Russian Soldiers Have the Worst Opsec
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 พ.ค. 2022
- You would think the Russian army would put their phones on airplane mode before invading Ukraine, but apparently not.
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I thought they took your phone away if you went to war. They're literally a tracking device in each soldier's pocket. It blows my mind soldiers are allowed to have their phones with them during a war. Insane.
Yes, but they went on special military operation, not to war, so there was no need to take their phones
Well the US snitched on themselves with some fitness app, you could see hundreds of people's tracks on the base from a globally accessible map
From what I heard phones were taken but not because of tracking. I guess there are some exceptions but a lot I read and watched a lot interviews and many soldiers told that their phones were taken on 23rd of February. Actually smartphones are banned in Russian military because in the last couple of years we had quite a lot of videos from army showing it's bad side, it's still possible to have one but it's much more difficult
Russian POWs and those who returned back, say that phones were taken by the higher ups. BUT it's not because of a precaution against tracking, but to keep the soldiers out of the loop. See, russian propaganda hinges on people being dumb and blind, so they can spoon feed the most absurd shit you've ever heard. Also, some soldiers refused to give away their phones because(and this is a quote) "Previous cases when officers confiscated our phones, they would "lose" them. And we never saw them again". So yeah, they took away phones because they literally could steal and feed them bulshit at the same time.
They are not allowed to use phones
You actually pronounced the names better than 99% of journalists do
Ivan is 'e-VON' though but yeah pretty good otherwise
@@Randomness65535 I thought Ivan is Eye-vun and Yvonne is e-VON.
@@Randomness65535 Ivan is "ee-vahn"
He is actually the Ghost of Kiev.
@@LucasImpulse good point, yeah, it's just like Yvonne but more a and less o. Like 'von' but with an American accent.
A few years ago American soldiers using fitbits literally gave away the outline of US military bases in Africa that no one knew existed. If the US ever got into a war with a peer rival this would apply to the US as well.
They werent fitbits. They were a fitness app.
Those werent exactly top secret bases either. They were mostly FOBs.
To the militaries credit though, no one thought that the fitness app would record the GPS data, and fucking put it out online.
The military does fully ban phones where it matters though, and they do a good job at it too. keep in mind your average iphone is basically american, and it some massive security risk.
I honestly doubt that if the US went against a peer rival, that they would do the same mistake again. Atleast compared to Russia, Western armies actually learn from past experiences, and dont contiously do the same braindead shit over and over again.
To be fair those were guys from the intelligence services, not necessarily uniforms and certainly not grunts
Bruh I trust NATO/America more as they got better tactics more troops better gear and vehicles biggest NAVY in the world biggest Air Force in the world Russia lost 26-30K troops in 3 months USA lost 4-8K troops in the last 32 years
@@honkhonk8009 every fitness app has a gps tracker how do you think they estimate your distance traveled lmao magic ?
@@g0stface23 accelerometer? lol
>meanwhile US will have every soldier tracked for "strategy"
>inb4 it can't be hacked
it can be hacked
@@neighbor4772 lol yup, but tell that to the political brass making the same mistake as the m14...
Will* be hacked
@@Bagginsess It's not a mistake when it's done on purpose.
And this is how you are reminded military intelligence is an oxymoron.
All it takes is one Snowden.
There are actually a lot of russian captives saying that officers took their phones before entering Ukraine. But also a lot of russian soldiers were afraid that officers would just steal and sell their phones on a black market so they hid them.
Lmao they knew their own culture well
The problem is that most people listen to this hearsay and to whatever the media outlets write down.
In the Russian army you are not allowed to have your personal cellphone with you during service. That law applies to any military service, not just abroad. You're supposed to hand in your phone when entering service, and documentary declare what you've handed it; not handing it over to a random officer when leaving the country. You can only use a phone during free periods, and the military is providing soldiers with phones and a secure connection to call to their relatives.
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Then there are these things to consider: 1) soldiers and volunteers from the east-Ukrainian people republics are not in service at the Russian govt army, yet they do fight at the same side as the Russians; almost all of these people speak Russian, a lot of them have relatives in Russia and some of them even have a Russian passport (along with an Ukrainian one); these east-Ukrainian partisans have an incentive to pretend to be a Russian soldier, because that will protect them legally under the 3rd geneva convention. These East-Ukrainian partisans are way more likely to get captivated than actual Russian soldiers.
2) The Ukrainian goventment has been shown to use montage and actors in a lot of their videos (especially in the beginning of the war). Some of their videos are real, some are not.
What a nonsense. In Russian army phones are given to soldiers at evening when they have free time only and then are taken back.
And you can't hide a phone from a CO. During the invasion I'm sure that MOST of their phones were taken and stored somewhere back at the batalion HQ.
The problem is that some soldiers may have had a second phone to keep at themselves and give away the first one. Or maybe inserted their SIM card into another (maybe found) phone.
Many soldiers come from rural areas and they don't think that much about mobile networks or position acquisition via such. But everyone want to be in touch with their relatives.
