine, from 99.9% of people in the world - to which the incredibly condescending and worse audience laugh at! How they must look down on the average person in life! Gurdjieff called them 'tramps'!
Mr Spira kind of utilises it, he seems to slightly play the role of the serious one who agrees with their humour but is 'above' it.
This is what my sensitivity and awareness gleans from some of this encounter.
I think Rupert gets it, and is a Good guy, but all teacher share their human limitations, and Rupert certainly does.
@SIMPLY HUMAN No sir, not for me.
There is no death for the I that we are. That is the whole point!
All the matters -always and everywhere, is how you are right now! That is our choice/non-choice; everything else is an escape from the directness and Here-ness and depth of Reality, of Life or aliveness right right here and now.
I myself don't differentiate b/ween those first two words, not would word it like that in yr second sentence!
I wonder what is the point if you are random conscious life temporarily inhabiting some form
Loved this talk;
Appreciate Deepak’s questions build on the discussion to help conceptual clarity.
Rupert reminds me so much of Jiddu Krishnamurty, different styles but so much similarity...mannerism, grace, posture, conduct etc
Both are highly intellectual. But i feel JK is on a even higher level. Also JK talks about our direct experience of life, where Rupert talks about objective reality but we dont have much use of that since its not our direct experience of life.
Consciousness is the space in which all experience occurs, from which all experience is known, out of which all experience is made. Abide as infinite self aware being, where all perceptions, images, emotions, ideas and thoughts are perceived from the spacious expanse of pure awareness
i hope everyone is blessed enough to find these priceless gems of wisdom, and be uplifted inspired and enlightened 💗🙏💗
Deepak Chopra has brought this topic wide reach and acceptance
Rupert is a force!
I haven't heard the lecture yet but I love the phrase ' hard problem of matter ' 🙂🕉️
It's really hard, I tell you, trying to find it through some much BS
@@jorgetorres6162 But it is obvious, and rather trivial: if consciousness (awareness) is the ultimate reality, then the study of matter can never reveal what it is, since matter itself doesn't have a real existence of its own. It seems like BS to you because you have grown up with a materialistic philosophy (as have I). Belief in the primacy of matter seems obvious or self-evident, but that is an illusion. There is no proof that matter is primary to reality, just as there can be no proof that we are not realistic simulations inside some gigantic computer system.
"Matter" does not exist as standalone entities, nor do you. Consciousness precedes matter. Name and form constructs what the mind perceives to be static and matter through identifying with such thought forms and the immediate senses we have been given. Reality is beyond thought and the mind. Everything comes from the same One/Absolute in this whole cosmos.
@@IAn0nI As a follower of Advaita Vedanta in genera ,l and Sri Ramana Maharshi in particular, I agree with your statement.
@@michaeldillon3113 🙏
6:17 "Does anyone have any experience of the world, except seeing hearing touching tasting and smelling?"
I think that we have inner senses - intuition impulses emotions feelings a sense of truth, beliefs etc all this is included in the way we experience our existence and life. I say this as a believer that all reality emerges from spiritual consciousness.
All that inner stuff you mentioned is most definitively not the experience of world. Its your own conclusions and psychological drama.
If you see a rock, you can only see it, or touch it. If you think and say, he is mostly white so all rocks must be white, thats not an experience.
Deepak wrote a blurb on Rupert's most recent book "You are the Happiness You Seek" and said, " I've gained deeper understanding listening to Rupert Spira than I have from any other exponent of modern spirituality."
Rupert is amazingly eloquent and understandable. Not surprised.
That’s great. Why is he here acting like he knows ( listen closely.Sam Harris obliterated him and he has not learned $$$$) here I wonder whereas anyone that actually knows it, spent time close to someone that does sees Deepak is an actor of knowing truth.
That’s the laughter in the room.
Sit down Deepak. You’re distorting truth for millions and a karmic debt you don’t have much time to correct.
True silence is a mystery to you and complication the norm.
@@is-ness "I" came to the same "understanding"...."He" is still in prison.
