@@DoraTheExplosion31 Completely true, but what do you mean "somehow" It's literally advertised as a realistic tactical fps Now I'm well aware it isn't that anymore, but it was advertised as that so of course it's going to be sweaty
It's one of the more chill PvP games out there if you got friends. You can just go chill in Quick Play and quit if the enemy is tryharding while you just mess around. No other game gives that experience imo, CS is boring asf on casual, LOL/DOTA are just too much time per match for chill gaming and Battle royale games suck in general.
@@keatonwastakenI don't disagree with your other points but I've seen people summon demons when losing on Siege so I find it hard to associate it with being chill.
as someone who has argued on fixes for simple things from Ubisoft in regards to R6 back in its hay day, it can be like squeezing water from a stone. they REFUSE to help or listen to any action or advice. its sort of a meme at this point.
Basically they just dont want... Thats the reality, there's no ifs and buts, they just dont want to enable support for Linux on R6 period. Its the same with Epic games and Fortnite...
@@arturpaivadsAt least Epic, or atleast the team maintaining Fortnite, straight up said they're not confident enough to enable Linux support for their anti cheat, like, at least be honest if they don't want to :v
Kernel-level anticheat is no longer a good strategy anyway due to the sheer extent the cheating arms race has gotten to. DMA controllers, AI-based aimbots, Raspberry Pi triggerbots, the list goes on: none of them can be detected by kernel anticheats. The only effective way to detect cheaters nowadays is server-side AI-based systems and live monitoring.
Client side anti-cheat has always been pretty ass backwards. Doesn't matter how deep into the OS you cram the code, it's still on the client machine where the player can make changes. It's like asking a child who has chocolate cake all over their hands and face, and a mangled cake in front of them, "did you touch the cake?" And then simply believing them when they say "no"... Despite all the obvious signs that you can see from the outside.
@@tin2001 yeah, you are literally giving the anti-cheat software to the hands of the cheat developers to test and find work arounds and backdoors with.
@@mu11668Bnot really the only paywall there is in r6 is a battlepass which isn’t even that bad. All it really does it lock the new operator for a bit (Although they increased the lock period from 2 weeks to 4 weeks which i don’t agree with). Everything else is cosmetic.
Mojang is pretty slow and they cant even give us three mobs in an update. I havent been too into a minecraft update since 1.14 or whichever the pillager one was, they basically add decoration mobs that do nothing and are just disappointing once a year.
Ever since I moved to Endeavour OS last month full time, Destiny 2 is the only game in my library that I've had to stop playing. Due to the heavy monetization and taking away content I paid for, the loss of playing the game hasn't turned out to be a big loss. I still have access to Final Fantasy XI & XIV, The Division and Division 2 under Endeavour.
Microsoft Flight Simulator X is still the only thing in my library that I've found that doesn't work in Proton... I intentionally don't play games that are full of anti-cheat. I was avoiding that before I switched... I don't like the idea of random shit from companies likely to abandon their products running as admin or deeper regardless of the OS.
@@tin2001 When I was distro hopping before settling with Endeavour ,I was able to get Outriders to run on Garuda Linux. The rest of the games I play are all single player.
@@tin2001 You can play MS Flight Simulator X and MS Flight Simulator. According to ProtonDB, some users report it works under Proton Experimental and others report it works under GE Proton which is pretty easy to install.
Back then I would have said _"Better a false ban, than let a cheater go free."_ But then I realize that modern games have nobody at the wheel at their anticheat division and it's Ubisoft we're dealing with so... Cheat away?
@@thisislilraskal Same way you do on PC. -Strikethrough- is a hyphen at the start and end of a word, *bold* is an asterisk, and _italics_ is and underscore. +That's for TH-cam. Other sites will have different things put at the start and end of words/sentences, but it's typically the same. Also, I use the plus sign at the start of words/sentences that I add in edits.+
If you know the ammount of cheats those games have. Anticheats normally take the generic cheap bought cheats. But in a world with AI based cheat that doesn't even need to run on the same computer, yeah. Thats not their reason.
Do you by any chance mean their other games like e.g. Breakpoint? Because if yes: Battle eye is optional for it, so it doesn't even matter for them there.
regarding the destiny point battleye and bungie's ban policy are so aggressive that if you WERE to launch Destiny through linux it would get your account permabanned without warning friends of mine have had this happen, reached out to Bungie, and they doubled down saying that "Battleye flagged something and your ban remains in place"
the only thing I can understand is them not supporting or even kicking you for using a virtual machine, as that opens so many doors for cheaters (QEMU/KVM based cheats that read virtual machine memory). Them not supporting proton when BattleEye LITERALLY already has proton support is just silly.
They didn't do it because they trade kernel-level ac for user-level ac (because for linux ac only user-space). Thats the reason. It's like VM's in this regard, you can cheat at kernel space in linux and user-level ac didn't detect it.
@@rdhchannel9548 yeah suppose it's the same reason as disallowing VMs. Not that kernel drivers are completely impossible to detect from userspace. But i guess that's a BE issue. Only solution is them supporting Linux natively
@@rdhchannel9548 Not exactly. Without kernel access they just can't detect kernel based injections (well.. they potentially could with a ton of workarounds that aren't worth the effort at all, valve is or at least has been using a workaround for it on VAC, which is hardly a reliable method if you only ban people with a 100% certainty that they use known code) - the already injected cheats themselves however are detectable - so the main reason why they'd not be doing it is because most ban waves only consist of detected injections, so anyone cheating on linux would survive 90% of the ban waves. Which is an understandable choice if you already started using kernel based detection either way.
