Kazuya was my first character that I actually learned inside & out. So I owned & played every tekken since Tekken 2. However I didn’t know the depths of the game until the 6th installment. From tekken 2 to 5, I was younger & didn’t even know about juggling & combos outside of the 10 hit combo. I knew the concept of punishing but didn’t know the term for it, I just simply knew how to block & attack back lol. But Tekken 6 was a year that I was a bit older & actually sat down & learned the command list. They had the sample combos at the bottom of the list of course & that was back when you couldn’t see the inputs for the sample juggles so you had to know the moves by memory. Tekken 6 also started the juggle off the ground animation which is when combos really started to get insane. I picked Kazuya because I have memories going back as far as I can remember, as being a little kid & always losing to a guy with black hair, a red eye, lightning kicks, & a spinning lightning uppercut. So jump years later when I sat down & learned Kazuya, I realized that Kazuya was the character I have strong strong memories of. (My memories are also mixed with Jin from tekken 3 since he resembles kazuya a lot & literally still does the Mishima-style karate.) & MainMan I’ve been watching you since Tekken 6 man. Lol. I wanted to get better at kazuya & TH-cam was already going strong at the time so I looked into it & there I found you. Teaching me about EWGF. Now we’re both fathers... playing tekken still to this day👌🏼💯🔥
Sheer determination was my experience. No understanding of frames etc when I picked him up in TTT2 since childhood T3. Win rate was around 32% iirc. ALOT of asswhoopins. But. When it clicks and you engage brain, the feeling and reward for your efforts is like the gift that keeps on giving. Nothing really to add, great analogy and breakdown. 1st thing said defo the most important thing to consider. "How serious are you about Tekken?" - cuts straight to the meat of the subject 👌
Just noticed that I forgot to reply to your old comment a few weeks ago when I asked you how you were doing and you replied. Sorry bud! I've not been too great, some personal problems but life goes on! Otherwise I'm ok. From what I know I'm healthy at least haha. And to your comment, I 100% agree. I personally picked up Steve as my first character (I used others in Tekkens before he got introduced obviously, but Steve was the first serious one) and I didn't even know he was one of the hardest characters in the game. It's no surprise that him and Kaz have amongst the lowest win rates online, because as a beginner and intermediate they are just hard as fuck to play, as TMM explained pretty well. I got my ass whopped a LOT (and still do) but due to Steve being my first, it made me learn proper Tekken. There was no easy mode with him. Just like Kazuya Steve works a lot with timing, so knowing the matchups is vital for success, since you need to know when and where to place your counter hits. But I love the challenge and never gave up. I fell many, many times, but always got up and improved. And I don't regret picking up Steve for a second. It is really a matter of how serious you want to get into Tekken, or how much effort you plan on putting into it. If you are ready to work your ass off, then Steve, Kazuya, Bryan are excellent picks. It feels very rewarding when your hard training finally pays off and you see some results. But if you want instant gratification, then those are not for you.
@@disruptor6550 Hey Nx Worries! Sorry to hear you've been thrown a few curveballs lately chief. Glad to hear your still grinding away at the o'l wheel of life amidst all the negative stuff going on in the world tho. Was gonna say 'Samsara' but we don't want people taking you for a filthy u4 panic mashing DVJ 😉 *Very aptly named move when you look into after losing a match to a high/low crush from it* 👍 Hat off for the Steve, took me a LONG time to appreciate him. My mate knows only too well I was probably more toxic than I'd like to admit in the matchup, needed ALOT patience than I gave credit for 😅 Lots of CHs were ate but he's now one of my favourite matches as most of his useful tools are -13 and -14 so great for FC pewgfs and otherwise, learning guard animations and timings. *holds hands up* Learning Bryan still has me scared. That feeling of when you find someone who almost never fails the tech catch, (whether you delay it or not) Ooft! Luckily I have a multi-char sparring buddy who picks up even Nina's butterfly cancels in just a few days and rarely drops them. It feels cheap to vs someone with that level of consistency but its one of those thing's where I dont think you can truly appreciate til you try it for yourself. I used to think it was a cheap wallcarry gimmick but now its the same with seeing b2 Lee combos, really just left in awe at the execution. So many characters have advanced levels that you can't 'just pick up' without having some grit in you to persevere. It really is testament to how diverse the roster is. Characters that are played in completely unique fashions while still having flexibility. Recently been learning Kuni from Fergus' vids and it's amazing how much love they put into animating a character that never even made the cut for T7. Such a fun and fluid character tho I think she's lacking alot of portable moves that can animate the Corkscrew so will probably need a hefty redesign to bring her up to date - time will tell.
@@malk2good indeed. I was meaning with regard to playing Tekken when you were barely into double digits as a kid (prior to the internet) VS rediscovering the game 15 or so years later and learning how to play the game and using online content like TMM to get up to speed. While growing up we used a TV show in the UK called 'Gamesville' - with a segment called 'Ask the games guru' (was for old style cheat codes and stuff like that etc.). I used to watch hoping someone wrote in asking just the hell '⭐' meant. It was always in the manuals of the PS1 Tekkens but it never explained what it meant... Anywhere. Was the first thing the 20 yr old me looked up when I learnt Tekken had survived all these years I'd been away. Truly a face slap moment but I was just a kid and to me it was a hidden move. I'd still never have learnt unless the internet was a thing. Imagine loving Kazuya and never knowing how to EWGF or HS 😅👍 But from total bambi to where I am now a few years later. Plenty of online humility along the way ofc but once you find the value in that, your pretty much there mentally to stick it with your chosen character whoever you pick and whatever your skill lvl.
@@CallousCyclone You absolutely nailed it there mate. As you mentioned, things like Nina's butterfly cancels/combos, Lee's b2, etc (insert any similar stuff here)... you just tend to not appreciate those that much, until you eventually try it yourself. It's really easy to label someone or something as gimmicky or cheap if you only look at it from the outside. But many things that look easy, and often piss you off online, gain your respect after you try them out yourself. I'm not a Nina player (never was, and never will be) but I was curious about those fancy combos of hers and I couldn't pull them off for the life of me, even after some practice (I mean, I managed to pull them off, but the success rate was ridiculously low). Maybe it's because my execution is far from insane in general; it's probably average, but I'm definitely not terrible and not the only one who just can't pick those things up in an instant. After trying things like these out, I appreciate and respect them whenever I see people pull it off against me online or during matches I watch, because I know that they are by far not as easy at they seem to be. I wish more people had such a mindset and went out of their comfort zone to try these things out instead of judging them without even having a single minute of experience with it. I'm really tired of people calling characters like Steve or Kazuya easy, cheap, braindead, when they haven't even played them for a minute. Because if they did, they would take those words back easily. They probably lost to them online and now think they know the character. People just need to get out of their shells and discover the variety of the whole roster. Instead of being toxic, we need to learn to appreciate and respect each other, in order to create the best possible fighting game community ever :)
I just started playing T7 and I really like Kazuya. I feel like I am learning way faster. The fact that he really only has 10 moves is less intimidating as a noob and lets me focus on actual game plans and reading the opponent.
Jin is the best character to learn the game with. He requires some execution so if you're serious about him spend a day or 3 to master the electric, kbdc, and learn some combos and spend another half day watching pros how they play the character. Jin is great for newbies who really are determined to learn because he has all the tools needed
So true unlike kazuya he has good pokes which is a basic tool to master, whilst having pseudo electric for heavy punishment. Basically a whole package. Oh yeah and a stance for mixups as well
He's the easiest mishima to start with to get a good fundamental foundation of how the game works. But will get extremely harder the further you excell. Whereas Devil Jin it gets easier once your execution and fundamental are solid. Heihachi is just all round hard due to no great lows to enforce mixups and rely mainly on frame pressure traps.
I think heihachi is best beginner Mishima because well good no of ch launchers best pokes of any Mishima a 12 frame panic move (same with Jin ) stance utility that isn't demanding as b3 f 1 microdash with Jin and I believe Jin is good for same reason to start Kazuya is definitely better once you have hang of Mishima playstyle and honestly the king of punishment especially the devil adds flaiz to kazuya
Nice to hear Shaheen being recommended, he’s definitely a good character to learn the game with. You can focus on the matchup and not on a gigantic movelist. Having a fast slide takes some execution as well if you’re in to that.
