Lori Vallow Daybell Court April 28, 2023: Samantha Gwilliam and Christina West Testimony
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- Samantha Gwilliam said her sister Tammy Daybell had been sick with a bout of depression a few years prior to moving to Idaho. Samantha said she would do visual checks on Tammy, and she looked well the last time she saw her before Tammy's death two weeks later.
Christina West previously worked as a dispatcher for Fremont Count Sheriff's Office. West was working Oct. 19, 2019, during the morning shift when she received a call of a deceased individual, Tammy Daybell.
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So, apparently in Idaho, you can just tell the authorities that someone relatively young died in their sleep and act like you're upset and the authorities will just call it good like simpletons.
The wide-eyed credulousness in a lot of people concerned with this trial is amazing. Poor Charles never stood a chance. Tammy and the kids could have been saved, and maybe Charles himself, if so many different people had not been so determinedly naive.
@@eh1702 I agree. I cannot hardly believe it either. And that best friend that just went with all the nonsense saying "well they said..." Are you KIDDING me?
The best friend Melanie makes me SICK! Literally makes me ill
So old and so 😵💫😳🙄
God forgive me she's DUMB!!!
Honestly if grown people are so dangerously gullible they ought to have legal guardians to protect society from their delusions!
@@eh1702so well said. It’s infuriating. The AZ stuff with Charles is infuriating. Determined to stay naive is on the money
@@WindsofChange Not to mention police blowing Charles off, when he told them his brother-in-law’s background as well as everything else. And “Yup, your wife’s dead, oh, well, she took vitamins and you say she was poorly.” Without JJ’s grandparents, Charles and Tammy would not have beer considered as victims of foul play, and Chad & Lori would to this day be prattling about JJ at some residential school and Tylee quitting college and running off.
Empty nesters ??? BAM!!
not the first time or first person to confirm this. when they were looking for apartments their application stated no kids no dogs clean couple
😮😢
@@joseelafrance4807”clean”…define that to the jury, folks. What did y’all mean by “clean”?
Both grieving their spouses. Unquote. Dirty, dirty deplorable people. To add, stating no children shows the plans right up front to rid themselves of the children.
Remember- this was the evening that Lori took the phone call and was upset. She said "idiot!!! He cant do anything right!" Zulema told us that while she was on the stand.
I wonder if Alex didnt load the gun on purpose. I dont thibk it was a paintball gun at all. I think it was one of his serious prepper guns. He either didn't load it "by accident" or he just didnt shoot.
Either way, im left with the impression that Lori was upset that Alex failed.
Ditto!!!
Exactly what the prosecution is leading to.
I dont think Alex killed the kids alone. The morning J.J. was killed, THE ENTIRE DOOMSDAY CULT went to look at a huge plot of land for sale & during interviews ALL OF THEM LIED, insisting they could NOT remember the exact events that day! MELANIE GIBB & DAVID WARWICK & MELANIE BOUDREAUX & IAN PALOWSKI, CHAD & LORI all DENIED even wondering or asking about TYLER or JJ's location for MONTHS, making CRAZY EXCUSES about where these kids were & why! THEY COLLUDED, working together, giving the same answers INSISTING it was all ALEX (Alex's wife ZUMA testified that one of the last things he said before OVERDOSING was "IM THE FALL GUY")
I thought that too Teaspiracy, I thought that Alex may have deliberately missed, or used an unloaded gun, to make Lori and Chad think he was on board with it, he may have started to ask himself questions by then & felt he had to go ahead with this plan that he decided he was going to fail at, maybe he thought, if he didn't go through with it, he was next? Well, he was next wasn't he?
so yeah, something to consider I guess.
3:11:05
So they shot at and later killed Tammy, Chad's wife. They shot and killed Charles, Lori's husband, they shot at Brandon, Lori's nephew in law, they killed JJ and Tylee and I firmly believe someone did something to Alex that resulted in his death, Lori's brother, perhaps so he couldn't talk about his involvement. Am I missing anything, more seems to come out everyday. What a trail of destruction just so these two idiots could be together.
Yes you’ve got them all but think that you’re missing Joseph her ex husband who suddenly died from a heart issue. Also who knows what happened to her sister who suddenly died as a kid too? Loris parents were told she was mid dying and they wouldn’t cut their holiday short to come home to be with her.
@@lululiga333 I firmly believe both Lori & Alex were responsible for the older sisters death and Joseph Ryan’s death.
Lori had a sister who was diabetic. She was the mother of Melani (Brandon’s wife who at that time was just a little girl). Supposedly When Lori’s sister “wasn’t well”, Lori and her mother went off to Hawaii leaving her with her brother Alex. She died.
