I’ve been considering that one since smaller Android phones are becoming quite rare these days, but 3 inches are overkill, lol. Their battery is also a little difficult to replace, simply due to the form factor.
Okay, but the Wing is genuinly a Phone I was strongly considering at one point. I think the only reason I didn't get it was because of like carrier support or something like that (or possibly price).
I actually really liked it except for some of the complaints about right at the hinge (connection? where it swings out?). Honestly, I wish they had continued to work on it, but I suppose folding phones can do some of the same, plus others (but have problems with foldables, too)
I'm on the same, I mostly watch videos anyways and having not handle my phone in horizontal anytime I want to watch and switch been vertical apps would be amazing. Unfortunately since its a 2020 phone its pretty much long gone and detoriating in Android support. I really want someone else to make a flip phone like that.
You are not alone! The Wing was my last phone and it was my favorite in a LONG time. I still have it and even use it for games sometimes! It's sooooo nice to be able to have oldschool runescape on the big screen and a quest guide on the small one! Honestly the only reason i upgraded was the lower end hardware. I could BARELY play Pokemon ORAS on Citra on the Wing, while my galaxy s23 gets like 3x the framerate and does it without getting warm
I'm sitting here thinking, "Wow, that sucks that Chrome OS is becoming the default for the next generation of kids." Then Linus mentions the year of Linux on the desktop, and I'm immediately like, "Oh, maybe this could be a good thing."
@@crashdude7589 In a LOT of schools, they already are. Despite many of the one's I've seen being freaking MORE expensive than a good mid-level i5 PC notebook.
I don't think it is a good thing. We already have a huge problem with Google leading the browser market with chrome. Now imagine they put the act together and provide a reliable ChromeOS which is standardized and really developer friendly. All the software would be made for it and probably on some proprietary libraries of Google.
The fairphone definitely didn't feel like the interesting option. We already know what to expect and we can pretty much already imagine the video it will result in, which will be something like 'love the repairability but would've benefited from a few modern features'. Meanwhile, who knows whether by using it Linus could find an use for the LG Wing, or get used to its shape. It'd definitely make for a way more interesting review & retrospective because it has chances, though still weak, of deviating from the expected 'this is bad and that's all there is to it' video.
That’s where I’m at, and why I voted for the wing. I think it’s a little odd for some people to act like the wing is uninteresting, when at the end of the day the Fairphone boils down to being like, a solid midrange with great repairability, while the wing is a legitimately unique form factor
@@MorganTheGorgon Fairphone isn't even solid low range imo. It's SOC is an industrial chip, not snapdragon. Good for longevity, poor on everything else. All its got going is repairability and long support lifespan. But the phone will probably barely function by its 8th year of support
@@MrDummyisDumbI was interested in Linus trying to daily drive one of ASUS ZenPhones personally or a iPhone 15 Pro Max unironically. Fairphone I also didn’t care about personally
I’m also looking for a new phone, fairphone was high on my list. I was sooo excited to see he may do a proper daily driver review on it, but yall had to run it
I voted for the LG Wing. Didn't even do it as a meme, I just legitimately thought it was a really unique and interesting phone. I also had an LG V20 as my second-most-recent phone and liked it.
LG was good while it lasted... last phone LG G2 (after i got Pixel 3XL --> Samsung S22 (partly due to local telecom non-availability and QA issue rumors for pixel 6 ) ) IMO LG was relatively bloat free, but damn does it have some QA issues... ( and also a PITA to root, like most android OEMs. tho that one is a true PITA, since you need a particular model and software to be able to root (IIRC) )
I had an LG Wing for 2 years. It was easily the best phone I had. Urgonomics were on point, the ability to have two screens was a game changer, and the gimbal mode with the camera was great if you knew how to utilize it. I encourage Linus to try this phone given how overlooked it was as it truely was something completely unqiue and something like it will probably never be made again. Also, content wise the Wing makes for some good content as I personally couldn't give a ___ over another brick as someone who has been watching for years. At least the wing is different and from someone who had it, it was truely an underrated device.
I'm a cs major and am occasionally surprised to see chromebooks in the wild at my university. One of my friends (non-cs major) has gone through a couple during her degree, and just keeps buying new ones b/c they do what she needs and aren't expensive. I met at least one CS major who had a chromebook for taking the class, the chromebook worked fine for class and any time they needed to do something more intense they'd just remote into their home PC or the university's linux server. Linus and Luke are absolutely right in how the introduction of Chromebooks in schools has led to a generation of casual (and sometimes more than casual) computer users just sticking with them. It's the same approach Texas Instruments took to get everyone using TI-84s rather than the much faster casios.
At my university, I’ve probably not seen more than one Chromebook. The most popular laptops seem to be M1 MacBook Airs and Frameworks, which kinda makes sense for CS students. Also, how short-lived are Chromebooks that you can get “through a couple” during a degree? My last laptop lasted me 5 years.
@@ThePC007 I think it's less that the Chromebooks are short lived and more that non-tech people (especially in college) are just less careful with their tech, and since Chromebooks are cheaper, they actually have the funds to replace them when they get damaged instead of just rolling with a cracked screen or whatever. For me personally I could never do this, like you I've been using the same Macbook for last 4 years and plan to keep using it for as long as I can. It's wild to me that you've seen frameworks out in the wild, though. Even as a CS major, I've never encountered one. Most CS majors here use a gaming laptop or a Macbook of some kind (unix backend + native ms office support probably informs this).
@@valegory Yeah, admittedly I don’t really like upgrading my tech unless I have to. I’ve just recently upgraded my smartphone to an Xcover 5. The previous phone was a ten-year-old Galaxy Note II, lol, and I only upgraded because WhatsApp is dropping support for Android 4. I understand that I’m very much an outlier in that regard. Still, I’d expect someone to not go through more than two laptops during a single degree. But yeah, maybe their low price makes people careless with them. Frankly, I was somewhat surprised to see Frameworks in the wild as well, given that it’s such a small company, but at the same time, if Linus from LTT invests in it and absolutely everyone who studies CS knows him, you’d expect them to be pretty popular among tech literate people.
I actually did the same remoting in from Chrome OS. It was.... an experience. I would not buy another. The amount of time the Linux environment would just break....
Honestly I think a good compromize would be to do the Wing for a month or so and then switch to the Fairphone after. The Wing was an interesting phone, but it feels somewhat pointless to spend too much time with it since LG is out of the phone market. So, it would be kind of interesting to have a retrospective on what was good and interesting about it and then go into the Fairphone to see how that device is for a daily driver.
LG wing was the first phone I thought of for this review because it's a phone I was genuinely interested in getting but never pulled the trigger on and is like to know your take
Luke's story about his dad at the altar is one of the funniest LTT moments I have ever heard. I genuinely laughed out loud completely uncontrolled at work. That sounds like something I would do. Thanks, Luke.