I recently added Kazuya to my roster, which consisted of Jin and Eddy. Now I feel like Kazuya is basically Jin-supercut, and feels extremely simple to me. With Kazuya you use like 10 moves, while in order to get results with Jin you pretty much have to utilize ~25 highly situational moves. I enjoy Kazuya a lot, but he is far from Jin in terms of being hard to get into. But at the same time, you can only win with Kazuya by playing the correct way, while Jin has some bullshit you can cheese people with to some degree, but it tops out much sooner than on bullshit-focused characters, and then you have to start playing correctly.
I agree that Jin seems harder at first, I think Kazuya can be a bit harder for matches against people who know what they’re doing because they know how limited his moveset is and plan accordingly. You have to think more about what move to use with Jin but the timing is a lot more forgiving
@@bisquits8175 Eliza is a very hard to play character that requires a lot of execution that even if you master she is one of the weakest characters in the game. That's the Eliza story basically. Which is sad since I love that character so much.
Eliza is a good character, is not easy and this makes her funny to play, l still have hard time to do her combos, only because 2D stuff are very technical, but in tekken revolution for example, she was super easy to play.
Kazuya is a very technical character. Very hard to master. Its true what TMM said, if you Lab Kazuya, you don't lab him, you lab the opponent/dummy that you will chose to practice. Frame data is extremely important to Kazuya because he needs to maximize whiff and block punishes. Once you get good at Kazuya, he for me is the most satisfying and rewarding character in the game.
I think every beginner should give Jin a try His tools are very encouraging at beginner level ~Safe rage art that no one ducks in beginner ~Rage drive that does more damage than his rage art(basically) ~B 2,1 does wonders at beginner level ~Bread and butter is easy and does decent damage (can be done from majority of launchers) ~Very compatible with intermediate and higher level of play so you don't have to change character ~Permenant Character ~Up back 3 panic move ~Combo potential so you'll not get bored of doing same combo over and over not to mention stylish ~Electric is an option but not a necessity ~general poking is solid ~Launching Hell Sweep ~ He is the protagonist for god sake So yeah give him a try
I main garen in league and just switched to TEKKEN and I find kazuya is a lot like garen in the fact that he does a lot of damage but doesn’t have a lot of tools for outplay so you need to just be better at the match up and I love it. So much fun, every win is just you countering
I have played law my whole life and when my brother and I battled, he always had a significant lead. I am pretty good with law, but I decided to switch things up a bit. I changed to Kazuya for 2 days and something clicked. He is my new main for now and I love him. I battled my brother today, and won for the first time. I will definitely be watching tmm’s Kazuya tutorial vids more now!! TMM, if you see this, thank you for being a huge inspiration to me, and everyone else here!! Keep doing what you are doing!! :)
@@SonataNoKami little update lmao. I played Kazuya for a little while (around 3-4 months). Was doing well until I saw a video of heihachi gameplay and was instantly hooked. I still use the old bastard to this day and I reached raijin with him now. My brother stands no chance 👌👌
This was my exact path lmao. I played Law then played Kazuya and something just clicked. It gets painful though but forces me to think about fundamentals and match ups.
I don’t mind the difficulty of Kazuya, it is frustrating how bad his b1,2 can be against some characters when trying to punish though. I wish it had more consistency like dvj or kings version of b1,2
I know your not gonna see this but thank you for the truthful insight and being blunt I won't rage or quit anymore and ive found my patients im striving to be like you with kazuya
Awesome video my brother and picture perfect breakdown of Kazuya, Tekken overall, Time demands, Pros and Cons, thought and training process etc I love the shout out to Bryan as well for being so difficult to master. That's MY guy and has always been my Secondary character. The passion for something can completely over shadow the hardship in many cases. I never saw Bryan as difficult to learn for years, but as people who asked me for advice that were losing started to approach me, I started to understand views I never thought about. While it felt natural for me to pick him up, actually explaining his game plan in comparison to other characters made me realize how hard he had it. Me loving him and enjoying him so much made me not feel the struggle at all. However, the more you understand, the easier it is to see the struggle haha. Makes me love em even more though because it makes you respect great Bryan players for the work they had to put in. Great video once again my man. Keep up the great work.
I’ve finally got into yellow ranks after switching to arcade stick. I also think it’s important to add that since some of the harder characters require mastery of execution maybe playing pad will hold you back considerably when playing Mishima characters
@@kinghadu9611 it's all preference honestly. Hit box is great for consistent clean inputs, and side steps. But for me I find my movement is 10 times better on stick. Both are great controllers tho 100%
I know this might sound weird but I like to play Kaz to chill out, because of his simple gameplan and only having 5 moves. Even more so if you are not worried about ranking up. Also If you want to have the right to shout MASKU then yes go with Kazuya.
Same man I'm a Hwo main and he has so many ways to approach a situation and I'm always thinking a lot during a match, and I play Kazuya because his gameplan is very simple and very satisfying to play as well especially when you nail your opponent with a 3x EWGF
@@lifealpha come back to ranked once you are feeling more confident. (hopefully no longer stressing you, which is important) trust me it's worth it. I did the same with AK. Now I have almost 1100 ranked wins.
Thank you I've started with Kazuya because at first he was the first than I meet in 1996 when I had the first Tekken on PS1. I've played him in these years of explore, after came the two and I could play him as secret boss, he were cool but I think I was for the Tekken two a versatile player, I 've enjoyed most of all the carachters in the second opus. After came the Three, it was awesome with Jin players, Eddy, Bryan ... but Kaz. wasn't there. That 's most of my memories, my youthness and all the things that goes with it. I've played the four but from this one I've starded to interest for other things. And so I'm back to Tekken 7 maybe 20 years after this, so of course I started to play Kazuya, after more than 1180 wins I'm still Juggernaut , You gave the answer, I have to left him now and using another carachter, the step is difficult to admit but I have to do it and I swear i'll be back to him later. Thanks for what you're doing for the Tekken communauty.
Came from Street Fighter in 2018, no prior Tekken experience but always told myself if I ever tried it I'd play Kazuya. It's now 2020 and I've only played as Kaz until recently. Stayed in Green for a long time, floated in yellow for most of last year, and now I'm finally in orange. Some days I'm really "on" and can even hold my own(or straight up beat) players in red and above, while days that I'm sloppy or compromised has me falling into flowchart/yellow rank habits. It's a constant struggle, but learning this game with Kazuya has been a real joy, because every inch of progress feels earned, tooth and nail. I might not be the best Kazuya at 2 years in, but I'm really satisfied with the progress I've made up til now, especially since I feel like I'm at another plateau that's just waiting to be demolished by some new revelation or bout of training.
My first main in tekken 7(I haven't played any tekken games before) was Kazuya.I actually learned quite a bit of movement from my time maining him due to Mishima playstyle. Now I'm a Jin main and I'm really glad I had mained Kazuya because now I'm pretty good at movement making me playing SOLID with any character I tried. Anyways, what I want to say is that I recommend mishima's to beginners because you'll learn fundamentals quickly but be warned...get ready to lose A LOT.
It was a hard journey. I could of followed everyone's advice and picked Kazumi or Shaheen but I stuck it out. I play 12 characters all because I was able to learn fundamentals, remember which moves were punishable by 112 or twin pistons so that made learning frame data easier. Definitely worth it oppose to paying to win with some of the DLCs we have nowadays
Been playing kaz for about two games(on and off) he’s all about fundamentals, he’s offensive is easy to anticipate and he has clear weaknesses. 80% of he’s moves are complete garbage but he does have really strong block punishment and juggle damage hidden by behind a huge execution barrier and I frames input.
I purchased tekken a month or so ago, I’ve decided to main kazuya and I’m loving it so much. Been learning a few combos, wavedash, ewgf, hs, hl I love all his moves and his aesthetic. I’m glad I found tekken and kazuya
I play Marduk because the lack of panic moves, and the fact that I always give my turn up on block forces me to get better with my movement and blocking skills. Once I get better at execution I plan on switching to Kazuya. This is all great advice, thanks!
