@@dj4monie Honestly I prefer to buy an old mini office PC (Lenovo, Dell or HP) with 3400g, i5-6500 or up. For daily tasks plus media center and consoles emulation they are fine.
according to their page, they are going to limit the power to 65w. I dont like the fact that the unit they gave you goes up to 80w because the performance here will be better than you will get with the actual unit. At 65w I rather get the minisforum XTX with the oculink port and higher wattage
Now we have solid base power it's time for Mini-PC's to shine, definitely a viable upgrade for light/medium users now without making too many compromises. If it can game well it's a very capable computer.
All these little small mini Ryzen PC's are really awesome! Although I would also totally understand if @ETA PRIME is getting a little tired of reviewing them after a while. They are starting to be the same thing, just ever so slightly little differences. Still huge thumbs up for providing us with a new video every single freaking day! 👍😎 Hats off for the amount of work you put into this! :)
@@dj4monie the "so slightly little differences" are huge to accommodate every use case, they're not consoles with more storage or just thinner versions 🙄
Hi, I really like that you get started with the video without the intro. If I may make a request, when mentioning the display outputs, can you mention what versions they are please and can you mention the speed ratings of the usb ports please thanks for your time.
I've been really struggling with what the best mini gaming pc is as I've seen so many videos displaying the goods and the bads and can't come down to a solid concrete decision. I might need a little assistance here 😭
All of these use the same APU (or at least the same class of APU) so I keep waiting for one of them to do something different. I mean, I guess making it orange kinda counts, but I mean the form factor, the price, something _meaningful_ .
Was idle power consuption measured with or without live wallpaper? Also, Windows tends to run system maintenance as soon as you leave it idle. So, was it running or not during idle power measurement?
One my 2080 machine dies I am getting a mini PC just from the small form. I'm bored of having a massive lump of a PC and honestly I'll just play everything on low settings.
Same u ether need an okulink gpd or the other way he usually does it . Problem is I feel like the small the enclosures get the more expensive they will be .
a lot. more than building your own, but if you like em small, these are the way to go. I Almost got a mini PC to attach to the back of my TV. Then i found a cheaper alternative to doing that.
I think a better solution, due to the universality of these PCs, is that they are delivered exclusively with DP with an adapter (they have different resolutions) from DP to HMDI. Why? Because the conversion from DP to HMDI is easy and simple (DP++), but from HMDI to DP is difficult (the adapter needs to have logic in it).
THIS IS GORGEOUS! Finally someone releasing good orange color computer hardware! Unfortunately I can't afford to buy anything now, but my God I would buy it in a heartbeat if I could. Maxed out and use the frell out of it! Thanks for the review.
I say wait because they will be dropping new ones this year since with Ryzen 8000’s Series and possibly OcuLink as well so you can hook up external Graphic Card to it to Boost Gaming Performance
Any recommendations for a device that could run emulations well and can stream 4k video. I have a projector in my living room I'd love to setup to play party games with everyone in the house
Just waiting for a Mini PC using either "7945HX3D"/"7945HX" with "RX 7900M" (i mean if a Laptop can have a Dedicated Mobile GPU, why can't these Mini PC's?).
I have a 7735HS with 680M and when I installed the AMD driver, I'm getting black flickering screen. I had to revert back to basic window driver in order to stop the flickering. Can't play game on basic window driver. So, I'm kind of scare of getting these type of APU.
7735HS is really a rebranded Ryzen 6000 series... rather than complaining about the RDNA 2 graphics, I'd complain about the Zen 3 CPU cores. If anything, the RDNA 3 graphics are barely relevant on the 780M; the 680M is basically just as fast in almost all games. (I know, I have both here, along with many other systems including Meteor Lake.) Frankly the 7735HS is still a very fast processor and plenty capable for most people, so it really comes down to what the price difference is. Ultimately they probably should have shipped these with soldered RAM so they could use LPDDR5X and hit 6400 MT/s or faster.