@@rdhchannel9548what exploits wouldn't be detectable without access to the entire system? Memory manipulation can be detected without going into kernel-space, certainly more difficult, but doable. Everything that would affect a program in kernel-space, is detectable in user-space.
@@YantoWest If I had to guess, they probably do have a higher rank. Low/mid level lobbies don’t see modders nearly as much since they either 1) play and rank before modding or 2) quickly rank up by modding. Usually once people reach their skill cap they turn to the dark side.
Ironically thats why i stopped... the griefers that broke me, multiple games over a night with the same 3 stack of fucktards tking myself and another teammate making me snap.. what happened? I get permabanned and they are free to keep doing it. Even worse is ubisoft refuse to release account info on why i was banned and what triggered it breaking the AU and EU data privacy laws.
Yeah, I had a pretty bad KD in some of the older COD's, that's why I liked doing objective based game modes rather than TDM, I mean TDM is basically the only mode where your KD matters. Even FFA, as long as you're the first person to X amount of kills, you could have the worst KD in the match and still win.
thank you for this video, Mutahar! It really means alot for vm gamers as the topic gets pretty much zero attention. You and gaben are doing gods work rn
In case of BattlEye sometimes it's not only an e-mail - Escape From Tarkov also uses BattlEye, and it also runs perfectly fine in offline on Linux, to the point that some more avid players use small Linux laptops for EFT, so they can access hideout and market on the go. However EFT uses also custom anti-cheat modules for BattlEye, and those a re really Windows specific, so that so porting them would essentially require rewriting them entirely for Linux. And because they're custom, BattlEye can't help there, it has to be game devs putting work there. It may be the same case with R6.
At the very least they could tell us that they use custom stuff that won't work. If we knew it would take more than an afternoon for one dev to fix, we'd be a lot more understanding
10:05 it's also diatributed on play station and xbox, where a very large part of r6 players actually are About battle-eye it may be a case of their old but long-term contract, which probably was made before steam deck (linux)
Stoked to check out the Linux how-to. I’m curious if it’ll focus on metal or virtualized (or just the OS setup and optimization). Either way, should be good fun.
Being 100% honest. If you're mostly playing offline games you have nothing to worry, it will just work. For multi players, because of anticheats, I did every method under the sun, is to just buy a cheapo desktop that run your games on low and install Sunshine, Parsec and something like that... It just works, specially if both boxes are on the same cabled network. Or buy a console, whatever floats your boat honestly. You can get a PS4 or a Series S very cheap and it will run any multiplayer game you want. Oh, you can run VMs? Sure. I did. They are far more hassle than it worth. The amount of money you will spend on a compatible motherboard, another GPU and a PSU to handle two graphics cards it will buy a pretty poweful second box...
The funny thing, is that Extraction which is a game that barely anyone plays anymore nowadays, it's configured. Their best title, Siege, it's not. It's fucking hilarious at this point LOL
I play Rainbow Six Siege. Nokk is my favorite character. I try to keep positive in chat, because I don't use voice chat. Wish everyone good luck. Applaud a victory. Commend my teammates if we fail. It got so out of hand once, being positive, that a teammate said, "Stop being so nice to the enemy." Another said, "I'm not so use to this being so non-toxic." To which I replied, "You want me to talk smack? Okay! Your mother is a lovely woman and your father is proud of you!" I suck at trash talk.
"You are a good man, thank you" keep being you, it always brings me joy when I come across people that just want to have fun I'd even go as far as giving away my wins in exchange for a good or wholesome moment.
it NEEDS proton support, the game runs amazing and wine devs have fixed all of the issues that have come around. there is almost no point leaving us out
Ubisoft just do this shit for no reason. Same with Watch_Dogs 1, servers are still up, they just shadow ban anyone playing the steam version from connecting to them. Miraculously, the ubisoft connect version works perfectly...
They don't shadow ban anyone. Steam users use the exact same version of the game as ubisoft connect users do (surprise surprise as it needs to launch through their stuff) - ubisofts activation process is just trash and in most cases the license doesn't get activated properly.
It seems outrageous that all it'd take is one email to sort this out. Ubisoft really needs to step up and stop treating us like cheaters just because we prefer using Linux.
I’m so goddamn excited for the Mutahar Linux tutorials, I’m gonna show all of my friends who have a decent amount of tech knowledge and help them install Linux (mostly Linux mint cuz beginners)
If you're not already in the server, GE's server has a channel for it. Also consider the official Fedora server as well, lots of helpful folks if you run into issues. Welcome to the community & hope your time in Linux land is good.
I used linux for a while. Couldnt continue because I was duel booting and it was more practical to just stick with windows for games like val and fort. If anticheats allowed linux I would 1000% switch fully to linux
I remember when proton and lutris didn't exist. I was apprehensive picking up steam deck but I was blown away by how plug and play linux gaming is now. Proton has came so far.
Bringing that up: I don't get to this day why steam discontinued the original Steam OS and only use it for the Steam Deck now. Just having the option to install Steam OS on an old PC and use it as a plug and play console was insanely good.
Im kind of excited for the video for linux! My brother years ago was super into linux, and I believed he used gnome and ubuntu, and he was crazy into nintendo game emulation.
Now that i watched the full video, this is like a perfect example of ubisoft doing stupid desitions and just being incompetent to there own game. Thanks for making this video!
