Hey Patrick, I think this comment will be great for you and you really need to read this! Time to test it and compare with the FX3 and the Zeiss 16-35mm OSS, perhaps that will be better for you guys? Both has OSS, f4 and both have the same bodies. As far as I know the FX3 has better stabilization that FX30! Also try to throw the Sigma 10-18mm f2.8 and 16-35mm f4 PZ because you might need power zoom in his workflow, and see how OSS or lack of it affected your shot. This is because the 10-20mm has OSS and that might be the reason for the better stabilization. That way you might still get to use the full frame lineup. You're the only person that can test this combination of this 4 lens and 2 bodies that I trust. You have the resources and I really need to know this for my next purchase!
@@shzammpatapon9865 The FX3 (which i've shot with a lot) has the same IBIS issues as the A1, a7siii, a7iv etc - The OSS can help a bit but it still fights you and gets noticeable jerky for the way we film these. Could work for your use case though! Also subjectively I prefer the oversampled 6K out of the FX30 to the FX3's 4K.
@@DarkPa1adin usually a 24-70mm and a 16mm sigma for a fixed top down + face cam setup. other lenses too when I'm shooting different multicam scenarios :)
The more I see the FX30 covered in reviews and comparisons, the more I think of keeping the FX30 no matter what other cameras interest me. Hands down, the FX30 is a great camera. It's always good to see the two creators I trust the most together for a collab. More Undone and Tomasso collabs, please.
Guys, that was a great video. I have the A1, and the stabilisation is as you say, meh, that said, what I absolutely love is that I can shoot in 8K and have a slightly broader scene and reframe in post. For people like me, who are not very skilled, this is really powerful. You hear people say why do you record in 8K when you don’t have an 8K TV, but they’re missing the point of the power and value of shooting in a 8K, cropping, re-framing or creating a pan when there was no original movement in the camera. So my friends, while I might be a Muppet in my skill level, it would seem there are people who are Muppet like than even me.
You guys have such a good chemistry with each other. I want to see a (very silly) Studio Undone where Patrick is in front of the camera critiquing Gerald's studio and Gerald has to defend himself while operating the camera for Patrick. Keep up the great work you two!
Big fan of this style of video. It’s nice to follow what you guys have been shooting with the tours and then breaking down why you use a certain camera.
I think the a6700 is rated at 5 stops vs FX30's 5.5 stops, so I would very much be interested in seeing that test as I have both cameras myself and wonder which I should bring for run and gun situations!
All of those reasons are why I love my a9iii. Incredible stabilization and incredible picture - it’s often overlooked as a video camera, but I think it’s the best middle ground in all these areas that you can get right now.
I just bought the Lumix S5iiX and I love it... The FX30 has a place in my heart and I still want it... But I need to get better at stroytelling, audio and lighting. Love the collab "tools" hahaha
I don't know if it's the same problem but on my a7IV I allowed overheating in settings and I've never overheated once even in short interviews "40 min" 4k25 or shooting with the sun of spain!
@@snappy8k Agreed; I use Ulanzi fan for tripod/handheld and a Tilta cooling unit for gimbal with a power brick attached (that also recharges the gimbal!)
Went for the FX30 last year and everyday I thank myself for it. I don't care about Full Frame and I do video professionnally. Paired with the right lenses (Sigma 30 F1,4, Sigma 16 F1,4 and Tamron 11-20 F2,8) and the right lighting the image is absolutely stunning !
@@mdenjoyer831 Some footage on my Channel directly (nerdy musical content in French aha sorry I guess) I also sometimes use my ZVE10 for content creation. I always specify what camera in the description. I actually didn't know the Viltrox existed so I went for the Sigma 16. If the 16 breaks, I'd likely replace it with the Viltrox 13mm
I recently got the ZV-E1, and aside from adding a $70 external fan to manage overheating during long shoots, I absolutely love it and its features. As a newcomer to cameras, having upgraded from an iPhone 15 Pro Max, I've found the ZV-E1 to be a fantastic choice. The IBIS (In-Body Image Stabilization) is excellent-especially for my wife, who tends to be quite shaky. It really helps in both videos and photography. Choosing the right camera was challenging since I had no idea what to look for or understand much of the camera jargon. We compared the ZV-E1, FX3, FX30, and A7S III. Ultimately, we chose the ZV-E1 because it’s newer, more affordable, has AI features, and includes a Full Frame sensor. I believe it’s a great camera to learn on, and when I get more experienced, I might upgrade. For now, though, the ZV-E1 is the perfect tool for the job.
ZV-E1 all night long. Low light cheapie! Same sensor as FX3/A7SIII but with newer firmware. I shoot Blackmagic but if I had or (have in the future) low light issues, I'd buy this. FX30 ain't so good in low light, those two knuckleheads above going on with their "shooting in the studio" blah. Out in the real world (i.e. not in youtubeland), you may want to shoot at twilight without breaking the bank. Fun video though, good chemistry between those two.
I shoot my videos all across the world and use the Sony ZV-1 now mostly because of its compact and unobtrusive size. Like Patrick noted, having the smaller camera package really puts subjects at ease.
Hey Gerald, I think this comment will be great for you and you really need to read this! Time to test it and compare with the FX3 and the Zeiss 16-35mm OSS, perhaps that will be better for you guys? Both has OSS, f4 and both have the same bodies. As far as I know the FX3 has better stabilization that FX30! Also try to throw the Sigma 10-18mm f2.8 and 16-35mm f4 PZ because Patrick might need power zoom in his workflow, and see how OSS or lack of it affected your shot. This is because the 10-20mm has OSS and that might be the reason for the better stabilization. That way you might still get to use the full frame lineup. You're the only person that can test this combination of this 4 lens and 2 bodies that I trust.