@@13Sol46 Watch some interviews on Volodymyr Zolkin channel, he has more than 100 interviews with russian captives. If you don't know russian, some of the videos have english subtitles.
@@wondercorpse Ukraine has a special division of military propaganda, disinformation and "psychological warfare", it is called TsIPSO (ЦИПСО), most Ukrainian military bloggers work for them. If you seriously think that some youtube blogger can record interviews with prisoners of war, then you are very naive.
The mechanics in this new Stalker game kick ass
New zone occupation modpack slaps
so true
Actually though, that would be a great mechanic, you have some fancy shit with a tracker, put it somewhere, a bandit or somebody else might pick it up and boom you got their location
Ironically the developers of Stalker are Ukrainian.
Ironically the developers of Stalker are Ukrainian.
iCarly controlling the cell towers terrified me, no shit, it was an Orwellian moment.
Foreshadow
I hate the antichrist
The photo was actually from a Drake and Josh episode. Which should be more concerning given Megan was much more malevolent
@@ilocosmetro At last, an analyst!
Miranda Cosgrove as Megan was more malevolent than Miranda Cosgrove as Carly.
As an insider, I can say that target tracking by cellphone was massively used only in the first weeks of the war. This worked until the russians start shelling telephone towers. But in some regions, like Kherson or Donbass you still can catch a signal from occupied territory. By the way, this problem often occurring in ukranian army too. Technologies make it possible to track spots with massive usage of cellphones, without any telephone towers under control.
By the way, there are a lot of stupidity occurring from both sides. Such as tiktok hypebeests that give away locations where rocket has landed, or troops location, captured cellphones with A LOT of video footage and info from messengers.
Must admit i chuckled when reddit squad headquaters got obliterated with other mercs and instructors because they leaked all the info on the reddit as to where it was and how it was. People tend to forget that in modern conflict both sides use tactical ballistic missiles with range of hundreds of kilometers.
Sylvia from HoMM3. Insane I recognized her that fast!
@@luxettenebrae4424 where can I read more about said reddit squad and it's demise?
It's insane to me how quickly civilian tech emerged onto the battlefield. Just a few short years ago I was finishing up my deployment in the middle east during OIR. We never had the security risk that I'm seeing today. Granted, some grunts were posting cringe videos online during the early days of the GWoT in Iraq and Afghanistan. But let's face it, the chance of Al-Qaeda and the Taliban having any strategic use of the information was unlikely. They trained on playground equipment.
Still, it's interesting to see what warfare looks like between two high-tech nations. There is certainly a lot to be learned and many adaptations that need to be made across all the world's militaries to patch these gapping holes in operational security.
I remember that Reddit guy who caused Ukraine to lose an strategic target by posting. This war is tiresome. Dumb tiresome.
Bad opsec is huge on both sides, a bunch of ukrainians and volunteers got killed early on for posting pics of their barracks on redit, and there was even a youtube channel that posted about some militia training that was going on mauripol, they of course, included the name of the building were the training was taking place
filming military locations should be illegal
It's been a lot harder to find combat footage from the Ukrainian side nowadays.
@@clementpoon120 It is in a lot of countries, I dont know about Russian law though
Ukranians are as well giving their location recording lot's of TikTok
Holy shit now that's a reddit moment
And that's why any security officer should go and buy at least a Faraday cage for storing electronics into
Those can be easily made too, Faraday fabrics and pipes, lol.
cover your phone with a few layers of Aluminium foil
Me trying to convince my wife to not grid the whole house.
I ordered led foil, kinda expensive but imma assume I won't get poisoned and it'll work
@@LaurentiusTriarius just make sure you wash your hands really well or use gloves. Cover it in enamel or something
From what I understand the russian soldier arent allowed to bring phones at all but some either hide them or steal phones from ukrainians.
Same thing happened to the Ukrainian "Foreign Legion". Someone in the barracks took pictures inside the place and put them on social media. Russians were able to figure out where they were and bombed them.
150 foreign mercenaries died because they had to post pics on social media that showed where they are.
Many Ukranian "troops" are just volunteers, not actual soldiers
So it makes sense that they would make mistakes like those
But when the ATTACKING side is making these kinds of mistakes... they are literally the ones that prepared and attacked first
@@rompevuevitos222 Why do you respond with some sort of excuse for it as if I was comparing Russian and Ukrainian opsec when I was just giving an example?
People are so fucked in the head over this Ukraine stuff it's insane
@@pixelplanet142 To show how virtuous they are about supporting the current thing.
Millennial and zoomer narcissism knows no bounds.
@@pixelplanet142 Besides the reddit battallion a dozen Ukrainian guys got blown to pieces because they posed before a fried truck while there still was an operational russian tank in firing range. Another reddit squad had to post a video how they do music together.
And there are half a dozen videos of geniuses chuckling how they trick the russians by hiding in schools and gyms, i with the consequent result of those places being reduced to rubble.