It's a cat and mouse game of cheater and anticheat software. The design is to attempt to appease legitimate players by making it continuously harder to cheat. However, at least at this point, that's starting to seem impossible.
they're already using external hardware and AI bullshit the cat and mouse game is dead. the cheats don't need to look at memory or any internal stuff anymore
It's more of a limit than prevention scheme, if the game had no anticheat then it would be far more accessible to far more people. While quite frankly it's not too difficult to make cheats, it at least pushes the skill boundary required to develop a cheat
Ubisoft (like Activision) is another gaming companies that fit the “you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain” saying. I recall a time when Ubisoft was universally praised.
The issue comes from the fact that under Linux not all BE/EAC modules can be enabled, so it will just increase the attack surface and add platform specific exceptions that create vulnerabilities. The Escape from Tarkov dev team has been very open about the subject in the past and gave this exact explanation, even the Roblox devs with their own anti-tamper solution (Hyperion) reported the same.
As someone working in software development myself I really doubt it's that easy. I don't want to come off as a Ubisoft or Bungie simp and there are lots of reasons to critisize these companies, but in this case I really think there's more to it than "just an email/simply change a config in the backend". Anticheat is an extremely complex set of software and battling cheaters an endless undertaking, so opening up potential doors for additional malicious individuals is probably not a risk these dev studios want to take. Also consider that even if Battleeye supports Linux that doesn't mean that its anticheat capabilities are good or on par with the Windows portion of it. Another thing to consider: Maybe the reason for the incompatibility is not the anticheat, but the game itself. Just because the game runs fine from a player's perspective doesn't mean that everything under the hood is working as intended, especially when it comes to complex code like anticheat implementations. All of this doesn't even take into consideration that in order to support your game on Linux/Steam Deck you have to have the knowledge and expertise in your company. A game security developer that's skilled on Windows doesn't automatically make him skilled or knowledgable on Linux.
Thanks to your videos about Linux I’m now addicted to using and figuring it out. Helped me have some extra stuff to focus on when we lost our fur son Shadow. I owe ya man, thank you.
Yeah Anti-Cheats are the biggest problem with gaming on Linux. There's also a huge problem with communication between Valve, the Linux developers, and the game developers. Nobody really wants to talk to each other for some reason too. Unfortunately, this is why I can't run games like Apex Legends because everyone seems to be very vague about these kind of problems.
I've been looking for a way to get into Linux for years and I will happily get an SSD and make my system dual boot for Windows and Linux! Thanks in advance for your hard work!
should not dual install win 10/11 and linux on same hdd/ssd . the bootloader could be broken after a windows update. just saying. but do what you have to do
I love how passionate Muta is about the issue of anti-cheat ruining chances of Linux players and how it even gets one of his videos on this as evidence towards calling out Ubisoft on this issue. Really wish he was part of the PUBG community cause, you know, PUBG (the company) doesn't seem to GAF about Linux...
my account with 1000+ hours in that ive been essentially been playing since frost came out got banned for cheating and i never event cheated. their anti cheat is cancer and so is the dev team. you cant even appeal any ban either. would be a real REAL shame if a round 2 happens at ubi hq :c
As someone who is massively in love with Manjaro now after running it through a VM, I still just need more games to get support, and not just the ones with anti-cheat problems. I play titles on my PC from a wide variety of gaming eras, and I want to be able to experience them all whenever I want without having to resort to resort to emulation or complicated workarounds. So devs, start fully supporting Linux, and Valve, don't stop supporting titles when the devs can't or won't.
I have not yet came across a single player game that does not work under proton, so everything besides anticheat issues should actually be fine. Well microsoft games can be an issue, because they don't want to sipport the non xbox/windows system
@@marsimplodation There are quite a few games listed as unplayable under ProtonDB, and vastly more that seemingly haven't been tested yet. Right now all but about 12 if the tested games in my library is playable according to ProtonDB, but that doesn't account for anything outside of Steam, or if I decide to get other games not currently supported or tested, which is where the issue still lies for me.
Now ladies and gentlemen...Im hyped for the linux tutorial, but im curious how often he'll say "ladies and gentlemen". I would go nuts after a few hours, ladies and gentlemen.
Linux is a system that I like, but to me, in many years of using or trying to use it, I felt the same feeling: ‘The system that you can have anything, but you can’t have anything.’ So, after many tries in decades, I just let it go and returned to Windows to run a system which is basically two clicks away from anything.
Ubisoft has no dev team anymore for Rainbow Siege, and prob. uses change management, esp. for changes in the live environment. Meaning, the change needs to be documented, tested in staging, signed off and rolled out by the ops team. As there is no active dev/test team, they need to reassign a dev/test engineer from an active team, which needs to be planned in sprints, and signed off separately by management.
I can totally understand you. Before I switched to Linux, I had 2500 hours in Siege. Absolutely love this game. Since then, I didn't really play, because I really don't like dual booting into Windows, I want to ditch it entirely.
Can we stop it with linux conversion therapy and get some quality content? Like every video is like 5min of actual content and the rest is about you trying to shove linux down my throat, its getting tiresome.
Escape from tarkov just kicks you from a raid if it detects VM, happened to me, i was 3d printing with klipper and tried to play tarkov. Hopefully i haven't played siege those times.