One of the Midwich Cuckoo women, Serena or maybe Zulema - said that Lori claimed to have crushed up ten tranquiliser pills and put them in Charles’s protein powder. Challenged about it later, Lori said, oh, it was only two pills - and shrugged it off.
By the time Alex died, the death of ANYBODY remotely connected to these two should have been investigated as a homicide.p by default.
@@SummerLuvr7 Yes me too. I think it all started long before Charles.
I guess no Botox in jail
Plus a very hard life. Constant wanting and needing and not getting and fighting.
For real…this is why a lot of people say not to ever start. If you happen to have to stop? Your face is so much worse. Fillers break down and Botox wears off. Have the courage to see the face God has in store for you. ❤😂.edit: being a good spirited person will land the lines in all the right “crinkle smile” places, anyhow. ❤
Ugh.
It's hard to hear Tammy's voice, on that phone call. 😢
Little would she know...
In Australia 🇦🇺 autopsies are automatic with exception to the elderly in Hospital, Care Homes, Hospice and diagnosis of terminal disease in all. The Coroner failed her duty of care in this instance.
The Coroner noticed lividity to be well and truly settled hours prior stating death occurred between midnight and 2am. To consult a Police Officer and Detective via telephone is simply not good enough. Shame on all associated with this debacle.
Hopefully with exhumation death can be determined and followed through with a diagnosis of murder.
Thankfully Chad failed to go down the path of cremation the one last saving grace.
RIP Tammy, JJ, Tylee and Charles and God knows who else.
Exhumation was performed and the diagnosis being strangulation and classified as ‘homicide’.
Should this Coroner still have the job? No wonder her demeanour is pitiful and yes one of being ashamed and rightfully so, a hard lesson to learn.
I can’t even fathom the pain all these families are enduring! Why are people so Evil!!!!! Why..
@Tina Gaffney The Bible says at 1st Peter 5:8 “ Keep your sense’s, be watchful! Because your adversary the Devil, walks about like a roaring lion, seeking to devour someone.”
I cant imagine loving a person so much that killing my children would make sense......and after all the people who died before them. I keep waiting to hear something, ANYTHING, that would help this make sense.....
Just to clarify: Peter 5 is telling you how to conduct YOURSELF.
It is not warning about other people, it is warning you about your own tendencies.
@@eh1702 Yes of course it was a warning to every follower of Christ on how to conduct themself.
The pain, and knowing some are also in serious denial even today. I am so thankful for JJ's grandparents who got the ball rolling with a welfare check. Had it not been for them, they might have gotten away with all the murders.
Evil pure evil
I’m confused, why would a dispatch officer not send an ambulance at the same time to Tammy… what if the the person calling saying she is clearly dead, is wrong, not of sound mind or a murdeter… I find it strange.. she could be alive but almost dead and by the time the police get there and if they had determined she had a pulse then called the ambulance, time wasted…it could then be to late.. I don’t like that system
Because they had said that she was cold and stiff. No need for an ambulance. And later determined she had been dead for a couple of hours
Veronica, yes I understand that but, but what if the person calling is not of sound mind, confused etc.. I still think an ambulance should automatically come as well..
Idk why Chad told ppl Lori was hot. Compared to Tammy, Lori looks worse than the ant under my shoe.
Tammy was very beautiful. It’s sad she lost her life.
And look closely Tammy's beauty was natural no make up smeared all over yes you are right
Hey, don't say nasty things about insects or any other living creature 😅🙏...
I am struggling with whether Justice really exists. J.J. suffocated with tape; Tylee chopped into pieces. Why the difference in killing? How can humanity know Justice when acts like that can occur?
Absolutely disgusting!!
so true Henry.
I will say that no worries because these 2 WILL see justice from the highest judge & will suffer unimaginably, unless they truly repent. That helps me to know ❤🙏🏻
Just a theory... JJ was to "come back as Colby's newborn,
@@jen1974ize 😮 wait where did you hear that? that makes sense
I feel its so wrong that the public r being denied video of this trial. This feels like the defendants have all the rights, not the victims.
Consider the relatives. The evidence photos have been absolute horror-movie stuff. One glimpse of those and they are on the internet forever.
There is also more potential to prejudice the Daybell trial. Especially given Lori’s histrionic tendencies - she would certainly play up to cameras.
The judge is right in not letting the accused make a circus out of it.
At least Lori Vallow has the Defense Lawyer she deserves. You can't scape Karma He is the worst.
You’d need to give him a break. He’s got very little to work with 😅 His voice kills me though. Horrible slow slurry and grating.
I know. He cannot even hear or he is sleeping. The 911 caller said corner and he heard coroner LOL. He sounds half asleep.