Probably would never work, but this could be used as an example of why governments should give privacy to their people, as this data can also be used by hostiles too, of course! As a fin, I could start some kind of vote for the government to punish or even ban apps like facebook if they collect our data, but I would like opinions on this. Probably gonna go to a Finnish forum to start up conversation.
are you ready to fight the Russians on your land?
@@Keirnoth Why worry about that. Ukraine is their freebie. If russia gets greedy and goes at finland the story of humanity as we know it ends.
@@Keirnoth damn, something about that just sounds badass. Reminds me of the quote about a "rifle behind every blade of grass" preventing the invasion of the mainland US.
Before the war, Russia and Finland had good diplomacy, which explains why Finland didn't claim Karelia to avoid hurting their relationship to Russia
@@tissuepaper9962 yeah, as if US government (both parties) doesn't actively try to disarm their general populace via a lot of retarded laws, taxes and regulations because they hate that people can defend themselves and potentially have the power and means to overthrow the tyranical gl0b0h040 govt.
I remember seeing some mercs (r*ddit legion) in the Ukrainian military messing up their opsec as well. This truly is the war of the zoomies.
Meme War
I love how some of those morons went there thinking they'd be badass operators and instead they end up with a shovel. Some then wanted to leave only to start crying they were being kidnapped because it turns out you can't just fuckin leave, that's desertion. To top it all off they have no sense of opsec and many likely have zero military training and lied about it.
@@thesaddestdude3575 better meme war instead of real one
"HaHa Jonathan, you're bombarding my sister"
@@rsoldat4951 Didn't expect to read this sentence today, have a like
I thought smartphones were good for your privacy, especially those apple ones.
Yeaaa thats what they want u to think, its false
@@ipooponurface Enjoyed using Qubes OS on the good old x230 for a bit, but now prefer to code js on my macbook in star bucks
Any cell phone uses cell tower .-.
@@chasing_the_horizon old man jenkins, do u live the young people?
Why does this have to be the top comment? You gave me a brain aneurysm. I didn't ask for a brain aneurysm, but you gave it to me anyways, because it's the top comment and I have to see it even if I didn't click comments. NO APPLE IS THE WORST FOR PRIVACY
Russian army collected phones from soldiers before deploying, but I imagine they bypassed this by hiding them.
Probably because many of them thought it was a training exercise
@@total_epicness6776 lmao that makes more sense than I expected
Also they were stealing phones from stores and civillians. But civilians often judt reported to our feds that russian soldiers had taken their phone so that they immediately get tracked.
@@total_epicness6776 They definitely knows what they expected.
Tankies be like: What about US using walkie-talkie in Korean War???
They're still using cellphone tower data today as well.
Thing is, most people in the army are not exactly tech specialists, they don't know how comms work and how they could be used against them in a conflict. And it doesn't help that soldiers are not educated by their superiors enough on these subjects. Yes, personal phones and other devices are forbidden in the army, but nobody bothers to explain technical reasons, and that is (also) why everyone just ignores this ban.
And remember how a USAian base's location got leaked when some running-route-sharing app showed intensive routes is the middle of some desert? Yeah, Russian soldiers are not the first to be ignorant of these dangers.
exactly, if they at least told them phones are traking devices for the enemy and could get them killed not many ppl would sneak their phones in
There's an infamous cybersecurity course in the US armed forces people have to go through.
Should be part of their training
Former Army here. We are very much taught and told why we can't use personal electronics during wartime. But many soldiers just don't care and will either give a broken phone or sneak another phone in their rucksack. The higher ups can't go person to person and do a thorough search of every soldier, so some do get through.
Who the fuck says USAian?
At this point it wouldn’t be surprising if there’s a story in the future on how an entire bunker of Russian troops were located because one of them decided to update csgo on his laptop overnight
LOL
Average csgo player
The thing is, they're not allowed to have phones, they do it against the rules. And not like your regular Ivan knows about how cell towers work, all he knows is that he cant call his gf because some old guy told him not to, of course he's not gonna listen to him.
Your regular burger also doesn't know how towers work.
Governments use your data to figure out how to manipulate you, just like advertisers but hurting way more than just your wallet
You have to remember most people in the military are as tech-savvy as the average person. They might be made aware of this stuff but probably think they can get away with using airplane mode or something. Special forces guys are much more strict with this stuff.
not gru spetsnaz
I am not an expert, but know enough to turn off all my shit. It really is that fucking simple. We are talking common fucking sense.
A lot of these kids grew up with wireless headsets. Telling them to use wired headsets is a foreign concept to them. The only reason I use wireless headset at present. Is because my case has holes. That are too small. So the jacks are to thick; where they meet the rubber and wire to the muffs.
@@jamesedwards3923 A misconception of 'common sense' is that people think it means to be somewhat intelligent. It does not. Common sense just means the sense that is common at the time. When stupidity and ignorance reign supreme, that's the common sense. Nowadays, common sense just means one baby-step above moronic.
Spetznaz and vdv have been wiped out by triangulation generals and headquat location from videos, so...