😂😂
@@serafimsousa5383absolutely but in the very tricky im awake trap.
Two of the best beings on our planet. peace and happiness to All being everywhere and (nowhere).
Deepak is the classic repeater of others knowledge while never admitting he hasn’t awakened.
It’s quite tricky.
Pick who you listen to very carefully as it’s very nuanced.
True
Both are the repeaters! They are the leftovers of the person I dnt want to name!
@@coursefacilitator2342 please name... Or give a hint
That's simply not true. Chopra has never claimed that he is enlightened. On the contrary he has made it clear he is not an awakened being.
@@sainathpendkar Don't mind the projections of someone's ego
Thank you, Rupert Spira 🙏✨️
Deep sleep is consciousness without sensations and perceptions. Consciousness never changes. Death is the end of the body mind but consciousness is ever present, eternal. Choiceless awareness is connecting with consciousness. Time is thought, Memory is thought. Without it there is no time.I am only mirroring what I have learned from you guys. Thank you so much.
Highly scientific and philosophical.
Everyone should seek the knowledge of the Vedas. The Vedas is universal
Buzz Wordy if you are only mirroring and it's not your own authentic experience maybe you should be more careful about making these kinds of lofty statements about the mysteries of life ;-)
In all fairness, it should be admitted that the sleep experience of those not yet fully aware of their own awareness is not seen clearly, or is usually forgotten after waking up. When I teach, I am careful to acknowledge our everyday experiences before describing what "really" happens, or what happens after self-realization.
@@david203 Being aware of being aware.Thats it.
@@bodhiheeren Experience also my dear friend😀
Has Rupert spoken anywhere on Osho? I love them both.
It's interesting to see the way Rupert sits up in his chair for most of the interview, back unsupported the way you would when sitting zazen. He seems to be always mindful of his position in the world.
He used to do seated chanting meditation for many years prior to discovering advaitic teaching. Perhaps he is well accustomed to sitting straight and unsupported.
Love this
Yes this was a tough lecture to understand for many people, as evidenced by the laughter
YES someone agrees with my take! This talk didn't do it for me. It was lacking a flow or... something.
A Hindu and Buddhist agree! God is Love itSelf.
Thankyou.
Absolute bliss 🙏
Wow this is deep !
The explanation of entlightment with screens and electronics etc is something the ancient masters must have never thought that day would be experienced in conciousness hahahaha.
38:28 has anyone ever experienced a disappearance and appearance of awareness?!!! This is where Rupert displays once more his genius …
Thankyou for your shared discussion and a wee laugh inbetween.💜
Deepak pretending to be like doesn't know just to ask more questions on behalf of others but both of them are legends in spirituality and non dualism.
Here's one that will throw you for a loop: "The physical world is in reality nothing more than inert matter. The inherent life and animation in all forms, from atoms to man, come from the subtle forces of the astral world. These, in turn, have evolved from the still finer forces of the causal or ideational creation, the creative vibratory thoughts emanating from the consciousness of God or Infinite Consciousness. Man, the microcosm, is in all respects, an epitome of the macrocosm. His physical body is gross matter. His life and his ability to perceive through the senses and cognize through the consciousness are dependent on the subtle powers and forces of his astral and causal bodies, all instruments of the indwelling soul or individualized consciousness of God." - Paramahansa Yogananda (God Talks with Arjuna, Vol. 1, p.59)
On waking from deep sleep or anaesthetic we are aware we lack memory of our recent past, which we would usually have.
Yes Rupert consciousness doesn't go through the three states. Consciousness is static. It is its static nature that allows the detection of those three states that intrinsically contain change. If consciousness wasn't static, how could change be detected? There would be no "platform" that would allow detection.
The inversion where consciousness loses itself in experience is rectified when consciousness knows this: without that which experiences, no experience exists.
Nice to listen sipara.. I m also on the path of self enquiry. Truth make us happy, nothing else. Listening or speaking.
I just to have to say wow "Rupert "
Perception is the transduction of matter into consciousness and visa versa.