The chromebooks thing in schools is mainly America. For example here in Czechia and I am pretty sure in other countries in Europe too still use Windows desktops. Windows is required because Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Corel (cheaper Photoshop) are still teached which don't exist or exist in worse form on chromebooks.
word, excel, and powerpoint all have great alternatives on chromeOS. Google docs, sheets, and slides are REALLY fully featured, and ever since switching fully to them i havent found anything wanting, despite growing up with only MS products my entire life. However, the single only reason schools in America and Canada use chromebooks is becuase google gives them out like candy. I helped teachers order new ones when i was a tech support assistant back in high school, and each chromebook we got was insanely cheap. we had these pretty nice i3 models from dell with touchscreens and ruggedized casings, and they cost a grand total of 25 dollars a piece. You cant pass that by as a publicly funded school that is basically ignored by the government when it comes to anything beyond "do they have chalkboards? yes? good enough"
Modern Xperia phones are pretty close to what linus loke from the note 9. No notch/cutout, headphone jack, dual sim/sd+sim. Also run a pretty clean version of Android. My Xperia 5 ii is my favorite phone ive owned since the galaxy s5
Microsoft losing an entire generation is such a valid point. I teach ComputerScience at a normal german school. None of them can execute basic tasks on Windows. Especially for office work, that will be really interesting!
Not just the young generation. I've been hesitant to jump on Android, with absolutely 0 experience with it - I daily drove Symbian till it's last device, since it was a pretty much a pocket PC once rooted. But my point is, ever since I went with Oneplus, no bloat etc, I have barely touched my laptop.
To be fair that is nothing new. I went to school in germany around 15 years ago, and 80%+ of my classmates had no idea about doing anything on pc as well. And I wouldn't be to sure if Microsoft is loosing to much there. Once those kids go into the workforce, they'll get stuck with Microsoft products for office again, and possibly Windows or MacOS for whatever specialised software that is in use. Plus chromebooks kind of have the problem of shops that only focus on beeing cheap. Chromebooks are so basic and simplyfied, anyone who uses one can easily switch to something else as they usualy use no specialised features that would lock them in. They can cost to an extend on people beeing used tl them, but the moment something comes up that encourages them to switch there is no stickyness to chromebooks.
I think the school thing is a double edges sword. the school will buy the cheapest thing they can to save money. chromebooks in schools on average are crazy slow, super cheap feeling, and will die in 5 years. students HATE chromebooks because they're slow and cheap from their experience. it especially sucks because some schools will take away the perfectly functioning laptops that are actually faster running windows, and replace them with cheap crappy chromebooks, as well as the teachers not really liking them because they have to completely upend their teaching plan to something different, sometimes mid-simester.
In defence of people voting for the Wing, I don't think the lot of them are meme votes. To compare it to something similar, I think there's a reason that videos on foldables do so well. It's is because they're such a wildly different form factor from what we expect from smart phones, and it is interesting to see how they operate, even if it's something that most people wouldn't use themselves. Seeing how you used your Fold 3 was interesting because you used it for longer than just a short review window, and gave updates on use in the long term. People wanna know things like: How does it hold up structurally? Are the features actually useable in day-to-day life or are they just flashy gimmicks? And is it more or less convenient compared to a normal phone? I think these reasons are why it would be cool to see someone daily drive the Wing. Sorry it had to be you though 😆
it's the 1st time I hear of LG Wing and it's actually looking nice, I like this form factor and would genuinely be interested to see it tested out. It makes more sense than foldables to me actually
I've been using one for over 2 years at this point, and in truth a folding phone is (book style) would be much more useful. That said, the main use I've found with the swivel screen is being able to hold your phone normally while viewing videos and pictures in landscape. Highly underrated feature. The whole multitasking thing is not as useful as people made it out to be in the marketing.
Linus is missing one major thing about chromeOS in schools. Students fcking *hate* school chromebooks. IT staff and school districts buy the cheapest most disposable chromebooks to fill the chromebook carts because these days every single classroom needs one. Honestly when kids go to buy computers in high school their first thought is “anything but the sh*t we’re using in school.” It’s like how cheap budget android phones cheapen the “android” brand for people whose only interaction has been through that lens. With chromebooks their only interaction with chromeOS has been through an incredibly slow dual core, 2 GB of memory device that has all kinds of content restricts that it just _barely_ works as a web browsing device. Another thing I think linus fails to note is how mainstream gaming is with Gen Z.
Back in the early 2000s I think most people I knew at least had 1 PC in their household. And at the time the "nerds" often had multiple PCs but instead of having a ton of screens it was common with KVM. So both me and my dad had multiple PCs but we only had one monitor each. Quite the contrast with todays statistics. I think everyone I know today has one PC per person in the household laptops included and now the nerds often have more screens than PCs.
Screens only take up a fraction of the physical space that desktops do these days, desktops are bigger, but not always by much, eg; my case is ATX but similarly sized to the old off-white towers I used to use in the 90s (lighter than them as well) When it became cheaper to manafacture and to buy these screens and they were more space efficient than the desktop is when we shifted from KVM to multi-monitor setups. I honestly wonder why we don't design the iGPUs for handling multi monitor set ups more and leaving the dedicated/discreete GPU for purely 3D rendering and encode/decode.
I've been using the LG wing for years and it's my favourite phone I've owned especially as an Uber driver. The second screen being used for media while the main is used for navigation has been a godsend considering how annoying the Uber app can be as it takes up the entire screen
My dream phone was the LG wing and I got laid off from LG shortly before I got my new free work phone. So for a long time I wanted the wing (honestly still do but software ups to kill it). I wish a new company would make a wing like phone
13:00 my first PC was from my dads work. They where replacing their old computers for newer models and unlike these days the old ones would just be sold of to the employees at a substantial discount. After all they where already written off as a business expense anyways. That's the only reason we could afford a pc somewhat "ahead" of the curve.
The thing about classrooms resonated with me too. We had Macs and Windows desktops at my school, but the Macs just felt like they were from the future while the Windows machines had all the XP themeing disabled plain blue backgrounds etc. and who would've guessed it, I'm now a software dev who uses Apple...
i used windows 11. its was a s### show. run 2 differen python version? sorry choose its location manualy. copy a file? NOPE i will just crash. drivers? more like drive away. now i use debian
@@furdiburd MS is just throwing darts and see what sticks these days and to see what they could get away with... ever since Win 8, they are on tightropes balancing between going mobile and desktop, before switching to open source, and then going all in on the TPM
@@furdiburd If you're dumb enough to not drive 11 adequately, then debian is going to be way beyond you too. 11 has issues (the whole new UI for one) but seriously, what you described simply isn't an issue if you have any idea of what you're doing. You ought to run a mac, they will hold your hand so tightly you can't do anything.