I feel so lonely now, I was hoping I had a glow buddy watching over me, but it turns out I’m all alone, because I’m not interesting enough for them. So it goes…
That glow buddy would have eventually trafficked your organs, don't be sad.
"Turn off your phone once you cross the border"
My man, these guys didn't even know where they were going or why. They've been moving along the Russian side of the border for days, nobody even told them they crossed into Ukraine. Some of them even started looking for cheap tricks on Tinder the second day into the invasion.
bro mental outlaw loves his voice bro never does proper journalism. i only watch ur videos (ik ur reading this outlaw) to see what normie knowledge has come to..
Wtf lol
I suppose they were carrying one rifle for three soldiers while dudes from the other battalion were carrying ammunition
Yeah, calling Russian soldiers "trained" is a bit of a stretch.
They knew they crossed, we have access to a messages of soldiers texting back home saying we finally made it into Ukraine or we crossed and etc
How are the soldiers going to find the hot singles in their area?
They can also take a lot of phones to create false locations like the guy who buy a lot of phones to create lots of fake trafic jams to mess with the people
This is certainly a new era of warfare.
Bro. It gets so, so much worse. The Russians have a "new" encrypted comms system, but... in order to work... in its primary operating mode... guess what?
*It piggybacks off the local 3G network!*
or baofeng id handy
Rugged battle tested Russian stalinium equipment moment
The russian army secure comms were supposed to rely on a combined system of encryption over 4g network when at home and satellite comms when abroad. It appears that either the satcom part was not implemented at all, or the additional equipment was never procured/distributed to units. Planning/logistics mistake or more likely embezzlement. Advancing troops wrongly believed their comms would work with adversary 4g towers, which was not the case. Thus all the unencrypted radio traffic and cellphones - often the only way to communicate for lower-rank soldiers.
Android and Apple are American made OS's lol.
If Russia even used that, it wouldnt matter anyways.
Also, GLONASS isnt even used by the Russian military. GPS is accurate to 3.5m-7.8m, while GLONASS is accuaret from 5-10m.
Since GLONASS was only function after 2008, alot of precision weaponry doesnt even use it.
Not to mention GLONASS is known to be unreliable, and is only used as a last resort on the off chance that GPS is unavailable.
Russian soldiers litterally rely on both GPS and Beidou. Even their guided munitions, cruise missiles, and basically fucking everything, relies on other countries GNSS
@@honkhonk8009 Glonass also has a more accurate mode that uses security through obscurity
@@honkhonk8009 Android is open source, you couldn't get away with putting a backdoor in there (not for long). That being said, most people have stock Android from their manufacturers, which probably would have some sort of vulnerability.
They had phones with them for some unusual reasons:
1. Some people didn’t even know (when they went to war) that they are actually going to war. They were informed that they are going to some military studying, so pretty nobody took “don’t take your phone” as a strict rule.
2. Even if they knew where they would be (or they realized that in process), it would be very scary to stay absolutely isolated from another world (what actually our propaganda & military trying to do).
1. Ukrainian/western talking point.
2. Source: crack pipe.
Totally not giving yourself away, yeah, "our propaganda" my ass.
Bro this talking point is tired already….. its like months into a war now… Some idiots too their phones when they aren’t even allowed to have them
Those are just Russian soldiers pathetic attempt at lying to save their asses after being captured. You mean to tell me they ALL didnt know what they were doing? After amassing 195,000 troops on the Ukrainian border and several thousand different vehicles. The same soldiers that have continuously crossed in and out of Ukraine didn't know what they were doing?
@@saisaiverba7658 but people who took the phones in the start of ThE SpEcIaL OpErAtIoN will not just throw them away
@@genken7880 bro Russians were the first ones to kill Ukrainians because of cell signals. The soldiers took their phones against orders not because “tHeY DiNT kNoW”
As others might have referenced, I think you need to research this a little more. Most of the location information has been gathered by U.S. intelligence, the other by the Russians telling family where they. The Russian had an LTE secure method of communicating but they knocked down many of the LTE towers, and were force to use open communication radios. You can find a few TH-cam channels with their translated conversations with family and other troops.
Don't bother, most of so called phone calls are fabricated by Ukraine intelligence department. There is so mich fakes fabricated by my(Ukrainian) government that there is no point to losten to anything they post anymore.
Those conversations are too easy to forge both sides post lot of them. Because both countries use same language.Also in russian army phones are forbidden for use unlike in ukraine, where everyone have their phones, there is some interesting information from captured phones floating around(from both sides, since russian soldiers sometimes have their phones and drone operators use phones for scouting).
Which are obviously fake.
People are forgetting that it's all propaganda from both sides. As much as I like Kenny he's kind of fucking stupid in this regard.
The Russians aren't stupid they know that people are always listening thats why they develop a drone that can carry a femtocell this documentary by combat approved show that,whether they deployed these drones in Ukraine is however a mystery
th-cam.com/video/DO6P6kAUOLw/w-d-xo.html
3:40 good point, but these camos etc. are used on land air and water. Which are much older domains of warfare than cyber (5th domain). So it kinda makes sense that they would be lacking in that specific one if any
Wait, what's the 4th domain, then?