My curiosity is, how come the fx30 footage in every tour videos can be so clean? I mean its footage really is kinda grainy even at base ISO.. do you clean it in post?
i've personally never seen this grain issue with FX30 - pretty much only ever use 800, 1600, and 2500. i have videos on my 2nd channel about low light. it's great.
It's better in low light, and of course full frame. the FX30 is sharper, and it's noticeable. I have both, use them both together. the FX30 and apsc lenses are far cheaper, and lighter.
An important note here is that the Sony mount was designed before in body image stabilization existed, it is too small to allow IBIS to work properly. With an APS-C sensor there is then plenty of room to do IBIS properly.
I have an A6700. I love it but want a second camera to go with it and I have really been considering the FX30 as my second camera instead of say an ZV E10m2 just so I can have a dedicated self cooled video camera. On the note of stability. The A6700 seems to be a little twitchy. I am going to do some test using it with and without the IBIS and with and without the active stabe.
We got 8 FX30s in for my job (Media IT at a university) and I have to put the kits together and managed them. The problem is that these are the best cameras students can check out at the university and word got out quickly. So of course it became a problem with students keeping them past the due date etc so now were implementing fines. I will say, over the summer, i test out the cameras (because students dont take care of shit) and I definitely think they are worth the money. I have an A7c so stabilization and 4k 120 footage is pretty neat. The crop bugs me but, I can get past that. If you're doing videos, this is a no brainer....the photos are kinda ass lmao.
Good conversation. I have enjoyed my fx30s but have not utilized the stabilization much yet. This gives me confidence to push them more. How does the stabilization compare to the fx30?
as someone who doesnt currently own sony, the FX30 is still on my wishlist. its way too cool looking has killer stats and all the mounting points i have ideas for rigging out.
7:08 - pushing the ISO to 1600 - Gerald and Patrick wouldn't it be better to utilize the dual native ISO of 2500 when trying to get better noise performance? Great video , you two have awesome chemistry... Would 100% listen to a podcast hosted by you both! Think about it ;)
@@KDHildreth simple answer? i don't care - complicated answer, i'm not dealing with jumping to 2500 and then stopping the lens down more in a run and gun on the fly situation. It's not like it's even noticeably noisy unless you're pixel peeping, which again... we're not making a movie. Truth be told we could probably shoot these on an iPhone.
I shot a travel documentary earlier this year on the FX30, and after a few days I found myself annoyed by the IBIS and ended up turning it off after a few days. It was great for walk-and-talk vérité style shooting, but when I was trying to get actual shots, I got really annoyed by the IBIS ‘catching up’ to the movements. Made post production really annoying for those first few days, but after turning it off the DaVinci Resolve stabilisation really managed to deal with all the footage extremely well. We shot handheld hanging out of car windows while driving full blast and it looked excellent after the Resolve stabilisation. Love the FX30 :)
Small sensor -> Action video Big sensor -> Tripod or 3D Gimbal I love my Panny G9, might not get the best IQ, but stabilization is just amazing. Best I've ever seen so far (probably the G9-II is the only one actually better, can't afford that one yet)
@@DangAlvinFilms This is probably simply physics. Bigger sensor = more mass = more inertia, cannot be controlled as precisely as a smaller, lighter sensor.
Question: Does the FX30 active stabilization work just as good with Sony full frame lenses as it does with the APS-C glass? I have five full-frame Sony lenses and need a body with DECENT stabilization for handheld videos that'll go on social media. I was thinking of getting the Lumix G9ii + 12-35 f/2.8 Leica lens for this specific purpose, but, if I can just use the lenses I already have with the FX30, then add a little stabilization in post via Resolve, that'll save me money. BTW thank you for making this video and bringing attention to the FX30 having the best video stabilization in Sony cameras.
Absolutely love the fx30. It’s been my first camera and of course with new technology they’ll be things newer cameras can do that it can’t. But once it gives me the shots I want and the feeling I want to capture and it allows me to be creative and it essentially stays out of my way then it’s a great camera. The fx30 at any point I’d say is a great camera
FX30 is noticeably better with its IBIS over the a6700. Couldn’t tell you why, maybe it’s the increased body size. Idk 🤷♂️ Even the ibis rating is lower by half a stop on the a6700 at 5 stops vs 5.5 stops on the fx30. It’s a dang mystery.
The reason for this is, that it's much easier for a camera to stablize a APSC (cropped Sensor) Camera than a full frame because yes the sensor is smaller and works better, better performance and better speed because the camera processing system doesn't have to work as hard with APSC sensor.. This is part of the reason the other is, that well The Fx30 is a newer technology, and so the IBIS system is a better hardware system than the Alpha 1 of course, so yes it's going to do stabilization much better.. I have looked into this, my friend has an Alpha 1 and we notice better stabilization in the FX30 that i own, and wondering why at first, but then we figured it all out, #1 the FX30 has a better IBIS system (hardware) then the Alpha 1, and #2 the sensor is smaller so less work for the Camera's computer to process all that information, because it's a cropped sensor, so less data to hall.. So yes Generally APSC camera's will do better in stabilization..
If only Sony would do firmware updates to a $6,500 camera more than once in a lifetime, they could probably solve these issues!!! I wonder how Nikon fares in these tests, or as our say LUMIX, who both seem to be doing more with firmware updates…. Thanks for covering this, great stuff!
I consider the amount of stops, only applies to still photography. Video stabilization is a completely different thing. Jerks and wobbliness in corners does not affect still imaging in the same way at all.
I've used an FX30 since it was first released and love it, but now I use a DJI Osmo Pocket 3 for all my non-tripod video. What's your opinion about the smaller, one-inch sensor camera with a built-in gimbal? Is it worth the difference in image quality to have the smooth flow of pans and manual zooms?