I used to play very casual Tekken with friends since Tekken 2, i played Paul the whole time. then Tekken 7 came and i really wanted to learn yo play the game and i started with Kaz, never regret it, i started losing all the time but now after all the time i can play a properly Kaz, It helped me to learn other characters too and how the game works. TOTALLY WORTH IT
I'd say jin and kazuya are the same difficulty, but jin just gives you more of a reward once you cross that barrier also idk if ling and yoshi are good in beginner ranks, they can confuse the enemy but since everyone is just mashing, it's gonna be pretty even the characters who steamroll at the beginning are string characters and power characters
Jin being less difficult in lower ranks would come from having strong pokes like df1 b21 d4 f4 f3 and good pressure on block strings while having an easy 15f launcher in d3+4, a launching hellsweep and being all round in general with great block punishment and whiff punishment but obviously his execution is nearly or just as hard as Kazuya, just that he has a complete kit of fundamental tools to use where kaz does not.
Jin's difficulty is so overrated. Yeah hes harder than your average character but he doesnt come in the same tier as bryan, kaz or the other mishimas. He just has too many good tools and a lot of stuff that helps him in lower ranks. Mastering his parry or his optimal combos is whats hardest but you can do so well without them.
I first started Tekken 6 and my first character was Devil Jin. It was hard at first, and I got to slowly learn the matchups and how to do his mix-ups gradually. Wave Dash was one of the hardest to master during that time. And beginner me was just spamming df2 or uf4 as launchers. Then I tried Kazuya for one and it was hardest than Devil Jin. The mix-ups of Kazuya was harder to execute considering the frames, and the amount of times you will spend to know the matchups and timings will eventually pay off in the long run.
I started with Akuma and picked up Jin for other matchups, they're both really hard, but I also think they're really fun to play and I've been enjoying the game 7 months in.
Exactly why I started picking up Kazuya (I'm a Gigas main at heart), like what TMM said, damn dude is really gonna force you to learn matchup, punishments, basically the fundamentals of T7. Just a week playing Kazuya (mostly losses lmao) helped me a lot with my Gigas, wished you can wavedash with Gigas lol, but everything else is a plus for my main.
Gigas wavedashing at you is just a horrifying image. Shout out to you for being one of the few Gigas players though. I've only fought one deidacted gigas player before.
All I needed to know. I don't care how many times I lose, I love Tekken and I love Kazuya. I grew up playing Tekken 6 as an Alisa player and ever since Kazuya dropped in smash I recognized him immediately. I absolutely adored him in smash and it inspired me to play Tekken again and learn Kaz. Alisa/Kazuya are my characters and I will press on and learn the game with them no matter how many ass kickings it takes for me to master them and master the game.
well what i did is from tekken 6 first learned law but all i did was spam then went to lee (also spam) then went to lars then created an easy staple combo but switched to kazuya to learn execution properly but went on to learn other mishimas like heihachi because i got used to it for 2 years i think then went on to tekken 7 maining kazuya still but switched on to devil jin because i thought that he was easier to control after you learn proper execution and has better 50/50 all in all just get used to it no matter what character it is it depends on the player
Agreed. In low or even mid ranks, Kazuya was the easiest opponent for my Lee. Generally, their attacks were straightforward and defenses were weak under jab pressure. But I do respect these players taking a harsh route instead of braindead characters such as Noctis.
I've been playing Tekken since the first part. And since the first part I play Kazuya; but not aggressively online and competitively. The character is, in relation to other characters, very focused and - I always say - limited in its possibilities compared to other characters. If you want to play Kazuya, you have to learn how to block first. There are a couple of tricks you can use that make the gameplay super fun. I'm currently playing my way up the Treasure fight for the second time and enjoying it. With Kazuya you have to let the opponent come, at least I always do best with that tactic. Whether I could and would play a real tournament with him I don't know. I only know that it is worthwhile to deal with the character. What also helped me was to play Kazuya repeatedly from the beginning, from T1 to T7, to get a better feeling for speed and moveset. I don't understand any of the tournament talk ☺️ but yes, Kazuya is difficult, quite ponderous and certainly not the best choice for beginners. I love him.
I just got tekken 7 a couple days ago. Used to play tekken 4 as a kid and Kazuya and Hwoarang were my favorite. I played a couple ranked matches and went 4-3 with him using the basics I learned from a guide, even if I only understood half of it. He does feel really difficult but I hope to keep getting better
I would say a good character for beginners who wants to learn fundamentals would be jack... at the very least, jack has brain-dead execution minus the ONE combo (tho it can somehow be replaced with db 2 except for tip range). So you can focus your mind solely on the fundamentals. And what's better, jack doesnt have any panic move so Jack strictly requires good fundamentals which forces the player to be actually good in tekken
So true, I picked Kazumi as my second character and I'm still stuck in light blue rank with 150 wins, always about to reach green ranks but I have to face a toxic Hwoarang, Dragonuv, Shaheen or Noctis...
To those who play this game competitively I salute you. I play the game for the story honestly and well because honestly it’s probably the most insane fighting game I’ve played 😂😂. I don’t care if mash bro the characters the game the music it’s all just iconic 🤌🏾
Been casually playing Kazuya since T2 (played a lotta Jin in T3 and didn't touch T4), imagine me finally reaching a point where I can sorta land electrics near the end of Tag 2. Still enjoy playing Kazuya, but unfortunately I always gravitate towards characters with a low execution bar (cuz I prefer focusing on the game than the character) over the more complex ones. So he's just there for me to play when I wanna fuck around.
Ever since I got psp years ago, I got hooked onto tekken 6 that time, I've always really liked playing Kazuya. Just a bit sad my dad had to sell the psp since we weren't really that well off in life that time. But 2yrs ago I got an old Nokia phone that was able to emulate some games so I started learning Kazuya and Jin, I've made a bit of progress with both of them though sadly I'm still nowhere decent enough especially with kaz :')
Kaz has had some godsend tools given to him this game. In Tag 2 he had strong combo damage but no pokes and his oki game was very lackluster since you had to get very close to get stomp. You're in much better hands getting at him as a know nothing in this game compared to T6 or Tag 2. I was a 52%-55% player from T6 to the first few years of T7, but in the past 2 years I spiked into 65%-70% win rate now that I've seen all the gimmicks and conditioned myself to let the button pushers destroy themselves with the gimmicks until they stop pressing buttons, and to not let myself get sucked into them. And now, with all the tools he's got this game, you can actually press your advantage when you get it. Only took 12 years lol
I absolutely love this character strictly for the nostalgia and memories he brings , my brother had a PS1 and I used to beg him to play tekken 3 every day and lose every day, he used to play with Kazuya and I’d play with Jin I would love seeing the electrics and heelsweeps. Fast forward through T4,T5 and T6 ; tekken 7 is where I fell in love with the character again. Although recently I discovered that Devil Jin is basically tekken 3 Jin and I’m trying to addd him to the roster . I will forever love kazuya he teaches you how to play tekken the hard way and I’ll always remember that
As a Kazuya newbie. I've been playing online and been losing a lot but it really doesn't bother me. I really don't mind losing a lot especially to good players as I learn a lot lol.
What a nice answer TMM. Just today I was thinking what would I answer to a question of what hero is recommended for beginners. Indeed the hardest characters are the greatest if you really want to learn. I am so happy I chose Bryan and Armor King as mains. Just badass characters.
I got the game 6 months ago and started with Devil Jin because he is goddamn awesome and it took me 3 months to get a reliable electric. Im a masochist and I like the fact that time and effort is required in order to be successful with the Mishima boys.
Tekken Tag 1 my first fighting game ever. I spammed kicks to get through fights on low difficulties as every character to get all the endings until I realized the practice mode. It was there I decided Kazuya would be the first character I want to learn how to actually play because he had the best goddamn drip in that shiny purple tux. when I found out how to use those advanced Mishima command inputs and some combos, that was when I realized what made fighting games as a whole so enjoyable and I've been hooked on the genre since. Tekken of course being my most played mostly for Kazuya because he made me bisexual. As difficult as he is to play, I've simply gotten used to his playstyle and simply don't enjoy playing the actual "beginner friendly" characters so I'll take those Ls because he actually makes you learn every other character in the game anyway when you need to analyze the other player arguably more than with any other character and go for outplays.