@@egarcia1360 space (but idk anything about space camo so i didn't mention it)
@@intfamous4001 Space would be really easy to hide stuff tbh
As a common practice (during military action) all military command confiscating all smartphones and even old type button cellphones from soldiers, so they simply can't tell where the hell are they and what's happening, to their families. Even as simple conscripts, you might be sent to the war without any chance to alert your family. There's a widespread network of smartphones smuggled in russian army, hence the ease of listening through.
You pronounced Belgorod right, don't worry
Why go to war without tik tok and memes
sources pls?
Mental Outlaw isnt the best at research. Thanks
@@JamesQHolden He also shows unconfirmed stories that are pedalled by the MSM and he doesn't understand that they're too good to be true. We all know how much the ukrainian media and the western MSM loves their propaganda and misinformation, like with the ghost of kiev, the whole snake island debacle and now the "heroic evacuation" of the Azov battalion, just to name a few
@@rocketradioket1398 look the US if your going to get deployed your suppose to terminate your phone contracts and use is restricted only at the base a few years ago it was outright banned to be used
Hey, that CS student writing the cruddy code for 100 dollars is soon going to be me.
This shit happens all the time. Finns used Tinder to spot Norwegian soldiers and shell them with artillery. Sure you can say that "it was only practice and that in a real situation there wouldn't be phones", but you would be dead wrong. Phone is like an eleventh finger to most people these days.
You need a decent level of corruption within a military to have phones be as common as they are for Russian troops. If Norwegian armed forces order all phones of a unit to be confiscated it's probably at least a bit more effective than the Russian situation where even privates and conscripts can avoid the confiscation.
@@zimbu_ That, and also people are fucking stupid. No matter how you try to control it, someone will smuggle a phone to make wartime tictoks for updoots anyway.
Wait when did Finns fight Norwegians?
@@SgtZaqq wargames, military training
@@zimbu_ yeah. But you are going to a real war without a way to communicate with your loved ones is probably not easy. Pretty lonely. And when you die nobody knows. In past they had letters but today I think maybe a secure communication with home should be included into the military communication network. At least in the free time over WiFi or do. But during combat better not connecting to the cell towers.
Thank you very great for the help a lot advices to opsec, comrade mental outlaw. Motherland will remember your!
I was in the military, working in a GQ. Believe me those Generals can't even find a send button for their emails. They are much less aware of the danger of cell phones.
"The War in the time of TikTok" would be a great name for a book in the future.
but iPhones are part of the Apple mesh network... even if the phone is off, they're still nodes
They also use it for psychological warfare. They publish phone call recordings of Russian soldiers calling home and complaining about conditions, admitting war crimes, asking families to help with being discharged etc.
Lmao lots of Ukrainian soldiers got killed because of cell signals too… I guess we’re all learning the hard way
Western media (and Mental Outlaw is western media by extension) covers only Russian failures, barely Ukrainian failures.
Less than Russian since it's the Ukrainians controlling the cell phone towers in Ukraine, hello logic 101
"Lmao" and "killed" shouldn't be on the same sentence.
@@plaguerim5608 Unless its in videogames
Well a few things:
First most people do not actually know how well a phones can be tracked.
The people who do know it can be tracked do not consider that it can be used in war.
Most of the Russian military are conscripts and they do not want to be there so they are going to ignore the "boring" OPSEC training if they even get it.
Pepper bacon from the Amish market is amazing.
>most of the Russian military are conscripts
Is that what your Ukrainian KGB officer told you?
@@subvert221 LOL. Seems like a struck a nerve. Tell your boss in the Kremlin I said hi.
Pepper bacon is ok at best.
@@internallyinteral you have zero taste and you are a disgrace. Amish pepper Bacon is awesome
0:15 not gonna lie, just shoving Android into the workings of an office phone instead of building your own potentially insecure nightmare custom OS is actually pretty clever
I'm for sure on some kind of list, oh well it's nice for someone to watch my back at all times 😎
I watched an interview with a Russian POW who said they were all told to hand in their phones before going in to Ukraine but many hid theirs because they were sure they would be stolen if they handed them in.
In their defense I have to say that you MUST keep in touch with your Babushka! The risk of getting droned is acceptable if you can hear your Babushka one last time.
Russian here. These clowns had the problem with logistics and communications since forever, it was obvious in Afghanistan, Chechnya, Georgia. People in the west seem to be very surprised, how the war is turning out, a lot of people here aren't.
I hope that the war will end soon, since it brings nothing but misery, to me, my friends and family both in Russia and Ukraine, and it truly is the most stupid, unreasonable and absurd war in our history.
@my real name People were using cell phones for communicating back in Georgian war, for example, simply because half of the radio stations didn't work.
Well said man
You pronounced the place names near perfectly, hats off to you
Yeah, wow, way to use the graphic of Cincinnati damn near exactly where I used to live. Thanks for that.