I have noticed that on my A93 in active, stabilization is pretty amazing. I do get that occasional quick move jerkiness on panning. But it’s pretty minimal. It’s the best Sony stabilization I have ever used (and I have used most modern Sony cameras) and it’s especially good with Sony lenses. The native lenses make a huge difference with Active Stabilization.
I shoot nature, handheld with the FX30 and the Tamron 18 - 300mm lens and it is not always perfect (sometimes far from) but it is really natural and alive. I love it. I also love the fact it doesn't weigh so much that I am put off taking it with me on my walks. I almost never put another lens on as the Tamron zoom can cover pretty much everything I want to capture (which means I don't loose the shot for the wrong lens). More zoom and handheld goes out the window, wider and the distortion gets too great. My other favorite is my DJI Pocket 3 which is even better for natural and alive (and stabilization) but limited to wide angle.
The FX30 was the best investment I made last year. I love mine so much! Really hoping Tamron update the 17-70 2.8 to a G2 soon. Would be an amazing package!
Something I think would be interesting to add is that the FX30 is also probably the best Value for a video camera on the market right now. I opted to go for the FX3 for the low light performance benefits, but really I think thats the only area where the FX3 really is a blatant improvement to the FX30. I've watched countless of videos on TH-cam of people using FX30s and I think they look fantastic.
about that 5.5 stops: Pretty sure that that rating doesn't include panning behavior. Also, crop factor can be directly applied. So 5.5 stops on a full frame camera translates to 3.7 stops with the same camera in APSC-mode. Sorrry to invalidate your point about M4/3 cameras: Patrick is right, the M4/3 advantage is purely due to lots of space for huge body / small sensor reasons. And Panasonic experimenting very early with dual stabilization certainly helps...
i love my fx30. I called up Sony and they were kind enough to let me test out all their cameras in my budget range for however long I wanted. I saw some reviews that said how FX30 is too noisy or how it has too slow rolling shutter but from my testing I just didn't find that to be the case (to be fair I'm a colorist and I love flexible footage that's not overly processed). Yeah the fx30 footage needs some work - like any cinema camera - but I love the straight out of camera colors and I love how easy it is to get any look that I want out of the footage. The news of Sony's upcoming firmware in september with shutter angle and other bells and whistlels was just the cherry on top.
@7:30 @geraldundone yes, the A1 has a 16mm lens on and the FX30 has a 10mm lens on, but you're not accounting for the crop factor. The 16mm lens is 16 on full frame. The 10mm lens is a 15mm equivalent for the crop/aps-c sensor on the FX30. The FOV for each of these setups is essentially the same. I'm sure you already know this, but the way you're explaining it in this video makes it sound like the smaller sensors just naturally enable a wider field of view for the image, but that's not the case. The 7mm glass you referenced going onto a micro-4/3 sensor camera doesn't have a super wide FOV. After taking into account the 2x crop factor for that sensor, it's a 14mm equivalent for full frame, which is very close to the 16mm you're working with. Again, just want to clarify this for people watching who may get the wrong idea about what switching to a crop sensor really means, especially in regards to the lens offerings.
Very interesting topic! Now I got so curious how does the FX3 stabilization works against a7SIII since they sharing the same sensor too. Would FX3 be: 1) Better IQ than ZV-E10 II 2) Robust IBIS of FX30 body 3)Same footprint with 16-25 f2.8
Yea telling videographers to use a software instead of finding a fix of physical Ibis is just diabolical . Sony should really pull up with there efforts in Ibis . The a6700 is the best example , all they could done was pop the fx30 sensor into a a7 mk4 body with some optimization and called it a day ! . Still gotta admit what magic does Apple use for their iphones !
I have the A7SIII, which I love a lot, and just bought the A7RV, which is another beast. Planning to get an FX30 or two for streaming weddings/events and shoulder rig. A7SIII isn't that shaking when rigged out, and the A7RV has an insane IBIS with 8-stops. I think the FX30 with the PZ 18-105mm f4 OSS G would be a killer combo. Thought of buying the 28-135 f4 OSS G which is a beast but costs around 4x the price of the PZ 18-105 f4 (27-157mm f6 equivalent).
Was going to ask why don't you pair it with s gimbal, but yeah, actually, as someone who has used gimbals a fair bit I got to agree on that. It's so hard to react to something spontaneous with a gimbal. You totally have to at least have a rough idea for your shot and set the gimbal to the correct mode etc. In situations like that you just end up fighting the gimbal which sucks.
I own 7 Sony FX6 for my multicam studio setup. I need very long lenses which simply don't have the open aperture. I use now for location production mostly 5 Sony FX30 with lenses that have a 1.4 aperture and a 85 mm lens is long enough with the 1.6 factor on an APS sensor. 4k quality is not that important to me, as I record always on ATEM in HD mode to get synchronized video and audio files. I have used 4k in camera-recording with Deity synchronisation which is great for TV production, but overkill for Internet use. I have a 4k Tricaster for live 4k recording but it needs a really well experienced operator and a lot of pre-production work to get it right. So yes, the Sony FX30 is a solid work horse. BTW, if I want stabilised footage I use DJI OSMO 3.
The zve1 has that dynamic active stabilization which is also pretty crazy. Kinda feels like catalyst browse in camera. There are some downside to using that but it’s great for broll product shots
The A9III has great stabilization. I feel it’s only second to the Panasonic S5II/x. It’s by far Sony’s best video shooter. You should do over under test to see the exposure latitude… you will be surprised.
ZV-E1 with the dyanamic active would work well for that. Gyro option in Sony is good but not user friendly. Blackmagic gyro works great in it's seamlessly integrated into DaVinci Resolve
I upgraded to the fx30 from the a6500 and had my fx30 14 days before release date because I have a Sony Electronics membership , I also didn’t pay taxes 😊 the membership is 100 bucks a year 😊
Sony might be using different IBIS algorithms between the 2 cameras. The A1 is primarily a stills-centered camera, so maybe they use an algorithm that works better for stills. The FX30 might be using an algorithm that is better for video since it's primarily a video-centered camera. I understand that the A1 is great at both, but that's just a theory I have.