I started Tekken playing the Mishimas because they were the main characters but over time I went from just playing Mishimas as a personal preference to playing them for real (I would say around the time of Tekken 5, although I had a long way to go to become a serious player in general).
i used to like playing mishimas and Jin the most but i think playing other charas like Lili, Eliza, and Noctis are more fun bc i can't do electrics consistently, i still love those guys though they're super cool villains
Been happening to me since the previous 8 months I've started playing Tekken as a beginner with kazuya But atleast have the basics down pretty good now
JDCR says mishima's wave dash game doesn't transfer over to other characters, and only gets you nasty habits when playing other characters. That's why he recommended playing a well rounded character like paul or Marshall, so you can learn everything about the game and have an easier time picking up the specialist characters later.
I actually think he has some great tools in his arsenal to crush other beginners or intermediates level players. His rage art is probably the thing that will work 99% of the time against beginners or intermediates and due to the damage done you will end most of the rounds with it if you are having issues. Kazuya is probably more difficult to use at higher levels, except when it's some crazy high level where people like Novi will crush everyone.
Let's just if you want to play Kazuya as a beginner, You basically playing a game at the hardest difficulty as possible, If you want a normal difficulty you can go play Shaheen,Dragunov,Jin,Kazumi,etc. Basically any all around fundamental character, If you want easy difficulty you can go play Katarina,Noctis,Negan,etc. any character that can win with 2 buttons There are more rewards though playing normal and hard difficulty like any games cuz you learn the game more.
Thanks for the vid bro. Huge kazuya fan and the vid did clear some things for me however I will continue. Managed to grab a brawler rank which as a casual is awesome for confidence. Keep up the good work
He's fun to play but hard to win with without substantial commitment. His poking options are limited, and his execution is very high. But nothing is more classic Tekken than his vortex game, and his 50/50 revolving around the Mishima staples: electric and hellsweep. You need good movement to succeed with him, and achieving consistency with the electric in real time situations takes a long, long, long fucking time. Total badass character, and maybe the "purest" character in the game.
Great answer ! I'm a gimicky Lei main with thousands of 50/50, best rank I reached is fujin, why ? because even me I don't understand what's going on when I face a Lei ... And I decided to start learning Kazuya. I thought it would be easy ... he doesn't use a lot of attacks, his game plan is always the same ... Huge mistake ... very high execution, eletrics, electrics while moving, wave dash, no hopkick, no good middle poke, no good low, 1 or 2 blockstuns. Now I went back to warrior 😫 and I realised that my tekken mindset is bullshit ! I need to stop focusing on winning and start focusing on learning the FUNDAMENTALS, the matchups, the punishements, the defense, I have some fundamentals but apparently it's not enough ... I won't give up ! And I'm sure that with Kazuya I'll be a better tekken player than I'am now, and I'll be proud of my victories, because with Kazuya, YOU VE GOT TO FUCKIN DESERVE IT 😂
Honestly, any character that doesn't have a ton of incredibly evasive or crushing bullshit is fairly honest for beginners. I'm looking at you Ling and Asuka.
I main jin but i pretty much play kazuya to limit my movelist and practice my fundamentals like movement, whiff punishes, spacing, and become a smarter player overall
One of my major flaws is I fucking hate losing in rank but no casual, that’s because in rank it’s all cheese I don’t learn anything from losing but on the other hand in casual people take it seriously and so do I and that allows me to learn from my loses
With the timing, Kazuya has the best punishment in the game, df 2, and wr 2 are best punishment moves. and when placed correctly his 50/50 hellsweep is a total guess for the opponent.
fighting a kazuya who know EWGF and one without makes THE HUGEST DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD. its the only reason why i havent picked up kazuya yet....i cant do ewgf
EWGF is just a move. It has nothing to do with decision making. My friend is tekken king with Kaz and he never does EWGF. He likes the dash in of WGF more. Movement is the most important.
I was playing tekken since tekken 5, I was 6 yo I think.And I'm not good at tekken cause I have a potato internet connection and I can't play online.Wish I could play lol everyone out there enjoy tekken it's such a nice game
Using Jin as a beginner with roughly 60 hours in Tekken 7, it is rough right now. Considering there are spamming Noctis, Leo's, and Law's everywhere. It is not easy when you have a character like Jin or Kazuya!
It really is annoying to fight those characters when they have so much bullshit when playing a Mishima. Kazuya is great for this since his 112 can tell you so much. Just throw it out there to see what you can punish if you don't know. It's such a underrated move in lower ranks. Super powerful.
My personal recommendation for a beginner character, Josie. She's not too gimmicky, won't let you develop bad habits like button spamming Katarina. Combos do have to be fluid, but not button mashingly easy( reduce he chances of opponent landing a CH on you). Forces you to learn fundamentals like crouch dashing mid combo. For someone who just started, I think she can set the foundation and discipline before you move on to more technically demanding characters
I'm a casual player (King main) but I really like Kazuya and started playing him because of TMM, i just think his moves and combos are pretty cool to execute lol
mainman your my inspiration for kaxuya but my first main is king and my inspiration for king is lil majin i just mained king for 3-5 weeks and then i saw your channel and yeh my main changed to kazuya so thanks
I would play whoever. I play tekken 7 for 2 months now (it's also my first tekken game) and I actually play yoshimitsu lol. I love his tentacle design and the cheese
If there moving around pressing buttons at lower levels Kaz's df2 will eat them alive and it'll hardly be getting punished. 1,1,2 is a really good and very easy to hit confirm jab string.
Man I personally started with Jin because I thought to myself he looks cool in tekken 5... and so i started spamming electrics to look and feel cool
Same
Accelerator is it from range 5 though?
if so tendo approves
Cool
Tekken 4 with me but same story lol...except I couldn’t do electrics until Tekken 7 😭💀
Still today I don't even know how to do the EWGF
Kazuya was my first character that I actually learned inside & out. So I owned & played every tekken since Tekken 2. However I didn’t know the depths of the game until the 6th installment. From tekken 2 to 5, I was younger & didn’t even know about juggling & combos outside of the 10 hit combo. I knew the concept of punishing but didn’t know the term for it, I just simply knew how to block & attack back lol. But Tekken 6 was a year that I was a bit older & actually sat down & learned the command list. They had the sample combos at the bottom of the list of course & that was back when you couldn’t see the inputs for the sample juggles so you had to know the moves by memory. Tekken 6 also started the juggle off the ground animation which is when combos really started to get insane.
I picked Kazuya because I have memories going back as far as I can remember, as being a little kid & always losing to a guy with black hair, a red eye, lightning kicks, & a spinning lightning uppercut. So jump years later when I sat down & learned Kazuya, I realized that Kazuya was the character I have strong strong memories of. (My memories are also mixed with Jin from tekken 3 since he resembles kazuya a lot & literally still does the Mishima-style karate.)
& MainMan I’ve been watching you since Tekken 6 man. Lol. I wanted to get better at kazuya & TH-cam was already going strong at the time so I looked into it & there I found you. Teaching me about EWGF.
Now we’re both fathers... playing tekken still to this day👌🏼💯🔥
Sheer determination was my experience. No understanding of frames etc when I picked him up in TTT2 since childhood T3.
Win rate was around 32% iirc. ALOT of asswhoopins. But. When it clicks and you engage brain, the feeling and reward for your efforts is like the gift that keeps on giving.
Nothing really to add, great analogy and breakdown.
1st thing said defo the most important thing to consider.
"How serious are you about Tekken?" - cuts straight to the meat of the subject 👌
Just noticed that I forgot to reply to your old comment a few weeks ago when I asked you how you were doing and you replied. Sorry bud! I've not been too great, some personal problems but life goes on! Otherwise I'm ok. From what I know I'm healthy at least haha.