18 year old > acts with 0 forethought, 0 rationality or understanding of the world around them...
military > Do you wanna be a big rough man sonny...
military full of smooth-faced children > yeah lets try to cross the river here....
I actually feel bad for the parents, 18 years of supporting a child for an urn or stone marker...
thats the government for ya.
What a waste
It's not about age, everyone loves memes
It's easy to live without smartphone after a couple of days but it's like waste of time or disability
The 18 year old would have been born in 2004 even in russia they have not lived a day without a phone.
i saw a video a few years back of some ukranians in donbas picking up a separatists phone and answering after they wiped out a whole squad. it was his mother and i think they apologized. they literally were standing over his dead body while they talked to her. there was headcam footage from both sides of the fight too. could have been some disinfo or something but seemed real. people dont know that this war has been happening for like 8 years now.
That was a Ukranian squad and they were fresh and had poor training, got sent on a recon mission. It's the separatists who can pick up the phone, they're wearing the darker green uniforms.
The only good thing about all of this, is that the people paying attention are waking up just how much control we cede to these little plastic scrying mirrors.
Thank you for your work sir.
Your videos have helped me immensely, and I hope you do the best in what you do.
What i find funny personally is that we weren't allowed to even have our phones in class, but these soldiers literally sent to war still have them. It cracks me up xD
They aren't allowed to have them. Thing is, if you've ever been around people, you know that something not being allowed will not stop some of them. Especially if you don't give them a proper explanation as to why the rule is in place, or if they're too dumb to understand the explanation.
I am pretty sure that the smartphone on the war is an exception. Soldiers also are not allowed to use phones on the battlefield. I have heard from ukranian, that in 2015 year Russian forces have used they phones, to detect ukranian forces. So I am pretty sure, that they know about cell phone. triangulation.
Smartphones have been banned in Russian army for the last couple of years but people still have them there
Most likely the normie soldier was never told why they can't have their phone, they would probably take it seriously if they knew the extent those things can be tracked, that's my guess anyways.
Zoomers just smuggle the phone in they don't care.
@@Sb129 in Russian army you are not allowed to have your phone with you, usually it's given to you in the evenings for small amount of time and smartphones are banned in general
@@sevil2467 I figured that but I wonder if the avg soldier knows the details as to why there is no phones allowed.
Comrade....thanks for advice!
for 2 minutes i actually forgot that i was listening to a video about russo-ukrainian war and was surprised by you saying "if you're a ukrainian fed"
You don't have to make a call, etc, to be tracked by the cell network. The phone pings the towers periodically all the time the phone is switched on
Cell tower knows which 120° sector you'r phone are on, which frequency band and particular frequencies are used and approximate distance to device. Cellphone itself knows way more: how much stronger (very rarely) or weaker neighboring cell tower signal is. It doesn't even know how strong of a signal outher carriers have in it's location. Tracking will definitelly include cell tower and sector. Any more than that - very hard to get.
I don’t think the phone needs to be on or charged even
@@kiloton1920 it does. Communicating with cell tower is always energy consuming. Cellphone gets nanowatts when recieving signal and transmitt with milliwatts (or even watts, up to 2W in GSM 850 or 900, 1W in GSM 1800 or 1900, or 0,2 W in 3g, 4g and 5g). Even right next to cell tower recieved signal is lower than RAM static consumption. Recieved level of cellular signal is not enought to keep anything within system memory, have a CPU running or even turn PMIC on (power managment IC)
@@kiloton1920 I think so too. Older models maybe not
7:06 future vid topic: the fact that its now common for phones to not actually shutdown? (its also convenient that batteries arent removable anymore.)
"you should probably know" that the Amish don't want you
One of my favorite tid bits is when troops in a military exercise one countries troops got the snapchats from the other they were practicing against and use it to find all their positions.
There is a story from the begining of the war, like 2014 begining of the war. were Russia claimed that they did not fire artillery on Ukrainian troops but do to smartphone tracking everybody new it was Russia who did it.
A other funny story is that there was a exercise with Swedish and Norwegian troops were the Swedish artillery "neutralized" like a hole Norwegian Unit because they found out that a allot of fit guys on Tinder (some with uniforms on) was swiping Tinder in the middle of the forrest, in the area were the exercise was taking place. It happen twice on the same unit. And it was only after the exercise was done that they found out how there position was known.
Idk if I buy this tbh, the info we get could be edited in a way to present them as clumsy and incapable.
That is the Russian government. Clumsy, incompetent, corrupt, and savage.
wow, so students need to serve at multiple points in their life? daaam, its not like i ignored all the tour comps and dockos and shit dog! never heard about that shit! i swear!
Most militaries have the same problem with cell phones. Well, all do. It not only about dicipling, in the end it is about self dicipline.
Huh, when I was conscripted we didnt bring smartphones, only burners, as we were explicitly told that using smartphones is prohibited by garrison's personnel. I managed to sneak in my smartphone only 6 months later, via meticulous planning, and ofc I didnt use any social networks...