@@furdiburd yeah sorry, thats a you issue, not a windows one. functionally 11 and 10 are barely different. Yes you have to chose a different location if you want to run 2 versions of the same damn program... THEY WILL INSTALL TO THE SAME PLACEv BY DEFAULT. As for the fle system crash, Lol, Lmao, cope harder, thats a hardware issue, you probably forced win 11 onto some pc that can barely run it. 99% of similar crashes are due to BS like that.
@@marcusborderlands6177 maybe right with same program. but cmon i just want something that dont crash and dont uninstall its drivers every time its update. actualy my pc is a ryzen 7 5800x3d with a rx 6700. i think that can "run" winblows 11
23:00 - The older Samsung S7 and above aged really well in terms of hardware quality. Their build quality is so premium that even to this day they feel extremely premium. Not my main phone but I have a small S9 with custom ROMs Android 13 with Pixel UI on it and its stupidly smooth and the screen is still so damn beautiful, it's still a joy to use. If you get into custom roms, old galaxy S phones are amazing as a cheap good phone to get. I'm sure that any S22 Ultra and newer will still feel amazing to use in 10 years. Those screens will just forever be beautiful. And now Samsung updates them for a long time too.
Can relate to this. My Note 8 has aged fairly well, still holds a decent charge. It's not my main anymore but I'm planning on changing the battery and installing a custom rom to make it a backup auth device.
I use the LG wing, Linus is here refusing an old phones from a closed company. But he did not even cover it when it did come out, nor have i personally seen him ever mention or give it a chance.
Headphone jack? My battery lasts more than long enough to just use wireless, and wired just fits with an adapter I got with my phone. It doesn’t leave my headphones.
This is such a good idea, love that the Wing might win. Used to love LG and remember linus notoriously disliking LG in the past haha. Would be great to see him use their last phone. Was considering to buy a Wing for £280 just for the sake of it lol
I was tempted to get a wing when my phone (G8x with dual screen case) was up for replacement shortly after it came out, but then LG announced they were pulling out of the phone business, and I ended up going for a fold 3 (Since moved to a fold 5).
The fairphone is not the most interesting option because we already know that the review will end uplike the early framework laptop reviews whereas the Wing was a genuinely unique phone that will provide an interesting set up for the review
@@GH0STST4RSCR34M Same. I have a S23 Ultra now and don't get me wrong I like it, but it still just doesn't feel the same. The 8 and 9 series were the best phones ever produced.
I think you might be pleasantly surprised by the Wing. It was an actual shame LG left the market after this. Would have liked to see a surface 2 duo also.
One thing I need to say, is that my OnePlus n200 has never had any if the issues you talk about, the only problem is the fingerprint sensor not recognizing or the phone slowing down when running some apps, but not really that bad.
@12:22, my highschool had iMac’s and Mac Pro’s for the CAD/MultiMedia computer rooms. They were light years better than the Vista-laden Dell laptops. It is 100% the reason why I bought a Mac for undergrad and beyond.
if the lg wing is what i think it is. I cant belive you linus. the lg wing is literally the phone that Iron man used in the 1st movie before he got exploded by the IED's he helped make but like Futurised's for us.
22:03 I've had those phantom touches happen on a few phones because of bad chargers, sometimes it doesn't even have to be the phone charger, but some other wall-wart plugged on the same extension or even just nearby; oh, and I had an USB fan that also caused similar issues just being nearby. I've had that happen a few times on a phone that got moist (used it with wet hands, or in the rain, or left it in the bathoom during a shower in weather that made the bathroom extremely misty etc); in those cases, it got better after drying (not just outside, I imagine moisture got inside or at least underneath the screen protector).
Chromebook’s are how I learned about Linux. On the older chrome books idk about the newer ones you could access the shell and run Ubuntu on it because I believe chrome os is based on Ubuntu but I could definitely be wrong
If the Wing wins the poll fair and square and Linus finds some loophole out of it, I'm unsubscribing. We didn't expect this phone to win because it (and LG) have just fallen by the wayside in terms of media attention. You can talk about the reasons why it failed endlessly, but as a standalone product, it tickles my enthusiast brain like no other. It's a phone with extra screen real estate, but it doesn't have a plastic folding screen, its full glass all the way. It functions perfectly as a regular slab when closed, yet is still one-handable when open. My use case was to watch fullscreen TH-cam videos while on Discord and it performs that role admirably. One of the absolutely unique selling points is that you can have the keyboard on the bottom screen with landscape content on the top, and it does not cover up anything at all. It's a brilliant remote desktop device, and I would be very unhappy if Linus passed over it simply because he thought it was "a meme".
shouldeve unsubbed ages ago.... people forgotten about the poll that happened for the linux challenge where gentoo was pinned to be a potential choice......
I am actually daily driving a fairtrade phone (not fairphone but the german equivalent called shift phone) and I'm super happy with it. I was one of the people who voted for the fairphone because I really like the concept and I think it deserves more attention. kinda sad if it doesn't happen... PS: I was actually considering voting for the pixle fold instead because I think it's the phone you (linus) will be the most happy with. But that would have been boring xP PPS: Note 9 definitely was the peak of samsung engineering... Didn't own it myself but one of my best friends did for years and it's just great.
Can't wait to see it the video on it. It will be great to see how broken a phone gets when the company stops supporting it. Even more so with the wing since how unique it is and how many apps don't support the feature anymore.
I am talking about Second Screen apps, AKA the major selling point of the phone. Most apps UI are completely broken in it now. Spotify is completely unusable on the second screen and many apps are like that now.
My rant with big phones is that while I don't mind flagships use them, the fact that it's hard to find even a normal quality smaller phone is annoying, and also the fact that they took away the phone jack because of the lack of space should be invalidated with phones getting bigger.
Review the phone that seems like it would be better for you, and those watching the channel in the long run. Dont review the wing because of views and people voting for it because they think it will be bad.
as someone who just saw the fairphone 4 at my local electronics store and getting the 5 on backorder i'm really interrested in the fp5 review, just for the fact that he's gonna complain about the back button which can't be switched from left to right
Admittedly it’s been a couple years since I graduated high school (2020) but when I was there school provided chromebooks were already very common and everyone hated them
In a previous podcast I had wondered why Linus' phone looked to beaten up. In this podcast I have seen him either smash it against the table or throw it theee times. Now I see what happened.