And to your comment, I 100% agree. I personally picked up Steve as my first character (I used others in Tekkens before he got introduced obviously, but Steve was the first serious one) and I didn't even know he was one of the hardest characters in the game. It's no surprise that him and Kaz have amongst the lowest win rates online, because as a beginner and intermediate they are just hard as fuck to play, as TMM explained pretty well. I got my ass whopped a LOT (and still do) but due to Steve being my first, it made me learn proper Tekken. There was no easy mode with him. Just like Kazuya Steve works a lot with timing, so knowing the matchups is vital for success, since you need to know when and where to place your counter hits. But I love the challenge and never gave up. I fell many, many times, but always got up and improved. And I don't regret picking up Steve for a second. It is really a matter of how serious you want to get into Tekken, or how much effort you plan on putting into it. If you are ready to work your ass off, then Steve, Kazuya, Bryan are excellent picks. It feels very rewarding when your hard training finally pays off and you see some results. But if you want instant gratification, then those are not for you.
@@disruptor6550 Hey Nx Worries!
Sorry to hear you've been thrown a few curveballs lately chief.
Glad to hear your still grinding away at the o'l wheel of life amidst all the negative stuff going on in the world tho.
Was gonna say 'Samsara' but we don't want people taking you for a filthy u4 panic mashing DVJ 😉
*Very aptly named move when you look into after losing a match to a high/low crush from it* 👍
Hat off for the Steve, took me a LONG time to appreciate him. My mate knows only too well I was probably more toxic than I'd like to admit in the matchup, needed ALOT patience than I gave credit for 😅
Lots of CHs were ate but he's now one of my favourite matches as most of his useful tools are -13 and -14 so great for FC pewgfs and otherwise, learning guard animations and timings.
*holds hands up*
Learning Bryan still has me scared. That feeling of when you find someone who almost never fails the tech catch, (whether you delay it or not) Ooft!
Luckily I have a multi-char sparring buddy who picks up even Nina's butterfly cancels in just a few days and rarely drops them. It feels cheap to vs someone with that level of consistency but its one of those thing's where I dont think you can truly appreciate til you try it for yourself.
I used to think it was a cheap wallcarry gimmick but now its the same with seeing b2 Lee combos, really just left in awe at the execution.
So many characters have advanced levels that you can't 'just pick up' without having some grit in you to persevere. It really is testament to how diverse the roster is. Characters that are played in completely unique fashions while still having flexibility.
Recently been learning Kuni from Fergus' vids and it's amazing how much love they put into animating a character that never even made the cut for T7.
Such a fun and fluid character tho I think she's lacking alot of portable moves that can animate the Corkscrew so will probably need a hefty redesign to bring her up to date - time will tell.
@@malk2good indeed.
I was meaning with regard to playing Tekken when you were barely into double digits as a kid (prior to the internet) VS rediscovering the game 15 or so years later and learning how to play the game and using online content like TMM to get up to speed.
While growing up we used a TV show in the UK called 'Gamesville' - with a segment called 'Ask the games guru' (was for old style cheat codes and stuff like that etc.).
I used to watch hoping someone wrote in asking just the hell '⭐' meant. It was always in the manuals of the PS1 Tekkens but it never explained what it meant... Anywhere.
Was the first thing the 20 yr old me looked up when I learnt Tekken had survived all these years I'd been away.
Truly a face slap moment but I was just a kid and to me it was a hidden move. I'd still never have learnt unless the internet was a thing.
Imagine loving Kazuya and never knowing how to EWGF or HS 😅👍
But from total bambi to where I am now a few years later.
Plenty of online humility along the way ofc but once you find the value in that, your pretty much there mentally to stick it with your chosen character whoever you pick and whatever your skill lvl.
Im a kaz player and i relate so much to this
@@CallousCyclone You absolutely nailed it there mate. As you mentioned, things like Nina's butterfly cancels/combos, Lee's b2, etc (insert any similar stuff here)... you just tend to not appreciate those that much, until you eventually try it yourself.
It's really easy to label someone or something as gimmicky or cheap if you only look at it from the outside. But many things that look easy, and often piss you off online, gain your respect after you try them out yourself. I'm not a Nina player (never was, and never will be) but I was curious about those fancy combos of hers and I couldn't pull them off for the life of me, even after some practice (I mean, I managed to pull them off, but the success rate was ridiculously low). Maybe it's because my execution is far from insane in general; it's probably average, but I'm definitely not terrible and not the only one who just can't pick those things up in an instant. After trying things like these out, I appreciate and respect them whenever I see people pull it off against me online or during matches I watch, because I know that they are by far not as easy at they seem to be.
I wish more people had such a mindset and went out of their comfort zone to try these things out instead of judging them without even having a single minute of experience with it. I'm really tired of people calling characters like Steve or Kazuya easy, cheap, braindead, when they haven't even played them for a minute. Because if they did, they would take those words back easily. They probably lost to them online and now think they know the character. People just need to get out of their shells and discover the variety of the whole roster. Instead of being toxic, we need to learn to appreciate and respect each other, in order to create the best possible fighting game community ever :)
I just started playing T7 and I really like Kazuya. I feel like I am learning way faster. The fact that he really only has 10 moves is less intimidating as a noob and lets me focus on actual game plans and reading the opponent.
Jin is the best character to learn the game with. He requires some execution so if you're serious about him spend a day or 3 to master the electric, kbdc, and learn some combos and spend another half day watching pros how they play the character. Jin is great for newbies who really are determined to learn because he has all the tools needed
So true unlike kazuya he has good pokes which is a basic tool to master, whilst having pseudo electric for heavy punishment. Basically a whole package. Oh yeah and a stance for mixups as well
He's the easiest mishima to start with to get a good fundamental foundation of how the game works. But will get extremely harder the further you excell. Whereas Devil Jin it gets easier once your execution and fundamental are solid. Heihachi is just all round hard due to no great lows to enforce mixups and rely mainly on frame pressure traps.
I think heihachi is best beginner Mishima because well good no of ch launchers best pokes of any Mishima a 12 frame panic move (same with Jin ) stance utility that isn't demanding as b3 f 1 microdash with Jin and I believe Jin is good for same reason to start
Kazuya is definitely better once you have hang of Mishima playstyle and honestly the king of punishment especially the devil adds flaiz to kazuya
@@justaotter2085 i agree with you
I think Hei's lows are good low level.
Nice to hear Shaheen being recommended, he’s definitely a good character to learn the game with. You can focus on the matchup and not on a gigantic movelist. Having a fast slide takes some execution as well if you’re in to that.
I recently added Kazuya to my roster, which consisted of Jin and Eddy. Now I feel like Kazuya is basically Jin-supercut, and feels extremely simple to me. With Kazuya you use like 10 moves, while in order to get results with Jin you pretty much have to utilize ~25 highly situational moves.
I enjoy Kazuya a lot, but he is far from Jin in terms of being hard to get into. But at the same time, you can only win with Kazuya by playing the correct way, while Jin has some bullshit you can cheese people with to some degree, but it tops out much sooner than on bullshit-focused characters, and then you have to start playing correctly.
I agree that Jin seems harder at first, I think Kazuya can be a bit harder for matches against people who know what they’re doing because they know how limited his moveset is and plan accordingly. You have to think more about what move to use with Jin but the timing is a lot more forgiving
Kazuya is hard to be good with, but damn he sure is fun to play with though.
Imagine playing a character with a steep learning curve LMAO
This post was made by yoshi main gang
Def easier to play against Kazuya than Yoshi so in that way Yoshi is a lot easier. Straight Lab Character
Hissatsu!
Difficulty
Yoshi > kazuya
@@TayloredRedWing yoshi has the worst frames in the game.
"Everyone thinks its easy but no one spends time with the character." You talking about Eliza?
Im new to this comunity, why eliza keep getting bullied
@@bisquits8175 Eliza is a very hard to play character that requires a lot of execution that even if you master she is one of the weakest characters in the game. That's the Eliza story basically. Which is sad since I love that character so much.
Eliza is a good character, is not easy and this makes her funny to play, l still have hard time to do her combos, only because 2D stuff are very technical, but in tekken revolution for example, she was super easy to play.
tmm's explanations are actually so well done, i've learned tekken (especially kazuya) just by watching him often
Kazuya is a very technical character. Very hard to master. Its true what TMM said, if you Lab Kazuya, you don't lab him, you lab the opponent/dummy that you will chose to practice. Frame data is extremely important to Kazuya because he needs to maximize whiff and block punishes. Once you get good at Kazuya, he for me is the most satisfying and rewarding character in the game.