1st, I am blind so my hearing is greatly acute and I sweare he has nodded off or falling asleep many times. I do not like the manner he speaks to the witnesses at times very rude. Also, he needs to turn off his microphone when not speaking because he cannot whisper quietly and neither can she over the last couple of days he’s loud yawning which can be heard through the microphone is absolutely the rudest manner in a professional setting.
I really do not think the defense is doing a bad job. They have very little to work with. It IS their job. Mostly they concentrate on objecting to minor procedural details and incidental hearsay that really doesn’t matter. There’s not a lot else they can do but try to cast doubt on interpretations of witness or forensic evidence, and try to emphasise that witnesses aren’t 100% reliable.
I think they’re mostly demonstrating that they’re paying attention.
There’s another thing to bear in mind: their client is probably lying to them as well. (It makes it extremely difficult to prepare properly.)
Sometimes lawyers deliberately needle witnesses so that the witnesses become angry and seem overly biased or unreliable.
Am wondering if this “coroner” has gotten some extra training to spot BS when she sees it! Seems it would be better to have someone in that position who is experienced rather than elected! SUper frustrating to say the least!
Agreed.!!!!
Idaho has over 20% population saturation of Mormon faith and Rexburg is close to Idaho Falls, which has a high number of members.
The Mormon Faith like many other religions is very corrupt and there are a lot of followers who work in mainstream jobs. If they are told by the church, just as the Catholics do, to alter or cover something up, they are going to do it.
There's a lot of information out there about how very wrong, corrupt, evil on so many levels...the core of that organization is. Police, judges, forensics, etc etc etc. are practicing Mormons. The first and original member was a fraud and liar himself. There have been murders happening within that organization for many many years.
And then you have the good people who with full intentions, and there are many, want to live by the word of God and be a good person and raise good people. Every religion has a light and dark side, and I have to say...evil side.
The polarity of light and dark exists everywhere, even in in the presence of "god".
The objections from the defense mostly seem to consist of showing that they're paying attention to procedure.
lori n chad …empty nesters in hell. how horrific and evil monsters they are.
The night of the "paintball" gun, Lori said to someone that idiot cannot do anything right or by himself or something to that effect. That tells me she knew and was conspiring murder when she wasn't killed that night. Cannot wait to hear gulty.
The primary coroner's statements seem inconsistent. Although she was asked about any suspicious observations, she reported several things that were confusing and could be alarming. However, when questioned about whether she recorded Tammy's death as natural, she affirmed that she did. It would have been helpful if the State had questioned her about the discrepancy.
Yes, she definitely dropped the ball. But honestly, I think that challenging her (as justified as it is!) would only have resulted in muddying the waters. By all accounts the jury are diligently paying attention and scribbling in their notebooks. They can draw their own conclusions.
She was elected into that position. No medical knowledge. How many murders went through in that county without been reported.
Defence had a field day with the witness.
In that town anyone can literally run & get elected as coroner with little to no experience at all. This coroner was new on the job only a month & never having any experience other than she was an EMT previously. It’s utterly astounding that someone like this could hold such an important position. This likely lead to her dropping the ball in such a major way.
@@dementiadiaries I can see that it is hard for a small town or county to attract/support a well qualified and trained coroner. Yet it seems a well populated area. One more good reason to have this done at a higher level (several counties getting together, or at State level).
That way, a clear protocol can be set out that has legal force in itself: no ad hoc decisions like “Yeah, looks a bit weird, I haven’t seen this before, but let’s not bother with an autopsy this time.”
And that way, one sleep-deprived person does not have the full weight of making a decision on the spot.
The emergency operator gets the information that someone just 49 years old has just up and died at home: so they just open their book at “Sudden / unexplained / unattended death” and they notify the same people that they would for an apparent suicide/homicide (paramedics too, if someone isn’t cold and dead) and tell them it’s a SUUD. And they respond in the same way they would for an apparent homicide/suicide. So for one thing detectives also respond, and for another, an autopsy IS going to happen. And so on.
@@dementiadiaries Yes. The thread that runs through this whole region seems to be an amazing amount of deference and go-along-to-get-along. Poor Charles, the Woodwards, Colby and Tammy’s family & friends: these are the responsible people and they are the ones in agony.
And the suggestible, amoral ninnies and the lackadaisical public officials all seem to somehow float on into the future without feeling any awareness of their personal or professional responsibilities, even after all that happened!
The one person I could see who went from tolerating sinister nonsense to moral outrage is her sister Summer.
I think chad is a narcisist too and he was probably abusive to his first wife on some level like financial or manipulating.