@@dj4monieit allows switch emulation at 1.5-2x resolution original fps. Pokemon Arceus and breath of the wild was running smoothly at 1440p 30fps on my overclocked um790 pro that runs a 7940hs. What I’m disappointed in is that the 8000g series of apu will only have 12 cu of Rena 3 so performance will be exactly the same. I was hoping for like 20-28ish on the desktop side. That would allow pretty smooth 60-90 fps 1440p fsr quality or balanced in modern AAA games.
Why don’t you test lower power cpu like the Ryzen 3 or 5 and Intel 3 and 5 cpu mini pcs. They’re more affordable for mini pc. Otherwise you can buy a laptop with those prices.
Personally, playing games at 720P low is a fail. Most of the mini's are just not gamers and maybe in time they will improve, but my paying hundreds of dollars for a machine that can't do better than 720P low isn't going to happen.
@ETA PRIME: I wish on all of your future reviews of mini-PCs to cover how silent or loud these things could get during idle, moderate usage, or full load. 🙏🏻 Nowadays I tend to focus on power efficiency and low noise on mini-PCs rather than just pure power. I've had enough of that on my main gaming rig that draws close to 900w when gaming. Can get pretty loud too 'coz of the fans. Honestly, if someone's aim in getting a PC is gaming, it's best to just save up and get yourself a real gaming PC with a dedicated GPU rather than these mini-PCs with integrated ones. For office work, watching TH-cam videos, and other low demanding tasks... a mini PC with a Ryzen 5560u or 5700u is plenty good enough and it won't break the bank. Don't get any mini-PCs with the Intel N series CPUs such as the N100, N95, N97... yes they can play 4K videos and do office work too but man.. they feel very janky when multi-tasking when you have a lot of windows open. 🫤 On the other hand, if you have to use them as a headless server, or a media server with Netflix transcoding... its ok.
their best one is the one with the most hideous color. 😄...decent PC on the inside though....something that's beginning to grind my gears is the word "utilize"; when did people stop "using" the word "use"?? 🤨
All these mini PC's are getting too "samey" now and not really innovating, Thanks to ETA i got the Minisforum UM780XTX and it plays great... Wondering what the Ryzen 8000 series of mini PC's will bring, let's hope that they'll include something new, maybe even including a discreet separate graphics card..
The hardware looked nice but then the game play value was atrocious and does not preform amazingly. And for the price you can build your own but better. The low resolution with low setting on almost all the games is not worth the money. That Radeon 780M iGPU is not impresive for the money. All these mini pcs for gaming are awful no matter the hardware. Now if you could hook up an external GPU that would make it worth it.
Thanks for spending the time to produce this thorough in-depth review! Cheers!
We will launch Feb 1st on Indiegogo. Wattage will not be limited in the final version.
Will this run Chimera OS nicely?
This is a great Question. I wonder if ETA Prime will test out Chimera...@@steelzepplin2012
@@steelzepplin2012 Yes, it will! we installed it :)
The diversity and numbers of mini PCs are growing as mushrooms - each day new manufacturer and new models...
Keeps the price down as well. Even the lower spec models work well with the majority of what people do with PC's.
@@dj4monie Honestly I prefer to buy an old mini office PC (Lenovo, Dell or HP) with 3400g, i5-6500 or up. For daily tasks plus media center and consoles emulation they are fine.
Yeah I think something under 150$ would be a good alternative to an android box for access to Windows apps.
@@brianbabin6333 this really ought to be better known by now.
More and more mini PC’s featuring the Ryzen 780 iGPU but nearly nothing in the budget/midrange laptop market with these chipsets and no dedicated GPU
according to their page, they are going to limit the power to 65w. I dont like the fact that the unit they gave you goes up to 80w because the performance here will be better than you will get with the actual unit. At 65w I rather get the minisforum XTX with the oculink port and higher wattage
For some reason I'm convinced that house plant can smoothly run AAA games and we are just being held out on
😂😂😂😂😂
Better buy entry level gaming laptop ~$700 to play AAA games.
@@TheNetRiper uhhh no
@@TheNetRiper I'ma buy that house plant so I can play cyberpunk at 4k 120fps
Technical OLED is plant based screen, so yes houseplant is 4k capable
Now we have solid base power it's time for Mini-PC's to shine, definitely a viable upgrade for light/medium users now without making too many compromises. If it can game well it's a very capable computer.