Nice conversation, Advait coming back with glory and let's not just listen but experience.
Wonderful.. thankyou Rupert and Deepak. so helpful
Love you both so much. Thankyou for you all your speeches and writings. They will live on beyond all our bodies❤
One will be timeless and one will be imagining timeless through words. Work out which. 🤣
@@is-ness Stopppp😹
@@is-ness don’t be so harsh on him. He dedicated his life to sharing the …. He just needs to lower that vocabulary for me to keep up. Lets just love bro.😅
Om Shanti Shanti Shanti 🙏
Beautiful conversation. For me a deepening Insight into the innate nature of consciousness. Thank you.
So,to me this is another take on Biocentrism..the idea that matter,things,reality itself only exists because of consciousness. Robert Lanza explains this in his 2 books on Biocentrism. If the tree falls in the forest ,if we are not there to hear it does it make a sound?..indeed,if we are not there the tree nor the forest exists.
Probably it's very interesting and intelligent. Personally I must say it seems very abstract and removed from any kind of everyday experience. And who prefers to watch the screen instead of the movie? It seems to be Spira's favorite metaphor but it seems strange the way he makes the screen into a kind active agent. Anyway I'm happy to be the fool who don't understand and I have to admit I feel that this easily can turn into some kind of verbal knowledge and intellectual theory that people can repeat - without really having any actual experience to back their claims up.
Rupert very frequently interrupts Chopra only to repeat his position again in the same worlds. At one point he flat out refused it when Chopra tried to discuss the body saying something like why do you need to think about the body? Chopra explained that was the topic of interest--matter, not just mind.
Chopra was being called out
My awareness of causal/ temporal discontinuities suggests that I had been unaware for a time. I could not experience unawareness as it was happening, but I could experience it like a memory, or like deductive reasoning. I could know it by inference.
Im not sure about others here, but it is going to take me atleast 15-20 hours to carefully go through each and every statement made here, understand it as stated, take in the essence of that understanding and begin to introspect on what is understood. This is not some light hearted discourse, if you are a serious seeker, this is going to take some time.
There is another worldview. Life is BOTH dual and non dual. There is a spectrum from dual to non dual as consciousness becomes progressively more subtle.
The conversation between them was awesome, Rupert's explanation about consciousness, finite self and the addiction to desire was very objective. I still having doubts about our necessity to sleep and, as per Rupert's answer, for consciousness there is no differentiation in the states (sleep - dream - deep dream), is that so? Another doubt that I have, if there aren't different dimensions, what about more evolved civilisation? If there are, are they also God's dream?
From where yours doubt camm from? Invastigacion if you missing somthing and ask who is this one have doubt and what this doubt teling you and be aware of nature of arising doubt ,,dimension someone search cannot be outside concisness to bring awernes now your mind cal douwn then real peace arise and doubt disapeears
Ofc there are more evolved civilisations. The universe is too big and exist for too long for not having more civilisations then us. They are also consciouss if they evolved enough
They're just debating. But I love seeing them debate
Looks like Rupert and Deepak are not in the same wavelength. If they had argued it would have been more interesting.
*ON the same wavelength
Why we got that senses..sensors?
If there is nothing outside mind.
Thank you❤️❤️🙂
In order to speak of what is true, real, or valid, one must start with what IS. The word is means present, exist, having being. Now - What Is, is not a student of Itself. One cannot become what One already is. Truth is what It is to Itself, not what it appears to be to a so-called other.
So basically you have to see your own true nature and abide in that and once you get that it all makes sense?. Words are just signposts to that direct experience?
That's a great summary. Rupert's video are a great help
These two are my favs!! It’s so heart warming, delightful & just plain funny watching these guys add humor to this conversation.. I found myself lol!! That’s sweet… it’s special…& transformative… Thank U both…❤️♥️❤️🙏🏽🕉✌🏽👍🏽😊😃
Deepak is a bit rude - interrupting and talking over Rupert. Rupert remains a gentleman trying to complete his sentences between the interruptions. I'm moving over to Rupert. He is very thoughtful, reflective, patient, intelligent, well spoken.