You got me to play r6 a couple years ago I no lifed it for almost three years before moving onto other games been awhile since I played it now crazy how time flys
because i like the steamdeck and how it runs, i installed Arch on my main system. I still have a windows dual boot just because of the Anticheats, hope that it all will be fixed/supported in the future
Man. R6 and D2 are literally my 2 favorite games, and i was hoping to get a steam deck to play them whenever wherever but now that I know they could just get me banned from playing them it really just makes me sad. It always confuses me why larger companies cant just do such a simple fix since its not like it wont bring in more profit or anything.
I've sank so many hours into R6siege it's insane. Not only did i sign up for the Alpha test where nothing worked, but also the beta test and then launch.
im glad you are making a linux video muta, I've been thinking about switching from windows cause its getting shittier but i have no idea where to start with linux.
This is not the only issue they arent taking action against. They also ignoring mass account-theft, there are people spent 3 months without a single reply
Hearing your hours on siege maked me realize i may have a problem. On r6 i have over 6k hrs on pc alone, a pc i have only had for like a year and a half. I need r6 rehab at this point
The steam deck has honestly made me want change my pc to Linux it has its flaws but the pros outweigh any cons by so much it's insane I'm shocked it hasnt already been more marketed for use to the average person on any pc you buy
Been playing Siege since Chimera(7+ years) and yeah Ubi is Ubi but they've done pretty well in supporting it. Definitely not perfect but. Battle Eye is garbage. Makes me love Muttah so much more knowing he's a fellow Siege player, it's the masochistic aspect that Siege players subjects ourselves too.
Saw you on the unsub podcast and you were nothing but based now I’m subscribed watching some of your videos just now and i saw this and my respect is only increasing at this point in time can’t really say my respect was ever going down anyways but you know what i mean😂
“You were banned because you were terrible at Siege. I was banned because I played on Linux. We are not the Same”
-Muta, probably.
Father in law got banned from COD cause he was too good so people reported him for cheating
-Muta, in his head as he read this
@@clickbaitable6320 Is your father in law John Wick ? 😂
after having dealed with ubisoft for months to no avail, i will never purchase anything from them. pirate their singleplayer games all the way
@clickbaitable6320 bro I got shadow banned because I was too good lol
Being banned from Siege sounds more like freedom than punishment.
realest shit ive ever read
its somehow more sweatier then cod also has terrible community
@@DoraTheExplosion31 Completely true, but what do you mean "somehow"
It's literally advertised as a realistic tactical fps
Now I'm well aware it isn't that anymore, but it was advertised as that so of course it's going to be sweaty
It's one of the more chill PvP games out there if you got friends.
You can just go chill in Quick Play and quit if the enemy is tryharding while you just mess around.
No other game gives that experience imo, CS is boring asf on casual, LOL/DOTA are just too much time per match for chill gaming and Battle royale games suck in general.
@@keatonwastakenI don't disagree with your other points but I've seen people summon demons when losing on Siege so I find it hard to associate it with being chill.
Just wait until his wife reads the title of this video...
Bro 😂
HE IS MARRIED????
@My_pfp_beats_all_dog_breeds. Nah, she in the dungeon
first thought that came to my mind, DID HE CHEAT?!!!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@NetBattlerhe mentions it sometimes but yeah he is
Some ordinary cheaters
uwu
He is not
😂😂😂
UwU
UwU
Ubisoft and anti-consumer practices
Name a better duo.
blizzard maybe. obisoft also very nice
Electronic Arts
Nintendo and anti-consumer practices
GBA Games & Piracy
EA, definitely
as someone who has argued on fixes for simple things from Ubisoft in regards to R6 back in its hay day, it can be like squeezing water from a stone. they REFUSE to help or listen to any action or advice. its sort of a meme at this point.
Basically they just dont want... Thats the reality, there's no ifs and buts, they just dont want to enable support for Linux on R6 period.
Its the same with Epic games and Fortnite...
@@arturpaivadsAt least Epic, or atleast the team maintaining Fortnite, straight up said they're not confident enough to enable Linux support for their anti cheat, like, at least be honest if they don't want to :v
@@null2264 Yeah, basically. "We made the anticheat but we made it half-assed for Linux so we are not enabling in our own game"
Frontier is another shit company. Damn Denuvo was quickly bypassed and they refuse to remove it despite it being just literal invasive malware.
play on a normal platform or console.@@arturpaivads
Muta about to go to war against the evils of kernel-level anti-cheat.
Kernel-level anticheat is no longer a good strategy anyway due to the sheer extent the cheating arms race has gotten to. DMA controllers, AI-based aimbots, Raspberry Pi triggerbots, the list goes on: none of them can be detected by kernel anticheats. The only effective way to detect cheaters nowadays is server-side AI-based systems and live monitoring.
@@crimson-foxtwitch2581 so begin the AI wars
@@sai2849 the arms race is dead. the cheaters have, for the most part, won.
Client side anti-cheat has always been pretty ass backwards. Doesn't matter how deep into the OS you cram the code, it's still on the client machine where the player can make changes.
It's like asking a child who has chocolate cake all over their hands and face, and a mangled cake in front of them, "did you touch the cake?" And then simply believing them when they say "no"... Despite all the obvious signs that you can see from the outside.
@@tin2001 yeah, you are literally giving the anti-cheat software to the hands of the cheat developers to test and find work arounds and backdoors with.
Ubisoft Developers lazier than what people think of Mojang developers.
With Mojang, it's probably branding bureaucracy.
I dunno, i think 6 years to add worse caves than mods added almost a decade prior is pretty lazy.