It because E-Mount was design at first for APSC, and with Full Frame it not have enough room to move sensor like with smaller sensor. Panasonic design L Mount to work with Full Frame thats why they have best ibis on market, and Sony can only improve it's IBIS by software which they did, but it have many downside.
Sony's e mount is a very small mount, originally designed for more compact cameras. As a result, a full frame sensor has less room to move for stabilization purposes. The smaller mount opening allows enough room for a crop sensor to move for IBIS, so it makes sense that it might work a little better. Canon's rf mount is huge, which gives the sensor more room to move for IBIS, but creates other issues. No system is perfect, and the engineers do a decent job across brands to make the cameras very functional.
Same thing with the a6700: Video image stabilization with the 10-20mm f/4 or the 15mm f/1.4 is near perfect with Active Steadyshot. That's why, these two lenses are my vlogging setup - the 10-20 for daylight and the 15 when it gets dark. I don't need a gimbal anymore with Sony wide angle lenses on my a6700. But unfortunately, Active Steadyshot only works with Sony lenses, but not at all or at least much worse with third party lenses. It's strange that in lens reviews, it's so rarely mentioned that Sigma or Tamron or Viltrox lenses will give you MASSIVELY worse video stabilization than Sony lenses. That's the only reason why I'm thinking about selling my otherwise excellent Sigma 18-50 for the Sony 16-55.
This is all well and good but 16mm f/4 APS-C is equivalent to an iPhone 15Pro, at 10mm it's even worse in terms of subject/background separation . So you're getting a pretty minor advantage over just shooting with a phone, no? - also how does the ZV-E1 stack up here?
speaking of comparing cameras with seemingly similar hardware, I shoot both on the FX30 as my A cam and use my A6700 as a B cam I hand to friends when we shoot multi cam "vlog" style videos for our drag racing team. The pre amps on the FX30 seem to be MUCH better, as I use the same mic (Rode VideoMicro) and same settings on both cameras, and the FX30 rarely ever experiences any heavy distortion or clipping with the loud cars, but the A6700 seems to fall apart quickly in the same scenarios. The sound is much sharper and harsher even with EQ tweaked, and dialogue volume is much lower again even at the same settings. I love my sony bodies but man they have weird quirks lol
I think the a7SIII/FX3 (and maybe the a7IV) have similar IBIS and active stability to the FX30. It's probably not as smooth for all the reasons that you talk about in the video, but I don't think they're like overboosted or overly compensatory (?) like the a1
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"People are different when you have a smaller package."
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You can't do that ... can't just steal everyone's comment for yourself on your own video .... that's illegal!
@@noenken I’m talking to my lawyers here to see what can be done
A6700 feels the same?
🤣🤣
Some people get afraid to bigger packages, specially if you surprise them from behind...
two tools for the job right here and I’m not talking about the cameras
It's me. I'm the tool.
(The X100VI review.)
No! We are talking about caahhmeras.
Hey Patrick, I think this comment will be great for you and you really need to read this! Time to test it and compare with the FX3 and the Zeiss 16-35mm OSS, perhaps that will be better for you guys? Both has OSS, f4 and both have the same bodies. As far as I know the FX3 has better stabilization that FX30!
Also try to throw the Sigma 10-18mm f2.8 and 16-35mm f4 PZ because you might need power zoom in his workflow, and see how OSS or lack of it affected your shot. This is because the 10-20mm has OSS and that might be the reason for the better stabilization. That way you might still get to use the full frame lineup.
You're the only person that can test this combination of this 4 lens and 2 bodies that I trust. You have the resources and I really need to know this for my next purchase!
@@shzammpatapon9865 The FX3 (which i've shot with a lot) has the same IBIS issues as the A1, a7siii, a7iv etc - The OSS can help a bit but it still fights you and gets noticeable jerky for the way we film these. Could work for your use case though!
Also subjectively I prefer the oversampled 6K out of the FX30 to the FX3's 4K.
Ha ha 😂😂
Patrick is actually my uncle and he got me an fx30 for christmas last year, love it so far
@@ZachMayfield You’re welcome, nephew.
Sometimes Cheaper is Better was written under my yearbook picture.
LOL
and the whole year loved you for it
Mark you are something else😂, a big fan
LOL
What a cheap comment.. and i like it! 👌
the fx30 is a budget beast! i own two of them for my production. they're worth every single penny ❤ great video 🔥
What lens do you use?
@@DarkPa1adin usually a 24-70mm and a 16mm sigma for a fixed top down + face cam setup. other lenses too when I'm shooting different multicam scenarios :)
love to see a video title like this
Are you still using your canon?
Why did I get unsubbed from you 😡been following since like 2011
mr canon rebel himself
The more I see the FX30 covered in reviews and comparisons, the more I think of keeping the FX30 no matter what other cameras interest me. Hands down, the FX30 is a great camera.
It's always good to see the two creators I trust the most together for a collab. More Undone and Tomasso collabs, please.
The more I use my FX30 the more I appreciate its capabilities!
I have an FX3 and FX30. I'm very impressed with the FX30, but definitely notice a difference in low light scenarios vs the FX3.
What about the really loose audio mic input jack?
Guys, that was a great video. I have the A1, and the stabilisation is as you say, meh, that said, what I absolutely love is that I can shoot in 8K and have a slightly broader scene and reframe in post. For people like me, who are not very skilled, this is really powerful. You hear people say why do you record in 8K when you don’t have an 8K TV, but they’re missing the point of the power and value of shooting in a 8K, cropping, re-framing or creating a pan when there was no original movement in the camera. So my friends, while I might be a Muppet in my skill level, it would seem there are people who are Muppet like than even me.
