We... Already can. There are several handheld pc's currently. They are necessarily larger, due to needing screens and an interface. But they certainly exist.
You should put some MW2 benchmark video in these mini PCs for us disturbed people that play CoD during lunch break in the office without our desktop 😂😍🙏🏻
This early look is very promising considering the demonstrated gaming performance. Seems inline with other Pheniox (7840u) handhelds. Hopefully they finally fixed the horribly broken power limits that made their previous Minisforum EM680 perform about %35 below other 6800u mini pc in gaming.
i Got my Em680 to 47W stable but you have to have the know how in tweaking the bios PWR settings. It also helps to have an App called "Universal x86 Tuning Utility" it allows you to utilize More Power allocation etc. hope that helps
The EM680 is designed to only run at 15w, this is what MinisForum told me even though it's advertised as a 30w PC. The "special bios" that is available was released to shit up people complaining that their EM680 won't go past 15w. I have a feeling that the EM780 is also a 15w PC. Notice in the Cyberpunk demo, CPU Package Power is 35w and so is the total TDP, he doesn't show the GPU side and is not running this PC with "out of the box" settings. He lied about the EM680 so he's probably lying about this EM780 too
At least his reviewer unit appears legit. The benchmark scores are all within error margin of other 7840U devices hes reviewed (Aokzoe A2 for example) but I guess if this becomes another bait and switch you can always return it?
I want to see the comparison between all Ryzen 7840 laptop, handheld, and mini pc. Which form factor actually bring the best performance, and pros/cons on every form factor
A laptop would be better among all of those. Comes with the necessary components to use a computer in one device: monitor, touchpad and keyboard, hence it's more bang for the buck. The problem with a handheld is that the screen is too small. At the end of the day, it still depends on the use case but a laptop is an all-in-one device and can do more than what a mini pc and a handheld can do.
@@ominoussagei have a gaming laptop and never use it in laptop mode and it's always plugged in to the power so I paid $2000 for nothing i could've bought a mini pc instead for less, and just buy an external gpu for better performance
Finally! I don't regret buying the EM680 but... I wish there had been ANY COMMUNICATION AT ALL about when this would come out because I definitely would have just waited... 😒
Wow, this looks an awesome little machine. Performance is great for something so tiny. I'm out of the loop on pricing so was expecting it to be a lot but I checked and they're going for €720 with the 1TB SSD. That's pretty cheap considering everything you're getting and the form factor.
9:22 while the settings are 1080p med, it's pretty obvious there's some resolution scaling going on. It looks more like 640p or at the very least 720p. The pixels are giant.
Same 65w PSU as the troubled throttling cpu and gpu while under load em680 which Minisforum put a bios change into newly delivered machines that stated if users wish to fully utilize the potential of the 6800u they could not use the provided 65w PSU but had to buy a 100W one themselves. Nice addition of the Rj45 breakout box though.
that restriction was lifted though, I (and many others on reddit) can confirm the new bios now works with the 65W supply, with moderate performance increases.
Hi. This is a great review. Question for you. Hoping you can help out a busy dad that wants to game on his TV every now and then. I'm trying to find the easiest path to play Steam games on my TV. I want something I can mount on the wall behind the TV so wife can't see it. Is this the mini PC you'd recommend?
APUs are getting so much capable these days. I wonder when we are going to see affordable, efficient, Lightweight laptops that can do almost everything with these APUs
Pity you don't bench 3Dmark on all of the miniPCs, it is a nice comparison that drops (I hope at least) leaves gimmicks at the door (XeSS, DLSS, FSR). Anyway, just compared 3Dmark scores for various miniPCs you tested, this little one thanks to the 6400 LPDDR5 memory comes very close to the big boys (7840HS and 7940HS) while using only 50% or less of their power consumption. I'd love to compare this to the new intel 155H, but you left out 3Dmark on that one ...
Can you do a video about AMD Fluid Motion Frames with mini PCs & handhelds using the 780m? Would be interesting to see how / if it enhances the gaming experience
I love all this small stuff! Also I would like to see a possible video on the RTX 4000 ADA Edition SFF! I’ve only seen one video one it and it needs more attention!!!
Is it possible to connect 4 Monitor Setup on this PC? Im searching a fast Mini PC to replace my big System, but for that i need one wich can handle 4 Displays.
Just imagine one of these things powered by Zen 5 in a year from now. That would put a lot bigger thicker machines that are currently on the market to shame. Not that this one doesn't.