Regarding failing phones, my old OnePlus 3T started to randomly reboot sporadically. This also happened while on the way to the airport, with the ticket only on the phone, but that time the built-in launcher kept failing in a loop. So basically without a home screen to start apps or access the settings, I managed to quickly start the play store and install an alternative launcher. This made the phone usable again, although the home button no longer worked. With some creativity, it's possible to use with only the back button - it's not very fun, however. I later performed a factory reset via the OS, which caused the phone to be stuck booting with the animation playing at a fraction of the normal speed. After a factory reset via the recovery mode, everything worked normally again. I did get a Fairphone 4, nonetheless 😅
The fear of that exact thing happening to me is why I still print out every ticket. It's also one of the reasons why I want to switch back from using a smartphone-based pay-per-distance subscription to public transport to something paper-based again. I did have my smartphone crash and reboot while riding the subway once, but to their credit, the app still kept track of my route and billed me correctly. The other reason is that the app can take an awful amount of time to process a ride and I HATE it when I sit at home an hour after I've been on the subway and the non-removable notification that they're currently processing my ride STILL lingers on my phone! 🤬 I still probably won't switch though because there's no tariff that's even close in price/performance for how little I travel on public transport... 😪
@@LRM12o8 Two more reasons why paper-based is better: it doesn't run out of battery and you can't accidentally start an update that takes an hour to optimize 100+ apps. For long-distance trains there used to be a pay-per-distance option for a while in my country but they gave it up, so there's no drawback with the paper tickets. For municipal/regional public transport, it's also the same price AFAIK, and there are 4x-tickets that are a little cheaper than for single fare tickets. I do miss the convenience of only paying what I used and always the cheapest tariff
Just use the fairphone. Ignore the LG Wing, its basically a meme. The fairphone is the actual non-meme winner. This is also a good chance to actually test the fairphone instead of giving the spot to a dead brand.
When Linus first announced his intentions to switch to a phone that the viewers most voted for, this kind of bullcrap is exactly what I have anticipated, it'd be fun content, just like his month with Windows Mobile back in 2013. I had been expecting a phone with a bonkers design from back in those days, like the yotaphone or something but LG Wing delivers on the hilarious factor
The only problem with the LG Wing was that it was a 1st generation device without a laptop t of thirs party support. The idea itself is actually really cool and had a lot of potential.
I 100% became a Mac user because that’s what our elementary school had in 2000. They elected to go with Gateway in 2005, right before they went bankrupt. All of their active warranties were invalidated when they filed for bankruptcy and those machines were absolute garbage.
I think the Wing would have sold fine. I certainly wanted one. The company went bust shortly after it came out, which killed it, but even before that, none of the carriers in Ontario had it on contract. You couldn't get one unless you bought an unlocked device. 99% percent of people don't even know what an unlocked phone is, they just pick a phone from the list that Bell / Rogers offers.
I worked cell sales for a decade. Always been an android guy. But no matter the phone, if they had something old, and were overall happy with it, I usually steered them to the newer version of whatever they already had, because clearly they didn't mind their 5yo phone and anything new will be miles better.
Disagree somewhat with the ChromeOS argument. I know family's children who consider the school ChromeOS device as 'the boring school device'. It's in a lot of hands, but not convinced it's seen as a replacement for a proper desktop or laptop. Not as of writing this anyway.
Direct Democracy is only practically functional when all participants also have direct accountability. And the Internet happens to be very bad at accountability.
Id really appreciate if the fairfone used screws and a metal back like a laptop instead of a clip on plastic back. Plastic backs broke all the time and felt like crap.
I want Luke to either be stuck with Linus using a wing or use the fairphone and do a review on it just so Linus has to deal with the torment that he's not using the wing
ive got an LG V60 with the dual screen, and i absolutely love that phone. such a good phone. i wish they'd keep on that design and just refresh with new hardware.
I was looking at the fairphone, but the hole in the display is a deal breaker for me, especially as it it has a bezel where they could have put the camera. Shame.
asking internet to do democracy = boaty mcboatface
The Adolf Hitler School of Friendship and Acceptance
and a certain mountain dew flavor that shall not be named...
Yeet cannon 9
Or a bridge @@randomcrandoface2363
Ok that's a great name
Luke: "It's because they think it'll be horrible"
Linus: "That can't be the only reason!"
So cute seeing a TH-cam star's first day on the internet.
LG wing is needlessly over engineered and I fucking love it.
He nailed his own grave by telling them to do something. They'll 100% go wing
Nailed his grave? 🤔
It's like he doesn't know a thing about the internet.
Dug his own coffin, I say.
@@mishradwaithow tf do you dig a coffin?
@@Redwan777With a Shovel-axe
A series of Linus and Luke just trying weird phones for a month in the style of the intel/amd gpu switch videos would be great
Yes, buy Luke a phone Linus you’ll definitely make your money back.
Yeah lol
there is some old video like this with lumia and blackbarry
After over a decade of doing this, Linus should have damn well seen this coming from light years away.
He did, he even planned it in advance
He actually got Lucky. The Unihertz Jelly Star was also quite far up in the rankings.
Honestly that would've been funnier
That sounds like a sex toy. WTF is that?
World's smallest Android 13 phone@@TheOmegaRiddler
Oh wow! This looks like something I'd like. Thanks for bringing it up
I’ve been considering that one since smaller Android phones are becoming quite rare these days, but 3 inches are overkill, lol. Their battery is also a little difficult to replace, simply due to the form factor.
Oh I did vote Fairphone and saw it winning. But LG Wing might be too funny NOT to support. I'm going to go change my vote.
Wing won-g
Same really
Luke gets the Fairphone, Linus gets the wing
He bought a pixel 8 pro.
Linus was really like "with these rules there's no way I can lose" to THE INTERNET 😂
I love how Dan delivered that argument. The organs of younger phones.
Linus expecting his community to take this seriously and not immediately try to make it a joke is actually so funny
it's democracy right?
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People falling for Linus pretending he didn't want the community to jump in on this to get him extra clicks is so funny
Okay, but the Wing is genuinly a Phone I was strongly considering at one point. I think the only reason I didn't get it was because of like carrier support or something like that (or possibly price).
I actually really liked it except for some of the complaints about right at the hinge (connection? where it swings out?). Honestly, I wish they had continued to work on it, but I suppose folding phones can do some of the same, plus others (but have problems with foldables, too)
LG still makes phones?
I'm on the same, I mostly watch videos anyways and having not handle my phone in horizontal anytime I want to watch and switch been vertical apps would be amazing. Unfortunately since its a 2020 phone its pretty much long gone and detoriating in Android support.
I really want someone else to make a flip phone like that.
@@agc2801not anymore
@@acoolrocket fairly sure there's a lineage build for it
Am I the only one that unironically kinda likes the LG Wing? It's more interesting than most other phones out there
When it launched its specs were years behind the competition. But I agree, way more interesting than anything else
@@petrical8460 Yeah but the screen go whee
You're not. I get *so many responses* when I'm out and about when people see my LG Wing.
It's perfect when I'm traveling or on vacation.
You are not alone! The Wing was my last phone and it was my favorite in a LONG time. I still have it and even use it for games sometimes! It's sooooo nice to be able to have oldschool runescape on the big screen and a quest guide on the small one!
Honestly the only reason i upgraded was the lower end hardware. I could BARELY play Pokemon ORAS on Citra on the Wing, while my galaxy s23 gets like 3x the framerate and does it without getting warm
I'm still rocking mine! The reactions I get are hilarious.