At least Mojang doesn't charge for the updates unlike Ubish!t who makes everything into a DLC behind absurd paywalls.
@@mu11668Bnot really the only paywall there is in r6 is a battlepass which isn’t even that bad. All it really does it lock the new operator for a bit (Although they increased the lock period from 2 weeks to 4 weeks which i don’t agree with). Everything else is cosmetic.
Mojang is pretty slow and they cant even give us three mobs in an update. I havent been too into a minecraft update since 1.14 or whichever the pillager one was, they basically add decoration mobs that do nothing and are just disappointing once a year.
Ever since I moved to Endeavour OS last month full time, Destiny 2 is the only game in my library that I've had to stop playing. Due to the heavy monetization and taking away content I paid for, the loss of playing the game hasn't turned out to be a big loss. I still have access to Final Fantasy XI & XIV, The Division and Division 2 under Endeavour.
Microsoft Flight Simulator X is still the only thing in my library that I've found that doesn't work in Proton...
I intentionally don't play games that are full of anti-cheat. I was avoiding that before I switched... I don't like the idea of random shit from companies likely to abandon their products running as admin or deeper regardless of the OS.
@@tin2001 When I was distro hopping before settling with Endeavour ,I was able to get Outriders to run on Garuda Linux. The rest of the games I play are all single player.
@@tin2001 You can play MS Flight Simulator X and MS Flight Simulator. According to ProtonDB, some users report it works under Proton Experimental and others report it works under GE Proton which is pretty easy to install.
From a past D2 player, not being able to play that game is probably for the best...
@@khoa9834ayy true brother... never felt better
PowerBottomDad sounds like something out of the Wu-Tang name generator.
No fucking way thats a real thing lmao
@@amyselChildish Gambino
@@amysel Oh it's real
It kinda sounds gay...lol
It named me Sinister Marten. There is no Marten anywhere In my name lol
Back then I would have said _"Better a false ban, than let a cheater go free."_ But then I realize that modern games have nobody at the wheel at their anticheat division and it's Ubisoft we're dealing with so... Cheat away?
Hey man I'm kinda slow but how are you able to type italics on your phone ?
@@thisislilraskal Same way you do on PC. -Strikethrough- is a hyphen at the start and end of a word, *bold* is an asterisk, and _italics_ is and underscore.
+That's for TH-cam. Other sites will have different things put at the start and end of words/sentences, but it's typically the same. Also, I use the plus sign at the start of words/sentences that I add in edits.+
If you know the ammount of cheats those games have. Anticheats normally take the generic cheap bought cheats. But in a world with AI based cheat that doesn't even need to run on the same computer, yeah. Thats not their reason.
*Much* _appreciated_ @@John_EMIYA_Miller
@@John_EMIYA_Miller *Thanks* again for teaching me how to do it.
It's worse, Ubisoft don't even need to contact Valve. They already know how to get battle eye operational on Linux in other titles.
Do you by any chance mean their other games like e.g. Breakpoint? Because if yes: Battle eye is optional for it, so it doesn't even matter for them there.
regarding the destiny point
battleye and bungie's ban policy are so aggressive that if you WERE to launch Destiny through linux
it would get your account permabanned without warning
friends of mine have had this happen, reached out to Bungie, and they doubled down saying that "Battleye flagged something and your ban remains in place"
"Why do you wanna use Linux? Just use Windows like everyone else, weirdo."
the only thing I can understand is them not supporting or even kicking you for using a virtual machine, as that opens so many doors for cheaters (QEMU/KVM based cheats that read virtual machine memory). Them not supporting proton when BattleEye LITERALLY already has proton support is just silly.
They didn't do it because they trade kernel-level ac for user-level ac (because for linux ac only user-space). Thats the reason. It's like VM's in this regard, you can cheat at kernel space in linux and user-level ac didn't detect it.
@@rdhchannel9548 yeah suppose it's the same reason as disallowing VMs. Not that kernel drivers are completely impossible to detect from userspace. But i guess that's a BE issue. Only solution is them supporting Linux natively
@@rdhchannel9548 Not exactly. Without kernel access they just can't detect kernel based injections (well.. they potentially could with a ton of workarounds that aren't worth the effort at all, valve is or at least has been using a workaround for it on VAC, which is hardly a reliable method if you only ban people with a 100% certainty that they use known code) - the already injected cheats themselves however are detectable - so the main reason why they'd not be doing it is because most ban waves only consist of detected injections, so anyone cheating on linux would survive 90% of the ban waves. Which is an understandable choice if you already started using kernel based detection either way.
@@rdhchannel9548what exploits wouldn't be detectable without access to the entire system? Memory manipulation can be detected without going into kernel-space, certainly more difficult, but doable.
Everything that would affect a program in kernel-space, is detectable in user-space.
I left RS6 ages ago. The hackers and griefers pissed me off too much.
I left years ago because they refused to support Linux. Back when they disabled KVM it became impossible to play outside Windows.
Are you on the 1% of players? I am of average skill and I rarely ever encounter griefers and cheaters.
@@YantoWest If I had to guess, they probably do have a higher rank. Low/mid level lobbies don’t see modders nearly as much since they either 1) play and rank before modding or 2) quickly rank up by modding. Usually once people reach their skill cap they turn to the dark side.
Ironically thats why i stopped... the griefers that broke me, multiple games over a night with the same 3 stack of fucktards tking myself and another teammate making me snap.. what happened? I get permabanned and they are free to keep doing it.