I bought the G9II and I couldn't be happier, it does everything I need from the GH7 in a smaller package.
You guys have such a good chemistry with each other. I want to see a (very silly) Studio Undone where Patrick is in front of the camera critiquing Gerald's studio and Gerald has to defend himself while operating the camera for Patrick. Keep up the great work you two!
YES!!!!!!!!!!
Big fan of this style of video. It’s nice to follow what you guys have been shooting with the tours and then breaking down why you use a certain camera.
I've shot plenty of commercial work on the FX30, price should never discourage you from thinking equipment is professional or not.
I am keeping my GH5, simply the best for handheld.
Gh5 is stellar puts all others to shame...
Loved the conversation with Patrick, we need more Gerald + Patrick
I think the a6700 is rated at 5 stops vs FX30's 5.5 stops, so I would very much be interested in seeing that test as I have both cameras myself and wonder which I should bring for run and gun situations!
the A6700 ibis is awful, i test when walking and it's really bad
All of those reasons are why I love my a9iii. Incredible stabilization and incredible picture - it’s often overlooked as a video camera, but I think it’s the best middle ground in all these areas that you can get right now.
Agreed. I marvel at how amazing it is in video.
That Panasonic stabilization is untouchable.
I just bought the Lumix S5iiX and I love it... The FX30 has a place in my heart and I still want it... But I need to get better at stroytelling, audio and lighting. Love the collab "tools" hahaha
So wish I went with the FX30 over the ZV-E1 - constant overheating is killing me. But will now try out active stabilization
I don't know if it's the same problem but on my a7IV I allowed overheating in settings and I've never overheated once even in short interviews "40 min" 4k25 or shooting with the sun of spain!
Ulanzi CA25 fan solves the problem
@@snappy8k Agreed; I use Ulanzi fan for tripod/handheld and a Tilta cooling unit for gimbal with a power brick attached (that also recharges the gimbal!)
@@killian2826 yeah it has a similar setting. However after 30-45mins it will shut down due to overheating even with all the ports/doors open
@@weddingsbyryanfitch thanks. Will take a look at those. Fans noticeable in audio recordings?
Patrick is the reason I got my fx30. No plans to update to Full frame any time soon
Does the A6700 do the same thing as the FX30 with the quality IBIS and Active Stab. seeming to work with you?
Went for the FX30 last year and everyday I thank myself for it. I don't care about Full Frame and I do video professionnally.
Paired with the right lenses (Sigma 30 F1,4, Sigma 16 F1,4 and Tamron 11-20 F2,8) and the right lighting the image is absolutely stunning !
do you have any footage? and why not the viltrox 1.2 lenses?
@@mdenjoyer831 Some footage on my Channel directly (nerdy musical content in French aha sorry I guess)
I also sometimes use my ZVE10 for content creation.
I always specify what camera in the description.
I actually didn't know the Viltrox existed so I went for the Sigma 16. If the 16 breaks, I'd likely replace it with the Viltrox 13mm
Appreciate you guys and your dedication to the craft 🙌🏻
does the a6700 have as good stabilization as the fx30? i love me some viewfinder!
Is the stab in the A6700 the same as the FX30? Similar?
I recently got the ZV-E1, and aside from adding a $70 external fan to manage overheating during long shoots, I absolutely love it and its features. As a newcomer to cameras, having upgraded from an iPhone 15 Pro Max, I've found the ZV-E1 to be a fantastic choice. The IBIS (In-Body Image Stabilization) is excellent-especially for my wife, who tends to be quite shaky. It really helps in both videos and photography.
Choosing the right camera was challenging since I had no idea what to look for or understand much of the camera jargon. We compared the ZV-E1, FX3, FX30, and A7S III. Ultimately, we chose the ZV-E1 because it’s newer, more affordable, has AI features, and includes a Full Frame sensor. I believe it’s a great camera to learn on, and when I get more experienced, I might upgrade. For now, though, the ZV-E1 is the perfect tool for the job.
ZV-E1 all night long. Low light cheapie! Same sensor as FX3/A7SIII but with newer firmware. I shoot Blackmagic but if I had or (have in the future) low light issues, I'd buy this. FX30 ain't so good in low light, those two knuckleheads above going on with their "shooting in the studio" blah. Out in the real world (i.e. not in youtubeland), you may want to shoot at twilight without breaking the bank. Fun video though, good chemistry between those two.
Love watching both of you on camera together yall make a great team
Patrick is a great content creator and filmmaker man nice to see his face finally
How does the fx30 v a6700 ibis compare?
sure people at sony are like: how can we make our flagship worse than the vloggers cameras we sell? STILL NO LUT SUPPORT FOR THE A1
The FX 30 is not the vlog camera
@@jean-philippegrignom6479he was talking about zv e10 ii
Why didn’t you talk about ZV-E1 in stabilisation comparisons? Curious about its mechanism too!
I second that
I shoot my videos all across the world and use the Sony ZV-1 now mostly because of its compact and unobtrusive size. Like Patrick noted, having the smaller camera package really puts subjects at ease.
Hey Gerald, I think this comment will be great for you and you really need to read this! Time to test it and compare with the FX3 and the Zeiss 16-35mm OSS, perhaps that will be better for you guys? Both has OSS, f4 and both have the same bodies. As far as I know the FX3 has better stabilization that FX30!
Also try to throw the Sigma 10-18mm f2.8 and 16-35mm f4 PZ because Patrick might need power zoom in his workflow, and see how OSS or lack of it affected your shot. This is because the 10-20mm has OSS and that might be the reason for the better stabilization. That way you might still get to use the full frame lineup.
You're the only person that can test this combination of this 4 lens and 2 bodies that I trust.