Its the ego Susan, ego talks and humility listens!
It appears rude bc of the lens of American culture but n other cultures interrupting is considered as "chiming in" and is seen as helpful. Latin culture, you HAVE to interrupt or else you won't be heard. I love the energy between these two!
wow- how perceptions differ. The audience was incredibly, ignorantly 'rude', and Rupert did not tell them off for it! I would have!
He doesn’t seem rude at all on the contrary he appears to have respect and deference. I do love Rupert, his explanations are just amazing. Luckily we never have to pick one over another!
lol I thought Rupert was slightly rude amazing how perception is different w people 😊
So please explain what enlightenment feels and means 🙏🙏🙏🙏
People think I fell off the turnip truck when I explain this same thing. I trust everyone will get there in their own time. Or they won’t.
Think the ONLY criticism of rupert is that he seems to have trouble listening sometimes.... He talks over people quite a lot
I felt it was the other way around✨
I`ts because Deepak doesn`t get it.
A teachers job to not let the ignorant spread their mess.
There is no illusory separate self unless consciousness initiates the illusion. Chopra is right. Consciousness veils itself. It's consciousness' doing to itself. And it takes consciousness since it is all there is. Other than consciousness' worldbeing itself there is no world.Consciousness happening within itself as whatever. Living a mind wake . Consciousness differbeing itself as whatever. Consciousness lends the whole thing its existence by taking itself as such with its own perception. There is never a separate finite self. It is consciousness about itself.
He explains it so well that it makes me laugh!
ज्ञेयं ज्ञानं ज्ञानगम्यं....a phrase in gitaji adhyay 13. Means objects's absance is there in deep slip for awareness to be aware of but in death awareness itself is not there to experience.... Sat chit anand.... Sat is always there slip or death.... Chit (ज्ञानं ) when you are alive..... Ananand means infinity always there sleep or death...... So death means absence of awareness itself... Subject is absent.
So deep sleep object and subject both are present but in death at laukik level object is there but subject is merged with अविभक्त.
An interesting example of Rupert retracing himself back home
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32 min - Clear identificatio, and a sense of separation (concern around confused expression)
33 min - Noticing that being is caught in identification, attentions move to see it more clearly. Rupert removes a piece of clothing to help let go of the identification
36 min - There is a clear return of freshness, less identified, speaking clearly, softly, slowly, and directly from being.
1. Notice departure from being. 2. Retrace back to being 3. Rest as being 4. Express from being : )
I recall readin schopenhauer
* am in world and world is in me
Nice 🙏🙏🙏
Problem (hard) of matter is not discussed. Only concept of consciousness getting repeated.
Question is how matter is created from consciousness ? How all the different matter have different destiny and different time frame?
Consciousness counts infinity.
How to molecules create consciousness and all that goes with it?
I don't think it's that difficult to conceive of matter arriving at such complex states that it becomes things like consciousness. I think most people underestimate how complex the various motions and momentums of matter truly are. They want to think it can be understood simply, but matter is complexity beyond understanding.
Humans have no mechanism to describe what thoughts and feelings actually are. We can find no link to physical matter. That is the "hard problem of consciousness."
The whole thing kind of fell apart in a comical outpouring of laughter towards the end.
I felt really sorry the poor guy to be honest, but floored logic is exactly that.
@ 32:43 rupert says as the something power to veil the waking consciousness decreases ,the power of nothingness at deep sleep increases right ?in deep sleep. with respect to awakened being. correct me if
Rupert is far too impatient here. He jumped to the end in the first 5 minutes. Strange
Ye, he dominates 'dialogue', oftentimes .. But he less like that this time!
Yeah, very bizarre. Not impressed with Rupert here.
Excelente! I love you both!
Me too
Of course, the "hard problem of consciousness" is how the complex interconnections of the brain can give rise to the experience of being aware. But this problem assumes that matter is the lowest level of reality. Simply make a different assumption, namely that there is only one, unbounded consciousness which is the lowest level of reality, and the solution is trivial: awareness is all that actually exists.