I hope the next chip sets have more than 12cu for the iGPU.
Mini PCs on a Friday . . . perfection! 👍❤
Happy weekend, neighbours and friends.
The shell looks like the beelink style. I have a ser6 max and it runs great. Love these mini pcs
This eveb comes in all the colors the new belink gtrs come in.
You should do a head to head with the ROG Ally and a 780m based mini-PC to see how the performance per-watt metric changes past 30 watts.
Any emulation tests planned by any chance?
How many new mini PC are being made damn
That's what I'm saying. It's so hard to decide lol
All these little small mini Ryzen PC's are really awesome!
Although I would also totally understand if @ETA PRIME is getting a little tired of reviewing them after a while.
They are starting to be the same thing, just ever so slightly little differences.
Still huge thumbs up for providing us with a new video every single freaking day! 👍😎
Hats off for the amount of work you put into this! :)
Mini pc are not consoles
@@Miguel_Noether And your freakin point is?
@@Miguel_Noether consoles?
@@Miguel_Noetherno… they are mini PCs.
@@dj4monie the "so slightly little differences" are huge to accommodate every use case, they're not consoles with more storage or just thinner versions 🙄
Hi, I really like that you get started with the video without the intro. If I may make a request, when mentioning the display outputs, can you mention what versions they are please and can you mention the speed ratings of the usb ports please thanks for your time.
3k views in 40 min....Jesus. congrats 🎉🎉
I've been really struggling with what the best mini gaming pc is as I've seen so many videos displaying the goods and the bads and can't come down to a solid concrete decision. I might need a little assistance here 😭
All of these use the same APU (or at least the same class of APU) so I keep waiting for one of them to do something different. I mean, I guess making it orange kinda counts, but I mean the form factor, the price, something _meaningful_ .
Yeah, how many videos is he going to put out with basically the same thing. I guess people keep watching these videos
At 4:21 are you having the Clint 3d challenge in the screen background I'm curious about it
Can't wait for the 8000 series of these mini desktops.
I'm holding out for the 9000. Should be available in a couple of months, or so.
@@imacmill I'm doing the same. I'm hoping that Akasa will make a passively cooled case for the 9000 series, so I can get silence on my PC.
Mobile Ryzen 8000 Series doesn't really give any performance benefit over Mobile 7000 Series.
It's primarily for better localized AI performance.
same performance as 7000 series, no need to wait for it
There are so many of these Ryzen mini PC’s on the market it is so hard to pick one to buy. Which one has the best CPU and best GPU?
Was idle power consuption measured with or without live wallpaper?
Also, Windows tends to run system maintenance as soon as you leave it idle. So, was it running or not during idle power measurement?
One my 2080 machine dies I am getting a mini PC just from the small form. I'm bored of having a massive lump of a PC and honestly I'll just play everything on low settings.
Id like to see more mini EGPUs, hate how big EGPU enclosures are
Same u ether need an okulink gpd or the other way he usually does it . Problem is I feel like the small the enclosures get the more expensive they will be .
As soon as we can play a new call of duty game at 1080 medium high I'm buying one.
I'm waiting for the soulja boy version
@@derealized797 no one can compete with soulja boy console 😁
I would be curious about the noise
If the price of this is excellent, it'll be an instant buy for me once it launches
What is the price?
@@piotrbiedowicz1602 no idea
a lot. more than building your own, but if you like em small, these are the way to go. I Almost got a mini PC to attach to the back of my TV. Then i found a cheaper alternative to doing that.
@@derealized797 I'm not sure if there is option to build so small mini pc on my own
We launch one Feb 1st on Indiegogo!
7940hs in the thumbnail ...7840hs in the title
how much would love to make it into a vintage gaming PC .
Might want to fix your video title. It says "7840HS" instead of "7940". 😊
I think a better solution, due to the universality of these PCs, is that they are delivered exclusively with DP with an adapter (they have different resolutions) from DP to HMDI.
Why? Because the conversion from DP to HMDI is easy and simple (DP++), but from HMDI to DP is difficult (the adapter needs to have logic in it).