My curiosity is, how come the fx30 footage in every tour videos can be so clean? I mean its footage really is kinda grainy even at base ISO.. do you clean it in post?
i've personally never seen this grain issue with FX30 - pretty much only ever use 800, 1600, and 2500. i have videos on my 2nd channel about low light. it's great.
How is the A7S3 and FX3 vs the FX30? can you test that to?
It's better in low light, and of course full frame. the FX30 is sharper, and it's noticeable. I have both, use them both together. the FX30 and apsc lenses are far cheaper, and lighter.
An important note here is that the Sony mount was designed before in body image stabilization existed, it is too small to allow IBIS to work properly.
With an APS-C sensor there is then plenty of room to do IBIS properly.
My ZvE1 does the xact same thing as the a9 when its on active stab. its so annoying lol
I have an A6700. I love it but want a second camera to go with it and I have really been considering the FX30 as my second camera instead of say an ZV E10m2 just so I can have a dedicated self cooled video camera.
On the note of stability. The A6700 seems to be a little twitchy. I am going to do some test using it with and without the IBIS and with and without the active stabe.
Hi Gerald Thanks for this video can you test this on A6700 too?
This is such and informative video gerald, providing insight into camera that i couldnt have discovered myself
We got 8 FX30s in for my job (Media IT at a university) and I have to put the kits together and managed them. The problem is that these are the best cameras students can check out at the university and word got out quickly. So of course it became a problem with students keeping them past the due date etc so now were implementing fines. I will say, over the summer, i test out the cameras (because students dont take care of shit) and I definitely think they are worth the money. I have an A7c so stabilization and 4k 120 footage is pretty neat. The crop bugs me but, I can get past that. If you're doing videos, this is a no brainer....the photos are kinda ass lmao.
Always nice to receive validation from these two that I bought the right camera for the job!
Good conversation. I have enjoyed my fx30s but have not utilized the stabilization much yet. This gives me confidence to push them more.
How does the stabilization compare to the fx30?
as someone who doesnt currently own sony, the FX30 is still on my wishlist. its way too cool looking has killer stats and all the mounting points i have ideas for rigging out.
How is the Full Frame ZV-E1 doin in that subject?
7:08 - pushing the ISO to 1600 - Gerald and Patrick wouldn't it be better to utilize the dual native ISO of 2500 when trying to get better noise performance? Great video , you two have awesome chemistry... Would 100% listen to a podcast hosted by you both! Think about it ;)
Yeah I was wondering that too as the FX30 as two base ISO sensitivities 800 and 2500, 1600 will be nosier than 2500.
@@KDHildreth simple answer? i don't care - complicated answer, i'm not dealing with jumping to 2500 and then stopping the lens down more in a run and gun on the fly situation. It's not like it's even noticeably noisy unless you're pixel peeping, which again... we're not making a movie. Truth be told we could probably shoot these on an iPhone.
Can't go wrong with the Fx30.
Even the stills look amazing
I shot a travel documentary earlier this year on the FX30, and after a few days I found myself annoyed by the IBIS and ended up turning it off after a few days. It was great for walk-and-talk vérité style shooting, but when I was trying to get actual shots, I got really annoyed by the IBIS ‘catching up’ to the movements. Made post production really annoying for those first few days, but after turning it off the DaVinci Resolve stabilisation really managed to deal with all the footage extremely well. We shot handheld hanging out of car windows while driving full blast and it looked excellent after the Resolve stabilisation.
Love the FX30 :)
ZVE10 II would be cheaper and achieve the same.
@@saturn_fpv didn't exist when I shot it, and doesn't suit my preferred style of shooting.
Professional FX30 user here too. I do both photography and videography on it. Other than very low light disadvantages, its an amazing camera.
Thanks for sharing, needed to hear this.
Really enjoyed this talk as I am saving up for a FX30
Great job on the video folks! Thanks for making it.
Small sensor -> Action video
Big sensor -> Tripod or 3D Gimbal
I love my Panny G9, might not get the best IQ, but stabilization is just amazing. Best I've ever seen so far (probably the G9-II is the only one actually better, can't afford that one yet)
S5ii would like a word
@@JJARCHIEA lot of tests show the new m4/3 stabilization is even better than the s5ii stabilization. The s5ii’s ibis is still amazing though
@@DangAlvinFilms This is probably simply physics. Bigger sensor = more mass = more inertia, cannot be controlled as precisely as a smaller, lighter sensor.
@@DangAlvinFilms i believe they will improve it, their m43 ibis went through twice as many revision compared to their ff ones
@@DangAlvinFilms you know i can agree with that , its only when 4k60 is needed that id switch.
Question: Does the FX30 active stabilization work just as good with Sony full frame lenses as it does with the APS-C glass? I have five full-frame Sony lenses and need a body with DECENT stabilization for handheld videos that'll go on social media. I was thinking of getting the Lumix G9ii + 12-35 f/2.8 Leica lens for this specific purpose, but, if I can just use the lenses I already have with the FX30, then add a little stabilization in post via Resolve, that'll save me money.
BTW thank you for making this video and bringing attention to the FX30 having the best video stabilization in Sony cameras.
Great video guys! Does the RV’s stabilization fare better than these two handheld? Thanks.
Absolutely love the fx30. It’s been my first camera and of course with new technology they’ll be things newer cameras can do that it can’t. But once it gives me the shots I want and the feeling I want to capture and it allows me to be creative and it essentially stays out of my way then it’s a great camera. The fx30 at any point I’d say is a great camera
I have the A1 and FX30s as well .. I love both, but still wish the A1 would give us a little more for the investment.
How would this compare with Sonys new 8 stop stabilization on the A7rV and A9iii
How about you do a test of the a6700 with the Ulanzi fan to reduce overheating?
FX30 is noticeably better with its IBIS over the a6700. Couldn’t tell you why, maybe it’s the increased body size. Idk 🤷♂️
Even the ibis rating is lower by half a stop on the a6700 at 5 stops vs 5.5 stops on the fx30.