Remarkably, the very same shift in philosophical viewpoint solves another big problem, discussed in this video: the fundamental problem of physics, which is: what is the origin or source of matter, energy, space, and time?
The solution to this problem found that we find in the Universe and its behaviors is also the same trivial concept: that awareness is all that actually exists.
Our everyday views of reality are limited by our belief that we are bodies, separate from and independent of consciousness. No wonder that our everyday views have problems the closer you get to their roots: our beliefs prevent us from seeing that consciousness itself is the root of all we experience.
A few questions I would have liked to ask:
1. Does reality exist outside of mind? Did it exist before?
2. What was the big bang?
3. Rupert talks about consciousness as a screen. As humans we've only experienced the screen with sensations. (The same series has been broadcast with different episodes, you could say.) How do we know this isn't the limit of consciousness? What evidence do we have?
4. What exactly are the rules of physics?
5. I felt like the discussion about time was incomplete. Past and future might not exist but time still seems to pass. How do we reconcile that?
@@fancee_shmancee Here are some answers based on my studies and experience:
1. Reality ONLY exists outside of the mind, and it has always existed. Pure consciousness is reality, and, unlike our mental picture of the world, it is unchanging and complete.
2. The Big Bang is a theory to explain how the Universe came into being, given that it keeps on expanding in size.
3. We know that the screen of consciousness can be known because when we look directly at it we can see it. Of course, the "we" I use here refers to two different entities: the "we" as the separate self is a bundle of concepts and beliefs, and is ever-changing, while the "we" that is awareness (the screen) is never-changing, and has no beliefs.
4. The rules of physics are the laws of nature, that is, how the objective phenomena we can observe through our senses of perception and our scientific and other instruments behave, fundamentally.
5. The past and future do not exist; we know this because we cannot visit either one. But we have a bigger problem: our awareness of the current moment keeps varying. It is gone when we sleep, or when we are distracted by some thought or perception. What spiritual/mental practice can do is eliminate the believed obstacles to living in the moment continuously.
When was this?
*"That which perceives"* ( ie 'it' ) is the sole fundamental cause to all nature of perceptions, consciousness, awareness, knowing, etc
Nothing can be outside of *"that which perceives"* - the Buddhists called it Buddha-nature, the Taoists called it Tao-nature, the Christians called it God or Christ-nature, the Hindus called it Brahman-nature, the Moslems called it Allah-nature.
*'It'* is unknowable, thus un-nameable, undescribable, inexpressible or inconceivable.
It neither comes nor goes, neither moves, stays nor dies. And it is not subject to Causality. 😊🙏🙇♂️🌷
Is this solipsism? Or the self another abstraction. Are the people I am perceiving also perceiving their own selves? If so doesn’t that mean that they exist seperate? Are their sensations seperate from my sensations? Are there multiple minds?
From what I understand it's not. My sensations appear in counsciousness and yours as well. They are seperate as a sensations, but that which experiences them is the same. Consciousness divides itself into small minds that impose apparent limits on it, that is why I do not feel your feelings, and you do not feel my from our perspective, but in reality, behind those limitations is the same one cousnciousness.
WOW. More of you together please
..of mattr
..(does it matter.....)?(
Is there something called sub-conscious?
The world is like the Pensieve from Harry Potter. But instead of memories it's basically your self conscious. Like the movie inception, but the only problem is the identification as the character that appears before us in those specific experiences.
You are Mary (God) having a dream experience of Jane (your name here.) Problems come from identifying as Jane or in the main character of the movie we are watching. Sad when there's a sad scene, happy when there's a happy scene.
First of all mind is not an ultimate knower or knows but it is known by Awareness, mind can't know invisible presence of Awareness and for the mind everything is matter but it is appear in Awareness and known by Awareness and yet mind is not other thing from the Awareness or separate from the Awareness because it is in Awareness and so not existing outside of Awareness and so Awareness never knows the mind as an other thing or separate thing and whatever is known it is in Awareness not exist outside of Awareness not a second reality form Awareness so there's no matter but Awareness alone in name and form of the universe.