Jin just has that smoothness in his gameplay that no other Mishima can match. Despite having a slightly worse electric, he’s the full package
I think every beginner should give Jin a try
His tools are very encouraging at beginner level
~Safe rage art that no one ducks in beginner
~Rage drive that does more damage than his rage art(basically)
~B 2,1 does wonders at beginner level
~Bread and butter is easy and does decent damage (can be done from majority of launchers)
~Very compatible with intermediate and higher level of play so you don't have to change character
~Permenant Character
~Up back 3 panic move
~Combo potential so you'll not get bored of doing same combo over and over not to mention stylish
~Electric is an option but not a necessity
~general poking is solid
~Launching Hell Sweep
~ He is the protagonist for god sake
So yeah give him a try
I main garen in league and just switched to TEKKEN and I find kazuya is a lot like garen in the fact that he does a lot of damage but doesn’t have a lot of tools for outplay so you need to just be better at the match up and I love it. So much fun, every win is just you countering
the best character ever (for me though)
Not the best, but one of the greatest.
@@vinchester047 he clearly put (for me though)..
I have played law my whole life and when my brother and I battled, he always had a significant lead. I am pretty good with law, but I decided to switch things up a bit. I changed to Kazuya for 2 days and something clicked. He is my new main for now and I love him. I battled my brother today, and won for the first time. I will definitely be watching tmm’s Kazuya tutorial vids more now!! TMM, if you see this, thank you for being a huge inspiration to me, and everyone else here!! Keep doing what you are doing!! :)
You still winning tho?
@@SonataNoKami little update lmao. I played Kazuya for a little while (around 3-4 months). Was doing well until I saw a video of heihachi gameplay and was instantly hooked. I still use the old bastard to this day and I reached raijin with him now. My brother stands no chance 👌👌
@@jojoscar6368 ay nice, you don’t really see too many good iron grandpas
@@SonataNoKami haha yeah they get rarer the higher you go!
This was my exact path lmao. I played Law then played Kazuya and something just clicked.
It gets painful though but forces me to think about fundamentals and match ups.
I don’t mind the difficulty of Kazuya, it is frustrating how bad his b1,2 can be against some characters when trying to punish though. I wish it had more consistency like dvj or kings version of b1,2
Could not agree more. It's inconsistent af. Also his b2,1 randomly drops for no reason and it's annoying af
I know your not gonna see this but thank you for the truthful insight and being blunt I won't rage or quit anymore and ive found my patients im striving to be like you with kazuya
Awesome video my brother and picture perfect breakdown of Kazuya, Tekken overall, Time demands, Pros and Cons, thought and training process etc I love the shout out to Bryan as well for being so difficult to master. That's MY guy and has always been my Secondary character. The passion for something can completely over shadow the hardship in many cases. I never saw Bryan as difficult to learn for years, but as people who asked me for advice that were losing started to approach me, I started to understand views I never thought about. While it felt natural for me to pick him up, actually explaining his game plan in comparison to other characters made me realize how hard he had it. Me loving him and enjoying him so much made me not feel the struggle at all. However, the more you understand, the easier it is to see the struggle haha. Makes me love em even more though because it makes you respect great Bryan players for the work they had to put in. Great video once again my man. Keep up the great work.
"Kazuya is one of the most misunderstood character in forums" *SAD DORYA NOISES :((
I’ve finally got into yellow ranks after switching to arcade stick. I also think it’s important to add that since some of the harder characters require mastery of execution maybe playing pad will hold you back considerably when playing Mishima characters
Yeah playing on stick is a whole lot easier than a controller ans you don't get fat fingered lol
True man but sticks cost so mutch for me😔
Nah man is just preference tbh stick wont make you better
@@Davidtk2001 Hit Box is far superior to any stick
@@kinghadu9611 it's all preference honestly. Hit box is great for consistent clean inputs, and side steps. But for me I find my movement is 10 times better on stick. Both are great controllers tho 100%
I got into Tekken through Kazuya because he was so fun in Smash. Learning to EWGF consistently was super fulfilling
Bro can you eplain how you're doing EWGF in tekken ? I know how to do it in smash but itws impossible in tekken 😂😂
@@doctor_mayooo faster
@@foresttaylor7850 😵💫😵💫😵💫
I know this might sound weird but I like to play Kaz to chill out, because of his simple gameplan and only having 5 moves. Even more so if you are not worried about ranking up.
Also If you want to have the right to shout MASKU then yes go with Kazuya.
Same man I'm a Hwo main and he has so many ways to approach a situation and I'm always thinking a lot during a match, and I play Kazuya because his gameplan is very simple and very satisfying to play as well especially when you nail your opponent with a 3x EWGF
True that. I gave up on ranked and living with Kaz on casual. Its less stressful
@@lifealpha come back to ranked once you are feeling more confident. (hopefully no longer stressing you, which is important)
trust me it's worth it. I did the same with AK. Now I have almost 1100 ranked wins.
I basically RE-LEARNED Tekken from you bro. Great vids
The Jin way
Thank you
I've started with Kazuya because at first he was the first than I meet in 1996 when I had the first Tekken on PS1. I've played him in these years of explore, after came the two and I could play him as secret boss, he were cool but I think I was for the Tekken two a versatile player, I 've enjoyed most of all the carachters in the second opus. After came the Three, it was awesome with Jin players, Eddy, Bryan ... but Kaz. wasn't there. That 's most of my memories, my youthness and all the things that goes with it. I've played the four but from this one I've starded to interest for other things. And so I'm back to Tekken 7 maybe 20 years after this, so of course I started to play Kazuya, after more than 1180 wins I'm still Juggernaut , You gave the answer, I have to left him now and using another carachter, the step is difficult to admit but I have to do it and I swear i'll be back to him later. Thanks for what you're doing for the Tekken communauty.
I feel proud picking up Kazuya as my main.
Came from Street Fighter in 2018, no prior Tekken experience but always told myself if I ever tried it I'd play Kazuya.
It's now 2020 and I've only played as Kaz until recently.
Stayed in Green for a long time, floated in yellow for most of last year, and now I'm finally in orange. Some days I'm really "on" and can even hold my own(or straight up beat) players in red and above, while days that I'm sloppy or compromised has me falling into flowchart/yellow rank habits. It's a constant struggle, but learning this game with Kazuya has been a real joy, because every inch of progress feels earned, tooth and nail. I might not be the best Kazuya at 2 years in, but I'm really satisfied with the progress I've made up til now, especially since I feel like I'm at another plateau that's just waiting to be demolished by some new revelation or bout of training.
It's been the exact same experience for me 🥲. Glad to see I'm not the only one like this
I can relate to this
Thanks alot MainMan you've given me alot to think about myself as a Tekken player
0:22 Hello me from twitch.
Nothing more satisfying than landing an electric... DORYA! With that said I play with Josie when I wanna boost my confidence 😂
Its juday, what re you talking about
My first main in tekken 7(I haven't played any tekken games before) was Kazuya.I actually learned quite a bit of movement from my time maining him due to Mishima playstyle. Now I'm a Jin main and I'm really glad I had mained Kazuya because now I'm pretty good at movement making me playing SOLID with any character I tried. Anyways, what I want to say is that I recommend mishima's to beginners because you'll learn fundamentals quickly but be warned...get ready to lose A LOT.
It was a hard journey. I could of followed everyone's advice and picked Kazumi or Shaheen but I stuck it out. I play 12 characters all because I was able to learn fundamentals, remember which moves were punishable by 112 or twin pistons so that made learning frame data easier. Definitely worth it oppose to paying to win with some of the DLCs we have nowadays
Been playing kaz for about two games(on and off) he’s all about fundamentals, he’s offensive is easy to anticipate and he has clear weaknesses. 80% of he’s moves are complete garbage but he does have really strong block punishment and juggle damage hidden by behind a huge execution barrier and I frames input.
I purchased tekken a month or so ago, I’ve decided to main kazuya and I’m loving it so much.
Been learning a few combos, wavedash, ewgf, hs, hl
I love all his moves and his aesthetic.