Regarding Tammy and her "false" belief it was a "paintball gun". During the call to 911 says; nothing came out of the gun; I guess, if you think it's a paintball gun, you would think a "paintball" would come out of it, as opposed to bullets, which you wouldn't see. Did no one check if there was evidence of paint? As a police officer, if I did not see evidence of paint anywhere, I would not be convinced it was a paint ball gun....Perhaps Chad, knowing the actual plan of Alex shooting to kill her, convinced her it 'must' have been a paintball gun to discourage Police investigation, or so she wouldn't call the Police to begin with? I am a bit perplexed the little effort that went into this to begin with, was it because the situation was minimized by the statement that it was a paintball gun? Why did no one ask her how she knew it was a paintball gun, why was she so convinced that's what it was, I don't understand?
Chad's call to 911 night she died, sounds so fake! Throwing up in the toilet and coughing doesn't kill you, unless you been poisoned or ingested something seriously poisonous or severe allergic reaction to something!
Yep you’re right I guarantee Chad did that try to make it seem like it was just paintball and she’s crazy to think it was a real gun.
The power of denial is really huge. It is amazing when you encounter it. In fact I saw it in my mother - who was a nurse, the very person who explained the concept of denial to me as a teenager. There had been almost fisticuffs on her ward, one of the doctors chased down a corridor by a couple of furious guys.
A family around the bed had looked at the clipboard that in those days would be right there, and reading it aloud, they all realised the patient was terminal.
They were aggrieved and furious, and the patient hysterical from this being blurted out. In fact my mother had been present when the news was broken to this woman by the consultant, and had held her hand and literally given her a shoulder to cry on. The consultant had asked the patient about meeting the family to break it to them, and she had said she wanted to tell them herself. A day later she was giving every evidence of really not knowing, and having the news crash in on her for the first time.
30 years later, my mother was the one sitting with the consultant as he explained what my father already knew, and could feel, that he had a very short time to live.
Next day, as she was leaving the hospital, my mother commented to me and one of my sisters about booking a winter holiday. This was September. We were taking turns to sit with my dad at night, and the only question was whether he would have most of a week or less than a 24 hours left. It was very difficult for my dad, who had realised what was going on with her, and wanted to say goodbye.
We had to set up another meeting with the consultant next morning along with the other of my sisters who was also a nurse, to drive the news home. My father died the next evening.
People who grew up more in the TV than online age, we expect guns to go BANG, not pop.
I heard on this somewhere, that the police had come out 3 months later looking for casings. When the officer was asked if a blob of paint comes out of a paintball gun, he said he is not familiar with paint ball. But he said he didn't see any paint on Tammy.
@@BattleCreekSquirrelSquad you would think all the more reason to look closely at what happened here instead he says, I am not familiar with a paint ball. Why didn't call another officer or question it further, sounds lazy to me, couldn't be bothered!
The coroner should have been much more experienced because she ABSOLUTELY dropped ALL kinds of 🏈 🏀 ⚽️ ⚾️🎾🏐🏉🎱🤹🏽♂️
RIDICULOUS! 🙄😤
She should absolutely be embarrassed because, who knows, if she had done her job, perhaps it would have proved that something wasn’t right sooner! It wouldn’t have saved lives unfortunately, because…..
Charles died-7/11/19
Tylee died- 9/8/19 to 9/9/19
J.J. died- 9/22/19 to 9/23/19
Tammy died- 10/19/19
So, Tammy was the last to die! Regardless, she should be embarrassed as a coroner and if I lived in that County, I would definitely vote to remove her from that elected position!! 😤
The coroner system is ludicrous all across the country
Should be medical doctors who hold the position
Not an elected person who is guessing due to lack of knowledge
I absolutely agree, how is this young lady qualified to make huge decisions regarding people’s death. I felt a bit sorry for the young lady, she’s a bit like a little girl wearing her mommies high heel shoes, it’s not a fit. Makes you wonder how many more cases have gone straight to the cemetery when a more qualified opinion should be sought.
@@jenniferholden9397
I agree! Think about what would have happened if Tammy’s body had been cremated right away instead of buried after this incompetent coroner signed off on Tammy’s death certificate. If the coroner had signed off that the “manner of death” was natural instead of homicide, Chad and Lori could have had 1 less charge….meaning no Conspiracy to murder charge for Lori and no 1st degree murder charge for Chad! It makes me angry! 😤
I think Tammi was so innocent that she couldn’t imagine it was a real gun shot, so thought it a paint ball.
I wonder if she was told it was a paintball gun. Even a paint ball gun can kill you at close range.
@@kittymorris2989 I was wondering because I didn’t know a paint ball could kill.
Tammy didn't have a criminal mind..!!Thats why couldn't discern between a gunshot and a paintball shot
That’s a good point. If Chad was around (as an author he probably worked from home) then he probably would do everything possible to downplay it.