I'm sitting here thinking, "Wow, that sucks that Chrome OS is becoming the default for the next generation of kids." Then Linus mentions the year of Linux on the desktop, and I'm immediately like, "Oh, maybe this could be a good thing."
Sure let's make sure they grow up becoming complete tech reta*** 😂
@chunye215 yeah if chromeos became standard
@@chunye215already are.
@@crashdude7589 In a LOT of schools, they already are. Despite many of the one's I've seen being freaking MORE expensive than a good mid-level i5 PC notebook.
I don't think it is a good thing. We already have a huge problem with Google leading the browser market with chrome. Now imagine they put the act together and provide a reliable ChromeOS which is standardized and really developer friendly. All the software would be made for it and probably on some proprietary libraries of Google.
The fairphone definitely didn't feel like the interesting option. We already know what to expect and we can pretty much already imagine the video it will result in, which will be something like 'love the repairability but would've benefited from a few modern features'. Meanwhile, who knows whether by using it Linus could find an use for the LG Wing, or get used to its shape. It'd definitely make for a way more interesting review & retrospective because it has chances, though still weak, of deviating from the expected 'this is bad and that's all there is to it' video.
That’s where I’m at, and why I voted for the wing. I think it’s a little odd for some people to act like the wing is uninteresting, when at the end of the day the Fairphone boils down to being like, a solid midrange with great repairability, while the wing is a legitimately unique form factor
@@MorganTheGorgon Fairphone isn't even solid low range imo. It's SOC is an industrial chip, not snapdragon. Good for longevity, poor on everything else. All its got going is repairability and long support lifespan. But the phone will probably barely function by its 8th year of support
@@MrDummyisDumbI was interested in Linus trying to daily drive one of ASUS ZenPhones personally or a iPhone 15 Pro Max unironically.
Fairphone I also didn’t care about personally
I’m also looking for a new phone, fairphone was high on my list. I was sooo excited to see he may do a proper daily driver review on it, but yall had to run it
@@MrDummyisDumbits SOC is GOOD. its just an enterprise editon for longer support. it have a very good midrange perfomance
I voted for the LG Wing. Didn't even do it as a meme, I just legitimately thought it was a really unique and interesting phone. I also had an LG V20 as my second-most-recent phone and liked it.
LG was good while it lasted... last phone LG G2 (after i got Pixel 3XL --> Samsung S22 (partly due to local telecom non-availability and QA issue rumors for pixel 6 ) )
IMO LG was relatively bloat free, but damn does it have some QA issues... ( and also a PITA to root, like most android OEMs. tho that one is a true PITA, since you need a particular model and software to be able to root (IIRC) )
I wish the last LG dual screen accessory phones could've made the list, like the G8x or the V60
I had the LG V10 and loved it until it bootlooped on me and couldn't root it anymore after sending it in for repairs
V20 goated
LG really had some nice designs
I'm sharing Linus' opinion about the note 9 but for my LG G6. I can't find anything today with the same features for a reasonable price... ❤LG
Linus hasn't watched Internet Historian's video on polls.
I had an LG Wing for 2 years. It was easily the best phone I had. Urgonomics were on point, the ability to have two screens was a game changer, and the gimbal mode with the camera was great if you knew how to utilize it. I encourage Linus to try this phone given how overlooked it was as it truely was something completely unqiue and something like it will probably never be made again. Also, content wise the Wing makes for some good content as I personally couldn't give a ___ over another brick as someone who has been watching for years. At least the wing is different and from someone who had it, it was truely an underrated device.
I'm still using it and the v60
I'm a cs major and am occasionally surprised to see chromebooks in the wild at my university. One of my friends (non-cs major) has gone through a couple during her degree, and just keeps buying new ones b/c they do what she needs and aren't expensive. I met at least one CS major who had a chromebook for taking the class, the chromebook worked fine for class and any time they needed to do something more intense they'd just remote into their home PC or the university's linux server.
Linus and Luke are absolutely right in how the introduction of Chromebooks in schools has led to a generation of casual (and sometimes more than casual) computer users just sticking with them. It's the same approach Texas Instruments took to get everyone using TI-84s rather than the much faster casios.
At my university, I’ve probably not seen more than one Chromebook. The most popular laptops seem to be M1 MacBook Airs and Frameworks, which kinda makes sense for CS students.
Also, how short-lived are Chromebooks that you can get “through a couple” during a degree? My last laptop lasted me 5 years.
@@ThePC007 I think it's less that the Chromebooks are short lived and more that non-tech people (especially in college) are just less careful with their tech, and since Chromebooks are cheaper, they actually have the funds to replace them when they get damaged instead of just rolling with a cracked screen or whatever. For me personally I could never do this, like you I've been using the same Macbook for last 4 years and plan to keep using it for as long as I can.
It's wild to me that you've seen frameworks out in the wild, though. Even as a CS major, I've never encountered one. Most CS majors here use a gaming laptop or a Macbook of some kind (unix backend + native ms office support probably informs this).
@@valegory Yeah, admittedly I don’t really like upgrading my tech unless I have to. I’ve just recently upgraded my smartphone to an Xcover 5. The previous phone was a ten-year-old Galaxy Note II, lol, and I only upgraded because WhatsApp is dropping support for Android 4. I understand that I’m very much an outlier in that regard. Still, I’d expect someone to not go through more than two laptops during a single degree. But yeah, maybe their low price makes people careless with them.
Frankly, I was somewhat surprised to see Frameworks in the wild as well, given that it’s such a small company, but at the same time, if Linus from LTT invests in it and absolutely everyone who studies CS knows him, you’d expect them to be pretty popular among tech literate people.
I actually did the same remoting in from Chrome OS. It was.... an experience. I would not buy another. The amount of time the Linux environment would just break....
Honestly I think a good compromize would be to do the Wing for a month or so and then switch to the Fairphone after.
The Wing was an interesting phone, but it feels somewhat pointless to spend too much time with it since LG is out of the phone market. So, it would be kind of interesting to have a retrospective on what was good and interesting about it and then go into the Fairphone to see how that device is for a daily driver.
If people can see the numbers before the vote closes, they are more likely to tag along joke votes, same if you can vote on multiple options.
LG wing was the first phone I thought of for this review because it's a phone I was genuinely interested in getting but never pulled the trigger on and is like to know your take
Luke's story about his dad at the altar is one of the funniest LTT moments I have ever heard. I genuinely laughed out loud completely uncontrolled at work. That sounds like something I would do. Thanks, Luke.
The chromebooks thing in schools is mainly America. For example here in Czechia and I am pretty sure in other countries in Europe too still use Windows desktops. Windows is required because Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Corel (cheaper Photoshop) are still teached which don't exist or exist in worse form on chromebooks.
word, excel, and powerpoint all have great alternatives on chromeOS. Google docs, sheets, and slides are REALLY fully featured, and ever since switching fully to them i havent found anything wanting, despite growing up with only MS products my entire life.