I’m glad I found tekken and kazuya
Wanna spar mirror kaz?
@@Angelo-kd6nd I'm on xbox1
I play Marduk because the lack of panic moves, and the fact that I always give my turn up on block forces me to get better with my movement and blocking skills. Once I get better at execution I plan on switching to Kazuya. This is all great advice, thanks!
I used to play very casual Tekken with friends since Tekken 2, i played Paul the whole time. then Tekken 7 came and i really wanted to learn yo play the game and i started with Kaz, never regret it, i started losing all the time but now after all the time i can play a properly Kaz, It helped me to learn other characters too and how the game works. TOTALLY WORTH IT
Just pick whoever you want honestly, just have fun and don't give others shit for playing their fav character either.
there is no respect for leroy mains and I will give them shit
@@sparfRF what character do you main?
I love learning fundamentals with Kazuya ☺️
I'd say jin and kazuya are the same difficulty, but jin just gives you more of a reward once you cross that barrier
also idk if ling and yoshi are good in beginner ranks, they can confuse the enemy but since everyone is just mashing, it's gonna be pretty even
the characters who steamroll at the beginning are string characters and power characters
Jin being less difficult in lower ranks would come from having strong pokes like df1 b21 d4 f4 f3 and good pressure on block strings while having an easy 15f launcher in d3+4, a launching hellsweep and being all round in general with great block punishment and whiff punishment but obviously his execution is nearly or just as hard as Kazuya, just that he has a complete kit of fundamental tools to use where kaz does not.
There is also what was mentioned here about Kazumi and Shaheen, Jin has access to generic tools with good frames
What do you mean by power characthers?
@@cloude8496 heavy hitters like paul, fahk, and marduk, even without true combos their individual attacks can really hurt
Jin's difficulty is so overrated. Yeah hes harder than your average character but he doesnt come in the same tier as bryan, kaz or the other mishimas. He just has too many good tools and a lot of stuff that helps him in lower ranks. Mastering his parry or his optimal combos is whats hardest but you can do so well without them.
I first started Tekken 6 and my first character was Devil Jin. It was hard at first, and I got to slowly learn the matchups and how to do his mix-ups gradually. Wave Dash was one of the hardest to master during that time. And beginner me was just spamming df2 or uf4 as launchers. Then I tried Kazuya for one and it was hardest than Devil Jin. The mix-ups of Kazuya was harder to execute considering the frames, and the amount of times you will spend to know the matchups and timings will eventually pay off in the long run.
I started with Akuma and picked up Jin for other matchups, they're both really hard, but I also think they're really fun to play and I've been enjoying the game 7 months in.
Exactly why I started picking up Kazuya (I'm a Gigas main at heart), like what TMM said, damn dude is really gonna force you to learn matchup, punishments, basically the fundamentals of T7. Just a week playing Kazuya (mostly losses lmao) helped me a lot with my Gigas, wished you can wavedash with Gigas lol, but everything else is a plus for my main.
Gigas wavedashing at you is just a horrifying image. Shout out to you for being one of the few Gigas players though. I've only fought one deidacted gigas player before.
All I needed to know. I don't care how many times I lose, I love Tekken and I love Kazuya. I grew up playing Tekken 6 as an Alisa player and ever since Kazuya dropped in smash I recognized him immediately. I absolutely adored him in smash and it inspired me to play Tekken again and learn Kaz. Alisa/Kazuya are my characters and I will press on and learn the game with them no matter how many ass kickings it takes for me to master them and master the game.
well what i did is from tekken 6
first learned law but all i did was spam
then went to lee (also spam)
then went to lars then created an easy staple combo
but switched to kazuya to learn execution properly
but went on to learn other mishimas like heihachi because i got used to it for 2 years i think
then went on to tekken 7 maining kazuya still but switched on to devil jin because i thought that he was easier to control after you learn proper execution and has better 50/50
all in all
just get used to it
no matter what character it is
it depends on the player
His mixups and gameplay is straightforward but takes high level execution and mind games to use them appropriately and with timing
Agreed. In low or even mid ranks, Kazuya was the easiest opponent for my Lee. Generally, their attacks were straightforward and defenses were weak under jab pressure. But I do respect these players taking a harsh route instead of braindead characters such as Noctis.
I've been playing Tekken since the first part. And since the first part I play Kazuya; but not aggressively online and competitively. The character is, in relation to other characters, very focused and - I always say - limited in its possibilities compared to other characters. If you want to play Kazuya, you have to learn how to block first. There are a couple of tricks you can use that make the gameplay super fun. I'm currently playing my way up the Treasure fight for the second time and enjoying it. With Kazuya you have to let the opponent come, at least I always do best with that tactic. Whether I could and would play a real tournament with him I don't know. I only know that it is worthwhile to deal with the character.
What also helped me was to play Kazuya repeatedly from the beginning, from T1 to T7, to get a better feeling for speed and moveset. I don't understand any of the tournament talk ☺️ but yes, Kazuya is difficult, quite ponderous and certainly not the best choice for beginners.
I love him.
Bro you know I been grinding that kazyua all 7
I just got tekken 7 a couple days ago. Used to play tekken 4 as a kid and Kazuya and Hwoarang were my favorite. I played a couple ranked matches and went 4-3 with him using the basics I learned from a guide, even if I only understood half of it. He does feel really difficult but I hope to keep getting better
I would say a good character for beginners who wants to learn fundamentals would be jack... at the very least, jack has brain-dead execution minus the ONE combo (tho it can somehow be replaced with db 2 except for tip range). So you can focus your mind solely on the fundamentals. And what's better, jack doesnt have any panic move so Jack strictly requires good fundamentals which forces the player to be actually good in tekken
So true, I picked Kazumi as my second character and I'm still stuck in light blue rank with 150 wins, always about to reach green ranks but I have to face a toxic Hwoarang, Dragonuv, Shaheen or Noctis...
To those who play this game competitively I salute you. I play the game for the story honestly and well because honestly it’s probably the most insane fighting game I’ve played 😂😂. I don’t care if mash bro the characters the game the music it’s all just iconic 🤌🏾
I find that it’s either someone is really good or really bad with Kaz there’s no in between
Been casually playing Kazuya since T2 (played a lotta Jin in T3 and didn't touch T4), imagine me finally reaching a point where I can sorta land electrics near the end of Tag 2.
Still enjoy playing Kazuya, but unfortunately I always gravitate towards characters with a low execution bar (cuz I prefer focusing on the game than the character) over the more complex ones. So he's just there for me to play when I wanna fuck around.
Ever since I got psp years ago, I got hooked onto tekken 6 that time, I've always really liked playing Kazuya. Just a bit sad my dad had to sell the psp since we weren't really that well off in life that time. But 2yrs ago I got an old Nokia phone that was able to emulate some games so I started learning Kazuya and Jin, I've made a bit of progress with both of them though sadly I'm still nowhere decent enough especially with kaz :')
Kaz has had some godsend tools given to him this game. In Tag 2 he had strong combo damage but no pokes and his oki game was very lackluster since you had to get very close to get stomp. You're in much better hands getting at him as a know nothing in this game compared to T6 or Tag 2. I was a 52%-55% player from T6 to the first few years of T7, but in the past 2 years I spiked into 65%-70% win rate now that I've seen all the gimmicks and conditioned myself to let the button pushers destroy themselves with the gimmicks until they stop pressing buttons, and to not let myself get sucked into them. And now, with all the tools he's got this game, you can actually press your advantage when you get it. Only took 12 years lol
I absolutely love this character strictly for the nostalgia and memories he brings , my brother had a PS1 and I used to beg him to play tekken 3 every day and lose every day, he used to play with Kazuya and I’d play with Jin I would love seeing the electrics and heelsweeps. Fast forward through T4,T5 and T6 ; tekken 7 is where I fell in love with the character again. Although recently I discovered that Devil Jin is basically tekken 3 Jin and I’m trying to addd him to the roster . I will forever love kazuya he teaches you how to play tekken the hard way and I’ll always remember that
As a Kazuya newbie. I've been playing online and been losing a lot but it really doesn't bother me. I really don't mind losing a lot especially to good players as I learn a lot lol.