This whole situation just makes me really hungry for answers.
Your pronunciation was very and very good ) Don`t worry about it
crazy, i already watched this video and it felt like 2 weeks ago so i thought this was a diffrent video. time is broken
That was the targeting in Lviv. All the cell phone numbers starting 44, the country code for UK
In 2005 in Afghanistan we had to turn in all of our phones to the unit before deployment because of these reasons.
You served in Afghanistan?
Fun fact: Google maps works without internet, turn on the GPS and it has an accuracy of about 5 meters off
So yeah, even without a mobile network, tracking is pretty much doable
@@awesomeferret you don't need to do this for general gps purposes. I just drove hours through a zero cell reception area.
@@awesomeferret I tried it myself. Works perfectly fine on Airplane mode.
@@piguy4137 maybe that's a new thing? My newest phone is an LG V40 running pie, and even pokemon go forces me to turn on enhanced tracking to do anything. Even in offline mode, airplane mode makes it impossible to grab my location, whether in Google Maps or anything else that requests location (at least from a user facing perspective, who knows what goes on under the hood). I've never owned a phone that behaves as you describe.
GPS uses timing from multiple satellites to geolocate
It does not need any external connexion whatso ever to determine any position
The 5 m error you get is a limitation by design to prevent miltary uses (exp : munition guiding )
Encrypted gps channels the westerns militaries use offer way more accurate geolocation
Tldr : its a one way street, the satellite sends the signal and the device interprets it
It works with cached data, you can cache data for the area you live, but last time I checked, it didn't let me cache enough for a 2 hour road trip. IIRC, automated route planning doesn't work offline, even if the data is cached. But you can use other apps with maps saved on your phones storage just like you can on standalone satnav devices.
Pennsylvanian here. Please come. It’s amazing here. Much love from the Pennsylvanian Deutsch/Dutch!
This is the canary in the coal mine video from Mental Outlaw. The canary has died.
Interesting how your comment can be interpreted in different ways.
That last part about calling the families of soldiers you've killed is just straight up ghoulish. Doesn't matter what side you're on, that's fucked up
I think they were just giving them polite closure - "Hello, we've Ukrainian and we found this phone, your husband is probably dead, sorry to tell you"
5:49 you've pronounced everything right, lol!
More or less.
@@B----------------------------D yeah, actually the stress on Kiev should be different
Corporations can always send me targeted ads using Mikasa to shill grape juice at me. I invite them to do it, even.
I've been on a force-on-force training exercise where one dude in the other troop sent me a snap on snapchat. Not only that, he didn't turn off snapmaps. Basically exposed his entire troop. TC had a good laugh out of it.
>Military trained
>Russian soldiers
pick one
This was very enjoyable to watch. Well done.
I wonder when corporations are gonna find out that the only thing people hate more than ads are targeted ads
S+ tier Waco reference. 10/10
Liked and subbed instantly
The US probably has some real-time tool integrating every piece of information they have into a 3D world map.
Probably even converting live video from hacked/public/friendly cameras into a point cloud 3D reconstruction.
They probably have a "low"-detail representation of everywhere (or at least POIs) from satellites and augment it with additional data.
For sure running object detection algorithms that automatically detect and classify any forces on the ground.
Technically it's entirely feasible and if you look at what they had 15 years ago, that pretty much confirms it for me.
So I'm pretty sure the intelly boys know where every Russian soldier is, even without cell phone tracking.
Their satellites can distinguish two different leaves from two different species, because they detect so many different wavelengths of light, giving them a metric shitton of colors to distinguish things by.
They know exactly if the camouflaged helmet is a helmet or a natural leaf.
So yeah they probably know exactly what's going on on the ground, probably better than Putin even.
That last part I find, is scary; Its almost parallel to the "King George IV and the Rothchilds thing" during the Napoleonic wars after Waterloo. Where the Rothchilds were the first to learn of the victory there as soon as Napoleon was defeated by the Duke of Wellington. 1-2 weeks before King George, himself learned of it.
The 3D reconstruction part might be going a bit too far there. Don’t see why they would need one when a 2D map with notes on the side is enough for most cases. the only time recently I’ve heard of them using a 3D model was when they found out where bin laden was
This is the most braindead take I've ever seen. My brother in christ, this isn't COD or Ace Combat. The US military can barely adopt a new rifle, or develop a plane without it costing a trillion dollars (or teach women how to fly it) and you're incinuating that tactical or even strategic commanders have literal movie tier "3D world display" technology at their fingertips
@@D00000T Yeah maybe, all I know is that it's technically possible today and I believe it would be extremely useful.
And yeah the 2D version is pretty much a no-brainer for them to have, but they probably had something like that for 20 years... I mean Google Earth was a spin off of a CIA tool, can't remember I think around 2005 or so. All public information.