I agree with you. What I found odd was when she told the police that she thought the shooter could have been her son Garth based on the build of the shooter was similar to her son’s body type….WTH?!?
Why would you say that to the police?!? 🤷🏽♀️
Also, once again, the police dropped the ⚽️ ball when they didn’t look for gunshot holes, barely looked for any casings, or paint, if it was a paintball gun and then, even though she dies 10 days later, they don’t go back to the scene until 3 months later looking for bullet casings! Ridiculous! 😤
Creepy Grave Digger!!!
I don’t think Chad knew that a prison cell would be his “empty nest.” I pray the death penalty is on the table for Chad…. I hope Lori has to face it in Arizona….these three creature don’t belong on the planet.. I think Alex offed himself… I honestly do…
Yes. It was all part of the ‘grand plan’. Zulema should count her lucky stars. She would have been next.
There is a lot more to this than can be proved! Chads kids never dark? I believe they have been sucked in. Two melodies and Zulema aswell
I also wonder if Alex killed himself. Before he died he made the comment to his wife after the phone call that he believed he was being used as the scapegoat. I wonder if after that realizing he had been used in this disgusting plot if he felt so guilty he done something that caused his death.
Lori told her followers once that she had crushed up ten tranquillisers into Charles’s protein drink. Challenged later, she laughed it off and said it was only two. She of course would know whatever Alex’s preferences were.
I don’t know what to think about Alex’s death. The bodycam video where the police arrive to find Melani trespassing a second time at Brandon’s home is eerie. After quite some time the cops suddenly discover Alex has been sitting in his car there silently all along. The cop is clearly spooked, in fact admits he is - and Alex seems almost like an automaton, sitting totally still, staring straight ahead most of the time, talking in a monotone.
It is a very, very tense couple of minutes.
Together with the fact that Melani and some guy were seen by Brandon’s private detective disposing of children’s effects at random spots on the curb (apparently her children’s) it is very, very sinister. I believe Brandon was not just going to be shot. I think he was going to either “disappear” with the children or he was to be presented as a murderer-suicide.
Once Lori and Chad knew that Alex had been linked to Brandon as well as to Charles, he really did become a liability.
But people say he got on well with JJ. So maybe that was weighing on him, together with the job he’d been intended to do at Brandon’s.
Maybe he was realising that he’d given up a well paying job, he’d done most or all of the dirty work, he had no Hawaiian paradise, and either he or Zulema was probably next. Dealing with Tammy’s body had to be absolutely horrifying.
I think it would have shaken Daybell, the sheer physical awfulness of it, the stench and the sights. He looks smug in Hawaii. Alex on the other hand, in that bodycam, does look like a haunted man. Or one who has psyched himself up for something extreme.
I thought the coroner talked and acted like Melanie Gibb Shame!😊
Seems like the Coroner has a bit to.answer re Tammy's body based on description.
I hope the coroner is no longer the coroner 🤦♀️
This has NOTHING to do with outlandish religious beliefs. This is all about sex, money, and power. Because if religion played any role in these atrocities, a reasonable, and a logical mind might conclude that sometimes religion is just BAT SHIT CRAZY.
So many BLUNDERS from "professionals" that could have prevented the massive murderous spree. Wasnt it "odd" that the wife and brother in law had zero emotions that Charles was dead, even if it was truly self defense youd think it would still be a situation where emotions were high. Officers were enthralled by Lori, didnt listen to Charles, and bought the BS from Alex. Shameful
So sad to hear Tammy's voice! She had no idea Chad knew about the freak... aiming a paintball gun at her.
I really wonder what Chad's kids think about this whole thing now they know their mom was murdered
They were raised the priesthood holder is never to be questioned so no matter how much evidence their denying he could do such a thing Emma can't even agnolige he had a sexual affair only an emotional affair. And the oldest son said it eats at the soul abit, who talks like that? I'm sure Colby would like to blame only Chad and Alex too but he manned up and is dealing with it alone (except his wife) they have each other.
They’ve issued a joint statements, saying they believe their father is being framed.
@@therealz360z7 I thought I read that Colby and his wife separated. I truly hope not as he needs all the emotional support he can get. Prayers for him.
It’s been 3-4 years. I think I heard Colby made a new relationship and has a baby.
@@eh1702 it’s only been 2 yrs.
Prosecutor:
"What are some of your duties as a Coroner?”
Coroner:
“I conduct investigations and I’m the one that certifies the cause of death and signs off on the death certificate.”
Me:
UGH!!! 🤦🏾♀️
Did she have bunches of 40 somethings die in her jurisdiction. Did they review any actuality tables in Vegas at her weeklong training?