However, the single only reason schools in America and Canada use chromebooks is becuase google gives them out like candy. I helped teachers order new ones when i was a tech support assistant back in high school, and each chromebook we got was insanely cheap. we had these pretty nice i3 models from dell with touchscreens and ruggedized casings, and they cost a grand total of 25 dollars a piece. You cant pass that by as a publicly funded school that is basically ignored by the government when it comes to anything beyond "do they have chalkboards? yes? good enough"
Modern Xperia phones are pretty close to what linus loke from the note 9. No notch/cutout, headphone jack, dual sim/sd+sim. Also run a pretty clean version of Android. My Xperia 5 ii is my favorite phone ive owned since the galaxy s5
i rotate between a few phones (some from work) but my 1 ii has been absolutely solid.
Microsoft losing an entire generation is such a valid point. I teach ComputerScience at a normal german school. None of them can execute basic tasks on Windows. Especially for office work, that will be really interesting!
Not just the young generation. I've been hesitant to jump on Android, with absolutely 0 experience with it - I daily drove Symbian till it's last device, since it was a pretty much a pocket PC once rooted.
But my point is, ever since I went with Oneplus, no bloat etc, I have barely touched my laptop.
To be fair that is nothing new. I went to school in germany around 15 years ago, and 80%+ of my classmates had no idea about doing anything on pc as well.
And I wouldn't be to sure if Microsoft is loosing to much there. Once those kids go into the workforce, they'll get stuck with Microsoft products for office again, and possibly Windows or MacOS for whatever specialised software that is in use.
Plus chromebooks kind of have the problem of shops that only focus on beeing cheap. Chromebooks are so basic and simplyfied, anyone who uses one can easily switch to something else as they usualy use no specialised features that would lock them in. They can cost to an extend on people beeing used tl them, but the moment something comes up that encourages them to switch there is no stickyness to chromebooks.
Honestly, I want to see Linus daily drive the wing. The phone is unique and cool and deserved some more recognition.
having seen Marques Brownlee's review of it yeah i wanna see it too.
I think the school thing is a double edges sword. the school will buy the cheapest thing they can to save money.
chromebooks in schools on average are crazy slow, super cheap feeling, and will die in 5 years. students HATE chromebooks because they're slow and cheap from their experience. it especially sucks because some schools will take away the perfectly functioning laptops that are actually faster running windows, and replace them with cheap crappy chromebooks, as well as the teachers not really liking them because they have to completely upend their teaching plan to something different, sometimes mid-simester.
In defence of people voting for the Wing, I don't think the lot of them are meme votes.
To compare it to something similar, I think there's a reason that videos on foldables do so well. It's is because they're such a wildly different form factor from what we expect from smart phones, and it is interesting to see how they operate, even if it's something that most people wouldn't use themselves. Seeing how you used your Fold 3 was interesting because you used it for longer than just a short review window, and gave updates on use in the long term. People wanna know things like: How does it hold up structurally? Are the features actually useable in day-to-day life or are they just flashy gimmicks? And is it more or less convenient compared to a normal phone?
I think these reasons are why it would be cool to see someone daily drive the Wing. Sorry it had to be you though 😆
Luke should get whatever comes in second in that thread.
it's the 1st time I hear of LG Wing and it's actually looking nice, I like this form factor and would genuinely be interested to see it tested out. It makes more sense than foldables to me actually
I've been using one for over 2 years at this point, and in truth a folding phone is (book style) would be much more useful. That said, the main use I've found with the swivel screen is being able to hold your phone normally while viewing videos and pictures in landscape. Highly underrated feature. The whole multitasking thing is not as useful as people made it out to be in the marketing.
Linus is missing one major thing about chromeOS in schools. Students fcking *hate* school chromebooks. IT staff and school districts buy the cheapest most disposable chromebooks to fill the chromebook carts because these days every single classroom needs one. Honestly when kids go to buy computers in high school their first thought is “anything but the sh*t we’re using in school.”
It’s like how cheap budget android phones cheapen the “android” brand for people whose only interaction has been through that lens.
With chromebooks their only interaction with chromeOS has been through an incredibly slow dual core, 2 GB of memory device that has all kinds of content restricts that it just _barely_ works as a web browsing device.
Another thing I think linus fails to note is how mainstream gaming is with Gen Z.
"... probably because it's dumb."
"That can't be the only reason"
It's [Social Network].
1:52 - In the words of a famous Internet Historian: Any poll's a goal.
Back in the early 2000s I think most people I knew at least had 1 PC in their household. And at the time the "nerds" often had multiple PCs but instead of having a ton of screens it was common with KVM. So both me and my dad had multiple PCs but we only had one monitor each. Quite the contrast with todays statistics. I think everyone I know today has one PC per person in the household laptops included and now the nerds often have more screens than PCs.
Screens only take up a fraction of the physical space that desktops do these days, desktops are bigger, but not always by much, eg; my case is ATX but similarly sized to the old off-white towers I used to use in the 90s (lighter than them as well)
When it became cheaper to manafacture and to buy these screens and they were more space efficient than the desktop is when we shifted from KVM to multi-monitor setups.
I honestly wonder why we don't design the iGPUs for handling multi monitor set ups more and leaving the dedicated/discreete GPU for purely 3D rendering and encode/decode.
I've been using the LG wing for years and it's my favourite phone I've owned especially as an Uber driver. The second screen being used for media while the main is used for navigation has been a godsend considering how annoying the Uber app can be as it takes up the entire screen
My dream phone was the LG wing and I got laid off from LG shortly before I got my new free work phone. So for a long time I wanted the wing (honestly still do but software ups to kill it).
I wish a new company would make a wing like phone
13:00 my first PC was from my dads work. They where replacing their old computers for newer models and unlike these days the old ones would just be sold of to the employees at a substantial discount. After all they where already written off as a business expense anyways. That's the only reason we could afford a pc somewhat "ahead" of the curve.
The thing about classrooms resonated with me too. We had Macs and Windows desktops at my school, but the Macs just felt like they were from the future while the Windows machines had all the XP themeing disabled plain blue backgrounds etc. and who would've guessed it, I'm now a software dev who uses Apple...
i used windows 11. its was a s### show. run 2 differen python version? sorry choose its location manualy. copy a file? NOPE i will just crash. drivers? more like drive away. now i use debian
@@furdiburd MS is just throwing darts and see what sticks these days and to see what they could get away with...
ever since Win 8, they are on tightropes balancing between going mobile and desktop, before switching to open source, and then going all in on the TPM
@@furdiburd If you're dumb enough to not drive 11 adequately, then debian is going to be way beyond you too. 11 has issues (the whole new UI for one) but seriously, what you described simply isn't an issue if you have any idea of what you're doing. You ought to run a mac, they will hold your hand so tightly you can't do anything.