How about noise levels? In order to consider it for everyday work, it would need to be really quiet with light to average load (browser with 6-8 tabs, remote desktop to work machine, webex or zoom running, email client and some office documents opened).
hey man, love your videos! Pulling only 6 Watts in idle is plainly amazing for an x86 processor! Would love to see some testing with a Linux distro such as Pop_OS! Could you include a section regarding fan noise as well?
will the same situation happen that happened with em680, will minisforum release a bios update that lets you use a 100w GAN power brick for higher performance?
Problem is the price...its the price of a Z1 extreme ROG Ally which is basically the same as this when plugged in, goes to 40watts, and has a handheld and screen attached to it. While its bigger than this thing its also narrowerr so the shape isnt that diffficult to carry. If fhis thijg was more like $450 USD then sure it would make sense
Whilst I watch a lot of your videos I'm not a gamer. I watch the videos for the hardware and specifications. It's great that you show wattages and power consumption for games to eek out a little more performance. But what I'm interested in, especially with regards to thermal throttling, is video editing. The use of video editing is graphics intensive and whilst exporting video I'm interested if these mini PC's would hit thermal throttle when exporting a 15 or 30 minute video. Maybe some information regarding this aspect might be of interest? I don't see a lot of YT videos including this aspect of hardware performance. Would be great if you could include this? Especially for this mini PC.
Anyone want to see Steam OS running on Micro PC? I think we could see some amazing performance out of the mini pc
I do!
yes please
Try Nobara they have a new deck variant" with gaming mode for ryzen handhelds
Yesssssir 🔥🔥🔥
Emudeck please
I have just bought one of these I love it. Got myself a portable monitor too as I go away work quite a bit.
Thanks for the videos pal!
Theyre getting smaller and more powerful. Soon well we be able to access and play full pc games right from our pockets.
We... Already can. There are several handheld pc's currently. They are necessarily larger, due to needing screens and an interface. But they certainly exist.
Ayaneo Air1s is the most pocketable imo
mini fit ur pocket, i really love it, the best handheld i have ever own
We already can. Heck people are already playing Gta 5 and other pc games on their android phone now with the Mobox emulator.
Imagine a Pip-boy-like computer you could use that's very capable.
I never thought I'd ever see a PC that'd I'd label as "adorable" until now. :D
I love tiny PCs. CPU's with internal GPU's are incredible.
You should put some MW2 benchmark video in these mini PCs for us disturbed people that play CoD during lunch break in the office without our desktop 😂😍🙏🏻
This early look is very promising considering the demonstrated gaming performance. Seems inline with other Pheniox (7840u) handhelds. Hopefully they finally fixed the horribly broken power limits that made their previous Minisforum EM680 perform about %35 below other 6800u mini pc in gaming.
i Got my Em680 to 47W stable but you have to have the know how in tweaking the bios PWR settings.
It also helps to have an App called "Universal x86 Tuning Utility" it allows you to utilize More Power allocation etc.
hope that helps
@@AresHeartbreaKid seems that the only way to get proper gaming performance on your mini pc is to use a special bios and a 100w power adapter.
The EM680 is designed to only run at 15w, this is what MinisForum told me even though it's advertised as a 30w PC. The "special bios" that is available was released to shit up people complaining that their EM680 won't go past 15w.
I have a feeling that the EM780 is also a 15w PC.
Notice in the Cyberpunk demo, CPU Package Power is 35w and so is the total TDP, he doesn't show the GPU side and is not running this PC with "out of the box" settings.
He lied about the EM680 so he's probably lying about this EM780 too
At least his reviewer unit appears legit. The benchmark scores are all within error margin of other 7840U devices hes reviewed (Aokzoe A2 for example) but I guess if this becomes another bait and switch you can always return it?
@@AresHeartbreaKidsome more details would be helpful, thanks.
2.17 BIOS? 100W PD supply? 45w or 54w in BIOS settings? what config in tuning utility?
I want to see the comparison between all Ryzen 7840 laptop, handheld, and mini pc. Which form factor actually bring the best performance, and pros/cons on every form factor
Yes, please
A laptop would be better among all of those. Comes with the necessary components to use a computer in one device: monitor, touchpad and keyboard, hence it's more bang for the buck. The problem with a handheld is that the screen is too small.
At the end of the day, it still depends on the use case but a laptop is an all-in-one device and can do more than what a mini pc and a handheld can do.
I really hope the steam deck 2 offers an XL option with a size similar to the legion go. I need a bigger screen. @ominoussage
Yes, please, this would be good information, especially for those who already have a monitor.