If others have to be on broadcast live these cowards should too
Omg. The deputy coroner was pretty useless. I could have gone there with no schooling and had been more successful and connected the dots. Geez.
Exactly!
Hope the poison is discovered for all these mysterious deaths, if that is applicable.
Was there poison used?
@@iloveamerica53 I've been suspicious all along there is something that leaves the system, what is that, a short half-life? There are things that are undectable as yet. Clearly, it's to much to be coincidence, imo.
JJ had in his system some chemistry often associated with a roofie-type “date rape” drug - but the body itself can produce these. Because he had been buried so long, it isn’t possible to say whether it had a natural source or not.
One of those awful blonde women also blithely recounted to detectives how Lori had once said she ground up ten pills (?Tranquilisers?) and put them in Charles’s protein-drink powder.
Later on, this woman (Serena?) questioned Lori on it and she STILL admitted it, but this time said it was only a couple of pills.
So yeah, Tammy and Alex - definitely iffy.
@@ldolan4051 you would think it would be found on their computers under their searches....😮
@@astrialindah2773 Good point, but note how cunning she's tried to be, imo. That, she would figure out. She's not stupid as many criminals are not. You ever looked at the HINMAN FILES*, and all the unsolved cases? Thats a long hallway. They get away because they're not stupid. Scarier than the ones not so smart.
Quick note....don't have someone kill your kids...then act like you didn't know it's... bad look 😢 .
Dead people don't jump outta bed and hit their head, Chad! Death penalty is made for people like this!
OMG, it was Tammy’s COLLEAGUES who organised a memorial for her.
That’s cause they actually cared about Tammy , I’m sure she was lovely to work with 💕
Just her smile shows she’s so warm and lovely 💞
Starts at about 4:28 after LONG pause. 😩
Where is Melanie p seems to me she has lots of information why hasn't she been called
I had not realised that a neighbour also called the police after the shooting attempt on Tammy.
it was her son in law
It seems to me Tammy was badly let down by the Coroners office!!!
Looked at google maps and it seems pretty populated to do what they did to the kids. Poor Tammy and her family all the victims for getting sucked into Lori and Chads delusional ridiculous plan.
The fire pit is surrounded by cinderblocks big enough to sit on, and is not really overlooked from other homes. Or only from a couple of hundred yards. The houses are on fairly large lots - the Daybell home had several outbuildings.
The small tree where JJ was buried has a spreading canopy and stands at a point where there’s a little downward bank to the edge of the property, where JJ was buried. It’s not within plain view of any home.
It would have been easy to put some gardening and landscaping tools (& maybe some rocks and sacks of topsoil or cement) into a cart or wheelbarrow along with a small body - and look as though you were burning trash or doing a little landscaping.
Even 30 years ago, I found midwestern suburbia quite spooky, so deserted in the daytime. Nobody ever walks anywhere. They go from the kitchen to the garage, get in the car, open the garage door and drive down the road.
Indoors, they do not sit looking out of their back windows, they look at screens. People only seem to go into their yards at specific moments - cut the lawn, toilet the dog or barbecue. Otherwise there’s nobody.
The defense attorney seems to have nothing ! He isn’t even cross examining the witnesses.
Good day, I would like to get more info on the judge and 7:53 prosecuting team. Pictures, background etc. They're doing a sterling job. A bit more info and background on the defence lawyers will also be insightful. Thank you.
I wonder did anyone take a sample of it, eg. the coroner? Wouldn't that have been helpful in determining what it was and why it was there? Oh, no, Chad probably & absolutely would not have agreed to that if anyone asked for it. Also, how did he know she had low blood pressure if she never went to the Dr? Chad is such a liar!
Chad didn't care AT ALL about his children suffering the sudden loss of their mother. What an awful person. I hope they come to their senses. It's very difficult to accept betrayal, especially from your only parent.
Sorry but killing kids and your mother I couldn’t stand by him dad or not x
I totally agree. It also has a lot to do with their weird religious upbringing, and how it continues to play a huge part in their support for Chad, who they believe is gifted with godly powers, and who can do no wrong.
@@alicesmith6750 brainwashed from birth
Did anybody ask if the email from Charles was opened? It was archived and blocked but was it opened?!
Tramadol is a strong pain killer which causes dizziness, at times falling, sleepiness, shallow breathing, sometimes weakness in the limbs. It is very dangerous to be taken with anti depressants even the natural choice if St. John's Wort.
If Chad knew any of this, he would continue to let her take both medications at the same time making her more and more sick and weaker. With no doctor to check her blood work and the stages her system was going into, her deterioration would go undetected. I would like to know which doctor Rxed the Tramadol and if it was ever investigated.