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Consciousness is a mind perspective. When the mind has been through, one becomes pure love, mind-less, the final destination. Be kind ;)
Brilliant stuff by Rupert showing conscious maturity. Deepak says a lot of things but doesn't really say anything... although appreciate his questions. This reminds me of the quote "Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools speak because they have to say something." Was fun to observe, thanks
Deepak is an entrepreneur of knowledge, Rupert a revealer of it.
Well said.
Dear Rupert, I’m following you on almost all your interviews or podcasts and believe I understand what you’re saying and believing although it’s complicated and explained with lots of metaphors. In this particular interview you mentioned the following; you used the analogy about the spider and it’s web and that consciousness gives birth to the World inside itself and find itself as a self lost in this world, that self retraces its footsteps back to itself, but leaves the world intact!
Now PLEASE explain ones and for all, where do you have or get this knowledge/wisdom from and WHY is this true for you? Is it “just” based on believe, like we’ve seen and heard more in the past (Christianity, Jewish, Islamic), or can you provide proof? How do you know this is the ultimate truth? Are you a new form of pelgrim and proclaimer of ‘the word’ with the message ‘you just have to believe’ or can you answer my above questions? If it’s knowing that’s required to reveille the curtain, than how to get to this knowing? I hope you can explain because your message is the most beautiful in this consciousness created universe… thanks for that! I wish you well.
Playing the devil’s advocate here: this is just another belief system, a story. Awareness is still duality, but replacing the ‘I am the mind’ with the belief ‘I am awareness’. In reality, there is only this, and this is the end of all stories. ‘I am awareness’ is still not the end of duality and seeking. Don’t belief any belief - including this one - and be free
@@Capedium "I am awareness" does end duality, because our life is no longer dominated by a poorly-known subject observing a large variety of objects and events. "I am awareness" does end seeking, because the cause of all questions, our attachment to unrealizable desires, ends. The problem is that ignorance (materialism) is extremely hard to eliminate through effort: any effort to remove the ego only gives it more power to make our life miserable.
The knowings come to you in meditation. Just go inside and sit quietly and the world will reveal itself to you. It will “Roll in ecstacy at your feet”.
-- F Kaufka
Consciousess is what?
Alguien que la traduzca al español?
I don’t understand why the audience is laughing. I see that as rude and unaware of what a dialogue is. The laughing breaks the insight, stillness and realization that is there within the dialogue.
J Krishnamurti had many dialogues with many scholars and psychologists and those are most enlightening.
They laugh at Chopra. And he deserves that. You should understand it yourself.
@@emendatus1 I do not agree that Deepak should be laughed at, nor anyone else, but the key thing here is that this was a dialogue. And anyone getting anything from these teachings from Rupert would not think so either. If one watched J Krishnamurti having dialogues with David Bohm, Rupert Shedrake, or others back in the day, one can see what a true dialogue is.
@@LDPink60 Because Bohm is much greater than Chopra.
@@emendatus1 who’s to judge anyone being greater though? I’m sure your inner wisdom and mine and everyone’s would say we can’t. It’s nice you seem to be a Rupert follower. It’s great to have these individuals to share the wisdom they have found. Wishing you the most peace with all this wisdom 🙏🏻 Good to dialogue with you☺️
@@LDPink60 Yes. İ am a long time Rupert follower. Before that İ was Sw. Sivananda of Rishikesh follower. İ read many of his books. For ten years İ was observing brahmacharya very strictly. İ was letting out sperm once a year. My record was 1.5 year. This helped me immensely to speed up my journey towards Myself.
2 souls discussing awareness/consciousness...one has the knowledge of it and one supposedly has had a glimpse/ experience of it (Rupert).. 🙏... Beautiful nevertheless!
We all have the experience of it, but most haven't investigated their Self deeply enough to realise the profound implications of the discovery. But I would agree; Rupert has recognized the real nature of reality and Depak has knowledge of it.
Wow
What matter?