HEY ETA TRY WITH FSR 3 OPEN SOURCE HOPEFULLY U GET MORE FPS IN GAMES :)
The metal shell interferes with the wifi signal just like the gtr mini pcs
Why no prices for this thing yet?
THIS IS GORGEOUS! Finally someone releasing good orange color computer hardware!
Unfortunately I can't afford to buy anything now, but my God I would buy it in a heartbeat if I could. Maxed out and use the frell out of it!
Thanks for the review.
i'm using mini PC now their soooo kool.
8:40 I think your audio balancing got messed up
Millions of expensive boxes, I wonder when they really start competing in prices...
I keep an eye on the prices since 2020 maybe and didn't saw any competition in their prices...
Nice video. Wonderful performance. Eventually there wont be a need for Discreet GPU's.
Their spec list this coming with a 19v 140W PSU, you sure yours is 120W ?
Is this better than GTR 7 Pro from Beelink?
super thank you!
Will this run Chimera OS nicely?
just an fyi...ur cd keys doesnt accept paypal. i know, i just bought a key.
Nice review but is this the best mini PC yet or do you recommend something else?
I say wait because they will be dropping new ones this year since with Ryzen 8000’s Series and possibly OcuLink as well so you can hook up external Graphic Card to it to Boost Gaming Performance
Thanks!
id like aska question can it handle 3d cause im looking for something thats affordable and this looks nice .
no oculink from the box? i think theyll fix the tdp, because if the cooling isnt good enough it will fry the apu in the long run
Hopefully there's a version that has an LP 6500 or 3060 or even an Arc
Any idea on price?
How does it care to other mini pc's?
Can it be paired with gpd g1 would really love to see how well it works
Any recommendations for a device that could run emulations well and can stream 4k video. I have a projector in my living room I'd love to setup to play party games with everyone in the house
what is that device at 00:07 ? in the leftside next to the monitor ?
its a gravastar bluetooth speaker
Why doesn't Herk have a website of its own? That really should be a minimum. 😓
Just waiting for a Mini PC using either "7945HX3D"/"7945HX" with "RX 7900M" (i mean if a Laptop can have a Dedicated Mobile GPU, why can't these Mini PC's?).
Have you seen the rog nuc
They can, but price wise could cost more than normal desktop version.
Just saying, but for a model named as "God Mode", why isn't it using "Wi-Fi 6E" or "Wi-Fi 7", and "Bluetooth 5.3" or "Bluetooth 5.4"?
You can swap out the wifi chip if you so desire.
Great video as always, quick question, can these mini PC's run in a virtual pinball machine with 3 screens?? Thanks in advance 😊
GPU is the bottleneck needs more GPU power to match the CPU performance.
I wanna see a mini pc 7945HX3D
I have a 7735HS with 680M and when I installed the AMD driver, I'm getting black flickering screen. I had to revert back to basic window driver in order to stop the flickering. Can't play game on basic window driver. So, I'm kind of scare of getting these type of APU.
Looks like a nice NUC. BTW: What is that on the left, next to your screen?
It's a Bluetooth speaker
good thing it has two M.2 slots :) ...OCuLink ;)
Wot about FSR 3 ?
It needs an Oculink port or adapter.
7735HS is really a rebranded Ryzen 6000 series... rather than complaining about the RDNA 2 graphics, I'd complain about the Zen 3 CPU cores. If anything, the RDNA 3 graphics are barely relevant on the 780M; the 680M is basically just as fast in almost all games. (I know, I have both here, along with many other systems including Meteor Lake.) Frankly the 7735HS is still a very fast processor and plenty capable for most people, so it really comes down to what the price difference is. Ultimately they probably should have shipped these with soldered RAM so they could use LPDDR5X and hit 6400 MT/s or faster.
no emulation ?
Good to see the review but once again we need to see it compared to other options.
mini pc still have a long way to go especially the price and the igpu
Is the BIOs unlocked?
Sweet!
I find it crazy how Minisforum wasn't able to fit the 780m in their 7745HX or 7945HX. Never glad this company is doing it.
The 7940HS would be amazing for the Atari VCS 2.
You really need that much power for Atari anything?
@@dj4monieit allows switch emulation at 1.5-2x resolution original fps. Pokemon Arceus and breath of the wild was running smoothly at 1440p 30fps on my overclocked um790 pro that runs a 7940hs.