@@ominoussagei have a gaming laptop and never use it in laptop mode and it's always plugged in to the power so I paid $2000 for nothing i could've bought a mini pc instead for less, and just buy an external gpu for better performance
Finally! I don't regret buying the EM680 but... I wish there had been ANY COMMUNICATION AT ALL about when this would come out because I definitely would have just waited... 😒
Can't wait to see something like RX 6600 level of performance in a system this small.
Morefine has one with the 6600
The cost of 4k Video/1080p Medium gaming is going down and down in both money and wattage. I wholeheartedly approve.
How is that 1.4L? I'm pretty sure you meant 0.4L
1/4L
@@vierkilau 1/4L = 0.25 L
Would you be able to do an EM680 vs EM780 comparison?
love that ETAPRIME always keep us up to date with mini gaming system !! Mini gaming system ftw !!
I can’t wait to see of these with strix point
Wow, this looks an awesome little machine. Performance is great for something so tiny. I'm out of the loop on pricing so was expecting it to be a lot but I checked and they're going for €720 with the 1TB SSD. That's pretty cheap considering everything you're getting and the form factor.
They finally made it!
I would love to see Nobara OS running on this little dude.
I bought a ROG ally because of you, I love your content ETA!
Thanks for making me fall in love with portable handheld PCs again!
i was waiting for this, Thank you
Minisforum are geniuses, being able to fit 1.4 litres into a 1/4 litre shell.
Supports Steam Games and external HD game system?
Dude your videos are stellar. I'm so grateful for your reviews! Thank you, you gained a subscription. :)
would really love seeing you plug this to an eGPU!!
this is what I could use for higher end DIY arcade machines
I was thinking the same thing! It would be perfect for an arcade cabinet with limited space.
9:22 while the settings are 1080p med, it's pretty obvious there's some resolution scaling going on. It looks more like 640p or at the very least 720p. The pixels are giant.
is he deceiving us?
Quick question if you could only choose one based on weight and performance which one would you choose mini PC wise
The fact that this tiny pc is an emulation powerhouse and can play GTA5 and cyberpunk screams take my money! lol
Would love to see if the USB4 ports properly support a eGPU, could be a good use case for this.
Prime, how did you up the vram ? I cant find the setting in the bios
Same 65w PSU as the troubled throttling cpu and gpu while under load em680 which Minisforum put a bios change into newly delivered machines that stated if users wish to fully utilize the potential of the 6800u they could not use the provided 65w PSU but had to buy a 100W one themselves.
Nice addition of the Rj45 breakout box though.
that restriction was lifted though, I (and many others on reddit) can confirm the new bios now works with the 65W supply, with moderate performance increases.
@@lazypops3117does this apply to em780? or is this em680 specific?
Basically the ROG Ally in a different form factor with more RAM, even though the Ally can boost higher.
can you address on your next vlog the power supply failure issue of previous minisforum?
would love to see this machine paired up with oculink egpu setup!!!
looks like 35W capped gpu power during gaming. Is this after tweaking with tuning utility?
Can you compare this with the EM680?
How much memory can be allocated by video core in the BIOS?
Wish they make this with usbc for power and diplay. Would be fantastic with single cable.
It has PD with usb-c as far as I can tell
Id does and is shown in the video
4:17 it does confirmed
Hi. This is a great review. Question for you. Hoping you can help out a busy dad that wants to game on his TV every now and then. I'm trying to find the easiest path to play Steam games on my TV. I want something I can mount on the wall behind the TV so wife can't see it. Is this the mini PC you'd recommend?
Would love to see a video with external GPU via the usb4 ports
Love to see an emulation video with this micro pc update would be neat. This got my interest and I’m not a pc guy.
Thank you for your review man!
APUs are getting so much capable these days. I wonder when we are going to see affordable, efficient, Lightweight laptops that can do almost everything with these APUs
Pity you don't bench 3Dmark on all of the miniPCs, it is a nice comparison that drops (I hope at least) leaves gimmicks at the door (XeSS, DLSS, FSR). Anyway, just compared 3Dmark scores for various miniPCs you tested, this little one thanks to the 6400 LPDDR5 memory comes very close to the big boys (7840HS and 7940HS) while using only 50% or less of their power consumption. I'd love to compare this to the new intel 155H, but you left out 3Dmark on that one ...
Almost perfect mini pc. I can only say that it would be better with an oculink port.
Problem is the price...its the price of a Z1 extreme ROG Ally which is basically the same as this when plugged in
Are these benchmarks with or without fluid motion frames eneabled
I'm very excited to see Ryzen 8000U this year on mini pcs and handhelds
You can almost put this on a keychain..lol. Have you gotton a hold of the BD790i and did a build yet?