Even worse is ubisoft refuse to release account info on why i was banned and what triggered it breaking the AU and EU data privacy laws.
"i'm not a great player i've got a .95 kd"
me sitting here with .3
me sitting here with :3
Yeah, I had a pretty bad KD in some of the older COD's, that's why I liked doing objective based game modes rather than TDM, I mean TDM is basically the only mode where your KD matters. Even FFA, as long as you're the first person to X amount of kills, you could have the worst KD in the match and still win.
I cannot improve at siege. 600 hrs and i get 1 kill per match
You think you're bad? My K/D went from 2.05 to 0.90 when I played a single match.
the game has been out for 8 years 600 hours isn't much@@CreeperthanPasta
Siege’s comeback is unreal. The new season brought me back for the first time since year 6. It’s been a blast
so glad muta is talking about this and bringing a bigger light to it, hopefully we can eventually play it on our steamdecks
Gaming companies constantly want a successful live service, but then refuse to take care of them long term.
Not a Siege fan, but still, this is outrageous, how easily it could be fixed, but nothing happens!
Thanks for addressing the issue!
thank you for this video, Mutahar! It really means alot for vm gamers as the topic gets pretty much zero attention. You and gaben are doing gods work rn
damn excited for that linux guide
In case of BattlEye sometimes it's not only an e-mail - Escape From Tarkov also uses BattlEye, and it also runs perfectly fine in offline on Linux, to the point that some more avid players use small Linux laptops for EFT, so they can access hideout and market on the go. However EFT uses also custom anti-cheat modules for BattlEye, and those a re really Windows specific, so that so porting them would essentially require rewriting them entirely for Linux. And because they're custom, BattlEye can't help there, it has to be game devs putting work there. It may be the same case with R6.
At the same time Tarkov has significant cheating issues
At the very least they could tell us that they use custom stuff that won't work. If we knew it would take more than an afternoon for one dev to fix, we'd be a lot more understanding
10:05 it's also diatributed on play station and xbox, where a very large part of r6 players actually are
About battle-eye it may be a case of their old but long-term contract, which probably was made before steam deck (linux)
Year of Siege am I right? How many times have we been saying this and how many times have we changed our minds?
Game's a mess these days
It's become overwatch seige
Nahhh even if the band Wagon falls off we're still going strong only the strong survive
@@lashed1980 not there yet, let them promise so much to build hype only to deliver nothing in the end by cancelling last minute
@@JoCaTenmost people still playing it are on copium tbf
" these days " its been a mess since it launched i seriously dont know how its still " alive " to this day
Stoked to check out the Linux how-to. I’m curious if it’ll focus on metal or virtualized (or just the OS setup and optimization).
Either way, should be good fun.
Being 100% honest. If you're mostly playing offline games you have nothing to worry, it will just work.
For multi players, because of anticheats, I did every method under the sun, is to just buy a cheapo desktop that run your games on low and install Sunshine, Parsec and something like that... It just works, specially if both boxes are on the same cabled network. Or buy a console, whatever floats your boat honestly. You can get a PS4 or a Series S very cheap and it will run any multiplayer game you want.
Oh, you can run VMs? Sure. I did. They are far more hassle than it worth. The amount of money you will spend on a compatible motherboard, another GPU and a PSU to handle two graphics cards it will buy a pretty poweful second box...
1:38 I can relate lmfaooooo
Drift man!
gaming on linux is so EZ now that I forget there's compatability issues until I run into some shit like this.
Can't believe you would do this muda
The funny thing, is that Extraction which is a game that barely anyone plays anymore nowadays, it's configured.
Their best title, Siege, it's not. It's fucking hilarious at this point LOL
I play Rainbow Six Siege. Nokk is my favorite character. I try to keep positive in chat, because I don't use voice chat. Wish everyone good luck. Applaud a victory. Commend my teammates if we fail. It got so out of hand once, being positive, that a teammate said, "Stop being so nice to the enemy." Another said, "I'm not so use to this being so non-toxic."
To which I replied, "You want me to talk smack? Okay! Your mother is a lovely woman and your father is proud of you!"
I suck at trash talk.
Need more people like you
You on ps5?
Most negative nøkk main
"You are a good man, thank you" keep being you, it always brings me joy when I come across people that just want to have fun I'd even go as far as giving away my wins in exchange for a good or wholesome moment.
not fixing a major issue that only takes a single line of code is truly A UBISOFT ORIGINAL moment
Game itself good but no good player base/ community
it NEEDS proton support, the game runs amazing and wine devs have fixed all of the issues that have come around. there is almost no point leaving us out
Ubisoft just do this shit for no reason. Same with Watch_Dogs 1, servers are still up, they just shadow ban anyone playing the steam version from connecting to them. Miraculously, the ubisoft connect version works perfectly...
They don't shadow ban anyone.
Steam users use the exact same version of the game as ubisoft connect users do (surprise surprise as it needs to launch through their stuff) - ubisofts activation process is just trash and in most cases the license doesn't get activated properly.
I giggled when Muta said "the good 'gluck gluck'."
It seems outrageous that all it'd take is one email to sort this out. Ubisoft really needs to step up and stop treating us like cheaters just because we prefer using Linux.
Getting banned from Siege just means you can see the Sun and your family again.