Eventually, the Tramadol and anti depression medication would cause vomitting, weakness, also weakness in breathing, unable to eat and irregular heart beats. Chad no doubt used her weakest moment to smother her to death and she wouldn't have much power to fight him off.
Not only are you absolutely right but after a corpse decomposes, it is IMPOSSIBLE to test for all these drugs as they degrade so quickly, especially after burial! Thousands of people are poisoned & yet are listed as natural deaths. The POLICE often have to triage choosing the best cases to prosecute & which deaths to autopsy because of budget constraints. POLICE really messed up linking all these murders together ACROSS STATES, which is very common. Many killers cross states knowing their murders wont be linked easily. And the best they can do now is conspiracy charges against Lori, WITHOUT A SINGLE WITNESS! Think about it, LORI killed every single witness EXCEPT CHAD. Im truly surprised LORI or CHAD havent flipped & ratted on one another, but maybe they know if they remain silent, they avoid the death penalty & may escape conviction. So far, I have not seen a single hard piece of evidence linking either of them to their crimes. Even Tammy's death is debatable, ruled natural then a murder leaves room for JURY DOUBT! They may both escape conviction & walk free!
I've never felt a thing
from Tramadol. It doesn't help pain for me at all.
@@deesudduth5821 It's not the same for everyone though.Just like the meds I was ón after surgery. My mother had different response but that is speculation obviously.
It seems almost as though 2 different people handled the bodies of the children, one buried with care and the other one not. Makes me wonder if Alex killed JJ and someone else killed his sister.
With Tylee, they found out that cremation is a far different affair from just tossing gasoline on someone and setting it alight. They were completely inept at it. They had to eventually hack her apart with a pickaxe and bury the remains.
By the time of JJ’s death, they understood that cremation away from the gas jets of a crematorium actually takes many hours and a great deal of fuel. It was simply easier to bury the little boy. The tree sits on a sudden little dropoff from the level of mist of the yard, and it provides a canopy - so a hole could be prepared there without being noticed, or the digger could just claim to be landscaping. And JJ could easily be taken there in a way that disguised the shape of his body - in a garden cart or wheelbarrow along with some tools and maybe sacks of topsoil, rocks or cement.
Chad is a liar U have to be diagnosed with low blood pressure I have it and no dizziness no fainting I also take tramedal 50 mil twice a day no one give it for a sprain
IF TRAMADOL is MIX with ANTI-DEPRESSANTS it CAUSES ALL OF TAMMY'S SYMPTOMS!!!
Symptoms include high blood pressure, fast heart rate; high body temperature, agitation, increased reflexes, tremor, sweating, dilated pupils, diarrhea, seizures and extensive muscle breakdown.=Serotonin syndrome-WIKI
Well his fake crying on the phone was enough to throw off the coroner evidently. His grieving patheticness....He is such a monotone weak speaker. Like the blessing he gave Alex. I picture him like a jellyfish just bobbing in the water. Could he sound any less convincing with anything he says?? i doubt itd. I find it hard to picture him speaking at a conference...must have been soooooo boring
The defense is doing a pitiful job of turning this all on Chad, which should be their main strategy. They needed to have her sister speak for the victim and establish the historical control and abuse, both emotional neglect and financial manipulation, as well as the power imbalance in this marriage. However, apparently this is the nature of this religious culture, and most religions, which ascribe to these misogynist beliefs and subjugates women, therefore it may not be a useful revelation to this jury.
Thank goodness that this lady is cross questioning the Defence. The Defence team are horrible with no empathy for the victims. Lori deserves this team.👹
Guess he didn't want guest over at his home 🙄so he had funeral elsewhere
I feel so much empathy for Tammy's sister and parents...justbto be shunned by Chad( peter griffin).
Peter Griffin minus the spine and loud mouth...lol got the butt chin though
I find it odd that Tammy would report to the police who arrived when she called and reported that someone had shot at her, that she would say she thought it could have been her son Garth because the shooter and her son had the same build. That statement seems really odd to me…..like why would she think that, let alone report that to the police?!? 🤔
If carboy really was a profit wouldn't he have seen prison??
My good friend had undiagnosed DID, but it gets obvious when she is having a heated argument with herself 😮. She called her other one "cousin IT, because of the terrible mood.... She was always told PTSD from her husband dying on her arms 😢 she never Lost sight of right and wrong though.....
Why did Kay comment Charles obituary that they were going to take care of JJ
Because they had not found the children dead or that they were even missing then,. Because they weren t. It was after charles died that Lori up and left with the kids.
If Tammy liked to hang her leg out of the bed, and that was the reason she “fell out of bed”, then the lividity should have been disproportionately in that leg.