That + Fluid Motion frame : 😮
Also Morefine has the S500+ with the exact same chip but only 16 GB of RAM for only $389.
What software do you use to monitor PC performance?
Does anyone know how much this thing weighs and what the power draw when doing basic web-browsing is?
Can I use this as a home NAS and ex server?
Can you do a video about AMD Fluid Motion Frames with mini PCs & handhelds using the 780m? Would be interesting to see how / if it enhances the gaming experience
I would like to see emulation limits. Can it do PS3 & Xbox 360 to 5x? Can it play Switch games? What are the limits for console play?
I have the 680 running Manjaro Linux. Thinking of getting the 780.
What is the controller in the thumbnail (the white one with blue LED sticks)?
I love all this small stuff! Also I would like to see a possible video on the RTX 4000 ADA Edition SFF! I’ve only seen one video one it and it needs more attention!!!
Review the controller on the thumbnail (kk3 max?)
When you get your OneXGPU are you planning on watercooling it?
Is it possible to connect 4 Monitor Setup on this PC? Im searching a fast Mini PC to replace my big System, but for that i need one wich can handle 4 Displays.
Just imagine one of these things powered by Zen 5 in a year from now. That would put a lot bigger thicker machines that are currently on the market to shame. Not that this one doesn't.
How about noise levels? In order to consider it for everyday work, it would need to be really quiet with light to average load (browser with 6-8 tabs, remote desktop to work machine, webex or zoom running, email client and some office documents opened).
I always wondered something about these tiny pc...... can they be used to edit videos????.......
This is very impressive, finally getting mini PC's with 6400mt ram, hope 7500mt+ ram isn't far of.
What is higher version em or um
hey man, love your videos! Pulling only 6 Watts in idle is plainly amazing for an x86 processor! Would love to see some testing with a Linux distro such as Pop_OS! Could you include a section regarding fan noise as well?
Are you planning to have the ROG NUC on the channel??? It looks promising
hey prime can you do a video with this and your egpu
will the same situation happen that happened with em680, will minisforum release a bios update that lets you use a 100w GAN power brick for higher performance?
Finally the 7840U has gotten to about as close to 'peak' as it's ever going to get.
Also, how about high-end emulation? 🙂
Would love to See some blender usage on These 7840u's. With and without egpu
It’s a very nice review but i think if u somehow can add esport games in the testing on every product that would be great.. overall love ur work
How is this beating 7840hs? You did a video on it and MM could only run at 720? Thanks
I just got my EM780 unit. However, it won't power on with my USB-C (65W) of Samsung M7 monitor. Wonder why...
can u do a sinden light gun shooter games with this? or similar pc
could you test this with holoiso?
What a Windows variant an you used in this mini PC
Does it work on labtop Asus?
How long do these orders take typicality?
Problem is the price...its the price of a Z1 extreme ROG Ally which is basically the same as this when plugged in, goes to 40watts, and has a handheld and screen attached to it. While its bigger than this thing its also narrowerr so the shape isnt that diffficult to carry.
If fhis thijg was more like $450 USD then sure it would make sense
can this run external graphics cards like the G1 or other usb4 docks ?
4.0 20 gb .pd-dp. tb345 OFF
Honestly wish they'd make it a bit taller with a larger heatsink for an even sided cube.
I never had a PC,i want a small one but powerfull
Love your videos. Would it be any good for video and picture editing on
Awesome little unit, but damn do they sell out fast. They need to crank em out a little faster.
How much is the monitor?
Could you, if possible, benchmark age of empires 4 as well ? This tiny PC would be the best gift for someone I know who is interested in that game.
Neat little PC, I've got that same CPU in my laptop and I'm very happy with it.
only one word : incredible
can this get 64gb of ram?
Actually Mac Minis should be packed into this size too.
can you try it with kubuntu - that's my favorite distro. is the fan loud?
Is the fan replaceable?
crazy little machine
Whilst I watch a lot of your videos I'm not a gamer. I watch the videos for the hardware and specifications. It's great that you show wattages and power consumption for games to eek out a little more performance. But what I'm interested in, especially with regards to thermal throttling, is video editing. The use of video editing is graphics intensive and whilst exporting video I'm interested if these mini PC's would hit thermal throttle when exporting a 15 or 30 minute video. Maybe some information regarding this aspect might be of interest? I don't see a lot of YT videos including this aspect of hardware performance. Would be great if you could include this? Especially for this mini PC.
can you allocate more than 8gb to the gpu? if so, does it make a difference?
how about emulation with arch linux distro? more interested in the high end systems, PS2, GC, Wii/U and maybe some PS3
Great review
I would really love this