What I’m disappointed in is that the 8000g series of apu will only have 12 cu of Rena 3 so performance will be exactly the same. I was hoping for like 20-28ish on the desktop side. That would allow pretty smooth 60-90 fps 1440p fsr quality or balanced in modern AAA games.
lol. even a rpi 5 would be overkill.
@@brulsmurf actually no at least if you plan GameCube, Xbox, ps3 or newer b olll
@@justacollegestudent5147 We are talking Atari VCS 2.
Why don’t you test lower power cpu like the Ryzen 3 or 5 and Intel 3 and 5 cpu mini pcs. They’re more affordable for mini pc. Otherwise you can buy a laptop with those prices.
with that much space left they can add battery pack to make it portable pc
Brother can you give me your old unbox mini pc please
That sticker on the front looks terrible.
Unfortunately no, AC near the same size and weight as the PC
All AMD systems?
Automatic up vote!!
Such Amd 7000 or 8000 series Mini PCs never come to India.
Right before he quickly closed those 2 stress tests, that cpu was hitting 92c hehe, so itll thermal throttle alright.
Pls normalize high diameter silent fans and airjets instead of whiney mini fans
Personally, playing games at 720P low is a fail. Most of the mini's are just not gamers and maybe in time they will improve, but my paying hundreds of dollars for a machine that can't do better than 720P low isn't going to happen.
Would I be able to add an external gpu and just go crazy with this
Yep
Absolutely
Better build normal PC or buy laptop. Price, size, upgradability, performance will be better.
@@TheNetRiper there are use cases for PCs like this
@@icerink239 Yes, all depends of your needs.
More of th same. 7945HX is where it's at. Also, your title is incorrect. This is a 7940HS, not 7840HS.
The 7945HX is much better for gaming due to its 4x larger L3 Cache. Obviously not needed when used with iGPU only.
At 600$ Minisforum mini PC with arc 730M gpu IS way BETTER THAN THIS it has a rtx 4050 laptop level GPU
@ETA PRIME: I wish on all of your future reviews of mini-PCs to cover how silent or loud these things could get during idle, moderate usage, or full load. 🙏🏻
Nowadays I tend to focus on power efficiency and low noise on mini-PCs rather than just pure power. I've had enough of that on my main gaming rig that draws close to 900w when gaming. Can get pretty loud too 'coz of the fans.
Honestly, if someone's aim in getting a PC is gaming, it's best to just save up and get yourself a real gaming PC with a dedicated GPU rather than these mini-PCs with integrated ones. For office work, watching TH-cam videos, and other low demanding tasks... a mini PC with a Ryzen 5560u or 5700u is plenty good enough and it won't break the bank. Don't get any mini-PCs with the Intel N series CPUs such as the N100, N95, N97... yes they can play 4K videos and do office work too but man.. they feel very janky when multi-tasking when you have a lot of windows open. 🫤 On the other hand, if you have to use them as a headless server, or a media server with Netflix transcoding... its ok.
their best one is the one with the most hideous color. 😄...decent PC on the inside though....something that's beginning to grind my gears is the word "utilize"; when did people stop "using" the word "use"?? 🤨
All these mini PC's are getting too "samey" now and not really innovating, Thanks to ETA i got the Minisforum UM780XTX and it plays great...
Wondering what the Ryzen 8000 series of mini PC's will bring, let's hope that they'll include something new, maybe even including a discreet separate graphics card..
The hardware looked nice but then the game play value was atrocious and does not preform amazingly. And for the price you can build your own but better. The low resolution with low setting on almost all the games is not worth the money. That Radeon 780M iGPU is not impresive for the money. All these mini pcs for gaming are awful no matter the hardware. Now if you could hook up an external GPU that would make it worth it.
These are rebranded Chinese PC's. I wonder how cheap we can get this from the source
720p in 2023
Jay Jagannath
only $77000 australian dollars . hahahaha they cant even work out currencies so HOW can they make a reliable computer?
At this point it's just redundancy.
Just Winbloat and 5.4 GB used for nothing
Day 35 of asking for a PC for my college
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