@@furdiburd yeah sorry, thats a you issue, not a windows one. functionally 11 and 10 are barely different. Yes you have to chose a different location if you want to run 2 versions of the same damn program... THEY WILL INSTALL TO THE SAME PLACEv BY DEFAULT. As for the fle system crash, Lol, Lmao, cope harder, thats a hardware issue, you probably forced win 11 onto some pc that can barely run it. 99% of similar crashes are due to BS like that.
@@marcusborderlands6177 maybe right with same program. but cmon i just want something that dont crash and dont uninstall its drivers every time its update.
actualy my pc is a ryzen 7 5800x3d with a rx 6700. i think that can "run" winblows 11
23:00 - The older Samsung S7 and above aged really well in terms of hardware quality. Their build quality is so premium that even to this day they feel extremely premium. Not my main phone but I have a small S9 with custom ROMs Android 13 with Pixel UI on it and its stupidly smooth and the screen is still so damn beautiful, it's still a joy to use. If you get into custom roms, old galaxy S phones are amazing as a cheap good phone to get.
I'm sure that any S22 Ultra and newer will still feel amazing to use in 10 years. Those screens will just forever be beautiful. And now Samsung updates them for a long time too.
Can relate to this. My Note 8 has aged fairly well, still holds a decent charge. It's not my main anymore but I'm planning on changing the battery and installing a custom rom to make it a backup auth device.
I use the LG wing,
Linus is here refusing an old phones from a closed company. But he did not even cover it when it did come out, nor have i personally seen him ever mention or give it a chance.
Headphone jack? My battery lasts more than long enough to just use wireless, and wired just fits with an adapter I got with my phone. It doesn’t leave my headphones.
Linus please give the form factor a chance. It genuinely looks super cool to use
I can't believe Linus is now a monarchist.
This is such a good idea, love that the Wing might win. Used to love LG and remember linus notoriously disliking LG in the past haha. Would be great to see him use their last phone. Was considering to buy a Wing for £280 just for the sake of it lol
It wasn't their last phone, that was the W41 pro. However we can say that the Wing was their last decent phone.
@@CockatooDude I don't think that launched anywhere else but India, hence most won't know about it.
@@playstak Oh I see, now that I didn't know. Fair enough.
I was tempted to get a wing when my phone (G8x with dual screen case) was up for replacement shortly after it came out, but then LG announced they were pulling out of the phone business, and I ended up going for a fold 3 (Since moved to a fold 5).
The fairphone is not the most interesting option because we already know that the review will end uplike the early framework laptop reviews whereas the Wing was a genuinely unique phone that will provide an interesting set up for the review
ChromeOS might have a generation of adults in the US, but not in Europe or Asia.
I LOVED my S9. I was so bummed when I broke it and switched to an S21
@@GH0STST4RSCR34M Same. I have a S23 Ultra now and don't get me wrong I like it, but it still just doesn't feel the same. The 8 and 9 series were the best phones ever produced.
I expect to see this on the next "Serious Business" from InternetHistorian
You should do Sony Xperia V 5 (or VI 5 if it's out by the time you do it) or a Nokia XR21 or its successor (the ones made in Europe)
Okay I actually liked my LG Wing. It was a good form factor, well built, and didn't have soft screens that could get damaged.
I think you might be pleasantly surprised by the Wing. It was an actual shame LG left the market after this.
Would have liked to see a surface 2 duo also.
One thing I need to say, is that my OnePlus n200 has never had any if the issues you talk about, the only problem is the fingerprint sensor not recognizing or the phone slowing down when running some apps, but not really that bad.
Cheer up Linus, maybe the Wing won't win. Maybe it will be the Jelly Star. 😂🤣
Note 9 was truly perfect phone it came with everything you needed and had every feature that now is taken away
Google's coping hard if they think I'm buying a temperature sensor over a headphone jack
Lmao right like i already HAVE a temperature sensor...its called fucking skin 🤣
@@skeezixmccat 💀
I too check my water to see if it is boiling temp by sticking my hand in
@12:22, my highschool had iMac’s and Mac Pro’s for the CAD/MultiMedia computer rooms. They were light years better than the Vista-laden Dell laptops. It is 100% the reason why I bought a Mac for undergrad and beyond.
if the lg wing is what i think it is. I cant belive you linus. the lg wing is literally the phone that Iron man used in the 1st movie before he got exploded by the IED's he helped make but like Futurised's for us.
It's not that phone you think it is. Google it lol
22:03 I've had those phantom touches happen on a few phones because of bad chargers, sometimes it doesn't even have to be the phone charger, but some other wall-wart plugged on the same extension or even just nearby; oh, and I had an USB fan that also caused similar issues just being nearby. I've had that happen a few times on a phone that got moist (used it with wet hands, or in the rain, or left it in the bathoom during a shower in weather that made the bathroom extremely misty etc); in those cases, it got better after drying (not just outside, I imagine moisture got inside or at least underneath the screen protector).
16:00 Mr Luke's Dad... Sir, I don't know you, but you have all my respect and admiration 😂
Talking about the late 90s/early thousands makes me miss computer shows at the Pontiac silverdome and Gibraltar trade centers
I want Linus to get the LG Wing and Luke to get the Fairphone for review on Linus' tab. I went and voted for the LG Wing. We need a Luke poll.
Chromebook’s are how I learned about Linux. On the older chrome books idk about the newer ones you could access the shell and run Ubuntu on it because I believe chrome os is based on Ubuntu but I could definitely be wrong
based on debian which Ubuntu is based on
If the Wing wins the poll fair and square and Linus finds some loophole out of it, I'm unsubscribing. We didn't expect this phone to win because it (and LG) have just fallen by the wayside in terms of media attention. You can talk about the reasons why it failed endlessly, but as a standalone product, it tickles my enthusiast brain like no other. It's a phone with extra screen real estate, but it doesn't have a plastic folding screen, its full glass all the way. It functions perfectly as a regular slab when closed, yet is still one-handable when open. My use case was to watch fullscreen TH-cam videos while on Discord and it performs that role admirably. One of the absolutely unique selling points is that you can have the keyboard on the bottom screen with landscape content on the top, and it does not cover up anything at all. It's a brilliant remote desktop device, and I would be very unhappy if Linus passed over it simply because he thought it was "a meme".
shouldeve unsubbed ages ago.... people forgotten about the poll that happened for the linux challenge where gentoo was pinned to be a potential choice......
@imgladnotu9527 gentoo is a completely unacceptable choice lol, he would've picked it and claimed linux was terrible and no one should use it.
I am actually daily driving a fairtrade phone (not fairphone but the german equivalent called shift phone) and I'm super happy with it. I was one of the people who voted for the fairphone because I really like the concept and I think it deserves more attention. kinda sad if it doesn't happen...
PS: I was actually considering voting for the pixle fold instead because I think it's the phone you (linus) will be the most happy with. But that would have been boring xP
PPS: Note 9 definitely was the peak of samsung engineering... Didn't own it myself but one of my best friends did for years and it's just great.