It’s a dang mystery.
The reason for this is, that it's much easier for a camera to stablize a APSC (cropped Sensor) Camera than a full frame because yes the sensor is smaller and works better, better performance and better speed because the camera processing system doesn't have to work as hard with APSC sensor..
This is part of the reason the other is, that well The Fx30 is a newer technology, and so the IBIS system is a better hardware system than the Alpha 1 of course, so yes it's going to do stabilization much better..
I have looked into this, my friend has an Alpha 1 and we notice better stabilization in the FX30 that i own, and wondering why at first, but then we figured it all out, #1 the FX30 has a better IBIS system (hardware) then the Alpha 1, and #2 the sensor is smaller so less work for the Camera's computer to process all that information, because it's a cropped sensor, so less data to hall..
So yes Generally APSC camera's will do better in stabilization..
If only Sony would do firmware updates to a $6,500 camera more than once in a lifetime, they could probably solve these issues!!! I wonder how Nikon fares in these tests, or as our say LUMIX, who both seem to be doing more with firmware updates…. Thanks for covering this, great stuff!
I consider the amount of stops, only applies to still photography.
Video stabilization is a completely different thing.
Jerks and wobbliness in corners does not affect still imaging in the same way at all.
I've used an FX30 since it was first released and love it, but now I use a DJI Osmo Pocket 3 for all my non-tripod video. What's your opinion about the smaller, one-inch sensor camera with a built-in gimbal? Is it worth the difference in image quality to have the smooth flow of pans and manual zooms?
I have noticed that on my A93 in active, stabilization is pretty amazing. I do get that occasional quick move jerkiness on panning. But it’s pretty minimal. It’s the best Sony stabilization I have ever used (and I have used most modern Sony cameras) and it’s especially good with Sony lenses. The native lenses make a huge difference with Active Stabilization.
Doesn't it have dynamic active too? How do you find it? Is it good, unnatural...?
@@RiccardoGabarriniKazeatari it does. And it’s great. I use it when walking and filming. It’s close to gimbal like
I shoot nature, handheld with the FX30 and the Tamron 18 - 300mm lens and it is not always perfect (sometimes far from) but it is really natural and alive. I love it. I also love the fact it doesn't weigh so much that I am put off taking it with me on my walks. I almost never put another lens on as the Tamron zoom can cover pretty much everything I want to capture (which means I don't loose the shot for the wrong lens). More zoom and handheld goes out the window, wider and the distortion gets too great. My other favorite is my DJI Pocket 3 which is even better for natural and alive (and stabilization) but limited to wide angle.
The FX30 was the best investment I made last year. I love mine so much! Really hoping Tamron update the 17-70 2.8 to a G2 soon. Would be an amazing package!
The fx30 is an underrated camera in my opinion. Solid choice for half the price of an FX3.
Something I think would be interesting to add is that the FX30 is also probably the best Value for a video camera on the market right now. I opted to go for the FX3 for the low light performance benefits, but really I think thats the only area where the FX3 really is a blatant improvement to the FX30. I've watched countless of videos on TH-cam of people using FX30s and I think they look fantastic.
about that 5.5 stops: Pretty sure that that rating doesn't include panning behavior. Also, crop factor can be directly applied. So 5.5 stops on a full frame camera translates to 3.7 stops with the same camera in APSC-mode. Sorrry to invalidate your point about M4/3 cameras: Patrick is right, the M4/3 advantage is purely due to lots of space for huge body / small sensor reasons. And Panasonic experimenting very early with dual stabilization certainly helps...
I love my FX30. Incredible value for the the price. Clients are always happy with end product.
i love my fx30. I called up Sony and they were kind enough to let me test out all their cameras in my budget range for however long I wanted. I saw some reviews that said how FX30 is too noisy or how it has too slow rolling shutter but from my testing I just didn't find that to be the case (to be fair I'm a colorist and I love flexible footage that's not overly processed). Yeah the fx30 footage needs some work - like any cinema camera - but I love the straight out of camera colors and I love how easy it is to get any look that I want out of the footage. The news of Sony's upcoming firmware in september with shutter angle and other bells and whistlels was just the cherry on top.
@7:30 @geraldundone yes, the A1 has a 16mm lens on and the FX30 has a 10mm lens on, but you're not accounting for the crop factor. The 16mm lens is 16 on full frame. The 10mm lens is a 15mm equivalent for the crop/aps-c sensor on the FX30. The FOV for each of these setups is essentially the same. I'm sure you already know this, but the way you're explaining it in this video makes it sound like the smaller sensors just naturally enable a wider field of view for the image, but that's not the case. The 7mm glass you referenced going onto a micro-4/3 sensor camera doesn't have a super wide FOV. After taking into account the 2x crop factor for that sensor, it's a 14mm equivalent for full frame, which is very close to the 16mm you're working with. Again, just want to clarify this for people watching who may get the wrong idea about what switching to a crop sensor really means, especially in regards to the lens offerings.
Best in the lineup? What about the zv-e1's dynamic active stabilization?
FX3 active stabe is beautiful as well. I would even film some client events hand held without feeling stressed about stability.
Very interesting topic!
Now I got so curious how does the FX3 stabilization works against a7SIII since they sharing the same sensor too. Would FX3 be:
1) Better IQ than ZV-E10 II
2) Robust IBIS of FX30 body
3)Same footprint with 16-25 f2.8
great conversation
Yea telling videographers to use a software instead of finding a fix of physical Ibis is just diabolical . Sony should really pull up with there efforts in Ibis . The a6700 is the best example , all they could done was pop the fx30 sensor into a a7 mk4 body with some optimization and called it a day ! . Still gotta admit what magic does Apple use for their iphones !