I’m so goddamn excited for the Mutahar Linux tutorials, I’m gonna show all of my friends who have a decent amount of tech knowledge and help them install Linux (mostly Linux mint cuz beginners)
Enjoy finding workarounds for doing literally anything on your PC dude lol
I have been waiting for this linux video, because Muta actually made me turn over to Linux
I just switched to Linux 3 days ago in part some to your vids and to a small handful of other creators , I chose Nobara and I love it
If you're not already in the server, GE's server has a channel for it. Also consider the official Fedora server as well, lots of helpful folks if you run into issues. Welcome to the community & hope your time in Linux land is good.
I used linux for a while. Couldnt continue because I was duel booting and it was more practical to just stick with windows for games like val and fort. If anticheats allowed linux I would 1000% switch fully to linux
I remember when proton and lutris didn't exist. I was apprehensive picking up steam deck but I was blown away by how plug and play linux gaming is now. Proton has came so far.
Bringing that up:
I don't get to this day why steam discontinued the original Steam OS and only use it for the Steam Deck now. Just having the option to install Steam OS on an old PC and use it as a plug and play console was insanely good.
Im kind of excited for the video for linux! My brother years ago was super into linux, and I believed he used gnome and ubuntu, and he was crazy into nintendo game emulation.
Now that i watched the full video, this is like a perfect example of ubisoft doing stupid desitions and just being incompetent to there own game. Thanks for making this video!
if theres that much cheating **with** anticheat (looking at you siege and tarkov) then whats the real point of it?
It's a cat and mouse game of cheater and anticheat software. The design is to attempt to appease legitimate players by making it continuously harder to cheat. However, at least at this point, that's starting to seem impossible.
they're already using external hardware and AI bullshit the cat and mouse game is dead. the cheats don't need to look at memory or any internal stuff anymore
It would be a lot worse without any anti-cheat. Its better to have some protection than none at all.
Then it would become "if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying" something is better than nothing.
It's more of a limit than prevention scheme, if the game had no anticheat then it would be far more accessible to far more people. While quite frankly it's not too difficult to make cheats, it at least pushes the skill boundary required to develop a cheat
Ubisoft (like Activision) is another gaming companies that fit the “you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain” saying. I recall a time when Ubisoft was universally praised.
People that say you suck at your favorite game are just mad that they don't have loyalty.
2016-2018 were some of my favorite gaming years. Bf1 and seige were my most played
The issue comes from the fact that under Linux not all BE/EAC modules can be enabled, so it will just increase the attack surface and add platform specific exceptions that create vulnerabilities.
The Escape from Tarkov dev team has been very open about the subject in the past and gave this exact explanation, even the Roblox devs with their own anti-tamper solution (Hyperion) reported the same.
As someone working in software development myself I really doubt it's that easy. I don't want to come off as a Ubisoft or Bungie simp and there are lots of reasons to critisize these companies, but in this case I really think there's more to it than "just an email/simply change a config in the backend".
Anticheat is an extremely complex set of software and battling cheaters an endless undertaking, so opening up potential doors for additional malicious individuals is probably not a risk these dev studios want to take. Also consider that even if Battleeye supports Linux that doesn't mean that its anticheat capabilities are good or on par with the Windows portion of it.
Another thing to consider: Maybe the reason for the incompatibility is not the anticheat, but the game itself. Just because the game runs fine from a player's perspective doesn't mean that everything under the hood is working as intended, especially when it comes to complex code like anticheat implementations.
All of this doesn't even take into consideration that in order to support your game on Linux/Steam Deck you have to have the knowledge and expertise in your company. A game security developer that's skilled on Windows doesn't automatically make him skilled or knowledgable on Linux.
Bro i cant even play ranked since rainbow wont accept my phone number as valid for the authentication
ahahahaha powerbottomdad with that picture. gosh Mutah, I love your sense of humour !
Thanks to your videos about Linux I’m now addicted to using and figuring it out. Helped me have some extra stuff to focus on when we lost our fur son Shadow.
I owe ya man, thank you.
Yeah Anti-Cheats are the biggest problem with gaming on Linux. There's also a huge problem with communication between Valve, the Linux developers, and the game developers. Nobody really wants to talk to each other for some reason too. Unfortunately, this is why I can't run games like Apex Legends because everyone seems to be very vague about these kind of problems.
I've been looking for a way to get into Linux for years and I will happily get an SSD and make my system dual boot for Windows and Linux! Thanks in advance for your hard work!
should not dual install win 10/11 and linux on same hdd/ssd . the bootloader could be broken after a windows update. just saying. but do what you have to do
I love how passionate Muta is about the issue of anti-cheat ruining chances of Linux players and how it even gets one of his videos on this as evidence towards calling out Ubisoft on this issue.
Really wish he was part of the PUBG community cause, you know, PUBG (the company) doesn't seem to GAF about Linux...
my account with 1000+ hours in that ive been essentially been playing since frost came out got banned for cheating and i never event cheated. their anti cheat is cancer and so is the dev team. you cant even appeal any ban either. would be a real REAL shame if a round 2 happens at ubi hq :c
3:17 I can't believe Muta would say this. I'm literally crying and shaking right now.
21s ago is crazy
As someone who is massively in love with Manjaro now after running it through a VM, I still just need more games to get support, and not just the ones with anti-cheat problems. I play titles on my PC from a wide variety of gaming eras, and I want to be able to experience them all whenever I want without having to resort to resort to emulation or complicated workarounds. So devs, start fully supporting Linux, and Valve, don't stop supporting titles when the devs can't or won't.
i would say, it's okay if they can't (and don't have a problem with proton), but just don't want is no reason
@@schwingedeshaehers When I say can't, I mainly refer to defunct studios.