3 hrs later he's in smash
Good advice TMM.
Timing beats speed.
I started the game with Kazuya and I honestly don't regret it.
What a nice answer TMM. Just today I was thinking what would I answer to a question of what hero is recommended for beginners. Indeed the hardest characters are the greatest if you really want to learn. I am so happy I chose Bryan and Armor King as mains. Just badass characters.
I got the game 6 months ago and started with Devil Jin because he is goddamn awesome and it took me 3 months to get a reliable electric. Im a masochist and I like the fact that time and effort is required in order to be successful with the Mishima boys.
Tekken Tag 1 my first fighting game ever. I spammed kicks to get through fights on low difficulties as every character to get all the endings until I realized the practice mode. It was there I decided Kazuya would be the first character I want to learn how to actually play because he had the best goddamn drip in that shiny purple tux. when I found out how to use those advanced Mishima command inputs and some combos, that was when I realized what made fighting games as a whole so enjoyable and I've been hooked on the genre since. Tekken of course being my most played mostly for Kazuya because he made me bisexual. As difficult as he is to play, I've simply gotten used to his playstyle and simply don't enjoy playing the actual "beginner friendly" characters so I'll take those Ls because he actually makes you learn every other character in the game anyway when you need to analyze the other player arguably more than with any other character and go for outplays.
I started Tekken playing the Mishimas because they were the main characters but over time I went from just playing Mishimas as a personal preference to playing them for real (I would say around the time of Tekken 5, although I had a long way to go to become a serious player in general).
i used to like playing mishimas and Jin the most but i think playing other charas like Lili, Eliza, and Noctis are more fun bc i can't do electrics consistently, i still love those guys though they're super cool villains
Getting your shit pushed in 2/3 of the time in ranked matches is part of the beginner Mishima experience.
Been happening to me since the previous 8 months I've started playing Tekken as a beginner with kazuya
But atleast have the basics down pretty good now
I would say to just play whoever you like. If you like the character you’ll have the want to improve with that character and get better.
I love ur kazuya playing style that's why my main character game is bryan and kazuya
JDCR says mishima's wave dash game doesn't transfer over to other characters, and only gets you nasty habits when playing other characters. That's why he recommended playing a well rounded character like paul or Marshall, so you can learn everything about the game and have an easier time picking up the specialist characters later.
People in the chat look like they watch the streams just to flex about knowing what frames are or what frames does a specific move have lmao
I actually think he has some great tools in his arsenal to crush other beginners or intermediates level players.
His rage art is probably the thing that will work 99% of the time against beginners or intermediates and due to the damage done you will end most of the rounds with it if you are having issues.
Kazuya is probably more difficult to use at higher levels, except when it's some crazy high level where people like Novi will crush everyone.
Let's just if you want to play Kazuya as a beginner, You basically playing a game at the hardest difficulty as possible, If you want a normal difficulty you can go play Shaheen,Dragunov,Jin,Kazumi,etc. Basically any all around fundamental character, If you want easy difficulty you can go play Katarina,Noctis,Negan,etc. any character that can win with 2 buttons
There are more rewards though playing normal and hard difficulty like any games cuz you learn the game more.
Thanks for the vid bro. Huge kazuya fan and the vid did clear some things for me however I will continue. Managed to grab a brawler rank which as a casual is awesome for confidence. Keep up the good work
Kaz has a great 10 frame punish which is great for online.
I like how TMM turns into the angry strict teacher somewhere around 6:30
I think more videos like this would be cool, I'd like to see something like this for Armor King or Devil Jin.
I suck with kazuya but hes cool AF same with Jin and Heihachi
He's fun to play but hard to win with without substantial commitment. His poking options are limited, and his execution is very high. But nothing is more classic Tekken than his vortex game, and his 50/50 revolving around the Mishima staples: electric and hellsweep. You need good movement to succeed with him, and achieving consistency with the electric in real time situations takes a long, long, long fucking time. Total badass character, and maybe the "purest" character in the game.
Great answer ! I'm a gimicky Lei main with thousands of 50/50, best rank I reached is fujin, why ? because even me I don't understand what's going on when I face a Lei ... And I decided to start learning Kazuya. I thought it would be easy ... he doesn't use a lot of attacks, his game plan is always the same ... Huge mistake ... very high execution, eletrics, electrics while moving, wave dash, no hopkick, no good middle poke, no good low, 1 or 2 blockstuns. Now I went back to warrior 😫 and I realised that my tekken mindset is bullshit ! I need to stop focusing on winning and start focusing on learning the FUNDAMENTALS, the matchups, the punishements, the defense, I have some fundamentals but apparently it's not enough ... I won't give up ! And I'm sure that with Kazuya I'll be a better tekken player than I'am now, and I'll be proud of my victories, because with Kazuya, YOU VE GOT TO FUCKIN DESERVE IT 😂
Honestly, any character that doesn't have a ton of incredibly evasive or crushing bullshit is fairly honest for beginners. I'm looking at you Ling and Asuka.
I main jin but i pretty much play kazuya to limit my movelist and practice my fundamentals like movement, whiff punishes, spacing, and become a smarter player overall
One of my major flaws is I fucking hate losing in rank but no casual, that’s because in rank it’s all cheese I don’t learn anything from losing but on the other hand in casual people take it seriously and so do I and that allows me to learn from my loses
Here because I want to get a headstart with his inputs and stuff for smash bros lmao
With the timing, Kazuya has the best punishment in the game, df 2, and wr 2 are best punishment moves. and when placed correctly his 50/50 hellsweep is a total guess for the opponent.
I would use kazuya for my beggining experience and watching your kaz vids makes me wanna play kazuya
fighting a kazuya who know EWGF and one without makes THE HUGEST DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD. its the only reason why i havent picked up kazuya yet....i cant do ewgf
EWGF is just a move. It has nothing to do with decision making. My friend is tekken king with Kaz and he never does EWGF. He likes the dash in of WGF more. Movement is the most important.
Me and my homie Kazuya killing it since tekken 1
I was playing tekken since tekken 5, I was 6 yo I think.And I'm not good at tekken cause I have a potato internet connection and I can't play online.Wish I could play lol everyone out there enjoy tekken it's such a nice game
Using Jin as a beginner with roughly 60 hours in Tekken 7, it is rough right now. Considering there are spamming Noctis, Leo's, and Law's everywhere. It is not easy when you have a character like Jin or Kazuya!
It really is annoying to fight those characters when they have so much bullshit when playing a Mishima. Kazuya is great for this since his 112 can tell you so much. Just throw it out there to see what you can punish if you don't know. It's such a underrated move in lower ranks. Super powerful.
@@MrSamuelAdam4 yes. I dealt with a spamming 3 bar Lili. Very strange that they also lag too
My personal recommendation for a beginner character, Josie. She's not too gimmicky, won't let you develop bad habits like button spamming Katarina. Combos do have to be fluid, but not button mashingly easy( reduce he chances of opponent landing a CH on you). Forces you to learn fundamentals like crouch dashing mid combo. For someone who just started, I think she can set the foundation and discipline before you move on to more technically demanding characters
lmfao. josie is gimmicky as hell.
Play whatever you want.
when a started to play tekken 7 i wanted to main king because i liked he's story and design. now i'm maining negan.
I'm a casual player (King main) but I really like Kazuya and started playing him because of TMM, i just think his moves and combos are pretty cool to execute lol
Start the game with Kazuya its not recommended but I start the game Steve in tekken 6 and I only play Steve til now.
My main character is Paul I haven’t switched ever since tekken invented. This is my first time practicing a different character and it’s kazuya.
So many Kayuzas at Green and Yellow
mainman your my inspiration for kaxuya but my first main is king and my inspiration for king is lil majin i just mained king for 3-5 weeks and then i saw your channel and yeh my main changed to kazuya so thanks
I would play whoever. I play tekken 7 for 2 months now (it's also my first tekken game) and I actually play yoshimitsu lol. I love his tentacle design and the cheese
If there moving around pressing buttons at lower levels Kaz's df2 will eat them alive and it'll hardly be getting punished. 1,1,2 is a really good and very easy to hit confirm jab string.