I have the A7SIII, which I love a lot, and just bought the A7RV, which is another beast. Planning to get an FX30 or two for streaming weddings/events and shoulder rig. A7SIII isn't that shaking when rigged out, and the A7RV has an insane IBIS with 8-stops. I think the FX30 with the PZ 18-105mm f4 OSS G would be a killer combo. Thought of buying the 28-135 f4 OSS G which is a beast but costs around 4x the price of the PZ 18-105 f4 (27-157mm f6 equivalent).
Was going to ask why don't you pair it with s gimbal, but yeah, actually, as someone who has used gimbals a fair bit I got to agree on that. It's so hard to react to something spontaneous with a gimbal. You totally have to at least have a rough idea for your shot and set the gimbal to the correct mode etc. In situations like that you just end up fighting the gimbal which sucks.
I own 7 Sony FX6 for my multicam studio setup. I need very long lenses which simply don't have the open aperture. I use now for location production mostly 5 Sony FX30 with lenses that have a 1.4 aperture and a 85 mm lens is long enough with the 1.6 factor on an APS sensor. 4k quality is not that important to me, as I record always on ATEM in HD mode to get synchronized video and audio files. I have used 4k in camera-recording with Deity synchronisation which is great for TV production, but overkill for Internet use. I have a 4k Tricaster for live 4k recording but it needs a really well experienced operator and a lot of pre-production work to get it right. So yes, the Sony FX30 is a solid work horse. BTW, if I want stabilised footage I use DJI OSMO 3.
Still absolutely love my Alpha 1, just is superb at both stills and video, and in a very compact body.
The zve1 has that dynamic active stabilization which is also pretty crazy. Kinda feels like catalyst browse in camera. There are some downside to using that but it’s great for broll product shots
Fair points but the A1 is a hybrid camera.
Switching from the a7siii to the fx30 I noticed straight away the ibis was much better, no regrets in the switch so far!
The A9III has great stabilization. I feel it’s only second to the Panasonic S5II/x. It’s by far Sony’s best video shooter. You should do over under test to see the exposure latitude… you will be surprised.
Spanner in the works, what about the ZV-E1 stabilization? It’s superb!
Thanks and great perspective! How do you feel about the ZV-E1 active dynamic vs FX30 Active?
ZV-E1 with the dyanamic active would work well for that.
Gyro option in Sony is good but not user friendly. Blackmagic gyro works great in it's seamlessly integrated into DaVinci Resolve
I upgraded to the fx30 from the a6500 and had my fx30 14 days before release date because I have a Sony Electronics membership , I also didn’t pay taxes 😊 the membership is 100 bucks a year 😊
I love the fx30. The only thing is now viewfinder. It would be the perfect camera for me if it ONLY have that viewfinder.
the A6700 is an FX30 with a viewfinder
So this is better than the A7Cii or a7rV with 7 and 8 stops of stabilization? I guess I'll buy the a6700 tomorrow?!
Sony might be using different IBIS algorithms between the 2 cameras. The A1 is primarily a stills-centered camera, so maybe they use an algorithm that works better for stills. The FX30 might be using an algorithm that is better for video since it's primarily a video-centered camera. I understand that the A1 is great at both, but that's just a theory I have.
It because E-Mount was design at first for APSC, and with Full Frame it not have enough room to move sensor like with smaller sensor. Panasonic design L Mount to work with Full Frame thats why they have best ibis on market, and Sony can only improve it's IBIS by software which they did, but it have many downside.
Sony's e mount is a very small mount, originally designed for more compact cameras. As a result, a full frame sensor has less room to move for stabilization purposes. The smaller mount opening allows enough room for a crop sensor to move for IBIS, so it makes sense that it might work a little better. Canon's rf mount is huge, which gives the sensor more room to move for IBIS, but creates other issues. No system is perfect, and the engineers do a decent job across brands to make the cameras very functional.
Same thing with the a6700: Video image stabilization with the 10-20mm f/4 or the 15mm f/1.4 is near perfect with Active Steadyshot. That's why, these two lenses are my vlogging setup - the 10-20 for daylight and the 15 when it gets dark. I don't need a gimbal anymore with Sony wide angle lenses on my a6700. But unfortunately, Active Steadyshot only works with Sony lenses, but not at all or at least much worse with third party lenses. It's strange that in lens reviews, it's so rarely mentioned that Sigma or Tamron or Viltrox lenses will give you MASSIVELY worse video stabilization than Sony lenses. That's the only reason why I'm thinking about selling my otherwise excellent Sigma 18-50 for the Sony 16-55.
This is all well and good but 16mm f/4 APS-C is equivalent to an iPhone 15Pro, at 10mm it's even worse in terms of subject/background separation . So you're getting a pretty minor advantage over just shooting with a phone, no? - also how does the ZV-E1 stack up here?
speaking of comparing cameras with seemingly similar hardware, I shoot both on the FX30 as my A cam and use my A6700 as a B cam I hand to friends when we shoot multi cam "vlog" style videos for our drag racing team. The pre amps on the FX30 seem to be MUCH better, as I use the same mic (Rode VideoMicro) and same settings on both cameras, and the FX30 rarely ever experiences any heavy distortion or clipping with the loud cars, but the A6700 seems to fall apart quickly in the same scenarios. The sound is much sharper and harsher even with EQ tweaked, and dialogue volume is much lower again even at the same settings. I love my sony bodies but man they have weird quirks lol
I think the a7SIII/FX3 (and maybe the a7IV) have similar IBIS and active stability to the FX30. It's probably not as smooth for all the reasons that you talk about in the video, but I don't think they're like overboosted or overly compensatory (?) like the a1
Isn't the a7rv has the best ibis?
Gerald, when you drill down, you're at your best relevance as a reviewer. I didn't care about IBIS in Sony cameras---but somehow, I do now!