I have not yet came across a single player game that does not work under proton, so everything besides anticheat issues should actually be fine. Well microsoft games can be an issue, because they don't want to sipport the non xbox/windows system
@@marsimplodation There are quite a few games listed as unplayable under ProtonDB, and vastly more that seemingly haven't been tested yet. Right now all but about 12 if the tested games in my library is playable according to ProtonDB, but that doesn't account for anything outside of Steam, or if I decide to get other games not currently supported or tested, which is where the issue still lies for me.
I switched to Linux Mint and it’s been great so far, my games run well and it’s nice.
good boy
@@IAmOneAnt o.o
@@Emiichocoseggs?
I was laughing so hard about the username @ 1:14 that I didn't hear a word Muta said for a good few minutes.... PowerBottomDad, indeed. 👌🤣
Bruh
Bruh
bruh
Bruh
bruh indeed
Bruh
MUTA POSTED A SIEGE VIDEO LET'S GOO
*He just starts ranting about operating systems again*
BRUH
ILY THO ❤❤
Now ladies and gentlemen...Im hyped for the linux tutorial, but im curious how often he'll say "ladies and gentlemen".
I would go nuts after a few hours, ladies and gentlemen.
"Well to understand, at the end of the day, it is what it is."
Seeing this after going into 6 ranked matches full of boosters and spinbotting accounts fills me with such a rage that I can’t even describe
Someordinarycheater
Linux is a system that I like, but to me, in many years of using or trying to use it, I felt the same feeling: ‘The system that you can have anything, but you can’t have anything.’ So, after many tries in decades, I just let it go and returned to Windows to run a system which is basically two clicks away from anything.
Knew those siege clips were too good
Dont let Muta wife see the title 😂😂😂😂
Muta cheated on me 😢
Ubisoft has no dev team anymore for Rainbow Siege, and prob. uses change management, esp. for changes in the live environment. Meaning, the change needs to be documented, tested in staging, signed off and rolled out by the ops team. As there is no active dev/test team, they need to reassign a dev/test engineer from an active team, which needs to be planned in sprints, and signed off separately by management.
I thought battle eye was a divorce law firm.
No, you didn't.
@@XBluDiamondX fair🤷
Jesus christ Muta got me Jonkler laughing at work with that "good gluck gluck"
First mistake was playing siege
I can totally understand you. Before I switched to Linux, I had 2500 hours in Siege. Absolutely love this game. Since then, I didn't really play, because I really don't like dual booting into Windows, I want to ditch it entirely.
Old man yelling at the clouds.
7:07 - Breakpoint actually got its anti-cheat removed, that's why a lot of people use cheat engine to run the first-person mod in co-op.
too bad you already gave them ur moneys
I love your attitude to this game, I have the same relationship with Destiny 2 - I love to play even though I know I'm pretty average at it
Can we stop it with linux conversion therapy and get some quality content?
Like every video is like 5min of actual content and the rest is about you trying to shove linux down my throat, its getting tiresome.
Escape from tarkov just kicks you from a raid if it detects VM, happened to me, i was 3d printing with klipper and tried to play tarkov. Hopefully i haven't played siege those times.
Okay clickbai MUTA
But MOO-TAH
Wat
You got me to play r6 a couple years ago I no lifed it for almost three years before moving onto other games been awhile since I played it now crazy how time flys
get a hair cut
because i like the steamdeck and how it runs, i installed Arch on my main system.
I still have a windows dual boot just because of the Anticheats, hope that it all will be fixed/supported in the future
Man. R6 and D2 are literally my 2 favorite games, and i was hoping to get a steam deck to play them whenever wherever but now that I know they could just get me banned from playing them it really just makes me sad. It always confuses me why larger companies cant just do such a simple fix since its not like it wont bring in more profit or anything.
I've sank so many hours into R6siege it's insane. Not only did i sign up for the Alpha test where nothing worked, but also the beta test and then launch.
im glad you are making a linux video muta, I've been thinking about switching from windows cause its getting shittier but i have no idea where to start with linux.
Someone gets on their Knees and gives the good Gluck Gluck had me dying.
Congrats on being freed from the shackles of Siege Muta
This is not the only issue they arent taking action against. They also ignoring mass account-theft, there are people spent 3 months without a single reply
I love these types of muta videos
Hearing your hours on siege maked me realize i may have a problem. On r6 i have over 6k hrs on pc alone, a pc i have only had for like a year and a half. I need r6 rehab at this point
The steam deck has honestly made me want change my pc to Linux it has its flaws but the pros outweigh any cons by so much it's insane I'm shocked it hasnt already been more marketed for use to the average person on any pc you buy
Excited for the lunix vid!
Been playing Siege since Chimera(7+ years) and yeah Ubi is Ubi but they've done pretty well in supporting it. Definitely not perfect but. Battle Eye is garbage. Makes me love Muttah so much more knowing he's a fellow Siege player, it's the masochistic aspect that Siege players subjects ourselves too.
You are kicking butt let’s goooo!
That KD score definitely surmises Mutahar as one of us ordinary gamers.
Saw you on the unsub podcast and you were nothing but based now I’m subscribed watching some of your videos just now and i saw this and my respect is only increasing at this point in time can’t really say my respect was ever going down anyways but you know what i mean😂