You could:
•see through buildings
•highlight all enemies around you through walls automatically
•reconstruct points of interest (btw there was some malware some years ago that hacked your phone camera and created a 3D map of your house, so yeah. Although it was pretty crude at the time)
•conduct precision strikes at anyone with things such as that whacky sword bomb
Just watch "Waymo's AI Recreates San Francisco From 2.8 Million Photos! 🚘" If you don't believe it is technically possible. That could easily be scaled indefinitely with the numbers of nodes you have.
They have some of the smartest programmers in the world working for them, the funding and the will, so I think they could pull it off.
If I had to do it, I'd basically create a static 3D google earth/street view, that incorporates all pictures on Google/Apple/Facebook private and public.
Then you find live sources, if you don't have their location data (most of the time you will), you just match a few frames more expensively until you get a reasonably good location. Then projecting the images into the 3D space is cheaper compationally.
You could train a machine learning algorithm to do inference between frames to get a reasonably good and smooth motion.
It'll probably be a few hundreds to thousands of seconds behind the real world, but still, better than nothing.
Never mind combining all the most useful data you have aside from that, like all the og cell tower tracking with the cm accuracy of modern cell towers.
High speed 5G and Google tracking through WiFi SSIDs is pretty much 3D tracking anyway.
Then there's the whole tracking people through walls with wifi paper. If you could compromise any WiFi AP you wanted, it'd allow you to approximately place any living person with their range, the more APs the more accurately. Sort of like in the Dark Knight actually. With some sensible limits of course, due to interference and whatever.
It'd be pretty useful to calculate civilians/fighters in the area.
And if you integrate all these different data sources, you could get much improved accuracy.
They probably have a search engine like Google Maps where they put in the name of some military assets and it finds and displays 90% of them on the map.
The whole system is continuously trained in a supervised way by human intelligence analyst input, making it more accurate day by day.
Anyway lots of incoherent rambling, I'm not that good a programmer and I know it's possible and have a rough idea how you'd do it. If I have this idea, they probably had it 20 years ago.
But I think compute capacity is just now at a point where something like this would be actually feasible.
@@tzardnickolasthelitromanov You just need boatloads of money, influence, a distinct lack of morals and you too could know everything before anyone else!
Non-native Russian speaker here. Before the invasion almost all smartphones got confiscated, I believe a clause in the contract required so, and it explains the lack of videos from first days of invasion. Very few got their own smartphones crossing the border, but once in Ukraine, some bought locally, some stole the phones and hilarity of artillery strikes by phone locations ensued.
I think this will make a lot of news later, and get people thinking about this technology.
a new era of smarter devices and dumber people seems closer than ever....
Bad assumption that Russian soldiers are well trained 😉
1:19 wasn’t expecting to see Hori, my dude is a man of culture.
I live in PA, the Amish often do use cellphones, they just circumvent the rules my not having it in their names or using social media.
When I lived in an occupied area I saw how they're using old cellphones with physical buttons or some satellite cellphones. It was Kharkiv region, summer 2022
Ok, I can explain to you why we had to use phones here. There are different groups in ukraine like rosgvardiya which is not even part of ministry of defense and is like police, then there are some special operation units, chechen batalion etc. And each of this groups was equipped separately and all of them got different types of walkie-talkie, and they cant be used to talk to each other(they use different encrypted frequencies I guess). So if you have rosgvardiya next to you and you are not sure who you see at the moment, or you need some cooperation you just have to call them by phone
why were they equipped separately? Because nobody planned this war I guess, and theres no need for such different branches to cooperate on encrypted frequencies in other cases. Or just incompetence, never wave that off
"nonononono, YOU misunderstand." 😄
We can literally listen in on their phone calls, and there are still people saying it's all fake lmao. They're basically like those letters from previous wars.
They should start laying out bait phones and computers that can read and report stuff like location, weather, and other id info.
"military trained" about the russian invading forces is an overstatement
military trained...
for a few weeks in a decadent and declining society...
Ukranian armies have this problem too. They even gave away a base location and they got promptly struck.
source
People arent used to the concept of having a dedicated media device for running movies, music, and content offline and running off of storage.
We haven't had to use tech that old, not just in manufacturing date, but old in principle
In such a long time.
People must have forgotten you can do that.
Hush, don't tell them!
To give some more information.
At the start of the whole thing in Ukraine, right before everything started, you could see a big dip in cellphone service because they turned off their phones.
They do things like that, but russia has big problems with secure long range communication. In the Georgia conflict I think you had at least one account of a russian commander asking a journalist to use their phone to call tge private cellphone of his soldiers on the front and one of a russian commander flying in a helicopter to the front to deliver orders.
Capitalize your R's in 'Russia', bro
@@SashaFYI since 2014 it's russia as for now.
@@SashaFYI Who cares?
Yo dawg :0 I totally forgot about that meme.
Btw most smartphones gives off a signal even after its powerd off, what you want is one of thoose cobber wire cages that block all signals i belive its called a ferraday cage or something, but I for one enjoi thinking of my goverment having to look at me diddeling myself
This funny situation also have happened with KGB guys, who tried to poison Navalny. After the incident, he used some specific tracking things with cell phones, black market and such to track them and confirm, that that were they!