Lividity…on the backside…but not the legs? If the backs of thighs, heels & calves didn’t also have lividity, Tammy’s heart must already have stopped when her legs were up on the bed (after she “fainted”) not while she was lying flat.
If there was not an amount of lividity ALL around the foot & ankle of her “dangling leg”, then she cannot have been sleeping with her leg dangling.
Then how did her body “fall” onto the floor?
@@eh1702 I know, dead bodies do not move on their own........😮
Tammy couldn't have fallen out of bed. She was already dead and as the guy said, the dead body doesn't move itself. 911 was called at 5:45 because Chad "felt Tammy move and fall out of bed and discovered she was dead with pink foam". He was clear when he said she was stiff and cold. That stage of rigor mortis is only present 8 hours after death. Pooling of the blood happens immediately as the heart stops pumping. It's present but not noticable as it would be 2 hrs later after death when a good portion of the blood has settled and cause dark patches to appear.
At 5:45, Chad said Tammy attempted to get up , got her feet stuck in the blankets and fell top half out of bed. He supposedly called 911 right away.
There is no way that stage of rigor mortis would be present in that short of time and the pooling of the blood would not be dark patches at that early stage. The "professionals failed to do their job for that case on top of the others. They didn't even test the foam. They didn't check to see if she had broken veins in her eyes, narcotics in her system or maybe they checked for narcotics but there was so much more they overlooked. They should be let go from their job.
@@mellowyellow2022 Right. These coroners really dropped the ball. But then, what kind of 911 system is set up so that everything the caller says in the phone is treated as gospel? And everything the “informants” on the spot say is treated as reliable just because they are relatives? Even when the thought of foul play occurred, when the assistant coroner says she looked up poisons - she then ignored her own hunch!
I was amazed at the casualness and lack of scientific rigor and lack if objectiveness of both of them.
Nobody cares if the coroner felt the son was genuine and the father had flat affect: what matters is that they ignored obvious factual contradictions, like the one you pointed out.
It is as if loads of the people involved here never learned basic reasoning skills.
It’s downright spooky!
@@mellowyellow2022 I know.... it's 😧
This defence liar is really boring
A gun with a silencer looks a lot like a paintball gun to the untrained eye at dusk. When police searched Lori’s apartment on 26 Nov 2019 (after she didn’t answer the welfare check knock the day before) they found guns, ammo, and silencers. Brandon Boudreaux also said that the rifle fired at him had a silencer mounted. IMHO, the “paintball gun” incident was Alex with the rifle+silencer. For some reason he either missed or deliberately mis-aimed. This was also the same day Zulema overheard the Lori end of a heated phone call between Lori and Alex, which ended with Lori muttering “Idiot.. can’t do anything right”.
Not to mention the receipt the police found in the Jeep that places Alex down in AZ the same day that Brandon was shot at. Apparently he would get an appetite after he murdered or attempted to murder someone. That receipt they found was for Chicl Fil-A. If this Jury doesnt convict this crazy murderous witch I will be sooooooo disappointed
Tammy sounds like a kind, helpful, good, loving, and intelligent woman! I imagine she she was very strong, also. It is infuriating that's Chad(🐸) won the heart of this good woman. He makes me as sick as Lori 🐍does!
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I see where this is going, it's all Chad's fault and poor Lori was reeled in, innocent that she was.
That's what I was saying. The prosecution have to reinforce the wrong that Lori played in this vicious circle. It's like she's not even there but this is Chad's trial instead.🤦🤦
@@mellowyellow2022 Yes, I'm very concerned about that. She's no innocent.
It always amazes me when watching/listening to testimony in trials, how much witnesses interrupt and/or talk over the attorneys asking them questions. I get people can be nervous, but even after warned time and time again, they still do it. When Tammy’s sister was testifying she kept speaking over the attorney and when the judge is telling her to stop doing it, she cuts him off mid sentence! 🤦🏾♀️ I think it caught the judge off guard when she did it to him while he was trying to tell her not to interrupt, because he chuckles and then continues what he was trying to say. (35:46) Granted, it does take the defense attorney, Archiebald, forever to get his sentences out! 🙄🥱😵💫
It just amazes me how many people interrupt and cut off people, not realizing how it can be perceived as rude. Just saying! 🤷🏽♀️
Honey these people have suffered the loss of a loved one and betrayal and you talking about some damn proper etiquette you just another weirdo
in Tammys sisters case i can see why she was like that. Im sure she hates Lori and there she is in the same room with her, having to look at her...probably wanting to scream at her, talking to someone who is defending her and reliving all this testimony. BUt i agree....it seems to be common for some of these people to cut them off in mid sentence