Can't wait to see it the video on it. It will be great to see how broken a phone gets when the company stops supporting it. Even more so with the wing since how unique it is and how many apps don't support the feature anymore.
i mean, they still update it? it got android 13 recently...
I am talking about Second Screen apps, AKA the major selling point of the phone. Most apps UI are completely broken in it now. Spotify is completely unusable on the second screen and many apps are like that now.
My rant with big phones is that while I don't mind flagships use them, the fact that it's hard to find even a normal quality smaller phone is annoying, and also the fact that they took away the phone jack because of the lack of space should be invalidated with phones getting bigger.
Fairphone is wayyy to fucking dull, LG Wing might of flopped but at least it was trying to do something different amongst the sea of laziness. 🤷♂️
I switched to Linux recently and I'm here for all of the advancements happening through proton
Review the phone that seems like it would be better for you, and those watching the channel in the long run. Dont review the wing because of views and people voting for it because they think it will be bad.
as someone who just saw the fairphone 4 at my local electronics store and getting the 5 on backorder i'm really interrested in the fp5 review, just for the fact that he's gonna complain about the back button which can't be switched from left to right
@@DerZocker2000000i bought a fp5 too
@@furdiburd how is it?
does the battery leave the phone after it is dropped?
I hope we get 2 phone reviews now. really interested in the fairphone, but nothing like a good ol' "make Linus angry with terrible tech" video too
Admittedly it’s been a couple years since I graduated high school (2020) but when I was there school provided chromebooks were already very common and everyone hated them
“I love democracy” Chancellor, Palpatine
In a previous podcast I had wondered why Linus' phone looked to beaten up. In this podcast I have seen him either smash it against the table or throw it theee times. Now I see what happened.
Regarding failing phones, my old OnePlus 3T started to randomly reboot sporadically. This also happened while on the way to the airport, with the ticket only on the phone, but that time the built-in launcher kept failing in a loop. So basically without a home screen to start apps or access the settings, I managed to quickly start the play store and install an alternative launcher. This made the phone usable again, although the home button no longer worked. With some creativity, it's possible to use with only the back button - it's not very fun, however.
I later performed a factory reset via the OS, which caused the phone to be stuck booting with the animation playing at a fraction of the normal speed. After a factory reset via the recovery mode, everything worked normally again. I did get a Fairphone 4, nonetheless 😅
The fear of that exact thing happening to me is why I still print out every ticket.
It's also one of the reasons why I want to switch back from using a smartphone-based pay-per-distance subscription to public transport to something paper-based again. I did have my smartphone crash and reboot while riding the subway once, but to their credit, the app still kept track of my route and billed me correctly. The other reason is that the app can take an awful amount of time to process a ride and I HATE it when I sit at home an hour after I've been on the subway and the non-removable notification that they're currently processing my ride STILL lingers on my phone! 🤬
I still probably won't switch though because there's no tariff that's even close in price/performance for how little I travel on public transport... 😪
@@LRM12o8 Two more reasons why paper-based is better: it doesn't run out of battery and you can't accidentally start an update that takes an hour to optimize 100+ apps. For long-distance trains there used to be a pay-per-distance option for a while in my country but they gave it up, so there's no drawback with the paper tickets. For municipal/regional public transport, it's also the same price AFAIK, and there are 4x-tickets that are a little cheaper than for single fare tickets. I do miss the convenience of only paying what I used and always the cheapest tariff
Incredibly small Unihertz Jelly Star would be pretty funny.
Just use the fairphone. Ignore the LG Wing, its basically a meme. The fairphone is the actual non-meme winner. This is also a good chance to actually test the fairphone instead of giving the spot to a dead brand.
LG should have teamed up with Red Bull to give people wings
the s9/note9 combined face recognition/iris scanner unlocking feature was amazing. worked in all lighting conditions
When Linus first announced his intentions to switch to a phone that the viewers most voted for, this kind of bullcrap is exactly what I have anticipated, it'd be fun content, just like his month with Windows Mobile back in 2013. I had been expecting a phone with a bonkers design from back in those days, like the yotaphone or something but LG Wing delivers on the hilarious factor
This is insane because after your original video came up, i got MULTIPLE ads from T-Mobile and att for the lg wing
The random notification shade dropping down is a fingerprint sensor gesture
The only problem with the LG Wing was that it was a 1st generation device without a laptop t of thirs party support. The idea itself is actually really cool and had a lot of potential.
I 100% became a Mac user because that’s what our elementary school had in 2000. They elected to go with Gateway in 2005, right before they went bankrupt. All of their active warranties were invalidated when they filed for bankruptcy and those machines were absolute garbage.
I think the Wing would have sold fine. I certainly wanted one. The company went bust shortly after it came out, which killed it, but even before that, none of the carriers in Ontario had it on contract. You couldn't get one unless you bought an unlocked device.
99% percent of people don't even know what an unlocked phone is, they just pick a phone from the list that Bell / Rogers offers.
I worked cell sales for a decade. Always been an android guy. But no matter the phone, if they had something old, and were overall happy with it, I usually steered them to the newer version of whatever they already had, because clearly they didn't mind their 5yo phone and anything new will be miles better.
Disagree somewhat with the ChromeOS argument. I know family's children who consider the school ChromeOS device as 'the boring school device'. It's in a lot of hands, but not convinced it's seen as a replacement for a proper desktop or laptop. Not as of writing this anyway.
LG Wing was review by DENKI
Direct Democracy is only practically functional when all participants also have direct accountability. And the Internet happens to be very bad at accountability.
Id really appreciate if the fairfone used screws and a metal back like a laptop instead of a clip on plastic back. Plastic backs broke all the time and felt like crap.
because the plastic was crap :D yeah fairphone is so much better for daily use. low battery? just swap in a new one!
I dont understand the hate for android wearables. The galaxy watches have been good for years. Sure theyre not perfect but they're still good
LG have unreal opportunity right now. They can promise OS update to 14 and send phone to Linus as a gift. That would be the BOLD killer move!
Very unreal considering their nonexistent company
@@hid4got em
@@hid4 the company exists and still supports the phone, only change was the mobile hardware division has been sold off.
I want Luke to either be stuck with Linus using a wing or use the fairphone and do a review on it just so Linus has to deal with the torment that he's not using the wing
ive got an LG V60 with the dual screen, and i absolutely love that phone. such a good phone. i wish they'd keep on that design and just refresh with new hardware.
I was looking at the fairphone, but the hole in the display is a deal breaker for me, especially as it it has a bezel where they could have put the camera. Shame.
Fairphone needs a headphone jack
I have to agree that the fairphone is way cooler and id want a lengthy review of it.
BUT LG WING IS FLYING TO THE TOP WHOOP WHOOP
Bloody called it that he wanted the Fairphone to win!
I was going fairphone but after see the LGwing it looks cool